The right and the left on the ending of the Korean War

There are two views on North Korea that you can find if you look. The easiest to find is the left-media take that nothing happened, and it’s all a well-worn charade. But then there is this, which I will come to first before looking at the other. This is the positive view, taken from Ace of Spades.

The big news this morning is not only has the summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un taken place but as we were sleeping the two signed an historic agreement whereby the North has agreed to scrap its nuclear weapons program as part of an overall denuclearization of the entire Korean peninsula.

If you were merely to look at this only through the lens of how the Democrat-Left-Media complex judges success, via optics and feelings alone, then this is the biggest thing since Live Aid. But in reality, this truly has the potential to be one of the biggest foreign policy milestones since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Make no mistake; North Korea has been a belligerent, inscrutable and unpredictable enemy that has overtly and covertly stirred up trouble for nearly 70 years and so an extreme degree of caution and wariness is advised in any dealings with them; the foibles and follies of the past three administrations in particular bear this out as their policies have ranged from farcical to disastrous in terms of American interests and global security. I believe that PDT and his new team of Pompeo and Bolton know this going in.

Beyond all the platitudes and proclamations, when you get down to the granular level, the make or break in all of this relies on verification. North Korea is going to have to open up and submit to an inspection process that is antithetical to its nature as the world’s most closed, secretive nation. Can it do this? Will it do this? I suppose the fact that Kim’s willingness to meet face to face with an American president for the first time, and outside of his own country is something of a tell. He is the X factor in all of this. There may be things going on in Pyongyang as well as in his mind that tell him a rapprochement with the US, and more importantly, a concomitant distancing to whatever extent that is possible with China is in his and his nation’s best interests.

That is how you have to see it. Since memories of the rockets that were being launched not all that long ago have receded and will never be brought to mind by the media, the fact that we are now looking at a possibility of genuine peace is extraordinary. But here is the other side, brought to you via Bloomberg.

Donald Trump’s historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was unquestionably a success — for Kim.

By credibly threatening the U.S. with nuclear war, he won a one-on-one meeting with the American president — a longtime strategic goal of his family’s regime. And that’s not all.

Trump tossed in a suspension of military exercises with South Korea, while China suggested revisiting economic sanctions that the White House credits for the summit. Meanwhile, the president showered Kim with praise, calling the dictator who leads one of the planet’s most oppressive and brutal regimes “smart” and “very talented,” declaring the meeting “a great honour” and saying he trusts Kim.

Less clear is what the U.S. got in return. American officials said before the meeting they would insist that Kim agree to the “complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantlement” of his nuclear weapons arsenal. The phrase appears nowhere in Trump and Kim’s statement.

Also missing: basics such as a timetable for Kim to give up his weapons, verification procedures or even a mutual definition of denuclearization. . . .

So far, Trump hasn’t shown he’ll avoid the same trap he’s accused his predecessors of falling into: giving North Korea too much without getting anything in return. While the president repeatedly described the document he and Kim signed as “comprehensive,” at 426 words it is anything but — and there is no indication of when or how Kim will follow through on any of his promises.

Fair enough, but the mingy dogs of the left will never say a good word about something done that benefits even their worthless hides, if it is done by someone whose approval they refuse to grant. But we shall see. These are all issues, but with Trump, Bolton and Pompeo on the watch, there is genuine reasons to hope for the best.

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78 Responses to The right and the left on the ending of the Korean War

  1. BorisG

    Fair enough, but the mingy dogs of the left will never say a good word about something done that benefits even their worthless hides, if it is done by someone whose approval they refuse to grant. But we shall see.

    Actually CNN run a piece n praise of trump when he proposed a meeting with Kim.

    I actually support many policies of Trump such as embassy in Jerusalem, Iran deal, tax cut, pipeline, opening areas for exploration, paris accord etc. but maybe I am not leftie after all (what leftie would support Israel?)

    These are all issues, but with Trump, Bolton and Pompeo on the watch, there is genuine reasons to hope for the best.

  2. BorisG

    These are all issues, but with Trump, Bolton and Pompeo on the watch, there is genuine reasons to hope for the best.

    I do not share that hope. Trump is only interested in the show, Bolton advocates regime change and promotes it at every opportunity, while Pompeo… who knows what he is thinking?

