Western civilisation and Donald Trump

The ad is PDT’s last before the election in 2016. At the time he spoke these words, few people understood how true they were. Now there can be no doubt. This was brought to mind by this picked up at Andrew Bolt: SPECCIE OUT NOW. TRUMP THE SAVIOUR.

Mark Latham says Donald Trump is now the hope of Western civilisation:

Trump believes in the supremacy of the individual, in judging people on merit, by their work ethic and creativity, rather than race, gender and sexuality. These are the essential elements of civilisational leadership. Trump stands for the freedom of the citizen in the nation state. That is, the right to free speech, to meritocracy, to national pride and a freestanding national culture. The key political divide is no longer between Left and Right; it’s between civilisational and non-civilisational leaders. Trump is on the right side of history, with domestic ascendancy seemingly assured. He now needs to turn his mind to an even greater challenge, promulgating a Trump doctrine: a new brand of American global leadership based on the defence of Western civilisation.

Every generation must defend itself and its past. That means you, because there is no one else to do it.

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103 Responses to Western civilisation and Donald Trump

  1. mh

    George Soros @ 0:20 in that vid.

    We need to remember that the Australian arm of the Soros network is GetUp.

  2. Seems extraordinary, doesn’t it? But clearly the USA, and the West, needed an “anti-politician”, a non-conformist leader who could upend the political and diplomatic processes to re-establish some sort of accountability to the essential values and beliefs of our culture.

  3. Ubique

    We’ll need more than President Trump’s eight years in the White House. I’m sure he’s already thinking about who might be able to carry on his good work.

  4. Egor

    No, no…Trump’s awful because he imposes tariffs on Chinese steel shuffled through Canada. The survival of the West is but nothing compared to the mention of tariffs.

  5. Rossini

    JC is correct………Trump is GOD

  6. Dr Fred Lenin

    The more you hear and see of Trump ,the worse the alternative becomes who in their right mind would vote for the very badly flawed clinton woman ? He is sorting out the FBI, CIA and DOJ ,exposing the communists ensconced there ,he has a major job destroying these cretins but he is just the man to do it . Just waiting for him to screw soros(_schwartz)_ the get up financier scum .

  7. RobK

    Well said Mr Latham and Mr Kates.
    Thank you.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, this morning’s Outsiders on Sky showed just how much the Gramsci education system has got its teeth into the young millennials of today. A millennial socialist showed herself to be not unintelligent but completely trapped into the mindset of the extreme left, spouting all of the tired old talking points and having absolutely no idea of history, of the perils of central planning as demonstrated there, and full of idealism about some abstract ‘socialism’ and the constant and ready availability of other people’s money to solve all of the problems she sees as pressing: homophobia, refugees (let ’em all in), and the Big One – Climate Change.

    Climate Change in this contemporary iteration of old-style communism now takes the place of Capitalism as the driving force for necessity, even more than Marx placed history as the driver.

    I am reminded of that part of Amor Towles’ novel “A Gentleman in Moscow” when exactly such a sweet, female hopeful product of the Soviet indoctrination marched across the Bolshoi square to catch the train, as Towles savagely puts, it ‘to historical necessity’: the implementation of the destruction of the Kulaks and the great famine caused by that ‘plan’.

    The lass on Outsiders will march along with 56% of the millennials to the rousing ideal of ‘saving the planet’ for socialism and industrial ‘transformation’. Same diff. Same result too.

  9. You can see why the Left and many so-called conservative career politicians hate Trump, he’s revealed to all how corrupt and self-serving politicians and the ‘elite’ have become. I don’t think Americans really appreciated how poorly they have been treated over the last few decades and they are now awaking as the mists of deception clear.

    No matter what happens in 2020, the Left have lost their high ground and advantage, and the tide of war is irrevocably turning against them. What Trump needs to achieve is to either get rid of, or convert, those Republicans that are against Americans, and the fate of the Left and the success of the US will be ensured for at least a few more decades.

  10. The lass on Outsiders will march along with 56% of the millennials to the rousing ideal of ‘saving the planet’ for socialism and industrial ‘transformation’. Same diff. Same result too.

    I think, hope, that the saving grace will be the current generation (Generation Z) who appears to be diametrically opposite of the millenials. From everything I’ve read, Gen Z are as conservative as their grandparents and great-grandparents, and they are now at, or coming into, voting age.

    We still have hope.

  11. Tom

    The Marxist establishment’s most potent weapon is its false propaganda that its campaign to destroy capitalism will not destroy our system of wealth creation that gives us the living standards we enjoy. Twentyfirst century Marxism aims to destroy everything in the West that still stands in defiance of the Marxist onslaught — enabled by brainwashed millennials who believe the proletariat must be liberated from personal freedom.

