Monday Forum: June 25, 2018

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  1. SACK.THEM.ALL.

    From the rally at NSW Parliament House yesterday.

    Video Here

    I’m on from 22m 19s

  2. Exit Stage Right

    1st wicket down! The Aussies need all the help they can get!

  3. Jo Smyth

    The Australian has an article wishing luck to the front runner contender in the Mexican elections. I have tried to post three times that this person is a Marxist who has told his supporters to leave their towns and villages and flood the American border and demand to be let in. A man who has offered amnesty to drug cartels. Corruption incorporated. The Australian is obviously anti democracy.

  4. Confused Old Misfit

    Well, well!

  5. Speedbox

    Who hoo. New fred. Made the team.

  6. Boambee John

    Riccardo

    Bugger “sack them all”, go the full Rabz, complete with piles of skulls (NADT).

  7. Bruce in WA

    Gastro virus is not nice. Especially when both you and your wife have it — badly.

    That is all.

  8. Zyconoclast

    So much for privacy.
    What’s the bet it will only be used to ID men. Most likely those without a tan.

    Victorians could check partner’s criminal history under Coalition plan to prevent family violence

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-25/coalition-plan-to-let-victorians-check-partners-criminal-history/9905616

  9. Peter Castieau

    Well done Riccardo

  10. Top Ender

    Court documents reveal the alleged incidents occurred in Balmain, Sydney and Bega between 1981 and 1983.

    Must be quite a few people around who are getting nervous.

    Just because something happened in the past, where it was a different country, doesn’t preclude you being hauled into court.

  11. Snoopy

    Victorians could check partner’s criminal history under Coalition plan to prevent family violence

    Woman avoid men with a criminal history?

  12. mizaris

    top twenny with a rocket!

  13. Top Ender

    Interesting:

    Construction union organiser Joe Myles has been ordered to personally pay a $19,500 penalty for unlawful conduct, under a significant Federal Court ruling designed to undercut the union’s strategy of paying penalties of behalf of law-breaking officials.

    The decision follows a landmark High Court ruling in February that union officials can be hit with orders stopping unions paying fines on their behalf.

    Link

  14. Gilas

    From the Old Fred, still worth asking though..

    Helen
    #2746452, posted on June 25, 2018 at 9:11 am

    Katherine services like tyre shops dropped 40% in turnover thanks to Julia, the hay makers, the service industry that supports it, all jobs lost.

    Thank you Helen.
    Coming late to the thread, and I don’t know whether the information is available but:…

    Is there a way to see whether voting in the seat and/or the voting booth of Katherine directly affected by the Slapper’s stupidity changed in subsequent Federal and State elections?

    This is the real test of action and consequence. Whether the demos responds to adverse political interference…or not.

    Any Cats’ help in knowing where to find this out is appreciated.

  15. Dr Faustus

    Construction union organiser Joe Myles has been ordered to personally pay a $19,500 penalty for unlawful conduct, under a significant Federal Court ruling designed to undercut the union’s strategy of paying penalties of behalf of law-breaking officials.

    Mr Myles will sit down for a friendly game of poker with a few CFMEU buddies and will, surprisingly, win $19,500 on a couple of good hands.

  16. Speedbox

    So much for privacy.

    We have only limited privacy these days and what remains is being systematically eroded in the new world order. The proposal for checking your (potential) partner’s criminal history is just another small step. Checking the criminal history of new appointees by business has been available for some time.

  17. Rossini

    No more impulse buying at Woolworths any more

  18. stackja

    From old Fred

    Mother Lode
    #2746529, posted on June 25, 2018 at 11:20 am
    Ah ha! As I suspected. The circle around the right eye was some sort of secret wymmymses business.

    Surely it is that old practical joke where you put ink on the eyepiece of a telescope and invite someone to look through the telescope.

    Either they all fell for the joke (not expecting the same result each time – that induction business surely a relic of patriachial logic) or one fell for it and the rest are expressing solidarity.

    Pete the Pup
    From Wikipedia,

    The original Pete (sired by “Tudor’s Black Jack”) was an APBT named “Pal, the Wonder Dog”, and had a natural ring almost completely around his right eye; dye was used to finish it off.

    Pete the Pup picture linky

  19. classical_hero

    The surgery was successful. Just the usual pain from surgery but otherwise no problems. I’m passing more urine than before but still waiting for the new kidney to kick into gear.

  20. stackja

    Gilas
    #2746603, posted on June 25, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    AEC Internet site probably has information on voting.

  21. Zyconoclast

    Australia’s biggest online doctor’s appointment booking service, HealthEngine, has funnelled hundreds of users’ private medical information to law firms seeking clients for personal injury claims.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-25/healthengine-sharing-patients-information-with-lawyers/9894114

  22. Mater

    Well done, Riccardo.
    Thank you.

  23. pete m

    excellent news classical_hero!