    However I do hope that Bolton will make sure that trump is not able to sell a failure as a success. Bolton can call BS pretty quickly.

  3. Malcolm Thomas

    Fair enough….

    Precisely.

  4. Gary K

    It is claimed to know what President. Trump and Bolton think; but, not Pompeo?

    Either you can read all minds; or, you can read none.

  5. Spring is coming

    We know how the MSM coverage would have gone down if BOB had of done the deal. The audacity to actually do something.

    It’s an extraordinary step forward and as PDT points out there is a lot of work ahead.

    This first step is a lot more positive than I thought would occur. I still don’t trust Kimbo.

  6. Gary

    Evan for the most sceptical, nervous and cautious hope for success will be met with demands from the fifth column socks that the sky is falling. I don’t need the stress.

  7. It’s amazing, even with Australian media (readings from this morning), how negative spin has to be put on everything to do with this meeting. The Left simply can’t accept that even if thing don’t fully work out as hoped, the fact that this has happened at all should be a reason to be positive.

  8. Rohan

    One of the interesting aspects of this MOU is Trump offereing the Norks protection against agression from other countries.

    So is Kim concerned Xi is a current or future threat for not towing the Beijing line?

    I note almost none of the MSM have picked up on that. The TDS runs deep.

  9. Lutz

    And of course Obama negotiating away the kitchen sink in Iran with a regime just as oppressive with nothing in return was hailed as a gigantic success.

  10. Texas Jack

    I suspect we will eventually find that CNN and WaPo and the NY Times and De Niro and the rest of Hollywood will be by far the greatest electoral assets in Trump’s corner in his campaign for a second term. They’ve comprehensively undermined their own credibility in ways we could hardly have imagined possible and are so massively invested in the never-Trump narrative they’ll never be able to pull out of their credibility stall.

  11. Entropy

    Yes, trump has only to not fail to better their expectations. And I admit, mine. That said, if he ends four years building on what has been achieved so far, he won’t get praise from the DeNiros and Grubers of the world, just bitter, spiteful enmity.

  12. Death Giraffe

    The dirty trumpophobes are totally unaware at this point how completely over the top and silly their routine is to the rest of us.
    The traitors in the press conference were asking questions deliberately premised to try to get Trump to say something, anything that could erode the progress made.
    “Do you see Kim as an equal”. That one is engineered to give Trump the choice between offending Kim and derailing talks, or opening himself up to the accusation of supporting a brutal regime. We aren’t stupid. We can see what you are doing.
    Endless attempts at gotchas.
    Far, far beyond reasonable skepticism, and into sabotage.
    Really, you guys? You really are willing to risk millions of lives, including your own, just to fuck things up for Trump?

  13. struth

    Really, you guys? You really are willing to risk millions of lives, including your own, just to fuck things up for Trump?

    Without a second thought………….or a first for that matter.

  14. calli

    DG, “millions of other lives” don’t matter. If they felt any real threat to their own, the tune would change faster than the vinyl on a Wurlitzer.

    “Peace is always worth the effort” – Trump

    Amen to that.

  15. Roger

    One of the interesting aspects of this MOU is Trump offereing the Norks protection against agression from other countries.

    So is Kim concerned Xi is a current or future threat for not towing the Beijing line?

    The U.S. will not go to war with China over N.K..

  16. stackja

    DT ‘club in the air not swinging’

  17. JohnL

    Either you can read all minds; or, you can read none.

    BorisG can read but can’t comprehend. You need to have a functioning brain to be able to comprehend.

  18. Roger

    This first step is a lot more positive than I thought would occur. I still don’t trust Kimbo.

    There is at present no reason to trust him – the destruction of the nuclear test site which had already partially collapsed was theatre for the press and probably ordered by the Chinese. This is a big gamble that we should all hope pays off, but for now Trump has given Kim respectability and the prospect of rehabilitation with only promises in return. I imagine Trump is hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.

  19. Diogenes

    Trump has given Kim respectability and the prospect of rehabilitation with only promises in return. I imagine Trump is hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.

    But the sanctions remain. If Kim does not perform they will not be lifted.

  20. Roger

    But the sanctions remain.

    Yes, but I note China has already raised the prospect of at least partial relief for N.K. in the wake of the summit as a reward.