  12. Entropy

    I think it is depressing that such a flawed individual is seen as the only hope for rebalance. He is like the Mule in the Foundation series. Something the rules can’t account for.

    Yet there it is. We on the other hand are overrun by Bishops, Pyrnes, Turnbulls, shortens, albosleezys and that member for Griffith whose name fortunately escapes me.

  13. Confused Old Misfit

    I read earlier today, but of course I can’t find the reference again, that there are more firearms in civilian hands in the USA than there are in all of their armed forces, police forces and other government agencies combined.
    I am very much afraid that there will be blood on the streets before this is settled.
    Aux les barricades mon amis!

  14. such a flawed individual

    Would you mind explaining why you consider Trump to be a flawed individual?

  15. littledozer

    such a flawed individual

    Why does this matter?

    The problem with so called conservative politicians is eventually they buckle under pressure.

    Is it not a virtue that Trump can take the most sustained media attack in our life time, and the antics of the deep state and keep to his promises i.e. not compromise to take an easier path?

  16. there are more firearms in civilian hands in the USA than there are in all of their armed forces

    Likely true, but it needs to be taken in context. Firstly, there are the legitimate firearms owners and many citizens own more than one firearm. Then there are the criminals and many own more than one firearm.

    But who knows, maybe one day there will be another American Civil War, once again Democrats against Republicans, fighting over exactly the same issues. History always seems to repeat itself.

  17. egg_

    Mark Latham says Donald Trump is now the hope of Western civilisation

    That’s mud in Aunty’s eye.

  18. egg_

    The more you hear and see of Trump ,the worse the alternative becomes

    Even Shorten tried to capture his Nationalist spirit, however briefly.

  19. Tom

    I think it is depressing that such a flawed individual is seen as the only hope for rebalance.

    I think you need to explain that, Entropy.

    If you don’t like alpha-males, say so. If you don’t like billionaires, say so.

    But please don’t remasticate the lefty dementia that you don’t like the way he behaves.

    The way he behaves in relation to what he is upending is a major part of his appeal for me.

  20. Confused Old Misfit

    We on the other hand are overrun by Bishops, Pyrnes, Turnbulls, shortens, albosleezys and that member for Griffith whose name fortunately escapes me.

    And you have reached this state because you’re cut from the same cloth as the Bishops, Pyrnes, Turnbulls, shortens, albosleezys, etc.

  21. Peter Campion

    I read earlier today, but of course I can’t find the reference again, that there are more firearms in civilian hands in the USA than there are in all of their armed forces, police forces and other government agencies combined.

    http://freebeacon.com/culture/report-nearly-400-million-civilian-owned-guns-america/

  22. .

    I read earlier today, but of course I can’t find the reference again, that there are more firearms in civilian hands in the USA than there are in all of their armed forces, police forces and other government agencies combined.

    Good.

    Sometimes, that is necessary:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

  23. Confused Old Misfit

    Thanks Peter! Have saved it where I won’t be able to remember where it is the next time I want it! 😉

  24. Confused Old Misfit

    bemused
    #2746136, posted on June 24, 2018 at 5:27 pm
    …Likely true, but it needs to be taken in context.

    Consider as well the requirement for ammunition. There were reports of huge amounts being sold to both government agencies and the general public during the Obama years.
    As to the number of firearms owned/citizen there would likely be willing hands to wield any surplus. On both sides of les barricades.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    I watched Outsiders this morning and I saw the little Marxist gender bending trollop sprout her pathetic crap. She parroted the usual Marxist socialist garbage. She referred to Israel as a genocidal state set up on “stolen land”. I laughed at her pathetic racism and at her pathetic ignorance of history. I also laughed heartily because this piece of socialist garbage was so obviously brought up in an inner city middle class home. She didn’t grow up in Mt Druitt or any of the many “working class” suburbs of our sprawling cities. I thought that Rowan, Ross and Tom should have been more combative against her racist and stupid garbage. As far as I am concerned, despite her youth and her fey demeanour, this nasty socialist grub oozed repressed violence and let me say categorically that if she and her socialist unity scummy friends were given any power in this country then violence and starvation would quickly ensue. As we know, violence and starvation are the inevitable consequence of a socialist system. The only satisfaction is that, as in all revolutions, whilst we might go first, I can guarantee that she and her grubby comrades will end up against a wall too.

  26. Tim Neilson

    Confused Old Misfit
    #2746194, posted on June 24, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    I’m not so sure what the outcome would be if a new civil war looked like starting.

    The “progressives” think that guns are evilsatan666, so there may not be a strong civilian “progressive” militia capable of being formed (unless the crime gangs line up with their natural allies the Democrats).

    And query whether the armed forces or even the police would really take the side of the deep state? That may depend on just how stark the issues are, but remember the armed forces overwhelmingly vote Republican (and probably aren’t largely at the squishy end of the GOP spectrum). The “progressives” would have to get the violence started at a time when they could still claim plausibly that preserving the USA meant lining up with the deep state.

