Wednesday Forum: June 13, 2018

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  1. Death Giraffe

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    …realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!
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    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received to many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t…
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  2. lotocoti

    The rules of conduct, the maxims of action, and the tactical instincts that serve to gain small victories may always be expanded into the winning of great ones with suitable opportunity; because in human affairs the sources of success are ever to be found in the fountains of quick resolve and swift stroke; and it seems to be a law inflexible and inexorable that he who will not risk cannot win.
    John Paul Jones.

  3. Death Giraffe

    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received to many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t…
    …realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!
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  4. Gab

    As long as the media keeps trashing Trump we’ll know he’s on the right track.

  5. Baldrick

    It says a lot when a Totalitarian Communist despot is more willing to negotiate with Fatty Trump than the U.S. Leftard Democrats.

  6. Wake up Punchy!

    How can you not like Trump?

  7. OldOzzie

    JUDITH SLOAN
    Queensland budget: Jackie Trad doesn’t have a clue

    Queensland Treasurer and Deputy Premier Jackie Trad knows as much about economics as I know about astrophysics.

    But what she lacks in economic expertise — at least, the bloke she ousted had half a clue — she more than makes up for with hypocrisy.

    She gets an A+ for her double standards: she is more than happy to spend the surging royalties from mining in her state (more than $800 million in additional royalties over the forward estimates), while actively white-anting the Adani coal project and bagging the resources industry more generally.

    “We can’t just be a quarry”, she declares. Oh please.

    And does anyone remember Annastacia Palaszczuk’s pledge to pay down government debt when Labor ran for office against Campbell Newman? She even had a name for it: the Debt Action Plan.

    Well, the Debt Action Plan is going so well that public-sector debt will soar by $13 billion, or nearly 20 per cent, over the next four years.

    There is absolutely no chance that Queensland will regain its AAA credit rating, lost by a Labor government in 2009. Indeed, there is a good chance the state could be marked down a notch or two in the future.

    But Jackie has things to do, like half-build a replicated rail line to the Sunshine Coast and construct new classrooms because she claims that Queensland’s population is growing very quickly, which it isn’t — just check out Victoria, Jackie.

    But the main aim of the budget, apart from putting the citizens of Queensland further into debt (and to a much greater extent than the other states, with the exception of Western Australia) is to recruit more Labor voters by bolstering the size of the unionised public service.

    More teachers, more nurses, more midwives, more ambos, more media advisers — just where would we be without the latter?

    Take a look at the growth of employee expenses, a key parameter when it comes to assessing any state government budget. Last year, the Queensland government expected employee expenses to be at least $400m below what it now expects.

    By 2020-21, the gap between what was projected in last year’s budget and this year’s is close to $1bn.

    Unable to escape its runaway spending on public servants, it is at least conceded in this year’s budget papers that “the average growth in employee expenses over the five years to 2021-22 is 4.5 per cent per annum, reflecting growth in full-time equivalents (FTEs) and the government’s wages policy”.

    But let’s consider just how Jackie, the premier-in-waiting, can get away with this profligacy. There is only one reason — the surging flow of cash from minerals royalties; mainly coal, but also LNG.

    She must hope that the stand-off between rail operator Aurizon and the coal companies doesn’t lead to lower coal production and hence lower royalties.

    Mind you, this is what happens when you make an inappropriate political appointment to a state regulatory body.

    Expect to hear Comrade Trad bang on about her government creating jobs, while forecasting unemployment to remain at 6 per cent over the next four years and higher again in the regions.

    She has also stated that she would rather put the state even further into the red to build infrastructure of dubious worth than repair the budget. I told you she doesn’t know anything about economics.

  8. Speedbox

    Easy to tell the Left from the Right this morning as various individuals offer their “opinion” of the Trump/Kim meeting.

    The Left are almost begging for the deal to fail. (If Obama had done what Trump has done, Obama would have been a lock for the Nobel prize every year for the next decade). But I think this meeting and the consequent outcome could be as significant as Reagan’s “tear down this wall” speech – which coincidentally also occured on June 12th (1987).

    Sure, Kim could pull back but the West (Trump) has lost nothing. The sanctions remain and the screws are turned tighter. China will not save NK as the blowback risks from the US and other western nations in terms of trade (read: money) is substantial. Plus, too many big US/China or China/rest-of-the-world issues.

    Meanwhile, US employment figures show 220,000 new jobs for May with an unemployment rate now seen since 1969. Remember 1969? The Vietnam War was full on and the Beatles were still singing together.

  9. Bruce in WA

    Mornin’ all.

    Slides in early, covered in grass stains and lipstick and reeking of Bombay Blue Sapphire and Chanel No. 5.

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Bill Shorten pledges to ensure WA’s share of GST never falls below 70 per cent

    The Australian
    7:56AM June 13, 2018
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    Rachel Baxendale
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rachelbaxendale

    Bill Shorten has promised to ensure Western Australia’s share of the GST never falls below 70 per cent should he win government, without changing the current funding formula.

    Western Australia currently gets 47 cents for every dollar of GST it collects, up from 34 cents last year, under the Commonwealth Grants Commission formula currently being reviewed by the Productivity Commission.

    Campaigning in the West ahead of by-elections in Perth and Fremantle, Mr Shorten said Labor recognised that WA hadn’t been getting a “fair share” of GST funding.

    “That’s why we announced the Fair Share for WA Fund last year — to directly address the shortfall,” the Labor leader said.

    “Malcolm Turnbull and WA Liberals have taken Western Australia for granted — saying one thing out West, and another in other states and territories.

    “Turnbull has broken his promise to deliver a floor, instead giving only token payments worth only 3 cents in the dollar on a year by year basis with no certainty around future funding.”

    Mr Shorten said Labor’s “Fair Share for WA” fund would give WA at total of $2bn in funding from 2019-20 to 2022-23, exempt from Commonwealth Grants Commission assessments.

    From the Oz. Does this mean the mendicant States will have their share of the G.S.T. reduced? I won’t hold my breath!

  11. johanna

    TheirABC just can’t get the Trump/Hitler meme out of its collective ‘head.’ It seems to be the only historical reference point they have ever heard of.

    For a bit of variety, this morning one of the deranged and bewildered ones flocking around the water cooler compared Trump to – Neville Chamberlain!

    Echoes of Adolf Hitler meeting in 1938

    It was a revealing moment, but it also brought to mind another meeting between a Western leader and another strongman, this one from Germany, that took place 80 years ago.
    YouTube: Chamberlain peace in our time

    In September, 1938, British prime minister Neville Chamberlain travelled to Munich, along with French prime minister Eduard Daladier and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, to meet with Adolf Hitler.

    The meeting resulted in an agreement that allowed Germany to annex a portion of Czechoslovakia, after Germany had reclaimed the Rhineland and took control of Austria. It was clear that Germany would take control of the German-speaking Sudetenland by force, unless European leaders would get out of his way.

    Chamberlain agreed, thinking that war had been avoided. And in one of the biggest miscalculations in history, he told a crowd in front of Buckingham Palace: “I believe it is peace in our time.”

    Yep, Trump apparently gave carte blanche for Kim to invade a few neighbouring territories yesterday. Who knew?

  12. Snoopy

    But the main aim of the budget, apart from putting the citizens of Queensland further into debt (and to a much greater extent than the other states, with the exception of Western Australia) is to recruit more Labor voters by bolstering the size of the unionised public service.

    Of at least equal import is avalanche infrastructure projects to provide work for Trad’s besties in the CFMEU. Just watch the budget on those beauties blow out.

  13. Snoopy

    From the Oz. Does this mean the mendicant States will have their share of the G.S.T. reduced? I won’t hold my breath!

    Look, I’m sure our tenacious journalists will be hounding Bill non-stop to reveal the losers before the Super Saturday by-elections.

  14. Speedbox

    I heard a person on radio this morning saying that it could take up to ten years for all of the NK nuclear bombs to be dismantled. I don’t know if that is true but my simple brain says that the physical dismantling must (presumably) have stages and at some point, the weapon is irreversably compromised. In other words the actual dismantling would continue but the weapon is f*cked, as a weapon.

    Any Cats able to shed light on the subject of dismantling nuclear weapons?

  15. H B Bear

    The CFMEU are the most successful criminal organisation in Australia. I guess it helps if you are in government in two States.

  16. Death Giraffe

    I feel that Bobby DeNiro deep, deep down has a longing to be loved by Trump.
    Trump plays it perfectly with some good- natured fatherly banter, a verbal cuff or two.
    Poor old Punchy will be troubled by some disturbing and conflicting emotions right now.

  17. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Slides in early, covered in grass stains and lipstick and reeking of Bombay Blue Sapphire and Chanel No. 5.

    Here’s a story waiting to come out

  18. Bruce in WA

    NSW govt plans new online gambling tax

    The NSW government is set to announce a 10 per cent tax on all online bets in next week’s budget, with the racing industry due to benefit from the proceeds.

    Online gamblers in NSW will be slugged a 10 per cent tax on every bet they place in a new measure to be announced in next week’s state budget.

    The Berejiklian government could rake in about $100 million a year from the levy due to be imposed from January 1.

    About two per cent – or $40 million – of the revenue raised will be set aside for the racing industry, The Australian reported on Wednesday.

    “Following an extensive consultation period with stakeholders, this decision will resolve the disconnect between the jurisdiction where gambling activity occurs and where it is taxed,” Treasurer Dominic Perrottet said.

    “The introduction of a point of consumption tax is an important step to ensure that we are levelling the playing field given the wagering tax paid by onsite operators.”

    The tax, which will affect digital bookmakers like Ladbrokes and Sportsbet, is similar to other measures planned by three other state governments.

    In Victoria the tax will be eight per cent and in Queensland and South Australia, 15 per cent.

    Western Australia and Tasmania are expected to follow in the coming months.

    Any bets on when Lotto winnings will also attract a “tax”?

  19. Zatara

    Speedbox as I understand the situation it’s not that the nukes themselves take so long to be dismantled. That’s the easy part.

    It’s the process/production line used to create the fissionable material for them that takes time to completely disassemble. However, after the first 25% or so it’s not feasible to reverse the disarming process.

    That’s my understanding of what the “experts” were saying last night so happy to be corrected if anyone knows more.

  20. Bruce in WA

    Slides in early, covered in grass stains and lipstick and reeking of Bombay Blue Sapphire and Chanel No. 5.

    Of course, the above may or may not contain any factual material.

  21. Speedbox

    Hey Joanna/I’ll match their ABC Chamberlain reference with a Reagan reference that is more historically relevant.

    On this day in 1987, in one of his most famous Cold War speeches, President Ronald Reagan challenges Soviet Leader Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down” the Berlin Wall, a symbol of the repressive Communist era in a divided Germany.

    In 1945, following Germany’s defeat in World War II, the nation’s capital, Berlin, was divided into four sections, with the Americans, British and French controlling the western region and the Soviets gaining power in the eastern region.

    With the wall as a backdrop, President Reagan declared to a West Berlin crowd in 1987, “There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace.” He then called upon his Soviet counterpart: “Secretary General Gorbachev, if you seek peace–if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe–if you seek liberalization: come here, to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.”

    Reagan then went on to ask Gorbachev to undertake serious arms reduction talks with the United States.

    Most listeners at the time viewed Reagan’s speech as a dramatic appeal to Gorbachev to renew negotiations on nuclear arms reductions. It was also a reminder that despite the Soviet leader’s public statements about a new relationship with the West, the U.S. wanted to see action taken to lessen Cold War tensions.

    Happily for Berliners, though, the speech also foreshadowed events to come: Two years later, on November 9, 1989, joyful East and West Germans did break down the infamous barrier between East and West Berlin. Germany was officially reunited on October 3, 1990.

  22. Snoopy

    Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report is to be released on Trump’s birthday, this Thursday US time.

    It hasn’t been a good week for the poo blogger.

    And it’s about to get a whole lot worse!

    Sad.

  23. Snoopy

    Some of Trump’s foes are being exposed this week. No more hiding under Mueller’s skirts, Monty

  24. Farmer Gez

    Our diplomatic guru, Julie Bishop, has declared that it will take years to disarm NK and the talks were scant on detail.
    Should be wrapped up by Christmas then.

  25. Zyconoclast

    Elon Musk sacks thousands of workers, Tesla stocks jump to 3-month high

    Tesla cuts thousands of jobs
    Even shares in Tesla jumped 3.2 per cent to a three-month high of $US342.77 — after its chief executive Elon Musk announced the company would slash thousands of jobs, or 9 per cent of its workforce.
    The electric car maker is trying to cut costs and become profitable, without endangering the production ramp-up for its Model 3 sedans.
    These job losses will mainly be in salaried positions, which leaves factory workers, who are paid by the hour, safe from this round of job cuts.
    In a staff-wide email, Mr Musk said the cuts were part of a simplification of Tesla’s management structure, which he previously flagged in May.

    “As part of this effort, and the need to reduce costs and become profitable, we have made the difficult decision to let go of approximately 9 per cent of our colleagues across the company,” Mr Musk wrote.
    Tesla said it began notifying affected workers on Tuesday and would continue to do so throughout the week.
    A spokesman said it would reduce overall employment back to around 37,000 — roughly in line with numbers at the end of last year.
    The company has been trying to hit a 5,000 per week production target of its Model 3 sedans after facing initial production hiccups.
    Last week, Mr Musk said the carmaker should achieve its target by the end of June.
    Tesla has been burning through cash as it continues to spend on its assembly line and prepares for new investments on projects such as the Model Y crossover and its Gigafactory.
    Several Wall Street analysts anticipate a capital raising this year — despite Mr Musk’s previous statements that it will not be necessary due to profitability and positive cash flow in the third or fourth quarters.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-13/elon-musk-sacks-9pc-tesla-staff-wall-st-trump-kim-summit/9863178

  26. Zyconoclast

    A Great Summation by Martin Brundle for Cat Petrol Heads

    Martin Brundle reflects on the Canadian GP and what we can expect from the rest of 2018

    Thanks

  27. C.L.

    The Assistant Inspector-­General of the Defence Force, reservist Major General Paul Brereton …

    Who is a veteran of the Knox Grammar Cadet Corps.

  28. C.L.

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received too many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!

    Ahahahahahaha.

