Monday Forum: June 18,2018

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  1. C.L.

    Not until a year later, when the final reports are made public and the guilty parties have been court-martialed, does the truth come out. The OOD was named Sarah, and the Tactical Action Officer was named Natalie, and they weren’t speaking to each other!!! The Tactical Action Officer would normally be in near constant communication with the OOD, but there is no record of any communication between them that entire shift! Another fun fact: In the Navy that won WWII, the damage control officers were usually some of the biggest and strongest men aboard, able to close hatches, shore up damaged areas with timbers, etc. The Fitz’s damage control officer was also a woman, and she never left the bridge. She handled the aftermath of the accident remotely, without lifting a finger herself!

    Ten sailors dead.
    Thanks for coming, ladies.

  2. Rococo Liberal

    the Navy that won WWII

    That would be the Royal Navy

  3. C.L.

    Saw an ADF recruitment ad on the tele the other night.
    They’re always good for a laugh.
    One scene showed reservists righting a flipped Land Rover.
    The other scene showed a lady soldier inoculating a baby somewhere.
    So there you have it, young men of Australia.
    Join the ADF and you too can crash a Land Rover and vaccinate foreign babies.

  4. stackja

    Rococo Liberal
    #2742237, posted on June 20, 2018 at 9:59 am
    the Navy that won WWII

    That would be the Royal Navy

    Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands
    From Wikipedia
    Date 25–27 October 1942
    Location Santa Cruz Islands, Solomon Islands
    Result
    Japanese tactical victory
    American strategic victory

    Military historian Dr. John Prados offers a dissenting view, asserting that this was not a Pyrrhic victory for Japan, but a strategic victory:

    By any reasonable measure the Battle of Santa Cruz marked a Japanese victory – and a strategic one. At its end the Imperial Navy possessed the only operational carrier force in the Pacific. The Japanese had sunk more ships and more combat tonnage, had more aircraft remaining, and were in physical possession of the battle zone… Arguments based on aircrew losses or who owned Guadalcanal are about something else – the campaign, not the battle.[89]

    In Prados’ view, the real story of the aftermath is that the Imperial Navy failed to exploit their hard-won victory although it is unclear how Japanese forces could have done so with such crippling losses of trained air crews.[90]

  5. Mother Lode

    Damn, LL.

    Beat me to it.

  6. John Constantine

    Pulling my head in now, in the realisation that Hate Speech laws could be argued to apply to being fixated upon and putting up at a blog the court history as reported by their media of an activist that finds it offensive.

    Silence, Comrades.

  7. Dr Faustus

    IG Horowitz testifies there was anti-Trump political bias in the FBI, some of which found its way into some FBI decision-making – but none impacted the Clinton criminal negligence investigation.
    Apart from some of it.

    FBI Director Wray testified that: “The [DOJ IG] report did not find any evidence of political bias or improper considerations.”

    It all sounds a bit swampy.

  8. notafan

    Nikki Haley is on the money re the UNHCR, no doubt.

    It’s just a money tree for fakugees.

    And a scam to get Muslims residency in western countries.

  9. lotocoti

    Sigh.
    Obama administration management led to ships putting to sea without proper maintenance and full complements.
    And the few replacements were coming straight from sailor school without going through the traditional L and P plates period.
    “Would you have a kip whilst transiting those waters with a half trained crew?” was universally answered “Not even with a fully trained crew.” by some blokes who have a slightly better handle on things than the average punter.

  10. Chris

    Chris, that not speaking to each other bit wasn’t a Mean Girls situation, but rather a command/training/CDF failure.

    I remember studies of effective communication in emergency teams and aircrew from 10-15 years ago showing that redundant and clarifying communication created a team that really worked. THis is an obvious case where non-communication is clear marker of unprofessionalism and non-team play. And yes, it was a management failure not a gender only issue.

  11. Rae

    Sigh.
    Obama administration management led to ships putting to sea without proper maintenance and full complements.
    And the few replacements were coming straight from sailor school without going through the traditional L and P plates period.

    No, no, no. That’s not it at all.

    Cooties are bad.
    No cooties.

  12. C.L.

    Me, 9.13:

    Excellent. Julie Bishop will appear within hours to say that, no, Australia ill not be following America’s example.

    ABC Online: US pulls out of UN Human Rights Council, cites ‘bias against Israel’.

    In a statement, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Australia shared many of the US’s concerns about the council, “particularly its anti-Israel bias”, but was disappointed by its decision.

    She said it was in Australia’s interest to shape the work of the council.

    “Australia will continue to work constructively on human rights issues with other countries, including the US,” she said.

    “It was our strong preference for the US to remain a member of the UNHRC and I had made this known to senior members of the Trump administration.”

  13. C.L.

    Healthism.

    ABC again: How men are embracing ‘clean eating’ posts on Instagram.

    The prevalence of masculine display in “clean eating” top posts also feeds into ideals of healthism — a way of locating the problem of health and disease at the level of the individual rather than as a state or societal responsibility.