  24. Delta A

    Can’t leave this gem on the old Fred:

    Helen
    #2746452, posted on June 25, 2018 at 9:11 am
    It costs north of $360 to slaughter a beast in Australia, 240+ in USA and $30 in Indo.

    For reasons why so expensive in Australia, I give you Muginberri. There used to be a good paper on it at HR Nichols, but I cant find it. Basically, the seasonal workers were happy with their agreement and came each season to work at the Ab. The Union thought they sould be paid $400-$500 more per week. So they struck. Most of the workers crossed the line and kept working, the picket was mainly made up of unemployed Katherine meatworkers as the Katherine meatworks did not open that year.

    Within a few years there was no abbatoir in NT. There is one now, but it is huge and badly managed and is closing down at the end of July.

    Then there is the animal. Farmers here on the cat but few city people will know that certain carcasses meet certain market requirements through grading on the kill chain. Most cattle LEx is a small carcass, up to 350 kg in weight live, which roughly translates to a 175 kg carcass. Prices for on the hoof LEx are still about $2.70, = $945 per animal. To slaughter the unfattened animal in Australia would see about a $300.00 return. This is becasue the animal just does not have the carcass size to meet basic grading, and would have to go to the grinding beef market and is too light.

    To meet the grinding beef market, assuming there was an abbatoir to kill them that did not entail a 3,000+ km journey by truck the animals would have to be held on farm and grown out for a further 2 years to 400 kg minimum. Essentially 2 years without income, and then sell the animal for less than would have been obtained, per head, 2 years before. You also have the added costs of basic animal care per head for that 2 years, water, supplement, vaccinations and the mustering and processing to give those vaccinations, all up about $50.00 per year per animal. And even then, becasue most of North Australia suffers a protein drought each year, the animals will not end up on the Wollworths plastic meat trays. They will be hamburger, because they will not meet the grading requirements of Meat Standards Australia.

    There is the extra pressure on pasture and waters while holding those animals for another 2 years, you can’t simply stop breeding and new stock are still coming on, as well as trying to find room for the old stock that need to be grown out. There is weed control. Something has to give in the budget when you have no cashflow, and weeds will most certainly be one of them. Employees will be another. Infrastructure will be another and equipment – all will have to be run down.

    Overall, it would lead to an animal welfare catastrophe like you could not imagine. If you have no money to buy vital supplement – $30.00 per head per year, then cows will just die from starvation in the paddock. The pasture has no protien in it during the dry deason, that is generally supplied through supplement – it just helps keep the animal going, it doesnt fatten them.

    Having said all that, the only way through that I can see in the event of losing the Live Ex Market is through pasture development, either clearing and going the full monty with full improved pasture plus oversowing native pasture with improved pasture. Which is what we are doing, it is a 10 year project at the end of which we hope to have much more market flexibilty, with an animal that is suited for both markets, Live Ex and domestic graded.

    There is still much uncertainty as a result of Julia Gillards kneejerk actions, the whole job which was chugging along quite well, is now up and down and jittery, leaving us with no option but to explore (at great cost even with a willing banker) other options. We are too old to go and do somthing else, somehow we have to make this work.

    So to shout from the rooftops, shut it down, is both uninformed and belittling to the people who earn a living from it, the truck drivers, the towns which rely on it – Katherine services like tyre shops dropped 40% in turnover thanks to Julia, the hay makers, the service industry that supports it, all jobs lost.

    It would be much better if those people could come up with some solutions, like how do you get a permit to clear for improved pasture when you have a green government? You have to go right to the bottom of the pyramid and work your way up, not just cut the top off and think all will be well.

    On a final note, there are highly skilled and hard working people who are in our overseas markets, training people on animal welfare handling of livestock. Real progress is being made, right across Turkey, Egypt, all those northern countries, as well as SE Asia. This impacts not only Australian cattle and sheep that go there, but also local livestock. I am proud of what they are doing and sad to think that training and awareness would be turned off as well.

    To my mind the solution is not to cut it off, but to work to make it better. This is all I will post on this as we are into our season and I have no time to linger.

  25. The Barking Toad

    Well done, Riccardo.
    Thank you.

    Ditto

  26. Zyconoclast

    Maxine Waters wants more people to harass Trump administration officials in public spaces.

    The California Congresswoman went on a shouting rampage during a toy drive outside the Wilshire Federal Building on Saturday.

    After claiming Trump is”sacrificing our children,” referring to the illegal immigrant kids separated from their “parents” near the border, Waters again called for the president’s impeachment, triggering loud applause from the baying mob.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/maxine-waters-orders-more-public-harassment-of-trump-aides-god-is-on-our-side/

  27. Helen

    Gilas

    Just waiting for the vet to preg test some heifers.

    Katherine was always one of the crown jewels of the Country Liberal Party, from day one it never went ALP.

    Until the last election, when the wishes of the local committee were over ruled and an unwanted candidate allowed to run. The seat was lost to ALP as a result. You could say people voted with integrity.

    So no, nothing to do with Julia.

