Wednesday Forum: June 20, 2018

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  1. Bruce in WA

    We also had a letter from the shire informing us they were employing bin inspectors who had the authority to come on our property to check our bin(s) for 50cm down from the top to make sure we weren’t trying to hide anything naughty under a legitimate top layer.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    Engine blocks fit in the recycle fine, getting them to the curb is another matter.

    I’ll pay that! +10!

  3. zyconoclast

    Try picking up dog poop in a green bag.

    Will a stainless steel straw do the trick?

  4. jupes

    Just bought 3000 singlet checkout bags from ebay. should last me a decade or two.

    Might want to check the legislation.

    I read that (in WA at least) that the use of plastic bags carried a fine of a few thousand bucks after a certain date.

    Don’t know if that refers to just the supermarket or the punter as well.

  5. Bruce in WA

    Engine blocks fit in the recycle fine, getting them to the curb is another matter.

    Yeah, but the strain gauge on the lifting arm cuts in at 70kg …

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    To meet the biosecurity requirements, every LPA accredited producer needs to have a Farm Biosecurity Plan in place and implement this on their farm.

    “The Biosecurity Plan doesn’t need to be a massive document. Producers just need to think about the things they do with regards to biosecurity on their own farm, and document it using a template”

    “Farmers just need to think about the things they do with regards to biosecurity on their own farm, and put this in the template. Its things farmers do every day – managing and recording the introduction and movement of livestock; controlling people, equipment and vehicles entering the property – where that’s practical; and monitoring and managing the health of their livestock.”

    I was advised, FFS, all you need to do is fill out the bio security plan, put it in the bottom drawer of your filing cabinet, next to all the quality assurance bullshit to grow wheat, and produce the bio security plan if you are ever audited, or a buyer of your sheep asks to see it….

  7. .

    We also had a letter from the shire informing us they were employing bin inspectors who had the authority to come on our property

    Holy crap, what is this legislative basis of this?

  8. Frank

    Yeah, but the strain gauge on the lifting arm cuts in at 70kg …

    They will start weighing it once are suitably lulled and then charge us per kg of rubbish taken away.

  9. Death Giraffe

    Try picking up dog poop in a green bag.

    ..
    I just feed my dogs copious amounts of cooking chocolate and castor oil.
    Nothing to pick up.
    Nothing solid, anyway.

  10. Frank

    I just feed my dogs copious amounts of cooking chocolate and castor oil.
    Nothing to pick up.
    Nothing solid, anyway.

    Just feed them plastic bags.

  11. stackja

    In the 1950s backyard incinerators were the usual disposal unit for excess paper. Not much else. Plastic came later.

  12. zyconoclast

    I just feed my dogs copious amounts of cooking chocolate and castor oil.
    Nothing to pick up.
    Nothing solid, anyway.

    Did someone say stainless steel straw?

  13. Pedro the Ignorant

    Anybody seen in WA carrying an illegal grey plastic bag after 30 June will be considered an eco-terrorist and may be shot on sight.

    The bin nazis will have 007’s licence to kill.

    Even if you are carrying a nice stainless steel straw in your top pocket.

    You idiots voted in Sneakers McGowan. Suffer.

  14. Gab

    Does Aldi also ban shopping bags? If not, that’s where I’ll shop in future.

  15. jupes

    Just check out the headlines of the articles on Trump running down the right hand side of the page.

    The Great Man is doing their heads in.

    LOL

  16. Infidel Tiger

    We also had a letter from the shire informing us they were employing bin inspectors who had the authority to come on our property

    In righteous parts of America, garbage inspectors would be getting slaughtered by the hundreds every day. Soon you would never be able to find people willing to do such a dangerous job.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The recycling compliance officer at the local council would have to have a major Napoleon complex.

    Local council breeds such rampart Napoleons.

  18. zyconoclast

    FINALLY! SUPREME COURT BACKS ACCURATE VOTER ROLLS AND HONEST ELECTIONS

    Democrats long have relied on inaccurate election rolls to aid their candidates. They want to count every vote, legal or not. So, after Ohio’s government cleaned up its registration lists it was hit with the usual claims of left-wing bias. Now the Supreme Court has ruled for the state.

    Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said the “decision is a victory for election integrity” and Ohio’s system could “serve as a model for other states to use.” Playing an important supporting role was the Trump Justice Department, which shifted to defend Ohio — the Obama administration naturally attacked the state’s effort. The president deserves credit for appointing Justice Neil Gorsuch, who provided the deciding vote.

  19. zyconoclast

    OP-ED: The True Separation of Children From Their Parents is Not What You Think

    Maria Espinoza, Director of The Remembrance Project, explains how the media isn’t telling the truth about border detainment.

    There has been a lot of noise over the last few days from the media, from former Presidents’ wives, leftist Hollywood elites, and political opportunists of the lowest kind, about “poor migrant children, separated from their parents, and held in cages, like animals.”

    Of course, only one of their cries are even remotely true, 5%-10% of all young illegals held are kept for their own protection while their law-breaker parents are being processed by DHS. Held generally for less than one day, they receive the first true meals in weeks, sleep in air condition comfort, play games all day, and more.

    In other words, given benefits that 15 million of American children under the poverty level never see. Sadly, media has conspired to hide the only true family separations in this debate…that of Americans who have been violently killed by illegal aliens, our Stolen Lives Quilt souls! And I will openly debate anyone who challenges this truth.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You idiots voted in Sneakers McGowan. Suffer.

    I may have been prone, in my younger days, to settle arguments with my fists, I may have caused the military and service police to earn their pay in my younger days, I may have separated young ladies – and some old enough to know better – from the odious burden of their chastity, but I have NEVER, but NEVER, sunk to the depths of voting Labor.

  21. zyconoclast

    San Diego’s chief Border Patrol agent Rodney Scott said Monday that the Border Patrol separates children from the adults they are with if there are concerns that the kids are being human-trafficked.

    Scott revealed that oftentimes traffickers “recycle” children in order to get illegal alien grown-ups over the Southern border into the United States.

    “OOPS! A media outlet slipped & printed the truth today!,” Ann Coulter declared, showing people that the media is not being forthright and truthful when reporting on the supposed border separation program.

  22. John Constantine

    Written management plan required for the disposal of all dead livestock.

    [ putting them in bags in the recycling isn’t good enough]

    Using the rubbish the shire doesn’t collect any more to cremate the dead stock is creative but doesn’t pass compliance inspection.

    They actually prefer composting of the bodies, apparently it is the way of the future.

    ‘Sky Burials’ Hindu style is also frowned upon.

    A business that lacks a waste and recycling management plan, complete with receipts from the sump oil collection company, the used tyre disposal receipt, the battery recycle receipt, the used chemical drum paperwork, is going to regret not being compliant enough when the day of inspection looms.

  23. Snoopy

    Yep, exactly what they did. Big yellow sticker on our bin with “Contaminated with green waste” written all over it. I’d actually chucked a handful of weeds in it as I wheeled it down the driveway.

    I wonder what penalty would apply if your bin was found to contain the remains of a green salad?

  24. Death Giraffe

    Death Giraffe life hack series 1:
    Eliminating the need to walk around with plastic bag full of dog shit like some loser fool.
    You will need:
    At least one dog.
    One stick of butter.
    Tin of sardines.
    Two blocks of cooking chocooate.
    Teaspoon of oil.
    ..
    Instructions:
    1) Insert other items into dog via front aperture.
    2) Place dog in public place of your choice.
    3) Stand well back.

  25. John Constantine

    I was going to link to the “how to compost dead cows” training videos, but some things are best unseen.

    Then I was going to make a funny joke about if you can compost a cow, how hard would it be to compost protestors and activists, but it is Australia and hate speech laws prevent any black humour about composting Greens.

    This is 2018 Australia. and our training videos on composting dead cows are our Strength.

  26. zyconoclast

    Switzerland ranks 16th for civilian firearms: survey

    New research shows there are an estimated 2,332,000 firearms in civilian possession in Switzerland, or 27.6 weapons per hundred inhabitants.

  27. They will start weighing it once are suitably lulled and then charge us per kg of rubbish taken away.

    Here they video it.
    As your bin upends & the contents fall out, the video – visible to the driver – records what falls out of your bin.
    The driver has told me a couple of times that I’m going to have to cut down on “non-approved” stuff in the bins, as it is getting harder for him to “forget” to press the ‘recording’ switch.

  28. Frank

    Death Giraffe, chocolate is poisonous to dogs.

  29. None

    In the 1950s backyard incinerators were the usual disposal unit for excess paper. Not much else. Plastic came later.

    One of our stupid neighbours has an incinerator that she lights up every now and then, often on a windy day or evening such that it sends sparks flying. Dangerous. Last year I got out of the car once only to be showered by sparks and bits of burning flotsam which burnt holes through the woolen cardigan I was wearing. Lucky it was real and not some synthetic which would have caught fire or melted onto my skin. Police know that house well for all sorts of reasons and despite frequent citations for that incinerator she still lights it no doubt to burn any vesrigrs of drugs or god knows what else goes on in that house. Tonight we had to turn off the reverse cycle despite it being single digit cold outside because other neighbours are burning wood fires and aircon just sucks in a pile of smoke and blows it through the house. Join the 21st century people.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Written management plan required for the disposal of all dead livestock.

    Simple. “Disposed of by burning, in situ.”

    I did get asked what “in situ” meant…

  31. Death Giraffe

    I wasn’t being serious Frank.

  32. Frank

    Sorry, bit of a tin ear sometimes but this time it comes from a genuine fondness for dogs.

  33. zyconoclast

    Ideological s3x clubs’: Alberta gay-straight alliance law faces court challenge

    Alberta’s law banning schools from telling parents when their children join a gay-straight alliance faces its first legal challenge.

    A Court of Queen’s Bench judge in Medicine Hat, Alta., is to hear arguments Wednesday filed on behalf of 25 faith-based schools and others to put the law on hold pending a constitutional challenge.

    Gay-straight alliances are peer support networks organized by students to help gay kids feel welcome and to prevent bullying or abuse.

  34. Pedro the Ignorant

    As long as you didn’t put your dead livestock in a plastic bag or the recycle bin, Zulu.

    Yongah Hill has a few empty cells.

  35. Bruce in WA

    Why is the ANU the Australian Partner to the Small Arms Survey group?

    FMD, what a list of chronic masturbators, control freaks and leftist retards.

  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yongah Hill has a few empty cells.

    Known to the locals as “Hotel Taliban” or “Taliban Heights.”

  37. Pete of Perth

    In 1981, I worked at a servo near Frenchs Forest that had an incinerator out back. I would amuse myself by throwing in the odd bic lighter. Fun times.

  38. Top Ender

    Fifteen more children removed from families in Tennant Creek area following rape of toddler

    In Tennant Creek in the nine months to March 31 this year, he said there had been 1,515 notifications to the Department, 578 child protection investigations, and 181 substantiations, which was an increase of 10 per cent.

    Seven additional staff have been added to the town’s office.. Link

  39. None

    What? I put that yellow sticker there? I put lawn clippings, prunings, leaves all sorts of green waste into my regular bin. The council provides green bins but there’s all sorts of regulations about what can go in that or not and you have to pay for it anyway. Bugger it we pay enough rates so anything I don’t want to compost just goes in the regular bin. If anyone ever stuck as sticker on that they’d get more than a mouthful.

