Monday Forum: June 25, 2018

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  1. Tom

    I would rather make them live by ‘our’ book of rules, because I think they are actually better.

    Mother Lode, you cannot reason with diseducated, brainwashed, infantile, leftoid zombies any more than you can debate The Enlightenment with a rabid dog.

    Instead, let us make leftoids — like the rest of us — live by the rule of law, which they are constantly flouting.

  2. BorisG

    Last week Malcolm Turnbull talked to the head of Optus about buffering problems on their soccer feed.

    So Turnbull is now a model leader?

  3. Natural Instinct

    A cocktail in a fresh coconut.
    Fijian sunset
    Perfect.
    And then they ban straws.
    … really not the same slurping like a dog or using a spoon.
    But hey i did my big to save the world.

  4. So Turnbull is now a model leader?

    Plasticine or play-dough model?

  5. H B Bear

    Maocolm knows the internet.

  6. Leigh Lowe

    H B Bear

    #2748202, posted on June 27, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    Maocolm knows the internet.

    He should.
    He invented it.

  7. Slayer of Memes

    Leftists: We’re not unhinged! YOU’RE unhinged!!

    Also Leftists:

    Up next: 1970s-style bombings, warns progressive
    Interrupting meals ‘just the beginning’ of resistance to Republicans

    A writer for the popular progressive news website Splinter is warning supporters of President Trump that if they have a problem with the heckling of administration officials in public places, they haven’t seen anything yet.

    “Do you think that being asked to leave a restaurant, or having your meal interrupted, or being called by the public is bad? My fascism-enabling friends, this is only the beginning,” writes Splinter senior writer Hamilton Nolan.

    Pointing to history, he writes that the U.S. “had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s.”

    “This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive,” says Nolan.

    “The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at [sic] a Mexican restaurant.”

    He reasons that when “you aggressively f— with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to f— with yours.”

    Splinter is a news and opinion website owned by the progressive Gizmodo Media Group, a division of Univision Communications, the Hispanic media giant. Splinter’s direct owner, Fusion Media Group, was purchased from Disney in April 2016. Fusion describes itself as Univision’s multi-platform, English language division “dedicated to serving young, diverse America.”

    The Gateway Pundit blog notes Splinter has 586,000 followers on Twitter.

    Nolan, who counts an op-ed for the New York Times among his writing credits, contends Trump administration officials should not be allowed “to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population.”

    “Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse,” he says.

    Nolan says some of the “Trump outrages,” such as “ripping families apart at the border, show their costs immediately; others, like eschewing the fight against climate change and neutering the EPA and mainstreaming white nationalist ideas, will be manifesting their costs for many decades to come.”

    In the years 1971 and 1972 alone, according to the FBI, more than 2,000 bombs were planted throughout the United States by domestic terrorist groups. Among the chief culprits was the Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorn, who hosted a fundraiser at their home to launch Barack Obama’s political career. Among the Weather Underground’s targets were the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.

    The warning of violence from the left comes amid a call by Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., for more harassment of Trump administration officials.

    WND reported Waters, declaring “God is on our side,” urged supporters at a rally in Los Angeles Saturday to step up resistance to Trump, claiming the president is “sacrificing our children.”

    Vowing to “win this battle,” she said: “If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!”

    Her call for harassment came a day after a Virginia restaurant owner kicked out White House press secretary Sanders and her family while they were dining. The owner, however, didn’t stop her political activism after Sanders and her family left. She followed family members across the street to another restaurant and organized a protest there.

    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, White House adviser Stephen Miller and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi were among other Republican government officials confronted by hostile protesters last week.

    WND reported Tuesday that amid the recent controversy over separation of families at the border, interview guests and analysts on CNN and MSNBC have frequently branded supporters of President Trump as racists and Nazis.

    On MSNBC, Donny Deutsch, the former host of a CNBC talk show, said anyone who votes for Trump is a “bad guy,” and he likened Trump voters to Nazi concentration camp guards.

    “If we are working towards November, we can no longer say Trump’s the bad guy. If you vote for Trump, you’re the bad guy. If you vote for Trump, you are ripping children from parents’ arms,” Deutsch said on the “Morning Joe” show.

