Wednesday Forum: June 13, 2018

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  1. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2737390, posted on June 15, 2018 at 7:58 am

    It is absolutely farqing outrageous that Christians, let alone other religions, have been killed tortured and harrased out of fucking muslim countries.

    erdogan wants a farquing challenge of the crest and the Cross.

    Not a farqing problem you xunt.

    Not if you had the ordering of this world, alas you are not.
    So much the pity.
    Rabz them all.

  2. herodotus

    Fox News via Sky will be essential viewing today.

  3. John Constantine

    Allowing activist groups within the State police force to:

    “We police our own interests”

    Can produce lower crime rates, as some criminals are protected and diverted from prosecution.

    Eventually, moral relativism policing means telling people that they are not stealing, only evening up with thieves that stole from your group anyway, means telling people that wives can be beaten and raped, as long as the bruises don’t show in public.

    Not prosecuting predators from within a group means handing the group’s vulnerable over for predation.

    But the arrest figures are politically correct.

    Comrades.

  4. herodotus

    The IG report looks pretty soft so far. Some of the littler guys will take the small fall, while the FBI generally gets some Starbucks-style “training”.

  5. feelthebern

    I’m flat chat today, but will watch Tucker later on.
    Hannity will be unbearable today.

  6. pete m

    The IG report is mostly bureau babble saying better policies. Never thought it would say go again after Clinton.

    Again the pathetic excuse – they didn’t mean to release secret emails.

    China and Russia are laughing their guts out.

  7. feelthebern

    One World Government, is it true that you are actually Alex Jones?
    You do have his Dragon Energy to post for 36 hours straight.

  8. Mark A

    OT
    $22 for an ebook to be released? next in a series from Modesitt so I bought it.
    SciFi fan here can’t help. Release from the daily grind.
    OT/

  9. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1204

    It may not have worked for Nixon, but it’s a different time.

    For the fascist left, the time is always Watergate.

    Good to see you keeping the faith, running dog lackey of the fascist left establishment.

    Just say five times daily “It is all a vast right wing conspiracy, worse than Watergate. Trump must go. Hillary can still be president”, and hug your security blankie, and all will be well.

  10. Farmer Gez

    Give our super elegant skeletal Foreign Minister a break.
    Have you seen the naff gear Kim gets around in.
    I mean, really!

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2737391, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:02 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2737390, posted on June 15, 2018 at 7:58 am

    It is absolutely farqing outrageous that Christians, let alone other religions, have been killed tortured and harrased out of fucking muslim countries.

    erdogan wants a farquing challenge of the crest and the Cross.

    Not a farqing problem you xunt.

    Not if you had the ordering of this world, alas you are not.
    So much the pity.
    Rabz them all.

    But I will fly my own flag.

  12. C.L.

    The IG report looks pretty soft so far.

    Are you reading the same reports as I am?
    See the ongoing revelations at GWP and Ace of Spades.
    This was a massive conspiracy of illegal obstruction and partisanship.
    Trump stands on the rubble of the FBI this morning, utterly vindicated.

  13. Mark A

    C.L.
    #2737402, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:13 am

    The IG report looks pretty soft so far.

    Are you reading the same reports as I am?
    See the ongoing revelations at GWP and Ace of Spades.
    This was a massive conspiracy of illegal obstruction and partisanship.
    Trump stands on the rubble of the FBI this morning, utterly vindicated.

    Admittedly only reading the summary on the train home but I can’t see much damage so far, I wish I did.

  14. C.L.

    Are you wearing your glasses?

  15. OldOzzie

    Mark A
    #2737403, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:18 am

    C.L.
    #2737402, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:13 am

    The IG report looks pretty soft so far.

    Are you reading the same reports as I am?
    See the ongoing revelations at GWP and Ace of Spades.
    This was a massive conspiracy of illegal obstruction and partisanship.
    Trump stands on the rubble of the FBI this morning, utterly vindicated.

    Admittedly only reading the summary on the train home but I can’t see much damage so far, I wish I did.

    Guts,

    as Conservative Treehouse says

    FBI Director Chris Wray Press Conference – 5:30pm Livestream
    Posted on June 14, 2018 by sundance

    FBI Director Christopher Wray will be holding a 5:30pn press conference to discuss the issues and fallout from the DOJ Inspector General report released earlier today.

    Those reading the report will note the executive summary and conclusions were not written by the same IG officials who wrote the body of the investigative findings. The investigation doesn’t match the summary. The media is using the summary for their narrative; however the content within the IG report is entirely devastating.

  16. OldOzzie

    Oops – finger slip and bluury eyes – meant “Guys” not “Guts,”

  17. Snoopy

    Conservative Treehouse has the full report and gives this advice:

    Important note. Read, but don’t focus on, the “executive summary” or “conclusions”; those two sections were written by political administrators in FBI and DOJ leadership. Focus on the substance of the documented facts within the IG report. You’ll note the specific facts don’t support the “summary/conclusion”.

    The executive summary and the conclusions are for the benefit of the #FakeNews media.

  18. Top Ender

    Seeing as this is after all an economic blog, I have a question, with my own answers so far provided.

    Is making extra contributions to your super fund a good idea in your late middle age?

    Would appreciate other and wiser contributions…

    Reasons for:
    – at least you’re saving something
    – a super fund earns money

    Reasons against:
    – you pay income tax on earnings when you withdraw it (unless aged more than 65?)
    – you pay management fees
    – the fund may not be performing very well
    – investing in something else – eg: real estate asset improvement – may yield more

  19. Snoopy

    The IG’s report is another nail in the coffin of the MSM. The far right nut job hate blogs have been vindicated.

  20. OneWorldGovernment

    Gab

    If you want to further that girls life ask Rita P to get onto the Australian commissioner to Pakistan and say you are her godmother and are concerned for her and want her released to your custody.

    If they ask how are you the godmother just say that I told you that you are and get my name from the doom lord.

    If there is any problem anywhere then let me know through Sinc.

  21. OneWorldGovernment

    Top Ender
    #2737411, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:39 am

    who are you already with?

    thats the difference in answering your question.

  22. Baldrick

    Turnbull leaks more information on his quest to discredit the SAS:

    The Australian Defence Force has asked federal police to investigate a threatening letter sent to a member of the SAS.
    Defence says the threatening letter related to the soldier giving evidence to an inquiry into the conduct of Australian forces in Afghanistan.
    The inquiry, which has been running since May 2016, is headed by New South Wales Supreme Court Judge and Army Reserve Major General Paul Brereton.
    It has been examining claims of illegal actions committed by members of the Special Air Services Regiment and commando units during the 12-year conflict.
    Several high-level sources in the Defence community have confirmed to the ABC that Justice Brereton is nearing the end of his work and is soon expected to highlight a handful of cases where suspected homicide could be referred for further investigation.
    It is not known what incidents the concerns relate to, but sources have told the ABC that five cases involving alleged unlawful killings have been uncovered.

  23. Armadillo

    So Americas top enforcements agencies are prepared to leak in exchange for a baseball ticket and a free hotdog. Wow. I hope the Wussians don’t cotton onto this.

  24. Dr Faustus

    The cute parts of the IG report:

    – The Swamp is a swamp.

    – Comey accidentally fucked Hillary’s campaign because he thought she would win in a canter. The optics of Loretta Lynch’s tarmac meeting with the Bill the Misogynist were dreadful; so Comey dimly thought his ‘candour’ about potential ServerGate charges would deprive Trump supporters a potential opening to cry foul and spoil the triumphant election of President Clinton II.

    – Clinton herself escapes a recommendation for prosecution because her gross negligence conduct was insufficiently grossly negligent to pass the Prosecution of Senior Officials test [Gonzales: 2008]. Her conduct was not quite “so gross as to almost suggest deliberate intention” and fell “just a little short of wilful“.

    Hillary: Not Quite Wilfully Negligent. A splendid endorsement for 2020.

  25. Farmer Gez

    Hillary: Not Quite Wilfully Negligent. A splendid endorsement for 2020.

    At Hillary’s rate of decline, by 2020 an aide will be needed to wipe the drool off her chin.

  26. Boambee John

    OldOzzie at 0832

    Those reading the report will note the executive summary and conclusions were not written by the same IG officials who wrote the body of the investigative findings. The investigation doesn’t match the summary.

    Sounds like they borrowed some IPCC “scientists” to write the Executive Summary!

  27. Snoopy

    Is there any evidence which indicates Stabby is not on the Clinton payroll? There’s a hell of a lot of evidence to suggest she is.

  28. OneWorldGovernment

    Baldrick
    #2737415, posted on June 15, 2018 at 8:47 am

    Turnbull leaks more information on his quest to discredit the SAS:

    The Australian Defence Force has asked federal police to investigate a threatening letter sent to a member of the SAS.
    Defence says the threatening letter related to the soldier giving evidence to an inquiry into the conduct of Australian forces in Afghanistan.
    The inquiry, which has been running since May 2016, is headed by New South Wales Supreme Court Judge and Army Reserve Major General Paul Brereton.
    It has been examining claims of illegal actions committed by members of the Special Air Services Regiment and commando units during the 12-year conflict.
    Several high-level sources in the Defence community have confirmed to the ABC that Justice Brereton is nearing the end of his work and is soon expected to highlight a handful of cases where suspected homicide could be referred for further investigation.
    It is not known what incidents the concerns relate to, but sources have told the ABC that five cases involving alleged unlawful killings have been uncovered.

    Not a single soldier should ever leave Australia’s shores ever again.

    In fact, if any soldier, sailer or airman had any guts then they would walk out the door of this poofta led mob today.

  29. struth

    Once we get all this shit ncleared up and stert looking seriously into Clinton, there’ll be some clenched arseholes in the Australian parliament.
    Thank you Mr Trump.
    The old bull doesn’t run down to the cow paddock to jump a cow.
    He goes down slowly, and fucks them all.

  30. OldOzzie

    Renewables rush a risk to industry, warns Tomago – Ben Packham

    Australia’s biggest aluminium producer has warned that the ­nation’s industrial base will be at risk unless Malcolm Turnbull’s signature energy policy guarantees 24/7 power at internationally competitive prices, declaring that renewables are unable to deliver reliable and affordable power to energy-intensive users.

    Tomago chief executive Matt Howell yesterday expressed ­concern that the nation’s baseload capacity had been “hollowed out”, with coal generation ­replaced by unreliable energy sources that could not be economically “firmed” with gas or battery storage.

    The NSW-based company, which produces 593,000 tonnes of aluminium a year, last week experienced a high-risk shutdown of three potlines because of a sharp fall in energy availability.

    Mr Howell told The Australian the national energy guarantee must reverse the threat to baseload power.

    There are concerns inside the Coalition partyroom that the ­energy plan will freeze out coal-fired power.

    “We cannot, in our approach to this transition, lose sight of the fact that there are 24/7 baseload energy customers,” Mr Howell said. “And we have to make sure our grid can still provide energy to those customers at competitive prices, irrespective of the ­weather.”

    Manufacturing Australia chief executive Ben Eade, who ­represents some of the nation’s biggest employers including Tomago, BlueScope Steel, CSR, Dulux Group, Brickworks, ­Adelaide Brighton, Cement Australia and Rheem, said the NEG should “aim to reduce the shock and risk” to the nation’s biggest power consumers.

    Mr Eade backed the government’s work to address the “trilemma” of reliability, price and carbon emissions through the NEG, but added: “When you are a large trade-exposed industry, you need to be able to produce product that is competitive with the price of imports. So there is a sensitivity to anything that moves your key input cost higher than that of your trade competitor.”

    Mr Howell, whose company directly employs 1100 workers, said renewables were threatening the business model of conventional thermal generation, without an affordable option to “firm” the unreliable power sources for big users on overcast or windless days. He said battery storage was not viable for big energy users, noting that South Australia’s Tesla battery “would power us for about eight minutes”. The cost of energy from gas-fired peaking plants was also “way out of the ballpark”.

    “So our question is: in the ­absence of wind and solar and ­commercial reliable storage for energy-intensive industries, where does the energy come from for industries such as ours that need it every minute of the day? Where does it come from when the intermittent generators are simply not providing?”

    The Tomago plant, in the Hunter region, is Australia’s biggest single-point energy user. It has a long-term energy deal with AGL to supply the majority of the plant’s 970MW load until 2028.

    The smelter was forced to power down a potline on Tuesday last week, and two more on Thursday, when about 3800MW of coal-fired generation capacity was unavailable through planned and unplanned maintenance, coinciding with low solar generation and higher than usual demand from domestic energy users.

    Any shutdown of an aluminium smelter was risky, while unplanned outages could be catastrophic, Mr Howell said.

    “Something had to give, and that was us,” he said. “Now that is no way to run an energy system.”

    He warned that AGL’s scheduled closure of its Liddell power plant in 2022 would leave a shortfall in the volume of power available to the grid. “The concern that we have is the energy volume from Liddell in megawatt hours is not being replaced by an equal volume of energy in renewables,” he said.

    Resources Minister Matt Canavan, a supporter of coal-fired power plants, said coal remained the cheapest and most affordable option to deliver baseload power.