  40. Death Giraffe

    Death Giraffe life hack series 1:
    Disposing of green waste responsibly.
    You will need:
    Assorted tree limbs, leaves and clippings.
    A council green waste bin.
    String.
    1 small live porpoise.
    Petrol.

  41. None

    Only one thing to do with dead cows
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/17/johnezard
    if you’re kind to Mr Google you can even find photos.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    In 1981, I worked at a servo near Frenchs Forest that had an incinerator out back. I would amuse myself by throwing in the odd bic lighter. Fun times.

    BIC lighter is ok, but an unopened tin of baked beans works better.

    I almost killed 3 or 4 of my class mates.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fifteen more children removed from families in Tennant Creek area following rape of toddler

    Constitutional recognition, and a treaty, will solve all those problems though, surely? Fucking “Nugget” Coombes and Goof Witless have a lot to answer for.

  44. Death Giraffe

    I almost killed 3 or 4 of my class mates.

    ..
    Almost doesn’t count.

  45. Makka

    Fifteen more children removed from families in Tennant Creek area following rape of toddler

    But are the grub parents being held to account? Those extra staff no doubt are abo counsellors, slapping wrists.

  46. Bruce in WA

    As a kid, we had an incinerator made from a 44-gallon drum down the backyard. Saturday lunchtime Dad would fire it up.

    Having lunch one day when there was a “boom” from outside. Said incinerator now had a gaping hole in its side.

    “Must have accidentally put an aerosol can in there”, Dad said.

    Ummm, no, Dad. Since you’re now gone, I can tell you it was your oldest son who dropped one of the .303 blanks you had in a tin in the shed into the bin.

  47. Infidel Tiger

    Fifteen more children removed from families in Tennant Creek area following rape of toddler

    Dumped with the rellos next door for a second going over if history is any guide.

  48. Baldrick

    This guys having a meltdown on Twitter. He’s the son of Peter and sister to Jane …

    Peter Henry Fonda ✔ @iamfonda
    WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PED- OPHILES AND SEE IF MOTHER WILL WILL STAND UP AGAINST THE GIANT ASSHOLE SHE IS MARRIED TO. 90 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE STREETS ON THE SAME WEEKEND IN THE COUNTRY. FUCK

    More at the link.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-20/shaun-southern-guilty-of-murder-over-bussell-highway-crash/9891352

    This bar stewards defence was that he’d been spending four hundred dollars a day, on meth, for five years. The next time the Memsahib questions the size of the grog bill, I’m quoting that statistic..

  50. .

    Peter Henry Fonda
    @iamfonda
    SS (Sarah Sanders) is a lying gash, too. And “gash” is much worse than c**t. Maybe we should take her children away and deport her to Arkansas, and giving her children to Stephen Goebbels Miller for safe keeping.

    Why doesn’t he respect women!? He is teaching boys to literally rape!

  51. hzhousewife

    I could point out several spots where composted dairy cows exist on the farm on which I grew up. Bones occasionally surfaced.

  52. .

    Peter Henry Fonda
    @iamfonda
    SS (Sarah Sanders) is a lying gash, too. And “gash” is much worse than c**t. Maybe we should take her children away and deport her to Arkansas, and giving her children to Stephen Goe-Bellez Miller for safe keeping.

    Why doesn’t he respect women!? He is teaching boys to literally rape!

  53. None

    Bloody hell Baldrick. Peter Fonda is stark raving mad.
    Apart from breathing violent threats against Barron Trump and other people’s children he then announcing this to 300 million Twitter users
    https://mobile.twitter.com/iamfonda/status/1009337245021552640

  54. H B Bear

    You idiots voted in Sneakers McGowan. Suffer.

    Nope. Most people voted out Emperor Barney. A good move as the WA Lieborals single-handedly rooted WA finances for a generation. Sneakers just happened to be there when it happened, which pretty much sums up his entire career.

  55. Bruce in WA

    Why doesn’t he respect women!? He is teaching boys to literally rape!

    Yeah, but it’s not Rape-Rape … just ask Whoopi.

  56. Pedro the Ignorant

    It is about 5C temp in Kalgoorlie tonight at 9.15pm and three little aboriginal kids about 6-7 years old are wandering Hannan street (the main drag) wearing shorts and on bare feet.

    “Mum’s in the pub”.

    Long suffering local police have taken the kids to a shelter, hopefully for a warm bed for the night and a decent feed.

    Sit down money arrived today.

  57. JC

    .
    #2742980, posted on June 20, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    Peter Henry Fonda
    @iamfonda
    SS (Sarah Sanders) is a lying gash, too. And “gash” is much worse than c**t. Maybe we should take her children away and deport her to Arkansas, and giving her children to Stephen Goe-Bellez Miller for safe keeping.

    Why doesn’t he respect women!? He is teaching boys to literally rape!

    Someone should remind about his sister. That treacherous c.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ummm, no, Dad. Since you’re now gone, I can tell you it was your oldest son who dropped one of the .303 blanks you had in a tin in the shed into the bin.

    Father, now that you have been gone all these years, I can reveal which of your sons it was who tried to shoot a crow, with a .303 rifle, and shot a hole in the house rainwater tank in the process.

    It wasn’t your eldest son – the prodigal son, the one who you said would never come to any good – it was your favourite son, the son you were grooming to run the whole enterprise, and who fucked off East, and left the prodigal son to run the whole matter. Rest in peace, Dad.

  59. None

    Anyone on twitter? Someone should report these tweets for inciting violence now. Start with
    https://mobile.twitter.com/iamfonda/status/1009304641090154499
    Of course take screenshots first and send them to the media.
    A few more like that on find this thread. These are really demented. Inciting people to go after kids.

  60. None

    Long suffering local police have taken the kids to a shelter, hopefully for a warm bed for the night and a decent feed.

    long suffering local police should then put the kids on a plane to another city on the other side of Australia and place the children with a warm loving normal family. Then they should go and arrest the mother and the father and sterilise them.

  61. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sit down money arrived today.

    Driving from Durban, South Africa, to Isandlewana and Rorke’s Drift, you go through Zulu villages, where the locals live in mud huts, and wash their clothes in the river. The children are bright eyed, dressed in school uniform, and attending the local school. No runny noses, piles of rubbish or car bodies everywhere.

    “Your government pays people not to work? What stupidity is that?”

  62. Slayer of Memes

    I can’t be the organizer for they’ll arrest me for conspiracy to commit sedition. This must be like a spontaneous event without seeming to be organized by me

    “It should be spontaneous, but meticulously planned so that one of you proles will go to jail instead of me to make sure it doesn’t look like you are all carrying out an action that I totally told you to do…”

  63. None

    Two things that astonish me about Peter Fonda’s tweets – firstly they are not trending as in there is no lefty outrage and secondly despite them being reported Twitter has not suspended his account. In other words the Twitter algorithms are not applied to their lefty fanboys. Remember Roseanne lost a TV series over a really bad joke. This guy is inciting violence against children.

  64. None

    Demented isn’t it Slayer.

  65. None

    Don’t ever wonder why Hollywood is full of rapists and child molesters
    https://mobile.twitter.com/joshfoxfilm/status/1009319754002259968

  66. C.L.

    You have to laugh at Democrats and actors pretending to care about children.

  67. Bruce in WA

    That time of night for some beauty in the world.

  68. Slayer of Memes

    None, I’ve been reporting and retweeting other people’s reports for an hour or so…

  69. BrettW

    JC,
    Fascinating story about your rubbish issues. I can see you are suffering from the memories.

    Now I know you must be desperate for a stoush but I am going to have to call BS that I would have any reaction over your drama with your council.

    Pathetic attempt at stirring by you but grateful if you could go into your extensive library of my previous posts to back up your claim that I had some sort of reaction to your story. Quite frankly I don’t recall this major drama but clearly a significant event in your life. My sincere apologies for having no recollection of your sob story. Probably because you are making stuff up again in order to try to stir up an argument.

    So please prove your post or we will just add it to your list of lies.

  70. Slayer of Memes

    You have to laugh at Democrats and actors pretending to care about children.

    “OMG DRUMPF IS TERRORISING CHILDREN!! WE SHOULD TOTALLY TERRORISE HIS CHILD, AND THAT OF THE ICE/DHS/CBP AGENTS DOING HIS BIDDING, BECAUSE WE ARE TOTALLY AGAINST CHILDREN BEING TERRORISED!!”

    (Note: All caps, because nothing says ‘unhinged leftie’ like posting a screed inciting a potential federal crime like what Fonda has been posting, like all caps does…)

  71. JC

    Roost

    You did. In fact you had one of your frequent sissy dramas telling the readership what an awful human being I must be to have spoken to someone like that…. a sanitation person. I wasn’t stirring anything, you sissy fuck. I was just shooting the breeze. How’s Alan doing?

  72. C.L.

    Planned Parenthood [email protected]
    26m26 minutes ago

    “The Office of Refugee Resettlement is turning its back on the children for whom they are responsible.” #KeepFamiliesTogether

  73. JC

    Planned Parenthood [email protected]
    26m26 minutes ago

    “The Office of Refugee Resettlement is turning its back on the children for whom they are responsible.” #KeepFamiliesTogether

    Obviously, they’re short of body parts.

  74. None

    Don’t ever wonder why Hollywood is full of ra-pists and child mo-lesters
    https://mobile.twitter.com/joshfoxfilm/status/1009319754002259968

  75. DrBeauGan

    Bruce in WA, that was indeed beautiful. And a sweet little soloist, too.

  76. .

    Gasland? What a bullshit artist.

  77. None

    Slayer that’s good that’s evidence of Twitter bias that should be sent to media like Fox News or Infowars although I suspect the latter is probably already on to it.

  78. None

    No one cares for children like planned parenthood.

  79. JC

    Pretty amazing. I was suspended by Twitter for 12 hous because I suggested to Fonda his sister is the biggest, treacherous C in the world. He obviously reported me. But it’s funny because he was calling Sarah H a c…

    Proving once again what a piece shit Jack Dorsey is

  80. zyconoclast

    Bruce in WA
    #2742999, posted on June 20, 2018 at 11:47 pm
    That time of night for some beauty in the world.

    Thank you.

  81. Cpt Seahawks

    Planned Parenthood [email protected]
    26m26 minutes ago

    “The Office of Refugee Resettlement is turning its back on the children for whom they are responsible.” #KeepFamiliesTogether

    And we’re back after a short break at the Virtual Signal Olympiad.
    And we see another favourite make the finals. With a display of such superb hypocrisy and twisting of societal norms in the latest tweet, they will be very difficult to counter under these conditions.
    “The PP squad”.

  82. BorisG

    Do you think Mattis is an idiot too?

    No. He just has different views and agenda from trump . He was opposed trump’s exit from the Iran deal etc., believes Russia is the man adversary of the US, believes Israeli settlements harm peace etc.

    And now this turkey.

  83. BorisG

    The worst thing about Mattis – he believes Israeli policies harm US relationships with the Arab world.

  84. zyconoclast

    Proving once again what a piece shit Jack Dorsey is

    A bit harsh on Jack Dorsey. This sounds OK

  85. Cpt Seahawks

    Virtual signal. Interesting.

  86. Cpt Seahawks

    Virtual signal. I think that is not a thing Cpt.

  87. Oh come on

    The Iranians kept a half dozen or so legacy Tomcats airborne – somehow – throughout the Iran-Iraq War. They’d appear periodically and make the Iraqis soil themselves and get their Mirages and MiGs out of the theatre toot sweet. The F-14 was a very capable platform, even when the planes were held together with cable ties. I suspect the Iranian F-14s remain their most capable fighters.