    If the deep state overplay their hand they might find that the armed forces won’t just mindlessly obey orders to kill American civilian patriots. It may be a bit like the pre-WWI attempt by the UK government to get the British army to crush the Ulster Loyalists.

    And if that happens it could be almost a bloodless restoration of Constitutional limited government, like the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

    Of course that’s a highly optimistic scenario. I don’t underestimate the capacity of the “progressives” to cause destruction and misery.

  27. egg_

    this nasty socialist grub oozed repressed violence

    To be “progressive’ means to be unhappy with the status quo/to want change… in/of others.

    That Trumps is draining the swamp of such ingrates will cause major upheaval.

  28. egg_

    What did tokenistic Obama achieve other than give a few black actors “magic Negro” status in a few lame, embarrassing movies?
    Where are they now?

  29. max

    “Bottom-Up Social Transformation
    Social change is going to come from the bottom up. This transformation is consistent with the teachings of the major religions of the world. It is certainly consistent with the free market political philosophy of Adam Smith and the Scottish Enlightenment. It is equally consistent with Edmund Burke’s anti-revolutionary philosophy, which undergirded European conservatism in the 19th century.

    When the nation-state’s money runs out, the grand experiment will be over. Really, it ended on December 25, 1991. But it lingers in the background. People with grandiose schemes of top-down political transformation are articulating a pre-Internet worldview of centralization.

    First, Ideological Change; Second, Social Change
    Moral reform is above all self-reform. If it is not grounded in a call for self-reform, it is just one more call for a transfer of power to a new group of power-seekers.”

  30. Leo G

    Lexington Virginia militants are not known for good marksmanship.
    The owner of the Red (sic) Hen Restaurant said that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu and that was why she decided to ask Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave after the White House Press Secretary arrived with her husband and six other guests after having made a reservation in her husband’s name.

    By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
    Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
    Here once the embattled farmers stood
    And fired the shot heard round the world.

    Spirit, that made those heroes dare
    To die, and leave their children free,
    Bid Time and Nature gently spare
    The shaft we raise to them and thee.

  31. manalive

    It’s depressing that in his terrific Reflections on a Ravaged Century (published 2000) historian Robert Conquest in the latter chapters eloquently examines every familiar issue of concern then and still, and if anything worse today.

  32. egg_

    The owner of the Red (sic) Hen Restaurant said that her restaurant… had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu

    Bullsh1t!

  33. areff

    I’m not so sure what the outcome would be if a new civil war looked like starting.

    The left will get increasingly demonstrative, so we’ll have more of the Milo riots, ACL harassment, Islamic rioters, as we’re already seeing. The right responds in kind and the State, which happens to be already left everywhere you turn, then steps in with greater controls and penalties, which we also are already seeing, to preserve order and public safety.

    End result: the left wins.

    It’s happening as I type.

  34. .

    That is one of the best political ads I have ever seen.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “End result: the left wins”. Yes, probably so here in Australia. Not sure about the USA though. In flyover country, all those deplorable racists, homophobes, islamophobes and xenophobes who are actually just God fearing, patriotic, hard working Americans have guns, lots of guns and they will not hesitate to use them.

  36. Crossie

    The lass on Outsiders will march along with 56% of the millennials to the rousing ideal of ‘saving the planet’ for socialism and industrial ‘transformation’. Same diff. Same result too.

    Lizzie, she is merely the product, the university professors and the media are the manufacturers. What we need to do is put a spanner in the works but I am at a loss as to how since our supposedly conservative politicians are in league with the manufacturers. Voting will do nothing to change the status quo.

  37. anonandon

    The American people might have saved western civilisation by their actions in 2016. Let’s hope so.

  38. Mark A

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2746267, posted on June 24, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    “End result: the left wins”. Yes, probably so here in Australia. Not sure about the USA though. In flyover country, all those deplorable racists, homophobes, islamophobes and xenophobes who are actually just God fearing, patriotic, hard working Americans have guns, lots of guns and they will not hesitate to use them.

    Sheer numbers will overwhelm them.
    Those states are underpopulated compared to New York or California.

  39. hzhousewife

    The owner of the Red (sic) Hen Restaurant said that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu and that was why she decided to ask Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave after the White House Press Secretary arrived with her husband and six other guests after having made a reservation in her husband’s name.

    I must be on another planet. The owner surely decided to change tack and put politics front and centre on her menu (after a delay of ten years) by asking SHS and friends to leave the Red Hen. What am I missing here?
    I didn’t even realise that restaurants had politics( well, other than financial politics ie poor people can’t afford to go to ones that charge an awful lot of money).

  40. Confused Old Misfit

    Those states are underpopulated compared to New York or California.