    “If you vote for Trump, then you, the voter, you, not Donald Trump, are standing at the border, like Nazis going, ‘You here, you here.’ I think we now have to flip it and it’s a given, the evilness of Donald Trump,” he said. “But if you vote, you can no longer separate yourself. You can’t say, ‘Well, he’s okay, but. …’ And I think that gymnastics and that jiu-jitsu has to happen.”

    Grabien News reported filmmaker and frequent MSNBC guest Michael Moore likened Trump voters to accomplices to rape.

    “If you hold down the woman while the rapist is raping her, and you didn’t rape her — are you a rapist?”
    Moore added: “Anybody who enables, anybody who votes for and supports a racist is a racist. You are culpable, white America, I’m sorry.”

  8. jupes

    Why would POTUS even talk about them? Doesn’t he have more important things to worry about?

    Harley was brought up by the appalling Kimberley Kitching on Bolta last night.

    Apparently it was evidence that tax cuts don’t work. Seriously.

    Disappointingly Bolta let it slide. Even though it is not really the format for in-depth discussion of throw-away lines, Bolta should have treated it with the ridicule it deserved but he seems to like the stupid bint.

  9. Snoopy

    The U.S. can survive without exporting food, China cannot survive without importing food. The U.S. economy can survive without importing durable goods; the Chinese economy cannot survive without exporting durable goods. This is the unavoidable trade reality. As a consequence President Trump has all the factual leverage.

  10. Percy Popinjay

    people to go through our bins at 2am to check that we’re complying with their bin rules

    Everything you need to know about contemporary Oz in a 17 word sentence.

    Partygoer: “Well Hector, what do you do for crust?”
    H: “I’m a bin inspector for Sydney City Council”
    P: “So, you’re a garbologist?”
    H: “No, I inspect the contents of ratepayers’ bins to ensure they’re not breaking any garbage disposal compliance clauses”
    P: “Get the f*ck away from me, you f*cking freak!”

  11. Mother Lode

    ‘our’ book of rules

    Got us to the point where the US needed a Trump.
    Got us to the point where we have Turnbull.
    Got us to the point where green communists control policy.
    It’s well past time that certain ideas were tossed out as just wrong and their supporters told to simply “F’ OFF”

    Actually, I reckon it was us who dropped the ball.

    Time and again ground was just ceded to the Left for expedience.

    It is not so strange that The Greatest Generation gave birth to one that was near the diametrical opposite – the thoroughly comprehensible wish to give their kids freedoms they had been denied – and that was done through love.

  12. Cactus

    On the Bin police. How do they know its your rubbish in your bin? I frequently do a midnight dash with a bag of rubbish and put it in any available bin nearby after exhausting our meagre bin.

    Reminds me of a council clean-up after a cyclone one time. Dad used the opportunity to do a ‘bit’ of gardening. After we heaped all our garden waste on a pile in front of the house. Dad lingered and sorta just stared at a neighbours pile over the road which was much smaller than our 6-7 cubic metres. “Son, why don’t we just even the piles out… don’t want to stand out”.

  13. Roger

    Save the bloody turtles:

    Woolworth’s 15c reusable bags are made in Germany and presumably transported here on container ships powered by bunker fuel!

  14. Mother Lode

    He should.
    He invented it.

    I think Al Gore invented it, but Maol modified it because electrons swirl in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere.

    So, I suppose Maol invented it in the same way that some guy saw the design of golf clubs, which had evolved over a century or so, and ‘invented’ the left hand golf club by mirroring the design in an afternoon.

  15. Zyconoclast

    Actor Rebel Wilson ordered to repay $4.1m

    Actor Rebel Wilson will be left with less than 12 per cent of the record $4.7 million defamation payout she was originally awarded, after being ordered to hand back the majority of funds.
    And the Hollywood star still needs to deduct some legal fees from what’s left.

    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/actor-rebel-wilson-ordered-to-repay-4-1m-20180627-p4zo0r.html

  16. Oh come on

    Whale fucking. No joke. Each year, on Feb 1st, in the Molokai Channel, a few men compete in the world’s only whale fucking contest. Humpback whales are easy to fuck- for a second or less. World record: 31 seconds. I competed once. Almost got my ribs crushed. Stick with Ostriches.