  21. Entropy

    Yes Diogenes. Even if NK is lying about the disarmament part, the difference between this agreement and Clinton’s negotiated by former president Carter is the sanctions remain in place and the US isn’t paying $4billion in Danegeld.

  22. Mother Lode

    Donald Trump’s historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was unquestionably a success — for Kim.

    By credibly threatening the U.S. with nuclear war, he won a one-on-one meeting with the American president — a longtime strategic goal of his family’s regime. And that’s not all.

    The Norks have been extorting things out of the US for years – money, food, you name it. A meeting with the President is worth less to them than currency – they can take currency and spend it. If anything, Trump gave up less. Sending an underling to hand over a billion dollars is not really a masterstroke.

    The optics don’t even count since the Nork press will always be able to write whatever flowing testimony to Kim’s greatness they wanted. If they had no story about him meeting Trump they would have had a fiction about tricking the South Koreans, or raising the bark ration from 4 grams to 3 grams. Point is his people would not have missed the story.

    As for stopping wargames – do they really think Trump would not re-instate them at once if the Norks misbehave?

    This is what establishment pollies and the MSM don’t get – signing a deal is not the end, it is the beginning.

  23. Tel

    One of the interesting aspects of this MOU is Trump offereing the Norks protection against agression from other countries.

    If Trump can arrange things to move US troops out of South Korea and set up a new US base in North Korea as a “protection service”, and do all that without anyone getting killed… that would be damn impressive.

  24. manalive

    After Stalin and Ribbentrop signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact Stalin dampened the bonhomie in characteristic fashion by remarking: ‘for many years we have been pouring buckets of shit over each other’s heads … and now all of a sudden we are to make our people believe that all is forgotten and forgiven?’.
    In this case the propaganda problem is more in one-sided.

  25. It is progress that Kates is acknowledging the truth of the matter, which is that Trump lost this round bigly.

    It should be noted that the Korean War is still going, technically, so the headline is #fakenews.

  26. Mother Lode

    The other prog dodge is claiming that it was a failure because Human Rights are not part of the deal.

    You have to get all or nothing. And since Kim was not offering all, then they would get nothing. Never a problem before – all those times the West knuckled under and North Korea kept up its abuses. Why change?

    Well, if the Norks have access to more food as a result of this, the population’s condition will improve. I expect the North won’t change until it can interact and deal with other nations.

    And, unlike the establishment, Trump would realise that the important thing is to make the deal beneficial to both sides – make both of them want to cooperate. That will keep the deal alive.

    Previously the deals have been to give the Norks what they want with conditions for future behavior. But there was no reason for the Norks to stick with the deal. They had what they wanted. And they knew breaking the deal carried no penalty. So they carried on in their merry way.

    There is hope that this is different because this political ‘amateur’ (but deal-making professional) is different.

  27. Jo Smyth

    The Doomsayers and Media can say what they like. The Deplorables are still winning and loving every minute of the exploding heads.

  28. egg_

    Have the resident trolls varied from the first day’s Leftard talking points:

    – Kim is an untrustworthy monster whom we shouldn’t make deals with
    – There are too many concessions already and we haven’t even started
    – Bubba beat Trump to it, anyway

  29. Norman Church

    The tribalists amongst us – with their fanatical Obama worship and their unhinged hatred of Howard/Bush/Abbott/Trump – baffle me. I simply cannot understand the mindset.

  30. BorisG

    One of the interesting aspects of this MOU is Trump offereing the Norks protection against agression from other countries.

    So is Kim concerned Xi is a current or future threat for not towing the Beijing line?

    I note almost none of the MSM have picked up on that. The

    I heard it on ABC radio loud and clear. But Kim knows that they gave security guarantees to the Ukraine. That turned out very well for the Ukraine… oh wait.

  31. Leo G

    While the president repeatedly described the document he and Kim signed as “comprehensive,” at 426 words it is anything but …

    Noteworthy that the journalist is unaware a comprehensive summary is one with large scope but few words.

  32. egg_

    Day 2 Leftard talking point addendum:

    – Kim is an untrustworthy monster whom we shouldn’t make deals with
    – There are too many concessions already and we haven’t even started
    – Bubba beat Trump to it, anyway
    #4 Does Kim trust the US/West?

  33. Norman Church:

    The tribalists amongst us – with their fanatical Obama worship and their unhinged hatred of Howard/Bush/Abbott/Trump – baffle me. I simply cannot understand the mindset.