    But politically they are not monolithic. Example: California voting on splitting into 3 parts. New York – there is a difference between upstate and NYC.
    The numbers won’t matter much. It will come down to who can improvise a functioning command & control system.
    The hands on tradie/techs will be better at that than the soyboy keyboard warriors.

  41. A Lurker

    I think, hope, that the saving grace will be the current generation (Generation Z) who appears to be diametrically opposite of the millenials. From everything I’ve read, Gen Z are as conservative as their grandparents and great-grandparents, and they are now at, or coming into, voting age.

    We are in the Fourth Turning.
    Generation Z will be the next Hero generation.

  42. JohnL

    PDT is our last chance to save the Western civilization and world as we know it. If he fails, or is made to fail or is assassinated the Western civilization as we know it will cease to exist because there is no one else on the horizon who could do it. He may not be perfect in every respect but the next best leader of Western civilization has not been born yet.
    This is our “Gates of Viena moment and he is our Polish King Jan III Sobieski, who, and his “winged hussars, on 12 September 1683 completely annihilated forces of Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha and thus stopped the spread of Islam to Western Europe.
    Yes, they run like scalded cats, the great Islam warriors who were only good at slashing the throats of defenceless children, and left behind a large amount of loot from the Ottoman army, which Sobieski vividly described in a letter to his wife a few days after the battle:

    “Ours are treasures unheard of . . . tents, sheep, cattle and no small number of camels . . . it is the victory as nobody ever knew before, the enemy now completely ruined, everything lost for them. They must run for their sheer lives…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
    And they are at it again, the great warrior of Islam – “the religion of peace”. And our “elite” leaders are happy to let them do it.
    P.S. – Please note the date – 9/11! That second 9/11 is the Muslim’s revenge for the “Gates of Viena”.

  43. Cassie of Sydney

    The numbers won’t matter much. It will come down to who can improvise a functioning command & control system.
    The hands on tradie/techs will be better at that than the soyboy keyboard warriors

    Yep, I have no doubt that the gun toting deplorable from Indiana or Kansas will deal very effectively with the soyboy, vegan, gender diverse, virtue signalling Google employees of the world.

  44. JamesS

    Rather than the outcome being a new American civil war, perhaps the famous political couple that signed up to NAFTA thereby gutting US manufacturing will meet their own Caeusescu moment. For that and all the creepy shit they are involved in. Weiner, Weinstein and Epstein – and the rest. Donna Brazille apparently discussed Seth Rich in her book.

    So much false advertising in politics, the Democrats and Labor representing the blue collar, working class. Piffle. Trump has stolen their base masterfully, great to watch.

  45. Zatara

    Sheer numbers will overwhelm them.
    Those states are underpopulated compared to New York or California.

    Registered hunters in the US make up the largest armed force in the world today and they don’t live in Manhattan or San Francisco. High capacity magazines and heaps of ammo work wonders on sheer numbers. As do marksmen (hunters) with long range rifles as compared to gang bangers with handguns.

    The left hold the big cities where their welfare base lives and that welfare base is showing signs of being restless on the plantation. They tend to congregate on the east and west coasts. However, even in California or New York one doesn’t wear a pussy hat outside of those enclaves if they value their safety.

    As underpopulated as the rural areas may seem, the population there is massively more trained, armed and munitioned than the effete coastal crowd. When it comes to feeding and sustaining themselves it’s obvious where the advantage lies.

    Due to posse comitatus the US military is highly likely to sit this one out for the most part. Focusing on external threats while the people sort out the internal ones.

    So what’s going to happen? Dunno but if the left think they have the upper hand in case things go kinetic they are very badly mistaken.

  46. Rob MW

    The key political divide is no longer between Left and Right; it’s between civilisational and non-civilisational leaders.

    The non-civilizational leader heavily relies on the echoing homecoming and acoustics of a cave, the problem is, caves are full of batshit and even the most ultraistic batshit devotee knows that, in the end, batshit has no commercial value either as a standard of forbearance or a salable quality for enforced poverty.

  47. Crossie

    I must be on another planet. The owner surely decided to change tack and put politics front and centre on her menu (after a delay of ten years) by asking SHS and friends to leave the Red Hen. What am I missing here?
    I didn’t even realise that restaurants had politics( well, other than financial politics ie poor people can’t afford to go to ones that charge an awful lot of money).

    The Left are hellbent on dividing the US but have no idea what comes after.

  48. John Constantine

    Once there is an end to cash, and the State controls all digital currency transfers, any desperate clinging deniers of socialism will simply have their bank accounts frozen and have to exist in a hunter/gatherer economy.

    An area can be returned to the Stone Age by turning off mobile phones and digital currency and grid power, all the old/baby/medical condition rebels die early on and the rest are hunted from the air by drones.

