Open Forum: June 16, 2018

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  1. John Constantine

    If you are not free to make something in your shed that can move a pumpkin through the sound barrier, are you truly free?.

    Australia, our laws regulating that all pumpkins shall be subsonic are our strength.

    Comrades.

  2. egg_

    World Movies is now owned and operated by SBS Subscription TV, a subsidiary of SBS. The two have a close working relationship, with films premiering on World Movies 12 months before becoming available on the SBS free-to-air channels.”

    SBS makes money from w0g subscription soft pr0n.

  3. Bela Bartok

    Ender
    #2739264, posted on June 17, 2018 at 10:14 am
    Daughter’s Year 10 English Exam
    “Explain the immoral attitudes that led to the tragedy of the Stolen Generations”.

    Get up to the school and demand an explanation of what the question has to do with English.

    Yes TE, did that.
    Apparently they’re studying tragedy, reading Othello, Medea and then – as the curriculum requires – a text that is also a tragedy relevant to Aborigines: a song by Archie Roach.
    This is what English and history and maths has come to – it’s mandatory to have some section on how badly the aborigines have had it from dreadful whitey.
    As another year 11 student told me, if you don’t toe the line you get a really low mark, and you need a high mark to achieve extended unit courses – so there’s no possibility of telling the truth.
    It’s shameful, it’s disgraceful, and the Libtards will do nothing.
    This is going to breed a whole generation who take the Stolen Generations lie as gospel.
    Which of course is the aim.
    And the school supports it because ‘Catholic duty’- dumbasses.

  4. struth

    Apparently they’re studying tragedy, reading Othello, Medea and then – as the curriculum requires – a text that is also a tragedy relevant to Aborigines: a song by Archie Roach.

    Sorry, what leap of logic do we see here, to brainwash the kiddies.
    Which is taken as fiction?

  5. nemkat

    Josh Frydenberg’s problem is that he’s just so tiny, and tiny blokes don’t tend to take advice well from larger chaps.
    Remember, Ming was a big bloke, and he mostly surrounded himself with other big blokes.
    As his successors grew smaller, so did their ability and electoral appeal.
    John Howard was an exception, he didn’t have a problem with big blokes, and used it to advantage with the dopey Latham.

    Just on Australia’s 2nd Greatest P.M., The Sunday Mail is reporting him as saying the ALP Primary vote is way too low at this stage of the cycle for them to win the next election

  6. Dave in Marybrook

    Me and a few classmates took great delight in flipping a coin as to whether we’d support or contest an essay thesis- often topping the class with different battles.
    But that Stolen Generations jive sounds like a test of rote learning.
    The better question would be, if I recall, Bolt’s-
    “Show me ten just kids who were removed from their families because of racial reasons.”

  7. egg_

    tiny blokes don’t tend to take advice well from larger chaps.

    Speaking for oneself?
    Ditto blokes with tiny egos?

  8. miz(ad hom)aris

    Cracker of a movie “Hunting Emm”. South African and in Afrikaans but subtitles are excellent.

  9. struth

    A tragedy relevant to aboriginals.
    The treatment of aboriginals by the government different to other citizens based entirely on race and not geography or circumstance.

    And then those in government or government education call the white people the problem.
    The only time whites had a say in anything regarding aboriginals it was to make them as included as possible.
    Racist government policies treating people differently based on race, has always been the tragedy for aboriginal people.
    The government, independent of the white people, and without the whites consent, have instituted racist policies.
    Whether you perceive them as good or bad policies, inherently they are racist and therefore bad policy.
    All should be equal.
    There’s ya friggin’ tragedy.

  10. miz(ad hom)aris

    OOOps “Hunting EMMA”

  11. miz(ad hom)aris

    Double oops – all white cast.

  12. struth

    Oh, except white unionists.
    They were very much racist toward aboriginals.
    But this should be expected by the racist left, and countered.

  13. DrBeauGan

    It’s shameful, it’s disgraceful, and the Libtards will do nothing.
    This is going to breed a whole generation who take the Stolen Generations lie as gospel.
    Which of course is the aim.

    I agree with the first sentence here. But you can’t expect politicians to take an interest in what is actually true. They don’t grasp the idea at all.

    The second I doubt. It will breed a whole generation who take it that an education consists of saying the “right” things. And who would generally conclude that an education isn’t worth having.

    This is why boys and the tougher girls are passing on university. Increasingly, higher education is for dreary conformists.

    The coming generations will have those who educate themselves from the interwebzy thingo, and the obedient who parrot off the acceptable drivel.

  14. mizaris

    Anyone have any experience with personal safety alarms/auto-dialler/monitoring services for old people?

    Mother in law has one and it has proven invaluable. She wears it happily as she is fully aware that if she goes down, she won’t be able to get up again no matter what. It sits on the bathmat when she’s showering and that’s the only time it’s off her person, other than overnight, when hale and hearty father in law is with her. As she spends quite a bit of time alone on most days, we are more than happy with the service that is offered with it.

    BTW – watched a cracker of a movie last night – “Hunting Emma”. South African and in Afrikaans but excellent subtitles.

  15. Snoopy

    SBS makes money from w0g subscription soft pr0n.

    Hey! A friend told me that they’re not all pr0n.

  16. JC

    Rones

    I’m trying to open a blog on your behalf called

    Ronery Zulu’s Aboriginal, Military, History Tourette’s Blog
    However, when I tried to register the domain name

    http://www.ronery.simplesite.com

    It’s already taken.

    If you’ve registered it already, let me know or otherwise I’m happy to think of a new one. If I see you’re going to ignore my request I’ll go ahead.

    I’ll post the sets when it’s a goer. Thank me later buddy.

  17. struth

    DR BG.
    Not long now and any form of non government controlled education will be banned.

  18. Dave in Marybrook

    Dr B G-
    did you see my bit last night on maybe why “mama” and “papa” are distinct?

  19. Rae

    watched a cracker of a movie last night – “Hunting Emma”

    We watched By the Sea with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, on Netflix. Interesting movie, seemed a bit odd, but worked out quite well in the end.

    [Bruce in WA – By the Sea might not be your cup of tea]

  20. DrBeauGan

    Dave in Marybrook
    #2739559, posted on June 17, 2018 at 3:07 pm
    Dr B G-
    did you see my bit last night on maybe why “mama” and “papa” are distinct?

    Sorry, Dave, missed that.

  21. Snoopy

    Anyone have any experience with personal safety alarms/auto-dialler/monitoring services for old people?

    I bought one a couple of years ago for an elderly relative that could be set to ring a certain number ie a relative or neighbour. He couldn’t be bothered with it even though I set it up for him. I later gave it to someone else who was very happy with it. But then the NBN came and it wasn’t compatible. It’s now in landfill somewhere.

  22. Motelier

    Anyone have any experience with personal safety alarms/auto-dialler/monitoring services for old people?

    MrsM and I researched this for her Mum.

    1st is a household alarm that reaches any on the property, is waterproof and monitered 24/7. Comes with a long life battery and base station with 3g sim card.

    This has a button that has to be pushed to activate the alarm. Service is excellent.

    2nd is like a watch, with 4 g sim card, satellite tracking and motion sensor.

    This works well when the battery is charged. A supposed 12 hour battery life is in reality 3 hours. Motion sensor is very sensitive so false alarms are common.

    Both do provide peace of mind.

  23. Dave in Marybrook

    It was late, I admit, but off the cuff-
    “Mama” is spoken with a mouth full of teat, to someone very close-
    “Papa” or “dada” with a labial or palatal plosive is projected towards someone a bit more disant, at least at first.
    Sound reasonable?
    …do you think Lizzie would like it?

  24. Eddystone

    Anyone have any experience with personal safety alarms/auto-dialler/monitoring services for old people?

    Yep, I’ve been into heaps of houses where an old lady has worn one to bed and accidentally set it off during the night.

    Let me tell you, it’s a creepy experience walking around a dark house with a flashlight calling out “Ambulance!” and not knowing what you will find behind the doors.

    On a few occasions we have found the occupant fast asleep, reset their alarm and left without waking them up. Once while the daughter was also asleep in the house, which we didn’t know, and she didn’t wake up either.

  25. Rae

    The second I doubt. It will breed a whole generation who take it that an education consists of saying the “right” things. And who would generally conclude that an education isn’t worth having.

    Doubtful, Doc. Students, on balance, are more capable than you give them credit for. Taken together with what is learned outside the classroom, it is more likely to encourage an ability to differentiate what is needed to gain their formal school education from what really applies as they mature in their lives and future education.

  26. Tintarella di Luna

    I see that white-privileged, trout-lipped, brain-addled, pallid scold says white men should not be permitted to criticise the work of pussy-hatted ignoranuses :

    Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett and identity madness in Hollywood

    It is a measure of the crippling identity madness that is gripping Hollywood that one of its premier pinatas, Sandra Bullock, has recently complained the wrong sort of people were reviewing films wrongly. What? How, you might ask, can any reviewers be the “wrong” sort of people? Or how can anyone even review anything rightly or wrongly? An opinion’s an opinion, a person’s a person.

    But apparently Bullock thinks it’d be “nice” if children reviewed children’s films, and I’m sure she’d also like it if only women reviewed women’s films, only black people reviewed films about black people, only trans people reviewed trans films, and only Sandra Bullock reviewed Sandra Bullock films, because it’s a good idea, she claims, if “reviewers reflected who the film is for”.

    Instead of reflecting the views of the worst group in the universe: the “60-year-old man”, as Bullock put it.

    Never mind that you’d rather die than read a review by a five-year-old – or, for that matter, Sandra Bullock. Never mind that good writing is ageless, sexless, genderless and without colour. Never mind that good films shouldn’t really be “for” anyone, unless they’re empty money-making exercises aimed at patsies and zombies – of which more later. But I didn’t expect a self-obsessed film star to see any nuance here.

    What I did expect Bullock and her co-star Cate Blanchett to see is how bitter and ridiculous they both came across by complaining, in effect, that not enough women had reviewed their own film, Ocean’s 8. Nearly 80 per cent of film critics are male: their vision, sighed Bullock, is “skewed”. Men see films through a “prism of misunderstanding”, according to Blanchett, whatever that is. But why would female reviewers review a film such as Ocean’s 8 any more favourably? Perhaps Blanchett and Bullock thought their silly little lady brains would be taken in by the hype.

    Because there is no prism of misunderstanding about a film such as Ocean’s 8. There is only a prism of utter, utter clarity. It is a pathetic marketing ploy, tested over many, many months with many, many audiences, featuring a recycled idea that wasn’t even good in the first place, acted out by committee-picked stars who mostly can’t act. The cast are there for the money, and you don’t need to be black, white, bisexual, cisgender or trans to work that out.

    By asking us to take Ocean’s 8 seriously as art, Blanchett and Bullock are essentially asking us to give a good review to the results of a survey.