    Best case scenario is that the 1990s computer security guy has an extremely oddball sense of humour…

  17. thefrolickingmole

    Each year, on Feb 1st, in the Molokai Channel, a few men compete in the world’s only whale fucking contest

    He should try the average Perth nighclub around closing time.

    “Arrrrrr the hour be late but the blowhole be wet” said the crusty seaman….

  18. Oh come on

    Actor Rebel Wilson ordered to repay $4.1m

    then

    Whale fucking.

    Quite.

  19. Zyconoclast

    New coal doesn’t stack up – just look at Queensland’s renewable energy numbers

    As the federal government aims to ink a deal with the states on the National Energy Guarantee in August, it appears still to be negotiating within its own ranks. Federal energy minister Josh Frydenberg has reportedly told his partyroom colleagues that he would welcome a new coal-fired power plant, while his former colleague (and now Queensland Resources Council chief executive) Ian Macfarlane urged the government to consider offering industry incentives for so-called “clean coal”.
    Last month, it emerged that One Nation had asked for a new coal-fired power plant in north Queensland in return for supporting the government’s business tax reforms.
    Is all this pro-coal jockeying actually necessary for our energy or economic future? Our analysis suggests that renewable energy is a much better choice, in terms of both costs and jobs.

    Renewables and jobs

    Virtually all new generation being constructed in Australia is solar photovoltaics (PV) and wind energy. New-build coal power is estimated to cost A$70-90 per megawatt-hour, increasing to more than A$140 per MWh with carbon capture and storage.
    Solar PV and wind are now cheaper than new-build coal power plants, even without carbon capture and storage. Unsubsidised contracts for wind projects in Australia have recently been signed for less than A$55 per MWh, and PV electricity is being produced from very large-scale plants at A$30-50 per MWh around the world.
    Worldwide, solar PV and wind generation now account for 60% of global net new power capacity, far exceeding the net rate of fossil fuel installation.
    As the graph below shows, medium to large (at least 100 kilowatts) renewable energy projects have been growing strongly in Australia since 2017. Before that, there was a slowdown due to the policy uncertainty around the Renewable Energy Target, but wind and large scale solar are now being installed at record rates and are expected to grow further.

    As the graph also shows, this has been accompanied by a rapid increase in employment in the renewables sector, with roughly 4,000 people employed constructing and operating wind and solar farms in 2016-17. In contrast, employment in biomass (largely sugar cane bagasse and ethanol) and hydro generation have been relatively static.
    Although employment figures are higher during project construction than operation, high employment numbers will continue as long as the growth of renewable projects continues. As the chart below shows, a total of 6,400MW of new wind and solar projects are set to be completed by 2020.

    The Queensland question
    Australia’s newest coal-fired power plant was opened at Kogan Creek, Queensland in 2007. Many of the political voices calling for new coal have suggested that this investment should be made in Queensland. But what’s the real picture of energy development in that state?
    There has been no new coal for more than a decade, but developers are queuing up to build renewable energy projects. Powerlink, which owns and maintains Queensland’s electricity network, reported in May that it has received 150 applications and enquiries to connect to the grid, totalling 30,000MW of prospective new generation – almost all of it for renewables. Its statement added:
    A total of more than A$4.2 billion worth of projects are currently either under construction or financially committed, offering a combined employment injection of more than 3,500 construction jobs across regional Queensland and more than 2,000MW of power.
    As the map below shows, 80% of these projects are in areas outside South East Queensland, meaning that the growth in renewable energy is set to offer a significant boost to regional employment.