    The F-35 is a very different beast, though. Its potency lies in its interconnectivity with other assets, rather than the capabilities of the individual aircraft.

    It’s kind of interesting. I see the Japanese saying they want to develop a hybrid of the F-22 and the F-35, and everyone is creaming their shorts over this. Geez why didn’t anyone else think of such a combination? Seems to me the Japanese don’t get it. Putting it in automotive terms – make a hybrid of a Lamborghini and a Bentley. You’re going to get the worst attributes of both, rather than the best. Unless the Japanese are willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money to develop such a plane, and they aren’t, which is why they’re floating pie-in-the-sky concepts of F-22/F-35 hybrids.

    Don’t get me wrong. The F-22 is a genius plane. But I think its most valuable role was in making the US’s rivals focus on supermanoeuvrability as the key attribute of a jet fighter. So the Russians and the Chinese are all bragging about how their new planes are going to outperform the F-22, and run rings around the F-35, thrust-vectoring dick measuring, yadda yadda yadda. That’s all great. Pity that hyperconnectivity is the new supermanoeuvrability, the Russians and Chinese have put their eggs in the wrong basket, and are subsequently at least a generation behind the F-35.

    We’re just starting to catch the first glimpses of who’s winning the arms race between US airborne stealth and Russian anti-aircraft platforms. Israeli F-35s destroyed numerous high-value targets in Syria and were not engaged by Syrian air defences. Syrian air defence is at least fairly sophisticated – the Russians say they haven’t deployed their most advanced platforms there. Who knows. What we do know is that the F-35 can evade fairly advanced hostile air defences.

    But back to the Turks and the delivery of a couple of F-35s. The strength of this platform is in its incredible situational awareness. But this only comes from data relayed by a range of friendly assets. If that data chain is severed (because Turkey goes the way of Persia, and Turkey’s former NATO allies end their interoperability) then a Turkish F-35 could be forced into a dogfight with a Russian plane designed to take on a Raptor – in which case the F-35 ought to lose. But the f-35 was not designed for such close-quarter combat. It’s supposed to destroy multiple adversaries before they know what’s hitting them.

  88. BorisG

    then a Turkish F-35 could be forced into a dogfight with a Russian plane designed to take on a Raptor – in which case the F-35 ought to lose.

    They may be a potential threat to Israel. It may sound hypothetical now but the way thing are going in Turkey…

    They are certainly a threat to all sorts of Kurds, though a bit of an overkill.

  89. Slayer of Memes

    Slayer that’s good that’s evidence of Twitter bias that should be sent to media like Fox News or Infowars although I suspect the latter is probably already on to it.

    Breitbart has an article up, and some deplorable sent a tweet to Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Judge Jeanine Pirro, and Fox News (with screenshots) about 10 minutes after you mentioned it

  90. JC

    Here’s something new. Oil producers in the US’s biggest oil patch will have to close wells because… the pipelines can’t carry all their production.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/shale-giant-says-permian-oil-faces-shut-ins-on-pipeline-shortage

  91. Oh come on

    They may be a potential threat to Israel. It may sound hypothetical now but the way thing are going in Turkey…

    No, Boris. An interconnected IAF F-35 will obliterate an orphaned Turkish F-35. It would be an embarrassingly lopsided affair.

    The major risk in delivering F-35s to the Turkish is the potential for technological transfer to US strategic rivals. I have no idea why Turkey remains a big cheese in NATO. During the Cold War it made sense. Now…not so much.

  92. BorisG

    JC this is interesting. It looks like shale oil is now 70% of US oil production. Which means deep water may becomes irrelevant. Do you know the cost of production (shale vs deep water)?

  93. Slayer of Memes

    Apparently it’s not just Peter Fonda who has lost his mind…

    Others in Hollywood is following him:

    Tom Arnold
    ‏Verified account
    @TomArnold

    Tom Arnold Retweeted Judd Apatow

    Way past sad & all in for these kids with @JuddApatow @FoxNews already hates me. On a plane to NY. Next is protesting Baron’s private school as well as James & Lachlan Murdoch’s kids. This is what I can do to end the abuse of these children. We’re going to make you uncomfortable

    Judd Apatow
    Verified account
    @JuddApatow

    We all have always heard about concentration camps and thought about what we would have done if we were alive at that time. Well we are now. What are you going to do? How are you going to speak up? How will you protest? https://twitter.com/richardmetzger/status/1009086696909045760

    1:32 am – 20 Jun 2018

    Yep… Hollywood liberals are now stalking a 12 year old boy.

    Not a great look when you think about all of the Hollywood child abuse that’s been exposed lately…

  94. JC

    I don’t know, Boris. I’d guess though that deep water extraction is far more costly, as you say.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    A timely reminder for the insane left: trump’s popularity is at record highs for this stage of his Presidency.

    Keep doing what your doing.

    P.s what do you think the chances of Australians getting tax cuts were without Don showing the way?

  96. Jimf

    This NSW Govt:pretend low taxing, smaller govt, individual freedoms impersonators, out in the press being whacked off for a big “all heart” BGT spending of our money. Mortally maim the people, then gallop in and offer us a cool drink and a band aid.

  97. BorisG

    deep water extraction is far more costly, as you say.

    Not sure actually, but I will check. It certainly requires much smaller capital investment and shorter time to bring assets online, but success rate (proportion of wells with good production) is not so great. Rapid growth might also bring prices down especially if there are transportation, refining and export problems.

    I am assuming that the current growth is a direct result of Saudis giving up on keeping prices down and their agreement with Putin. Ironically it is the Americans that might now bring the prices down, and not intentionally. I will not be surprised. Because required capital investment is low, onshore oil and gas business is very competitive and may easily overheat.

  98. BorisG

    P.s what do you think the chances of Australians getting tax cuts were without Don showing the way?

    We had one under Costello.

  99. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2743036, posted on June 21, 2018 at 1:27 am

    deep water extraction is far more costly, as you say.

    Not sure actually

    Not cheaper, but deep sea exploration/extraction has been on the back-burner everywhere since the BP fiasco.

    It will come back, make no mistake. There is just so much oil under the sea floor that it cannot be ignored long term, unless some dramatic new energy source is found.

  100. Infidel Tiger

    Easy to run a surplus during a housing ponzi bonanza.

    Now that the wheels are coming off expect bloodshed in Nsw.

    Fines will have to take up the slack.

  101. Slayer of Memes

    Twitter might be waking up…

    The Peter Fonda tweet about Barron Trump has been deleted…

    The others are still up at this time, and the account is still active…

  102. Slayer of Memes

    It has been reported that Melania Trump (as well as hundreds of Twitter users) reported Fonda’s tweets to the Secret Service, who have acknowledged the reports, although they did also state that they ‘will not comment on the potential of any ongoing investigations’.

    Several people have pointed out that Fonda could be in breach of several US statutes that could see him face up to 10 years in federal prison…

    Wonder if that has anything to do with the statement just released by his publicist after his tweets about Barron Trump and the DHS/ICE/CBP agent’s children:

    “Peter wanted to make sure that Melania and Ivanka communicate with the president the dire circumstances of separating mothers and young children. My response is the move was evil same as the Pope.”

    Peter might be also shitting himself after the news out of Florida earlier:

    Stuart man charged with threatening Rep. Brian Mast’s children over Trump policy

    A Stuart man was arrested Tuesday after a federal complaint states he threatened U.S. Rep. Brian Mast’s children over the Trump administration’s child-separation immigration policy.

    Laurence Key called Mast’s Washington office Monday and said, “I’m going to find the congressman’s kids and kill them,” an intern who took the call told the FBI, according to a federal complaint filed in U.S. District Court. “If you are going to separate kids at the border, I’m going to kill his kids.”

    Key is charged with communication of a threat to kidnap or injure a person in regard to Mast’s children, a girl and two boys younger than 8.

    Key previously has called Mast’s office 478 times, the complaint says, and also contacted the offices of Florida Sens. Marco Rubio and Bill Nelson Monday.

    Key told an FBI investigator and Martin County sheriff’s deputy he never threatened to kill Mast’s children, but admitted he said “Mast should be separated from his kids” if he supported the Trump administration policy, the federal complaint says.

    Key lives in Twin Lakes mobile home park in the 4600 block of Southeast Circle Way, the complaint says.

    He regularly attends Martin County political events and often tweets about political issues as well as posts and comments about them on Facebook.

    Key is scheduled to be arraigned July 2 in Fort Pierce.

    Mast’s spokesman deferred comment to the Capitol Police.

    Tolerant. Compassionate. Leftists.

  103. Tom

    Mac (Stan McMurtry, London Daily Mail).

  104. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The left is total deranged, the home of deviants, perverts, leeches, layabouts and losers.

  105. Slayer of Memes

    Another ‘compassionate’ Leftist…. with a gun…

    Manhunt Underway For Pennsylvania Man Accused of Threatening to ‘Put a Bullet in President Trump’s Head’

    US Marshals are searching for 26-year-old Shawn Christy of McAdoo, Pennsylvania after he threatened to ‘put a bullet in Trump’s head,’ in a social media post.

    The man is considered armed and dangerous.

    CBS Pittsburgh reported:

    U.S. Marshals are searching for a Central Pennsylvania man accused of threatening President Trump and other officials.

    WNEP reports that Marshals are looking for 26-year-old Shawn Christy of McAdoo, Pennsylvania.
    Authorities say he should be considered armed and dangerous.

    Christy reportedly posted a social media post threatening to “put a bullet in the head of President Trump.”

    The post has since been deleted.

    Christy also posted about Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli.

    WNEP also reports that this isn’t the first time Christy has been in trouble for making threats.

    He and his father were sentenced to probation in 2012 for making hundreds of threatening phone calls to former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and her attorney.

    Police say if you see Christy to please call 911 or the U.S. Marshals at (484) 358-1974.

    The left is completely unhinged; these threats are due to constant negative media coverage of Trump.

    Because of the fake news media, crazy leftists in America believe Trump is literally Hitler who keeps babies in cages and committed treason when he ‘colluded with Russia’ to win the 2016 election.

    It’s not gun control that the US needs…. Its LEFTIST control…

  106. Shy Ted

    Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand Prime Minister, enters hospital for birth of first child.
    Call the Midwife.

  107. OldOzzie

    Young hoist red flag but know nothing of Mao and less of Lenin

    Almost two-thirds of university-educated millennials are in favour of socialism. Just don’t ask them who Mao, Lenin or Stalin are.

    In further evidence the young are lurching to the left, a YouGov Galaxy poll commissioned by the Centre for Independent Studies has revealed that 58 per cent of millennials — those born between 1980 and 1996 — viewed socialism favourably. Support was even higher among university graduates, at 63 per cent.

    Similarly, 59 per cent were of the view that capitalism had failed society and 62 per cent believed Australian workers were worse off now than they were 40 years ago, notwithstanding the economic data suggesting otherwise.

    Yet despite the millennials’ embrace of socialism — a system whereby the government has ultimate control for the economy and society, where the promise of equal opportunity and a welfare safety net comes at the cost to individual freedom — few respondents were familiar with some of its most famous historical figures.

    Of the 1003 people polled, only 21 per cent were familiar with ­Chinese communist revolutionary Mao Zedong, 26 per cent were familiar with Vladimir Lenin and 34 per cent knew about Soviet leader Joseph Stalin. Combined, the trio are responsible for causing the deaths of more than 80 million people.