  29. Dr Fred Lenin

    Di Niro should feel honoured , the greatest US president has bestowed a nickname on him that he will carry till he dies”, PUNCHY” ! What an honour ! Now everyone who sees him will think “here’s “PUNCHY”.
    Must be one of the best Put Downs I have heard . PUNCHY DI NIRO ,sounds good .

  30. Snoopy

    Our diplomatic guru, Julie Bishop, has declared that it will take years to disarm NK and the talks were scant on detail.
    Should be wrapped up by Christmas then.

    Spare a thought for Julie. Every day sees her dreams of a lucrative post politics sinecure with the Clinton Foundation steadily fading away.

    Cheer up Julie, there’s still the prospect of volunteer prison visitor in play.

  31. Zyconoclast

    The Assistant Inspector-­General of the Defence Force, reservist Major General Paul Brereton …

    Who is a veteran of the Knox Grammar Cadet Corps

    He may have had to fight off a child molester.

  32. Mother Lode

    Punchy is such a great nickname.

    Not only does it mean you remember all his great roles were as a thug, but also how humiliating a decline he has been in since.

    I really hope it sticks.

  33. BorisG

    The US opens an unofficial embassy in Taiwan. I support Trump on this. Great move. Chinese are protesting. Great!

  34. lotocoti

    Any Cats able to shed light on the subject of dismantling nuclear weapons?

    The most permanent and environmentally friendly way is to cook them off.
    I believe Pantex just removes the fusing bits and stores the rest.

  35. Peter Castieau

    Bill Shorten pledges to ensure WA’s share of GST never falls below 70 per cent

    https://twitter.com/PeterCastieau/status/1006659501951471626

  36. Bruce in WA

    ABfuckingC … again:

    Singapore summit echoes Hitler-Chamberlain meeting in 1938, but offering ‘lots of great condos’ in our time

    Four days after he took office, US President Donald Trump made good on a campaign pledge and withdrew the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

    He had derided the painstakingly negotiated 12-nation treaty as a “potential disaster for our country” because of the harm it would do to manufacturing jobs.

    But now, in his meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, Mr Trump has set off on what may become a new type of Trans-Pacific Partnership, this time under his own terms.

    Only this one will tie the United States to a Communist country with which it was at war six decades ago, and also possibly open the door to more ties to another Communist country, China, with which the US only re-established relations under another Republican president, Richard M Nixon, in 1972.

    Mr Trump’s audacity is still reverberating in political circles in the United States and elsewhere. But he was perhaps unintentionally clear in at least one of his aims for the detente with North Korea.

    Although it was ostensibly portrayed as an effort to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons, Mr Trump unveiled another goal in a news conference after the meeting in Singapore.

    “As an example, they have great beaches,” Mr Trump mused. “You see that whenever they’re exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, ‘Boy, look at that view. Wouldn’t that make a great condo.'”

    He went on, “You could have the best hotels in the world right there. Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It’s great.”

    RTWT … if your stomach is strong enough.

  37. Baldrick

    Fatty Trump keeping those lefty heads exploding:

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    The World has taken a big step back from potential Nuclear catastrophe! No more rocket launches, nuclear testing or research! The hostages are back home with their families. Thank you to Chairman Kim, our day together was historic!
    10:27am · 13 Jun 2018

  38. Mother Lode

    Our diplomatic guru, Julie Bishop, has declared that it will take years to disarm NK and the talks were scant on detail.

    She is a professional politician trained as a lawyer.

    The webbing of her brain would be physically incapable of forming any synapses at all of it being different.

    In fact, as a politician and lawyer, the thought of all the meetings, conferences, memoranda, byzantine texts, clarifications, requests for clarifications, requests for clarifications of requests for clarifications etc…she was likely speaking with sincere approving.

    In fact, the only question would be how to ensure that discussions about North Korean nukes are held in Paris, Milan, Cancun etc.

  39. egg_

    It says a lot when a Totalitarian Communist despot is more willing to negotiate with Fatty Trump than the U.S. Leftard Democrats.

    Kim, Phatty, Rodman and Kanye to release a music video: Gangnam Gangsta Style?

  40. Natural Instinct

    As our ABC scours the world to find “expert commentators” ready to reinforce their anti-Trump narrative

    a. nothing happened (Zoe Daniels etc)
    b. something happened but can’t trust these erratic leaders (thank you to the 730 report)
    c. nothing happened on human rights, so no good (ABC news radio regurgitating Democrats)
    d. something happened, but early days (our foreign minister)
    e. nothing happened on inspections, so no good (more disgruntled Republicans)
    etc, etc.

    .
    I am left to ponder the big questions in life , as opposed to thermo nuclear war.
    .
    Now slime is very popular among the young people. I have bought bought black oil slime, unicorn poo and now mermaid rainbow poo.
    The question I am struggling to answer is:
    Dad, how do mermaids do a poo, because they have a tail you know. Like where does it come out?

  41. Tel

    Dad, how do mermaids do a poo, because they have a tail you know. Like where does it come out?

    Kiddie, there’s this saying, “Tighter than a fish’s a-hole” … and you need to remember that when you meet a mermaid, or a banker.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Zyconoclast

    #2735841, posted on June 13, 2018 at 10:05 am

    Elon Musk sacks thousands of workers, Tesla stocks jump to 3-month high

    Tesla cuts thousands of jobs
    Even shares in Tesla jumped 3.2 per cent to a three-month high of $US342.77 — after its chief executive Elon Musk announced the company would slash thousands of jobs, or 9 per cent of its workforce.
    The electric car maker is trying to cut costs and become profitable, without endangering the production ramp-up for its Model 3 sedans.
    These job losses will mainly be in salaried positions, which leaves factory workers, who are paid by the hour, safe from this round of job cuts.

    OK.
    Musk-rat has unloaded 9% of his workforce, but all from salaried positions – none from the shop floor.
    WTF?
    How many salaried hangers on did he start with if he can unload 9% of his entire workforce from the white-collars with no detrimental impact.
    Sounds like Musk-rat needs to ditch the “dreamers” and appoint some hard-arses.

  43. stackja

    Bruce in WA
    #2735857, posted on June 13, 2018 at 10:28 am
    ABfuckingC … again:

    Singapore summit echoes Hitler-Chamberlain meeting in 1938, but offering ‘lots of great condos’ in our time

    Khrushchev met JFK in Vienna, the Berlin Wall soon followed.

  44. lotocoti

    with which it was at war six decades ago

    “So what?” Asks Germany, Japan and Italy.

  45. egg_

    Khrushchev met JFK in Vienna, the Berlin Wall soon followed.

    Sly grog tycoons make bad diplomats?

  46. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #2735860, posted on June 13, 2018 at 10:31 am

    Secretary and Deputy Secretaries
    Secretary, Frances Adamson
    Frances Adamson was appointed Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on 22 July 2016. She took up the position in Canberra on 25 August 2016.

    Prior to her appointment as Secretary, Ms Adamson was International Adviser to the Australian Prime Minister the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP from November 2015.

  47. Tel

    How many salaried hangers on did he start with if he can unload 9% of his entire workforce from the white-collars with no detrimental impact.

    Tesla has mostly been a public relations exercise from day one, so you would have advertising staff, marketing department, probably a few social media managers, professional thought leaders, various government liaison teams, a jingle writer, couple of graphic artists, voice-over man, all of those would have office support staff, someone to make the perfect latte is also important.

  48. stackja

    egg_
    #2735871, posted on June 13, 2018 at 10:52 am
    Khrushchev met JFK in Vienna, the Berlin Wall soon followed.

    Sly grog tycoons make bad diplomats?

    And JFK advisers?

    Kenneth Patrick O’Donnell[1] (March 4, 1924 – September 9, 1977) was an American political consultant and the special assistant and appointments secretary to President John F. Kennedy from 1961 until Kennedy’s assassination in November 1963. O’Donnell was a close friend of President Kennedy and his younger brother Robert F. Kennedy, and was part of the group of Kennedy’s close advisers dubbed the “Irish Mafia.”

    In the years following the assassinations of President Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, O’Donnell grew increasingly depressed and began drinking heavily. His depression and alcoholism were exacerbated by the failure of his own political career.[7]

    Assessments
    Praise
    In his biography With Kennedy (1966), Pierre Salinger writes:

    It was my impression that O’Donnell had the greatest influence in shaping the President’s most important decisions. He was able to set aside his own prejudices against individuals and his own ideological commitments (I would rate him a moderate Democrat) and appraise the alternatives with total objectivity. It was impossible to categorize O’Donnell, as White House observers did with other staff members, as either a “hawk” or a “dove” on foreign policy, or a Stevenson liberal or Truman conservative on civil rights. JFK gave extra weight to O’Donnell’s opinions because he knew he had no personal cause to argue. Ken had only one criterion: Will this action help or hurt the President? And that, for O’Donnell, was another way of asking: Will it help or hurt the country?

    Criticism
    In his autobiography Counselor, Ted Sorensen, who served as special counsel to President Kennedy, claimed that O’Donnell polarized the JFK staff until it became two factions: the professional “politicians” and the academics (such as Sorensen and Arthur Schlesinger). Sorensen also wrote that O’Donnell’s antipathy towards him was so deep that in 1976/77 he worked to derail Sorensen’s nomination as Director of Central Intelligence for Jimmy Carter.[citation needed]

  49. Stimpson J. Cat

    “As part of this effort, and the need to reduce costs and become profitable, we have made the difficult decision to let go of approximately 9 per cent of our colleagues across the company,” Mr Musk wrote.

    The taxpayers money is running out kids.
    Time to diversify and move into more lucrative revenue streams like flamethrowers.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Tesla has mostly been a public relations exercise from day one, so you would have advertising staff, marketing department, probably a few social media managers, professional thought leaders, various government liaison teams, a jingle writer, couple of graphic artists, voice-over man, all of those would have office support staff, someone to make the perfect latte is also important.

    You left out …
    – inclusion and diversity managers;
    – corporate social responsibility managers;
    – yoga instructors;
    – colour consultants;
    – feng shui advisors;
    – sustainability analysts;
    – office ergonomists;
    – focus group facilitators to ask randomly selected members of the public if Elon was totally awesome or merely fabulous.

  51. thefrollickingmole

    johanna

    Beat me to it with that one.
    Jaw dropping stuff from their ABC, playing Chamberlain and his “Peace in our time” speech.

    Never mind Chamberlain was dealing with facts on the ground, which were the UK had badly misread the world situation for a decade before Munich and was in no condition to fight a war.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2013/09/neville_chamberlain_was_right_to_cede_czechoslovakia_to_adolf_hitler_seventy.html

    But among historians, that view changed in the late 1950s, when the British government began making Chamberlain-era records available to researchers. “The result of this was the discovery of all sorts of factors that narrowed the options of the British government in general and narrowed the options of Neville Chamberlain in particular,” explains David Dutton, a British historian who wrote a recent biography of the prime minister. “The evidence was so overwhelming,” he says, that many historians came to believe that Chamberlain “couldn’t do anything other than what he did” at Munich.


    If war had broken out over the Czechoslovak crisis, Britain would only have been able to send two divisions to the continent—and ill-equipped divisions, at that. Between 1919 and March 1932, Britain had based its military planning on a “10-year rule,” which assumed Britain would face no major war in the next decade. Rearmament only began in 1934—and only on a limited basis. The British army, as it existed in September 1938, was simply not intended for continental warfare. Nor was the rearmament of the Navy or the Royal Air Force complete. British naval rearmament had recommenced in 1936 as part of a five-year program. And although Hitler’s Luftwaffe had repeatedly doubled in size in the late 1930s, it wasn’t until April 1938 that the British government decided that its air force could purchase as many aircraft as could be produced.

  52. Diogenes

    Question for the military Cats…
    What is the real name for the march “we’re a pack of bastards, bastards are we” ?

  53. egg_

    Echoes of Adolf Hitler meeting in 1938

    Has Aunty reached peak hyperbowl, yet?

  54. Speedbox

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received too many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!

    Didn’t De Niro know what was about to happen in Singapore? Considering the geo-political issues that have surrounded NK for decades, it is an exceptionally historic outcome that Trump was able to get Kim to the negotiating table at all.

    But for some, it is blind tribal devotion to the Left regardless of the good, or harm, their comments may cause.

    Just a few days ago on HBO, Bill Maher said on his show ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’ that he hopes that the US economy crashes to get rid of Trump.

    “I think one way you get rid of Trump is crashing the economy. So, please bring on a recession. Sorry if that hurts people”. Maher has a personal net worth in the tens of millions.

    Sorry if that hurts people. Really? FMD. Millions of jobs lost, homes repossessed, family breakups, increased suicides……. but its ok because Bill Maher is sorry – although insulated because of his wealth.

    The Left’s hatred of Trump is beyond any rationality. Bill Maher, for example, would throw his fellow citizens under the proverbial bus to dislodge a President who was democratically elected. On the old thread, some Cats would recall my post of yesterday about a verbal exchange I had with a feminazi who thought Trump should be killed. These people are deranged.

  55. thefrollickingmole

    This is possibly the most vile thing you will read all year.

    Ill post the excerpt, then see if you can guess what the gruinaid sees as the likely “problem” from this.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/12/islamo-hooligan-medine-bataclan-extremists

    Since the attack on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo three years ago, the debate about censorship and the limits of freedom of speech has rumbled on in France. It took a new turn this week with the revelation that the controversial rapper Médine will perform two shows in October at the Bataclan concert hall, where gunmen killed 90 people on 13 November 2015.

    The 35-year French-Algerian Muslim, who describes himself as an “Islamo-racaille” (which can be loosely translated as “Islamo-hooligan”), is known for his provocative songs about Islam and France’s brand of secularism (laïcité). The controversy stems from his 2005 album Jihad, the Greatest Battle Is Against Oneself, which includes calls to “crucify secularists like in Golgotha” and statements such as: “I launch fatwas on the heads of idiots”.

    What the Bataclan was thinking when it took the decision to allow him to perform at the venue is open to question. From a PR perspective, it is an astonishingly foolish move. It has already angered the families of several of the victims, with two lawyers representing them threatening to take legal action to get the shows cancelled.

    So to sum up a self professed Jihadi rapper is booking the Bataclan theater where 3 self professed jihadis slaughtered dozens of people for a concert.