    The State promises the teenage daughters of all rebels they will get their mobile phones and tap and go cards back, plus bonus free airtime and credit, and all they have to do is inform on racist rebel reactionary daddy.

    Comrades.

  49. BorisG

    If he fails, or is made to fail or is assassinated the Western civilization as we know it will cease to exist because there is no one else on the horizon who could do it.

    That is utter bullshit. Trump for better or worse has demonstrated that the left dogmas can be challenged successfully, and also showed that many many people support this. He has inspired a lot of followers and if he dies tomorrow (he is not a young man) others will take his place. Even more so if he is assassinated.

    Surely it will be a different story if he is found to have seriously violated the law or if he simply loses the next election. But regardless he has shown that this is doable, and this wildfire will be hard to extinguish.

    Just look at new governments in Italy and Austria.

  50. BorisG

    Latham is a student of Whitlam. What a transformation!

  51. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2746354, posted on June 25, 2018 at 1:58 am

    But regardless he has shown that this is doable, and this wildfire will be hard to extinguish.

    Not necessarily, it was Hilary Clinton’s candidacy that made it possible.
    I don’t believe, that had the Dems. had a candidate of the like of Cruz that Trump would’ve won.

  52. struth

    I’m not disagreeing with you MarkA.
    It well could be the case.
    However his support soared from the second he took on the media and Kelly with the comeback about not hating woman, just Rosanne ( or something to that affect)
    The people who had too much media bullshit shoved down their throats for years, getting more and more left wing and insanely politically correct screamed with delight.
    It tells me the people were sick of it and Trump had confronted it.
    The media, like Hillary were corrupt and had control of the narrative.
    I don’t think it was just Hillary they saw as their corrupt enemy.

  53. JohnL

    He has inspired a lot of followers and if he dies tomorrow (he is not a young man) others will take his place.

    “Others” is plural – more that one person.
    Bory Boris, could you please name at least one person from your group of “others” that could take PDT place?
    Followers are not leaders!
    Leaders don’t follow, they blaze they own path!

  54. Robyn Todhunter

    Where’s Australia’s Trump?

    US PRESIDENT Donald Trump has sharpened his call to deport people who enter the United States illegally, saying they should immediately be sent back to where they came from without any judicial process.

    Mr Trump tweeted his hard line views on Sunday morning, calling for “strength and security” at the US border, and stating unequivocally that there is a link between illegal immigrants and crime.

    In a second tweet, Mr Trump described immigrants as invading the United States and clogging up the legal system, and took a swipe at critics who have cried foul over the policy of separating immigrant children from their parents.
    We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order.

    https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/donald-trump-twitter-rant-insists-that-immigrants-who-invade-us-should-be-instantly-deported/news-story/ccd620825c53691e547d6fee3227a4ca

  55. Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t believe, that had the Dems. had a candidate of the like of Cruz that Trump would’ve won

    Really, I presume you are referring to Ted Cruz? Trump smashed Cruz in the presidential primaries in 2016. Cruz didn’t even make a dent on Trump. There is no way that the Democrats, had they put up a candidate like Cruz, would have beaten Trump. Trump won double the Republican vote in the primaries and ended up with almost 3 times the delegates. More importantly, there was no way that a hard line southern zealot aka Cruz would have appealed to middle America. I suppose you also believe that Bernie could have beaten Trump?

  56. JohnL

    I don’t believe, that had the Dems. had a candidate of the like of Cruz that Trump would’ve won

    Democrats did not have the candidate like Cruz, they had crooked Hilary – Kilary. That was the best they have plus the fact that they relayed on the deep state to get her through regardless how crooked she was/is, until “We the People” tolled them fuck you.
    And before that, they had Obama who was the stooge that could not even prove, and still can’t, that he was born in the USA.
    And before that, they had Bill Clinton, whose only claim to fame is that he was getting blow jobs from interns.

  57. Bad Samaritan

    RT (5.57am) This whole issue of returning them immediately “without any judicial process” is already standard practice everywhere anyway, isn’t it? Hasn’t everybody seen at least one episode of shows like “Border Protection”?

    Very normal looking people arrive at the airport. They are often white. They have some story about not having any money with them because some guy they met in a bar someplace offered to put them up for six months if they ever came on a holiday to Australia. Immigration don’t buy the story and they send them back to the US or Canada or Germany on the next flight. That is all there is to it.

    On the other hand, when I travel, it rarely occurs to me to skip getting a visa and to slip across a border instead…to save the $20 (in some cases). Last time I drove from Germany into Switzerland (via Bodensee), I was in a French car in my name, and spoke to the border guys in German and French ,as well as having an Oz passport, and my partner being French, but we still got a full car search and a bit of a grilling. They would have just sent us back if they’d not liked what they heard!

    What is this BS about the US being “heartless” + nasty? FFS. Illegals out now!