    Norman it is actually fairly easy to understand the mindset.
    Someone has taken their favourite dolly, and won’t give it back.
    So all the toys are being launched out of the cot.
    And I mean that honestly.

  34. stackja

    Khrushchev met JFK in Vienna, the Berlin Wall soon followed.

  35. Iampeter

    the fact that we are now looking at a possibility of genuine peace is extraordinary.

    The only thing that is “extraordinary” is that you wrote this sentence in all seriousness. I don’t remember you being this stupid when Obama was doing something similar in Iran. I guess you would’ve supported Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlaine approaches of cowardly appeasment of evil regimes too.

  36. Felix Kruell

    Try to think of what Trump would have to say if Obama had come up with this vaguely worded “Agreement”? Actually we don’t have to. We can just look at how Trump described the Iran deal, which had far more meat on the bone and similar issues with verification. “Worst deal” in history is what he called it…

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    I guess you would’ve supported Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlaine approaches of cowardly appeasment of evil regimes too.

    Look if you want to fight a war go join up.
    Plenty of women in the Army these days.
    You’ll love it.

  38. struth

    The left here are like two old ladies after a pub meal.
    That food was terrible Muriel.
    Yes, it certainly was Doris, and there wasn’t enough of it either.

  39. mh

    Kim appears to not want NK to remain the ‘hermit kingdom’. Encouraging his vision of something better for NK seems to be a problem for the Left.

    Quite what Kim’s vision is we don’t know. What we do know is that serious players like Mike Pompeo met with Kim, and they may have a better understanding than us.

  40. classical_hero

    Boris, there’s a new boss in charge that actually does what he says, unlike the previous boss.

  41. classical_hero

    It’s fun watching the left loose their minds. They are so short sighted.

  42. Felix Kruell

    Boris, there’s a new boss in charge that actually does what he says, unlike the previous boss.

    Does what he says?? He changes what he says on a close to daily basis. I guess some of them turn out to be right.

  43. Norman Church

    I have not studied the details of the respective deals closely but, from what has been described, there appear to be key differences between the Iran and NK deals in terms of verification, accountability and the point in time at which benefits are secured by the rogue regime in question.

    If that is so, there appears to be no genuine difficulty in criticising the Iran deal and supporting the NK deal at the same time.

  44. Mitchell Porter

    This was also practice for a summit with Putin on de-escalating the new cold war.

  45. struth

    Does what he says?? He changes what he says on a close to daily basis. I guess some of them turn out to be right.

    Take a break Felix, you’re not well.
    You don’t have TDS as bad as some, but the signs and symptoms are obvious.

  46. Tel

    Boris, there’s a new boss in charge that actually does what he says, unlike the previous boss.

    Mexico hasn’t paid for that wall yet.

  47. Leo G

    Boris, there’s a new boss in charge that actually does what he says, unlike the previous boss.

    Yes. It’s undoubtedly anxiety about new boss that has seen Kim appear so earnest in accommodating the concerns of the new US administration. Kim’s concern is that a chapter of the Chinese Dream has changed, and he can no longer rely on Xi’s support to maintain his position.

  48. Jannie

    The media will slag off Trump no matter what the outcome. The one truth however is that fat Kim is not trustworthy. Trump may have sung his praises to make Kim feel good, but I doubt very much that he actually trusts him.

  49. tgs

    Not surprised by the incredibly vague wording of the agreement.

    I think it’s still too early to judge whether this will result in meaningful change (positive or negative) but I think that geopolitical realpolitik is on balance against any genuine rapproachment between the US and NK.

    They simply have no convincing reason to give up their nukes after they’ve seen what security guarantees from the West amounted to for Libya and Ukraine. What could they get in return that would provide them with a security guarantee anywhere close to what the possession of nuclear weapons does?

    Besides, it still isn’t clear that there is any common understanding of what “denuclearisation” even means.

    I doubt this will result in a favourable outcome for the West, I hope to be proven wrong but don’t expect to be.

  50. tgs

    Having said that I think the commentary that claims Trump has made a foreign policy blunder is overblown. The US hasn’t really given up anything that can’t be immediately reversed so it remains to be seen what happens next.

    Interesting times.

  51. Roger

    The US hasn’t really given up anything that can’t be immediately reversed so it remains to be seen what happens next.