    What is the pressing problem the bain dead slug fellating beagle buggering bull molesters on the left see as the problem?

    Oh and as a reminder of the theaters capitulation.
    All legal questions aside, the Bataclan has no obligation to host Médine. Its management previously turned away Eagles of the Death Metal – the band playing on the night of the 2015 attack – from its reopening concert, after lead singer Jesse Hughes suggested the venue’s Muslim staff were involved in the massacre.

  56. stackja

    Diogenes
    #2735881, posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:17 am

    Google search:

    We,re a pack of bastards, bastards are we, we are from 3 RAR the A–seholes of the Royal Australian Infantry…..that song go,s back to the occupation force in Japan, when 67bn AIF became 3RAR.

    Subject: RE: Cadence or Marching Songs
    From: Rowan
    Date: 22 Oct 07 – 11:37 PM

    Sung by various Oz infantry in WWI (and featuring in “Oh what a lovely war”) to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic;

    One staff officer jumped right over another staff officer’s back
    then the second staff officer jumped right over the first staff officer’s back;
    a third staff office jumped right over the second staff officer’s back
    then the fourth staff officer jumped right over’ll the other staff officers’ backs.
    cho
    They were only playing leap frog
    they were only playing leap frog
    they were only playing leap frog
    when the last staff officer jumped right over’ll the other staff officers’ backs.

    And, sung in MUR in 1963 and other Oz units before (no doubt) and since;
    We’re a pack of bastards, bastards are we.
    We’re from Australia, the arsehole of the world and all the universe, oh
    we’re a pack of bastards, bastards are we.
    We’d rather f**k than fight, for liberty!

    While I don’t know the name of the tune for the latter (and I’ve never known it to have any other words, let alone polite ones), I noticed it was used by a military band not long ago during a public ceremony sending some Oz troops to Iraq; sensitivities must have become dulled.

    Cheers, Rowan

  57. Boambee John

    Speedbox at 0945

    Any Cats able to shed light on the subject of dismantling nuclear weapons?

    Remove the fissile core, remove the HE and its detonators?

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Only this one will tie the United States to a Communist country with which it was at war six decades ago, and also possibly open the door to more ties to another Communist country, China, with which the US only re-established relations under another Republican president, Richard M Nixon, in 1972.

    I could re-write that paragraph about nearly any country I liked with a few slight amendments …
    Replace “six decades” with “seven decades” and “Communist” with either “Nazi”, “Fascist” or “Imperialist” and you’ve got Germany, Japan and Italy covered for starters.
    Imagine if Trump had said “I am not negotiating with someone we were at war with in the 1950’s”.
    Their ABC serving up re-heated dog vomit again.

  59. OldOzzie

    Julian Burnside says Australia worst in the West for asylum-seekers = Rachel Baxendale

    Human Rights lawyer Julian Burnside says Australia treats asylum seekers worse than any other Western country, and could learn from Jordan, which is “doing it best”.

    Promoting his documentary Border Politics — which shows him travelling the world investigating Western countries’ treatment of refugees and features commentary from former human rights commissioner Gillian Triggs — Mr Burnside said his overarching point that was refugees who end up in Australia are human beings and they should be treated properly.

    “It’s ultimately, I think, a question of what sort of people we are,” Mr Burnside told ABC radio.

    “We get a very tiny number of boat people turning up in Australia, until we started pushing them off to Manus and Nauru, and the question is well, if someone falls at your feet asking for help do you kick them in the head or do you treat them decently.”

    Mr Burnside said he had been impressed during a visit to the Zaatari refugee camp on Jordan’s border with Syria.

    “I think what I took away from it is that compared to other Western countries Australia is probably doing it worse than anyone else, and the country that struck me as doing it best was Jordan which has not even signed the refugees convention, but they seem to be honouring the spirit of it in a way that we aren’t,” he said.

    “Jordan has very challenging geography, with Israel on the west and Iraq on the east and Syria on the north.

    “Depending on what’s happening in world politics they get a lot of people simply walking across the border asking for help, and when I was there they had about a million Syrian refugees living in the community, allowed to work, people who’ve simply walked into Jordan saying ‘please help us’, and of course it’s part of the Middle Eastern spirit of hospitality that you don’t turn people away when they come like that.

    “Now compare that with Australia’s position. In Australia I think the largest number of boat people who ever arrived in Australia was 25,000 in one year, and yet our response to them was one of unrestrained hostility and aggression. It’s quite astonishing.”

    Asked whether Australia had a different view of sovereignty to countries with land borders given our island status, Mr Burnside said that had been the “pitch, politically”.

    “The notions of sovereignty were injected largely by politicians. I don’t think the average man in the street in Australia wanders around thinking about sovereignty,” he said.

    “In fact the interesting thing is that if you wander around Australia and speak to ordinary people, whatever their initial view about boat people is, once they meet a refugee they are willing to treat them as human beings. It’s really, really interesting to see that. A lot of the people who are hostile to refugees in Australia have never actually met one.”

    Mr Burnside said he was disappointed that attitudes towards refugees in Europe were hardening as the scale of people trying to cross the continent’s borders grew

    “It’s disappointing that attitudes have shifted in Europe, because many European countries have done extremely well,” he said.

    “People are often saying there’s more refugees now than since the end of the Second World War.

    “Well the population of the world is three times greater than it was at the end of the Second World War. We coped then. We can probably cope now.

    Mr Burnside claimed the pattern of boat arrivals in Australia was linked to global refugee movements, making no mention of Labor’s reversal of former prime minister John Howard’s border policy, which saw 50,000 people arrive on 800 boats and 1200 drowned at sea.

    “Australians get terribly excited because boat people start arriving, and if you look at the pattern of arrival of boat people it tracks in parallel with global refugee movements,” Mr Burnside said.

    “It’s a tiny, tiny percentage, but when the numbers increase it is because the number of people on the move has increased.”

    Mr Burnside conceded that part of the change in attitudes in Europe had been caused by the fact that economic migrants, as well as refugees, had been trying to move there.

    “I don’t know what the actual numbers are, but yes I believe that part of the shift in attitudes has been because they’re not just helping people who are fleeing persecution, they’re helping people who are simply moving on, and I can understand that attitude,” Mr Burnside said.

    “Famously, notoriously, at the end of 2001, John Howard went to the polls under the mantra, ‘we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come’.

    “Now if that’s an expression of migration policy, it’s impeccable. If it’s an expression of refugee policy it’s completely wrong, and I think that the Europeans understand that distinction fairly well.

    “Now if I can illustrate that with the domestic instance, I can say, ‘I will decide who comes to my house and the circumstance in which they come’, and that would be fair enough, and if I’m sick of having visitors and I say, ‘I don’t want any visitors until Thursday week’, that would also be fair enough. A little unfriendly, but it’s fair enough.

    “Now what happens if the next morning a little kid comes to the door and says, ‘please help me, there’s a man with a knife chasing me’. I could say, ‘come back on Thursday week’. I’d be within my rights to do that, but it would be unthinkable.

    “What you do, is you bring her in, sit her down, check her story, and if she’s telling the truth protect her, and if she’s not telling the truth send her away, send her back home.

    “Now that’s refugee policy, and especially since the end of the Second World War, when the world collectively decided that it was not right that the movement of people in trouble should be borne by adjacent countries, that’s when we all agreed that we would share the burden.”

    Mr Burnside said Australia had “turned its back” on the idea of sharing the burden.

    “The way we treat our refugees, if only people knew, if only Australians generally knew the way refugees, boat people are treated in Australia, they’d be horrified,” he said.

    “We spend vast amounts of money making their lives miserable, and all of this is explicitly as a deterrent so they will not come looking for protection from persecution.”

    In 2015-16 Australia accepted 17,555 refugees.

    We accept more refugees per capita through the office of the UNHCR than any other country in the world and the UNHCR has praised our resettlement program as one of the best in the world.

    However, fewer than one per cent of the world’s 60 million refugees are handled through the UNHCR resettlement program..

    From the Comments

    How many boat people do Burnside and Triggs have staying with them in their homes ?

    If we treat these people so badly why are they queuing up to come here? Let them go to Jordan, most of them will fit in much better there.

    – How can Julian claim that we get a tiny number when human traffickers tried to land 50,000 in several years on our shores? We take close to 20,000 each year, Burnside fails to recognise that the orderly conduct and management of our borders is essential.

    – Japan? The other, probably more pertinent question that needs to be asked, in the context of refugee intakes is what are the wealthy middle eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia, The Emirates, Bahrain and Qatar doing?

    – Burnside will never have to deal with the consequences of immigration – he should shut up!
    It has wrecked Britain and now is wrecking Europe – Australia is not far behind.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2013/09/neville_chamberlain_was_right_to_cede_czechoslovakia_to_adolf_hitler_seventy.html

    An interesting link, indeed, tfm, thank you.

    FWIW, I think it was Alan “Tommy” Lasalles, Principal Private Secretary to the King, who noted in his diary that “The Dominions wouldn’t have fought in 1938.”

  61. Diogenes

    Stackja,
    I know the words, I am trying to identify the tune. We have a few reservists at work who have never heard of it. I do not want to sing it them, trying to find a band version.

  62. Top Ender

    it could take up to ten years for all of the NK nuclear bombs to be dismantled.

    Take the trigger mechanism off any nuclear weapon, and pound it into bits, is a good start.

    Then remove the ability of the country to get hold of weapons-grade fissile material could come next.

    NK’s ability to use nukes is somewhat confused by the fact your average journo seems to not know what they are talking about.

    NK has NEVER demonstrated the ability to get a nuclear bomb to a target. They have the ability to fire rockets at targets, and likely get them there.

    Putting a nuclear weapon on the end of a rocket, firing it successfully, getting it to the target, and having the nuclear weapon detonate within effective range, eg: ground zero, is something they have NEVER done.

  63. Diogenes

    “The notions of sovereignty were injected largely by politicians. I don’t think the average man in the street in Australia wanders around thinking about sovereignty,” he said.

    I am sure he will not mind me wandering into his palatial digs, and setting up in his bedroom then

  64. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2735889, posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:27 am

    Usual ABC history lacking.

  65. stackja

    Flightradar24

    Verified account

    @flightradar24
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Just as happened on the way to Singapore, B-2447 changed call sign near Beijing. It will continue to Pyongyang as CCA121.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA121/11b4529e

    B-2445 looks to be stopping in Beijing. https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA063/11b3a2c4

  66. JC

    He’s hysterically funny.

    C.L.
    #2735845, posted on June 13, 2018 at 10:10 am

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received too many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!

    Ahahahahahaha.

  67. stackja

    Diogenes
    #2735894, posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:33 am
    Stackja,
    I know the words, I am trying to identify the tune. We have a few reservists at work who have never heard of it. I do not want to sing it them, trying to find a band version.

    Sung by various Oz infantry in WWI (and featuring in “Oh what a lovely war”) to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic;

    One sheet music linky

  68. Mother Lode

    Julian Burnside says Australia worst in the West for asylum-seekers

    What an irrelevant twerp he has become.

    I don’t mean he has become merely a twerp, but that times have moved on and he has been reduced to barking in the wilderness.

    A one trick pony left behind when the circus moved on.

    His only hope is not that people rally around the cause of country shoppers, but that one of the political parties is sufficiently duplicitous to lie about keeping the borders secure until they get in.

    Right, Kevin?

  69. Pedro the Ignorant

    What is the real name for the march “we’re a pack of bastards, bastards are we” ?

    It is Our Director.

  70. struth

    Burnside has an agenda.
    it can’t be more obvious.
    He is a traitor to the west and in times past would have been put up against a wall and shot.

  71. Mother Lode

    Mr Burnside said his overarching point that was refugees who end up in Australia are human beings and they should be treated properly.

    Yeah, it is not their fault that they end up ringing on the Australian doorbell.

    Anybody leaving Iran would naturally fall toward Australia.

  72. C.L.

    Hey Julian, the ocean called; they’re running out of “asylum seekers.”

  73. stackja

    Burnside was admitted as a barrister of the Supreme Court of Victoria in 1976, and appointed a Queen’s Counsel in 1989. His work has always focused primarily on commercial law.

    He has appeared in many significant commercial cases, in particular take-over cases and trade practices.

  74. Boambee John

    “What you do, is you bring her in, sit her down, check her story, and if she’s telling the truth protect her, and if she’s not telling the truth send her away, send her back home.

    JB, QC, AO and his ilk are willing to spend any amount of OPM making sure that none are sent back home.

    See AAT et al.

  75. Pedro the Ignorant

    Our Director is the Regimental March of the Third Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (3RAR).

    My Uncle harry was in 3RAR in Korea and taught me the filthy version of the march when I was but a wee little sprog.

  76. struth

    To pass through a safe country to a country of choice immediately disqualifies you from refugee status.
    After that you are an illegal queue jumping invader.

  77. Bad Samaritan

    I don’t read ABC articles, so can someone tell me what the alleged similarities between the Chamberlain/Daladier/Mussolini/Hitler meeting and the Trump/Kim meeting are?

    Also…..is it Kim or Trump playing the Hitler role? Thanks.

  78. stackja

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #2735911, posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:51 am
    Our Director is the Regimental March of the Third Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (3RAR).

    My Uncle harry was in 3RAR in Korea and taught me the filthy version of the march when I was but a wee little sprog.

    Sheet music image linky

  79. Senile Old Guy

    To pass through a safe country to a country of choice immediately disqualifies you from refugee status. After that you are an illegal queue jumping invader.

    Exactly. There is no international law enabling people to move to a country of their choice. People are required to seek asylum in the first country they reach where it is safe to do so.

  80. stackja

    Bad Samaritan
    #2735914, posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:55 am
    I don’t read ABC articles, so can someone tell me what the alleged similarities between the Chamberlain/Daladier/Mussolini/Hitler meeting and the Trump/Kim meeting are?

    Also…..is it Kim or Trump playing the Hitler role? Thanks.

    My guess, ABC says DT is Hitler.

  81. Snoopy

    Human Rights lawyer Julian Burnside says Australia treats asylum seekers worse than any other Western country,

    Spread the word, Julian. Make sure everyone knows. Thanks.