    Centre for Independent Studies executive director Tom ­Switzer said socialism’s rise in popularity was alarming.

    “A problem with the young is they fail to put contemporary events in a broader historic context,” he said. “We’ve had 27 years of uninterrupted economic growth so these young people have not seen a recession or an economic downturn.”

    Mr Switzer warned that the shift to the left could have significant implications as millennials, of which the oldest is now 38, move into positions of power in government and business.

    RMIT students Grace Cunningham and Ed Hirst said they identified with aspects of socialism but they don’t profess to be ­experts on its history.

    “Sometimes I do think I’m a socialist … I support more public housing and I think the government should do more on jobs for young people and the ­environment,” Ms Cunningham, 22, said.

    Mr Hirst, also 22, said it was hard not to be a socialist when ­attending university. “There is a real feeling that socialism is the right way,” he said.

  108. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2743046, posted on June 21, 2018 at 4:36 am

    A.F.Branco #1. 0 Definitely today’s Winner

    Thanks – sums up the US, and might I say Australian, Media succinctly and superbly

  109. John Constantine

    Careful, Ted. Their ABC is spending a billion dollars a year to create a freedom fighting revolutionary cadre of enraged, single, childless women of a certain age.

    This is because they are useful cannon fodder for the left and are desperate to leave a mark on the world by destroying the old Australia that they feel failed them by treating them how they said they should be treated, instead of how they really wanted.

    Hate speech not to fully respect their earnest revolutionary zeal to ban everything, everywhere for every reason.

    What price to put on a million women with squandered lives, ABC social revolutionaries?.

    Like one of Stalin’s penal battalions, nobody can speak out against the system that dumped them in it.

    Comrades.

  110. Tel

    Easy to run a surplus during a housing ponzi bonanza.

    Now that the wheels are coming off expect bloodshed in Nsw.

    They still hit you with stamp duty even if it’s a distressed sale, so bloodshed in the housing market will only increase government revenue. Once the developer has gone into debt to build a block of flats they HAVE to sell them.

    Fines will have to take up the slack.

    If they push hard enough to discourage people from driving, then they won’t have to build roads, so it evens out in the end.

  111. OldOzzie

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN
    We are funding our own demise. – How universities are betraying Australia

    We are funding our own demise. A country that is the product of Western civilisation has a death wish when it sends billions of taxpayer dollars to a swag of fancy universities, few of which teach students the tenets of Western civilisation. Each year the federal government — meaning we taxpayers — sends $16.8 billion to universities because educating the next generation is a fine way to spend our money. Except for this: a detailed history audit conducted last year by the Institute of Public Affairs found that few Australian universities teach the core subjects about the history of Western civilisation.

    More university subjects cover the history of film than democracy, more focus on identity than the Enlightenment.

    It’s bad enough that the Australian National University, which received $632.8 million from taxpayers, isn’t teaching the great books of Western civilisation to its students. That it turned down a generous donation from the Ramsay Centre to do that, along with an offer of scholarships for students, points to the sly anti-Western virus infecting our universities.

    The rearguard attack from ANU academics yesterday that they have Western civilisation covered is laughable. For starters, their course outlines are skewed to what’s wrong with our history, not what’s admirable about Western civilisation. If they truly offered what Ramsay offered, anti-Western students and union activists would presumably be protesting against their content in the same way they protested against Ramsay’s proposal. More to the point, the ANU would not have sought a partnership with Ramsay, nor proceeded so close to sealing the deal, if ANU history academics had Western civilisation covered.

    And it’s not just the ANU that lets students down. Using the most recent available data, the five Australian universities ranked worst in the history audit received $1.6bn from taxpayers in 2016. La Trobe University receives $465m from taxpayers and students can study Food for Thought: Discovering the World Through Commodities. But of the 20 most significant topics in the history of Western civilisation, La Trobe offers students just one. When universities draw on the public teat to teach humanities yet do not teach the basic foundations of Western civilisation, it is, frankly, a two-fingered salute to taxpayers, to our history and to our future.

    On that front, here are some more pertinent numbers. This week’s Newspoll revealed that two-thirds of those surveyed want university students to have the chance to study a serious course in Western civilisation just like the one proposed by the Ramsay Centre. The common sense of Australians contrasts with the hysteria from academics, a nincompoop branch secretary at the National Tertiary Education Union in the ACT, and some misguided students who are so drenched in politics and ideology that they oppose a course that introduces students to books by Aristotle, Linnaeus, Shakespeare, Plato, Socrates, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Goethe, Kierkegaard, Joyce, Jung and more, minus the myriad political filters of left-wing academe.

    Another set of numbers offers more evidence that we are funding our own demise. Glance at Tom Switzer’s piece where the executive director of the Centre for Independent Studies sets out the results of a CIS/YouGov poll. Fifty-eight per cent of millennials have a favourable view of socialism, while almost 60 per cent think that capitalism has failed, even as socialism fails to feed the people of Venezuela. And where, by the way, do millennials think their iPhones come from? Alas, having a university education doesn’t change this figure among millennials: 62 per cent think workers are worse off today than four decades ago, pointing to a problem that stretches from school to university.

    The CIS/YouGov poll coincides with the latest Lowy poll, released yesterday, which confirms once again a stubborn majority of 18 to 29-year-olds do not believe democracy is preferable to any other kind of government.

    Staying with the state of rottenness in our universities, Institute of Public Affairs executive director John Roskam last week highlighted something that deserves far more policy attention: Australian university students lack choice because a small number of very big universities wield oligarchic power — and that is set to get worse with the University of Adelaide and the University of South Australia in merger talks.

    When the University of Sydney has 60,000 students in contrast to Harvard University’s 22,000 students, it’s time to talk about breaking up our big universities. And Roskam explained why: a student in the US seeking a solid left-wing education can enrol at a progressive university such as Evergreen State College, which kicked out a science professor last year for daring to say that a “Day of Absence” — where whites are told to stay home — is racist. An American student with different ambitions can choose a very different education — maybe a course in the great books at Boston College or the University of Chicago or Columbia. “No such opportunity exists in the insular and parochial world that is humanities teaching in Australian universities,” wrote Roskam. Only the small, liberal arts Campion College offers something close to this great tradition.

    Summing up these dismal numbers, we are not getting bang for our buck from our universities. And it became a teachable moment when the ANU turned down money to teach the great books of Western civilisation but readily takes money from the United Arab Emirates, Iran and Turkey to fund a Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies.

    Actually, two teachable moments: first, about the fact we are funding our downfall by using taxpayer funds to spread an anti-Western virus. On this front, a few Liberal ministers have made fine remarks about defending Western civilisation. Josh Frydenberg deserves kudos for saying it is critical for the next generation of students to understand where the rule of law came from, where democracy came from, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, women’s suffrage too. He’s right to say this is a new fault line for Australia. “This is not a cultural war,” he says. “This is about … where Australia (is) heading. And in order to know where you’re going, you have to know where you come from, and we come from the Judeo-Christian ethic. This for me and for my colleagues is absolutely vital. We need to fight on it, we need to make it well known that our position is not for changing.”

    But with respect, as someone else once said, if your actions don’t live up to your words, you have nothing to say. That raises the second teachable moment about the only real antidote to the anti-Western virus on Australian campuses. We need to disrupt and dismantle Australia’s small group of very large universities so that students are given more choice, perhaps through financial incentives to encourage the rise of new universities and funding cutbacks to existing ones. We need a whole new model of tertiary education.

    The prospect of dealing with more, not less, vice-chancellors won’t thrill an education minister. But imagine the legacy of giving students the choice of a truly liberal education at universities willing to teach the reasons Australia, a land that millions of migrants have flocked to, is a product of Western civilisation.

  112. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    Trump is right on the UNHRC

    Donald Trump’s exasperation with the blatant hypocrisy and mindless anti-Israel bias of the UN Human Rights Council has led to the US pulling out of the 47-nation body. The President’s frustration is well founded. In the words of his UN ambassador, Nikki Haley, the council, which is supposed to be the world’s premier human rights guardian, has become “a cesspool of political bias”, its membership dominated by a “rogues’ gallery” of the most egregious human rights offenders including Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China, Venezuela and Egypt. Fourteen of its members are ranked as “not free” by Freedom House, the global monitoring body. The so-called Democratic Republic of Congo absurdly took its seat in March after being elected by the UN General Assembly as mass graves were being unearthed in the African country and investigations were under way into the murder there of human rights experts.

    Since the UNHRC’s establishment in 2006, these sorts of countries have made a mockery of its human rights mandate by focusing overwhelmingly on alleged abuses in the Middle East’s only democracy and only country in the region where the rule of law and religious freedom prevails while largely overlooking atrocities in places such as Syria, Yemen, Iran or Iraq. Bashing Israel is a fixed item on the UNHRC’s agenda. As Ms Haley said, “When the council passes more than 70 resolutions against Israel, a country with a strong human rights record, and just seven resolutions against Iran, a country with an abysmal human rights record, you know something is seriously wrong.”

    One recent estimate is that while the council has condemned Israel at least 78 times, it has passed resolutions on Syria, where 500,000 people have been slaughtered, 29 times and North Korea nine times.

    A costly campaign last year saw Australia elected to the council for a three-year term. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop shares many of the concerns aired by the US but believes it will be useful for us to remain. We hope she’s right. That will be the case, however, only if we can achieve the root-and-branch reform of a UN body that has become an international bad joke.

  113. OldOzzie

    Education system produces anti-capitalist millennials

    Anyone over the age of 45 will have clear memories of the ecstatic reaction to the fall of the Berlin Wall in November 1989.

    The wall had been erected in 1961 because Germans living in the so-called German Democratic Republic were, at the rate then of more than 10,000 a day, walking from the Russian zone of Berlin to the British, American or French zones.

    In the “democratic” republic, all but the most corrupt and stupid of East Germans wanted to leave for one overwhelming reason: that the socialism imposed on their society by the Soviet-backed German communists who ruled them had removed their personal liberty and impoverished them. In the end, it was an ideology that could be enforced only by turning their country into a prison and many of its citizens into a network of informers.

    Sadly, many of those too young to recall a world damaged by doctrinaire leftism fail to understand the system of oppression and coercion that enforced it.

    According to a Centre for Independent Studies/YouGov poll, 58 per cent of Australian millennials — those born between 1980 and 1996 — have a favourable view of socialism, with only 18 per cent having an unfavourable one. They believe government should have more control of the economy.

    However — proving Cicero’s point that “to be ignorant of what happened before you were born is to remain a child” — only 21 per cent of those questioned said they knew well who Mao Zedong was and 51 per cent said they knew nothing of him at all. Just 26 per cent were familiar with Vladimir Lenin and 34 per cent with Joseph Stalin.

    It is perhaps a sign of grace that the older these millennials are, the more sceptical they become about the socialist dream: 64 per cent of the youngest support socialism against only 51 per cent of the oldest. Perhaps there is a chance that they will, eventually, grow up. However, their support for socialism is only half the story. On, it seems, evidence as flimsy as that on which they base their enthusiasm for the left, millennials also revile capitalism. Almost 60 per cent believe it has failed.

    It is a regrettable comment on the quality of our university education system that almost as many who have been through it share this prejudice as though they have not experienced its benefits.

    That 62 per cent of millennials believe Australian workers are worse off today than 40 years ago is in direct contradiction of all available economic evidence: from the mid-1980s to about 2012, the country experienced the biggest national income boom since the gold rushes; and our economy is in its 27th consecutive year of economic growth, surpassing The Netherlands for the gold medal for the longest economic expansion in the modern era.