    “What we need is an approach that treats all energy sources equally, and then what the market will then deliver is the cheapest power to meet those reliability needs,” Senator Canavan said.

    “Now whether that is coal, solar gas or whatever, that will depend on the technology. But right now coal is the one that is the cheapest and most affordable, and that’s why we need to have a system that allows it to at least have a chance.”

    The central Queensland senator said if Labor won the election and introduced a 45 per cent cut to carbon emissions, coal would be unable to compete. Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg, the architect of the NEG, would not comment yesterday on concerns raised by major manufacturers.

    From the Comments

    – The game is to buy votes not industrial production capacity that generates wealth. The answer is so simple – just tax more and shift everyone into the public service.

    No problem with that is there?

    – I can’t understand why workers and trade unionists in heavy industry, mining, transport and manufacturing are happy to put their jobs on the line. When the next Green-Labor government is formed, renewable energy policies will spell the end of their jobs. Aluminium and other plants will be be unable to compete internationally and close down. Simple.

    – Turnbull and Frydenberg have to go. They don’t seem to able to get over their green bias in order to protect our industrial base.

    When the Energy Minister remains silent on manufacturers concerns we are really in trouble and if Labor gets in and goes for 50% renewables the country is doomed.

    Try to telll Turnbull, Frydenberg and Morrison. Between the three they have not one clue and they care even less.

  31. Boambee John

    Given his silence since the release of the IG report, can we assume that m0nty has accepted that it will not be the end of Trump?

    Shorter m0nty before the release: “It’s all OK, Comey wasn’t politicalky biased, just utterly incompetent. But everything bad he said about Trump was true.”

  32. OneWorldGovernment

    Where is the fat bitch that twinkles turnbull appointed.

    Fucking fat slob.

  33. OldOzzie

    Negative gearing a dog of a policy says Michael Sukkar

    Labor’s policy to crack down on negative gearing and double capital gains tax is a “dog of a policy” that takes an axe to the housing market instead of a scalpel, the assistant treasurer says.

    Michael Sukkar told 2GB Radio this morning that a report on the policy measures by property consultants RiskWise and Wargent Advisory — released earlier this week — shows Labor’s policy is a “risk.”

    “It highlights exactly what we have been saying and that is, if you enact Labor’s policy you really risk taking a sledgehammer to the market,” he said.

    “You risk that, particularly now where housing prices are cooling off in some areas. You will certainly put up rent, 37 per cent of people rent and you should never forget about those people.”

    Mr Sukkar said the Coalition’s measures announced in the budget, which include tightening investor loans and interest-only loans that were “increasingly used by investors” was a more delicate approach to “dial down heat in the market.”

    “Never have I suggested there wasn’t an issue with the really rampant growth we’ve seen,” Mr Sukkar said.

    “You don’t make a permanent change to hurt the housing market to address a short-term issue.”

    Mr Sukkar compared possibly changes in the market to “what we saw in the United States with the Global Financial Crisis.”

    “The last thing any economy wants to see is significant drops in house prices,” he said.

    “The consequences for confidence, not to mention for further investment in the housing market, are huge.”

    On personal income tax cuts, Mr Sukkar wouldn’t be drawn on whether the whole raft of measures would pass the senate but said he is confidence in the skill of Finance Minister Mathias Cormann.

    Mr Sukkar accused Labor of standing in the way.

    “Who on earth is standing up for the silent majority,” he said.

    “In this case, the silent majority are the ones who up at 6am and they get on the train or the road, they’re working hard … why should the government be reaching further and further into their pockets?”

  34. OneWorldGovernment

    OldOzzie
    #2737423, posted on June 15, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Renewables rush a risk to industry, warns Tomago – Ben Packham

    Australia’s biggest aluminium producer has warned that the ­nation’s industrial base will be at risk unless Malcolm Turnbull’s signature energy policy guarantees 24/7 power at internationally competitive prices, declaring that renewables are unable to deliver reliable and affordable power to energy-intensive users.

    That is bullshit and I am going to report the writer, the paper and the company.

    Our politicians and in particular our PM and decent truthful news reporting agencies of the Australian government have told us the truth that we are ALL GOING TO DIE.

    So that news report is false news and I will report it to google, facebook and just everyone.

  35. Farmer Gez

    Monty’s hope of a Trump impeachment is typical of the breed.
    The left like to portray the right as idealogues, when in fact we are utterly cynical attitude to all power structures.
    The left is the home of blind loyalty and unquestioning faith.

  36. Baldrick

    It is not known what incidents the concerns relate to, but sources have told the ABC that five cases involving alleged unlawful killings have been uncovered.

    I can’t wait for them to start investigating any Aussies involved in the bombing of Dresden.
    (Runs and hides)

  37. Infidel Tiger

    Not a word in the Australian media about the devastating IG report that showed the corrupt FBI tried to rig the election and that Comey, Hillary and Obama must go to jail.

  38. OneWorldGovernment

    I’d love to drop burning bales of tobacco on fucking so called parliament

  39. Roger

    Australia’s biggest aluminium producer has warned that the ­nation’s industrial base will be at risk…declaring that renewables are unable to deliver reliable and affordable power to energy-intensive users.

    Why are our, ahem, titans of industry so slow to catch on and speak up?

    Dismantling our industrial base, euphemistically termed decarbonisation of the economy, is the plan.

  40. Farmer Gez

    Sorry, get rid of attitude in the last bit.
    I’m working on one eye after getting crap in it the other day. Sore as hell.
    I’m off to shop for a new ute.
    Ranger perhaps.

  41. OneWorldGovernment

    In fact I’ll hire a helicopter in Canberra and piss on parliament from a great hight.

  42. OneWorldGovernment

    and throw a nazi flag and hammer and cycle and chinese flag down on the lot of them

  43. Roger

    Not a word in the Australian media about the devastating IG report that showed the corrupt FBI tried to rig the election and that Comey, Hillary and Obama must go to jail.

    Not quite…SMH, Herald Sun & even ABC are running it, although the latter is spinning it as favourably as it can.

  44. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’d love to drop burning bales of tobacco on fucking so called parliament

    Think of the litigation from those innocents suffering second hand and third hand smoke inhalation.

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The New Zealand Inter-Islander ship (big lettering on the side), not a cruise ship, is just going by us on the harbor. Last time we saw it was in Picton when we cruised NZ in December. Wonder what it is doing in Sydney; no shipworks in the harbor any more.

  46. How surprising. A woman was raped and murdered in Melbourne two nights ago. Today, we have ABC Radio organizing a bonfire of boys and men. It’s funny how on the one hand these same people want to deny gender differences and yet they want to make general claims against a particular sex.

  47. OldOzzie

    Liberal conservatives in strike at Christopher Pyne ally Trish Worth
    Former Howard government Trish Worth left parliament in 2004. – Simon Benson

    Conservative heavyweights will move to unseat a former Howard government MP from one of the party executive’s four vice-president positions, in a strike against the moderate faction at the Liberal Party annual federal council meeting this weekend.

    Senior conservative sources have confirmed to The Australian they will target federal vice-­president Trish Worth, who is aligned to moderate cabinet minister Christopher Pyne, in retaliation for what they claim have been continued public attacks on Tony Abbott.

    The move, on the eve of the two-day federal council meeting in Sydney, which begins today, was a signal to the party hierarchy that attacks on parliamentarians from the administrative wing would not be tolerated.

    The Australian understands intense lobbying of the 110 ­delegates to the council is still under way to muster numbers ­behind NSW conservative Teena McQueen. A conservative source said it was also partly designed to inject more conservative ballast on to the 15-member federal executive, which conservative powerbrokers claimed had been ­“infected” by NSW moderates.

    Colleagues of Malcolm Turnbull said they were not expecting trouble at the meeting — the last before the next election.

    Conservatives had earlier threatened to blow up the conference by rolling Liberal Party federal president Nick Greiner, a NSW moderate and former premier, if NSW moderates pushed ahead with plans to unseat conservative federal MP Craig Kelly from his southern Sydney seat of Hughes.

    That threat has since been withdrawn following a promise by powerbrokers to intervene and protect Mr Kelly. The Prime Minister also issued a public show of support for the rebel MP aligned to Mr Abbott.

    But The Australian has learned that a shadow campaign was under way to strike against Ms Worth this afternoon when party administrative positions are re-elected. Of the four vice-presidents, all have renominated. Ms McQueen’s nomination on the conservative ticket was aimed at unseating Ms Worth.

    Conservative forces claimed that the numbers were “tight” and it was not clear whether the challenge would succeed.

    A senior conservative source said: “My view is that most people would not realise this person is an elected member of the administrative wing of our party and she is out there bucketing Abbott. It is outrageous. A message has to be sent that this is unacceptable.’’

    Ms Worth launched a broadside against Mr Abbott in April claiming he was undermining the Prime Minister through his ­selfishness.

    “Anyone I talk to in the parliamentary wing sees him as a spoiler …. If I was a marginal-seat holder I would gather the others and tell him you’re hurting us,” Ms Worth said.

    It was one of several public comments Ms Worth had made.

    Last night, Ms Worth told The Australian that she expected to be re-elected. “I’d be surprised anyone would be attacking me over any public comments which have been very measured and never personal about Tony Abbott,” she said.

    Ms Worth said the party should be uniting behind Mr Turnbull to beat Labor, not fighting internal battles. “The enemy is the Labor Party, not within the Liberal Party,” she said.

    In a pitch to delegates, Ms McQueen, who is the president of the party’s Dobell federal executive conference, claimed to have been a party member for 30 years and in a veiled swipe at Ms Worth, said the executive was top-heavy with former MPs.

    Ms Worth was installed last year when the executive leadership was purged and Mr Greiner, who was backed by Mr Turnbull, was elected president.

    From the Comments

    Listen up Ms Worth, there is more than ONE enemy of the Liberal Party and the one I am thinking of is WITHIN. It is the Turnbull party. Time now for a fightback from delcons to restore the party to reality.

    – Calling Abbott “a spoiler”. These greedy grubs that don’t give a hoot for anyone else but themselves. Turnbull and his supporters are turning the lights out all over the nation. The whole lot of them have to go if anything is to change.

    – The so-called smartest man in the room failed to learn a critical lesson from Labor, the one about treating the office of the prime minister as some sort of prize in a game of revolving treachery. It always ends in tears. And for more than two years now Turnbull has failed to harness a productive relationship with his predecessor, in the best interests of the government – and the nation. Talk about dumb and dumber!

    But wait, there’s more on Turnbull’s watch : the loss of 14 lower house seats, the loss of 3 Senate spots, irreparable harm has been done to brand Liberal, irretrievable division of the support base, and Turnbull is the recruitment gift that keeps on giving to the AC. Have I missed anything, Trish Worth? Oh yeah : it looks like loser Newspoll number 34 will be posted on Monday ….. and Turnbull has now led the Coalition for its longest, lowest period of primary vote support in Newspoll history.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’m off to shop for a new ute.
    Ranger perhaps.

    Get it before Malcolm bans them, Farmer Gez.

  49. Baldrick

    Not a word in the Australian media about the devastating IG report that showed the corrupt FBI tried to rig the election and that Comey, Hillary and Obama must go to jail.

    TheirABC have a short puff piece for their poster-boy Comey, filled with buts …

    But inspector-general Michael Horowitz also concluded — in a long-awaited, 500-page report — Mr Comey did not exhibit any political bias in his actions or try to influence the election.
    But the report does not find evidence Mr Comey was motivated by political bias or preference in his decisions.
    “I do not agree with all of the inspector-general’s conclusions, but I respect the work of his office and salute its professionalism”, Comey said.
    He chastised Mrs Clinton for being “extremely careless” but said there was insufficient evidence to charge her with a federal crime.

  50. johanna

    Top Ender, OWG is right – it depends a lot on what super fund you are with, and also on what your post retirement plans are.

    You need to do your sums and work out what the benefit of putting more money in will be. For example, I was in one of the most generous super funds around – the Commonwealth fund, the CSS. For every dollar I put in, they put in two. But when I did the sums, if I took a pension it would bring me about $100 a week, slightly more if I upped my contributions. So I cashed out the lump sum, paid off the house, and had enough left over for almost 20 years worth of $100 a week, assuming I didn’t invest the proceeds.

    I was not in the scheme long enough to get enough to live on as a pension.

    As has been noted here many times, superannuation funds’ assets are honeypots which are constantly being circled with greedy eyes by governments and grifters of all stripes. If you are planning to leave your money in there, be aware that it could be devalued in numerous ways by governments changing the rules or shonky investments.

    If your fund allows you to cash out when you retire, there is no downside to putting a bit more in (assuming that you are retiring fairly soon.)

    But if you are looking at getting a pension, I would put that extra money somewhere else.

    Just my 2c worth. 🙂

  51. OneWorldGovernment

    merely a suggestion but any re-presentative you voted for who does not re-present your wishes then why not burn that person to death.

    wouldn’t that be democracy?

  52. Baldrick

    Get it before Malcolm bans and the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals introduce a carbon tax on them, Farmer Gez.