  82. Death Giraffe

    The left don’t get it.
    Trump has set himself up for months and months of good stuff.
    The return of the war dead.
    Reciprocal visits to each other’s capitals.
    Dismantling of weapons.
    Maybe he hasn’t used trade with China as leverage to solve North Korea.
    Just maybe he has solved North Korea and can leverage that in trade.
    Better start playing nice boys. Soon we might have access to the whole Korean peninsula.

  83. Bad Samaritan

    stackja (11.58am) If that’s the case it makes no sense whatsoever since the implication would be that Kim’s been dudded like Chamberlain was dudded by Adolf. Or else that the US will soon be invading Nth Korea like Hitler was soon invading France and then trying it on with Britain. On the other hand…..

    If it’s KIm who’s Hitler then it also makes no sense since Kim is the far weaker easily-defeated one like France/England would’ve been in 1938 or so.

    I really can’t make head nor tail of the comparison.

  84. stackja

    Bad Samaritan
    #2735923, posted on June 13, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    ABC being nonsensical, as usual.

  85. calli

    Jaw dropping stuff from their ABC, playing Chamberlain and his “Peace in our time” speech.

    Chuckle. I must be prescient or sumpin. Made a tongue in cheek reference to Chamberlain and his little piece of paper yesterday.

    Who’d have thought the original, highly paid minds at the ABC would latch onto it? 🙂

  86. jupes

    This is what surrender looks like:

    ~In Britain, Southwark Cathedral has marked the first anniversary of the London Bridge jihad killings by hosting a …oh, c’mon, you can guess:

    Later in the day, Southwark Cathedral will host its second Grand Iftar which, this year, will also mark the anniversary of the London Bridge attacks and will bring all communities together to celebrate Ramadan, to promote resilience and to share the common values of hope, peace and unity and celebrate the diversity of those who live and work in the Bankside area.

    From Steyn.

  87. Stimpson J. Cat

    Wake up Punchy!

    So here you have the awesome spectacle of witnessing one of Hollywoods greatest tough guys for decades having his image completely destroyed in a single tweet.
    Honestly we are just lucky to have him folks.

  88. Mother Lode

    “The notions of sovereignty were injected largely by politicians. I don’t think the average man in the street in Australia wanders around thinking about sovereignty,” he said.

    I don’t generally think about hoping I don’t starve because I don’t ever go hungry. There is no reason.

    I don’t think about being attacked by a leopard, about being crushed by a meteor, or the building I am in collapsing. Remote possibilities.

    We don’t think about things until they become more proximate.

    No one though about sovereignty when it was enforced. They noticed when it wasn’t.

    It was one of the only times our politicians have shown any insight as to how people think, and they were very reluctant to admit it at that because it meant change and committing to an opinion.

    Every day I go into the cities now and see peace-bollards. We didn’t go looking for things to worry about, Julian – they intruded themselves.

    With your help.

  89. struth

    Think about this, senor’es anda senoritas
    You are a country that (we are told) has terrible domestic violence issues.

    Apparently this is a good enough reason to claim asylum in the states.
    Trump’s trying to stop this.
    You could have all claimed domestic violence abuse once your holiday to Disneyland was over and just stayed.

    except of course, you are white and western so , well, you’d be laughed at

    Adios………………………..

  90. Slayer of Memes

    Judge rules Mueller must identify unnamed individuals in Manafort indictment

    A federal judge ruled Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller must identify the unnamed individuals in his recent superseding indictment of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

    Mueller last week indicted Manafort and his former aide, Konstantin Kilimnik, on a series of charges related to lobbying work on behalf of Ukraine.

    The indictment accused Manafort and Kilimnik of obstructing justice by attempting to tamper with witnesses in the investigation.

    Judge Amy Berman Jackson ordered Mueller to turn over the names of several individuals and organizations, including European politicians and other Manafort contacts, to Manafort’s attorneys, according to court documents and reports by Politico.

    The New York Times reported last week that two veteran journalists told Mueller that Manafort attempted to contact them and tried to shape their testimony. Three Times sources identified the journalists as Alan Friedman and Eckart Sager. Mueller’s indictment did not name the witnesses that Manafort and Kilimnik allegedly contacted.

    Jackson’s ruling comes in response to a motion from Manafort’s team seeking more information on the superseding indictment.

    Jackson wrote that Mueller turning over the information will help Manafort prepare for a “complex” trial, which is expected in September.

    “[The] defendant is obliged to prepare for a complex trial with a voluminous record within a relatively short period of time, and he should not have to be surprised at a later point by the addition of a new name or allegation,” she wrote.

    Manafort has also been indicted on multiple charges related to financial crimes and is expected to go to trial next month. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

  91. thefrollickingmole

    jupes
    See up above, in France the Bataclan theater which was the site of jihadi slaughter is going to host a concert by a self professed jihadi rapper.

    Not too long before the stupid times turn back into the burning times i fear.

  92. Atoms for Peace

    On the one hand we have the left denigrating the values of Western civilization but on the other,demanding things of the West because of those values?

  93. Mother Lode

    To pass through a safe country to a country of choice immediately disqualifies you from refugee status.

    The typical rebuttal to that is to argue that some countries don’t give them special treatment, don’t enrol them as citizens, that they can’t get lucrative jobs* etc.

    They have had to create new rights so all the safe countries are actually persecuting them too.

    Of course, our experience is that they are not after lucrative jobs, but lucrative welfare.

  94. calli

    Punchy was just playing to the audience. He isn’t a particularly brave man, just a silly, sicophantic one.

    Amusing that Judy knocked him flying using a little blue bird.

  95. Zatara

    “The notions of sovereignty were injected largely by politicians. I don’t think the average man in the street in Australia wanders around thinking about sovereignty,” he said.

    I don’t think you asked the average man in the street in 1942.

  96. thefrollickingmole

    Hows the hotline going since the Korean visit?

    The US president seemed to identify with Kim Jong-un’s backstory, taking over the family business at a young age

    Trump has damaged these people beyond hope.
    Room 101 awaits.

  97. Slayer of Memes

    Jaw dropping stuff from their ABC, playing Chamberlain and his “Peace in our time” speech.

    Chuckle. I must be prescient or sumpin. Made a tongue in cheek reference to Chamberlain and his little piece of paper yesterday.
    Who’d have thought the original, highly paid minds at the ABC would latch onto it? 🙂

    Made a similar reference in the NK thread last night too, calli… and mUnty jumped all over it using the very same talking points the ABC is using now…

    The memo must have gone out around 11pm last night methinks

  98. struth

    Now stand in front of a bunch of Marines and say the same thing, De Niro.

    You’re a piece of yellow, art world, thespian crap.
    FOAD

  99. jupes

    More from Steyn:

    “How serious a threat to Europe is the rapid population growth of Muslims?” Those who thought it a very or somewhat serious threat:

    Belgium 72 per cent;

    Netherlands 71 per cent;

    Germany 70 per cent;

    France 68 per cent;

    United Kingdom 63 per cent.

    When a policy concern of 65 to 70 per cent of the people is regarded as unmentionable by all mainstream parties, you have a crisis of democracy.

  100. Top Ender

    can someone tell me what the alleged similarities between the Chamberlain/Daladier/Mussolini/Hitler meeting and the Trump/Kim meeting are?

    Similarities:
    – both meetings involved getting there by aircraft by most of the participants
    – all, well most, participants were sexually aggressive

    Differences:
    – moustaches in the 1930s one; none in the present one
    – interesting nightlife in the first meeting; boring in the second.

    You’re welcome.

  101. struth

    WTF would Burnside know about the man in the street?

  102. Turnip

    You left out …
    – inclusion and diversity managers;
    – corporate social responsibility managers;
    – yoga instructors;
    – colour consultants;
    – feng shui advisors;
    – sustainability analysts;
    – office ergonomists;
    – focus group facilitators to ask randomly selected members of the public if Elon was totally awesome or merely fabulous.

    This sounds like the entire HR dept of any Qld State Givt dept.

  103. struth

    “How serious a threat to Europe is the rapid population growth of Muslims?” Those who thought it a very or somewhat serious threat:

    Belgium 72 per cent;

    Netherlands 71 per cent;

    Germany 70 per cent;

    France 68 per cent;

    United Kingdom 63 per cent.

    When a policy concern of 65 to 70 per cent of the people is regarded as unmentionable by all mainstream parties, you have a crisis of democracy.

    Top Ender

    It would have been a hundred percent in all those countries except the remaining percentages are muslim.

  104. Slayer of Memes

    Jim Acosta Caught On Hot-Mic At Summit; ‘If They’re Not Going To Let Me In The F**king Meeting…’

    CNN White House Correspondent Jim Acosta was caught on a hot-mic cursing after rudely shouting questions at President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.

    On Monday night, the U.S. and North Korea held a historic summit in Singapore to discuss the regime denuclearizing and bringing peace to the Korean Peninsula.

    Reporters were told in advance that Trump and Kim would not take questions from the media during their meetings, as they are spending time gaining trust and working toward a deal.

    Acosta wasn’t in Singapore to play by the rules, and was caught on a hot-mic cursing and acting arrogant after shouting an inappropriate question at Trump and Kim when they walked by.

    “If they’re not going to let me in the f**king meeting, that’s what happens. That’s the way it goes, baby,” Acosta can be heard saying.

    Mmmmyes, because Obummer ALWAYS let Acosta into the room during sensitive meetings…. like that time during the meetings over the Iran deal…

  105. Top Ender

    From the Oz:

    …courses at the University of Melbourne include “Pirates and Their Enemies”, including the “personal, social and sexual strategies that pirates adopted”. Students also can study “A History of Sexualities”, “Witch-Hunting in European Societies” and “Global Histories of Indigenous Activism”. Under the heading “Middle Eastern Wars: Jihad & Resistance”, students are told the meaning of jihad “is to achieve a positive goal” and that they will study “concepts of pre-colonial resistance, wars of liberation and the clash of civilisations”.

  106. C.L.

    Judge rules Mueller must identify unnamed individuals in Manafort indictment

    LOL.
    The two Bobs, Mueller and DeNiro. Which is the dumbest? Too close to call.

  107. stackja

    Curly Dick Road, Meadow Flat, NSW

  108. C.L.

    Prepare for tears ‘n hugs again in Pariament …

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will deliver a national apology to victims of institutional child sexual abuse on October 22 this year.

    Why?
    Why does the “nation” (that is, us) have to apologise?
    Apologise for what?

  109. Mother Lode

    WTF would Burnside know about the man in the street?

    That he does not deserve to feel safe in the street if there is a chance Julian can get more legal aid money being underhanded before the uninterested on behalf of the undeserving that see us merely as prey.

    That a man so mercenary can be feted as high minded is yet another mark against our witless, feckless and arrogant media.

  110. Slayer of Memes

    Ben Rhodes on MSNBC just said how important it is to make sure you get inspections in any nuclear deal…

    I shit you not.

    You know, just like the inspections he insisted on being included in the deal he negotiated with Iran for Obummer…

    The hypocrisy is stunning, but moreso is the utter lack of self-awareness…

  111. Boambee John

    Slayer at 1227

    Made a similar reference in the NK thread last night too, calli… and mUnty jumped all over it using the very same talking points the ABC is using now…

    If the daily talking points were not sent out, would any of the left fascists have anything to say? Are they capable of independent thought?

  112. Mother Lode

    As I recall the pallet-o-cash from Obama was around the time the Iranians ‘released’ the navy personnel who so meekly surrendered to the mullah-flotilla. At the time I recall people were saying the money was effectively ransom.

    Remembering the days of Bambi is like remembering careening out of control down a rugged hillside with one of the wheels wobbling, getting out at the bottom and seeing the wheel was held on by a by the tiniest sliver of metal. As terrifying as the experience was, it is amplified when you see how close you came to a far greater catastrophe.

  113. OldOzzie

    In Venezuela, the End Is Near

    We have chronicled the accelerating destruction of Venezuela, once one of the world’s more prosperous countries, by socialism. The most recent news from that country is chilling:

    * According to Gallup, Venezuela is now the least safe place the world, having tumbled below Afghanistan in the rankings. Only 17% of Venezuelans say they feel safe walking alone at night.

    * Polio has re-emerged in Venezuela, 30 years after it was declared extinct there. The country’s health care system is verging on non-existent, as hospitals not only have run out of medicines, in some instances they don’t even have running water.

    * Venezuela is said to have more proven oil reserves than any other country, but its socialist government can’t keep the petroleum flowing, as pretty much everyone who is competent enough to do so has left the country. As a result, Venezuela’s oil exports are heading toward zero.

  114. Slayer of Memes

    If the daily talking points were not sent out, would any of the left fascists have anything to say? Are they capable of independent thought?

    As I noted last night, mUnty’s fantasy footy website is merely a rehash of other people’s ideas and efforts….

    ..so, no.

  115. C.L.

    Turnbull government legislating to arrest priests who don’t report penitents’ sins to police.

  116. struth

    The hypocrisy is stunning, but moreso is the utter lack of self-awareness…

    I have always said that hypocrisy is born of a lack of self awareness.
    It has to be.

    But to understand why the left suffer from this is , I believe, due to their collectivist thought patterns.
    They are not individually responsible for their actions and group think is therefore absolutely OK.
    Uttering any bullshit the leaders of their tribe spew forth is fine and no one ever has to judge themselves or hold themselves accountable.
    Monty is a prime example.
    When it comes to telling him about himself and his many faults, it doesn’t even register.
    He does not for one second sit back and take a good hard long look at himself.
    He’s not being stubborn.
    He can’t do it.
    They are a primitive tribe working each other up to a frenzy, and like all tribal people they need leading.
    Their actually shit scared of individual responsibility.
    There will never be the slightest self reflection, awareness or such.
    There can’t be.
    That is absolutely imperative to the collectivist , leftist existence.

  117. calli

    I have always said that hypocrisy is born of a lack of self awareness.
    It has to be.

    There is another possibility, though only in a few.

    Pure, calculated evil in which any means, however deceptive and cruel, justify the end.

  118. struth

    Pure, calculated evil in which any means, however deceptive and cruel, justify the end.

    You are right.
    Their leaders.

  119. calli

    are justified by the end

    But you knew that.