    Ocean’s 8 is a dud, not because it’s a bad film or has bad acting or a silly premise – most Hollywood blockbusters are all of these things and big successes. It’s a dud because the viewers, and particularly reviewers, have seen it for what it is. They may have screen-tested every last second, asked every last viewer, but somehow no one asked the right questions – namely, do you want to see women in a heist movie? No. Do you want to see Anne Hathaway again? No. And now they haven’t asked the right questions, Bullock is asking what she views as the right questions herself, discrediting the oldest target in the universe: the old, white, cisgender male, in a craven attempt to look like the “good” one, the victim.

    I don’t particularly love angry men who choose to sneer at female work and I am sure some of these critics love a dreadful George Clooney film much more than they do a Sandra Bullock. What I’m more worried about is how easily people with the “wrong” views can be so quickly dismissed.

    The truth is Ocean’s 8 is worse than a bad film; it is a marketing error, a vast failure to monetise “otherness”, quite an achievement when cinemas are bursting with movies such as Black Panther: a similarly contrived, middling, patronising film that is, in contrast, now the ninth highest-grossing film to date. Black Panther was a success not because it was particularly funny, or visually splendid, or well acted – it worked because it was successfully sold as a black film by and for black people, even though it wasn’t and couldn’t ever be, because nothing in Hollywood is. Let us never forget “diversity” is our age’s most powerful marketing phenomenon.

    Last week the artist Banksy showed exactly how enthusiastically people will buy into nothing if you get it right, especially when they think others approve of it. He recently submitted an artwork to the Royal Academy summer exhibition under a pseudonym. It was rejected. Grayson Perry, the exhibition’s co-ordinator, later contacted him to resubmit it, and “It’s now hanging in gallery 3,” wrote Banksy.

    What Bullock and Blanchett were angry about wasn’t the fact they’d failed to please people – they were angry they’d failed to dupe them like this.

    The Times

  27. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “But the reality is this is an iconic national institution which will remain in the public’s hands.”

    THEN SHUT IT DOWN! FIRE THEM ALL!

  28. zyconoclast

    Anyone have any experience with personal safety alarms/auto-dialler/monitoring services for old people?

    Mother in law has one and it has proven invaluable. She wears it happily as she is fully aware that if she goes down, she won’t be able to get up again no matter what. It sits on the bathmat when she’s showering and that’s the only time it’s off her person, other than overnight, when hale and hearty father in law is with her. As she spends quite a bit of time alone on most days, we are more than happy with the service that is offered with it.

    Thanks.
    Do you know the brand or name of the service?

  29. zyconoclast

    MrsM and I researched this for her Mum.

    1st is a household alarm that reaches any on the property, is waterproof and monitered 24/7. Comes with a long life battery and base station with 3g sim card.

    This has a button that has to be pushed to activate the alarm. Service is excellent.

    2nd is like a watch, with 4 g sim card, satellite tracking and motion sensor.

    This works well when the battery is charged. A supposed 12 hour battery life is in reality 3 hours. Motion sensor is very sensitive so false alarms are common.

    Both do provide peace of mind.

    Thanks.
    Do you know the brand or name of the service?

  30. calli
    #2739413
    I got a dose of TDS from the church lecturn this morning. You guessed it – a schoolmaster filling in for the minister.

    Last time I attended a church service was a christening in a cathedral, forget if it was CofE or RC as I had occasion to attend both in quick succession for the same purpose, and the message was exactly the same in each;

    Gun control.

    The (I think) CofE actually had a petition at the door, I thought it was an attendance register – like for funerals – until I read the fine print.
    At the handshake-as-you’re-leaving stage I broke from the usual “bless you” (or whatever) and had something to say about the non-divine & non-worship and totally inappropriate message.

    His High & Mightiness the Bishop was most put out, claimed his purpose was to save lives.

    Nope. Your role is to save souls, not lives.

  31. egg_

    “But the reality is this is an iconic national institution which will remain in the public’s hands.”

    Shut down coal fired power stations, but keep the steam meeja?

  32. struth

    But the reality is this is an iconic national institution which will remain in the public’s hands.”

    Whether the public wants it or not.

    POS, that boy.

  33. DrBeauGan

    Dave in Marybrook
    #2739571, posted on June 17, 2018 at 3:21 pm
    It was late, I admit, but off the cuff-
    “Mama” is spoken with a mouth full of teat, to someone very close-
    “Papa” or “dada” with a labial or palatal plosive is projected towards someone a bit more disant, at least at first.
    Sound reasonable?
    …do you think Lizzie would like it?

    It’s no dafter than Lizzie’s theory and augments it. It’s mildly amusing to speculate in this way. I guess investigating it in detail would get you a doctorate these days, whether in linguistics or child psychology I dunno. Inter-disciplinary is fashionable, so you might get two doctorates out of it. Of course you’d have to add considerable quantities of bullshit.

  34. Dave in Marybrook

    I’m trying for brevity here, not necessarily victory. It’s all conjecture.

  35. Farmer Gez

    Farmer Gez Are you getting any rain? I was up that way a couple of weeks ago and it was dry as a chip Silo trail

    25 mm for the last week. Thanks Chrisl.
    Crops are out of the ground but growing slowly. A combination of cold and heavy duty pre emergent herbicides.
    As for climate change nemkat, ask the Warmy Army to give a definitive answer as to how clouds form in the upper atmosphere?… you’ll be a while getting a reply.

  36. stackja

    Just Cranky texting.

  37. DrBeauGan

    Well if you want to be a Dr^2, this would be a way to do it. Some people get doctorates in subjects like child psychology and feel really good about themselves. And set about telling mothers how to bring up children. And you might get slightly better seats in restaurants.

    And you get to prance around in a scarlet dress instead of a black one at university ceremonies.

    If there are any other advantages, I haven’t found them.

  38. But the reality is this is an iconic national institution which will remain in the public’s hands.

    An iconic national institution attempted to mainstream ped#&sty four decades ago and then memory-holed the entire episode. No, no, the ABC may be an iconic national institution, but it has effectively been in the hands of Leftists since the 1970s, if not earlier, and has been engaged in a soft war with the Australian everyman ever since. What the coward Morrison is signaling to the upper echelons of the urban bugman class is that the LNP’s administration has not gone rogue, and will ignore the desires of the rank and file LNP.

  39. None

    As another year 11 student told me, if you don’t toe the line you get a really low mark, and you need a high mark to achieve extended unit courses – so there’s no possibility of telling the truth.

    So in that Catholic school at least they shall not bear false witness has been deleted from the moral code. Year 10 is neither here nor there but Miss Bartok will need a strategy to get through year 11 and 12 particularly if she needs the marks to get into uni. That strategy may include naming and shaming the school now or even changing schools but she’s learning a real valuable lesson in character which is going to be more valuable than any English class. I still think the Catholic Education office and the local Bishop might need to be informed just to let them know that your complaint is on record. Also someone like Kevin Donelly may be able to advise how to negotiate these situations. Among other things he was also an English teacher and an examiner for English. You could probably find his email very easily online.

  40. Remember, it’s days like today that remind us just how much scum and lees like Morrison and co. hate us.

  41. stackja

    DB – Alan Ashbolt’s legacy.

  42. None

    The 10 most widely spoken languages in the world, in terms of native speakers, which are: Mandarin, Spanish, English, Hindi, Arabic, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, Japanese and Punjabi.  The word for mama in tbese languages is: māma, mama, mamá, ma, mama, mamã, maa, mama, haha and mamī. Most believe it is just part of the natural language acquisition of humans whereby all babies go through a babbling stage. You also have to remember that parents encourage their kids to say mama and papa or haha or babi or whatever.

  43. Delta A

    Zycon, it was mentioned briefly upthread, but be sure that the device is NBN compatible. I guess most sold now would be, but it would pay to double check.

  44. DrBeauGan

    So in that Catholic school at least they shall not bear false witness has been deleted from the moral code.

    Spreading the lefty myths is so much more important than determining truth. Leftism is about control and power, not truth. It’s no longer a Catholic school. It’s promulgating a quite different religion.

  45. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ten purpose-built “escape-proof” cement and steel cells have been built at Sydney’s Long Bay prison to keep terror suspects separated from the mainstream jail population as they await court.

    Waiting for Amnesty or a UN “Special Rapporteur” to come jetting in from the cocktail circuit 1…2…3…

  46. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2739618, posted on June 17, 2018 at 4:14 pm
    The 10 most widely spoken languages in the world, in terms of native speakers, which are: Mandarin, Spanish, English, Hindi, Arabic, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, Japanese and Punjabi. The word for mama in tbese languages is: māma, mama, mamá, ma, mama, mamã, maa, mama, haha and mamī. Most believe it is just part of the natural language acquisition of humans whereby all babies go through a babbling stage. You also have to remember that parents encourage their kids to say mama and papa or haha or babi or whatever.

    Yes None, we know. But the babbling theory, as I pointed out to Lizzie last night, doesn’t account for the strong preference for mama to mean mother and papa to mean father. It ought to be fifty fifty if this is all. Dave came up with one explanation and I offered another.

  47. cohenite

    In a fairly mundane thread this caught my eye:

    For men were looking to capture the mysteries of the female vulva

    Yes indeedy, nothing like a captured vulva, distant cousin of the iced volvo. Yeats had that mystery under thumb some time ago:

    `A woman can be proud and stiff
    When on love intent;
    But Love has pitched his mansion in
    The place of excrement;
    For nothing can be sole or whole
    That has not been rent.’

  48. stackja

    Zycon – NBN doesn’t support phone care pendants. My village has replaced phone pedants with WiFi pedants.

  49. Woolfe

    I see Senator Lucy has been caught with her hand in out pockets. When a politician takes money they’re not entitled to its a misunderstanding. When the public do that its called theft.

  50. Tom

    Leftism is about control and power, not truth.

    Spot on, BeauGan. Ignore that truth at your peril. The only plan the left pursues is the acquisition of power.

    Forget the invented moral outrage about invented injustices: Nothing matters more to leftards than forcing normal people to live by their depraved standards.

    It’s all about the leftist aphrodisiac, power.

  51. None

     

    It’s no longer a Catholic school. It’s promulgating a quite different religion.

    A group of Catholic Catholic school teachers once told me that there is more pressure on teachers to conform to the left agenda in a Catholic school than in the state system, the reason being that parents paid fees even though they were relatively modest compared to other private schools, and they therefore felt they could dictate to teachers what should be taught. In some ways I sympathize with the parents because I still believe that parents have the primary responsibility for educating their children and if they want to educate them to the idiots then so be it . You have to remember too that a good lot of teachers in the Catholic school system are not Catholics or else collapsed Catholicz and even if they do sign some paper saying they will uphold the Catholic ethos many of them don’t. I believe now teachers have to have a particular post graduate certificate to teach in Catholic schools but I don’t think that means anything except a stream of revenue for institutions like the Australian Catholic University which offers that course.
    Ever since they told me that I have paid attention to the way some parents bail up Catholic schools to accept transgender students, boys wearing girls uniforms and the like. Personally I would just suggest that those parents be encouraged to send their kids elsewhere however that gets problematic given Catholic schools accept public monies etc.
    Personally I’d favour some sort of legally binding contract whereby if a parent agrees to enrol their child in a private school they agree to the school’s regulations and where they disagree they remove their kids. I don’t know if it’s doable and I doubt very much that the Catholics have the guts to enforce it anyway. They treat their schools like some sort of Holy Grail which is wrong. In my own experience the Catholic Church has outsourced its moral obligation to catechise its people and children to schools and school teachers where it should remain the role of the pafents, priest and assorted church workers. However I get the sense that the Catholics have found a bit of a revenue stream courtesy of the taxpayer and almost like all established churches have grown fat, complacent, weak and compromised. I can say the same is the case for Anglican schools. Probably the same for other religious schools but those two are the only ones with which I’ve had experience.