    Again, there is distressing evidence — distressing, that is, to all those who value freedom and personal liberty — that assumptions are made on the basis of wilful ignorance: 61 per cent of graduates among millennials share this wrongheaded idea.

    Similarly, they believe — entirely wrongly — that the government is running down the public services: once these people buy into one aspect of the pro-socialist propaganda, they buy it all.

    While the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists, they are well schooled about the wickedness of the extreme right: 73 per cent of them are well aware of Adolf Hitler and his iniquities. It is a problem the world over — not merely in Australia — that establishments never try to be objective about the enormities of all political extremes.

    It remains entirely morally acceptable for political leaders on the left to claim an inheritance from Marx, Lenin or Fidel Castro. Were anyone on the right to express admiration even for a dictator such as Francisco Franco, whose crimes were comparatively mild by the standards of other fascists, and certainly by comparison with Stalin or Mao, they would be denounced.

    For a politician or public figure to express any admiration for Hitler or his doctrines is, quite rightly, to invite the termination of a career. So it should for those who endorse the doctrines of Stalin or Mao, because of the incontrovertible evidence that those doctrines can, in the end, be imposed only by force, deprivation of liberty and murder.

    The predominantly well-educated young people who romanticise socialism should be expected to have the intellectual training to look at the evidence, and thereby to understand the harm that the doctrines they find so attractive have done to economies, societies and, above all, individuals.

    There is no economy in history that has benefited from socialism. All economies that have enjoyed sustained growth and have broadened prosperity have done so through free trade and free markets; regulation is the enemy of prosperity, and prosperity is the only means of providing the public services that socialists are so fond of claiming they prize. Socialists need to remember that you don’t tax a loss: you only tax a profit. Without profit — without capitalism — you cannot raise the revenue to provide public healthcare, education, law and order, or defence. That is the central hypocrisy of socialism, and one its adherents would do well to recall before they denounce capitalism again.

    The other method socialists have tried to raise resources to provide for everyone is by expropriation of private property and collectivism. Anyone who wishes to see the results of that does not even have to look back to the impoverishment of the Soviet bloc or the misery of Mao’s China: recent events in Venezuela, and the way in which thousands of Cubans have risked their lives trying to escape on flimsy vessels to the US, give more immediate and startling evidence.

    Much of the fault of this incomprehension among the young must lie with our education system: not just universities, with their acrid determination to teach leftist values above all others and to promote teachers who adhere to them, but in our schools, with the failure to teach basic general knowledge. This is no minor problem, because one day such people may exercise a vote to impose such appalling doctrines, and their collateral damage, on our society. To use a good old Soviet phrase, the re-education had better start here.


    Tom Switzer is executive director of the Centre for Independent Studies in Sydney, where Charles Jacobs is a policy analyst.

  114. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bruce in WA
    #2742999, posted on June 20, 2018 at 11:47 pm
    That time of night for some beauty in the world.

    Delightful Bruce. That thing she is blowing into is surely a forerunner to the didgeridoo, and the sawing on kangaroo gut in the background needs further refinement as well.

  115. Tom

    While the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists, they are well schooled about the wickedness of the extreme right: 73 per cent of them are well aware of Adolf Hitler and his iniquities.

    Oh dear. What will happen when our dumbfuck millennials find out the 20th century’s most famous mass-murderer belonged to a branch of their beloved socialism?

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Careful, Ted. Their ABC is spending a billion dollars a year to create a freedom fighting revolutionary cadre of enraged, single, childless women of a certain age.

    Nah, they’re just preserving their ‘available’ status for the right man.

    56-Year-Old Swiss People Smuggler Marries Her 27-Year-Old Migrant Boyfriend in ‘Islamic Ceremony’

    A 56-year-old Swiss woman who was arrested and convicted of trying to smuggle her failed asylum seeker lover into Switzerland has now married him in an “Islamic ceremony” in hopes he can remain in Europe.

    Barbara Schwager married 27-year-old Pakistani migrant Nadeem Akram in Italy where the couple currently lives following Schwager’s conviction for attempting to illegally smuggle him into Switzerland last year, Blick reports.

    I’m sure they will be very happy together!

  117. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ABC contributes as much to the economy as it costs the taxpayer: Michelle Guthrie

    With this logic we should double the funding and get double the benefit. What a moron.

  118. Baldrick

    Cheers Tom. A.F.Branco #1 for sure.

  119. calli

    Had fun yesterday out and about at a fair. Turned out to be v/s central.

    Buying lotsa good things when I’m asked if I would like a bag. Woman next to me (out of nowhere) exclaims, I won’t. I’m saving the planet one bag at a time and one less bag is a plus. Chuckling, I noted that there will be 50trillion others to take its place. Harrumph.

    I’ll have a bag please (noting that I’d bought a considerable amount of stuff).

    They were brown paper bags. 😄

  120. struth

    While the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists, they are well schooled about the wickedness of the extreme right: 73 per cent of them are well aware of Adolf Hitler and his iniquities.

    Hitler is extreme right?

    Firstly isn’t it nice to see some finally getting to the core of our problem.
    Brainwashing the kiddies by the Marxist education system.
    How long have we been banging on about it here?

    Secondly, just to show how well the brainwashing works, even these writers conclude that a leader of a socialist party was an extremist free market, small government, low taxing, individual responsibility thinking right winger.

    Can somebody please tell me, seriously, how the F they can come to this conclusion when the left can’t win arguing it.
    But, but but, it wasn’t the socialist party of NAZI that was the problem, it was the word national………

    Please spare me.
    Everything in the world just about had National in it’s name before the global Socialists made it a sin to be a western sovereign country.
    The problem with the Nazis was the inherent racism of socialism, which can only exist in a collectivist (socialist) mindset.
    When we start (as Mrs Struth did yesterday) fighting this terribly successful falsehood of this leftist propaganda we may get somewhere.
    These writers, god bless them, are late to the party and still bending over to leftism, such is their confusion.

  121. From the oz – “Now they have sunk to the worst ODI lost in their history”

  122. C.L.

    This is hilarious …

    Rachel Maddow breaks down during report on ‘tender age’ shelters

  123. calli

    The Ramirez is good. Quite so.

    Payne makes the mistake of confusing a learned skill with IQ. Had he added “again” it would have worked.

  124. calli

    What is worse?

    Parents using their children as pawns or governments doing it?

  125. Baldrick

    Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand Prime Minister, enters hospital for birth of first child.

    First pictures of the baby are starting to emerge.

  126. C.L.

    Melania Trump liaises with Secret Service about Peter Fonda …

    Fonda – a communist asshole like his boring father – surrenders:

    ‘I tweeted something highly inappropriate and vulgar about the president and his family in response to the devastating images I was seeing on television,’ Fonda said.

    ‘Like many Americans, I am very impassioned and distraught over the situation with children separated from their families at the border, but I went way too far. It was wrong and I should not have done it. I immediately regretted it and sincerely apologize to the family for what I said and any hurt my words have caused.’

  127. Baldrick

    Bit wait, there’s more …

    Scandal-hit Senator Lucy Gichuhi was taken to court a staggering seven times for failing to pay nearly $10,000 in council rates and water bills – and she’s STILL working off the debt despite earning $200,000 a year.
    Court documents obtained exclusively by Daily Mail Australia show the Kenyan-born federal MP faced legal action from City of Port Adelaide Enfield council and the South Australian Water Corporation in 2013 and 2014.
    The Turnbull Government senator, who is on a $203,000 salary, was ordered by local court magistrates to pay $9,731 in seven unpaid bills, related to two investment properties in Adelaide.

  128. struth

    Fonda publicity…………………………

  129. First pictures of the baby are starting to emerge.

    And here

  130. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Like many Americans, I am very impassioned and distraught over the situation with children separated from their families at the border

    How odd that I can’t recall him being this passionate when Obama was doing it.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists

    They won’t get it in their school English curriculum (which they should) but get your teenage children, plus your young friends and relations, to read ‘A Gentleman in Moscow’ by Amor Towles, a compelling introduction to the true controlling and deathly nature of Russian communism. This book is a telling message against all such ‘improving and socialist’ anti-human practices. It shows how at first good people get sucked into its evil net and the inevitable outcome for them. Also, introduce them to ‘Wild Swans’ by Jung Chang for a lived insight into Mao’s oppressive Cultural Revolution, which again shows how the young and idealistic get manipulated. Let young readers of these books see how the bodies stack up and how lives are ruined by naively good intentions. Good books, whether novels or memoirs, can still change a young person’s perceptions, and thus the world. Keep them reading. Work to change the curricula too.

  132. calli

    Lucy is a star pupil of the Sarah Sea-Patrol school of household budgeting and drive-by troughing.

    She is a strong condender for Dux.

  133. the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists

    It’s worse than you thought.
    I was told by a 90s kid that criticism of Mao and Stalin was capitalist propaganda. They were both nice guys.

  134. Farmer Gez

    NSW government looking to ban smart phones in schools.
    Good! Weak and complacent school leadership needs a shake up.
    The boys are bad enough but the girls are phone junkies. Our empowered girls use their phones for preening, prying and pecking. No educational value at all.

  135. the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists

    If it as widespread as that article implies, then I guess another 40 year fight to national death WW (or two) is on its way.

    The last couple of times we were on the correct side. Not sure about the next time.

  136. Tel

    I was told by a 90s kid that criticism of Mao and Stalin was capitalist propaganda. They were both nice guys.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Century

    Before the BBC was fully captured, worth buying for your loved ones if the boxed set is available anywhere.

  137. NSW government looking to ban smart phones in schools.

    How would the teachers survive?

  138. Snoopy

    How odd that I can’t recall him being this passionate when Obama was doing it.

    There wasn’t the desperate need for the Dems, the MSM and the Hollywood/New York elites to bury the Horowitz report and Congress hearings. The separations hysteria is a measure of their fear. Enjoy it.

  139. H B Bear

    Gichuhi is quick off the mark. Nothing more Australian than being mortgaged to the eyeballs with a couple of investment properties hoping to ride the property Ponzi to unearned wealth. I hope she knows where they are.

  140. Baldrick

    Fonda – a communist asshole like his boring father – surrenders:

    Leftards are evil. Pure.Fucking.Evil –

    Jack Posobiec🇺🇸 ✔ @JackPosobiec
    To be clear:
    Today an A-List Hollywood Democrat openly called for an adolescent child to be put into a rape cage with pedophiles bc his family is conservative
    Let that sink in

  141. Bruce of Newcastle

    If only they could marry.

    Canadian Professors Write About ‘Intimacy of Human-Fish Relations’

    Three gender studies professors at the Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada penned an academic piece this month about the “intimacy of human-fish relations.”

    Professors Sonja Boon, Lesley Butler, and Daze Jeffries of the Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada published a strange academic piece this month about the allegedly intimate relationship between humans and fish.

    The unusual performance-like work that follows is not any less strange. For example, the professors ponder how thinking like a fish might enlighten them on their path to a deeper understanding of modern feminism. “How might a fishy thinking animate feminist thought?” they write.

    The professors then begin to imagine themselves as fish, adopting legs as fins and gills on their necks. All of a sudden, the delusional professors are swimming in a vast ocean, perhaps an escape from the human world in which they claim they “cannot breathe.”

    Don’t stop guys. The man who turned himself into a lizard can coach you how to make all your dreams come true.