  120. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #2735939, posted on June 13, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    Punchy was just playing to the audience. He isn’t a particularly brave man, just a silly, sicophantic one.

    Keep it going, you low-talent has been.

    Why, even Squalid Wally has woken up to the fact that De Niro, Amy Schumer, Kathy Griffin and Bill Maher are writing Trump’s re-election adverts for nothing.

  121. Mother Lode

    Turnbull government legislating to arrest priests who don’t report penitents’ sins to police.

    What about psychiatrists and lawyers (who are meant to aid clients confronting the law, not evading it)?

    Hell, what about TV producers and Art Luvvies?

  122. The Barking Toad

    Wow, top 150 or thereabouts!

  123. Boambee John

    C.L.
    #2735979, posted on June 13, 2018 at 1:05 pm
    Turnbull government legislating to arrest priests who don’t report penitents’ sins to police.

    And journalists who interview p3d0ph1les on iar? And lawyers who pick up things from their clients?

    LOL, I must be joking!

  124. Delta A

    Cory Bernadi’s weekly dose:

    Over the long weekend, a visitor to our home spoke of an incident that highlights the very worst of the nanny state.

    Mum, Dad and their 18-year-old daughter visited their local liquor store to purchase a couple of bottles of wine to bring to our place for dinner.

    When going to pay, the parents were refused service unless their daughter provided proof of age identification.

    The parents politely explained that the wine was for them and their daughter had nothing to do with the purchase.

    The store attendant (equally politely) explained that because the young lady looked under 25 it was ‘the law’ she had to provide ID even if the purchase wasn’t for her.

    I have no idea if it is the law or not but if it is, it only serves to demonstrate how stupid government has become.

    Let’s break this stupidity down to its essence.

    In this case, two adults (parents) weren’t able to purchase a legal product because they were accompanied by their daughter, who also happened to be an adult, but didn’t have identification to prove it.

    The fact that this individual was not involved in the purchase at all (aside from being with her parents) meant nothing.

    When the father suggested his wife and daughter leave the premises and he would buy the products, this was again refused because ‘the cameras would identify it as a ruse to break the law’.

    So let’s be very clear what this means. An adult is not able to purchase a legal product if they happen to have another person with them who doesn’t meet some predetermined criteria.

    It would logically mean that an adult cannot purchase cigarettes or alcohol if they have their infant child with them. I guess the government thinks it would be better to leave them in the car, or alone on the street rather than be with a parent in a store.

    Perhaps a pharmacist would be required to limit the sale of medication if anyone other than the prescription holder was in attendance when paying at the counter.

    Such an idiotic approach could be applied to any age or some other criteria limiting the sale of a product. Surely no government could be that stupid…or could they?

    Worse still, government over-regulation is infantilising Australians. By playing to the lowest common denominator, we are dumbing down Australians. Personal responsibility – a key maxim of the Conservative Party – goes out of the window. The minute something goes wrong, people want to blame (if not sue) the government, a business – anyone but themselves, for not protecting them from themselves.

    In an effort to apply their legislative power to cover every scenario and to protect people from themselves, we have seen government over-reach many times.

    At some point they thought it a good idea to force companies to put calorie displays on mass produced food products to help combat obesity. As if any consumer – who supposedly doesn’t know eating takeaway every day is bad for them – will be dissuaded by being told it’s also highly calorific.

    It is the same in a bunch of other areas. The real question is: where will it all end?

    Human nature will never change. People will always make poor decisions and some people will always break whatever laws are enacted.

    Limiting the individual freedoms of the overwhelming majority of people to protect the dumb or deliberate decisions of the few is not good government.

    I hope that on this occasion my friends encountered an over-zealous sales assistant, not a ridiculous law.

    If that is the case then we should be encouraging Wesfarmers-owned Vintage Cellars to allow their staff to apply more common sense rather than ridiculous over-reach.

  125. Slayer of Memes

    struth,

    Talking with mUnty (and the other Leftists here… they know who they are), always reminds me of this Family Guy sketch

  126. egg_

    Why, even Squalid Wally has woken up to the fact that De Niro, Amy Schumer, Kathy Griffin and Bill Maher are writing Trump’s re-election adverts for nothing.

    Out of touch elitists will go down well in the rust belt.

  127. Senile Old Guy

    From 1 September 2017 all Territorians and visitors to the Northern Territory will need to show photo ID to buy takeaway alcohol. This change is part of the Banned Drinker Register (BDR) program.

  128. Slayer of Memes

    Peter Phelps MLC
    ‏@PeterPhelpsMLC

    Amazing how those progressives who were the strongest critics of Trump for the ‘fire and fury’ escalation of Aug/Sep last year … have now found a conscience about the horrors of Communism and are now the strongest critics of Trump for the Singapore de-escalation.

    Truth

  129. egg_

    Even former Obama White House staffer Barbara Heineback was embarrassed by Their ABC’s TDS on last night’s Teh Dumb.

  130. Roger

    I hope that on this occasion my friends encountered an over-zealous sales assistant, not a ridiculous law.

    I’m afraid it was, and is, a ridiculous law, Cory.

    Meanwhile, yesterday it was reported that a WA man copped a fine for drinking a beer whilst fishing.

  131. Mother Lode

    Human nature will never change. People will always make poor decisions and some people will always break whatever laws are enacted.

    Progressive, bureaucrats and politicians (a Venn diagram representing this would still 99% resemble a single circle) believe it is their role pull the right levers, push the right buttons, close the right valves, throw the right switches, and precisely fix the throttle to make all the rest of us hum along like a perfect machine.

    It is the machine that counts, not us.

    The geniuses do not reflect (or do but don’t care) that if they don’t want to be mechanically regulated, then perhaps neither do we.

    Jordan Peterson made the point to that ABC fop about the sheer fatuousness of all those people who think it their job to ‘fix’ society. As he pointed out, society is far more complicated than a cruise ship. Would they consider themselves capable of repairing a cruise ship?

    Of course, the answer is ‘Yes’. All they need do is find the representative diversity levels of gender, culture and sexual orientation of the ships parts.

  132. OneWorldGovernment

    calli
    #2735981, posted on June 13, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    I have always said that hypocrisy is born of a lack of self awareness.
    It has to be.

    There is another possibility, though only in a few.

    Pure, calculated evil in which any means, however deceptive and cruel, justify the end.

    Prime case in point

    MeToo: Democratic Party leader Eric Holder is looking for new Weinsteins to defend
    By Monica Showalter

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/metoo_democratic_party_leader_eric_holder_is_looking_for_new_weinsteins_to_defend.html

    AND from the above

    Eric Holder primed to profit off #MeToo allegations in Hollywood
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eric-holder-primed-to-profit-off-metoo-allegations-in-hollywood

    As Monica says in here article it is all about defending Democrat donors.

  133. egg_

    Even former Obama Carter White House staffer Barbara Heineback…

  134. Habib

    If it’s KIm who’s Hitler then it also makes no sense since Kim is the far weaker easily-defeated one like France/England would’ve been in 1938 or so.

    Actually the Hun were in a precarious position, they were vastly outnumbered in ’38 in about every area, especially armour and aircraft. Their armour was unreliable as well, even the Frog gear was superior. Their aircraft were marginally superior, but they had numbers still in Spain, and were hugely outnumbered. Both the Hurricane and MS406 could hold their own against the early ME109. Had the French and Poms opened a 2nd front upon the invasion of Poland it would’ve made the 6 day war seem like the War of the Roses. Hindsight’s a wonderful thing.

    It is however the case that sometimes an overwhelming deployment of force in the first instance is a winning tactic and strategy.

  135. thefrollickingmole

    Habib

    At the risk of milliblogging I think it was too much to ask the Frogs and Poms to commit to another Euro war based on a territorial dispute in the east.

    Theres also a fascinating “what if” about the Poms/France possibly being at war with Russia and Germany at the same time if Sweden had allowed troops through their nation. (in support of Finland)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War

    Would almost certainly have been a disaster.

  136. Slayer of Memes

    The IG’s 500page report lands Thursday US time (3pm public release is the word), and already the guilty parties are desperately trying to spin the narrative…

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    Yes, Andy McCabe lied 4 times under oath (and that’s just to the various Congressional committees he fronted, let alone what he said to the IG investigators), and he’s blaming it on Trump….

  137. johanna

    Meanwhile, yesterday it was reported that a WA man copped a fine for drinking a beer whilst fishing.

    On local TV at the moment the government is running a fatuous series of ads (presumably crafted by someone with no knowledge of either chemistry or booze) with the slogan ”water and alcohol don’t mix.” The message is that if you are swimming, boating, fishing or just walking along the shore or riverbank your blood alcohol level had better be zero, or you will die.

    Want to bring a bottle of wine to a waterside picnic? Fuggedaboudit. Want to have a beer or three while fishing? You are practically a criminal.

    These pecksniffs will never be satisfied – bit by bit, little by little, they chip away at ordinary human enjoyment of nature and life in general. Worst of all, our taxes are paying for it.

  138. Entropy

    I am linking to this twitter video of Malcolm Turnbull’s, not because I think the the subject is interesting to any but the Cat’s rural denizens, but because of what it says about Australia and how even toffy types like lord Wentworth can get on and actually be interested in stuff. I can’t imagine any other national leader doing this, this is a feature of Australian PMs. It’s only a minute or so.

    Malcolm Turnbull talking drought resilience and Mitchell grass with rick Britten and dpi

  139. jupes

    Turnbull government legislating to arrest priests who don’t report penitents’ sins to police.

    In other Liberal party news, the NSW government is going to tax online gambling winnings.

  140. Slayer of Memes

    OWG, would that be the same Eric Holder who is the ONLY Federal Attorney-General (indeed, the ONLY Cabinet Member of the US Government) to EVER be found in Contempt of Congress, and by an OVER-WHELMING MAJORITY (255-67)?

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Mother Lode

    #2735974, posted on June 13, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    As I recall the pallet-o-cash from Obama was around the time the Iranians ‘released’ the navy personnel who so meekly surrendered to the mullah-flotilla. At the time I recall people were saying the money was effectively ransom.

    Look, I don’t blame those guys for waving the white flag. Their rules of engagement under Obumbi would have dictated that even the mildest defensive action was out of bounds. Note the change of attitude when Trump took power. The boldness disappeared from forces in the mid-East, knowing they were now going to be met with ‘great vengeance and furious anger’ if they pulled shit like that.

  142. Mother Lode

    After all the people prosecuted for process crimes it is fun to see how the perpetrators of these injustices are so thoroughly taken aback and left blinking with non-comprehension that it could happen to them too.

  143. Mother Lode

    Look, I don’t blame those guys for waving the white flag.

    Oh, I didn’t mean the meekness was their idea. As you say – they have these decisions made for regardless of their own instincts.

    Obama had absolutely no regard for the prestige of the American forces, apparently believing they were an unnecessary evil until the advent of accession of his august self. Once he had arrived they could be dispensed with.

  144. Oh come on

    How awesome is Trump’s nickname for Robert De Niro – Punchy! LOL

  145. egg_

    I have always said that hypocrisy is born of a lack of self awareness.

    Or denial; the PC mask of the Left is very thin, particularly if minorities get too uppity.

  146. Oh come on

    It is tragic to see a once-fine artist mentally degenerate in the way Punchy has, though. He gets up on stage, knuckles a-dragging behind him, goes to the podium – duuuuuuh fuck Trump! (oh they’re cheering) umm yeah! Yeah! Fuck Trump!

    Where am I?

  147. struth

    That law regarding getting your licence out everytime you buy a drink has been in place for years in various places at one time or another.
    Especially Alice and Tennant Creek.

    Also very stupid hours relating to what can be sold at what time of the day.
    I’ve seen international tourists blow their cool over this, and become very upset.
    Australians just bend over and take it.
    We deserve all we get, good and hard.

    By the way, if you are enjoying a motoring holiday in the outback and you wish to drop into Alice Springs for supplies, which may include alcohol, make sure you know what time of the day you can get what, even if the shops are open, and have a photo ID on hand.
    Just as many welfare dependant drunks ready to bash you as there always was.
    And just as drunk, if not more so.
    Tourist friendly,…….my arse.

  148. Makka

    Obama had absolutely no regard for the prestige of the American forces, apparently believing they were an unnecessary evil until the advent of accession of his august self.

    The Kenyan was raised, schooled and mentored by moslems and Communists whose world view is that The Great Satan USA was the cause of most of the world’s ill, particularly in the developing world. US expansionism, interference and manipulation made life miserable for brown people. He HATED the USA and especially her Armed Forces. Then he became POTUS and the rest is history.

    D’Sousa had Obama pegged from the get go.

  149. Peter Castieau

    On the topic of stupid fines….. In the local paper it was reported recently that the cops fined a motorcyclist for a loose helmet strap (that he only loosened after being pulled over) for another infringement.

    FMD!

  150. Leigh Lowe

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    Uh-huh.
    Three things.
    (1) That is a de facto admission of lying under oath. He’s gone. Criminally gone.
    (2) I’ll bet Manafort, Paige, Flynn and co would be interested to see how that defence goes, given they were “under siege” with threats to jail and/or ruin family and friends.
    (3) It must be comforting for the American people to know that the top layers of the FBI are likely to melt under pressure.

  151. struth

    How can the apparent law regarding the young girl who wasn’t actually purchasing alcohol stand up in court?

    I am always weary of these “it’s law” claims, as I have been told that many times, even by police, who have actually come up to me later to say, no, they were wrong, it wasn’t law at all.

    This goes back to our constitution.
    There is a correct way, and the only way to make laws, and they must be signed off, etc.
    Challenge the law affecting you, and sometimes in this shithole of a country, it’s no more than hearsay, and definitely not law.

  152. struth

    De Niro shows the level of intelligence most thespians possess when they foolishly decide to ad-lib, or work without a script.

    Overpaid props.

  153. Makka

    Leigh,
    4) Over 20 high ranking FBI operatives are asking to be subpoenaed in order to testify before the IG and/or Huber regarding FBI wrongdoing during the Comey years.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Further on McCabe.
    It looks like his request for ‘diplomatic immunity’ before testifying to Congress has fallen on deaf ears, hence the plea for mercy.
    I understand that he has a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds for legals.
    It is sobering to note that, if he was a Republican and this happened under Obumbi, the IRS and DoJ would be all over the GoFundMe donors like a rash.