  52. chrisl

    Farmer Gez And how come it keeps snowing when they told us it wouldn’t ? Summers are hot and dry winters are cold and wet but sometimes they are t The end

  53. zyconoclast

    Zycon – NBN doesn’t support phone care pendants. My village has replaced phone pedants with WiFi pedants.

    2 things:
    Doesn’t WiFi rely on NBN?

    The replacement of pedants is a good thing. They just annoy everyone else 🙂

  54. None

    I see Senator Lucy has been caught with her hand in out pockets.

    and I for one am not surprised. She’s had her hand in our pockets since the day she arrived imho. I also found it instructive that Bernardi will not speak of her. I get the sense that he has a considerable amount of contempt for her and given he’s been in politics for 20 or so years and can pick the charlatans and the frauds he may have very good reason. I also was not surprised that she moved to the Liberals and I put money on in jest with a friend that she only did that provided she was guaranteed an electable spot on the senate ticket and that the Libs did that to keep a conservative away. And lo and behold guess what. ( it was a lame bet anyway because the other party had been a member of the Liberal Party in the past and was quite familiar with their machinations).
    Lucy is and opportunist, quite Machiavellian, not always forthcoming with the whole truth, and very much addicted to other people’s money.

  55. mizaris

    WA soon to be free of free, single use, plastic bags. Now we will buy extra thick plastic bags, which will take even longer to break down, as most of these bags will inevitably end up being single use. I wonder if anyone in any government is actually awake (excluding the UK coz they are so right on top of protecting grooming and rape cults).

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Liberal senator Lucy Gichuhi to repay misused funds

    The Australian
    3:30PM June 17, 2018

    A new Liberal senator recruit will fork up thousands of dollars to pay back Australian taxpayers for the misuse of public funds.

    The Daily Telegraph reported on Sunday that Senator Lucy Gichuhi, who joined the Liberals in February, billed taxpayers to fly two family members to Adelaide for her 50th birthday.

    “This was an administrative error involving misunderstanding of travel rules,” Senator Gichuhi tweeted on Sunday.

    “I’ve raised an invoice from the department to pay the costs of $2139 in full.

    A review of the parliamentary expenses system recommended family travel be permitted, but not as an indulgence.

    It followed the “Choppergate” scandal that forced the exit of then Speaker Bronwyn Bishop.

    “The family reunion travel entitlement is provided to allow senators and members to balance their work and family responsibilities, and to reconcile the need for them to be away from home for long periods with their family obligations,” parliamentary travel rules say.

    “The entitlement is not ­intended to provide a general travel entitlement for a senator or member’s spouse or nominee, dependent children or designated person”

  57. Roger

    …it’s days like today that remind us just how much scum and lees like Morrison and co. hate us.

    Shut it down and fire them all.

    The Liberal Party, that is. More chance of that than shutting down the ABC, it seems.

    Deny them your primary vote andthe electoral funding that is attached to it (270.479c currently)

  58. Boambee John

    stackja
    #2739615, posted on June 17, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    DB – Alan Ashbolt’s legacy.

    We can but hope that there is asbestos based paper in Hell, so that reading about his success with Their ABC gives him some consolation.

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA soon to be free of free, single use, plastic bags

    My local supermarket is already displaying a sign

    “Don’t be rude to the staff, it’s not their fault.”

  60. None

    “This was an administrative error involving misunderstanding of travel rules,” Senator Gichuhi tweeted on Sunday.

    remember this fraud claims to be a lawyer not that I think that she is and yet can’t understand a basic regulation. And pray tell since when did flying your friends over from Kenya for your birthday become a service to the public? She’s either a moron or a fraud.

  61. Motelier

    Zyconoclast.

    Tunstall in both cases.

    Recommend the first on for around the house.

    The second is good, but for battery life. Trying to get that sorted.

  62. Delta A

    “Don’t be rude to the staff, it’s not their fault.”

    Why would anyone be rude about this change? After all, ColesWorth assures us that the public overwhelmingly supports a ban on one use bags.

    They wouldn’t be telling porkies, would they?

  63. stackja

    Two men overdose at Sexpo exhibition
    Danielle Gusmaroli, The Daily Telegraph
    June 17, 2018 11:18am
    Subscriber only
    TWO men have been hospitalised for drug overdoses after attending Sexpo.

    A 21-year-old man was taken to Liverpool Hospital yesterday in a critical condition, where he was sedated for treatment, before being released today.

    A 24-year-old man was also taken to Bankstown Hospital in a stable condition.

    It is suspected both men took the same substance.

    Police said the men yesterday ingested an unknown substance that comes in a black clip-seal bag with ‘Australia’s No. 1’ after attending the Sexpo exhibition at Darling Harbour.

    2GB news called it a lifestyle event.

  64. Geriatric Mayfly

    Stony Brook University in Long Island, New York, will soon become the first college in the nation to offer a master’s degree in the emerging field of “Masculinities.”
    The Master’s Program in Masculinities will be a 30-credit online program offered through the school’s Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities, which aims to “disseminate research that redefines gender relations to foster greater social justice.”
    The center counts feminist icons such as Gloria Steinem, Eve Ensler, and Jane Fonda among its Board of Directors, and it is led by Michael Kimmel, a feminist academic who most recently wrote a book on “angry white men” suffering from “aggrieved entitlement.”
    PJ Media

    Instead of going straight to management over the burger flipping hot plate, this qualification would require a mandatory period of probation with the broom and mop.

  65. Stimpson J. Cat

    The absolute state of Elon.

    Elon Musk
    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    “No sense of humor” is certainly proving itself true. Good grief!
    How many socialists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
    Answer: That’s not funny!!
    11:43 PM · Jun 16, 2018

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all.
    11:47 PM · Jun 16, 2018

  66. Deny them your primary vote andthe electoral funding that is attached to it (270.479c currently)

    Yeah, that’ll show them. Just for the record:
    Total funds distributed by the AEC after the last federal election – around $60 million.
    Total (declared) business, corporate, union etc funds to the major parties – just under $1 billion.

    What is it going to take for some people to realise – YOU DON’T MATTER anymore.

  67. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #2739641, posted on June 17, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    Zycon – NBN doesn’t support phone care pendants. My village has replaced phone pedants with WiFi pedants.

    2 things:
    Doesn’t WiFi rely on NBN?

    The replacement of pedants is a good thing. They just annoy everyone else 🙂

    My NBN box has WiFi which I can use, but the care pedant use another WiFi box.

  68. nemkat

    Total (declared) business, corporate, union etc funds to the major parties – just under $1 billion.
    What time frame are we talking, mem?
    1901- the present, adjusted for Inflation?
    $1 Bil. still sounds a bit steep.

  69. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s no dafter than Lizzie’s theory and augments it.

    The mama and papa thesis is not my theory, Dr. Beaugan of the red cape and doctoral hate, although I do think it has merit. It is the theory accepted widely within the academic linguistics community and offered to the world in online courses on linguistics by some eminent linguists.

    The suggestion above that mama is an anterior phonemic variety because its easier to produce when on tit is a very interesting one. Also papa has more variety world wide – papa, papeh, tata, dada, etc, so a more developed form of language acquisition coming at an infant stage following the simple mama. All figures quite well to me. I don’t have particular skin in this game, just interested in language origins.

    ‘Daft’ is not a particularly useful word in discussions of such linguistic speculations and shows rather a closed mind, Dr. BG. What is your theory for this interesting world-wide empirical observation of linguistic kinship terms? It is hardly random, is it?

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh dear, doctoral hat, hat, not hate. I don’t hate people with doctorates. I am married to one!

  71. Baldrick

    The Daily Telegraph reported on Sunday that Senator Lucy Gichuhi, who joined the Liberals in February, billed taxpayers to fly two family members to Adelaide for her 50th birthday.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals. They learned nothing.

  72. .

    struth

    I brought up early integration, you insinuated protection policies had something to do with it and I pointed out they didn’t.

    Maybe you should pay more attention to the argument, rather than getting upset.

    The idea that the leftist black armband view of history being wrong is best countered by denying facts is just stupid.

    You go for the facts. Attitudes certainly have changed. No one believes that we should go around colonising bits of the planet anymore based on Vattel’s Law of Nations, do they?

    It was largely immorality wrapped up in legal and religious finery. Civilised, capitalist nations have been anticolonialist since 1945.

  73. Pickles
    #2739061, posted on June 16, 2018 at 11:29 pm
    Great Pink Floyd clip Steve. They always did very well with the back up singers, but the lass on the right is one of the best.

    Indeed.

    All three are a sight to behold. Tough song to perform live.



  74. .

    ‘Daft’ is not a particularly useful word in discussions of such linguistic speculations and shows rather a closed mind, Dr. BG. What is your theory for this interesting world-wide empirical observation of linguistic kinship terms? It is hardly random, is it?

    Gobekli Tepe.

    The survivors of a great cataclysm ended up with a common language.

    Native Americans are different because they weren’t there.

  75. Geriatric Mayfly

    We can but hope that there is asbestos based paper in Hell,

    And a few stray fibres left floating about for Red Kez, whose obsessive compulsive disorder regarding asbestos was never properly diagnosed. Otherwise he would have been carted off stage Left. At its raging height, the James Hardie company was always centre stage which fitted in perfectly with the ABC’s abiding intolerance for private enterprise.

  76. nemkat

    This Is England. Keep Calm And Carry On.

    So, what are all these Pakistanis doing in Old England?
    I’m glad you asked that, Skip.
    Well, once upon a time, there was this great War Leader who was never wrong about anything, named Winston Churchill.
    Anyway, in 1951, Winnie, who was the Conservative P.M., but who had previously been a Liberal, and before that, a Conservative, decided that the U.K. didn’t have enough shit carters and Bus Drivers, and that every person in the British Commonwealth ought to have the Right to settle in the U.K..
    The End

  77. DrBeauGan

    ‘Daft’ is not a particularly useful word in discussions of such linguistic speculations and shows rather a closed mind, Dr. BG. What is your theory for this interesting world-wide empirical observation of linguistic kinship terms? It is hardly random, is it?

    I told you. I conjecture an ur-language from which all current natural languages are derived, which chose the babbling word and fixed it.

    This is a daft speculation because there is no way to confirm or refute it short of a time machine. It’s harmless but fundamentally, well, daft, to spend time or energy on. There are much better things to think about.

  78. Confused Old Misfit

    No one believes that we should go around colonising bits of the planet anymore ….

    Not sure that that unequivocal statement would hold up dot.
    Certain fanatics of a particular religious persuasion and certain leaders of previously rabidly socialist countries might quietly disagree.
    I cannot comment on their intent to comply or not to comply with Vattel’s Law of Nations.