    I’d say they’ve lost some trust from the South Koreans over the cancellation of joint military exercises without warning or consultation. If Kim does not intend to follow through with his commitments but is buying time, that benefits him (and China) as his longer term goal is to decouple the South from its US alliance.

  52. Makka

    Mexico hasn’t paid for that wall yet.

    14 months Tel. That’s how long he’s been in office. NAFTA is now on the table and in play. Maybe people just need a little more patience before mouthing off.

  53. Death Giraffe

    If Kim does not intend to follow through with his commitments but is buying time, that benefits him (and China) as his longer term goal is to decouple the South from its US alliance.

    ..
    Yeah, nah.

  54. Makka

    The media will slag off Trump no matter what the outcome. The one truth however is that fat Kim is not trustworthy. Trump may have sung his praises to make Kim feel good, but I doubt very much that he actually trusts him.

    The whole Kim/Trump event has to be viewed through the perspective of NK being a very closely controlled proxy of China and should be seen as a phase in trade negotiations between the US and China.

    In that respect, Trump has secured from China a great concession, one that has been a huge problem for the west for many decades. What looks apparent is that NK will give up it’s ability to deploy nukes, the Koran War will end, normalization between the Koreas will occur ( unification is a LONG way away), US preparedness in Sth Korea will be massively scaled down ditto Japan AND it’s clear Trump has the upper hand in trade negotiations with Xi. These are all very possible outcomes.

    The media rely on their audiences not to think. Many in the audience oblige.

  55. struth

    You may not have noticed, but the testing of Nukes has stopped.
    Trump has firstly “shirtfronted ” rocketboy, and

    then

    laid down the law.

    This meeting was only to give the world a reprieve from having to deal with NK militarily, as threatened.

    Take the last few months into consideration and the overall history before selectively cherry picking to sooth the TDS headache yyou must have trying to pick the shit out of something that wasn’t done before.
    And that happened before the summit.
    People without TDS blindness can see this clearly.
    Little Kim has shit his daks, cried don’t kill me Mr Trump,……I roolyy just want to go to Disneyland.

    This meeting was the culmination of the last few months and a way to let Kim join the world and go to Disneyland to see Mickey Mouse and Goofy, and the rest of us to live without nuclear war.
    The greatness of Trump was in what he did BEFOE this meeting and then giving his victim a way out that not only saved face but saved possibly millions of lives, and could bring millions of North Koreans out of blinding, horrific poverty.
    But keep poo poo ing it as your TDS requires.

  56. egg_

    it’s clear Trump has the upper hand in trade negotiations with Xi.

    A point that the MSM is skirting around.

  57. classical_hero

    Tel, you need to be more patient.

  58. Macspee

    Well, for a start, Kim might have made noises with his nuclear bombs but probably wet his pants when DT reminded him that if he tried anything he would be met with the full power of the US. DT the did the right thing and said now you know the state of play isn’t it time to sit back, relax and think about your country’s future.
    Then giving nothing away but saving a lot of money for now at any rate, postpones military and naval exercises. Kim agree to give in and DT gives nothing except “if you are a good boy we will help bring you and your people into the world”.
    Watching the exploding heads around the world is great fun.

  59. Felix Kruell

    Norman:

    there appear to be key differences between the Iran and NK deals in terms of verification, accountability and the point in time at which benefits are secured by the rogue regime in question.

    The statement includes nothing on verification or accountability. Zip. So how on earth are you concluding they are better than the Iran deal that does include those details?

  60. Sean

    At least he eyeballed him face to face. It was a master and a young kid, so lol at the idea he could easily pull the wool over Trumps eyes. Trumps empire is built on deal making. If he was totally hopeless he wouldn’t be sitting where he is today.

    He might break his word after due to internal pressures though.

  61. Norman Church

    Felix Kruell – I am basing my conclusion on remarks attributed to President Trump to the effect that verification processes had been discussed during his meeting with President Kim, and that Kim understood it would involve accepting large numbers of US and international personnel into the DRK.

  62. Empire 5:5

    The media rely on their audiences not to think. Many in the audience oblige.

    Eloquent, but too kind.

    The media produces propaganda and most people willingly believe it to be record of fact. Deception and fake narrative are uncritically consumed according to trusted brand.