  155. Some History

    Rest easy, everyone. Barb Deh Neero and his artiste buddies are tirelessly working to rectify all of Trump’s “damage”. Having stayed up one night studying trading data for G7 nations, Barb was obviously unimpressed by the treatment meted out by Trump at the G7 gathering. Barb, again, had to take it upon himself to apologize to G7 nations and Justine Trudeau in particular for Trump’s reckless conduct.

    Here’s another of the “superiors”, Amy Shoomer, also from the Social Engineering Department of the Screen Actors Guild, hard at work informing her “we’re-going-to-fix-up-the-world” opinions:

    https://imgur.com/g7c96zn

    BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!
    WARNING
    – Do NOT view within 1 hour of meals.
    – May cause temporary blindness.
    – Possible dizziness and revulsion.
    – Nightmares may persist for several days after viewing.
    – May result in ongoing psychotherapy.

  156. struth

    These dumb over the top fines by cops are not valid fines and would be thrown out of a court if challenged.
    They make enough money out of dumb bastards just paying them, or because people can’t get to court, to keep the practice up, even when a few catch them out.
    As a truck driver, this shit was pulled on me time and again, and it’s surprising what happens when you ask them if they are sure it’s law, with the camera going.

  157. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh,
    4) Over 20 high ranking FBI operatives are asking to be subpoenaed in order to testify before the IG and/or Huber regarding FBI wrongdoing during the Comey years.

    That tells you that nobody needs to do deals.
    They’ve got witnesses coming out of the woodwork.
    There is nothing which burns in the guts like having worked on a case for months only some holier-than-thou prick like Comey or McCabe drop it down the back of the filing cabinet (knowing the investigation subject was Crimton connected).

  158. Peter Castieau

    BTW the fine was $550

  159. Snoopy

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    Monty, get here and explain why Kelly, Page and Manafort can’t argue in their defence that they were under seige from the FBI. After all, you boasted numerous times that was the case.

  160. Leigh Lowe

    Oh come on

    #2736032, posted on June 13, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    It is tragic to see a once-fine artist mentally degenerate in the way Punchy has, though.

    I don’t rate him as an actor.
    Every time they run a montage of his finest moments it consists of …
    “you talkin’ to me? … you talkin’ to me? .. YOU TALKING’ TO ME?”
    That’s it.
    He always has been a wooden one-trick-pony, as his forays into “comedy” have illustrated.
    Truth is, he is 74 years old, without a half decent movie credit since 1985, reduced to advertising coffee.
    He sees Trump, two years younger and at the height of his powers.
    Punchy is just an impotent old man shouting at the sky.
    He is probably 6 months out from a confirmation of dementia.

  161. zyconoclast

    Here’s another of the “superiors”, Amy Shoomer, also from the Social Engineering Department of the Screen Actors Guild, hard at work informing her “we’re-going-to-fix-up-the-world” opinions:

    https://imgur.com/g7c96zn</i?

    Is that the prequel to the Inside Amy Schumer show?

  162. johanna

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    AKA the dog ate his homework.

  163. struth

    OK De Niro, say that within arms length of Clint Eastwood.
    Go ahead punk, make my day.

  164. zyconoclast

    Charanpreet Singh Lall was part of the Queen’s birthday festivities in London this weekend as part of his duties in the British Army.

    While one of about a thousand soldiers, the 22-year-old Coldstream Guards soldier stood out during the Trooping the Colour ceremony because of his headwear: a turban.

    The India-born Sikh became the first guardsman to wear a turban during the parade. His fellow soldiers sported furry bearskin hats.

  165. Senile Old Guy

    I’ve seen international tourists blow their cool over this, and become very upset. Australians just bend over and take it.

    Because, if you get upset, you probably will not get what you want, and may have store security or the cops called on you. For deadbeats, it is no big deal but, if you have a responsible job, in a smallish city, it can be a big problem.

    I am always weary of these “it’s law” claims, as I have been told that many times, even by police, who have actually come up to me later to say, no, they were wrong, it wasn’t law at all.

    Agreed. The NT law is fairly clear but coppers also have some latitude in how they can respond.

    Ultimately, there is little evidence that the NT BDR has any effect at all on the problems it is supposed to reduce. An investigation was done in 2014 by ABC Fact Check:

    Senator Peris is correct that alcohol-related emergency admissions in Northern Territory hospitals have increased by 80 per cent since the banned drinker register was scrapped. However attributing this significant change to the banned drinker register does not present the full picture. Firstly, the register did not stop the long-term increasing trend in alcohol-related emergency presentations. Also, the serious upward spike in alcohol-related emergency presentations began in May 2012 when the register was still in place. Experts say it is too early to assess the reasons for the spike.

    Nonetheless, it was an ALP election campaign promise and the ALP won.

  166. Mother Lode

    I am always weary of these “it’s law” claims, as I have been told that many times, even by police, who have actually come up to me later to say, no, they were wrong, it wasn’t law at all.

    I am sure I have mentioned it before but I have dearth of worthy anecdotes and must recycle.

    There is a pub in Orange called the Canobolas. I went in one evening for a quick scotch. When asked what I wanted with it I said I just wanted it neat. The bartender told me I couldn’t. It had to have a mixer.

    Not only had I had it neat in that very bar before (which he will not have seen anyway), but the pub has an attached Whisky Bar on the first floor where they will serve it neat.

    Not wanting to cause a ruckus I decided to change to a Little Creatures. And coke.

  167. Cory Bernadi’s weekly dose:

    Over the long weekend, a visitor to our home spoke of an incident that highlights the very worst of the nanny state.
    Mum, Dad and their 18-year-old daughter visited their local liquor store to purchase a couple of bottles of wine to bring to our place for dinner.
    When going to pay, the parents were refused service unless their daughter provided proof of age identification.
    The parents politely explained that the wine was for them and their daughter had nothing to do with the purchase.
    The store attendant (equally politely) explained that because the young lady looked under 25 it was ‘the law’ she had to provide ID even if the purchase wasn’t for her.
    I have no idea if it is the law or not but if it is, it only serves to demonstrate how stupid government has become.

    Corey Bernardi, Doofus.
    You don’t know if this is the law? Easily checked.
    If it is the law, you got a point Corey.

    If it ain’t the law, then it ain’t a demonstration of how stupid the government has become.
    Merely of how stupid the bottleshop attendant may be.

  168. Leigh Lowe

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    AKA the dog ate his homework.

    AKA … I am sooooo fucked.
    I just had a quick look at Zatara’s link above at 1:14, which rolled on to election night coverage.
    I would love to have been a fly on the wall watching Clapper, Comey and McCabe & co as the results rolled in. They must have been shitting bricks. They deliberately didn’t cover their tracks because they needed the incoming President Hillary to see their loyalty laid bare … Oh Fuck!!! It’s Trump!!! Fuckety Fuck Fuck.

  169. zyconoclast

    Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s

    A pair of researchers with the Ragnar Frisch Centre for Economic Research in Norway has found that IQ test scores have been slowly dropping over the past several decades. In their paper published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Bernt Bratsberg and Ole Rogeberg describe their study and the results they found. They also offer some possible explanations for their findings.

    Prior studies have shown that people grew smarter over the first part of last century, as measured by the intelligence quotient—a trend that was dubbed the Flynn effect. Various theories have been proposed to explain this apparent brightening of the human mind, such as better nutrition, health care, education, etc, all factors that might help people grow into smarter adults than they would have otherwise. But, now, according to the researchers in Norway, that trend has ended. Instead of getting smarter, humans have started getting dumber.

    The study by the team consisted of analyzing IQ test results from young men entering Norway’s national service (compulsory military duty) during the years 1970 to 2009. In all, 730,000 test results were accounted for. In studying the data, the researchers found that scores declined by an average of seven points per generation, a clear reversal of test results going back approximately 70 years.

    But it was not all bad news. The researchers also found some differences between family groups, suggesting that some of the decline might be due to environmental factors. But they also suggest that lifestyle changes could account for some of the decline, as well, such as changes in the education system and children reading less and playing video games more. Sadly, other researchers have found similar results. A British team recently found IQ score results falling by 2.5 to 4.3 points every decade since approximately the end of the second world war. And this past December, another group from the U.S. found that children who grew up eating a lot of fish tended to have higher IQs—and they slept better, too, which is another factor involved in adult intelligence levels. Notably, children in many countries in the modern era eat very little fish.

  170. Not only had I had it neat in that very bar before (which he will not have seen anyway), but the pub has an attached Whisky Bar on the first floor where they will serve it neat.

    What time of day was it?
    In parts (perhaps all) of NSW spirts must be served with a mixer after a certain time – usually midnight.
    This may vary depending upon local liquor accord agreements or by the particular licence conditions imposed upon a venue.

  171. zyconoclast

    Being Black in America Can Be Hazardous to Your Health
    In Baltimore and other segregated cities, the life-expectancy gap between African Americans and whites is as much as 20 years. One young woman’s struggle shows why.

    One morning this past September, Kiarra Boulware boarded the 26 bus to Baltimore’s Bon Secours Hospital, where she would seek help for the most urgent problem in her life: the 200-some excess pounds she carried on her 5-foot-2-inch frame.

    “I don’t want to be fat,” she added, “but I don’t know how to not be fat.”

  172. Senile Old Guy

    [some city] council calls for Airbnb accommodation to be regulated like hotels.

    Pop quiz! Which city in which state?

    The capital of mainland Tasmania, of course.

  173. Leigh Lowe

    The store attendant (equally politely) explained that because the young lady looked under 25 it was ‘the law’ she had to provide ID even if the purchase wasn’t for her.
    I have no idea if it is the law or not but if it is, it only serves to demonstrate how stupid government has become.

    No it isn’t.
    Yes, it is illegal to sell liquor to a person under 18.
    If the person making payment is of age and they take delivery of the booze it is fine.
    And a minor can be on licensed premises in the company of a parent or guardian.
    Unless it is apparent that the adult is buying the booze for a minor, the officious little shit can just STFU and complete the transaction.
    Of course, he has probably done a Cert IV in RSA, run by some bulldyke scold who has invented this technicality.
    BTW, there is no law about “looking under 25” … that is just a company guideline.

  174. zyconoclast

    Erdogan denounces Austrian decision to close mosques

    ISTANBUL (AFP) –
    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday strongly criticised Austria’s move to close mosques and expel Turkish-funded imams, slamming the decision as anti-Islamic and promising a response.

    “These measures taken by the Austrian prime minister are, I fear, leading the world towards a war between the cross and the crescent,” Erdogan said in a speech in Istanbul.

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    The store attendant (equally politely) explained that because the young lady looked under 25 it was ‘the law’ she had to provide ID even if the purchase wasn’t for her.

    Goddammit!
    This is what happens when you let f$cking W$ps into the country.
    They start buying p$ss to let their kids get drunk at an early age and before you know it
    “Badda Boom Badda Bing! ”
    we have these ridiculous f$cking laws that ruin it for everyone.

    Just outrageous.

  176. struth

    As I said, Peter, the road safety commission cannot make laws.
    Laws must go though parliament.
    I am not going into it, but my first objective if I was the motorcycle rider is to see the exact wording of the actual law.
    The offence written by police states a wishy washy statement by the cop which may have well stated “I didn’t like the way he’s did his strap and he looks like a bikie.

    There are road laws for every state, and most are the same, with only slight differences (Vic, turning right inner city tram areas etc) and are easily found.
    They are the only rules that need to be adhered to and if the WA safety commission don’t like what you are doing, well it’s stiff bikkies.

  177. Stimpson J. Cat

    You would never have this issue with Muslims, would you?

  178. zyconoclast

    Teaching Boss Slams School Reading Lists: Not Interested in ‘Conservative’ Shakespeare, ‘Dead White Men’

    The head of the UK’s largest teaching union has warned that plans to move towards a ‘knowledge-based’ curriculum risks “hurtling” England into the past.
    Dismissing plans for a traditional, academic curriculum as outdated, National Education Union (NEU) joint general secretary Mary Bousted argued the importance of including “identity”-focused figures to inspire people from minority groups.

    Delivering a speech at Bryanston Education Summit, she said: “As an English teacher, I have no problem with Shakespeare, with Pope, with Dryden, with Shelley.

    “But I knew in a school where there are 38 first languages taught other than English that I had to have Afro-Caribbean writers in that curriculum, I had to have Indian writers, I had to have Chinese writers to enable pupils to foreshadow their lives in the curriculum.”

    According to Bousted, whose union represents more than 500,000 education workers, teachers should be focused on developing skills like “resilience” in pupils rather than engaging them with great works of literature, because the literary canon is conservative and too white.

    “If a powerful knowledge curriculum means recreating the best that has been thought by dead, white men — then I’m not very interested in it,” the Times Educational Supplement reported her saying.

    While 2014 curriculum reforms ensure that pupils must study at least one Shakespeare play before they finish school, as well as a 19th-century novel, Bousted suggested that canonical texts should come packaged with warnings they are out-of-date, privilege-tainted and inherently oppressive.

    “It is important for students to know some of ‘the best that has been thought and said’ but it is also important for them to know that it was a choice that was made and a choice made by the powerful.

    “So you can have an uncomplicated reading of Shakespeare which is ‘it’s just about society’. Actually, Shakespeare was an intensely conservative writer who wrote a lot of time to bolster the divine right of kings – so you need different voices in that.”

    Moving to emphasise content and knowledge in schools was creating a curriculum “not fit for the world in 2018”, Bousted told the event, insisting that “skills need to be fostered, nurtured and evaluated”.

    Colleges and universities in Britain have increasingly come under attack in recent years as supposedly “white spaces, in which whiteness – and white privilege – dominates”, with left-wing academics and students demanding educational institutions “address the toxic Eurocentricity entrenched in every nook, cranny and crease”.

    Seeking to replace writers, scientists, philosophers, and mathematicians in university curriculums with thinkers from the global South — with growing success — the movement’s advocates claim they are “decolonising” British institutions, despite the fact that white people are indigenous to the British Isles.

  179. struth

    “If a powerful knowledge curriculum means recreating the best that has been thought by dead, white men — then I’m not very interested in it,”

    Funny, Marx is what?