    Fixed.

  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Turnbull has now led the Coalition for its longest, lowest period of primary vote support in Newspoll history.

    Green-Left Turnbull must go. Obvious. Except to the Party-Room supporters.
    At the very least there needs to be a Party-Room revolt against his ruinables policies.
    And that stupid woman leading the Libs in Queensland? Unbelievable anti-coal mantra.
    A gift to Pauline Hanson, but how ridiculous can the Libs get with Green-Leftism???

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Abbott WON BIGTIME because of his stance on the climate fraud and carbon tax.
    When will the politicians get it? They are on a hiding to nowhere with this climatic fantasy.

  55. OneWorldGovernment

    Eliminate GST.

    Let the stupid states have their own State Sales Tax.

  56. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    Italy digs in to stop the boats

    French President Emmanuel Macron’s hypocrisy is not helping as Europe confronts a fresh migrant influx from across the Mediterranean. Mr Macron is a key EU leader, and his attack on the plan of Italy’s new government to stop the boats and deport 500,000 migrants is undermining the solidarity Europe needs if it is to avert another crisis such as that of three years ago, when 1.8 million illegal immigrants poured in.

    Mr Macron’s condemnation of Italy for refusing to allow the Aquarius, carrying 629 would-be migrants from North Africa, to drop them at an Italian port underlined France’s failures. Italy has taken in 650,000 migrants in three years, becoming what new Interior Minister Matteo Salvini terms “the refugee camp of Europe”. Those found to be genuine refugees were to have been moved to other European nations to spread the burden. Most countries, however, could not slam the door fast enough. In 2015, France agreed to accept 9816 people. So far it has taken 640, leaving Italy with the rest.

    Despite Italy’s new government winning office on its pledge to halt the flood, Mr Macron expects it to accept whoever lobs on its shores. Senior Vatican figures, out of touch with their Italian flock, also are against the new policy. But the Italian government is determined and has cancelled meetings with senior French leaders.

    Mr Macron also is ignoring rising momentum in the EU, led by Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who is forming an “axis of the willing” aimed at terminating German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s damaging open-door migration policy. But a major rift also has opened in her ruling coalition, with Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, a Bavarian conservative, supporting the “axis of the willing”. Another summer of mass migration would be disastrous.

  57. struth

    OWG, I think your analysis of Kelly is quite correct to a degree.

    But it’s always interesting to note that both sides on the issue are quite passionate, hinting at a still to be seen English/Irish “grating”.
    For my view, he was of course persecuted by the police and the system, although many of the police were indeed Irish background, and hated for joining the “coppers”.
    Australia, not the USA had the largest Irish Immigration and also convict population and the tensions were obvious from that history at Ned’s time.
    He was a hothead, and a typical impulsive, act now, think later Irishman (Irish background) and I would suggest there never was a “protectorate of the Irish” as there was a protectorate of the aboriginal people.
    The English ruling class hated catholics as we see they still do today with Pell.
    Is Pell’s trial fair?
    What would Ned have thought about it?
    The cops were after Ned.
    The Kelly’s were seen as trash and a menace by the authorities.
    Yet not by the people who lived in the district who supported the gang though they were also hounded by the cops.
    In all arguments, those against Kelly just sight that he killed coppers and (without proof) claim it was done in cold blood.
    The Stringybark creek murders was in response to a bastard copper going solo around the Kelly’s hut.
    They were chasing him and they were armed.
    Well may we look at the only version of events that we had from the actual scene, that of the escaped cop, who never stated at all, that Kelly shot anyone who wasn’t pointing a gun at him first.
    Ned Kelly was a crack shot, a crack horse rider and stood tall for the day at six feet.
    It’s all very well to look back in hindsight and call him a common crook from the comfort of the 21st century, but I find the history of the times far more interesting and see Kelly a result of that.
    I see him as no hero.
    Just an angry young man who may have had every right to be so, but wasn’t going to get anywhere taking on the approach he took.
    I find the Kelly story fascinating for other reasons.
    It is a study of Australia past and boy, are those tensions still with us today.

    They were evident during the call up to arms of WW1 when the pommie part of our society thought the Irish descendants wouldn’t enlist in the huge numbers they did.
    It kept going into our schools and jobs market catholics need not apply, right through my parents youth and we see Pell today and the terrible white man syndrome that the English toffs and politically elite white men seem to be able to not be tarred with.

  58. OneWorldGovernment

    When are we going to withdraw ALL funding from South Australia and let the shit of a joint disappear up its own fundamental?

  59. OldOzzie

    Josh Frydenberg issues blunt warning to energy retailers – Rick Morton

    Energy retailers will see “more intervention” from the federal government if they don’t sort out major issues with the market such as prices and reliability, Josh Frydenberg says.

    The Energy Minister issued a blunt warning to the sector this morning after the release of a new report from the Australian Energy Market Commission which shows public trust in retailers has hit record lows.

    “My message to the retailers is unless they get prices down and they pick up their act, you will see more intervention because that is what the public will demand of their political leaders,” Mr Frydenberg told ABC Radio National.

    “The National Energy Guarantee is a way to avoid further intervention. It will produce better outcomes but it is not a silver bullet in itself. You have to take action in the gas market, in the network market and with the retailers.

    “Now I would point out that the ACCC is providing a report to the Treasurer at the end of this month which will be very significant because he (ACCC chairman Rod Sims) has taken a very close look at the retail space, at the profit margins of the retailers and how we can get simple and comparable information to customers.”

    Mr Frydenberg also lashed AGL specifically, which owns the Liddell coal-fired power station in NSW, after reports in The Daily Telegraph today that it is moving to import gas into Australia in 2020 just as international prices are predicted to rise again.

    The company signed a major export deal more than two years ago which has pushed domestic gas prices higher.

    “What AGL did was a very, very poor decision,” Mr Frydenberg told Sky News. “They have a lot of explaining to do to their customers because their customers are paying more for their gas than they should have been had AGL decided not to export that amount of gas.”

    Mr Frydenberg said there is “no doubt” that policy paralysis over a decade-and-a-half of Australian governments has led to less investment in the sector.

    “The political class has delivered policy uncertainty because of the hyper-partisanship on climate and energy policy in the parliament,” he said.

    “There are two main reasons prices have gone up. First, because of a gold plating of the networks which occurred during the term of the previous Labor government and that is 50 per cent of the public’s bill.

    “The second reason is because the wholesale component of the bill went up dramatically over 2016 and 2017 and that was fuelled by the closure of coal-fired power stations and the rise in gas prices.

    “Again, we have intervened in the domestic market, more gas is now available, we’ve put a restriction on coal-fired power stations closing without sufficient notice periods and as a result the wholesale price of power is down around 30 per cent over the last six months on the same period a year ago.

    “We are delivering the turnaround we are starting to see in prices.”

    Both Mr Frydenberg and the Prime Minister told former leader Tony Abbott his idea to compulsorily acquire the Liddell coal-fired power station in NSW does not fit the ideals of the market and is “anti-Liberal.”

  60. C.L.

    How surprising. A woman was raped and murdered in Melbourne two nights ago. Today, we have ABC Radio organizing a bonfire of boys and men.

    I understand the culprit is retarded.
    Of course, there is another alleged rape – also involving an aspiring comedian – but the ABC has dropped that from its news cycle.
    Odd.

  61. johanna

    Yup, Old Ozzie, the EU is being torn apart over immigration. Mama Merkel’s invitation in 2015 was the stone that started the avalanche. Ironic, huh?

    Fact is, importing hundreds of thousands of uneducated, unskilled opportunists from the Third World is now about as popular as herpes among voters in Europe and the UK.

    Losing Italy was a massive blow to the unelected facilitators of this invasion. With every loss, they are painted into a smaller and smaller corner.

    What’s more, Turkey’s Erdogan, whose dangling appendage they have all been sucking like poddy calves, has now come out and said what was always the case – it’s another war of Islam against Christianity.

    And still that doofus Pope comes out in favour of more immigration – but not into the Vatican City, of course. As with the walled compounds of American liberals who oppose Trump’s wall – that’s different.

  62. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zulu, re your rellie’s wartime diaries and the difficult revelations in them. Firstly, he may have got it wrong and simply be reporting rumour or what he thought was happening, not what actually did happen. The mind plays funny tricks sometimes when under stress. Secondly, he may have been big-timing himself (he thought) perhaps as a means of dealing with his wartime problems. Thirdly, families do have secrets that are innuendo and rumour and similar things, and many families just keep these to themselves.

    Your options are to leave his diaries in a safe place for later generations, more distanced, to assess and act on if they wish; or release them to a competent historian if you feel justified in doing so, not breaking an old confidence, and if you think they would be fairly dealt with, perhaps anonymously. Or lose them, because that war is long gone and this is just old coals. Your choice. I think I’d just disregard them for the present, but keep them for their historical worth.

    What my old grandad used to call the bob-each-way option.

  63. OldOzzie

    IG Report: FBI Officials Accepted Bribes From Media…

    On Page Xii of the IG report the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General (DOJ-OIG) highlights numerous FBI officials who accepted bribes from multiple media outlets including: “tickets to sporting events”, “golf outings”, “drinks and meals” as well as exclusive invitations and admission to “nonpublic social events”.

    The OIG investigative finding was disturbing enough to launch a separate set of investigations that will be included in follow-up reports.

    IG REPORT – We identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters. Attached to this report as Attachments E and F are two link charts that reflect the volume of communications that we identified between FBI employees and media representatives in April/May and October 2016. We have profound concerns about the volume and extent of unauthorized media contacts by FBI personnel that we have uncovered during our review.

    In addition, we identified instances where FBI employees improperly received benefits from reporters, including tickets to sporting events, golfing outings, drinks and meals, and admittance to nonpublic social events. We will separately report on those investigations as they are concluded, consistent with the Inspector General Act, other applicable federal statutes, and OIG policy

    The harm caused by leaks, fear of potential leaks, and a culture of unauthorized media contacts is illustrated in Chapters Ten and Eleven of our report, where we detail the fact that these issues influenced FBI officials who were advising Comey on consequential investigative decisions in October 2016.

    […] We do not believe the problem is with the FBI’s policy, which we found to be clear and unambiguous. Rather, we concluded that these leaks highlight the need to change what appears to be a cultural attitude among many in the organization. (link to pdf – page Xii of executive summary).

  64. Senile Old Guy

    Abbott WON BIGTIME because of his stance on the climate fraud and carbon tax.

    …but introduced a carbon tax by stealth through regulation.

    And backed down on every major issue that got him elected, caving in to LNP left wingers.

  65. Pete of Perth

    Re Frydenburger & energy companies.. These parliamentary pricks created the problem in the first place.

  66. Herodotus

    Frydenberg’s “blunt” warning is just that. It will not cut through.
    Commenters at The Oz are not impressed, nor should they be.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    that doofus Pope

    Nor is he speaking out about that poor woman on death row in Pakistan simply for being a Christian.
    He is such a fraud.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And backed down on every major issue that got him elected, caving in to LNP left wingers.

    All true. However that doesn’t alter the fact of what the people wanted from him, what they voted for, and how disgruntled they felt when they didn’t get it. Malcolm is living in la la land on matters climatic.

  69. Mater

    And still that doofus Pope comes out in favour of more immigration

    It’s a strange world when the Pope supports more immigration, yet the Dalai Lama says there are “too many”.

  70. Senile Old Guy

    A death sentence for bacon.

    A man who placed bacon on the doors of a Bristol mosque has died in prison while serving a 12-month sentence. Kevin Crehan was sentenced at Bristol Crown Court in July for racially-aggravated public disorder. Rashers of bacon were placed on the door handles of the Jamia mosque in Totterdown in January. A prison service spokesperson confirmed the 35-year-old’s death on Tuesday at HMP Bristol and said an independent investigation was under way.

    Would it be surprising if Tommy Robinson ended up the same?

  71. C.L.

    I cannot fully convey my utter loathing for Malcolm Turnbull and his “team” for what they are doing to our special forces. Twenty years ago, little Johnny Howard – that phony, revolting midget – began dispatching them to wars around the world to fight terrorists. They did – and how. They killed the living daylights out of anything terrorist they came across. Real warriors, real heroes, real Diggers. They buried many of their brothers. Now, the War Against Muslim Terrorism is running down, is no longer the epochal thing it used to be. Politicians are bored with it. And so the very same Liberal Party goes to war against those same men; slanders them; leaks against them; sets the police on them; tries to wreck their esprit de corps; plans to make an example of them and offer them up to feminist and Islamic lobbyists. This will never be forgotten. I will never vote Liberal again.

  72. C.L.

    IG: One senior FBI agent has been exposed declaring he will use his guns in the street ‘if Trump is elected.’

  73. struth

    Pope commo the first, is another example of the left’s march through he institutions to wreck the joint.

    Christianity must be smashed, as the family.
    Marxism 101

  74. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pope Francis: Poverty ‘Caused by Selfishness, Pride, Greed and Injustice’
    Pope Francis asserted in a message released by the Vatican Thursday that poverty is not the natural condition of man but is always the fruit of someone else’s sin.