  58. NuThink

    @struth
    However his support soared from the second he took on the media and Kelly with the comeback about not hating woman, just Rosanne ( or something to that affect)

    It was Roseann O’donnell (known as Rosie O’donnell) that has had a long term stoush with Trump. Roseanne Barr is pro Trump and is known as Roseanne and a very different kettle of fish. Roseann and Roseanne are two very different people, just a ‘e’ different in the name. Rosie is an unfunny lefty comedian and broadcaster and so Trump’s comeback hit the nail on the head.

  59. Iampeter

    Trump stands for the freedom of the citizen in the nation state. That is, the right to free speech, to meritocracy, to national pride and a freestanding national culture.

    But Trump doesn’t stand for any of these things.
    He is not on the side of free speech given his attacks on the media.
    He is not on the side of meritocracy given his anti-trade positions, which are similar to Bernie Sanders lol.
    He has no national pride and neither do his supporters which is why they are so terrified of immigrants.
    And neither he nor his supporters even understand our culture, if that’s even what Latham meant by “freestanding national culture” which just sounds like a gibberish term.

    The key political divide is no longer between Left and Right; it’s between civilisational and non-civilisational leaders.

    But the divide between civilizational and non-civilizational leaders IS the divid between Left and Right but the issue for Trump supporters is that they are on the non-civilizational and Left Wing side of that divide.

    Trump is not some turning of the tide, he is an unmitigated disaster representing the ongoing decline of Western Civilization.

  60. Tom

    There should be an annual award for propaganda — like the Walkeys or the Logies — called the Alinskys. IamPlumTuckeredOut’s upside down view of the world (above) would be a lock. Death is life. Night is day. Freedom is tyranny. What a pity you were born too late for the Third Reich, PlumTuckered.

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trump is not some turning of the tide, he is an unmitigated disaster representing the ongoing decline of Western Civilization.

    Are you one of those politically successful popular Libertarians?
    You know, the ones that people worldwide vote into office to change the world into a Libertarian utopia?
    I’m getting that vibe from you.

  62. egg_

    Once there is an end to cash, and the State controls all digital currency transfers, any desperate clinging deniers of socialism will simply have their bank accounts frozen and have to exist in a hunter/gatherer economy.

    An area can be returned to the Stone Age by turning off mobile phones and digital currency and grid power, all the old/baby/medical condition rebels die early on and the rest are hunted from the air by drones.

    Serves off-Grid loons right.

  63. egg_

    ones that people worldwide vote into office to change the world into a Libertarian utopia?

    That’s worth stealing.

  64. Cassie of Sydney

    “He has no national pride and neither do his supporters which is why they are so terrified of immigrants”

    Goodness, I have read some absurd and ludicrous stuff on this blog from the usual suspects over the years but this takes the cake. This isn’t normal.

  65. That is one of the best political ads I have ever seen.

    Indeed. It was masterful.

  66. BorisG

    I agree that while the resentment of the established order went far deeper than Hilary, her dreadful candidacy did help Trump’s election. Not sure about Cruz but Obama would could have won. But now that Trump has proven it can be different, others will follow. It can be Pompeo, Haley, Miller, or, most likely, someone we have not even heard of just yet. The genie is out of the bottle!

  67. mh

    Ignore the GetUp operative Iampeter.

  68. BorisG

    Peter has some good points. I disagree with him on immigration. Whether your view on immigration, a nation state concept is incompatible with uncontrolled undocumented immigration.

    However I agree with Peter on trade. Trump’s tariffs are socialist policies from EU’s playbook.

  69. BorisG

    But regardless whether I like or dislike Trump’s specific policies, he has shown that you can go against establishment, can win and the sky won’t fall.

    Even to the lunatic anti establishment left Trump has proven that democracy is alive and well.

  70. mh

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2746462, posted on June 25, 2018 at 9:23 am
    “He has no national pride and neither do his supporters which is why they are so terrified of immigrants”

    Goodness, I have read some absurd and ludicrous stuff on this blog from the usual suspects over the years but this takes the cake. This isn’t normal.

    Good summary on Iampeter. I think he needs help.

  71. mh

    BorisG
    #2746546, posted on June 25, 2018 at 11:42 am
    Peter has some good points. I disagree with him on immigration. Whether your view on immigration, a nation state concept is incompatible with uncontrolled undocumented immigration.

    Which is exactly why George Soros wants uncontrolled undocumented immigration. Iampeter is a Soros operative, and not a smart one either.