  28. RobK

    Well done, Riccardo.
    Thank you.

    From me too.
    Best wishes to Classical Hero. Out the otherside of darkness.

  29. Delta A

    Great news, Classical hero.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Well said, Riccardo – thank you.

  31. cohenite

    Maxine Waters wants more people to harass Trump administration officials in public spaces.

    Female demorats are obnoxious and weird; apart from waters, you’ve got Pelosi, warren, sheila Jackson lee, Dianne Feinstein and Frederica Wilson.

  32. Dr Fred Lenin

    See our turnbull alp unelected government (we didn’t vote for the alp it was turnbull who betrayed the liberal party)” well this mob is stopping Huawei from developing 5G internet here . The fake news excuse is security issues now it wouldn’t be to protect the white elephant NBN would it ? The three alp comrades who got NBN going krudd,conway the Pom and turnbull protecting their legacy of an inept incompetent abc like monolith full of gangrenes and communists .

  33. egg_

    excellent news classical_hero!

    +1

  34. Zyconoclast

    Female demorats are obnoxious and weird; apart from waters, you’ve got Pelosi, warren, sheila Jackson lee, Dianne Feinstein and Frederica Wilson.

    Clinton

  35. Dr Fred Lenin

    See the gangrenes exonerated the members who white anted the candidate defeated by the alp in BATMAN .electorate , the candidate was traumatised by the treachery of her erstwhile comrades , what did she expect loyalty is non existent in Narxist communism the only loyalty they show is under threat of severe sanctions or death , that has the effect of creating a loyal following every time ,the US decromats and both our branches of the alp practice it too and no doubt the other socialist parties in the world .

  36. Dr Fred Lenin

    Classical hero.best wishes for a speedy recovery ,I wish you every success . This country needs good people like us to counter the fake news comrades and confront them with their lies .

  37. Bruce in WA

    classical_hero, very pleased to hear that!

  38. johanna

    Bruce in WA
    #2746591, posted on June 25, 2018 at 1:31 pm

    Gastro virus is not nice. Especially when both you and your wife have it — badly.

    That is all.

    Yep, that’s all he could write before another enforced trip to the toilet.

    I feel your pain. The sickest I have ever been in my relatively long life was when I got the screaming abdabs in Mexico. It took ten days to recover, with foul emissions at both ends every 20 minutes or so. Luckily I was young and otherwise healthy, or it could have been fatal.

    It does make you appreciate the benefits of living in a First World country.

    Do you know what the source of the bug is? Very often, in rich countries, it is ‘organic’ produce which has not been properly washed. In Canberra a few years ago, a lot of people ended up in hospital after eating mayonnaise made with ‘free range’ eggs that were contaminated with salmonella, at a hipster restaurant that trumpeted how much they cared about Da Planet.

    Silo, since you ask.

    I always buy cage eggs at Coles. Three bucks a dozen (the ‘free range ones are $7) and have been washed in a bleach solution before sale.

  39. Best wishes Classical Hero.
    Don’t worry, the pain passes.

  40. The left do not believe in the individual or individual rights, only in the collective. Thus it is only fair that we refer to Nu Zuland’s celebrity sprog using a collective noun.
    As the produce of socialist trash the most appropriate term is clearly ‘litter’.
    Henceforth all references to lefties offspring will use the collective noun ‘litter’, for example;

    Speaker A: “Did you hear Jacinda had a litter last week?”
    Speaker B: “Yes, I was surprised to hear she had a litter instead of a partial birth abortion.”

    That is all.

  41. johanna

    Classical hero, wot the others said.

  42. H B Bear

    Clinton

    The Hilldebeast is more of a criminal enabler like Gillard. Dangerous and destructive. Pelosi should be involuntarily sectioned to the nearest loony bin. Pocahontas is delusional.

  43. Tom

    Excellent news, Classical Hero!

  44. mizaris

    classical_hero
    #2746608, posted on June 25, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Up and contributing already…excellent news. Keep up the good work.

  45. I always buy cage eggs at Coles. Three bucks a dozen

    Get yourself a couple of chooks, Johanna.
    Trust me, you’ll notice the difference.

    .
    Did I mention I'[m wearing shoes today?

  46. H B Bear

    Helen – thanks for your informative post. My old man used to have a station about 80km south of Port Hedland and we would go up and help with the mustering during school holidays. It wasn’t great cattle country and some of the old heifers you would drive out of the spinifex looked like they were a couple of days away from dropping dead but still managed to drop a calf.

    Not sure where the young animals were ultimately sent but most were a Brahman cross and I couldn’t see any of them meeting Australian standards. Good fun but I was always pleased to head back down to Perth.

  47. mizaris

    The pain of healing post op is so much more bearable than the pain of the illness.

  48. Mother Lode

    I just wish Trump had called her Fauxcohontas.

    Or Liarwatha.