    Looks like the old goat has been delving into the Holy Book of Marx again.

  75. Baldrick

    “My message to the retailers is unless they get prices down and they pick up their act, you will see more intervention because that is what the public will demand of their political leaders,” Mr Frydenberg told ABC Radio National.

    The Stupid.Fucking.Liberals think they’re going to win votes by blaming energy retailers for the mess they caused with their RET and Ruinable Energy subsidies.

  76. struth

    A man who placed bacon on the doors of a Bristol mosque has died in prison while serving a 12-month sentence. Kevin Crehan was sentenced at Bristol Crown Court in July for racially-aggravated public disorder. Rashers of bacon were placed on the door handles of the Jamia mosque in Totterdown in January. A prison service spokesperson confirmed the 35-year-old’s death on Tuesday at HMP Bristol and said an independent investigation was under way.

    This will cause the MSM to squeal with outrage by not covering it at all.

  77. C.L.

    Pope Francis asserted in a message released by the Vatican Thursday that poverty is not the natural condition of man but is always the fruit of someone else’s sin.

    Where the sin is socialism and the command economy, yes – that’s right.

  78. pete m

    ok here is a summary that says “damning”:

    but I don’t see it quite like that

    I guess the judgment of Hillary by an almost impossible high standard not known to law is important.

    The rest is why it is called a swamp.

  79. pete m

    Dear Pope,

    people are poor in developed world entirely due to their own actions or as a result of born / acquired disabilities. to blame anyone else is sinful. confession must be a terrible burden for you

    .

  80. C.L.

    We can say quite truly that advocating socialist economic policy is a sin.
    That evidence is in and it’s incontestable.

  81. struth

    I too must point to the utter loathing I have for the Liberal party.
    I did not last time and will NEVER vote for the Liberal party.
    Why would I?
    They are left wing and told me my vote for them doesn’t matter.
    Bernardi’s far from perfect but he’ll be getting all my support, until I start of the Struth for PM movement.
    (I need an attack dog 2nder so I can maintain me statesman like image. You up for it, OWG?)

  82. Of course, there is another alleged rape – also involving an aspiring comedian – but the ABC has dropped that from its news cycle.
    Odd.

    Yes, odd, indeed.
    But going back to my point, the ABC are using this as a batton to smash boys and men. Jon Faine is now saying that we must make our streets safe for women to walk home in even in the middle of a metropolis at 3am. That this rape and murder arises because of how men think and act towards women. In other words, that this is a social problem not simply an wicked act that may or may not have been exacerbated by the mental retardation of this particular individual. What we are seeing right now is the politicization of a single crime.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is making extra contributions to your super fund a good idea in your late middle age?

    Top Ender – both political camps have been socially engineering the superannuation system frenetically lately. This is unlikely to change. A bucket of money is a bucket of money.

    On that basis it is worth prognosticating where super is going based on the political fads of the day. One of these is the bias against lump sums. Another is raising the retirement age and the pension age.

    So it seems likely to me that collecting super will eventually be aligned with the pension age and lump sums banned except as an emergency (with severe strings attached). Thus any money you put in may get stuck, and even when access becomes available it would dribble out as a pension phase income stream.

    One of the political risks of lump sum payouts is that people might migrate to some place like NZ or the US, and therefore escape our enlightened masters. That would be made much harder if super was used as a golden chain.

    This is just a prognostication as I said. I have seen no signs yet that it could happen.

  84. John Constantine

    Geodynamics. the old flannery backed hot rocks company, has a new name:
    ReNu energy, the ruinables energy company.

    Today RNE announces it will have a capital raising, one for two at 1.2 cents a share.

    over 97% of graphs can show that 99% of the capital value of the company has evaporated since the senior figures of the Left began championing it.
    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180615/pdf/43vsr4hzv40crb.pdf

    No underwriter.

    Comrades.

  85. OldOzzie

    12 Things You Need To Know About The Inspector General’s DAMNING Report on The FBI’s Hillary/Trump Conduct

    1. FBI Agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok Texted About Stopping Trump.

    2. Comey Concluded That He’d Let Hillary Off In Spring 2016.

    3. Comey Watered Down His Draft Statement On Hillary Dramatically.

    4. Comey Is A Glory Hound

    5. The DOJ and FBI Changed The Law To Exonerate Hillary.

    6. The FBI Wildly Botched The Re-Opening Of The Hillary Case

    7. The FBI Agents Prioritized The Russia Investigation Above The Hillary Investigation Reopening.

    8. Comey Revealed The Reopened Investigation To Congress Because He Thought Hillary Was Going To Win, and He Wanted To Preserve Her Legitimacy

    9. Five Separate Agents Sent Pro-Clinton, Anti-Trump Texts — Many Of Which Implied Using Official Authority To Target Trump.

    10. Comey, Strzok, and Page Used Personal Email To Conduct FBI Business

    11. FBI Employees Leaked To The Press Regularly.

    12. Former Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik Should Have Recused

  86. Herodotus

    If no prosecutions of people at a high level result, then the report isn’t tough enough.

  87. Herodotus

    Meanwhile, New York Democrat Attorney launches diversionary lawsuit against Trump’s philanthropic fund and against particular family members. Timing is spot on.

  88. Delta A

    Pope Francis asserted in a message released by the Vatican

    MSM always eager to report this pope’s opinions. Rarely acknowledged previous popes.

  89. .

    poverty is not the natural condition of man

    I want to lurk, not comment, but this is too clickbaity not to.

    This Pope…might make me become and Anglican!

    Poverty, scavenging, death, disease and running away from beasts of the panthera genus is the natural condition of man.

    He obviously cares about the poor but he’s too urbanised. He should have worked on a farm, lived as a country kid and maybe did a stint in the armed services. Maybe a year taking after the desert fathers and living off the land…

    To misquote Obama…you didn’t build that blank state mother nature, mankind beat her savagely to create such accommodations as running, reliable, clean water and agriculture that made food so cheap and abundant that starvation is no longer evolutionarily relevant to us.

    Then again, he is misquoted regularly as to make the Vatican look like the corporate office of the Daily Kos (or Crikey!).

  90. Farmer Gez

    FMD!
    Jane Garrett (Labor) Steph Ryan (Nationals) on Jon Faine 774 ABC agreeing with Faine that Trump/Kim meeting was too showbiz and theatre on Trump’s part.
    You go girls, and I mean go.

  91. johanna

    Yes, having skimmed the Executive Summary and now wading into the IG report, it is indeed reminiscent of the tricks played by the IPCC.

    Good times!

    The report itself is flat in tone, very careful about assigning blame or motive, ‘just the facts, ma’am.’

    But, among the facts is that FBI staff were duchessed by media, with gifts and favours. Nothing to see here – move on!

    This week, we read a study about how Millenials have no loyalty to their employer, and valued ‘making a difference’ and so on above all else.

    These are the people now infesting our and the US security services.

    Meet Strzok and his girlfriend.

  92. Old School Conservative

    Senile Old Guy
    #2737469, posted on June 15, 2018 at 9:51 am
    A death sentence for bacon.

    A very chilling aspect from the link:
    The prison service has declined to give any further details of the circumstances of his death.
    If they ever do, it will be far too late for any meaningful response from the public. Swept under the carpet and pushed into the forgettery.
    Our descent into totalitarian disorder continues apace.

  93. cohenite

    I detest john laws but the thing is he has a lot of listeners.

  94. struth

    The natural condition of man can be seen when looking at a culture that had not advanced for thousands of years……….

  95. Cactus

    Top Ender – would investing extra in Super fund make sense?
    It kinda depends on how middle aged you are.
    Im 35 and there is no way in hell I would put anymore into Super than am forced to.

    My main concerns are to do with Government
    – Extra taxes on super
    – wealth taxes on super over certain balances
    – mandated investment in govt bonds/nation building projects
    – the government slowly lifting the retirement age to 70 then 75 then 80 and also meaning you cant access your super till then
    – if you have a self managed fund they can add audit fees etc to force you into industry funds

    By having my wealth outside Super I can cut and run to Singapore/HK/Japan/US when the government tries to loot.

    But I am 35 and have perhaps 15 governments between now and my retirement who will become increasingly desperate for cash.
    If you are 50 my answers might be different because you have much fewer governments in financial distress and much less chance of the great looting.

  96. struth

    White deaths in custody won’t be studied?

  97. Ah, I see Wingnut Christmas turned out to be a lump of coal. Oh well. You guys are pretending it’s Talking Elmo, but you’re just getting coal dust all over yourselves.

  98. johanna

    Herodotus
    #2737486, posted on June 15, 2018 at 10:10 am

    Meanwhile, New York Democrat Attorney launches diversionary lawsuit against Trump’s philanthropic fund and against particular family members. Timing is spot on.

    It has been reported for years that the Clinton Foundation broke every rule in the book. They failed to file legally required reports, they funneled money for other purposes, and so on. But, for some reason, they were never investigated, let alone prosecuted, in their base of New York.

    Fancy that!

  99. Old School Conservative

    To those planning their retirement funding, just one word of advice.
    Take much more into retirement than you think you will need.

    The gazillion curveballs that life throws your way cannot be estimated on even the most effective spreadsheet.

  100. H B Bear

    Fraudenberg sticks his tiny willy in the electricity dyke which continues to haemorrhage cash. Meanwhile AGL and the others will do what they always do, ignore Waffles and his election winning machine and line up to gouge on subsidies and gamed NEM markets will all cost passed straight through to consumers.

    Enjoy Opposition Lieborals.

  101. johanna

    Farmer Gez
    #2737489, posted on June 15, 2018 at 10:16 am

    FMD!
    Jane Garrett (Labor) Steph Ryan (Nationals) on Jon Faine 774 ABC agreeing with Faine that Trump/Kim meeting was too showbiz and theatre on Trump’s part.
    You go girls, and I mean go.

    Talk about the peanut gallery. Of course, these two geniuses could achieve World Peace if only someone would put them in charge.

    Sheesh.

  102. OldOzzie

    pete m
    #2737477, posted on June 15, 2018 at 9:57 am

    ok here is a summary that says “damning”:

    but I don’t see it quite like that

    Did you mean this link

    Hillary’s NOT Happy Over Report Of Comey Using Private Email For FBI Business. Here’s Her Three-Word Response.

  103. Old School Conservative

    Now here’s Russian meddling you can believe in.

  104. The natural condition of man can be seen when looking at a culture that had not advanced for thousands of years……….

    Not at all. There is nothing ‘unnatural’ about a cultured and civilized man. In fact, it is more the case that Man in precisely that state is more natural because he is exercising his powers more fully than where he is not.

  105. Senile Old Guy

    Their ABC:

    She’s the Foreign Minister renowned for self-discipline and her care with words. But Julie Bishop cut a little loose when she fronted the Australian British Chamber of Commerce on Thursday. Here are three moments when Ms Bishop gave us a surprisingly frank assessment of a world in great upheaval:

    Who cares? She is the ultimate air head. She has been a politician since forever and her most famous achievement is that she has done nothing of value.

  106. Baldrick

    Rebel Wilson June 2017:

    “It’s just really not about the number … what I was hoping was that the jury would do the right thing and send a message,” she said. “The reason why I’m here is not for damages, it’s to clear my name obviously.”

    Rebel Wilson June 2018:

    “Everybody knows I lost money after those maliciously defamatory articles were printed about me … But somehow the Court of Appeal have been absolutely flippant with regards to my economic loss.”

  107. Stimpson J. Cat

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    IG found that on numerous occasions, COMEY used a personal GMail account to conduct official FBI business, according to source briefed on the report.
    1:42 AM · Jun 15, 2018

    Hillary Clinton
    @HillaryClinton
    But my emails.
    5:36AM · Jun 15, 2018

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender … refer BoN at 10:04.
    There is the static question of whether there is an advantage in contributing to super under today’s rules.
    Investments are investments and gross returns and fees will be the same whether you invest inside our outside super, so the relativities on returns turn on tax treatment.
    The leverage of diverting money from salary to contributions plus a 15% tax on returns in super may be an advantage depending upon your marginal tax rate.
    But BoN is right.
    I assess the risk of money being stuck in super until you are over 60 and retired – during which time access rules may change significantly – as yuuuuge, and something very few financial advisors will address.

  109. Senile Old Guy

    The ABC:

    The photograph [that photograph] has emerged as the actions of Australia’s special forces in Afghanistan come under unprecedented scrutiny.

    That is, “unprecedented scrutiny” but the biased left wing organisation, the ABC. So far, all it has uncovered is vague rumours of nothing much at all.

    But it does provide an opportunity for the lamest of all PMs to virtue signal:

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull slammed the conduct of the soldiers who raised the flag, saying it was “completely and utterly unacceptable”.

    If you were in fear of your life, who would you turn to? The SAS guy who had the flag? Or the Windbag from Wentworth? Every time he opens his mouth, Lord Waffle demonstrates how utterly useless he is.

    The ABC has obtained two separate expert analyses of the photograph. Both concluded with a high degree of confidence — near certainty — that the image has not been digitally altered.