    Then people lament that politicians, journalists, unionists, fat cats and corporate directors brazenly lie to them.

    And so it goes.

  63. Felix Kruell

    Norman:

    So it’s not in the agreement, and you’re relying on trumps comments (a well known exaggerator).

    Look at what he actually said:

    Yes, we did. It will be verified. We will be verifying.

    >> How will that be achieved?

    >> It will be achieved by having a lot of people there. As we develop a certain trust. We think we have done that. Secretary Pompeo has been really doing a fantastic job. His staff and everybody. As we do that, we will have a lot of people there and working with them. This is complete denuclearization of North Korea’s — it will be verified.

    That’s enough comfort for you that verification will be better than under the Iran deal, that included specific verification rights in the agreement? Especially since this was a key sticking point in enforcing the four(!!) previous agreements by North Korea to disarm?

  64. cohenite

    That’s enough comfort for you that verification will be better than under the Iran deal, that included specific verification rights in the agreement? Especially since this was a key sticking point in enforcing the four(!!) previous agreements by North Korea to disarm?

    What is it with the fucking iran deal numbnuts. Trump is not obuma. Lefties have to find equivalence to substantiate their hate.

  65. JC

    What is it with the fucking iran deal numbnuts.

    Albert, try and not abuse people as it’s really not that sort of blog. Calm down and act nice.

  66. cohenite

    ‘sup head prefect.

  67. Empire 5:5

    Then people lament that politicians, journalists, unionists, fat cats and corporate directors brazenly lie to them.

    How rude of me. I forgot the entertainers.

    The stars.

  68. BorisG

    Boris, there’s a new boss in charge that actually does what he says, unlike the previous boss.

    LOL. Laughing so hard is dangerous.

  69. BorisG

    The US hasn’t really given up anything that can’t be immediately reversed so it remains to be seen what happens next.

    True, except the incredible opportunity to appear on equal footing with the leader of the free world, and boosting his prestige at home and in the region immensely.

    I am sure he wouldn’t have been given that opportunity in a thousand years had he not have nukes.

  70. BorisG

    And of course Obama negotiating away the kitchen sink in Iran with a regime just as oppressive with nothing in return was hailed as a gigantic success.

    In my book, both are bad. How does this help?

  71. BorisG

    Albert, try and not abuse people as it’s really not that sort of blog.

    but what else he can do if he has no coherent argument?

  72. Norman Church

    Felix – yes it is. I have little doubt that robust verification processes will be built into the final agreement.

    Based on what the Mullahs got upfront and the lack of accountability in the Iran agreement, the NK agreement would have to be dire to end up worse.

  73. MPH

    Honestly I don’t think there are any nuclear facilities left to verify the destruction of. KJU was allowed to relinquish something he had already been relieved of to save face.

    A thought struck me today that maybe NK nuclear weapon program was actually China’s program but outsourced for appearances. Also interesting is how Trump now refers to Chairman Kim, a pretty blatant dig at the Chinese who are the only other nation to refer to their leader as Chairman.

  74. hzhousewife

    A thought struck me today that maybe NK nuclear weapon program was actually China’s program but outsourced for appearances.

    Not unlikely at all. The collapse of that mountain last November was the forbear of current events. Lets see how the Chinese behave ongoing.

  75. Felix Kruell

    Based on what the Mullahs got upfront and the lack of accountability in the Iran agreement, the NK agreement would have to be dire to end up worse.

    Your bias is showing. We have seen the totality of the trump / Kim agreement. It contains no verification language at all, let alone any details. It is that dire. They may negotiate some in future talks, but for now there is less comfort on verification than the previous deals with North Korea, let alone Iran. If anyone else other than Trump had negotiated this deal, you’d see it too.

  76. Zatara

    “Do you see Kim as an equal”. That one is engineered to give Trump the choice between offending Kim and derailing talks, or opening himself up to the accusation of supporting a brutal regime. We aren’t stupid. We can see what you are doing.
    Endless attempts at gotchas.
    Far, far beyond reasonable skepticism, and into sabotage.

    Anyone else notice that the people asking the gotcha questions were all native English speakers?

    The Asian press were respectful and asked real questions that their people care about. They understand what journalism instead of activism is.

    Like “who’s paying for this?” and “You two have talked, but have any other nations been consulted?”

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