    Authorial note:

    Stephanie Alice Baker is a lecturer in sociology at the University of London; Michael Walsh is assistant professor of social science at the University of Canberra.

    Suggesting health and fitness is an individual responsibility rather than a community one is “healthism.”

  14. struth

    It was our strong preference for the US to remain a member of the UNHRC and I had made this known to senior members of the Trump administration.”

    Who’s preference is this so called representative talking about?

    Can anyone every remember being asked if we wanted to sign any fucking agreement with the U.N or sit on any council?

  15. notafan

    How can the ABC be insolvent?

    That doesn’t make any sense.

    If the ABC were to be sold, as JC made clear, it would have to move to a advertising, and/orsubscription model, over time.

    SBS carry a lot of paid advertising, so that, at least is clearly possible.

    Actually the ABC does a lot of advertising but only for its own products and the causes it supports so I’m sure it could manage some paid for spots too.

    Seems perfectly a reasonable proposition to me.

  16. .

    Well, no one wants to do a thread of doom again about monetary economics…that stuff is like Opera to me.

    Are extramarital affairs poundmetoo? This is just $#%^ing absurd.

  17. C.L.

    I wish people would stop referencing the SBS as a viable template for the ABC, revenues-wise.
    The SBS costs taxpayers a quarter of a billion dollars per annum.
    It too has to be axed.
    That said, yes, the ABC should be forced to an advertising model just to psychologically undermine it.

  18. Dr Faustus

    Telstra 2022.
    Telstra to sack 8,000 executives, middle managers and contractors to eliminate “many pain points for customers” and implement a Four Pillar Program that will:

    …take a bolder stance and use the disruption in the telecommunications industry to lead the market for the benefit of our customers, employees and shareholders…”

    A Four Pillar Program? Great stuff.

    My Point of Pain is offshored ‘technical support’ – staffed by highly trained technicians, whose only English vocabulary is “Have you turned your modem off and on again?“.

    [File Note: I believe that Tagalog is a beautiful language. My complete lack of understanding of it, and inability to communicate properly with native Tagalog speakers, is a failure on my part.]

  19. struth

    I wish people would stop referencing the SBS as a viable template for the ABC, revenues-wise.
    The SBS costs taxpayers a quarter of a billion dollars per annum.

    Exactly.

    SBS funded by taxpayers but allowed to advertise just has to be the ultimate rort.
    Can’t compete against that…………………..

    The ABC would have a field day……………
    They’d be up to a billion dollars funding again in five years plus advertising!

    Shut it down.
    Completely defund it.

  20. Chris

    Melbourne man fatally struck by tram
    MARNIE BANGER
    A man is dead after being hit by a tram in South Melbourne, with police trying to piece together the circumstances.

    I’ll just bet they are.

  21. Rossini

    A man is dead after being hit by a tram in South Melbourne, with police trying to piece together the victim!
    [email protected]

  22. egg_

    SBS funded by taxpayers but allowed to advertise just has to be the ultimate rort.

    Merge the two, rationalise channels and programs and slash funding.

  23. H B Bear

    SBS carry a lot of paid advertising, so that, at least is clearly possible.

    Socialist Broadcasting Services 2016-17 Annual Report

    Total own source revenue – $115.6m
    Total expenses – $399.4m
    Total receipts from govt – $281.6m (cash basis)

    Still completely uneconomic. There is no reason to think that the ALPBC would be any different.

  24. .

    Very interesting. Did white settlers really kill off the Bison? It could have just been competition with horses that reduced their numbers.

    Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy: The Southern Plains from 1800 to 1850
    Dan Flores
    The Journal of American History, Vol. 78, No. 2. (Sep., 1991), pp. 465-485.

    http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/legal/esacitations/floresbisonecology.pdf

  25. egg_

    SBS carry a lot of paid advertising, so that, at least is clearly possible.

    They also operate a Translations service and the World Movies channel on PayTV – streets ahead of Aunty’s propaganda workshop.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    US pulls out of UN Human Rights Council, cites ‘bias against Israel’.

    Who needs the UN when you have the EU?

    EU Backs Effort To Prosecute Israeli Military Officials For Human Rights Violations (19 June)

    The European Union is funding a project to prosecute Israel Defence Forces (IDF) officers for committing violations against Palestinian civilians, according to Israel Hayom, which quotes a local human rights organisation.

    No mention of the Palis burning down crops, forests and turkeys with incendiaries.

  27. Old School Conservative

    The ABC could never be insolvent.
    From ASIC: An insolvent company is one that is unable to pay its debts when they fall due for payment.
    Since the ABC has full financial backing of the Federal Government, debts will always be paid by extra funding from Government.

  28. Baldrick

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Australia shared many of the US’s concerns about the council, “particularly its anti-Israel bias”, but was disappointed by its decision.

    Losing! You’ll never get sick of losing, with the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals.