    If the experts actually said that, they are morons. The photo was saved as a jpeg, which necessarily involves digitally altering the original data: the jpeg artefacts are evident in the image. I think the experts meant that it has not been faked.

    Other than magnifying the image and cropping its exterior margins, the ABC has not edited or manipulated the photograph in any way.

    Noting that yesterday, on the Cat, a few of us noted that the image had been modified in this way (which involves digitally altering it).

    Their ABC, for facts you can’t rely on.

  110. Leigh Lowe

    The article linked to by Old Ozzie at 10:07 is a good first pass summary of the clusterfuck that is the FBI/DoJ.

  111. Fisky

    NeverTrumper John Podheretz on the IG report –

    John Podhoretz

    @jpodhoretz

    More
    Once again, as we read this, we should be aware that while the Deep State exists, it is full of morons.

  112. Anthony

    Did someone jump on Hillary as she was about to defend her emailing prowess? Looks like HRC is under house arrest. Winners are allowed to tweet, losers turn into fingerless hunchbacks.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    Where’s James Clapper this morning?
    He’s gone vewwy, vewwy quiet.

  114. JC

    Whack. Kimberly Strassel WSJ

    Don’t believe anyone who claims Horowitz didn’t find bias. He very carefully says that he found no “documentary” evidence that bias produced “specific investigatory decisions.” That’s different

  115. Confused Old Misfit

    dover_beach
    #2737503, posted on June 15, 2018 at 10:38 am
    The natural condition of man can be seen when looking at a culture that had not advanced for thousands of years……….

    Not at all. There is nothing ‘unnatural’ about a cultured and civilized man. In fact, it is more the case that Man in precisely that state is more natural because he is exercising his powers more fully than where he is not.

    I think we’re using natural in two different ways here.

  116. OneWorldGovernment

    struth
    #2737454, posted on June 15, 2018 at 9:29 am

    OWG, I think your analysis of Kelly is quite correct to a degree.

    struth

    I’m not sure what it was that I said to lead you to that conclusion but thank you.

    And look, we may be better to continue this by email which you are welcome to do.

    My Grandmother did grow up in Upotipotpon and Kate Kelly was one of the older ladies that lived there. I never knew where the place was until having a counter lunch in a pub in Wangaratta (had to get my licence endorsed for high country rescue vehicle stuff) and looked up and saw an old survey map and saw the name. There are only brick chimneys there now.

    Many of the Irish that came to Australia were some of the poorest of the poor. The Irish let alone the English were glad to get rid of them.

    When I look at the histories there were 3 diaspora of the Irish as it relates to Australia.

    The first was the original ‘out of Island’ and that generally landed them in the ports of Melbourne Portland or Geelong.

    The second part was to go into central to Northern Victoria and West into the Western Districts and over to Mt Gambia.

    The third part was when they opened up Griffith and surrounds. Hence you have Lee Kernaghan singing of ‘Bag Town’ which it really was. Hessian bags strung on wire between 2 sticks and plastered with mud and/or cement if you could get it. But that’s my other Grandma.

    My Grandmother at 15 was sent from Upotipotpon up around those areas because she knew how to read and write and she got a job near Barellan. (Evonne Gollagong country).

    My Grandfather after loading as much as they could carry on a horse drawn wagon left Quambatook and headed up to the same area where they subsequently met and married and went broke and moved back down near Kerang.

    Longstory but the Kelly story starts in Quambatook.

    You would nead to meet some family blokes in Townsville to get the guts. Or thats where I met them and we knew enough that I verified them.

    Both truckies so you should be able to check it easier than me. Tell them you were talking to a dumb bastard from down South many years ago and he laughed at how little much money I was earning. But I was up there to help me cousin who was having a hard time after Vietnam.

    Just ask who were the mad bastards that took 90 tonne of rail on a flat bed and tell em I finally dobbed them in. Their story of how they did it is worth listening to if nothing else.

    Cheers.

  117. Top Ender

    Super funds it’s complicated:

    Me: 20 years of Military Super
    + 10 years of NT Government
    + a few years of another commercial mob (SunSuper or something like that)

    Mrs TE: 12 years of NT Government
    + a few years of a commercial mob

  118. JC

    Very funny and true.

    Ben Shapiro
    ‏Verified account @benshapiro

    Basically, all these FBI agents were so convinced Hillary was going to win that they made a bunch of decisions that helped her lose.

  119. I think we’re using natural in two different ways here.

    I don’t doubt it. The way I used it above is better for the reason provided.

  120. jupes

    Justice Brereton is nearing the end of his work and is soon expected to highlight a handful of cases where suspected homicide could be referred for further investigation.

    We sent men to fight an enemy who disregarded all the Geneva conventions including the wearing of uniforms. When the enemy were captured, they were handed to the Dutch and in most cases released after a couple of days with a couple of hundred US dollars in their pocket to fight another day.

    Now we are paying legal parasites millions of dollars to scrutinise rumours that ‘civilians’ may have been shot by our blokes. This investigation has lasted over three years already and – as has been leaked – it will recommend ‘further investigation’ for homicide. You can guarantee that these further investigations will take several more years.

    So while not one second or cent is spent scrutinizing the actions of the enemy, these sanctimonious blowhards will spend years examining the actions taken by our troops in the heat of battle and / or high tempo operations. Whether or not the ‘further investigation’ leads to charges, these men are being hung out to dry. The process is the punishment. This rancid process is fully supported by the ADF top brass, the government and no doubt the legal profession who stand to make millions out of this.

    Fucking scum.

  121. OldOzzie

    JC to expand

    Insubordination and Bias at FBI
    The inspector general report is careful in its conclusions, but damning on the facts.

    By Kimberley A. Strassel
    June 14, 2018 7:16 p.m. ET

    Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s 500-page report covers plenty, but it can be distilled to two words he uses to describe the Federal Bureau of Investigation during the 2016 election: insubordination and bias. Two terms that are chilling in connection with such a powerful agency.

    That won’t be the message from Democrats and most of the press, who will focus on a few episodes they will claim cost Hillary Clinton an election. Watch for them to blame former FBI Director James Comey, whom the report faults for “a serious error of judgment,” for having “concealed information” from superiors, and for “violation of or disregard for” departmental and bureau policies.

    True, the report is damning about the man who lectures Americans on “higher loyalty.” It describes how an “insubordinate” Mr. Comey was, as early as April 2016, considering how to cut his Justice Department bosses from a public statement exonerating Hillary Clinton. He hid this scheme for fear “they would instruct him not to do it”—and therefore was able to “avoid supervision.” He then “violated long-standing Department practice and protocol” by using his July 5 press conference for “criticizing Clinton’s uncharged conduct.” In October, he made public that the FBI had reopened the investigation, even though the Justice Department recommended he not do so. Mr. Comey went rogue, and President Trump had plenty of justification in firing him in May 2017.

    Yet it is the report’s findings on the wider culture of the FBI and Justice Department that are most alarming. The report depicts agencies that operate outside the rules to which they hold everybody else, and that showed extraordinary bias while investigating two presidential candidates.

    There’s Loretta Lynch, who felt it perfectly fine to have a long catch-up with her friend Bill Clinton on a Phoenix tarmac and whom the inspector general slams for an “error in judgment.” Mr. Comey’s entire staff was complicit in concealing the contents of the July press conference from Justice officials. We discover that significant FBI “resources” were dedicated in October to spinning FBI “talking points” about the Clinton investigation—rather than actually investigating the new Anthony Weiner laptop emails the bureau discovered in September. We even find that Mr. Comey used personal email and laptops to conduct government work.

    There’s former Assistant Attorney General Peter Kadzik, who was tipping off the Clinton campaign even as he took part in the investigation, and who “failed to strictly adhere to [his] recusal” when he finally stepped away. Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe also did not “fully comply with his recusal,” and he’d already been found to have lied to the bureau about a leak to the media. Speaking of leaks, Mr. Horowitz needed full attachments and charts to list the entire “volume of communication” between FBI employees and the press. Not only did these folks have “no official reason to be in contact with the media,” but they also “improperly received benefits from reporters, including tickets to sporting events, golfing outings, drinks and meals, and admittance to nonpublic social events.”

    Be ready to hear the report absolves the FBI and DOJ of “bias.” Not true. It very carefully states that “our review did not find documentary or testimonial evidence directly connecting the political views these employees expressed in their text messages and instant messages to the specific investigative decisions we reviewed.” Put another way, he never caught anyone writing down: Let’s start this Trump investigation so we can help Hillary win.

    But the bias is everywhere. It’s in the texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and those of three other employees who are routinely “hostile” to Candidate Trump. It’s in Ms. Page’s freak-out that Mr. Trump might win the presidency and Mr. Strzok’s reply: “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.” It’s in a message from an unnamed agent in November 2016 who writes that although the FBI found Clinton aide Huma Abedin had “lied,” it doesn’t matter since “no one at DOJ is going to prosecute.” To which a second agent replies. “Rog—noone is going to pros[ecute] even if we find unique classified.”

    It’s in the Justice Department’s decision to cut deals with Mrs. Clinton and her staff and shelter them from a grand jury. And to agree to limitations in searching for and in devices. And in immunity agreements. The report is largely neutral on all this, giving officials the broad benefit of the doubt on “discretionary judgments made during the course of an investigation.” But it immediately follows that statement by noting that its job of evaluating the integrity of decisions was “made significantly more difficult” by the obvious bias among key players, which “cast a cloud” over the entire “investigation’s credibility.”

    The current FBI and Justice Department leadership can no longer justify its refusal to come clean on its other actions. A neutral arbiter has found they made a hash of the Clinton investigation, and it is reasonable to assume that those same players made a hash of the Trump probe. The sooner they acknowledge it, the sooner Congress can move to reform these agencies so that no such thing ever happens again.

  122. Confused Old Misfit

    Dover,
    Didn’t say which was better.
    I agree with both of you.
    You are both right in your own usage of the word.

  123. Stimpson J. Cat

    JC no more Shapiro posting please.
    It’s one of my triggers.
    If I want to see a midget clown I’ll go to the circus.

  124. Confused Old Misfit

    jupes
    #2737522, posted on June 15, 2018 at 11:08 am

    Fucking scum.

    +100

  125. Snoopy

    Poo at 10 o’clock low (energy).

  126. jupes

    If you were in fear of your life, who would you turn to? The SAS guy who had the flag?

    Those were not SAS troops in that photo.

  127. Stimpson J. Cat

    JC
    You should be using your time more constructively like taunting Tom “I might be a comedian but you won’t be laughing by the time I’ve finished with you boy” Ballard on Twitter.

  128. OldOzzie

    WSJ = The Disgrace of Comey’s FBI
    The damning IG report shows the urgent need to restore public trust.

    By The Editorial Board
    Updated June 14, 2018 8:33 p.m. ET

    The long-awaited Inspector General’s report on the FBI’s handling of the Hillary Clinton investigation makes for depressing reading for anyone who cares about American democracy. Self-government depends on public trust in its institutions, especially law enforcement. The IG’s 568-page report makes clear that the FBI under former director James Comey betrayed that public trust in a way not seen since J. Edgar Hoover.

    We use the Hoover analogy advisedly, realizing that the problem in this case was not rampant illegal spying. Though IG Michael Horowitz’s conclusions are measured, his facts are damning. They show that Mr. Comey abused his authority, broke with long-established Justice Department norms, and deceived his superiors and the public.

    While the IG says Mr. Comey’s decisions were not the result of “political bias,” he presided over an investigating team that included agents who clearly were biased against Donald Trump. The damage to the bureau’s reputation—and to thousands of honest agents—will take years to repair.

    The issue of political bias is almost beside the point. The IG scores Mr. Comey for “ad hoc decisionmaking based on his personal views.” Like Hoover, Mr. Comey believed that he alone could protect the public trust. And like Hoover, this hubris led him to make egregious mistakes of judgment that the IG says “negatively impacted the perception of the FBI and the department as fair administrators of justice.”
    ***

    The report scores Mr. Comey in particular for his “conscious decision not to tell [Justice] Department leadership about his plans to independently announce” an end to the investigation at his July 5 press conference in which he exonerated but criticized Mrs. Clinton. And the IG also scores his action 11 days before the 2016 presidential election, on October 28, to send a letter to Congress saying the investigation had been reopened.

    The decision to prosecute belongs to the Attorney General and Justice, not the FBI. And the FBI does not release derogatory information on someone against whom it is not bringing charges. Regarding the October letter informing Congress that the FBI was renewing the investigation, FBI policy is not to announce investigations. “We found unpersuasive Comey’s explanation,” deadpans the IG.

    “We found that it was extraordinary and insubordinate for Comey to conceal his intentions from his superiors, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, for the admitted purpose of preventing them from telling him not to make the statement, and to instruct his subordinates in the FBI to do the same,” says the report.

    “Comey waited until the morning of his press conference to inform [Attorney General Loretta] Lynch and [Deputy Attorney General Sally ] Yates of his plans to hold one without them, and did so only after first notifying the press. As a result, Lynch’s office learned about Comey’s plans via press inquiries rather than from Comey. Moreover, when Comey spoke with Lynch he did not tell her what he intended to say in his statement.”