  180. Some History

    The truth comes out. No wonder Barb Deh Neero is upset. Trump has stolen his thunder.

    It turns out that Barb and his buddies from the Crisis Team of the Screen Actors Guild had been working for the last few years to get Kim the Korean to the negotiating table [Barb had himself infiltrated North Korea on a number of occasions to single-handedly disarm nuclear weapons]. And then Trump just messed it all up.

  181. Some History

    The truth comes out. No wonder Barb Deh Neero is upset. Trump has stolen his thunder.
    It turns out that Barb and his buddies from the Crisis Team of the Screen Actors Guild had been working for the last few years to get Kim the Korean to the negotiating table [Barb had himself infiltrated North Korea on a number of occasions to single-handedly disarm nuclear weapons]. And then Trump just messed it all up.

    Trump has yet to understand the chain of command. Any thoughts on policy, the POTUS must first run them by the Screen Actors Guild for approval.

  182. Atoms for Peace

    Haven’t dead white women also contributed to Western culture.?

  183. Leigh Lowe

    Trump has yet to understand the chain of command. Any thoughts on policy, the POTUS must first run them by the Screen Actors Guild for approval.

    Or, borrowing from Team America, the Film Actors Guild … FAG.

  184. Leigh Lowe

    One morning this past September, Kiarra Boulware boarded the 26 bus to Baltimore’s Bon Secours Hospital, where she would seek help for the most urgent problem in her life: the 200-some excess pounds she carried on her 5-foot-2-inch frame.

    You could start by giving the shockers and springs on the bus a rest and waddling to the hospital, barge-arse.

  185. calli

    “I don’t want to be fat,” she added, “but I don’t know how to not be fat.”

    One word – Keto.

    The other word – exercise.

  186. Mother Lode

    What time of day was it?

    Week day, mid evening. Maybe about 8:00. Certainly before 9:00.

    I was curious as to whether it was a policy of the bar itself, which would have made some sense.

    And it was only Chivas!

    But it certainly wasn’t a law.

  187. johanna

    A British team recently found IQ score results falling by 2.5 to 4.3 points every decade since approximately the end of the second world war. And this past December, another group from the U.S. found that children who grew up eating a lot of fish tended to have higher IQs—and they slept better, too, which is another factor involved in adult intelligence levels. Notably, children in many countries in the modern era eat very little fish.

    So Bertie Wooster was right about the source of Jeeves’ genius? Eating lots of fish?

    Gosh, the Esquimaux and Pacific Islanders must be geniuses, then.

    The fixation of some people on IQ is generally confined to those who have high opinions of their own.

    No doubt the vast majority of Cats (and especially kittehs) have high IQs. But, so do the inhabitants of those SJW paradises called universities.

    Your point is?

  188. Habib

    Further evidence to support my theory of devolution.

  189. Some History

    [Barb had himself infiltrated North Korea on a number of occasions to single-handedly disarm nuclear weapons]

    On these “covert ops” Barb was accompanied by only a cameraman, sound technician, and make-up artist…. and hair stylist…. and wardrobe manager…. and Giorgio the personal trainer.

  190. Anytime you think IQ matters, attend a Mensa gathering. You’ll be left with a healthy contempt for “IQ”

  191. Geriatric Mayfly

    Notably, children in many countries in the modern era eat very little fish.

    Include impecunious adults as well. When fillets of the common flathead hit $60 a kg. one just stares at the merchandise in bewilderment.

  192. wivenhoe

    When fillets of the common flathead hit $60 a kg. one just stares at the merchandise in bewilderment.

    Now come on, GM, do you realize just how hard it is to catch flathead without using bait and a hook, after all, we can not allow causing pain to the poor little fishes, you know, fishes have feelings and rights.

  193. Snoopy

    notafan
    #2736093, posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:18 pm
    Italy says no
    >
    Among the (illegal im)migrants are 123 unaccompanied minors (average age 22 and a half)

  194. Snoopy

    Notably, children in many countries in the modern era eat very little fish.

    Snobby critics of Birdseye fish fingers have a lot to answer for.

  195. md

    Take the time to watch the video in this story. Weinstein (the good one, not the bad one) explains everything about the Left’s suppression of free speech:
    Weinstein to Congress: You Can’t Say ‘Donald Trump Is President’ in Campus Safe Spaces

  196. struth

    22 and a half…..minors.

  197. Stimpson J. Cat

    One morning this past September, Kiarra Boulware boarded the 26 bus to Baltimore’s Bon Secours Hospital, where she would seek help for the most urgent problem in her life: the 200-some excess pounds she carried on her 5-foot-2-inch frame.

    Remember when fat people had the decency to feel shame?
    I do.
    Just disgraceful.

  198. H B Bear

    When fillets of the common flathead hit $60 a kg. one just stares at the merchandise in bewilderment.

    Yep. Most white flesh fish $40++, rubbish farmed salmon $25 for fatty, flabby fish. I can understand the flathead price, by the time you have caught and filleted it you have thrown most of it away. No wonder people aren’t eating enough.

  199. stackja

    2GB

    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    “It will be an apology for the despicable and deplorable crimes and sins that were committed.

    “The Prime Minister is working with survivor groups to make sure that the apology will be fit for purpose, will recognise the trauma that survivors have been through and also… remember that sadly there are some survivors who are no longer with us.”

  200. Zatara

    “McCabe said any lapses in his memory or mistakes in his interviews with the IG and others were mistakes derived from the chaos inside the FBI under siege from President Trump and his allies”

    That didn’t stop you from prosecuting General Flynn did it numbnuts?

    “How did his memory go from I didn’t talk to the Russians about sanctions to I don’t remember if I talked to the Russians about the sanctions,” the ex-prosecutor said. “These interview are very close in time to the event, not a year and a half later….It’s not the type of thing that you would forget.”

    So how did that work out?

    “I’d say 98 out of 100 times, nothing ever happens, not criminally. Maybe there’s an administrative matter with the clearance, but every once in a while the government gets all worked up and all of a sudden somebody gets prosecuted for lying”

    You are number two McCabe, in all possible senses.

  201. johanna

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2736100, posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    Notably, children in many countries in the modern era eat very little fish.

    Include impecunious adults as well. When fillets of the common flathead hit $60 a kg. one just stares at the merchandise in bewilderment.

    GM, I am going to visit my nephew in SE Qld next month when the gloom of winter becomes intolerable here.

    One of the reasons is that in Queensland, unlike in NSW, it is possible to eat fresh fish which has not been frozen and put through the Sydney Fish Market. What a racket that is. I assume that many, most, perhaps all Cats know the difference between fresh and frozen fish in terms of flavour. In NSW, the trawlers pull up within a whisper of a fish restaurant or a chippie and are forbidden to sell anything to them. It’s a bloody disgrace, but no doubt some political palms were well crossed with silver to make it so.

  202. Baldrick

    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    Look that’s all very noble and virtuous, looking back at historic offences, but what politician is going to do something about the children being abused today in Aboriginal communities?

  203. Frank

    One word – Keto.

    The other word – exercise.

    Another few words–for when the first two don’t seem to work–might be emergency liposuction teams.

  204. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘He believes he’s the messiah’: Accused Bourke Street driver appears unrecognisable in court – as a jury is told he thinks he is the ‘second coming of Christ who was born to tell the truth’

    Story in the Daily Mail. Seems Garglearse is peading “insanity.”

  205. Roger

    Er…who authorised the PM to speak on behalf of the Catholic Church of Australia?

  206. The Barking Toad

    BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!
    WARNING
    – Do NOT view within 1 hour of meals.
    – May cause temporary blindness.
    – Possible dizziness and revulsion.
    – Nightmares may persist for several days after viewing.
    – May result in ongoing psychotherapy.

    Why is it that I ignore the warning and click on the link? It happens all the time!

    And now I have a headache

  207. Dr Fred Lenin

    President Trump is unreal .finally someone who is not an incompetent socialist wuss.
    He has increased employment Profits and industry ..
    He has reduced the cost of power and sold surplus federal property to pay for infrastructure ,
    He has reduced illegal migration and has started the wall making Mexico pay for it through tariffs .
    He has told the Fourth Reich (EU) to stop bludging on the USA .
    He has China on the run with trade and the Taiwan Embassy ,
    He has got the Norks to negotiate using China to press them .
    He has lines up obummerIranin fascist mates for future destruction .
    Ha has defied the elite aparat and is the process of destroying it .
    He has let the tool mueller do his worst knowing there is nothing to find .
    He has the clinton gang ,the whole cottupt decromats and the turnbull type republicans worried sick .
    He has told Muslims too get stuffed over Jerusalem embassy.
    And he has given that stupid Di Nero the nickname PUNCHY , which punchy will carry to his grave .
    These are just a few of the things he has done ,he seems determined to bury the elite aparatchiks and their u.n.communist comrades and his progress is magic. World politics has changed for the better and he still has a few years to go ,watch this space .

    We live in interesting times ,this man it bringing power back to the People he is a true revolutionary .

  208. stackja

    Baldrick
    #2736117, posted on June 13, 2018 at 4:05 pm
    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    Look that’s all very noble and virtuous, looking back at historic offences, but what politician is going to do something about the children being abused today in Aboriginal communities?

    No politician is going to do something about the children being abused today in Aboriginal communities. Too hard!

  209. Makka

    but what politician is going to do something about the children being abused today in Aboriginal communities?

    Didn’t you see the article yesterday? They increased abo funding, of course. It’s bound to work.

  210. stackja

    Makka
    #2736126, posted on June 13, 2018 at 4:09 pm
    but what politician is going to do something about the children being abused today in Aboriginal communities?

    Didn’t you see the article yesterday? They increased abo funding, of course. It’s bound to work.

    Lots of jobs for bureaucrats.

  211. The Barking Toad

    Of course, he has probably done a Cert IV in RSA

    Leigh @2:46

    And that is exactly the problem. Little kiddies with a Certificate who should not be working in a service industry

  212. Makka

    One more Dr Fred; he has decimated the EPA.

  213. Tel

    “These measures taken by the Austrian prime minister are, I fear, leading the world towards a war between the cross and the crescent,” Erdogan said in a speech in Istanbul.

    If that’s what he thinks then very good for us to clear ourselves of that influence ASAP.

    Also close anything funded by Saudi Arabia.

  214. mizaris

    stackja
    #2736112, posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    What about the Anglicans, Salvation Army, Uniting Church, and the various State Hostels (even up to the 1990s). They were all just as bad as the Micks.

  215. stackja

    INCLUSION NUDGES: REPLACING ONE NUTTY LEFT-WING CAMPAIGN WITH ANOTHER

    Mark Latham’s Tuesday Column:

    At last, there’s a break in the weather. As identity politics has swept across Australia like a crackling thunderstorm, drenching the public with Left-wing propaganda, it has been difficult to find an honest appraisal of the doctrine of ‘unconscious bias’.

    Until now. From a most unlikely source, I’ve come across five minutes of evidence-based sunshine.

    The Diversity Council of Australia (DCA) has conceded that workplace seminars trying to rid staff of their ‘unconscious biases’ are as ineffective as a Barnaby Joyce-run course on chastity.

    “Research shows that (staff) training has mixed results and limited success”, the DCA lamented in a recent note to its members, concluding that: “It can be a lot easier just to de-bias the environment rather than take on the might of the human mind, with all its complexities and implicit biases.”

    What an admission. After a decade of Stalinist indoctrination programs, trying to convince workers that strange voices are bouncing around their brains, making them discriminate against ‘minority groups’, the peak Diversity body in Australia has conceded defeat.

    The human mind is too rational, too incisive to accept the kind of intellectual sludge advanced during unconscious bias re-training.

    I’ve spoken to people who have sat through these sessions and the first thing they say is, “If it’s supposed to be unconscious how does anyone know what it is, including the dickhead at the front of the room telling me I have lost control of my thought processes?”

    A local government worker told me, “We spent half a day thinking to ourselves it was all baloney, wishing the seminar would just end.” When it did, he reckons the participants looked at each other like they had witnessed something from outer space, the funniest alien show since Mork & Mindy.

    Thank goodness people aren’t stupid. At the training sessions they heard voices all right: the nonsensical ramblings of Leftist facilitators, which went in one ear and then rapidly out the other.

    The DCA admission is no small thing. The Council’s membership is a who’s who of government agencies and corporate Australia – everyone from the ABC and Sydney University to Cricket Australia, Qantas, AGL and AMP. Each of them has wasted their money in believing that unconscious bias might be real.

    The Council’s chairman is former Australian of the Year, David Morrison. He’s famous for declaring that our great national crisis is not in rising energy prices, substandard schooling or the threat of radical Islamic terrorism. It’s in the use of the word ‘guys’ in the workplace.

    Having watched Australian workers wise up to the myth of unconscious bias, the guys at the Diversity Council have created a ready-made replacement. They live by the motto: if one Leftist hoax doesn’t work, simply invent another.

    They are now aiming to “de-bias the work environment” with a thing called “Inclusion Nudges”. If unconscious bias was from Mars, this one has flown in from another galaxy.

    According to the DCA website, “Inclusion Nudges focus on changing the work environment to outsmart and interrupt our unconscious biases, rather than just relying on individuals to do this themselves. It involves tweaking and making adjustments to organisational policies and practices – nudging people, rather than just training them, towards more inclusive choices.” It sounds wondrous, until you read what it actually involves.

    Inclusion Nudges are the brainchild of two Left-feminists: Tina Nielsen, a Danish Green who describes herself as “a diversity and inclusion thought leader” and Lisa Kepinski, head of the globalist Inclusion Institute.

    One of their recommended techniques is for companies to buy a set of cardboard imitation glasses and sit them on the table at staff selection meetings. Then, as they describe it, if the discussion has not arrived at “inclusive outcomes”, “the CEO should instruct participants to put on their ‘gender lens’ and review the discussions for any biases at play.” That’s right, everyone at the meeting has to wear a pair of fake glasses.

    According to Nielsen and Kepinski, this is a form of culture shock, “a physical prompting nudge that interrupts business-as-usual decision making.” I think it’s more like a Specsavers ad. It’s the corporate equivalent of a lifeguard wading into the ocean and dragging out a seal for CPR.