  142. Dr Faustus

    Senate announces inquiry into pet food industry

    Australia’s $4 billion pet food industry will be scrutinised by a parliamentary inquiry after a series of reports by 7.30 revealed plastic, shards of metal and mould had been found in some foods, and one popular brand was implicated in more than 100 dogs falling sick.

    Centre Alliance senator Stirling Griff proposed the parliamentary inquiry and said it would examine the feasibility of formal oversight, mandatory recalls and pet food labelling.

    Australia urgently needs a Petfood Commission and enabling legislation.

    There is no corner of the human condition that can’t be made better by more government…

  143. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ‘I tweeted something highly inappropriate and vulgar about the president and his family in response to the devastating images I was seeing on television,’ Fonda said.

    ‘and used it as an opportunity to parade my fake compassion.’

  144. Baldrick

    Fonda – a communist asshole like his boring father – surrenders:

    Leftards are evil. Pure.Fucking.Evil –

    Jack Posobiec🇺🇸 ✔ @JackPosobiec
    To be clear:
    Today an A-List Hollywood Democrat openly called for an adolescent child to be put into a rape cage with ped – ophiles bc his family is conservative
    Let that sink in

  145. cohenite

    DHS responds to myths of demorat opposition to Trump border policies and won’t someone please think of the children:

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy

  146. Empire 5:5

    ‘I tweeted something highly inappropriate and vulgar about the president and his family in response to the devastating images I was seeing on television,’ Fonda said.

    ‘Like many Americans, I am very impassioned and distraught over the situation with children separated from their families at the border, but I went way too far. It was wrong and I should not have done it. I immediately regretted it and sincerely apologize to the family for what I said and any hurt my words have caused.’

    No Peter. You did as you were told. Leverage was applied and you responded. Just like when you defended your rock spidery mate Polanski.

    The fakestream media has gone full retard pimping blatant sensational propaganda. Nuclear grade projection. Where was the outrage when Clinton/Bush/Obama made these laws? What are they afraid of?

    Have we ever seen this level of counter narrative saturation? Panic.

  147. Snoopy

    DHS responds to myths of demorat opposition to Trump border policies and won’t someone please think of the children:

    Fuck off with your stinking truth, Trump lacky.

  148. Rae

    The left is total deranged, the home of deviants, perverts, leeches, layabouts and losers.

    While you are fascinated by Cock Hero.

  149. Tel

    World Health Organization Officially Says Being Transgender Is Not A Mental Illness

    But to balance that out, playing video games IS a mental illness now.

  150. Snoopy

    Compulsive self mutilation is not mental illness but ‘excessive’ gaming is. And remember, the WHO is one of the UN’s invaluable agancies

    The World Health Organization Now Considers ‘Gaming Disorder’ a Unique Mental Health Condition
    TIME – 2 days ago

  151. Snoopy

    Peter Fonda’s apology is just sad. Does he really believe an insincere, albeit grovelling, apology is going to keep him out of jail in Trump’s fascist Amerikka?

  152. Rae

    Donald Trump signs executive order to end separation of immigrant families at US-Mexico border

    Good that sanity has prevailed. Shame that it needed to be brought home to the Trumps in a personal way by Fonda.

  153. Nick

    Seeing a well dressed Lucy G on Kenyan TV doing an eye roll about having no house girls and earning 200k, deserves heavy rotation each day just to remind taxpayers of the trough they fund.

  154. mh

    The Fondas always apologising for things they did not mean. Jane Fonda just stumbled onto a photo shoot with Communist fighters. Shit happens!

  155. .

    Rae
    #2743130, posted on June 21, 2018 at 8:58 am
    Donald Trump signs executive order to end separation of immigrant families at US-Mexico border

    Good that sanity has prevailed. Shame that it needed to be brought home to the Trumps in a personal way by Fonda.

    Trump made Hollywood look like deluded arseholes and Congress irrelevant.

    He also made the Clintons look worse. He never deported a kid at gunpoint.

    GG.

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy

    #2743129, posted on June 21, 2018 at 8:58 am

    Peter Fonda’s apology is just sad. 

    Peter who?
    Is he Jane’s husband?

  157. Snoopy

    Peter who?
    Is he Jane’s husband?

    Easy Rider, young Padawan.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy

    #2743139, posted on June 21, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Peter who?
    Is he Jane’s husband?

    Easy Rider, young Padawan

    Sorry.
    Still ringing no bells.

  159. Mother Lode

    to these youthful idealists

    Ha!

    Nice play on ‘useful idiots’.

  160. This is hilarious …

    Rachel Maddow breaks down during report on ‘tender age’ shelters

    As Geraldo Rivera said today: when did Republicans become the party of child abuse?

  161. C.L.

    … the professors ponder how thinking like a fish might enlighten them on their path to a deeper understanding of modern feminism.

    Shouldn’t be too difficult for a feminist to thing like a sardine.

  162. OldOzzie

    AFR Editorial – Labor’s lack of aspiration hurts the poorest

    It’s official. The Labor Party has now forgotten – or is simply apathetic towards – the aspirational class of Australians that Labor treasurer Paul Keating created in the 1980s by modernising the Australian economy and creating opportunity for working class people.

    A generation later, modern Labor dismisses this as trickle-down neo-liberal economics that just benefits Malcolm Turnbull’s rich banker mates. Bill Shorten doesn’t actually believe it: as a political opportunist he simply senses that there are more votes in economic populism, class envy and abstract grievances than in actually improving people’s real lives.

    This new attitude was summed up by Labor’s Tanya Plibersek – whose career has relied on well-paid taxpayer-funded jobs in universities, the bureaucracy and politics – saying that “honestly, this aspiration term, it mystifies me”. The deputy leader of the Labor Party – herself an aspirational daughter of Slovenian immigrants who has worked hard, became dux at her school in Sydney’s Sutherland Shire and became a minister of the Commonwealth – argues against the notion that the government should not impose punitive taxes on people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps and modestly improve their lot in life.

    It is this attitude that sums up the rotten core of modern Labor: its complete dissociation from the people it is meant to represent. Instead most of its MPs are humanities graduates from universities where the world is taught through a prism of abstractions: inequality, neo-liberalism, power relations, capitalist superstructures, socialism and gender constructs.

    Labor parties of the past, with representatives actually drawn from the people the party purports to represent, were concerned with practically improving the lot of people they represented. This disconnect reflects the findings in a new Centre for Independent Studies report that nearly 60 per cent of Millennials reckon capitalism has failed and government should expand. Almost two-thirds think ordinary workers are worse off than 40 years ago. Try telling that to Bob Hawke and Paul Keating whose economic liberalisation laid the foundation for Australian household per capita incomes to grow, in real terms, by two-thirds since the 1990s, while barely increasing income inequality.

    Outrageous political lie

    To advance its absurd new class war, Mr Shorten and Labor have resorted to the outrageous political lie that a doctor on $200,000, earning five times the amount as a cleaner on $40,000, will get 16 times the tax cut. How unfair! In fact, the doctor who earns five times as much as the cleaner actually pays 13 times more tax than the cleaner. Labor resorts to fake news by repeating and repeating that they would pay the same tax rate under the Turnbull government’s tax scales to apply from 2024. Those scales would include a flat 32.5 per cent tax rate to apply every extra dollar earned between $40,000 and $200,000. But the $18,200 tax-free threshold means that the doctor would end up paying 30 per cent of total income in tax, while the cleaner would pay 11 per cent of total income in tax.

    In Parliament yesterday, Labor kept hammering example after example of workers earning around $45,000 who would get a tax cut of $10 per week, while a millionaire would get $7000 a year extra from an “arrogant and out of touch” government led by Mr Turnbull. In the world of modern Labor it isn’t good enough that poor people do better, but the wealthy should be taxed more and more through bracket creep in order to bend the world to fit its Green-left undergraduate-level preconceptions about equality and social cohesion.

    The outrageous lie here is that the Labor-Green snake oil of greater redistribution would end up hurting the less advantaged. Lower marginal tax rates, coupled with a removal of Australia’s penalty tax on company profits, would drive incentive, business investment, productivity, the tax base, jobs and wages.

    But Labor doesn’t believe in aspiration and doesn’t want Australians to keep more of their money. Instead, a Shorten Labor government would simply slow the whole place down, leaving less money for Labor monuments, lower incomes, and hurting the poorest that it claims to represent the most. Fairness will turn out to be least fair on those Labor claims need it the most.

  163. Snoopy

    But of course! It’s in their DNA.

    SOCIALIST ACTIVIST WHO HARASSED HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

    One of the activists who chased Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen out of a Mexican restaurant Tuesday night over the Trump administration’s immigration policies is an employee of the Department of Justice, The Daily Caller News Foundation has confirmed.

    Members of the Washington, D.C., chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America crashed Nielsen’s meal with a demonstration full of chants and other outbursts.

    One of those participants, Allison Hrabar, actually works for the Trump administration — as a paralegal in the DOJ.

  164. C.L.

    Maybe the Democrats should send Joe Biden down to the border to “comfort” the children.

  165. Mother Lode

    While the wickedness of Mao, Lenin and Stalin is unknown to these youthful idealists, they are well schooled about the wickedness of the extreme right:

    It doesn’t help that ‘right’ is essentially defined as ‘not left’ as in ‘not our kind of socialist’.

    It means fascists, conservatives and libertarians all get lumped together.

    The people who are calling for individual freedoms are considered to be trying to abolish freedoms (like the Nazis) and the best defence is to adopt socialism which has, in every instance, actually abolished freedoms.

  166. C.L.

    … Labor doesn’t believe in aspiration and doesn’t want Australians to keep more of their money

    Neither does the Liberal Party.

  167. Snoopy

    As Geraldo Rivera said today: when did Republicans become the party of child abuse?

    Outraged Democrats and Hollywood elites, “Not fair, that’s our patch.”

    LOL.

  168. You can smell the desperation of the Democrats and their allies. However, we will not be distracted.

  169. .

    One of the activists who chased Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen out of a Mexican restaurant Tuesday night over the Trump administration’s immigration policies is an employee of the Department of Justice, The Daily Caller News Foundation has confirmed.

    You would think an attorney at law or a Federal LEO would know better and act with propriety.

  170. Snoopy

    Infidel Tiger
    #2742829, posted on June 20, 2018 at 9:10 pm
    Nicholas Reece is what happens when Nemkat and Monty have a baby together.

  171. Snoopy

    If only there was some way to prevent illegal immigrants inadvertently putting their children in harm’s way.

  172. Rae

    You can smell the desperation of the Democrats and their allies. However, we will not be distracted.

    LOL. Who’s “we” pilgrim?

    Pope Francis … agreed with US Catholic bishops that separating children from their parents at the border was “immoral”.

    US Catholic bishops called the separation of children from their parents “contrary to our Catholic values”.

  173. Geriatric Mayfly

    Tax Bill back in the House. My goodness, Labor benches in a dreadful state of agitation.

  174. OldOzzie

    AGL’s own experts warned of looming gas shortage before controversial 2015 deal

    It beggars belief that AGL could plead any sort of ignorance as a defence in its bid to resist Federal Energy Minister Josh Freydenberg’s determined effort to make the gentailer the scapegoat in Australia’s energy wars.

    The AGL proposition, as reported in The Australian Financial Review on Monday, is that a decision made in December 2015 to sell $2 billion worth of gas to the Santos-operated liquid natural gas plant in Queensland was made to look “very poor” and “irresponsible” by a set of circumstances that were unpredictable and thus not anticipated.