    All of this underscores the case that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein made when he advised President Trump in May 2017 that he should fire Mr. Comey. The President’s mistake was not firing Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, as some of us advised at the time.

    As for political bias, the IG devotes a chapter to the highly partisan texts exchanged over FBI phones between FBI personnel. The IG says he found no evidence that political bias affected investigative decisions, but the details will be fodder for those who think otherwise.

    For one thing, the political opinions ran in only one direction—against Mr. Trump. Then there is the case of FBI agent Peter Strzok and his decision to prioritize the Russian investigation over following up on Mrs. Clinton’s emails. The IG concludes that Mr. Strzok’s “text messages led us to conclude that we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision was free from bias.”

    The specific Strzok message the IG cites is one in which he responded to a text from his paramour, Lisa Page, asking for reassurance that Mr. Trump was “not ever going to become president, right?” Mr. Strzok replied, “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”

    Senator Ron Johnson’s office reports that his committee had received the first part of this exchange— Ms. Page’s question—from Justice. But somehow Mr. Strzok’s astonishing reply wasn’t included. If this was deliberate, the official who ordered this exclusion should be publicly identified and fired.

    The report also chronicles a long list of other questionable judgments by the FBI and Justice. These include waiting until late October to announce that the FBI was seeking a search warrant for Anthony Weiner’s laptop, though “virtually every fact that was cited” to justify the move had been known a month before.

    And the report criticizes the decision to let Mrs. Clinton’s attorneys, Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson, attend the FBI’s interview with Mrs. Clinton when they were potential witnesses to her possible offenses. This was “inconsistent with typical investigative strategy and gave rise to accusations of bias and preferential treatment,” the IG says.
    ***

    The unavoidable conclusion is that Mr. Comey’s FBI became a law unto itself, accountable to no one but the former director’s self-righteous conscience. His refusal to follow proper guidelines interfered with a presidential election campaign in a way that has caused millions of Americans in both parties to justifiably cry foul.

    This should never happen in a democracy, and steps must be taken so that it never does again. Mr. Horowitz deserves credit for an investigation that was thorough, informative and unplagued by leaks. But it is not the final word. Next week he will be testifying before Congress to flesh out and clarify his findings. Congress should also call FBI agents as witnesses.

    The larger damage here is to trust in institutions that are vital to self-government. Mr. Trump will use the facts to attack the FBI, but most agents are honest and nonpartisan. Christopher Wray, the new FBI director, promised Thursday to implement the IG’s recommendations, but his cleanup task is larger. He can start by ending the FBI’s stonewall of Congress on document requests.

    Mr. Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions have to understand that radical measures are needed to restore public trust in both the FBI and Justice Department. If they won’t do it, someone else must.

    Appeared in the June 15, 2018, print edition.

  129. I wonder if there is going to be some point where you lot pivot from “IG report is about the Deep State sabotaging Trump” to “the IG report is about how it was Comey that sabotaged Hillary, not the Russians, so Trump is not guilty nyah nyah”. That is probably a more lucrative line for you. Not that it will help much.

  130. Cactus:
    Yes, your main issue is Sovereign Risk from the Labor/CFMEU/Banking Cartel.
    I have no answers for you apart from 25% Cash/25% Gold/ 25% Real Estate/25% Super.

  131. Stimpson J. Cat

    Monty didn’t you say this was the report that was supposed to completely destroy Trump and end in his impeachment?
    Refresh my mental memory.

  132. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #2737513, posted on June 15, 2018 at 10:56 am

    Whack. Kimberly Strassel WSJ

    Don’t believe anyone who claims Horowitz didn’t find bias. He very carefully says that he found no “documentary” evidence that bias produced “specific investigatory decisions.” That’s different

    Particularly where 5 (five) of those involved have been referred for investigation of bias.
    The most ridiculous statement is “yeah, they were biased but it didn’t affect their work on investigations.”

  133. johanna

    Top Ender
    #2737518, posted on June 15, 2018 at 11:03 am

    Super funds it’s complicated:

    Sure is.

    But, all the advice I have seen here is good.

    Just do the numbers, and consider that anything you leave in a fund is constantly being circled by predators.

  134. zyconoclast

    …Teena McQueen…

    An unladylike battle has erupted over the presidency of the NSW Liberal Women’s Council (2011)

    AN UNLADYLIKE battle has erupted over the presidency of the NSW Liberal Women’s Council, with one candidate claiming she was told by a senior Liberal to pull out because she was “unmarried” and “dressed inappropriately”.
    The stoush among the NSW Liberal women has caused at least two senior party figures to appeal to Opposition leader Tony Abbott to intervene.

    The brawl was triggered with the opening of the ballot last month to elect a new women’s council president.

    The position carries not only the prestige of being president but gives the office-holder a seat on the all-powerful NSW Liberal Party state executive, entitling her to vote in state and federal preselections.

    Four candidates are vying for the role, including council treasurer Teena McQueen and a federal Liberal staffer.

    A Liberal source told The Sunday Telegraph the stoush began during a meeting of women in the Right faction on June 29 to decide on candidates for the positions of president and vice-president.

    Ms McQueen later told a meeting of 70 party members at a $70-a-head event that she was told by a senior Liberal that she could not be president as she was “unmarried” and “dressed inappropriately”.

    A senior Liberal figure at the NSW Liberal Party Women’s Council mid-year luncheon at Quadrant Restaurant in Circular Quay told The Sunday Telegraph Ms McQueen became emotional as she recounted the heated exchange.

    “She stood up in tears,” the Liberal source said.

    Ms McQueen’s revelation came after she was accused of denying a rival for the presidency entry to the luncheon.

    The rival sent an email: “I attended the venue but was precluded from entry to the lunch and threatened with the police if I did not leave.

    “As I had no wish to cause further embarrassment to those attending the event by an unseemly brawl, I elected to leave.”

    The Liberal accused of making the remarks to Ms McQueen is not a rival for the presidency. The Liberal declined to comment and The Sunday Telegraph has chosen not to name the person for legal reasons.

    “It is not appropriate for me to comment on such internal party matters,” the Liberal said in an email.

    “I wish all candidates standing all the best.”

  135. johanna

    TE – Daryl Dixon is the top man for complicated circumstances. Charges like a wounded bull, though.

  136. Poor monty, under sustained fire, he grabs now mortally wounded Comey, and uses him as a shield as he makes his escape. Rats scrambling.

  137. Senile Old Guy

    Whether or not the ‘further investigation’ leads to charges, these men are being hung out to dry. The process is the punishment. This rancid process is fully supported by the ADF top brass, the government and no doubt the legal profession who stand to make millions out of this.

    Fucking scum.

    Agreed.

    Those were not SAS troops in that photo.

    Correct. That was lazy on my part. They are only identified as “Australian troops”.

  138. calli

    The natural state of man is summed up in Romans 3:23.

    The Pope must know this.

    All the rest, wealth or poverty, civilisation or barbarism, is just window dressing.

  139. JC

    Crooked is very likely to be toast. The IG report seems to be implying that one of the reasons there was a hacking was because crooked was using a private email server, thereby making it easier.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfq8imHUEAAIiqM.jpg:large

  140. Senile Old Guy

    A Liberal source told The Sunday Telegraph the stoush began during a meeting of women in the Right faction on June 29 to decide on candidates for the positions of president and vice-president. Ms McQueen later told a meeting of 70 party members at a $70-a-head event that she was told by a senior Liberal that she could not be president as she was “unmarried” and “dressed inappropriately”. A senior Liberal figure at the NSW Liberal Party Women’s Council mid-year luncheon at Quadrant Restaurant in Circular Quay told The Sunday Telegraph Ms McQueen became emotional as she recounted the heated exchange. “She stood up in tears,” the Liberal source said.

    Anyone who ends up “in tears” over such issues is not leadership material.

  141. JC

    I wonder if there is going to be some point where you lot pivot from “IG report is about the Deep State sabotaging Trump” to “the IG report is about how it was Comey that sabotaged Hillary, not the Russians, so Trump is not guilty nyah nyah”. That is probably a more lucrative line for you. Not that it will help much.

    Monst: Please refer to Stimson’s trigger comment:

    Basically, all these FBI agents were so convinced Hillary was going to win that they made a bunch of decisions that helped her lose.

    In other words, they fucked it up for her, the morons.

    It wasn’t like the gang that couldn’t shoot straight. They were the gang!

  142. Leigh Lowe

    Here, have another straw mUnter.
    And stop gurgling and thrashing about in the water.

  143. Monty didn’t you say this was the report that was supposed to completely destroy Trump and end in his impeachment?
    Refresh my mental memory.

    Quite the opposite, Stimpnado. This was the report that was supposed to lead to Rosenstein’s impeachment and/or firing, if the wingnut chatter yesterday was to be believed. But no one is talking about him today.

    Mueller’s report on obstruction of justice is due in a month or so, that will be an open-and-shut case for impeachment. Which the Republican Congress will most likely ignore, for entirely partisan reasons.

  144. JC

    Monst

    How do you know it’s an open and shut cut case, you idiot? It may seem that way to you because that’s the feel in those lesbian circles you’ve attached to. But explain why it’s an open and shut case now. I’ll further state that your conclusion seems to have morphed from Wussian collushion to obstruction over the past two years. You shouldn’t believe all you hear at the local lesbian coven, monst.

  145. Chris

    This will cause the MSM to squeal with outrage by not covering it at all.

    It happened in 2016. They indeed didn’t cover it at all.

  146. Oh my bad, Giuliani has been on Fox demanding that Rosenstein suspend Mueller’s investigation tomorrow and throw Strzok in gaol within a week. So someone is talking about Rosenstein. But not anyone who is sane.

  147. calli

    Mueller’s report on obstruction of justice is due in a month or so, that will be an open-and-shut case for impeachment.

    What are next week’s Lotto numbers? I want to become conspicuously wealthy. Ta.

  148. thefrollickingmole

    Isnt there another name for providing information in exchange for monetary/sexual/asset exchanges?

    Starts with B ends in ribery.

    Will anyone be charged and/or sacked for accepting bribes?

    Oh and their ABC had 10 minutes of this mornings radio letting the NY prosecutor and an “investigative reporter” spunk everywhere about Trumps charity mob before ending with “not illegal”.
    But it served the purpose of shoving the report down the page.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    Lynch got warned off by the Lecher in Chief.
    Comey thought he’d step into the breach and vertically integrate his investigation business into the prosecutorial and judicial business.
    He thought he was ingratiating himself with the President elect.
    No doubt that privately he has characterised this as taking one for the team.
    He wakes up this morning to find he’s taking one from the team.

  150. How do you know it’s an open and shut cut case

    Trump admitted to obstructing justice in the Lester Holt interview. It was plain to anyone who understands English.

    The obstruction and the collusion are two separate sets of charges. They are two among at least four different lines of inquiry by Mueller’s team. He’s got a small army of lawyers and investigators, they can follow multiple strands at the same time.

  151. Snoopy

    “the IG report is about how it was Comey that sabotaged Hillary,

    Comey’s ‘sabotage’ was simply a miscalculation that he could ignore the Weiner laptop forever. He almost got away with it but line FBI agents in NYC forced his hand. If in September he had turned his mind from destroying Trump to dealing with Weiner’s laptop he could have it all tidied up six weeks before the election.

  152. Mueller’s report on obstruction of justice is due in a month or so, that will be an open-and-shut case for impeachment. Which the Republican Congress will most likely ignore, for entirely partisan reasons.

    Shades of November 2016.

  153. John Constantine

    After their Revolution, personal private wealth will be a crime, so superannuation truly will be for All Of Us Equally.

  154. JC

    Monster’s new claim , since the wussian collushion thing isn’t working is so lame, it’s laughable. In some ways the IG is so damning of Comey’s behavior that its reasonably fair to compare him to Hoover.

    Monst is now suggesting we should ignore the IG report and believe him – that Mueller will accuse Trump of obstructing justice for firing Comey. Only a bunch of angry lesbians could up with this stretch.

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    You shouldn’t believe all you hear at the local lesbian coven, monst.

    Not all witches are lesbians JC.
    A large percentage, maybe 92.434%, sure.
    We shouldn’t perpetuate racist stereotypes even when they are true.

  156. Do you think Trump should fire Rosenstein and start another Saturday Night Massacre, JC?

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    Monty you are as bad at this as Ben Shapiro.
    But on a positive note you are taller, so there’s that.

  158. JC

    Yea, I know Stimson. my bad.

    I missed that IQ test thingi… Not all witches are lesbians, but all lesbians are witches. I couldn’t get to the final conclusion.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    From OldOzzie’s WSJ link at 11:17.

    The specific Strzok message the IG cites is one in which he responded to a text from his paramour, Lisa Page, asking for reassurance that Mr. Trump was “not ever going to become president, right?” Mr. Strzok replied, “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”
    Senator Ron Johnson’s office reports that his committee had received the first part of this exchange— Ms. Page’s question—from Justice. But somehow Mr. Strzok’s astonishing reply wasn’t included. If this was deliberate, the official who ordered this exclusion should be publicly identified and fired.