  49. Mother Lode

    Calli’s present.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    memoryvault

    #2746636, posted on June 25, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    Best wishes Classical Hero.
    Don’t worry, the pain passes

    Pain will pass.
    Along with about 44 gallons of liquid as they stress test the kidneys to see if they are operating.
    But, yes, surgery pain passes.
    Don’t hold back on the pain-killers.

  51. The Barking Toad

    I’m going to steal this….
    Liarwatha.

  52. Baldrick

    Well done Riccardo and classical_hero for two completely different reasons 👍

  53. calli

    “And guess what,” she predicted, “we’re going to win this battle because while you try and quote the Bible, Jeff Sessions and others, you really don’t know the Bible.

    “God is on OUR side!” she declared, as the crowd went wild. “On the side of the children. On the side of what’s right. On the side of what’s honorable.”

    Can knowledgable Cats please fill me in on Waters’ position on abortion?

  54. calli

    Good stuff hero! All the best for your recovery.

    On the home front, the Beloved is up and walking around unaided and going for little turns around the street. The worst thing is not being able to drive and lack of independence. I’ll eventually get over it. 😄

  55. Tintarella di Luna

    The surgery was successful. Just the usual pain from surgery but otherwise no problems. I’m passing more urine than before but still waiting for the new kidney to kick into gear.

    Glad it went well classical hero, all the best for a speedy recovery

  56. Mother Lode

    I am guessing Waters considers the Bible a ‘living’ document in the same sense as the constitution: Whatever you want it to mean that is what it says. If what you want is not explicitly stated then that is just because the authors did not consider that exact specific case, so it is up to you to decide what they would have wanted for them.

    Waters would be sure that if abortion was ‘safe and freely available’ in Biblical times, Jesus would have been all for it.

  57. JC

    The poor old dude is being hounded by his greedy children. What a sad story.

    Buzz Aldrin has walked on the moon and received the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Korean War and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. At 88, the former astronaut has visited the White House to discuss space exploration, and envisions humans living on Mars.

    His legacy in space is secure. On earth it’s another matter.

    Col. Aldrin is grounded in a legal fight with two of his adult children and a former business manager, who he says are trying to grab his legacy and money.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/buzz-aldrin-fights-family-for-control-of-his-space-legacy-1529872576

  58. MichelLasouris

    There’s one aspect of Petrol prices in Australia that I never see comment on. Just how many vehicles on Australia’s roads are owned by Companies as part of employee remuneration. Most, if not all of these vehicles are repaired and fuelled at the employers expense, so the vehicle drivers don’t give a stuff as to how much the fuel costs. and fill up wherever it is convenient; totally irrespective of the cost.
    My point is that this fact has not escaped the Suppliers who ( apart from “cheap Mondays” here) push the price as hard as they can. Why wouldn’t they? But remember, the money that they can screw out of Company managed vehicles ends up on the bills we all pay for everything.
    Can anybody put a number, (or percentage) on how many cars are “company owned and operated”?

  59. cuckoo

    So much for privacy.
    What’s the bet it will only be used to ID men. Most likely those without a tan.

    Maybe this will play out like Rob Hulls’ ‘defensive homicide’ law which was intended to allow women to kill their husbands but escape a murder conviction, but ended up being used almost solely by men who had killed other men. If enough men make applications, it will be quietly disappeared.

  60. cuckoo

    Col. Aldrin is grounded in a legal fight with two of his adult children and a former business manager, who he says are trying to grab his legacy and money.

    Three options:
    1. Punch them.
    2. Lure them into the airlock then evacuate it.
    3. Nuke them from orbit.

  61. johanna

    Get yourself a couple of chooks, Johanna.
    Trust me, you’ll notice the difference.

    memoryvault, you old hippie, no way. I know of what I speak, having lived with chooks.

    They are unreliable as a source of eggs, crap everywhere, and attract rats and foxes.

    There are many tests that demonstrate the consumers can’t tell the difference between farmed eggs and ‘organic’ ones.

    The main difference is that you are a lot less likely to get sick from farmed eggs, when they are sold to eateries.

  62. zyconoclast

    Project 84 – stop 84 men committing suicide every week

    Suicide is not only gender-defined with 75% of British suicides being male but also age-defined, with it being the biggest single killer of men aged under 45.

    Its only men so who cares.

  63. Mother Lode

    Its only men so who cares.

    Must be all that privilege we keep hearing about.

  64. memoryvault, you old hippie, no way.

    Ah, but Johanna, you haven’t seen or tasted my eggs.
    And there are design methods to eliminate the other issues you mention.

    .
    That aside, did you notice I’m wearing shoes today?

  65. Delta A

    Hey, MV, nice shoes! Tell us about them.