  72. Faceache

    Met up with four of my old school mates (we were very close) from the 1960s last month in New Zealand.After school I became a a NZ policeman, pretty conservative mostly, until I came to Australia on an alcoholic geographical, where for some crazy reason I voted for Gough. Maybe it was the booze and it’s consequent resentments.The last time I voted Labor.
    Mike, from a very wealthy family, became a leading left wing radical at Uni. I arrested him twice. Much to our amusement. He is now the CEO of one of New Zealand’s largest companies. Very smart guy.
    Stephen who had his own booze problems ( we both got sober in AA over 25 years ago) is one of NZs leading artists and lives in an idyllic paradise not far from Auckland. Need another 50 grand? Whack out another painting over a month. He was also a 6 year old refugee from Hungary in 1956. They spent a month trudging thru snow to get to Austria. His father, already injured by a Russian tank and never fully recovered, also got frostbite and his mother and sister barely survived the trip. They were given the choice of going to Canada, Venezuela or New Zealand. Canada too cold, Venezuela too warm, New Zealand just right said Mum. How wise was she? Stephen is so anti left he’s scary. That’s right, an anti left artist!
    Peter got serious at Uni, got. BSc with honours in Physics and then off to Harvard on two scholarships which paid for absolutely everything. Got a Harvard PhD and is now the top Physicist in the world in his particular (excuse the pun) field. Up for a Nobel perhaps. He is also a rabid lefty with the most dreadful woman as a wife. She called me a racist because I said the Aborigines had a particular problem with alcohol. Even the sober ones I know in AA say the same thing. Anyway, Peter hates Trump and loved Hillary and refers to Republicans as the Nazi party. Strange to see a smart guy like him froth at the mouth.
    Well, we had an interesting few days together and managed to stay friends and loving each other.
    Me? I became the worlds best and funniest and most efficient bus driver. Even if I do say so myself. Now live a wonderful life south of Perth with an amazingly gorgeous ,loving and smart woman.

  73. Habib

    Roseanne Barr is an occupy democrat (and she occupies an aircraft hangar most of the time). She is no pro-Trump republican, I’d say yet another sock puppet. If it’s possible to get size 4,367,240 socks.

  74. BorisG

    Occupy is not incompatible with Trump. They both hate Wall Street oligarchies.

  75. Mother Lode

    Didn’t Barr at some point declare that she favoured Trump because she so detested Pence.

    This would only make sense after he was elected President, obviously.

    Did she say anything pro-Trump before the election?

    Is she also the one that thinks the CIA has put implants in her brain and she is so familiar with them taking control she can tell which operator is in control on a given day?

  76. They both hate Wall Street oligarchies.

    It’s hard to not hate them.

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    Habib
    #2746597, posted on June 25, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    Roseanne Barr is an occupy democrat (and she occupies an aircraft hangar most of the time). She is no pro-Trump republican, I’d say yet another sock puppet. If it’s possible to get size 4,367,240 socks.

    Hmmm am not sure if Roseanne Barr is a Democrat as she has been an independent for a long time and I am pretty sure I read somewhere that she voted for Jill Stein in 2016. Roseanne has been contemptuous of both Clinton’s since the 1990s. However, whilst she is off the planet about a lot of things Roseanne does have a fair idea of what middle America and the rust belt are feeling, thinking and fuming about particularly in regards to the Washington swamp and the self serving politicians from both parties who inhabit that swamp and particularly about the corruption of Wall Street and its bailout a decade ago by the government. She understands why people voted for Trump.

  78. Just look at how low the Democrats have stooped: http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/24/trump-allies-facing-threats/.

    Maxine Waters is encouraging violence against Republicans in office. They have no idea what they are fomenting.

  79. Howard Hill

    Every generation must defend itself and its past. That means you, because there is no one else to do it.

    After the footy season is over, ok?

  80. Egor

    Faceache, AA was clearly a mistake, you can get over it. We replaced it with “Alcoholics Unanimous”, where if you feel like giving up a member on standby arrives with a dozen icy Carlsberg Elephants to support you in your time of need.

  81. Eyrie

    When it comes down to the wire “it’s just us”.
    The movie “Zulu” – Cole: Why is it us? Why us? Colour Sergeant Bourne: Because we’re here, lad. Nobody else. Just us.

  82. Tel

    He has no national pride and neither do his supporters which is why they are so terrified of immigrants.

    Classic leftist trick mixing up legal immigration with illegal immigration and pretending that if you think people should obey the law you must hate all immigrants.

  83. The BigBlueCat

    Seen somewhere on the internet …

    “If you want to get a conservative angry, tell a lie. If you want to get a liberal angry, tell the truth.”

    There’s something in that…

  84. RobK

    Peter,
    He is not on the side of free speech given his attacks on the media.
    His attacks are not prohibition.

  85. BorisG

    Did she say anything pro-Trump before the election?

    who cares?

  86. Iampeter

    Classic leftist trick mixing up legal immigration with illegal immigration and pretending that if you think people should obey the law you must hate all immigrants.