    Tropical North Queensland, in particular, has plenty of sunshine and relatively little seasonal variation in its climate. While not as windy as South Australia, it has the advantage that it is generally windier at night than during the day, meaning that wind and solar energy would complement one another well.
    Renewable energy projects that incorporate both solar and wind in the same precinct operate for a greater fraction of the time, thus reducing the relative transmission costs. This is improved still further by adding storage in the form of pumped hydro or batteries – as at the new renewables projects at Kidston and Kennedy.
    Remember also that Queensland is linked to the other eastern states via the National Electricity Market (NEM). It makes sense to build wind farms across a range of climate zones from far north Queensland to South Australia because – to put it simply – the wider the coverage, the more likely it is that it will be windy somewhere on the grid at any given time.
    This principle is reflected in our work on 100% renewable electricity for Australia. We used five years of climate data to determine the optimal location for wind and solar plants, so as to reliably meet the NEM’s total electricity demand. We found that the most cost-effective solution required building about 10 gigawatts (GW) of new wind and PV in far north Queensland, connected to the south with a high-voltage cable.
    Jobs and growth
    This kind of investment in northern Queensland has the potential to create thousands of jobs in the coming decades. An SKM report commissioned by the Clean Energy Council estimated that each 100MW of new renewable energy would create 96 direct local jobs, 285 state jobs, and 475 national jobs during the construction phase. During operation those figures would be 9 local jobs, 14 state jobs and 32 national jobs per 100MW of generation.
    Spreading 10GW of construction over 20 years at 500MW per year would therefore deliver 480 ongoing local construction jobs and 900 ongoing local operation jobs once all are built, and total national direct employment of 2,400 and 3,200 in construction and operations, respectively.
    But the job opportunities would not stop there. New grid infrastructure will also be needed, for transmission line upgrades and investments in storage such as batteries or pumped hydro. The new electricity infrastructure could also tempt energy-hungry industries to head north in search of cheaper operating costs.

    One political party with a strong regional focus, Katter’s Australia Party, understands this. Bob Katter’s seat of Kennedy contains two large renewable energy projects. In late 2017, he and the federal shadow infrastructure minister Anthony Albanese took a tour of renewables projects across far north Queensland’s “triangle of power”.
    Katter, never one to hold back, asked “how could any government conceive of the stupidity like another baseload coal-fired power station in North Queensland?” Judging by the numbers, it’s a very good questoon.

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    So Katter turns up today for Parliament, instead of lurking around the precinct of the Banking RC. It’s his day to rise on hind trotters and read out one of those tortuous, long winded questions of his. Will grab attention wherever he can find it, even when it means turning up for work.

  21. DrBeauGan

    Bruce in WA, that video was a retelling of the Robert Heinlein story All you zombies.

    It’s over half a century old.

  22. Diogenes

    Leftists: We’re not unhinged! YOU’RE unhinged!!

    Also Leftists:

    Up next: 1970s-style bombings, warns progressive
    Interrupting meals ‘just the beginning’ of resistance to Republicans

    Its now official, the US Republic has now become the Weimar Republic. THIS sort of stuff is exactly how organisations such as the SS came about to push back against it.

  23. Fellas, please. Is no one concerned about the whereabouts of monty? I’m afraid he might be a fetal position by his computer following Trump’s recent victories.

  24. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Fellas, please. Is no one concerned about the whereabouts of monty? I’m afraid he might be a fetal position by his computer following Trump’s recent victories.

    fcuk him

  25. jupes

    ABC propaganda goes into overdrive. This is an article by a couple of snake-oil salesman who claim that it is possible to have “100 per cent renewable electricity for Australia”.

    If there was an award for the most bullshit statements in one article then this would be a finalist. Funnily enough there is no mention of subsidies except for this claim:

    Unsubsidised contracts for wind projects in Australia have recently been signed for less than $55 per MWh,

    No mention of market distortion caused by the RET of course. And just when you thought that it couldn’t get any stupider, guess who pops up to endorse this garbage:

    Mr Katter, never one to hold back, asked “how could any government conceive of the stupidity like another baseload coal-fired power station in North Queensland?”

    Fuck. Me. Dead.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    Zyconoclast

    #2748213, posted on June 27, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Actor Rebel Wilson ordered to repay $4.1m

    Actor Rebel Wilson will be left with less than 12 per cent of the record $4.7 million defamation payout she was originally awarded, after being ordered to hand back the majority of funds.
    And the Hollywood star still needs to deduct some legal fees from what’s left.

    I find this a bizarre report.
    Apparently Bauer cut the cheque even though they had lodged an appeal.
    I would have thought that Bauer would have sought leave to hold over payment until appeals are exhausted.
    I wonder if Rebel might not have “Depped” the money and doesn’t have it to pay back.
    She very quickly went from “it’s not about the money” to “why should I be stripped of my cash.”

  27. Gab

    Why can’t a commercial insinerator be built to burn our rubbish. We have the technology surely to entrap participle matter and smoke.

  28. mizaris

    It has taken SIX WEEKS for the council to replace the wheel.

    It took our indigenous brethren 40,000 years to not discover the wheel. I’d say you’re on a winner.