  66. Baldrick

    Inconvenient news you won’t find on TheirABC:

    Australia’s highest weather station is having its coldest start to winter in 18 years based on maximum temperatures.
    Thredbo Top Station in NSW sits at 1,957 metres above sea level, making it the highest Automatic Weather Station operated by the Bureau of Meteorology on the Australian continent.
    The average maximum temperature at Thredbo Top Station during the first 24 days of this month was just 0.3 degrees. This is 1.4 degrees below average for this time of year and makes this the site’s coldest start to winter since 2000.
    It may not come as a surprise that Thredbo Top Station has also registered the lowest daytime maximum temperature in Australia so far during 2018, climbing to just minus 4.5 degrees on June 16th.

  67. Hey, MV, nice shoes! Tell us about them.

    Not really new. Delta – I’ve had them for over four years. But they’ve hardly been worn. Soon after purchase my progressive heart problems led to fluid retention, which led to my feet swelling up like balloons. For the last four years I’ve been limited to a pair of loose slippers.

    Today I put on s pair real shoes for the first time in four years.
    I feel like a grown-up again.

  68. johanna

    Helen is an ornament to this site.

    Notice that the micro-dicks who say that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote are washing their hair today.

  69. JC

    LOl

    Gov. Mike Huckabee
    ‏Verified account @GovMikeHuckabee

    Nancy Pelosi introduces her campaign committee for the take back of the House.

    DNC and Nancy Pelosi announce the 2018 D’rat committee.

    and the new campign look for 2018.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgZ1tvKW4AAImun.jpg

  70. Tom

    I bought two pairs of shoes today — the slip-ons I had thought would do and, having ditched them by lunchtime, the loafers with the proper heels my feet need. Nothing special — $30 at K-Mart. But, boy, do you know it when your shoes ain’t right. #Spacechook.

  71. Delta A

    Good news, MV. Sounds as though your heart health is definitely improving.

  72. Tintarella di Luna

    Today I put on s pair real shoes for the first time in four years.</blockquote

    The absolute wonder of the smallest things showing great progress. Great news, shoes are some of my favourite things

  73. Thank you Delta and Tinta (that sounds rather kinky).
    I’ve decided not to kill Winston after all.

  74. thefrolickingmole

    A freaky and lucky weekend here, had one of our families have a nasty rollover (100kpm on gravel), Prados a write off but rollbars and seatbelts on mum and 3 kids saved everybody from serious injury.

    A busy night had doing obs and stuff, but family were extremely lucky.

  75. 100 klm an hour on gravel?
    With three kids in the car??

  76. Tel

    Australia’s biggest online doctor’s appointment booking service, HealthEngine, has funnelled hundreds of users’ private medical information to law firms seeking clients for personal injury claims.

    As I’ve mentioned here at other times, in many cases the exact same medical procedure can be charged at approx double price when the invoice goes to worker’s comp insurance. Just about all medical providers are highly enthusiastic about pushing people to make claims, so they can go out to the old cash register and give a healthy punch on the ka-ching button.

    This price duality is rarely spoken about in the debate on health costs.

  77. C.L.

    What has Helen’s excellent and informative post about cattle got to do with women’s suffrage?

    Seriously?

    If you were forced to connect the subjects, you’d probably end up concluding that the irrationality she laments would not exist but for the fact that millions of urban women now entitled to vote regard the whole industry as yucky and its operators as meanies.

  78. Mother Lode

    Australia’s highest weather station is having its coldest start to winter in 18 years based on maximum temperatures.

    Ah, but wait until the data has been ‘adjusted’ – it will be the hottest winter EVAH!

    Temperatures are notorious for scientific illiteracy – always selfishly going about their own way, never getting the bigger picture like social justice, gender theory or political economy.

  79. C.L.

    Slip-ons, Tom?
    What next? Tracksuit pants in public?
    It’s a slippery slope, my friend.

  80. Baldrick

    100 klm an hour on gravel?
    With three kids in the car??

    You obviously haven’t spent much time out of suburbia MV.

  81. OldOzzie

    Open-border propagandists exploit children in fake images – Jennifer Oriel

    The battle over border security is intensifying as migration activists go on the offensive. Recent research illustrates the deep divide between open-border activists and democratic citizens on the size and profile of immigration into Western countries.

    The resurgent belief that democratic governments should govern in the national interest has caused a moral panic among big-migration and refugee advocates.

    They are resorting to desperate measures. The use of children for porous-border propaganda is a sign of the times.

    Two polls that shocked the ­nation showed Australians dislike policy that puts foreign interests before the national interest. Almost half (49 per cent) of people responding to an Essential poll in 2016 wanted to ban Muslim immigration. Many respondents cited Muslims’ lack of integration into Australian society as their reason.

    A majority of Australians wants less immigration overall, according to research published recently by the Australian Population Research Institute. Researchers found that 54 per cent of people surveyed wanted a reduction in the migrant intake. By contrast, 60 per cent of candidates at the 2016 federal election wanted to increase immigration. The figure rose to 67 per cent for Labor candidates

    Among the people most removed from public opinion are the opinion-makers; 72 per cent of arts and media ­professionals want to increase ­immigration.

    As public opinion turns against the politically correct media, journalists are taking more extreme measures to enforce their world view. A disturbing trend is the use of children to turn public opinion against secure borders.