    Those of us who are actually right wing support rights protecting government and since immigration is not a rights violation it should not be illegal.
    So, not only does this make you the leftist but the fact that you don’t get this makes you a politically illiterate one to boot. But we’ve been over all this already.
    Also if a nation state can’t survive without regulating who lives where then how can it survive without regulating much more critical things like, oh I dunno, the means of production?
    Once the “nation state” instead of “individual rights” becomes your primary concern in politics then you are as far left as they come.

    So in this thread we have support for random leftist regulations of peoples lives and the casual hatred of Wall Street and you guys think I’m the Soros operative, lol?

    Bernie and Trump supporters – the only difference is Bernie supporters are not as confused about how left wing they are.

  87. Tom

    It really is a shame you were born too late for the Third Reich, IamPlumTuckeredOut. Had you been able to inject some of your life-is-death, freedom-is-slavery zingers into Mr Gooballs’ propaganda, they might still be in power.

    Never mind. New career opportunities for upside-down propaganda specialists like you will emerge in the next Liars-Greenfilth regime.

    And, in the meantime, there’s always the Ponds Institute.

  88. Iampeter

    Sorry Tom, but you’re just projecting your own total confusion on these subjects onto me.

    It’s you who would’ve happily supported the Third Reich while also believing you were fighting for strong “nation statehood” or some other self-delusion as justification for rights violating government that you support.

  89. Tel

    Those of us who are actually right wing support rights protecting government and since immigration is not a rights violation it should not be illegal.

    Are you really claiming that all immigration is always legal regardless?

  90. mh

    Also if a nation state can’t survive without regulating who lives where then how can it survive without regulating much more critical things like, oh I dunno, the means of production?

    Iampeter wants to spread the message that if a sovereign nation has an organised immigration program then it is Marxist. Very telling!

  91. Tom

    LOL. Every time you write something here, Iampeter, you reveal more about yourself. Lunatic leftoids have zero self-awareness.

  92. mh

    One in the eye for the Soros supporters here:

    CBS Poll: 51% of Americans Believe a Border Wall is a Good Idea

    It appears that Americans are not following Dem Nancy Pelosi’s lead and looking for the “spark of divinity” in MS-13 gang members.

  93. Are you really claiming that all immigration is always legal regardless?

    Yes, Tel, yes, he is. Iampeter doesn’t realize that if people are free to govern themselves, that denying such a community the right to choose who can, from without, settle therein, is a derogation of their right of self-government. Now, I don’t think this right is absolute, there are circumstances where people from without should enjoy a temporary right of refuge. But everything beyond that is by the grace of the people of this or that political community.

  94. I wonder what people like Peter Principle would say or do if a group of strangers just moved into his/her/ze/zum/hi ho the diddly o’s home and claimed it as their right to do so?

    Or is this a case of ‘Do as I say, not as I do’? Which is a common theme with the Left.

  95. Iampeter thinks the sovereign territory of a political community is different from the private property of his diddly o. He doesn’t explain how it respects the rights of self-government of a political community to exclude from them the right to manage who can and cannot settle in their community, and so on. We are supposed to just believe they are just different.

  96. Adrien

    Trump believes in the supremacy of ….. the defence of Western civilisation.

    Translation Services
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    Mark Latham says…

    FFS! Can anyone with triple digit intellignce quotient really give a tinkers what this ALP Fat Boy has to say? Except for his utility with such classic propoganda bollocks (like the above viz Potus Dump’s ‘beliefs’). He really needs to get a real job for once in his beer-bellied life.

    Might I suggest cab driver.

  97. Iampeter

    Mark Latham says…

    I know right.

    Dark days for conservatives that this is what they have to resort to.

    No ideas, no ideology, heck if you follow these threads there’s not even an understanding of basic, entry-level political concepts.

    The conservative movement reduced to “Mark Latham says…” as political discourse.

    LOL.

  98. No ideas, no ideology, heck if you follow these threads there’s not even an understanding of basic, entry-level political concepts.

    Iampeter, all you do is relentlessly regurgitate Rand. Ayn Rand says, right. You can’t even engage in an argument without requiring that your interlocutor accept Randian premises which he is not obliged to do. Your understanding of politics is thus that of an adolescent.

  99. Adrien

    all you do is relentlessly regurgitate

    Isn’t that what ideology consists of Dover?

  100. .

    Yes dover, but you’ve never refuted Rand.

  101. mh

    Rand was a philosopher. There is nothing to refute.

    If someone argued everything based on Orwell books, and that person said that there is no point arguing with you about politics because you don’t understand Orwell, you would tell them to grow up. If you are sensible.

  102. Adrien

    Rand was a philosopher. There is nothing to refute.

    Except the precepts of her phiosophy of course

    If someone argued everything based on Orwell books,

    This is not English.

    and that person said that there is no point arguing with you about politics because you don’t understand Orwell,

    Then they’d be a wanker.

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