  79. .

    Hence you agree that it is at least misguided, but probably also immoral.

  80. zyconoclast

    Motelier
    #2739664, posted on June 17, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Thanks

  81. DrBeauGan

    Dot is basically using the ur-language theory but I’m not sure gobekli tepe is early enough.

  82. egg_

    Total funds distributed by the AEC after the last federal election – around $60 million.
    Total (declared) business, corporate, union etc funds to the major parties – just under $1 billion.

    What is it going to take for some people to realise – YOU DON’T MATTER anymore.

    As Trumble had to kick in a lazy Million or so means the LNP is a little cash poor.

  83. John Constantine

    Their yarragrad not the most challenging place to farm afterall.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cut-off-hawaii-lava-pot-growers-refuse-let-122132398.html

    Trapped by a volcano on a hilltop surrounded by lava, these legal marijuana growers are sitting it out for the duration, on top of a hundred grand worth of pot.

    Wonder if the stress is getting to them?.

  84. All this talk of selling off the ABC is nonsense.
    It has a couple of hundred million $ in assets, produces bugger-all of retail value, has 5,000 plus highly paid employees and contractors, and currently costs $1.2 billion a year to run.

    Who the hell would buy it? And for how much?

  85. Bruce in WA

    [Bruce in WA – By the Sea might not be your cup of tea]

    Thanks for the heads-up. But as I find Jolie and Pitt odious, as well as tedious, there’s not much chance of me watching it.

  86. None

    I told you. I conjecture an ur-language from which all current natural languages are derived, which chose the babbling word and fixed it.

    you would have very little support for that among linguists and cognitive scientists.

  87. .

    Who the hell would buy it? And for how much?

    Hopefully a charismatic billionaire with a lot of anger issues and a lot of firepower.

  88. calli

    Steve Trickler’s here. Good. I was thinking of your music posts this afternoon as I listened to this.

  89. calli

    And now for my next trick….

    This.

  90. .

    The earliest part of Gobekli Tepe goes back to 11,130 years BP.

  91. Anyway, in 1951, Winnie, who was the Conservative P.M., but who had previously been a Liberal, and before that, a Conservative, decided that the U.K. didn’t have enough shit carters and Bus Drivers, and that every person in the British Commonwealth ought to have the Right to settle in the U.K..
    The End

    This is why i told my children – Don’t.Smoke.Crack.

  92. rickw

    The most rotten part of the flight was listening to a young female liberal talk at an older island guy.

    These stupid bint’s don’t have a mind of their own, everything they say is cookie cutter liberal, zero variation from stupid.

    (Funniest bit was she’d done some chemical analysis of cooking smoke, this disproportionately impacted on women, a gender inequality issue of course. Old bloke: you don’t cook with your head in the smoke do you?, and besides, what goes in the house helps keep the mosquitoes out.)

  93. And now for my next trick….

    Note to musicians

    LSD is not your friend

    Just saying.

  94. mh

    They are not “single-use” plastic bags, of course.

    I should not be reminded of Orwell when I go fricking shopping.

  95. John Constantine

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-13/trudeau-s-legal-pot-law-nears-finish-line-ahead-of-summer-recess

    Watching Canada for a while and we won’t have to argue how a major western democracy would cope with legalised marijuana use.

    Huge market capitalisation of the combined north American marijuana stocks means they can’t all win, but the massive predicted market will enable some victors.

    If it can choke money away from organised crime, the benefits of that should outweigh the downside of people exercising their rights to do daft stuff.

    No point guessing now, just watch trudeaus Canada for the real time outcome.

    Comrade Cheech and Comrade Chong never thought the day would come.

  96. calli

    😄

    Timothy Leary’s dead.
    No, no, no, no he’s outside
    Looking in.

  97. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev announced on Thursday the Russian state pension age would be hiked from 60 to 65 for men by 2028 and 55 to 63 for women by 2034.

    Expected to be officially adopted by next year, the new policy would mean the country’s retirement age for men would be only a year lower than the World Health Organisation’s estimated life expectancy for a Russian man of 66.

  98. miltonf

    I’d be interested to know why Senator Lucy left Family First. Sounds like some sort of bust up happened.

  99. None

    Carpe Jugulum

    #2739731, posted on June 17, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    Agree.

  100. None

    I’d be interested to know why Senator Lucy left Family First. Sounds like some sort of bust up happened.

    Lucy never joined Family First properly. She was doing work experience for a month or so with Bob Day in Canberra and he needed a running mate for the senate ticket so she agreed to put her name on it. As it turned out with everything going pear shaped she ended up getting a senate place. Soon after that, Family First merged with Australian Conservatives. I’m not quite sure if Cory Bernardi just didn’t want her or she didn’t want to jpin the Conservatives – the spin she gave while she was on her tax-funded brought in Kenya was that she wanted to sit back and learn about politics because we pay $300,000 a year to our senators to play with training wheels – but she then went independent before she hooked up with the Liberals. My own suspicion is that having gotten her snout in the trough again, she wanted some sort of assurances of keeping her snout in the trough and Bernardi was never going to be that stupid. I’m not surprised that now we find out she’s been given third spot on the Liberal Senate ticket for South Australia above other long-standing liberals (=Conservatives) and this after only getting about 100 votes in her own right herself. Lucy is an opportunist Machiavellian to the core and not what she presents herself to be. You’d be a total moron to vote Liberal in South Australia.

  101. calli

    Watch out you music barbarians. I’ll start posting Yes directly. Or ELO.

  102. nemkat

    Family First folded into the AustCons, but Senator Lucy demurred,.
    Fair enough, she joined the Libs. Howard has supported her bid for #3 on their S.A.Senate Ticket.
    If she can get up at the election, it’s all been worth it.

  103. miltonf

    Noted thanks None. Who’s no. 1 in SA? Birmingham I suppose. Oh Lord.

  104. cohenite

    Civilised, capitalist nations have been anticolonialist since 1945.

    There’s half the problem.

  105. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2739722, posted on June 17, 2018 at 5:42 pm
    I told you. I conjecture an ur-language from which all current natural languages are derived, which chose the babbling word and fixed it.

    you would have very little support for that among linguists and cognitive scientists.

    You’d be astonished how little I care.

    Dot, I don’t know when the epicanthial fold originated, but it was widespread 5,000 years ago. I suppose it’s just possible it happened five thousand years before that. Which would make it possible that it came after the alleged catastrophe recorded at gobekli tepe. It would have to for the Chinese and Japanese languages to show the consonance they do.

    I don’t know how much if any consonance there is in Amerindian languages there is. It would be interesting to know. If none, then your gobekli tepe theory looks more credible.

    Otherwise a genuine ur-language would have to go back to the dawn of man. The idea that there wasn’t an ur-language and that a number of different African subgroups invented language independently looks too implausible to be worth considering.

  106. None

    I was thinking that Canada might be a nice destination for a holiday but no way am I going to a nation where 70% a f****** off their faces. No way could you trust an Uber or a train driver, or a pilot, nobody. Such demented people who can’t face reality without mind altering substances which also trigger murderous psychotic episodes don’t deserve any business. I am I should buy a girlfriend who is married to a Canadian for many years and spent half her time over there that they are the world’s most boring humorless people and will only be 100 times worse went off their face.

  107. None

     

    The idea that there wasn’t an ur-language and that a number of different African subgroups invented language independently looks too implausible to be worth considering.

    Nope. Language is not ‘invented’.

  108. cohenite

    Finally, the latest news from Victoria on the scarcely believable legislation for a treaty with the Aboriginals. It has passed the lower house and is making its way to their Lordships in the Legislative Council. But wait! The Greens say they now want the Bill to say that the Aboriginals still, today, have sovereignty over the whole of Victoria!

    https://www.facebook.com/dallas.beaufort/posts/10155746178749370

  109. nemkat

    I’m not surprised that now we find out she’s been given third spot on the Liberal Senate ticket for South Australia above other long-standing liberals (=Conservatives) and this after only getting about 100 votes in her own right herself.

    Bob Day was a long standing Liberal, he would’ve got plenty of votes, so the 100 she got below the line is irrelevant. The Liberal Party have got the seat back, she’s done the right thing, and it’s up to the rank and file to support her.
    m Someone’s leaked this shit about the travel, so it won’t be long before the ALP dawg whistlin starts in earnest.

  110. None

    I’d have to check miltonf. If he’s up for reelection next year yes he would be. I share your antipathy for that twerp.

  111. .

    mind altering substance(s) which also trigger murderous psychotic episodes

    No mind altering drug actually does this. Certainly not marijuana.

  112. nemkat

    1. Anne Ruston
    2.David Fawcett
    3. Lucy Gichuhi

  113. Infidel Tiger

    I was thinking that Canada might be a nice destination for a holiday but no way am I going to a nation where 70% a f****** off their faces. No way could you trust an Uber or a train driver, or a pilot, nobody. Such demented people who can’t face reality without mind altering substances which also trigger murderous psychotic episodes don’t deserve any business. I am I should buy a girlfriend who is married to a Canadian for many years and spent half her time over there that they are the world’s most boring humorless people and will only be 100 times worse went off their face.

    Are you a heavy drinker of turpentine?

  114. H B Bear

    Do it Victoriastanis. It will make Mabo look like a walk in the park.

  115. None

    In dot’s case, his posts here are evidence of inborn psychosis. When is on the bong he goes full metal hallucination.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/cannabis-and-psychosis-what-is-the-link-and-who-is-at-risk-95368

  116. OneWorldGovernment

    calli

    or this one.

  117. Makka

    Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev announced on Thursday the Russian state pension age would be hiked from 60 to 65 for men by 2028

    In the heavy industrialised parts of Russia, the poor buggers are very lucky to make it to 45.

  118. None

    Are you a heavy drinker of turpentine?

    No, my software just goes spazzo sometimes when I mutter while I’m doing something else.

  119. calli

    I’m off to Canada next year.

    Should I worry?

  120. Makka

    I’m off to Canada next year.

    Is the Stampede on the program calli?

  121. .

    I’m off to Canada next year.

    Should I worry?

    Not if you’re sane.

  122. OneWorldGovernment

    Re The Australian Broadcasting Company of 1929.

    It is my understanding that The Allan Music conglomerate were the instigators.

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Do it Victoriastanis. It will make Mabo look like a walk in the park.

    Particularly the clauses involving “compensation” and “reparations.”

  124. Zaan

    Bela Bartok
    Advise your daughter to hang in
    She can get through it, my daughter did.
    She went through a bit though, the usual racist, sexist?, homophobe.
    The hypocrisy of the left, they called her racist even though she was the only one donating her time to teach refugees english, real refugees who had , some of them, been in refugee camps for over 10 years.
    You know the refugees the left don’t want to know about.
    She finished school with an ATAR of 94.
    Hasn’t looked back.
    Good luck.

  125. John Constantine

    As has been mentioned here before, the point of the treaty with victorias aboriginals is simply to create an entity that can bypass Australian law and go straight to international courts, conducted in foreign languages, that can convict Australian citizens of crimes because of conduct that would not produce a conviction in an Australian court.