    Picture this: a toddler in the borderlands screams as US border patrol frisks her mother. Her face is upturned and desperate. The heart-wrenching image is splashed across global media. The scarlet letter press declares US President Donald Trump and nationalists guilty without trial.

    It was an encore performance by journalists, who thrilled at the chance to vilify patriots. And it was fake news — again. Getty Images photographer John Moore captured the moment that provoked a global outcry. The news went viral after the sobbing child photo was linked to Trump’s plan to separate children from immigrant parents in detention.

    The front cover of Time magazine featured an illustration of the President towering over the crying toddler with the caption “Welcome to America”. It was conceptually clever, but political overkill. Trump’s base already was moving against his proposal to separate children from parents who had ­entered the country illegally.

    The fiercest backlash against the President’s proposal came from Christians and conservatives for whom the sanctity of the family comes second only to God. The image appalled conservative Republicans. Evangelicals denounced him. Former first ladies lined up in defence of the rights of the child. Melania Trump took a public stand against her husband. By the time the photo of Yanela Sanchez was exposed as fake news — she had not been removed from her mother at the border — Trump had ditched his ill-advised plan. However, an intransigent problem remains. The powerful political effect of images depicting children as victims creates a perverse incentive for more.

    An increasing number of children is being used for political purposes. Before Yanela, there were the children in steel cages. Jon Fav­reau, who worked as a speechwriter for Barack Obama, retweeted a story with a photo ­supposedly showing immigrant children in detention under the Trump administration. Social media erupted in rage before the truth came out; the photo was taken while Obama was president.

    This month, migrant activists used another kid in a cage for political effect. This time, I believe the production of the image bordered on child exploitation. The photo depicting a little boy crying with his face pressed against a wire cage was circulated on social media. CNN reported that journalist and filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas posted the photo on Twitter, saying: “This is what happens when a government believes people are ­‘illegal’. Kids in cages.”

    After Vargas posted the image on Facebook, it reportedly received almost 10,000 shares. However, the crying child used as proof that secure borders harmed youth was in the cage courtesy of open-border activists. The photos were taken at a protest against the use of secure facilities to process migrants. The sobbing toddler stuck in a cage with his brother was photographed by Leroy Pena, head of the Brown Berets in Dallas-Fort Worth. Pena wrote on Facebook: “This was part of our protest yesterday, but this is actually going on right now, at this very moment, in child detention centres throughout the country.” He later defended the use of the child and said the little boy was crying only because he saw his mother outside the cage.

    In the recent history of child pawns used for open-border propaganda, there are few more shocking cases than that of Alan Kurdi. Images of the drowned child went viral. Like the photo of Yanela, the image of Alan provoked the most primal maternal instinct to protect a child from harm. The outrage seemed justified. His father, Abdullah Kurdi, stated the family was seeking asylum when their boat engine failed and Alan drowned. Activists claimed the boy was a victim of Western cruelty to refugees. They demanded the abolition of secure-border policy. The truth about a little boy’s terrible death was lost in the noise of activists clamouring for a cause. It came to light after people on the same boat as the Kurdi family identified Abdullah Kurdi as the captain. The boy was a victim of people-smugglers.

    The demise of the democratic world is empowered by an activist class that seeks to introduce ­porous-border policy without democratic consent. In reaction to popular revolt against rule from above, activists have sunk to a new low: using children for propaganda.

    Open-border activists push children to the frontline of border wars, then feign shock when innocents die. Australia signed the UN protocol on child soldiers in 2002. The UN opposed the use of children in armed conflicts, but it tolerates the abuse of children for political conflicts. It doesn’t matter whether the exploitation of children comes from the political left or right. It must stop.

  82. Temperatures are notorious for scientific illiteracy – always selfishly going about their own way, never getting the bigger picture like social justice, gender theory or political economy.

    We obviously need more female thermometers.

    Affirmative action is required.

  83. Des Deskperson

    ‘ Just how many vehicles on Australia’s roads are owned by Companies as part of employee remuneration’

    Well, every senior APS employee – that’s those with a base salary of around $150,000 or more – is entitled to a vehicle for their personal use in addition to their base salary. Unless things have changed recently, this entitlement includes, for all practical purposes, unlimited mileage .

    I assume that near identical benefits apply to all senior public servants in every Australian jurisdiction as well as in government business enterprises.

    Public servants at middle or even junior levels who use government cars for their work are usually entitled to ‘home garage’ them. I dunno about other jurisdictions, but in the ACT this gives them the same practical entitlements to a government car use as their senior bosses.

    It is interesting, is it not, that the people monitoring and advising government on petrol prices almost never have to pay for their own petrol.

  84. thefrolickingmole

    100 klm an hour on gravel?
    With three kids in the car??

    Pretty ordinary, but its the usual problem here, road is too good.

    Every time the council does an excellent job grading the roads some turkey drives off it again.