    So.
    The bolded statement was redacted on grounds of ‘risk of exposing sources and methods’.
    And there have been scores of cases of this. The FBI/DoJ trying to evoke images of their brave covert agents being dragged out of bed and shot by secret police abroad (probably Wussia) when, in fact, there is nothing being masked except treasonous behaviour by senior FBI managers.
    If you want obstruction of justice there it is, right there.
    And that is also where Rosenstein has left himself exposed … threatening to prosecute Congressmen and their staff for pursuing this puts him on the hook as well.

  160. struth

    monty, is it Russian collusion?
    Obstruction?
    Daring to be Orange in public?
    Is it like the Labor party heading over to the united states at election time to openly campaign for socialist presidency?
    Something, due to them being of the left, meant a smack on the wrist.
    What exactly , after two years has Trump done that the left have not, especially when it comes to paid dossiers and the like?
    Whatever you dumb fucks think you have on Trump, you have done provably (and typically) much worse.
    This may not matter now with the deep deep swamp able to ignore it, but if it gets serious, you’ll bring your own down so fast it will be fun to watch.
    Oh, sorry, that’s happening now.

  161. johanna

    zyco’s latest makes one wonder if we are in the middle of an American high school, made for TV, movie?

    I was around at ALP Annual Conferences at the Sydney Town Hall in the early 70s. There were powerful arguments on the floor. Yes, the numbers were calculated, but even that ratbag Bob Gould got the floor for a few minutes to say his piece.

    Of course, Brudder Ducker and AWU boss Charlie Oliver won every vote.

    Still, it was a public process, and tragics like me could come in and watch from the galleries. Afterwards, if you were cute (which I was) you could go outt for lunch or dinner with the heavy hitters and enjor garkic prawns at the Costa Braava in Liverpool Street.

  162. H B Bear

    Great day for squirrels today. No-one around molesting them.

  163. JC

    Do you think Trump should fire Rosenstein and start another Saturday Night Massacre, JC?

    If RR deliberately withheld that damning text that shows to have the Stork saying they were going to stop the Trump presidency… and it looks increasingly likely…..Trump won’t fire him, Sessions will with cause.

    Monst, do you realize how fucking bad this makes the D’rats appear? There are two more reports coming out about the misuse of FISA warrants etc.

    Stop putting your fat head in another fat lesbians rear end, FFS.

  164. johanna

    Oh, crap.

    Using a phone for text when you are ancient is a mistake.

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    So did anyone find out if Dot has a girlfriend or a job or a mental illness or something?
    An absence that long must be explained for my peace of mind.

  166. Monst, do you realize how fucking bad this makes the D’rats appear?

    Given that Comey is a Republican and the candidate whose presidential campaign he helped sabotage was that of a Democrat, not sure how you figure that JC.

    Sessions is not going to fire Rosenstein, as he recused himself from matters related to Mueller’s investigation, which the firing of the person overseeing it would surely be. You’ll have to do better than that.

  167. struth

    and tragics like me could come in and watch from the galleries. Afterwards, if you were cute (which I was) you could go outt for lunch or dinner with the heavy hitters and enjor garkic prawns at the Costa Braava in Liverpool Street.

    This is like politics anonymous.

    I was a lefty, but I’ve been clean now for fifty years.

  168. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle at 1004

    This is just a prognostication as I said. I have seen no signs yet that it could happen.

    Don’t give them ideas!

  169. Confused Old Misfit

    Trump should start by firing Sessions. He should then assume the role of the Attorney General and start the bloodbath from the top down.
    Having routed the dross from the upper ranks of the executive and replaced them with his own people it would then be time to go after Hillary, Obama, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller et al.

  170. Gab

    Monty how much rent do you charge Trump for taking up so much space in your head?

  171. Cactus

    On Super again. The standard advice from financial planners is – put as much in super as you can because those investment returns are taxed at 15% vs your marginal at 45-50%. You may actually be able to reduce your marginal down to 30% or lower through a company/trust structure. But those are the for arguments.

    I am not convinced due to sovereign risk. But that’s me. They aren’t going to spend as much time on that as all these rule changes etc is good for their business as it is confusing and they do very well out of confusion.

  172. Trump should start by firing Sessions. He should then assume the role of the Attorney General and start the bloodbath from the top down.
    Having routed the dross from the upper ranks of the executive and replaced them with his own people it would then be time to go after Hillary, Obama, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller et al.

    Stalin would be proud.

  173. struth

    Given that Comey is a Republican and the candidate whose presidential campaign he helped sabotage was that of a Democrat, not sure how you figure that JC.

    Too stupid.
    Clutching at bullshit straws.

  174. Baldrick

    Given that Comey is a Republican and the candidate whose presidential campaign he helped sabotage was that of a Democrat, not sure how you figure that JC.

    Bwhahahaha, don’t every change m0nty. That’s some champagne comedy right there.

  175. Chris

    Monst, ask yourself: is it right for state investigators and prosecutors to manufacture crimes to charge political enemies with?
    How about midnight black-ops raids with secrecy warrants on the branch secretary of a mainstream political party?

  176. johanna

    I’m gone for now, more Wodehouse appeals.

    Also, I notice that the creep JC has re-appeared. There is something seriously weird about his hatred of me, since we have never met.

    He’s a hairy-backed creep.

  177. Snoopy

    Mueller’s report on obstruction of justice is due in a month or so, that will be an open-and-shut case for impeachment.

    Monty, how’s supersleuth Mueller’s open and shut case against Concord going? Swimmingly?

  178. JC

    Given that Comey is a Republican

    Yea, like the Q&A audience is Lib/Lab of equal numbers.

  179. Stimpson J. Cat

    Mayor of London
    @MayorofLondon
    The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are men – and just 17% of its biographies are of women. We’re calling on Londoners to help us redress this gender imbalance and ensure women’s stories are fully represented online (link: http://bit.ly/2JwShsT) bit.ly/2JwShsT #BehindEveryGreatCity

  180. JC

    Joh

    What brought on this outburst, as I haven’t even read your drivel today let alone remark about you? I don’t hate you. I just think you’re a blog pest.

  181. JC

    Sessions is not going to fire Rosenstein, as he recused himself from matters related to Mueller’s investigation,

    The IG report opened up the spigot. It’s no longer Mueller’s investigation.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    John Constantine

    #2737563, posted on June 15, 2018 at 11:43 am

    After their Revolution, personal private wealth will be a crime, so superannuation truly will be for All Of Us Equally.

    That lisping bint, Kelly O’Toaster, has already described superannuation as a “national asset”.

  183. Monst, ask yourself: is it right for state investigators and prosecutors to manufacture crimes to charge political enemies with?

    No. Please detail where that has happened to Trump. Note: Manafort and Cohen don’t count, as they are clearly guilty of a string of crimes.

    How about midnight black-ops raids with secrecy warrants on the branch secretary of a mainstream political party?

    You mean like the AFP raids on the AWU over Shorten donations? Yeah that was pretty naff.

  184. The IG report opened up the spigot. It’s no longer Mueller’s investigation.

    Yeah right JC, like Trump fired Comey over concern for Hillary. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

  185. Snoopy

    Mayor of London
    @MayorofLondon
    The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are men – and just 17% of its biographies are of women.

    There goes Monty’s squirrel king title.

  186. Stimpson J. Cat

    Robert De Niro
    @Rob_D_Niro
    Hello Twitter! Unfortantly its official and I’ve given into the blue bird! #myfirstTweet #RobertDeNiro #official #sharethenews
    5:55 PM · May 16, 2014

  187. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sessions is not going to fire Rosenstein, as he recused himself from matters related to Mueller’s investigation, which the firing of the person overseeing it would surely be.

    M0nty – There are numerous reasons for firing Rosenstein or requiring him to go on paid leave indefinitely.

    Rod Rosenstein, cult hero

    More than any federal agency or department I’ve worked for, with, or against, the Justice Department resembles a cult. Its employees think they are special. They feel intense hostility towards the Department’s adversaries. They are fiercely loyal to the Department and compulsively committed to its ways of doing things. Outsiders are viewed with condescension and suspicion, if not contempt.

    Obviously, many DOJ employees do not buy fully into the cult, but many do. Those who rise to the top tend to embrace it the most.

    So what are we to make of Rosenstein’s conduct in the dueling Trump-related investigations? As McCarthy point out, the deputy AG clings to his role as overseer of the Mueller investigation despite being a key witness to events encompassed by it, most notably the firing of James Comey. He slow walks the production of documents to Congress and, apparently, has threatened to use the DOJ’s investigative powers against congressmen seeking to obtain the documents.

    Rosenstein certainly labors under a conflict of interest, and it’s plausible to believe that this is affecting his judgment. But why, in the first place, has Rosenstein elected to serve in a role that puts him in a conflict of interest?

    I think it’s because of his intense and excessive loyalty to the cult — to the Department of Justice.

    I disagree with Mirengoff, who’s a bit of a never Trumper (although he seems to be coming around as reality trumps MSM propaganda). I think the reason Rosenstein refuses to recuse himself is because he believes he can run the #resistance from his office, so long as he is careful enough.

    Rosenstein, Mueller and Comey were all involved in the Uranium One coverup. That alone should require him to recuse from Russia related investigations. Instead he is doing things like threatening to subpoena members of the House Intelligence Committee. That is raw politics – no spin can explain that bit of thuggery.

  188. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2737533, posted on June 15, 2018 at 11:17 am
    I wonder if there is going to be some point where you lot pivot from “IG report is about the Deep State sabotaging Trump” to “the IG report is about how it was Comey that sabotaged Hillary, not the Russians, so Trump is not guilty nyah nyah”. That is probably a more lucrative line for you. Not that it will help much.

    Wait for the official talking points from the DNC/Soros/MSM, running dog. Your attempts are less than pathetic.

  189. struth

    Given that Comey is a Republican

    He’s a republican like Caitlyn Jenner is a girl.

  190. calli

    Comey’s cufflinks identify as Republican.

  191. C.L.

    I’m sure all left-wing spooks register as ‘Republicans.’
    Duh.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    Yeah right JC, like Trump fired Comey over concern for Hillary.

    Newsflash mUnter.
    The President can fire the head of the FBI for parting his hair on the wrong side, following the wrong football team or folding his toilet paper instead of scrunching it.
    In fact, he doesn’t even need a reason as momentous as that.
    The only justification he needs to fire Comey is …

    I’m the President. You’re not. You’re fired.

    Let it go.
    It’s such a 2017 talking point.
    Even the Dems were lining up to nudge him off the kerb at the bus-stop this morning … “poor judgement, individual flaws, yadda-yadda”.

  193. Stimpson J. Cat

    Wait for the official talking points from the DNC/Soros/MSM, running dog. Your attempts are less than pathetic.

    They come through at 4am on the fax.
    It will be a long wait for Monty.

  194. M0nty – There are numerous reasons for firing Rosenstein or requiring him to go on paid leave indefinitely.

    The reasons cited in that linked article are all related to Mueller’s investigations. You are reinforcing what I said.

    Sessions is not going to fire Rosenstein, as he recused himself from matters related to Mueller’s investigation, which the firing of the person overseeing it would surely be.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    Given that Comey is a Republican

    Oh?
    I thought he was above all that.
    If he is as partisan as all that, it is a good thing Trump got rid of him.
    Can’t have right-wing nutters running the FBI.

  196. LL, that is technically correct, but then again he could shoot Mueller dead on Fifth Avenue and pardon himself of the crime, technically. Would you support him doing that too?

  197. Leigh Lowe

    Sessions is not going to fire Rosenstein, as he recused himself from matters related to Mueller’s investigation, which the firing of the person overseeing it would surely be.

    But he hasn’t recused himself from addressing general misbehaviours within the FBI.
    The issues of bias which the IG has referred for further action were claimed by the subjects not to have influenced their conduct of the investigation of Illary.
    So, the bias has nothing to do with an investigation which is not the Wussia investigation.
    These clowns have just signed themselves up to be summarily dismissed (beats jail I guess).

  198. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty – That’s very good even for you. You have just argued that because Rosenstein is dirty due to Uranium One he can’t be fired by Sessions as Sessions has recused himself from Russia related stuff.

    LOL.

  199. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Israelis wish Saudi Arabia good luck in the World Cup on Twitter.

    سرائيل بالعربية
    @IsraelArabic
    المنتخب السعودي يخوض اليوم المباراة الافتتاحية في المونديال أمام روسيا، وتعود السعودية إلى المونديال بعد غياب 12 عاما، ويعتبر النجم محمد السهلاوي هو الأبرز في صفوف الأخضر السعودي. يذكر أن السعوديين نجحوا في الوصول لدور ال١٦ في مونديال 1994. بالنجاح!
    #بالتوفيق_لمنتخبنا_السعودى

    Then the Russians pump them 5 nil.

    This is textbook trolling folks.