    The Essendon football club was only the start.

    How can a bankrupt local shire council defend itself against charges heard in The Hague?.

    Against an opponent funded by the borrowings of the federal taxpayer?.

    “Warring Down” is a major tool of fashionable decolonialisation theory, and if a treaty gives a left allied activist group the power to lawfare Tories into bankruptcy, then it is all part of the Struggle.

    Comrades.

  126. calli

    Calgary certainly is. But we are there in June.

    I’ll be in the Bahamas for the stampede. 🍹

  127. Baldrick

    I’m off to Canada next year.
    Should I worry?

    Those Canadian protesters can be a little rough calli.

  128. DrBeauGan

    I’m off to Canada next year.

    Is the Stampede on the program calli?

    The Calgary stampede is really cool.

  129. calli

    I believe eyebrow theft is also a problem. Must be the cold weather.

  130. .

    As has been mentioned here before, the point of the treaty with victorias aboriginals is simply to create an entity that can bypass Australian law and go straight to international courts, conducted in foreign languages, that can convict Australian citizens of crimes because of conduct that would not produce a conviction in an Australian court.

    How does that work? None of it is legal. Several points of that proposal are unconstitutional.

  131. DrBeauGan

    I doubt if the Bahamas stampede has real bison.

  132. Delta A

    Zaan
    #2739776, posted on June 17, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    Congratulations to you and your daughter.

    She is going to do very well indeed!

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How does that work? None of it is legal. Several points of that proposal are unconstitutional.

    I’m of the understanding that no treaty would ever get past the High Court.

  134. John Constantine

    Their turnfailure has been banking quite a profitable return on his invested million that got him the top job.

    Getting a payrise to 530 grand a year, plus benefits.

    The super and pension will be nice.

    Plus if he worded it right he can demand his risk capital back from the turnbull election winning machine if they give him the arse.

    Just saying I will borrow a mill and lend it to the libs if I get a 530 grand a year job, plus benefits plus lifetime pension plus lifetime benefits on top of the return of the capital invested.

    Comrade Maaaates.

  135. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    mind altering substance(s) which also trigger murderous psychotic episodes

    No mind altering drug actually does this. Certainly not marijuana.

    er… there are countless examples of drug psychosis induced murders.

  136. Zaan

    Thanks Delta
    She is doing great, just finished working in the US for a year.
    Hubby and I are very proud.
    Our son gave Uni a swerve, is now an apprentice electrician.
    Very proud of him too.

  137. Infidel Tiger

    Props to the Pope. Like most Spicks he is atrocious on economics , but he is very good on this abortion which the left continue to ignore:

    ”Last century, the whole world was scandalized by what the Nazis did to purify the race. Today, we do the same thing but with white gloves.”

  138. cohenite

    I don’t know what power that imbecile Andrews would use to have a state based treaty with a pack of urban aboriginals. Section 51(xxix) and Section 109 would seem to be able to squash any such state based treaty although the treaty isn’t an external affair. This country is terminally stupid.

  139. OneWorldGovernment

    calli

    worked in West Perth for a while.

    met this Canadian bloke who had married an Australian.

    We are standing on ‘the smokers balcony’ and he told me is bringing his Mum & Dad out for a visit from Calgary which at the time was somewhere around -40 when Perth was about 100.

    I said make sure of their health as a 140 degrees differential might upset them!

  140. Snoopy

    Our son gave Uni a swerve, is now an apprentice electrician.
    Very proud of him too.

    He’ll be sorry when electricity is delivered wirelessly.

  141. John Constantine

    Their Victorian government funds the sovereign aboriginal peoples of Victoria to take their case to their united nations international tribunals, bypassing the feds and making them look like officious unelectable bastards when they break the hearts of the aboriginal peoples again.

    Think Lawfare and Theatre and Political Advantage.

    Think the Threat of the same.

    Their turnbull election winning machine will be consulting focus groups in marginal electorates as we type, figuring out what their principles are on this issue.

    Mabo was never what it is now at the start.

  142. Delta A

    Our son gave Uni a swerve, is now an apprentice electrician.

    My nephew (great nephew, actually) is doing a vet electrician course in his last two years of high school. He has already been offered an apprenticeship.

    An excellent career choice.

  143. OneWorldGovernment

    Steve Trickler

  144. Gab

    The Pope calls abortionists – and those who support abortion – Nazis.

    Well done!

  145. cohenite

    He’ll be sorry when electricity is delivered wirelessly.

    He’ll be even sorrier when there’s no electricity at all.

  146. The Pope calls abortionists – and those who support abortion – Nazis.

    And left wing heads are exploding everywhere!
    The last time it was this much fun reading left wing comments was when Trumpy got elected.

  147. What is the origin of the myth that Canadians are especially polite?
    I’ve been hearing it for years, mainly from Canadians I hire who promptly tell me or rather, dogmatically inform me by ramming it down my neck, that they are the politest people on the planet.

    Canadians are not as blunt as South Africans. South Africans usually aren’t offensive, blunt as they are.
    Canadians however are downright offensive.

  148. Baldrick

    The Pope calls abortionists – and those who support abortion – Nazis.

    Well that’s the first time I’ve agreed with His Holiness in 5 years.

  149. .

    er… there are countless examples of drug psychosis induced murders

    Countless examples!

  150. I learn, via Rebel Media, that the Supreme Court of Canada ruled 7- 2 against Trinity Western University on Friday. Effectively, this judgement approved the decision of three provincial law societies to exclude any graduate from TWU Law School from practising law because they disagreed with the University’s Code of Conduct.

  151. Someone’s not pushing that “drugs are harmless” line again are they?

  152. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Pope calls abortionists – and those who support abortion – Nazis.
    Well done!

    Yikes! My local Member, and an Emily’s Lister in full flower, is a Nazi. Not too many wimminzes made it to the upper echelons in Adolph’s time.

  153. DrBeauGan

    Serena at the Pub
    #2739808, posted on June 17, 2018 at 6:58 pm
    Someone’s not pushing that “drugs are harmless” line again are they?

    No, no. Drugs turn people into murderous maniacs. Well known fact.

    Except alcohol and nicotine, of course.

  154. .

    There is a big difference between:

    “Drugs are harmless”

    and:

    “Marijuana does not cause psychotic murder rampages”
    “There are not “countless” examples of drug-induced homicidal rampages”

    No need to be a drama queen, Serena.

  155. Snoopy

    The Pope calls abortionists – and those who support abortion – Nazis.

    He’s being dishonest of course. The USSR had much higher rates of abortion than Nazi Germany.

  156. OneWorldGovernment

    Steve Tickler

  157. .

    I learn, via Rebel Media, that the Supreme Court of Canada ruled 7- 2 against Trinity Western University on Friday. Effectively, this judgement approved the decision of three provincial law societies to exclude any graduate from TWU Law School from practising law because they disagreed with the University’s Code of Conduct.

    What an absolute disgrace. Taxpayer-funded service providers demanding behavioural codes of their customers. The lawyer’s cartel demanding that they pay lip service to this bullshit.

  158. No need to be a drama queen, Serena.

    Apologies for offending your libertarian jackboots Sir.

    Just that every now & then some libertarian numpty who has never been out of a comfy suburban existence, will opine loudly that there are no downsides to totally liberalising every currently illicit drug, as the market will sort it out or something, & there’s no behaviour ill-effects, apart from “people having a good time” or somesuch rubbish.

  159. nemkat

    “There are not “countless” examples of drug-induced homicidal rampages”

    Chrystal Meth, Roids, Datura, Cocaine, ringing any bells for you, Sherlock?

  160. Infidel Tiger

    ChickfilA is the greatest company on earth. We need them in Australia so badly:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Johnny_Joey/status/1008196760680923136

  161. The deciding factor should be limited to:
    Ability to pass a law exam.
    Ability to pass probity.
    Not be a bankrupt.

    “Your uni didn’t have an on campus gay mardi gras complete with blokes in arseless chaps riding on floats in a parade”
    Nah… doesn’t really cut it as a reason to disbar someone.

  162. herodotus

    Two men overdose at Sexpo exhibition
    Sounds like an episode of that old show of Paul Fenech’s: “Pizza”.

  163. .

    Marijuana has killed no one, and as a cancer treatment, it has saved lives, on top of its use in pain treatment and palliative care.

  164. Geriatric Mayfly

    as the market will sort it out or something, & there’s no behaviour ill-effects, apart from “people having a good time” or somesuch rubbish

    Enough of that fentanyl elephant tranquilliser, seized last week, to fire up quite a rave in the bone orchard.

  165. Snoopy

    Marijuana has killed no one

    It’s curious that tobacco tar is carcinogenic while marijuana which contains much more tar (so I’m told) is virtually a tonic.

  166. .

    nemkat
    #2739821, posted on June 17, 2018 at 7:08 pm
    “There are not “countless” examples of drug-induced homicidal rampages”

    Chrystal Meth, Roids, Datura, Cocaine, ringing any bells for you, Sherlock?

    Please name one person who has gone postal with Datura – it is a sedative in high doses.

  167. zyconoclast

    Premier-Designate Doug Ford Announces an End to Ontario’s Cap-and-Trade Carbon Tax
    Incoming government will use every power available to challenge federal government’s authority to impose a carbon tax on Ontario families, individuals and small businesses

    June 15, 2018 10:40 A.M.Office of the Premier-designate
    TORONTO — Premier-designate Doug Ford today announced that his cabinet’s first act following the swearing-in of his government will be to cancel Ontario’s current cap-and-trade scheme, and challenge the federal government’s authority to impose a carbon tax on the people of Ontario.

    “I made a promise to the people that we would take immediate action to scrap the cap-and-trade carbon tax and bring their gas prices down,” said Ford. “Today, I want to confirm that as a first step to lowering taxes in Ontario, the carbon tax’s days are numbered.”

    Ford also announced that Ontario would be serving notice of its withdrawal from the joint agreement linking Ontario, Quebec and California’s cap-and-trade markets as well as the pro-carbon tax Western Climate Initiative. The Premier-designate confirmed that he has directed officials to immediately take steps to withdraw Ontario from future auctions for cap-and-trade credits. The government will provide clear rules for the orderly wind down of the cap-and-trade program.

    Finally, Ford announced that he will be issuing specific directions to his incoming attorney general to use all available resources at the disposal of the government to challenge the federal government’s authority to arbitrarily impose a carbon tax on Ontario families.

    “Eliminating the carbon tax and cap-and-trade is the right thing to do and is a key component in our plan to bring your gas prices down by 10 cents per litre,” said Ford. “It also sends a clear message that things are now different. No longer will Ontario’s government answer to insiders, special interests and elites. Instead, we will now have a government for the people. Help is here.”

  168. nemkat

    Marijuana has killed no one, and as a cancer treatment, it has saved lives, on top of its use in pain treatment and palliative care.
    That’s funny, wasn’t there this place called Griffith, where many people involved in the Marijuana Trade disappeared suddenly?
    That couldn’t have been real good for their health.