    A company could be paying its executives millions and they’ve got to sit there looking like preschool kids playing dress-ups. I suppose Groucho Marx glasses are out of the question, as they might signify evidence of ‘white male privilege’.

    No, you are not dreaming. This really is the direction the Diversity Council and its members are headed. Look out for the likes of Alan Joyce and Andrew Vesey nudging away in the near future, wearing the very latest in Leftist fashion: a rainbow-coloured set of cardboard glasses.

    As for me, the poor soul that has had to wade through the DCA website, I’m worried their crapola might be contagious. So I’m off to talk to some normal people, to nudge myself back into reality.

    12 June 2018

  216. mizaris

    And what about the kids in the NT – that’s still happening today in regional communities. Is Mal going to fix that?????

  217. mizaris

    Punchy!!!! ROFLMAO Punchy de Zero.

  218. The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    Why single out the Catholic Church?

  219. stackja

    mizaris
    #2736135, posted on June 13, 2018 at 4:20 pm
    stackja
    #2736112, posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    What about the Anglicans, Salvation Army, Uniting Church, and the various State Hostels (even up to the 1990s). They were all just as bad as the Micks.

    Gillard wanted the “Micks’ to get it.

  220. OldOzzie

    Senile Old Guy posted on June 13, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    From 1 September 2017 all Territorians and visitors to the Northern Territory will need to show photo ID to buy takeaway alcohol. This change is part of the Banned Drinker Register (BDR) program.

    ID is not a problem, even worse is when you are heading down to the northern end of the Colson track to the Western Start of the Madigan Line, and rather than set off at Sparrow F*rt having ariived in Alice after 9pm the night before, restocked at Wollies, just as they close at 10pm then have to wait till 2pm to restock the alcohol, meant setting off into dusk with loads of roos on the road (we were hustling as we were driving the 10 Ton 4WD truck carrying 44 Gallon Drums of Diesel for expedition and because of some mechanical troubles were running late)

    When you can buy takeaway alcohol
    Alice Springs

    You can only buy takeaway alcohol during the following hours:

    from Monday to Friday, 2pm to 9pm
    on Saturday and public holidays, except Christmas Day and Good Friday, 10am to 9pm
    on Sunday from pubs with drive-through bottleshops and clubs for members only from 12 noon to 9pm.

    Find out more about where you can’t drink in Alice Springs and Central Australia.

  221. thefrollickingmole

    The head of the UK’s largest teaching union has warned that plans to move towards a ‘knowledge-based’ curriculum risks “hurtling” England into the past.

    Let me see why would that concern her?

    England is the only country in the developed world where the generation approaching retirement is more literate and numerate than the youngest adults, according to the first skills survey by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

    Yessss, kiddies as educated or more than their parents would be terrible for the “great replacement” operation being inflicted on them.

    Does spacktarded union member care to give a lesson entirely in a clicky language disabled transgender 2 spirit kin Inuit of colour?
    If not then shes obviously a racist and should be gassed.

  222. johanna

    Flathead! Cripes, the well versed chaps on fishing TV, Nick Duigan and Andrew Hart of Hook, Line and Sinker regard it as the stupidest fish on the planet. According to them, it just sits on the bottom waiting for a bait or lure.

    I dunno. I fished in their territory quite a bit as a young gel, and caught more whiting. Flathead is perfectly OK as an eating fish, but $60 a kilo? They’ve got to be kidding.

    A few years ago I was at a conference at that wedding-cake hotel at Brighton-le Sands. At lunchtime, I eschewed the smorgasbord (!) and went downstairs to find a Greek chippie. Picked out some flathead fillets, cooked on the spot, with big, fat chips. Sat and watched the container ships coming and going from Port Botany through the Norfolk Pines. Threw the remainders up in the air, never to hit the ground thanks to vigilant gulls.

    Fact is, I know what fresh flathead tastes like, and this was OK, but not the real thing.

  223. Makka

    Why single out the Catholic Church?

    They shouldn’t. It’s obvious appeasement.

    However, the Church has made some horrific judgement calls in allowing predatory queers and p edos into the clergy, then failing to clean them out and press charges when identified.Not just here but also worldwide including Rome

    Poor Cardinal Pell pays the awful price for that neglect and cover up. It will take generations to recover.

  224. Baldrick

    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    That’s as stupid as asking the Catholic Church to apologise for our current crop of weasel mouthed politicans.

  225. Leigh Lowe

    England is the only country in the developed world – and for the first time in it’s history – where the generation approaching retirement is more literate and numerate than the youngest adults, according to the first skills survey by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

    That is important.
    For the first time in millennia, there is no inter-generational improvement in standards.

  226. JC

    Serena at the Pub
    #2736098, posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    Anytime you think IQ matters, attend a Mensa gathering. You’ll be left with a healthy contempt for “IQ”

    Friends were telling us about the peculiarities of one of their very high IQ friends – a South African. She told them that she sat for some Mensa test and was told hr IQ was one of the highest ever tested. She’s out of the ballpark crazy too even though she’s a neurosurgeon.

    These friends like to ride motor cycles all over the world. This time they took a ride in country Victoria. Mensa girl went for lessons and came away telling everyone she loves to ride vast fast. She was way out in front of the others during the ride. She took a turn and ended up literally on top of a hill. I saw the photo and couldn’t understand how she hadn’t killed herself and only walked away with bruising. The bike was up a steep hill!

  227. However, the Church has made some horrific judgement calls in allowing predatory queers and p edos into the clergy, then failing to clean them out and press charges when identified.Not just here but also worldwide including Rome

    Yes, as have all the others investigated. Do you think State schools were asking police to charge teachers caught in trists in the 1970s or just demanding them to clear their desks by close of business that day?

  228. OldOzzie

    CHRIS KENNY
    Donald Trump gets Kim Jong-un to the table … but he still can’t win

    Much of the commentary about what has transpired in Singapore — in fact, much of the commentary in the lead up to it as well — has been warped and twisted by people’s prejudices about Donald Trump. The Trump boosters are foolishly talking about instant success and Nobel Peace Prizes. But the overwhelming majority of the media/political class, who see Trump as an affront to their judgment and values, are too quick to write off the potential gains.

    Getting a fix on the motivations of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has long been a conundrum for foreign policy practitioners the world over. Preserving the Kim dynasty is believed to be the driving ambition and their militaristic focus is seen as the best way to guarantee that the family dictatorship will continue. The nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missile programs fall neatly into that narrative.

    Yet driving all of this is the paranoia of a hermit kingdom that has yet to resolve a war from more than half a century ago and has enemy forces, from the US and Republic of Korea, lined up across the heavily fortified border and demilitarised zone. A brutal, isolated and strange country, the DPRK defies easy description. But clearly, improving the lot of its people has not been a priority for many decades.

    I visited Pyongyang in 2004 as a staffer with then-foreign minister Alexander Downer. A year earlier I had stepped onto the North Korean side of the border in the treaty/talks village of Panmunjom – with DPRK soldiers over one shoulder and a ROK soldier in front of me the tension was palpable but did nothing to prepare me for the weirdness of the capital.

    There were few cars on the roads, even fewer bicycles, as most people were seen walking in drab grey uniforms. We saw pedestrians trudging along on the edges of the freeway to the airport, night and day, kilometres from the nearest village or town. At night most homes were dark or had a single light globe visible.

    The capital had all the flair and light you might have imagined when reading George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. Indeed, the drab, orderly and often empty streets of the fictional Gilead, as seen in the television drama The Handmaid’s Tale, are redolent of my experience. The Juche tower dominated the city — a monument to the nation’s bizarre political ideology. Billboards denouncing America were on display, the likes of which I had only ever seen in Iran. They were replete with missiles and ominous military themes; while I couldn’t read the characters the messages were obvious. North Korea was under threat and on alert.

    We stayed in an official guesthouse and the only television programs were black and white propaganda films. Again, language was no barrier, as I watched a young student’s life fall apart because he dared to think of pursuing personal dreams.

    Sandwiched between the industry, prosperity, liveliness and increasing openness of South Korea and China, this country has been a tragic sideshow. Its oppressed, hungry and impoverished people pay a high price for their ruthless and obsessive dictatorship’s delusional world view.

    So what has Trump done by shaking hands with Kim Jong-un and proudly proclaiming to the world that they trusted each other and were going to deliver a new era of peace and prosperity? Well, he has definitely given North Korea another chance to come to heel and the world another chance at peace in North Asia, where powerful economic and strategic interests intersect.

    Let’s be clear, the Singapore summit happened because of Trump’s bellicose rhetoric and hairy-chested interventions. His aims were the same as those espoused by previous presidents, he was just unconventionally frank about his whip hand — American military might. His open threats and unpredictable nature certainly would have created nervousness in Pyongyang. But perhaps more importantly, he backed this up by winning Chinese and UN support for tougher sanctions. China has been crucial but Trump also deserves some credit for getting them to do more.

    So while the never-ending procession of Trump media critics were accusing Trump of bringing us closer to nuclear war last year, the strategy of bringing the DPRK to the table was clear. It worked.

    Giving such an evil dictator a shared platform with a US president is a prize in itself that shouldn’t be too easily granted. But previous presidents who spent most of their time under the agreed framework, six-party talks and strategic patience doctrines trying to accommodate Pyongyang were in no position to offer talks — it would have appeared weak. It would have been rewarding inaction.

    The difference with Trump is that his frightening tub-thumping allowed him to offer talks — it changed the dynamic so the talks occurred less as a reward and more as a desperate attempt to avert a crisis. The diplomatic rule book was tossed aside again, and the result wasn’t too bad. It gave peace at least something of a chance.

    The upshot now is that the very same critics who said Trump was too tough and was pushing towards war now say he has given away too much and legitimised a cruel dictator. Trump will never do anything right in their eyes.

    The President’s press conference yesterday was extraordinary; long, rambling and freewheeling. I watched it wincing about where his personal asides and grand overstatements might take us. Yet he was very clear about the outcome. He expects swift action on denuclearisation or all deals are off. It is no surprise that detailed verification procedures and timelines were not announced — this is not the stuff for a leaders’ summit but for the officials to action.

    Apart from the gift of sharing a world stage, the solitary concession Trump seems to have given is a pause in war games. Again this is being criticised as too much and there are complaints that ROK and Japan were not given a heads up. This is criticism for criticism’s sake — of course such concessions cannot be flagged ahead of time for fear of undermining a bargaining chip.

    The point is that it is not a major concession — Trump would be mindful that he needed Kim to be able to claim something. Indeed Kim has returned to Pyongyang and trumpeted this as an immediate benefit. And Trump has reaffirmed the war games will resume immediately if there are any problems — stressing also that troop deployments and sanctions remain in place.

    So, can Trump claim a historic victory? Not yet. It is all about the implementation. Only if denuclearisation goes ahead and is completely verifiable can the summit be deemed a success. And there is much more to be resolved on the road to peace, including removing threatening conventional weapons, opening up the North Korean economy and working out how to guarantee the security of South Korea and Japan if any US troops are eventually withdrawn.

    This drawn-out, complex and often frustrating saga has a long way to go. Pessimism and scepticism are useful starting points in any assessment. But there are a couple of fundamental points that might allow just a hint of optimism. Previous deceptions have not been played out so much by Kim but by his father. So, given we have two new and untested leaders, the results could be different. Also the very history of deception and denial surely means the US cannot and will not be fooled again. Either Kim will comply or he will not. And he has no idea what Trump might do if he doesn’t.

    Then there is Kim’s end game — survival. Perhaps — and we all might hope this is the case — he has come to realise that his dynasty cannot last if his country is poor and isolated and his people are hungry and resentful. Just maybe this younger leader has realised — in part thanks to sanctions — that the only way for the Kim dynasty and North Korea to survive is for it to join the world rather than be at war with it. Let’s hope so.

  229. thefrollickingmole

    I share peoples pain* about the fish.

    Im agonizing over whether to walk 250m to the beach and catch some whiting tonight or wait till the weekend and drive 10km to catch some snapper or mulloway.
    I suppose theres also the option of going to the shiploader after hours, but its so hard to get a line on the bottom was the fish attack it on the way down.
    Between that and having to throw back 20 undersize for every keeper, I feel your pain*

    *this is probably entirely untrue

  230. JC

    A few years ago I was at a conference at that wedding-cake hotel at Brighton-le Sands. At lunchtime, I eschewed the smorgasbord (!) and went downstairs to find a Greek chippie. Picked out some flathead fillets, cooked on the spot, with big, fat chips

    Think nothing of it, Joh. Everyone goes to weddings, avoids the meal and heads to the fish&chip shop or the local for a counter. It’s become the fashionable thing to do these days and the wedding party really appreciates the thought.

  231. Zatara

    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    Will he go on to apologise for the “despicable” actions of the Muslim faith?

    Female genital mutilation? Honour killings? Faith based murders?

    If not he needs to STFU because he certainly doesn’t speak for the Catholic Church.

  232. Makka

    dover, I get it that the Church is being victimized for punishment. I get it that it’s hypocrisy appeasing the filth. I still have faith in the Church and Our Lord.

    BUT, I really do wish fervently the Church had done and will do more to remove this vile sickness. Too much good is being ignored and dismissed because of it.

  233. Delta A

    England is the only country in the developed world where the generation approaching retirement is more literate and numerate than the youngest adults

    It’s not the only country.

    Standards in literacy and numeracy have been plummeting in Australia for two generations.

  234. Chris

    Another few words–for when the first two don’t seem to work–might be emergency liposuction teams.

    How do you circumcise a whale?

    Send down four skindivers.

  235. Makka

    Yes, as have all the others investigated. Do you think State schools were asking police to charge teachers caught in trists in the 1970s or just demanding them to clear their desks by close of business that day?

    Yes, I get it dover. It stinks I agree. I just wish the Church had done more to rid itself of this vile sickness. Too much good is being ignored or dismissed because of it.

  236. candy

    The Social Services Minister says the Prime Minister will be apologising for the “despicable” actions committed by the Catholic Church.

    That this Apology happens while indig. children are abused is ironic really.

    I imagine it will steam up the hatred of the Catholic Church even more if it’s not handled properly. Big hate the micks atmosphere in Australia. It’s more “socially acceptable” to say you are a Muslim than a Catholic.

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