    A couple of years ago it was 3 in 2 weeks, all with severe injuries, so happy this one turned out well.

  85. Des Deskperson

    ‘Ah, but Johanna, you haven’t seen or tasted my eggs.’

    Now that does sound kinky!!

  86. OldOzzie

    ROBERT GOTTLIEBSEN
    Why many retirees fear for the future

    For the last four weeks I have been holidaying in Scotland and Norway, where I encountered a lot of Australians who self fund their retirement.

    Once the conversation moved from the latest scenic encounter, I discovered a combination of anger, frustration and a fear of the future—a deep emotion that I have never previously encountered on a widespread basis.

    Accordingly, those businesses that rely on the spending of self-funded retirees need to understand that the game has changed.

    But first, a thank you to those who congratulated me for receiving the Order of Australia in the Queen’s Birthday honours list. I was humbled.

    In recent years spending by self-funded retirees has been strong and been a big contributor to tourism and the support of charities.

    A great many retirees are now cutting back and some cruise operators in the up-market areas are reporting a 25 to 30 per cent fall in advance bookings and unheard-of cancellation rates, despite the consequent deposit losses.

    Retailers in that sector will also notice the difference. Centrelink pensioners and those enjoying bonanza public service pensions are not affected. It’s those who sacrificed their living standards in past years to put money away for retirement that the politicians are targeting.

    Among the self-funded retirees the most deep-seated anger is directed towards the Coalition, which retrospectively savaged retirement planning and broke all the previously established rules of government.

    It’s not what the self-funded retirement community expected from the conservative forces in the government.

    Having said that, they have adapted, which is why they are travelling overseas. Some are running down their retirement savings to greatly increase their dependence on the government pension. They hate doing it but we have a government that thinks little about the long-term implications of what it did.

    Had the ALP said they would make no further changes, the retirement community might have supported them in droves.

    Instead the ALP decided that if it was good enough for the Coalition to kick the sector it should join the party, so launched an all-out assault on self-managed fund funds in pension mode with assets roughly between around $400,000 and $800,000, reserving a special kick for retiring small entrepreneurs.

    Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen believes there are big sums to be harvested but I don’t think he understands the retirement community and in my view he is simply wrong.

    Indeed an angry retirement community is already carefully planning strategies to make sure the ALP does not harvest their franking entitlements.

    People I spoke to will bring their children into their fund to take advantage of a planned loophole that has been set up to enable large superannuation funds, including industry funds, to use the taxable income of those fund members NOT in pension mode to offset the franking credits of those in pension mode. If an ALP government tries to block children being incorporated into self-managed funds it will endanger the planned industry fund strategies. Others hope to delegate their Australian equity management to the large funds. It might work. Yet others will change their investment strategies.

    These people are in their 60s and 70s and they planned their retirement decades ago in line with the rules of the day. The self-funded retirees will adapt but it’s much harder for the retiring entrepreneurs who used their accumulated tax-paid profits to fund their business.

    When they sell the business, or just close it down, they aimed to pay out the accumulated profits in fully-franked dividends. As they have no other income, Bill Shorten and Bowen have them in a headlock.

    And this could be a trigger for a much wider attack on pensioners.

    And assuming the ALP wins the next election (and that is not a prediction but merely an assumption), in my view it will soon discover its sums are wrong. To cover the shortfall it may to attack the government pension community.

    Perhaps illogically, in the eyes of the retirement community it’s not just the politicians who have them in the gun.

    The Reserve Bank has lowered official interest rates to help young people, leaving the elderly relying on bank deposits for income to suffer. That pushed many into bank shares and their high dividends. Now we have a royal commission into the banks. The consequent fall in bank shares (plus Telstra) is another blow.

    At the same time medical costs are rising faster than inflation.

    It’s true the dwellings of self-funded retirees have increased in value, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, but there is a shortage of apartments of a reasonable size so many are staying put rather than downsizing to release cash.

    Meanwhile those rely on their parents for the education of grandchildren and other handouts are now feeling nervous because of the fear building up among their parents.

    One day a group of politicians will decide that there are family votes to be gained. Although the Coalition is tarnished, a solemn promise of no more blows might help, given the ALP is thirsting for more retiree blood. Minor parties are winning votes in Europe. The same thing may happen here.

  87. You obviously haven’t spent much time out of suburbia MV.

    Wanna bet?

  88. Tom

    I bought a new pair of tracky daks as well, CL.

  89. Minor parties are winning votes in Europe. The same thing may happen here.

    A chance in the senate. The uniparty will hold in the lower house.
    I pray* that LNP defectors and various non-lefties hold sway in the senate.

    * Dont think it will hapenn.

  90. Gab

    Wonder how Classical Hero is faring? Probaby lounging in bed, the lazy man. 😁

  91. rickw

    100 klm an hour on gravel?
    With three kids in the car??

    Confession time: I used to drive an old FB with a 202 home from the bus stop at over 100km/hr rain hail or shine on a gravel road, with my three siblings in it. Required a delicate touch and never going near the brakes. Oh, underage and unlicensed driver to. In Majuro naturally!