  169. Marijuana has killed no one

    The Home Hill backpacker killer was in marijuana induced psychosis when he committed the murders.
    This is what got him off criminal liability.

  170. nemkat

    Please name one person who has gone postal with Datura – it is a sedative in high doses.

    Bullshit.
    There were a number of deaths at Byron Bay in 1973 attributed to Datura, according to an Inquest

  171. Boambee John

    If the Victorian Slime manage to get their desired clause recognising continuing aboriginal sovereignty over the whole state, will Dick Di Natale have to sack his au pairs so he can pay his land rent to Geoff Clarke?

    More seriously is even Dan the Man stupid to let this happen? Raising doubts about the ownership of backyards, and the possibility of land rent being charged as “reparations” must be the quickest form of electoral suicide yet devised.

  172. Roger

    Props to the Pope. Like most Spicks he is atrocious on economics…

    Spicks?

    It’s spic!

    Let’s get our ethnic slurs correct, we have standards to maintain.

  173. Boambee John

    stupid enough

    Read before posting!

  174. nemkat

    #1 on search term Datura deaths is Wiki> 2,778 deaths.

  175. .

    A schizophrenic Islamic terrorist uses marijuana before he kills someone and it is the fault of the demon weed?

    You can make your own arguments for Muslim immigration, but I think we shouldn’t import schizophrenics either.

  176. Tel

    Zycon – NBN doesn’t support phone care pendants. My village has replaced phone pedants with WiFi pedants.

    If by “phone care pendants” you mean a telephone that can be carried on a necklace where it’s easy to reach, just buy a $10 per month mobile SIM plan and a little flip phone that is robust and can hang on anything you like.

    You might have existing equipment, often 1.8GHz DECT connecting to a base station with old fashioned analog telephone wire connected… NBN supports that, you can see the “UNI-V” ports on the box here…

    https://www.tpg.com.au/support/nbn/ntd

    Depending on your plan and service provider those ports might or might not be activated, but if you ask first you should be OK. The problem with WiFi is typically poor range and savage battery consumption, although the smart WiFi devices go into a partial shut-down when not in use that means no one can call you because you “vanish” from the network (also you don’t know whether you have wandered out of range).

  177. zyconoclast

    The downside of diversity
    A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?

    By Michael Jonas | August 5, 2007

    IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

    But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam — famous for “Bowling Alone,” his 2000 book on declining civic engagement — has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

    “The extent of the effect is shocking,” says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.

    The study comes at a time when the future of the American melting pot is the focus of intense political debate, from immigration to race-based admissions to schools, and it poses challenges to advocates on all sides of the issues. The study is already being cited by some conservatives as proof of the harm large-scale immigration causes to the nation’s social fabric. But with demographic trends already pushing the nation inexorably toward greater diversity, the real question may yet lie ahead: how to handle the unsettling social changes that Putnam’s research predicts.

    “We can’t ignore the findings,” says Ali Noorani, executive director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition. “The big question we have to ask ourselves is, what do we do about it; what are the next steps?”

    The study is part of a fascinating new portrait of diversity emerging from recent scholarship. Diversity, it shows, makes us uncomfortable — but discomfort, it turns out, isn’t always a bad thing. Unease with differences helps explain why teams of engineers from different cultures may be ideally suited to solve a vexing problem. Culture clashes can produce a dynamic give-and-take, generating a solution that may have eluded a group of people with more similar backgrounds and approaches. At the same time, though, Putnam’s work adds to a growing body of research indicating that more diverse populations seem to extend themselves less on behalf of collective needs and goals.

    His findings on the downsides of diversity have also posed a challenge for Putnam, a liberal academic whose own values put him squarely in the pro-diversity camp. Suddenly finding himself the bearer of bad news, Putnam has struggled with how to present his work. He gathered the initial raw data in 2000 and issued a press release the following year outlining the results. He then spent several years testing other possible explanations.

    When he finally published a detailed scholarly analysis in June in the journal Scandinavian Political Studies, he faced criticism for straying from data into advocacy. His paper argues strongly that the negative effects of diversity can be remedied, and says history suggests that ethnic diversity may eventually fade as a sharp line of social demarcation.

    “Having aligned himself with the central planners intent on sustaining such social engineering, Putnam concludes the facts with a stern pep talk,” wrote conservative commentator Ilana Mercer, in a recent Orange County Register op-ed titled “Greater diversity equals more misery.”

    Putnam has long staked out ground as both a researcher and a civic player, someone willing to describe social problems and then have a hand in addressing them. He says social science should be “simultaneously rigorous and relevant,” meeting high research standards while also “speaking to concerns of our fellow citizens.” But on a topic as charged as ethnicity and race, Putnam worries that many people hear only what they want to.

    “It would be unfortunate if a politically correct progressivism were to deny the reality of the challenge to social solidarity posed by diversity,” he writes in the new report. “It would be equally unfortunate if an ahistorical and ethnocentric conservatism were to deny that addressing that challenge is both feasible and desirable.”

    . . .

    Putnam is the nation’s premier guru of civic engagement. After studying civic life in Italy in the 1970s and 1980s, Putnam turned his attention to the US, publishing an influential journal article on civic engagement in 1995 that he expanded five years later into the best-selling “Bowling Alone.” The book sounded a national wake-up call on what Putnam called a sharp drop in civic connections among Americans. It won him audiences with presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and made him one of the country’s best known social scientists.

    Putnam claims the US has experienced a pronounced decline in “social capital,” a term he helped popularize. Social capital refers to the social networks — whether friendships or religious congregations or neighborhood associations — that he says are key indicators of civic well-being. When social capital is high, says Putnam, communities are better places to live. Neighborhoods are safer; people are healthier; and more citizens vote.

    The results of his new study come from a survey Putnam directed among residents in 41 US communities, including Boston. Residents were sorted into the four principal categories used by the US Census: black, white, Hispanic, and Asian. They were asked how much they trusted their neighbors and those of each racial category, and questioned about a long list of civic attitudes and practices, including their views on local government, their involvement in community projects, and their friendships. What emerged in more diverse communities was a bleak picture of civic desolation, affecting everything from political engagement to the state of social ties.

    Putnam knew he had provocative findings on his hands. He worried about coming under some of the same liberal attacks that greeted Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s landmark 1965 report on the social costs associated with the breakdown of the black family. There is always the risk of being pilloried as the bearer of “an inconvenient truth,” says Putnam.

    After releasing the initial results in 2001, Putnam says he spent time “kicking the tires really hard” to be sure the study had it right. Putnam realized, for instance, that more diverse communities tended to be larger, have greater income ranges, higher crime rates, and more mobility among their residents — all factors that could depress social capital independent of any impact ethnic diversity might have.

    “People would say, ‘I bet you forgot about X,'” Putnam says of the string of suggestions from colleagues. “There were 20 or 30 X’s.”

    But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to “distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television.”

    “People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to ‘hunker down’ — that is, to pull in like a turtle,” Putnam writes.

    In documenting that hunkering down, Putnam challenged the two dominant schools of thought on ethnic and racial diversity, the “contact” theory and the “conflict” theory. Under the contact theory, more time spent with those of other backgrounds leads to greater understanding and harmony between groups. Under the conflict theory, that proximity produces tension and discord.

    Putnam’s findings reject both theories. In more diverse communities, he says, there were neither great bonds formed across group lines nor heightened ethnic tensions, but a general civic malaise. And in perhaps the most surprising result of all, levels of trust were not only lower between groups in more diverse settings, but even among members of the same group.

    “Diversity, at least in the short run,” he writes, “seems to bring out the turtle in all of us.”

    The overall findings may be jarring during a time when it’s become commonplace to sing the praises of diverse communities, but researchers in the field say they shouldn’t be.

    “It’s an important addition to a growing body of evidence on the challenges created by diversity,” says Harvard economist Edward Glaeser.

    In a recent study, Glaeser and colleague Alberto Alesina demonstrated that roughly half the difference in social welfare spending between the US and Europe — Europe spends far more — can be attributed to the greater ethnic diversity of the US population. Glaeser says lower national social welfare spending in the US is a “macro” version of the decreased civic engagement Putnam found in more diverse communities within the country.

    Economists Matthew Kahn of UCLA and Dora Costa of MIT reviewed 15 recent studies in a 2003 paper, all of which linked diversity with lower levels of social capital. Greater ethnic diversity was linked, for example, to lower school funding, census response rates, and trust in others. Kahn and Costa’s own research documented higher desertion rates in the Civil War among Union Army soldiers serving in companies whose soldiers varied more by age, occupation, and birthplace.

    Birds of different feathers may sometimes flock together, but they are also less likely to look out for one another. “Everyone is a little self-conscious that this is not politically correct stuff,” says Kahn.

    . . .

    So how to explain New York, London, Rio de Janiero, Los Angeles — the great melting-pot cities that drive the world’s creative and financial economies?

    The image of civic lassitude dragging down more diverse communities is at odds with the vigor often associated with urban centers, where ethnic diversity is greatest. It turns out there is a flip side to the discomfort diversity can cause. If ethnic diversity, at least in the short run, is a liability for social connectedness, a parallel line of emerging research suggests it can be a big asset when it comes to driving productivity and innovation. In high-skill workplace settings, says Scott Page, the University of Michigan political scientist, the different ways of thinking among people from different cultures can be a boon.

    “Because they see the world and think about the world differently than you, that’s challenging,” says Page, author of “The Difference: How the Power of Diversity Creates Better Groups, Firms, Schools, and Societies.” “But by hanging out with people different than you, you’re likely to get more insights. Diverse teams tend to be more productive.”

    In other words, those in more diverse communities may do more bowling alone, but the creative tensions unleashed by those differences in the workplace may vault those same places to the cutting edge of the economy and of creative culture.

    Page calls it the “diversity paradox.” He thinks the contrasting positive and negative effects of diversity can coexist in communities, but “there’s got to be a limit.” If civic engagement falls off too far, he says, it’s easy to imagine the positive effects of diversity beginning to wane as well. “That’s what’s unsettling about his findings,” Page says of Putnam’s new work.

    Meanwhile, by drawing a portrait of civic engagement in which more homogeneous communities seem much healthier, some of Putnam’s worst fears about how his results could be used have been realized. A stream of conservative commentary has begun — from places like the Manhattan Institute and “The American Conservative” — highlighting the harm the study suggests will come from large-scale immigration. But Putnam says he’s also received hundreds of complimentary emails laced with bigoted language. “It certainly is not pleasant when David Duke’s website hails me as the guy who found out racism is good,” he says.

    In the final quarter of his paper, Putnam puts the diversity challenge in a broader context by describing how social identity can change over time. Experience shows that social divisions can eventually give way to “more encompassing identities” that create a “new, more capacious sense of ‘we,'” he writes.

    Growing up in the 1950s in a small Midwestern town, Putnam knew the religion of virtually every member of his high school graduating class because, he says, such information was crucial to the question of “who was a possible mate or date.” The importance of marrying within one’s faith, he says, has largely faded since then, at least among many mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Jews.

    While acknowledging that racial and ethnic divisions may prove more stubborn, Putnam argues that such examples bode well for the long-term prospects for social capital in a multiethnic America.