    But the AGL executive and board need only to have read and understood a seminal 2014 study into the “cliff edge” state of NSW gas markets to appreciate that the profit-buttressing 2015 deal left the business exposed to greater risk of being short of gas.

    From an AGL perspective, this wasn’t just another paper that exposed the increasingly fragile state of east coast gas markets. It was authored by AGL’s then chief economist, Paul Simahauser, and its head of sustainability, Tim Nelson. It was published under the badge of the AGL Applied Economic and Policy Research. And it is still carried on the gentailer’s digital gateway for intelligence, the AGLblog (though under the less than inviting title of Working Paper No. 40). The real title of the work is “Solving for ‘x” – The New South Wales Gas Supply Cliff”. The “x” in this case refers to gas supply or, rather, the impending lack of it.

    Material’ shortages

    Among the many gems of foresight, the study noted: “In our base case scenario, the extent of shortages in NSW is very material. In all there are 118 days of energy shortages or ‘event days’ per annum with varying degrees of intensity. To be sure, these results are mild by comparison to the Independent Market Operator equivalent case.”

    After assessing that the “median shortage in NSW was 102 terajoules per day (TJ/d)”, the study warned: “The maximum shortage is 256TJ/d and under these conditions 39.7 per cent of the NSW market would be technically ‘unserved’.”

    AGL’s experts noted that this “cliff-edge” in contracted supply was not an event unique in NSW but warned that the resolution would not be as straightforward as it had been in the past.

    “… the combination of rapid LNG load growth in Queensland and more recent (and unexpected) supply-side development constraints in NSW has created uncertainty as to how the situation … will be resolved this time around.”

    “The problem that we identify is seasonal and spatial,” the study warned, before noting that the peak winter load of gas demand was 80 per cent higher than the summer load. “The issue facing policymakers is that even under ideal operating conditions, there is insufficient gas production, pipeline and storage capacity during the height of winter to meet system-wide peak gas demand, particularly during working weekdays when diurnal patterns reach their maximum.”

    Given those warnings and the fact that by the time the December 2015 deal with Santos rolled around AGL was but two months from pulling the pin on its supply-side safety net in NSW, the Gloucester coal seam gas project, it is just hard to fathom where on earth the company imagined it was going to get its gas from.

    A series of unfortunate events

    That a series of unfortunate events ended up making the gas market even tighter than AGL’s own experts had foreshadowed doesn’t make the original misjudgment any less forgivable. It is hard to deflect accusations of price gouging in gas and electricity markets when the decisions made by past and present management appear only to have added to price enhancing supply-side tension that their own people were illuminating for them.

    In the past, as on Monday, AGL has noted that the closure at short notice of Victoria’s Hazelwood generators changed everything given the gap it created in electricity supply has been filled partially by gas-fired alternatives.

    The reason this matters so much is that it changes the traditional seasonality of gas demand. We use electricity to run our air conditioners. Given more of that power comes now from gas-fired peaking power plants, we are using more gas in summer. AGL noted in Monday’s Financial Review that it has a winter-peak call on the gas it sells to exporters. But the switch in demand patterns leaves it now exposed to summer demand spikes.

    In Monday’s Financial Review the company also cited the sudden decline of Bass Strait production as a similarly unforeseeable event. Quite honestly it is hard to warrant how anyone in gas could claim ignorance of Bass Strait’s declining productivity. Sure, the detail offered by the market regulator back in 2017 was confronting. But all AEMO did was put numbers to what was common knowledge.

    But, either way, AGL’s own people were warning that contracted supply to NSW was about to fall off a cliff and that they could not quite see how the hole might be filled. So why surrender a source of a future pool of liquidity, particularly given that it appeared to have been gathered in the first place as a means of firming AGL’s capacity to service its own demands?

    The net result is that for the short-term gain that comes of selling $3 a gigajoule gas for a good deal more to a desperate gas freezer AGL has left itself vulnerable to the same loss of social licence that saw NSW lock the gate on coal seam gas.

    AGL vulnerable

    As the Financial Review’s Angela Macdonald-Smith reported on Wednesday, there is already talk that AGL’s yet-committed LNG regasification plant should be declared an open access facility and Minister Frydenberg and his state counterparts continue to hold the gun of regulation at the heads of AGL and its competing gentailers.

    For all that I have a good deal of sympathy for the difficult place that AGL finds itself in right now, it does no one any good to ignore history’s complications and or to misallocate its misjudgments.

    Having soiled its relationship with the federal government through a consistently botched engagement over plans to close the Liddell coal-fired power station and replace it with firming gas-fired capacity, AGL finds itself a tool of pre-election retail politics.

    It is with some good reason that AGL worries that Minister Frydenberg continues to name AGL as the single parent of a market failure that has many more fathers.

    In fact, the list of the guilty parties is long and AGL is one of the more incidental contributors to the mess we have.

    Others to blame

    The east coast market would be fully supplied if the governments that approved the machinery of gas exports that quadrupled the east coast gas market had then worked more actively and productively with the gas industry to garner some sort of community consensus that would have allowed the coal seam gas industry to migrate across the Queensland border into NSW.

    But top billing in this whole sorry saga just has to go to the gas producers whose guileless egotism delivered Gladstone with three separate liquid natural gas projects, one of which did not have gas enough to fill the second of its two production trains.

    Australia’s best manager of progress in LNG is Oil Search’s Peter Botten. He is as commercially savvy as he is politically adroit and has a wonderful ability to draw simplicity from complexity.

    And the folk who used to run Santos would have done well to heed his advice on the foundation stone of a successful LNG project. If you don’t have the gas to fill the machine, then don’t build it. But Santos built its second train because that was the only way to make an investment case. But it still hasn’t filled that train despite hoovering supplies from third-party suppliers that are expected to meet up to 40 per cent of the gas needs of the Santos joint venture over the next half a decade.

  175. .

    Pretty funny that the Greens (along with Pauline and David L) can take credit for passing tax cuts now.

  176. Bruce of Newcastle

    As Geraldo Rivera said today: when did Republicans become the party of child abuse?

    Here you go M0nty.

    From this story.

  177. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Tax Bill back in the House. My goodness, Labor benches in a dreadful state of agitation.

    Tax cuts are theft from the rightful owners… the government.

  178. C.L.

    Pope Francis … agreed with US Catholic bishops that separating children from their parents at the border was “immoral”.

    US Catholic bishops called the separation of children from their parents “contrary to our Catholic values”.

    By “at the border,” they mean caught committing a crime.
    No, incarcerated people should not have their children with them.
    No country in the world does that or allows it.
    If you’re jailed at the Vatican (yes, it has a jail), you can’t bring your children.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Ha, ha.
    I googled Peter Fonda.
    One movie in the 1960’s which did OK, then a smattering of cameos and bombs over 30 years.
    Nothing this century.
    Now he is apologising on Twatter for having wasted his lifd.
    Sad.

  180. candy

    Those scales would include a flat 32.5 per cent tax rate to apply every extra dollar earned between $40,000 and $200,000. But the $18,200 tax-free threshold means that the doctor would end up paying 30 per cent of total income in tax, while the cleaner would pay 11 per cent of total income in tax.

    Low wages, stagnant wages and high energy and accommodation bills make this argument a bit silly. I don’t think people begrudge a doctor who has spent many years in training and works long hours earning $200,000.
    But for many it’s not an easy thing to live on $50,000, reduced to $40,000 after tax.
    We can’t all be doctors and must settle for minor roles in life. Aspiration is one thing, but a person needs the education/personal development/IQ from which to aspire.
    But I would say living on $40,000 is not easy in 2018.

  181. C.L.

    Interesting interview I saw yesterday of a border agent saying underage girls are being found at the border with emergency contraception because their parents expect them to be r-aped by other “immigrants”. They send them anyway because they want to rock up later and get citizenship. These people are scum. Some of these children are safe for the first time in their lives when they’re separated from their deadbeat criminal parents.

  182. Baldrick

    As Geraldo Rivera said today: when did Republicans become the party of child abuse?

    Here’s an easy to understand diagram about child separation at the border.

  183. By “at the border,” they mean caught committing a crime.
    No, incarcerated people should not have their children with them.
    No country in the world does that or allows it.
    If you’re jailed at the Vatican (yes, it has a jail), you can’t bring your children.

    Indeed. We will not be distracted.

  184. C.L.

    The same border agent said he recently dealt personally with a four year-old girl found wandering around with a phone number inked on her shirt. Under Obama: parents are phoned, arrive for child, given citizenship. Under Trump: child abuse victim kept separate from monstrous, evil parents.

  185. Snoopy

    I can remember when Leftists were outraged by Trump signing Executive Orders relating to immigration. Where’s the Hawaii Attorney General?

  186. C.L.

    We will not be distracted.

    Indeed.
    The Wussia conspirators are now literally being frog-marched out of buildings and perp-walked.
    Trump won.

  187. Andreas

    It’s like Gillian Triggs and Twitter magically suddenly discovering children in detention on the election of the Abbott government.

  188. candy

    Obama got into strife with deterrent policies too, threatening deportations and separations. I think he tried and gave up. It would not get much media attention, because Obama.

    I reckon Trump has had to do the same. He’s done the right thing.

  189. calli

    Snoopy

    #2743139, posted on June 21, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Peter who?
    Is he Jane’s husband?

    Easy Rider, young Padawan

    Son of Easy Rider.

    Generational fame.

  190. Gab

    If Peter Whatshisname was tweeting that about Obama and his daughters, he’d be in jail by now.

  191. .

    candy
    #2743165, posted on June 21, 2018 at 9:44 am

    You’re right candy.

    The envy argument is really an argument for bigger government that the low skilled (private sector) often don’t buy into, likely it is pushed by middle-class public servants and academics (public sector).

    People on low wages want to pay less tax and be better off, not be worse off as long as doctors pay higher nominal rates and the Federal Public Service can grow forever.

  192. Snoopy

    Easy Rider, young Padawan

    Son of Easy Rider.

    Generational fame.

    Wait! What! My humblest apologies, LiLo.

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    … the professors ponder how thinking like a fish might enlighten them on their path to a deeper understanding of modern feminism.

    To catch one, you have to think like one. Has absolutely nothing to do with a misbegotten species like feral feminists.

  194. Rae

    Son of Easy Rider.

    Nope. Easy Rider. Co-starred with Dennis Hopper.

    [Trying to be one of the boys is not easy for you, huh?]

  195. Baldrick

    Wait for it …

    Ninth Circuit Court Judge wants to overturn Trump’s executive order on immigration to end the separation of immigrant families at the US-Mexico border.

  196. calli

    Oh, I am wrong. It’s the elderly Peter Fonda, the Easy Rider.

    Poor man. Perhaps he can be struck off Twitter for his own mental health.

  197. candy

    Also the threats to Mrs Trump and the boy might have helped him decide the deterrence policy in this case is not correct. Putting it all together, don’t pursue the family separation angle. Seems a good decision, in my opinion.

  198. .

    Rae
    #2743181, posted on June 21, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Son of Easy Rider.

    Nope. Easy Rider. Co-starred with Dennis Hopper.

    [Trying to be one of the boys is not easy for you, huh?]

    It is harder for you to stop Federal investigators from coaxing Precious away from your confused, sultry and paternal gaze.

  199. OldOzzie

    Trump orders Sessions to challenge the ‘Flores’ family-immigration policy in court

    Part of President Trump’s new executive order on family separations includes a directive to Attorney General Jeff Sessions to go back to court and try to change the 2015 ruling that created the family “loophole” that’s distorted the immigration system.