  29. Pedro the Ignorant

    Harley Davidson motorbikes are a great indicator of the health of the mining industry.

    During boom times, all the parking spots in town and pub car parks are filled with Harleys.

    During lean times, the supermarket notice boards are filled with “For Sale” notices for cheap Harleys.

    Jet skis are a similar reliable economic indicator near the coast.

  30. H B Bear

    Up next: 1970s-style bombings, warns progressive

    That will be great for the Magic Negro now he and the Wookie have some spare time – catching up with Bill Ayers and a few of his Weather Underground mates. Maybe O’Bozo will get the Choom Gang back together too.

  31. Chris

    Fellas, please. Is no one concerned about the whereabouts of monty? I’m afraid he might be a fetal position by his computer following Trump’s recent victories.

    Or preparing a rake-bomb for the Fascists, with likely the usual Weather-Underground style result.

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is no one concerned about the whereabouts of monty?

    Maybe he’s having one last birthday party with his kid, with plastic cups, straws and party balloons…

    Fun will not be allowed in the glorious green republic of Australia.

  33. Speedbox

    New fred. Guess who’s first?

  34. Snoopy

    Monty’s raging outside Red Rooster with a Fuck Trump placard.

  35. candy

    Rae. I don’t think local people would protest against the Red Hen because of risk to themselves and property from Dem prorestors. They have to live and work there after all.
    Also the high placed Repug officials close to Trump or anyone close to him muat be ultra careful about where eat now because of what could be injected into their food
    a real and present risk.

  36. Bruce in WA

    Je suppose qu’il est d’uriner comme des chats et des chiens?

    Oui, c’est vrai!

  37. Victoristan is proposing to ban plastic bags from retail outlets. This country.

  38. Bruce in WA

    Bruce in WA, that video was a retelling of the Robert Heinlein story All you zombies.

    It’s over half a century old.

    Yes, I know. I just thought hearing it orally added a new dimension (sorry) to it.

  39. JC

    Snoopy

    That crank theory on relative survival works when a country is on some sort of war footing or some other, similar crises. It’s not a policy backdrop that promotes rising living standards.

    Perhaps you could explain the merits of a trade policy based on those sorts of ideals.

    There’s a disturbing number of people here who think trade is zero sum.

    Trump has a blind spot when it comes to trade. He doesn’t understand it and hires ridiculous cranks like the commerce secretary and Navarro who echo his nonsense beliefs.

    The other day, I heard Trump say the US loses $US 450 million a year on trade. That’s so fucking hamfisted stupid it borders on retardation. Agent Orange is a moron when it comes to trade. It needs to stop because it takes away all the good he’s been doing elsewhere.

  40. Mother Lode

    Instead, let us make leftoids — like the rest of us — live by the rule of law, which they are constantly flouting.

    My point.

    We follow our rules, we insist they follow the laws. We take away welfare as a lifestyle choice. We make them bear responsibility for their own actions and we allow them the reward of their own efforts.

    I think this would hollow out the left to a large extent over a generation or two.

    But we won’t do it by doxxing people, rioting through the streets, creating a media behemoth to transmit doubleplusgoodthink.

    We do it – our way.

  41. JC

    Whoops

    Loses to the Chinese.

  42. JC

    Trade bullshit is fast becoming the renewball energy disaster on the right. That’s where it looks like heading.

  43. DrBeauGan
    #2748221, posted on June 27, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    Dr BeauGan,
    Houseboat starring Cary Grant and Sophia Loren, as discussed last night. Scroll down past all the fake stuff which just leads to ads. Below a yellow box with “Play Now” on it you will see an actual screen shot from the movie, with Cary Grant and his “children” sitting in an audience.

    Click on the screenshot to play the movie.

  44. Boambee John

    jupes
    #2748227, posted on June 27, 2018 at 2:31 pm
    ABC propaganda goes into overdrive. This is an article by a couple of snake-oil salesman who claim that it is possible to have “100 per cent renewable electricity for Australia”.

    Perhaps Their ABC would like to lead by example?

  45. BorisG

    Trade bullshit is fast becoming the renewball energy disaster on the right

    Actually both on right and far left alike. Communists and unions are always against trade.

  46. Top Ender

    This Fred is closed.

    It is an ex-Fred.

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