    In his paper, Putnam cites the work done by Page and others, and uses it to help frame his conclusion that increasing diversity in America is not only inevitable, but ultimately valuable and enriching. As for smoothing over the divisions that hinder civic engagement, Putnam argues that Americans can help that process along through targeted efforts. He suggests expanding support for English-language instruction and investing in community centers and other places that allow for “meaningful interaction across ethnic lines.”

    Some critics have found his prescriptions underwhelming. And in offering ideas for mitigating his findings, Putnam has drawn scorn for stepping out of the role of dispassionate researcher. “You’re just supposed to tell your peers what you found,” says John Leo, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank. “I don’t expect academics to fret about these matters.”

    But fretting about the state of American civic health is exactly what Putnam has spent more than a decade doing. While continuing to research questions involving social capital, he has directed the Saguaro Seminar, a project he started at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government that promotes efforts throughout the country to increase civic connections in communities.

    “Social scientists are both scientists and citizens,” says Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College, who sees nothing wrong in Putnam’s efforts to affect some of the phenomena he studies.

    Wolfe says what is unusual is that Putnam has published findings as a social scientist that are not the ones he would have wished for as a civic leader. There are plenty of social scientists, says Wolfe, who never produce research results at odds with their own worldview.

    “The problem too often,” says Wolfe, “is people are never uncomfortable about their findings.”

    Michael Jonas is acting editor of CommonWealth magazine, published by MassINC, a nonpartisan public-policy think tank in Boston.

  178. .

    nemkat
    #2739834, posted on June 17, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    Please name one person who has gone postal with Datura – it is a sedative in high doses.

    Bullshit.
    There were a number of deaths at Byron Bay in 1973 attributed to Datura, according to an Inquest

    I’m not going to suggest you’re illiterate, just impatient.

    People overdosing as recreational users, is not the same as “drug-induced, psychotic homicidal rampages”.

    Since when was accidental suicide as “psychotic homicidal rampage”?

  179. zyconoclast

    Tel
    #2739841, posted on June 17, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    Thanks

  180. Roger

    All this talk of selling off the ABC is nonsense.

    It has a couple of hundred million $ in assets, produces bugger-all of retail value, has 5,000 plus highly paid employees and contractors, and currently costs $1.2 billion a year to run.

    Who the hell would buy it?

    If its employees believe in it so much they deserve first dibs.

    Failing a suitable offer from them, sell the assets and the tax payer is already ahead.

  181. None

    Let’s get our ethnic slurs correct, we have standards to maintain.

    + 1

  182. jupes

    Probably been posted upthread but worth a repeat:

    Article written by former SASR trooper in response to recent allegations against the Regiment

    Can you believe this bullshit:

    ADF invites Taliban & other Afghanis to invent and submit rumours about our troops

    Fuck. Me. Dead. This is treason. People should be shot for this.

  183. cohenite

    “There are not “countless” examples of drug-induced homicidal rampages”

    That’s how every muslim terrorist attack is described.

  184. zyconoclast

    Quebec clarinetist awarded $350K after ex-girlfriend sabotages career opportunity

    Eric Abramovitz was on his way up when his then-girlfriend sabotaged a unique opportunity that could have propelled his career further and faster.

    A gifted clarinetist who had been playing since he was seven years old, he won the Canadian Music Competition six times and performed with the Quebec Symphony Orchestra, the National Arts Centre Orchestra and the McGill Symphony Orchestra.

    So when Abramovitz, who grew up in Quebec and was studying music at McGill University at the time, was accepted into a prestigious — and highly selective — music program in California in 2014, it could have been the opportunity of a lifetime.

    Except he never received his acceptance letter, after his then-girlfriend intercepted and then deleted the email telling him he’d gotten in.

  185. nemkat

    Boambee John
    #2739835
    If the Victorian Slime manage to get their desired clause recognising continuing aboriginal sovereignty over the whole state, …

    Sounds like a money spinner for lawyers, of which Dan is one, so it’s a goer.

    The pot of gold is Cape York Peninsula, which contains 60% of Australia’s fresh Water.

  186. zyconoclast

    The downside of diversity
    A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?

    By Michael Jonas | August 5, 2007

    IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

    But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam — famous for “Bowling Alone,” his 2000 book on declining civic engagement — has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

  187. None

    Raising doubts about the ownership of backyards, and the possibility of land rent being charged as “reparations” must be the quickest form of electoral suicide yet devised.

    you underestimate the comatose stupidity of Victorians.

  188. jupes

    A schizophrenic Islamic terrorist uses marijuana before he kills someone and it is the fault of the demon weed?

    How many Muslim terrorists running around in the world these days Dotty? Still only a couple of hundred?

  189. Snoopy

    The pot of gold is Cape York Peninsula, which contains 60% of Australia’s fresh Water.

    Rubbish.

  190. Tel

    The Home Hill backpacker killer was in marijuana induced psychosis when he committed the murders.

    WTF, “marijuana induced psychosis”? He was crank yanking.

    This is what got him off criminal liability.

    OK, some quality crank yanking under the circumstances, but my first point stands.

  191. .

    How many Muslim terrorists running around in the world these days Dotty? Still only a couple of hundred?

    If I remember correctly, I said for the West (excluding Israel) and quantified it. Islamic terrorism in the West has been carried out by relatively very few people. I also used accused, not convicted numbers IIRC. (1970-2013).

    You are free to either continue the research or to reject measuring things.

  192. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    you underestimate the comatose stupidity of Victorians.

    Any treaty will be presented as the ultimate in “social justice.”

  193. Top Ender

    Canada is full of people in big jackets walking around with mega-cups of coffee.

    And cafe chains named after dead ice-hockey players.

    And bears.

    That is all.

  194. Roger

    A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life…

    You don’t say?

    That it needed a publicly funded academic study to unearth this truth demonstrates how much idiotology has triumphed over common sense in the modern West.

    In an ideal world we would all get along just fine, but we don’t live in an ideal world and there is a diversity threshold beyond which trust evaporates.

    Just ask the migrants who congregate in ethnic enclaves why they do so.

  195. What an absolute disgrace. Taxpayer-funded service providers demanding behavioural codes of their customers. The lawyer’s cartel demanding that they pay lip service to this bullshit.

    TWU is a private liberals arts college. But this doesn’t drectly target the university, it targets graduates by excluding them from legal practice because of their religious beliefs, even as they nevertheless accept graduates from other universites not in Canada that have the same sort of code of conduct. Still, the indirect effect is to stymie the law school and any other university from fashioning rules of conduct in accord with a Christian ethos. That is the long game. We are dealing with scum and lees here.

  196. calli

    I saw bison in Kentucky. And elk.

    We were staying in a “dry” county. Just across the county line was a general store and bottle-o. They were raking it in. The cars parked outside were a selection from the Dukes of Hazzard and Beverley Hillbillies, so taped/occy strapped together were they. All that was missing was a rocking chair on the tray.

    We bought a couple of bottles of wine and, intrigued by our accents, the store owner asked us where we were from. The usual conversation ensued, during which a couple of the locals informed us that there were some baby buffaloes in the nature reserve up the road.

    So we went up, according to directions. It seemed a tortuous route, so bad that we joked about being abducted a la Deliverance. The forest opened up, and before us were herds of buffalo grazing on the short grass. A little further down the road was a cow with her calf, so new that the umbilical cord was still attached. It was a magical experience.

    The US has lots of wonderful byways, and the people in flyover country are great.

  197. Snoopy

    This is 2018.

    Sparks, who “would sit on the school bus and think how much he hated having breasts” as a child, conceived her now 20 month-old son Jaxen with her wife, Angel, who is biologically male.

  198. Bruce in WA

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a summary report on the 2017 National Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS) which reveals the number of high school-age individuals who have ever had sex has dropped again to about 40 percent.

    Good! If I never got any at high school, why should anyone else!

  199. nemkat

    The pot of gold is Cape York Peninsula, which contains 60% of Australia’s fresh Water.

    Rubbish.

    Not rubbish. Read some facts. Without Cape York water, the GAB would run dry:

    Cape York Peninsula contributes as much as a quarter of Australia’s surface runoff. Indeed, with only about 2.7 percent of Australia’s land area it produces more run-off than all of Australia south of the Tropic of Capricorn. Tapping those heavy tropical rainfalls, the peninsula’s rivers are also of particular importance for replenishing central Australia’s Great Artesian Basin
    From:<a href=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_York_Peninsula”><a

  200. jupes

    If I remember correctly

    LOL

    Islamic terrorism in the West has been carried out by relatively very few people.

    How many Muslim terrorists from Australia fought for Islamic State?

  201. Snoopy

    What part of ‘contains’ don’t you understand?

  202. .

    TWU is a private liberals arts college. But this doesn’t drectly target the university, it targets graduates by excluding them from legal practice because of their religious beliefs, even as they nevertheless accept graduates from other universites not in Canada that have the same sort of code of conduct. Still, the indirect effect is to stymie the law school and any other university from fashioning rules of conduct in accord with a Christian ethos. That is the long game. We are dealing with scum and lees here.

    So it is actually worse. The lawyer’s cartel is openly violating their human rights, under the Canadian Charter, with the approval of the Highest Court of the land.

  203. cohenite

    If I remember correctly, I said for the West (excluding Israel) and quantified it. Islamic terrorism in the West has been carried out by relatively very few people. I also used accused, not convicted numbers IIRC. (1970-2013).

    You are free to either continue the research or to reject measuring things.

    Fuck me dead, you’re still regurgitating this shit. Terrorism requires a context; a numerical context; muslim lone wolves don’t exist because islam operates like a cult. Clive Kessler, emeritus professor of sociology and anthropology at the uni of NSW:

    Among Muslims worldwide today, about 10 to 15 per cent, it may be suggested, are modernist, reform-minded and democratic; perhaps another 10 to 15 per cent are militant, radical, extreme and potentially active in violent forms.

    Between these two clusters, the 70 per cent in the middle represent what may be called conventional or quasi-traditional Islam.

    The question is: what is the relation of the views of the radical extreme to those of the centrist mainstream? Are they opposed, a deviationist breakaway, or are they basically identical, or at least complementary?

    It would be reassuring if things were otherwise, but the basic facts are clear. Like the radical fringe or fundamentalist extreme, the Muslim mainstream adheres to, through explicit affirmation or by unreflecting habitual assent, the same underlying propositions that constitute the radical and militant world view. Like that of the militants, their Islam, or view of it, is basically supersessionist.

    Muslim terrorists are like ice-berg tips; the dark, depraved bulk of the supporting infrastructure is ignored and dissembled about by Western authorities and media. Kessler’s expert opinion, unlike your drivel, is supported by a Uni of QLD survey which found that muslim terrorists have genuine grievances and were justified in what they are doing.

    The West is at war with islam; the betrayal begins with disputing that and fostering the lie that it is only a small of minority of muslims who commit terror and more importantly support it.

  204. nemkat

    ISIS was sold to them as their best ever chance of getting a root. Terrorism was secondary.