  29. Snoopy

    To be fair to the girls of the USS Fitzgerald, it was the captain’s first command after years spent driving a desk and at the Pentagon. Apparently driving a desk and driving a warship have different skill sets.

  30. Old School Conservative

    The problem with selling most of the ABC and SBS is that the leftovers (regional radio, Translations service, ABC Kids) will slowly but surely morph back into into a $1Billion enterprise.
    Just sell off all physical assets and intellectual property, and use those funds to get rid of all staff.

    The Communications Minister simply has to say that since the ABC supports [email protected] it must be closed down.
    Gerard H has chapter and verse on that issue.

  31. Confused Old Misfit

    Did white settlers really kill off the Bison? It could have just been competition with horses that reduced their numbers.

    Here’s an interesting picture.

  32. Snoopy

    That said, yes, the ABC should be forced to an advertising model just to psychologically undermine it.

    SBS News is far more unhinged than ABC News.

  33. Snoopy

    Here’s an interesting picture.

    Who’s to say horses didn’t stack those skulls?

  34. Mallee Miss

    As I was wandering about the web I came across this wonderful little gathering organised by a friend of Tarneen (she of “burn Australia down fame”), who also is a writer for SBS and a comedian (supposedly).

    I’m not sure it will attract the numbers that Milo did, and I am sure she won’t be getting a bill from Victoria’s finest, despite the highly inflammatory language. It also leaves me with some very disturbing mental pictures of volunteers at St Vinnies in white sheets. Who knew little old ladies had such evil intent?

  35. Baldrick

    Please exit in an orderly fashion over to the new fred. ➡

  36. egg_

    In November, World Movies celebrated its 21st year on Foxtel, an outstanding achievement in a challenging industry. World Movies showcased 30 award-winning and critically-acclaimed films from around the world – each set or created in a different country. The anniversary season was backed by an extensive marketing campaign which attracted 1.1 million subscription television viewers throughout the month.

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    Snoopy

    The Plains Indians were using 6.5 Bison per person per year off observations by European pioneers in 1820.

    By 1850, there was starvation in Plains Indian tribes.

  38. Tel

    https://mises.org/library/endangered-species-private-property-and-american-bison

    One major reason for the dramatic decrease in bison (buffalo) population figures from the tens of millions that lived in 1800 to only a few hundred living in the 1880s, is what economists call a tragedy of the commons.

    When property is privately owned, there are incentives to save and conserve resources because of the possibility that a more opportune time for their employment may appear down the road. To the extent that such resources generate income for their owners, plans will be made so as to preserve them into the foreseeable future. In other words, an individual who sells buffalo products for a living will be in dire financial straits if the entire bison population is eradicated.

    A tragedy of the commons situation emerges wherever there is common (public) access to property. Under such conditions, massive costs are imposed by attempting to save resources because after all, if you don’t use it, someone else will. The tragic aspect of common ownership then is that the resource in question becomes over utilized at unsustainable levels, as was seen with the un-owned (wild) buffalo.

    For hundreds of years, the Native Americans hunted the buffalo for food and resources, but the human population was so small at this time that there were no concerns of endangering the animal.

    Everything changed with the Industrial Revolution where not only was the American population massively expanding, but so was the demand for buffalo products. Of course most of the plains buffalo were located far enough west that this land was largely un-owned by whites, resulting in an indiscriminate slaughter; the years 1872 and 1873 alone recording more than 3 million bison killed.

  39. Top Ender

    Farewell Old Fred, you served us well.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    9’s juniors can’t spell
    Malcolm Turnbull unleases on ‘grovelling sycophant’ Bill Shorten

    It’s not just that they can’t spell. They clearly spell only as they hear and have no idea about the origin of the terms they are using. To unleash something is the take off the constraints of a leash, a physical constraint, often that of the mythical ‘hounds of hell’ (a likely Christian reference to Odin’s hounds), which can then become a metaphor for deliberative hell-raising action. ‘Unleasing’ it is neither grammatical nor full of such menace. 🙂

    Groveling is spelt with one ‘l’ and has its origin in an early Christian penance. A fine example of this is shown in the Netflix show I mentioned late last night when our sexy warrior hero, caught between two cultures, a Saxon brought up as an heroic Dane, is forced in a recalcitrant Saxon moment to ‘grovel’ in humiliation some distance on his knees in a woman’s nightshift towards King Alfred and kiss the Cross of Christ.

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Farewell Old Fred, you served us well.

    Yep. Vale, old warrior thread.
    Ya done good. 🙂

  42. JC

    It probably been mentioned upthread, but I heard on the car radio Trump is yanking the US out of the UN Human Rights Council.

    He’s so lovable.

    Trump is God.

  43. None

    Surfed on to Tom Ballard’s show last night out of curiosity.
    He and his cast were doing a Euridice Dixon bit about the police trivialising r-ape.
    Bold as brass on the ABC tit.

    a gay man accused of sexually assaulting a heterosexual man wants to tell us women about r-ape. Fukwit doesn’t begin to describe Tom Ballard.

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