  200. C.L.

    Via Ace …
    This is real:

    The Boston Globe✔@BostonGlobe
    Older gays and lesbians can’t always depend on close relatives as caregivers. A report found that LGBTQ seniors were three to four times less likely to have children than their heterosexual peers. http://bos.gl/uwKXmy9

    11:25 AM – Jun 10, 2018

  201. Leigh Lowe

    LL, that is technically correct, but then again he could shoot Mueller dead on Fifth Avenue and pardon himself of the crime, technically. Would you support him doing that too?

    Study the law you clown.
    Shooting Mueller dead on 5th Avenue would be a crime addressed by the NY state criminal code.
    The President cannot pardon State crimes (which is why various Democrat aligned NY prosecutors have been trying to snag Trump supporters on state crimes right up until the point they lost their jobs for corruption, rape, sexual grooming of minors and assault).
    Anyway, you are conflating and equating a heinous crime with a perfectly legal presidential prerogative which was exercised by Obumbi, the Bushes and Clinton the Groper et al with gay abandon.

  202. M0nty – That’s very good even for you. You have just argued that because Rosenstein is dirty due to Uranium One he can’t be fired by Sessions as Sessions has recused himself from Russia related stuff.

    No, Bruce. Uranium One has nothing to do with it.

    Rosenstein’s most important job now is overseeing the Mueller investigation. Sessions recused himself from that investigation. Thus he can not fire Rosenstein.

  203. C.L.

    LOL:

    Progressive New York Democrat wears $9,000 Rolex in new ad.

    The top Democrat running in New York’s 19th Congressional District took out a full page ad in the Albany Times Union slamming the “billionaires” and the “corporations” who “have rigged the system against us.” It is a pretty typical political ad. He looks stern with his arms crossed and his sleeves rolled up on his blue dress shirt — literally a blue collar! And then, there’s the $8,950 timepiece on his wrist.

    Connoisseurs looking at his social media will recognize the watch as the Rolex GMT Master-II. The choice of fighter pilots and frat boys with large trust funds …

  204. Anyway, you are conflating and equating a heinous crime with a perfectly legal presidential prerogative which was exercised by Obumbi, the Bushes and Clinton the Groper et al with gay abandon.

    Hmm, I don’t remember them outsourcing their campaign operations to Russia.

  205. Leigh Lowe

    Older gays and lesbians can’t always depend on close relatives as caregivers. A report found that LGBTQ seniors were three to four times less likely to have children than their heterosexual peers.

    No shit, Sherlock?
    Did the report also address that the childless QWERTYs have had a yuuuuge financial advantage in not paying for school fees for drop-outs, 4,000 tonnes of Weetbix, 26 lost i-phones, clothes which are discarded after one wash as “so uncool”, an ocean of hot showers etc etc?

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rosenstein’s most important job now is overseeing the Mueller investigation. Sessions recused himself from that investigation. Thus he can not fire Rosenstein.

    Ah so Rosenstein could dismantle Trump into bloody gobbets of flesh with an antiaircraft gun yet Sessions couldn’t fire him because Rosenstein is supervising his ex-boss Mueller chasing wussians.

    LOLOL.

  207. Older gays and lesbians can’t always depend on close relatives as caregivers. A report found that LGBTQ seniors were three to four times less likely to have children than their heterosexual peers.

    We must smash this stereotype!

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Hmm, I don’t remember them outsourcing their campaign operations to Russia.

    Who did that?
    Evidence please.
    Trump outsourced his campaign to MSNBC and CNN.
    He merely had to send 128 characters on Twatter and they’d go mental and Trump would reap the votes.
    The shortlist for running his campaign in 2020 includes the usual suspects along with Barb de Niro and Bill “let them eat dirt” Maher.

  209. dopey

    Rule 1 for journalists. You can’t report on a dinner without knowing how much a ticket cost.

  210. thefrollickingmole

    Lets try something simple for Monty and work from there.

    Should FBI people found accepting gifts/sex etc in return for leaking be sacked for bribery?

    Yes or no.

  211. The underlying issue here, LL, is that the US constitution gave the president a lot of extremely broad-ranging powers, but they relied on Congress to act as a brake in case some future president was a crook. But we have a lickspittle Congress run by craven partisan hacks at the moment, and they’re not going to lift a finger even if Trump goes through the statutes and pardons himself and his minions for every single crime on the books.

    Every day that Trump remains in office, America gets closer to a fascist state. You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents. It is government-sponsored cruelty.

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    Via Ace …
    This is real:

    Of course you mean BGTL.

    The idea that acronym people die childless and alone is absolutely shocking to me.
    I had no idea that many survived the deadly degenerate diseases long enough to live that long.

  213. Who did that?
    Evidence please.

    Patience, young padawan. Mueller shall reveal all.

  214. Stimpson J. Cat

    You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents. It is government-sponsored cruelty.

    Squirrel!!!

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Rosenstein’s most important job now is overseeing the Mueller investigation.

    Really?
    Tell me more.
    I thought Rosenstein appointed Mueller as an independent counsel who would investigate Wussia-Wussia-Wussia unfettered by any interference.
    Why does Mueller need Rosenstein in the chair to oversee his independent investigation?
    I was assuming that Mueller would merely report his findings back to whoever is sitting in that spot when he completes his independent witch-hunt (sorry, investigation).
    Does it all fall apart if Rosenstein gets hit by a bus?
    Please explain.

  216. Confused Old Misfit

    Older gays and lesbians can’t always depend on close relatives as caregivers. A report found that LGBTQ seniors were three to four times less likely to have children than their heterosexual peers.

    If you don’t dip the wick it’s not going to catch a flame!

  217. thefrollickingmole

    You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents.

    RAKE!!!!
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-holding-more-immigrant-children-shelters-ever-949099

    Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) Administration for Children and Families spokesperson Kenneth Wolfe told Newsweek on Wednesday that it had as many as 10,852 undocumented children in its custody—a significant jump from the 8,886 that were in the agency’s custody on April 29, according to the Washington Post. spokesman for HHS’s Administration for Children and Families told

    In fiscal year 2013, under the Barack Obama administration, the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) had as many as 25,000 unaccompanied children in its care across 80 shelters, according to a July 2014 article in Mother Jones.

    /in before “Mother Jones is a right wing front”…

  218. Leigh Lowe

    You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents. It is government-sponsored cruelty.

    Ha, ha.
    The re-heated leftover photo from the Obumbi era is Trump’s fault.
    Good one.

  219. Snoopy

    Rosenstein’s most important job now is overseeing the Mueller investigation. Sessions recused himself from that investigation. Thus he can not fire Rosenstein.

    What this means is that Sessions’ previous authority over Rosenstein is now held by the President.

  220. Now you’re just being obtuse, LL. If Trump fires Rosenstein he’ll want a Bork type who will shut Mueller down, or at least severely curtail his investigation.

  221. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1214

    Yeah right JC, like Trump fired Comey over concern for Hillary. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

    Well, if it is m0nty’s, it certainly won’t have balls on!

  222. Bruce of Newcastle

    You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents. It is government-sponsored cruelty.

    That happened in 2014 M0nty.
    I wonder who was President?
    Some guy I expect.
    We’ll never know his name.
    Well, we certainly won’t if we ask John Cusack.

    John Cusack at Border Control Protest: Trump a ‘Fascist’ and ‘They’re Putting Kids in F**king Cages’

  223. Leigh Lowe

    Now you’re just being obtuse, LL. If Trump fires Rosenstein he’ll want a Bork type who will shut Mueller down, or at least severely curtail his investigation.

    Or perhaps ask him to put up or go home.
    Not unreasonable, really.

  224. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1236

    n he could shoot Mueller dead on Fifth Avenue and pardon himself of the crime, technically.

    I think that would be a state crime, Trump can’t pardon himself for those.

    Rake!

  225. Stimpson J. Cat

    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    Happy birthday @realDonaldTrump!
    6:47 PM · Jun 14, 2018

  226. Snoopy

    According to Monty, Mueller has a job for as long as he likes and a budget limited only by his own imagination.

  227. .

    monty please

    You couldn’t give two craps about freedom. You just want the Democrats and ALP to perpetually hold office.

    Pence as a State Governor passed into law a bill that reduced stupid drug laws (overuse of “school” zones to give drug *offenders* harsher sentences than some murderers) and restored personal sovereignty of adults for example. Right, so how are Trump and his camp, “fascist”?

    Reducing taxes and cutting regulation is fascist? Clinton and Obama played the “war on drugs” and “laura norder” card and we got death penalty/drug kingpin rules for growing pot, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Cliven Bundy, pardons for Bill Ayres and the Fastn’Furious debacle and the IRS spying Obama’s political opponent PACs.

    You lost the “fascism” game.

    Do you really want to play the compassion game? Wow, Janet Reno sure helped that Elian Gonzalez kid, sending him back to Cuba to his Dad.

    Left-wing compassion.

    Your abuse of the English language is beyond Orwellian. Maybe you could be forthright and a functioning adult and accept under the current political climate, the choice is back to a third world shithole or detainment.

    Or maybe you want to start praising Abbott and Morrison?

    This is where being an unprincipled shill gets you.

  228. Leigh Lowe

    mUnter has got today’s talking points.
    Just as Obumbi’s palace guard are being taken down from within, along comes the squirrel riding a unicorn to cry “what about da little chillen”.

  229. Mother Lode

    How surprising. A woman was raped and murdered in Melbourne two nights ago. Today, we have ABC Radio organizing a bonfire of boys and men

    .

    I understand the culprit is retarded.

    I assume you refer to the culprit at the ABC leading the ‘bugman crusade’.

  230. Or perhaps ask him to put up or go home.
    Not unreasonable, really.

    Yeah right LL. You mean like how Bill Clinton told Ken Starr to go home after the Vince Foster probe finished up. Special counsels are harder to get rid of than that.

  231. Boambee John

    Winston at 1236 and 1245

    In strict Marxist terms, Europe seems to be in a pre-revolutionary situation.

  232. jupes

    Check out the latest #fakenews on Trump:

    North Korea releases vision of Donald Trump offering an awkward salute to top regime general

    I saw M0nty earlier comparing this to Obama’s fawning bow to the Saudi King.

    Yeah nah. Trump returned the salute. If there is anything newsworthy in that video it is that the Nork General saluted Trump i.e. he showed Trump respect as his superior.

    If Trump had not returned the salute, it would have been rude and a show of disrespect. Maybe even a set-back to the negotiations.

    Of course the same people now bagging Trump for saluting would have bagged him for not saluting.

    Fuckwits.

  233. If Trump had not returned the salute, it would have been rude and a show of disrespect. Maybe even a set-back to the negotiations.

    Bollocks, jupes. Presidents don’t have to bow to generals. Particularly not foreign generals.

    Obama bowing to Saudi princes was a bad look, and so was this.

  234. Roger

    Pope Francis asserted in a message released by the Vatican Thursday that poverty is not the natural condition of man but is always the fruit of someone else’s sin.

    What’s next…property is theft?

  235. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1253

    Every day that Trump remains in office, America gets closer to a fascist state. You only have to look at what’s going on with these concentration camps for children of asylum seekers forcibly separated from their parents. It is government-sponsored cruelty.

    The photo that was being touted around by the fascist left was actually taken in 2014, during Obama’s reign.

  236. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    A report found that LGBTQ seniors were three to four times less likely to have children than their heterosexual peers.

    Bwahahahaha!

    What a shocking stat.

  237. Stimpson J. Cat

    I understand the culprit is retarded.

    And?
    I’m mentally ill.
    Who gives a f$ck.
    Reasons for behaviour are not excuses.
    A f$cking Aspie is not retarded Jesus Christ.
    He’s probably smarter than everyone on this f$cking site.

  238. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Stand by for the next phase in the PC military genii engagement strategy with those who would do us harm.

    “Hi, we’d like to invite you to complete this online survey after your contact with our special forces troops.

    How did you contact us today?

    Were you:

    Laying in wait to ambush us?
    Placing an IED inside a dog’s carcass?
    Firing at us while surrounded by a group of school kids?
    Pretending to work with us in one of our bases?

    On a scale of 1-5, how would you rate the troops you shot at on the following attributes:

    Gender balance including fluidity and expressions of individual gender identity
    Cultural diversity – did our unit members reflect the communities they serve, including yours
    Politeness while being shot at
    Adherence to OH&S and the other 1,098 policy statements designed to nail our soldiers somehow no matter what they do
    Treating you with dignity during the contact while respecting your humanity and deep-seated cultural/religious need to kill us

    Please answer yes or no to the following questions

    Did our soldiers remove their boots before entering your booby-trapped hideout?
    Did we respect your 5 daily prayer times by ceasing fire at the Muezzin’s call?
    Did we comply with your laws and customs about gay people?
    Did we give you sufficient opportunity to enquire about our operational plans, policies and rules of engagement?
    Were you given enough time to prepare your ambush of us?
    Have we given you an easy way to complain about our troops and to tie them up in endless bullshit paperwork while you Allah uh-Akhbar away to your heart’s content?

    Thank you for choosing to attack us today, we hope you enjoyed the experience and look forward to serving you again when next you choose Jihad against the West.

    From Michael Smith News. Well said.

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