  205. Shy Ted

    Move review, I mean, warning. Hereditary, with our very own Toni Collette. I’d love to tell you what it was about but I haven’t a clue. And it has all the pace of Trumble in election mode. Naturally the critics give it 9/10.

  206. cohenite

    Tha QLD uni survey found that 21% of muslims support terrorism.

    The numbers are staggering; that 21% translates into, in Australia about 120000 people. And the bulk of muslims agree with the purpose of terrorists if not their method.

    The problem is the authorities are in dot’s camp and also want to import more of the bastards.

  207. Bruce in WA

    Bit of an unfortunate placement on the Oz latest news section on their website:

    3:44PM
    Swimming coach Ken Wood dies
    2:09PM
    Man hits woman with piece of wood

  208. None

    That is the long game. We are dealing with scum and lees here.

    Agree. And this has all been brought to you care of liberals aka lefties. Andrew Bolt is back and has a request for his readers today. He wants them to support Dee Madigan even though she is actively campaigning against freedom of speech. In my opinion Madigan did use footage to ridicule and therefore is in breach but let’s say she didn’t and was just expressing her political opinion. Not so long ago I would have said yes it is important to support Dee Madigan’s free speech. But the left don’t care about principle. They will take your support and then shaft you tomorrow. It’s about time we brought out Alinsky and started fighting Fire with Fire. In this case I would be looking to banning non TWU lawyers elsewhere or imposing a similar penalty on the various shytes who pushed this. In other words make the left live by their own rules.

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Wayne Swan expected to win Labor presidency
    AAP
    6:07PM June 17, 2018

    Former federal treasurer Wayne Swan is expected to be elected the new national president of the Australian Labor Party.

    Vote counting in the party ballot is still continuing, with Mr Swan understood to be leading the postal vote count.

    Incumbent president Mark Butler is believed to be lagging Mr Swan, who is polling about 48 per cent of the vote, by at least 12 per cent. However electronic votes were still to be counted.

    Mr Swan is retiring from parliament at the next federal election, while Mr Butler is looking for a new seat after his was slated for abolition in a recent boundary redraw in South Australia.

    Mr Swan campaigned on a platform of addressing inequality and boosting party membership.

    The party’s national conference will be held in December.

    From the Oz.

  210. Snoopy

    ISIS was sold to them as their best ever chance of getting a root. Terrorism was secondary.

    Rubbish.

  211. .

    I may as well repost what I said before jupes.

    I counted persons involved in violence committed against and in the West from 1970 (not sure, might have been earlier) to 2013, excluding Israel, including all accused or shot by security forces, not convicted.

  212. Snoopy

    Wayne Swan expected to win Labor presidency

    Please, Lord, make it so.

  213. nemkat

    Tha QLD uni survey found that 21% of muslims support terrorism.

    Translation: Eggheads find that Muslims aged 18- 30 are prepared to die in Syria in order to score a root.

  214. jupes

    Fuck me dead, you’re still regurgitating this shit.

    Of course. This is why Dotty is so valuable to this blog. Instead of admitting he is wrong he always doubles down on the idiocy.

    Funny as fuck.

  215. Makka

    dotty hasn’t changed. Open borders loony, wants more moslem immigration and defender of Islam.

  216. Bruce in WA

    The US has lots of wonderful byways, and the people in flyover country are great.

    +1000

  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    SAS sergeant bludgeoned three Taliban fighters to death with a HAMMER when his pistol failed in daring raid on Afghanistan caves

    From the “Daily Mail.”

  218. cohenite

    Sparks, who “would sit on the school bus and think how much he hated having breasts” as a child, conceived her now 20 month-old son Jaxen with her wife, Angel, who is biologically male.

    The human species is entering a Brave New World of pantropy. I think I will have my left hand converted into a 9mm.

  219. .

    Snoopy
    #2739872, posted on June 17, 2018 at 8:04 pm
    What part of ‘contains’ don’t you understand?

    Snoopy

    How many people smoke enough weed every day to have as many health problems as a pack a day cigarette smoker?

  220. OneWorldGovernment

    I son’t care what you folk believe in but this was fantastic

  221. None

    This country is terminally stupid.

    Yes it is cohenite but remember Turnbull wants treaties and b******* as well so he is unlikely to use the constitution to stop the Victorians that will kinda use the stupidity of the Victorian this to promote his own agenda. It saddens me to know that when my generation dies it will leave this country far worse for the next. We will be the first generation ever to have done that.

  222. nemkat

    Wayne Swan expected to win Labor presidency

    Please, Lord, make it so.
    The incumbent President is a Post Turtle.
    Swan was Qld State Secretary when they won Qld in 1989 after 32 years lost in the woods.
    He’s a dangerous man for Australia, not someone to be welcomed.

  223. Tel

    Can you believe this bullshit:

    ADF invites Taliban & other Afghanis to invent and submit rumours about our troops

    Fuck. Me. Dead. This is treason. People should be shot for this.

    I read through that Michael Smith article, and I can’t help wondering what the average Afghani thinks of Western culture. They have met the British Empire and the Russian Soviets, and now they are up against the modern Western do-gooder Nanny State come to bomb them, shoot them, fix them, improve them and apologize afterwards. What is their mental picture of us? We do things that don’t even make sense to ourselves, let alone to anyone else.

  224. None

    SAS sergeant bludgeoned three Taliban fighters to death with a HAMMER when his pistol failed in daring raid on Afghanistan caves

    Well done. It would not have been a pleasant experience but they are trained for hand to hand combat. Moreover, it was either kill or be killed and killing Taliban was the right choice.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Gobekli Tepe.
    The survivors of a great cataclysm ended up with a common language.
    Native Americans are different because they weren’t there.

    Thanks Dot. Not too sure the ‘cataclysm’ theory holds, but I’d look at it. OK Dr. BG, I hadn’t read that far back upthread re Ur and I agree that would have to be a very early language (of which there were quite a few); also agree that key words in early languages likely bear some relationships to easily produced phonemes. Glad to see you guys keeping up. 🙂

    I have limited time on here with Hairy usually breathing down my neck about doing something else, like having lunch and watching Outsiders, or, just when I was writing to you BG, going for our Sunday lap swims – hurry up Lizzie, get off da blog – or some child or other person needs me etc. This weekend for instance I’ve filled in two major bureaucratic application forms for things for others in my ambit, worked up two resumes for some young rellies, organized some referees for these two things, written the references ready for signing by the important people (including one for Hairy to sign; just write it for me, Lizzie, there’s a dear). I’ve cooked meals for people and … well, I won’t go on. Join us for a Friday Cat meet up sometime and I’ll expand on various theories. Gobekli Tepe is most interesting archaeologically and bears some similarities to Catalhoyuk, although lunatic ‘alien’ theories can get right out of town with regard to Gobekli and lunatic feminist Earth Mother theories can go the same route with regard to Catalhoyuk. I am not into stupidities.

    As for speculative theory not being worthwhile, I completely disagree. We have to try and understand using the remnants of what we have or can find archaeologically, genetically, ethologically, linguistically, and relate these to what we actually do know. One can be quite academic and evidential about it. Stone circles are an extremely early form of ritual landscaping which I suspect relate to two things: neural network visions when in trances (some good work has been done there) and to circular constellation patterns in the night skies (interesting work there too). 8,000 bc is not too early at all for stone circles – ancient Mycenae has a major one, overbuilt and often overlooked by the wealth of other things there, but dating back that far. Crete has very ancient monuments too. We know that hunter-gatherers had, and still have, extensive cults, which were widespread (the Japanese Ainu still practice a bear cult that once spread across the top of nearby Siberia to Russia and, I think, Scandinavia). Anyone who has ever seriously studied the social anthropology of religion and some pre-history has a duty to bring insights and evidence to bear on ancient archaeological sites that have all the usual appearances of ritual sites elsewhere and later in time, which can be related to mythic beliefs and especially to extant remnant practices.

    Physicists speculate wildly too. I give you black holes and dark matter. 🙂

  226. Death Giraffe

    Gonna build a PC.
    First time.
    Any advice?

  227. None

    dotty hasn’t changed. Open borders loony, wants more moslem immigration and defender of Islam.

    What else can you expect from a pot smoking sodomy fetishist who will die a virgin?

  228. .

    Dark matter is probably bullshit, black holes most likely are real.

    Regarding a cataclysm;

    Watch any Joe Rogan Experience with Randal Carlson or Graeme Hancock Lizzie.

    I think the geological evidence is very solid. Rogan says the same thing. He can’t understand the scepticism because the physical evidence is very strong.

    It is a, however, a large step to go from that to saying Gobekli Tepe did what Hancock asserts, as an incubator of newer cultures that derived from the pre-Dryas ones.

  229. Death Giraffe

    Of course. This is why Dotty is so valuable to this blog. Instead of admitting he is wrong he always doubles down on the idiocy.

    ..
    Dot is 95% right.
    But that 5% contains em- drive, open borders shenanigans and full- frontal rainbow monkey love.

  230. Delta A

    Any advice?

    Read the instructions. 🙂

  231. OneWorldGovernment

    Death Giraffe
    #2739899, posted on June 17, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    Gonna build a PC.
    First time.
    Any advice?

    Sure.

    Most memory.

    Fastest CPU.

    Backup.

    Big screen

    Linux.

  232. Harper’s nine years made no difference in Canada. His judicial appointments are failures and he refused to sell of the Canada’s public broadcaster. Sound familiar?

  233. H B Bear

    Sparks, who “would sit on the school bus and think how much he hated having breasts” as a child, conceived her now 20 month-old son Jaxen with her wife, Angel, who is biologically male.

    Sounds like an ALP branch party meeting.

  234. None

    A former national president of the Labor Party is presently in jail. He was president at the same time that Julia Gillard and Anna Bligh served on the national executive. Here’s hoping Wayne Swan wins the presidency and follows in his footsteps. He deserves it.

  235. OneWorldGovernment

    why need bisson when we already have water buffalo?

  236. Death Giraffe

    Read the instructions.

    ..
    Think I’ll just wing it.
    How hard can it be if nerds do it?

  237. Confused Old Misfit

    Harper’s nine years made no difference in Canada. His judicial appointments are failures and he refused to sell of the Canada’s public broadcaster. Sound familiar?

    Like Abbott he was in debt to the Conservative leftists. (Is there really such an animal?)

  238. Makka

    What else can you expect from a pot smoking sodomy fetishist who will die a virgin?

    Do’t include me in your feud. There are plenty of things I agree with dotty about but his deliberate autism on borders, moslems and immigration is quite absurd.

  239. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    why need bisson when we already have water buffalo?

    I thought a “bisson” was something an Australian washed his fice and hinds in?

  240. DrBeauGan

    H B Bear
    #2739909, posted on June 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm
    Sparks, who “would sit on the school bus and think how much he hated having breasts” as a child, conceived her now 20 month-old son Jaxen with her wife, Angel, who is biologically male.

    Sounds like an ALP branch party meeting.

    You have to pity poor Jaxen.

  241. None

    Any advice?

    Go to https://au.pcpartpicker.com.
    That’s about the extent of my PC build knowledge because I only use laptops. Have fun.

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