    While Mr. Trump has blamed “Democrats’ law” for requiring the separations, the bigger cause of the dilemma the president faces is the Flores settlement, a court agreement reached in 1997 and updated in 2015, which lays out high standards for how the government must treat illegal immigrant children.

    Originally the settlement only applied to children who came to the U.S. alone, without parents. But in 2015 Judge Dolly M. Gee ruled that even children who came to the border with parents should be protected.

    That means the children must be quickly released from custody — Judge Gee said in the case of those who came as families, within about 20 days. And since the children are generally to be released to parents, it means the government has to free them, too, so that it can release the children to them.

    Mr. Trump ordered Mr. Sessions to “promptly file a request … to modify” the agreement.

    He said the order should allow the government “to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.”

    Mr. Sessions will likely have an uphill battle.

  200. calli

    Lol. The ever-vigilant Eye of Sauron skewered me in it’s baleful gaze.

    How horrid! 😄

  201. Rae

    … the professors ponder how thinking like a fish might enlighten them on their path to a deeper understanding

    Like a fish. Like a lobster. Same, same. The gospel according to Jordan Peterson.

  202. Dr Faustus

    Voters prefer Shorten’s tax plan to Turnbull’s – Guardian Essential poll

    The poll also shows a positive shift by voters in favour of Bill Shorten’s alternative proposal to almost double the tax cut for low and middle income earners and impose higher tax rates on the top income earners.

    Q: Would you like the Government to make someone else give you some of their money?
    A: Yes.

  203. Snoopy

    If Peter Whatshisname was tweeting that about Obama and his daughters, he’d be in jail by now.

    At the very least his home address would be all over social media and a howling mob would be breaking down his front gate.

  204. Baldrick

    You’re 100% correct calli. It’s the Cat’s resident Wronologist Troll that’s wrong, again.

  205. lotocoti

    I’m surprised anyone is still surprised by the dishonesty of our progressive friends.

  206. None

    I never thought I’d see that sort of editorial in the AFR. Thanks for posting it, oldOzzie.

  207. Snoopy

    Putting it all together, don’t pursue the family separation angle. Seems a good decision, in my opinion.

    Also jailing a criminal’s spouse and sprogs does have some appeal.

  208. calli

    Henry Fonda’s children are Jane and Peter. I thought Peter (who has two children too) had a junior Peter, like the Donald has a junior Donald.

    It amazed me that such an old man would tweet something so evil about a little boy. I was wrong. And quite happy to admit it.

  209. Under Trump: child abuse victim kept separate from monstrous, evil parents.

    Would you say that the parents are demons to be exorcised, CL, or merely vermin to be exterminated? Either way, it makes it much easier for you to pretend they are not human.

  210. hzhousewife

    f/book here. Someone mentioned Ascot the other day. Customer just showed me on her phone her son and his wife pics from the Royal Enclosure, Queen’s carriage passing by. Son said the food and cocktails were sensational, experience of a lifetime. Balmy 25 degrees, they said G’day to Harry and Meghan (literally).

  211. Old School Conservative

    candy
    #2743186, posted on June 21, 2018 at 10:05 am
    Also the threats to Mrs Trump and the boy might have helped him decide the deterrence policy in this case is not correct

    Wonderful. Democracy in action. Threaten to have the President’s son raped and laws will be changed.
    (sarcasm off)

  212. Rae

    Wronologist

    LOL

    Somebody must have sprayed the roach. It seems a bit groggy.

  213. Roger

    Q: Would you like the Government to make someone else give you some of their money?
    A: Yes.

    A tax policy first mooted by de Tocqueville, who noted it was the end point of democracy.

  214. Leo G

    Marc Thiessen: The overlooked bombshell of the IG report | Fox News | 1 hour ago

    Many Democrats blame Comey’s July 2016 statement for causing Clinton irreparable harm in the election. But we now know Clinton’s actions were worse than what Comey presented to the American people. Just imagine if his statement had been full and complete.

    How obvious now, are the coordinated efforts, by the DoJ, FBI, CIA, Democratic Party officials and the media to defeat any attempt by the incoming Trump administration to deal with the criminal extent of government agency partisanship that developed under Obama.

  215. .

    David L makes another cracking speech…to a near empty Senate chamber.

    Senator Leyonhjelm slams the Greens Murray Darling disallowance

    South Australian politicians who don’t know the difference between the Darling and Murray rivers, and who can’t explain why the Lower Lakes should remain fresh or why the Coorong is dying, are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution.

  216. hzhousewife

    Ran into lady who is office staff for my local NSW member. Told her to tell him that the government needs to act more like good parents who restrict their children to teach them constraint where money is concerned and that it is a very bad policy to give free stuff (eg baby bundles) because everyone then expects free stuff all the time, the people without babies whinge, it’s never ending. Should be stopped. They should be encouraging self-reliance not giving sit-down money. She said she’d pass it on.

  217. Mother Lode

    Josh Freydenberg’s determined effort to make the gentailer the scapegoat in Australia’s energy wars.

    Stupid Friedeggburger can’t spell ‘genitalia’.

  218. OldOzzie

    German Car Makers Call on EU to Scrap Auto Tariffs to Preserve Access to U.S. Market

    Germany’s leading car manufacturers have called on the European Union (EU) to scrap its import tariffs on U.S. cars, which are far higher than those imposed on European cars entering America.

  219. egg_

    “honestly, this aspiration term, it mystifies me”.

    Cop that, Working Class plebs.

  220. egg_

    Germany’s leading car manufacturers have called on the European Union (EU) to scrap its import tariffs on U.S. cars, which are far higher than those imposed on European cars entering America.

    Oz designed Camaros would blow the doors off Euro marques.

  221. Snoopy

    Has Monty declared the IG report to be a nothingburger since its release? If not, why not?

  222. egg_

    http://www.neonnettle.com/features/1398-fbi-agent-who-exposed-hillary-clinton-s-cover-up-found-dead

    Raynor’s tragic death comes just one day before he was due to testify before a US Federal Grand Jury.

    Killary strikes again.

  223. Bruce of Newcastle

    Stay classy M0nty. You never seem to mention children in the womb or in Tennant Creek.
    Why is that? Planned Parenthood got your tongue?

  224. Snoopy

    Has Monty declared IG Horowitz’s testimony before Congress to be a nothingburger? If not, why not?

  225. Roger

    “honestly, this aspiration term, it mystifies me”.

    Plibers understands Labor’s existence is prefaced on a permanently aggrieved underclass whose resentment can be exploited for electoral success. Labor’s aspirationals pivot off their misery into well paid, publicly funded positions.

  226. OldOzzie

    FOREIGN AFFAIRS
    Liberals split on membership of UN Human Rights Council

    Liberal conservatives are divided over whether Australia should stay in the UN Human Rights Council after the US yesterday withdrew, with Liberal senator James Paterson declaring the country must remain as a “night watchman” against “anti-Israel bias”.

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said the US move was a disappointment and revealed Canberra had unsuccessfully lobbied senior Trump administration officials for the US to remain as a member.

    “It was our strong preference for the US to remain a member of the UNHRC and I had made this known to senior members of the Trump administration,” Ms ­Bishop said.

    Announcing the withdrawal, US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley said the council made “a mockery of human rights” by ­allowing ­authoritarian states such as China to join.

    “Look at the council membership and you see an appalling disrespect for the most basic rights,” Ms Haley said, pointing to council members including China, Cuba, Venezuela and Democratic Republic of Congo.

    “For too long, the Human Rights Council has been a protector of human rights abusers, and a cesspool of political bias.”


    GRAPHIC: The UN Human Rights Council

    The announcement came after the top UN human rights official, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, criticised Washington for separating ­migrant children from their parents who are seeking asylum after crossing into the country from Mexico.

    The Trump administration has previously threatened to pull out of the council because of “chronic anti-Israel bias” and the US boycotted the council for three years under ­George W. Bush.

    Australia campaigned for two years to win a seat on the council, expiring at the end of 2020.

    The Australian Jewish Association yesterday called on the ­Coalition to follow the US.

    “This should be a simple case of doing what is right and we call on Australia to join with our major ally the US and take a stand on principle and also announce withdrawal from the UNHRC,” AJA president David Adler said.

    Ms Bishop said Australia was also worried about the anti-Israel tilt of the council, which recently launched an investigation into protests in Gaza during which ­Israeli troops shot dead at least 132 Palestinians.

    “Australia shares many of the concerns held by the US about the UNHRC, particularly its anti-­Israel bias, and we have consistently supported efforts to address other matters of contention,” she said. “(But) we are committed to … effective and meaningful ­reform to enable the council to more ­effectively carry out its role.”

    Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who former prime minister Tony ­Abbott has recently backed as a “good and vocal advocate” of conservative positions, said Australia should pull out of the council.

    “Without the USA in, I’d question our value of continuing — but (I’d) also note, we don’t need to be in the UNHRC to take a strong stance on human rights issues around the world,” Mr Kelly told The Australian.

    He said the council housed a host of dictators and despots from the most repressive regimes in world. “In fact the membership of the UNHRC has given legitimacy to numerous repressive regimes — the very antithesis of what supporting human rights should be about.”

    Tasmanian senator Eric Abetz lauded the US decision but said Australia should not follow yet.

    “We should watch, wait and see. If the council doesn’t reform itself following the US departure, we should similarly follow suit. I am hopeful though that it won’t come to that,” Senator Abetz told The Australian.

    Senator Paterson, a strong supporter of Israel, said it was now even more important Australia remained on the UNHRC.

    “Australia’s place on the Human Rights Council is in some ways now more important than ever,” he said. “We will have to be the night watchman to call out the frequent hypocrisy and misplaced priorities of the council, especially its anti-Israel bias.”

    From the Comments

    Before I make my judgement, please tell me how much it costs the Australian taxpayer, including the DFAT staff working permanently on Council business. Presumably the US will no longer pay, so this increase is factored in.

    Please also make an allowance for Julie Bishop’s frequent trips to the UN, and the costs of her accompanying partner.

    – Poor logic there. Staying to observe and report on the “cesspool” of hypocrisy gives it the credibility it does not deserve.

    Let the Chinese and the Venezuelans argue about human rights in their little closed room.

    = Bishop and Turnbull are yet again on the wrong course. They are so far left they are about to fall over.

    Bishop go away !! under Turnbull you have become the worst foreign minister for many many years

    You are a Green at Heart just like the backstabbing Turnbull

    SHAME ON YOU

  227. Trump’s personal bagman, who pays off the floozies he cheats on his wife with from a slush fund of corporate bribe money, delivers the finest comedy of 2018.

    Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime confidant and former personal attorney, has resigned from his post as deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee’s Finance Committee, sources close to the RNC told ABC News.

    In his resignation letter to Ronna McDaniel, the RNC chair, Cohen cited the ongoing special counsel investigation as one reason for his departure. ABC News has reviewed the email.

    “This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he wrote.

    Cohen also criticized the administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border, the first time he’s distanced himself from the president.

    “As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips.”

  228. OneWorldGovernment

    Do you think Peter Fonda, Rachel Maddow, Laura Bush, etc and the rest of the poseurs will be holding and attending nightly vigils in Chicago and all the other American cities where it is full on murder of African Americans by African Americans?

  229. C.L.

    Monty, should defendents on remand in Australia be able to live with their children in gaol?
    If not, why not?

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