  92. calli

    Did you get a matching flannie Tom?

  93. Delta A

    the irrationality she laments would not exist but for the fact that millions of urban women now entitled to vote regard the whole industry as yucky and its operators as meanies.

    Not limited entirely to women, C.L.

    Evidently, you didn’t read yesterday the trolls’ take on live exports. They speak for many Beta men.

  94. H B Bear

    I see that just as carbon dioxide is now universally referred to as carbon illegal immigration is now simply immigration. Sixty Africans floating around in the Med on a giant Zodiac are now simply the equivalent to some poor sap who has submitted 30 pages of paperwork to the embassy.

    This is why the Left keeps marching along, they simply re-write the language. Exactly as Orwell explained.

  95. Rae

    I bought a new pair of tracky daks as well, CL.

    I thought you would wear apartment pants, Tom.

  96. Delta A

    I bought a new pair of tracky daks as well, CL.

    Onya, Tom!

    Always escalate. 🙂

  97. Delta A

    Wonder how Classical Hero is faring?

    Gab, read upthread. He’s Cat posting already.

  98. Tom

    “Flannie”, Calli? Never heard of it. The only thing a Mexican would use a “flannie” (flannel) for would be to wash the car if you didn’t have a chamois.

  99. Baldrick

    Did you buy then in K-mart Majuro Tom?

  100. jupes

    The resurgent belief that democratic governments should govern in the national interest

    Consider that for a moment.

    At some point governments actually stopped governing in the national interest. Of course they never announced they were doing it in those terms but that is exactly what happened.

    RET, Muslim immigration, Paris Accord, donating money to the Palestinian Authority. How does any of that benefit Australia?

    It is actually worse than that. Any leader who does govern in their country’s interest is immediately pilloried. There is no chance Australia will elect one in the near future.

  101. H B Bear

    A freaky and lucky weekend here, had one of our families have a nasty rollover (100kpm on gravel), Prados a write off but rollbars and seatbelts on mum and 3 kids saved everybody from serious injury.

    Every Monday morning there would be a new rolled vehicle at the Tom Price servo as someone came to grief on the surrounding roads over the weekend. Part of the trouble is with modern air-conditioned cars with the windows wound up you don’t have the same sense of speed as bouncing around in an old Landrover sucking in dust. Some harmonic motion on the corrugations and suddenly you have a real problem.

  102. This is why the Left keeps marching along, they simply re-write the language.

    It’s not that they rewrite the language, it’s that conservative people (the “silent majority”), not only let them, but happily use the Left’s bastardised terms – including people here. How many Cats continually referred to Ross Ward as “Roz” or”she”, for instance? Not that long ago to say someone was a discriminating person was a compliment, and I’ve stopped bothering trying to explain what being a “libertarian” actually means.

  103. JC

    Notice that the micro-dicks who say that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote are washing their hair today.

    Johanna, as usual is off the mark. The female vote policy we worked up at the Cat, doesn’t suggest every woman would be banned. We figured there would be honorary status granted to women of intellect or accomplishment. In other words, these smart and accomplished ladies would be extended the status of honorary men.
    Obviously, someone like Johanna, who is a former taxeater and stark raving loon, wouldn’t even be close to being extended the right to vote.

    As we discussed one time, consideration for the female vote would be like getting acceptance to Harvard or Yale. Only about 5% of applicants make it. In fact, it would more like MIT, with only 3% acceptance.

    Johanna, like other frightbats, such as Clem Ford seems to have an creepy obsession with penis sizes. They’re always talking about it.

  104. JC

    What has Helen’s excellent and informative post about cattle got to do with women’s suffrage?

    Zero. Helen would obviously be extended the right to vote. But that aside, I became a little curious as to the origin of the word, “suffrage”, because I suspected early 19C feminist Nazis purloined the historical meaning of the word like fags stole the word m “gay’. Sure enough they did.

    late Middle English (in the sense ‘intercessory prayers’, also ‘assistance’): from Latin suffragium, reinforced by French suffrage . The modern sense of ‘right to vote’ was originally US (dating from the late 18th century).

  105. Snoopy

    Some harmonic motion on the corrugations and suddenly you have a real problem.

    Obviously not going fast enough.

  106. Delta A

    How many Cats continually referred to Ross Ward as “Roz” or”she”

    Don’t want to raise your blood pressure, MV, but that’s not a good example.

    Most Cats (apart from the Beta Boy trolls) refer to him as Ross, just as they correctly call ‘Cate’ Mcgregor “Malcolm”.

    We’re not sucked in by ‘Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome’.

  107. OldOzzie

    #MeToo takes its toll on office relations

    Concerns are emerging that the #MeToo movement is curtailing the willingness of men to mentor and work alone with female colleagues, a trend that could harm women’s ability to get ahead in the workplace.

    Evidence that office relations between men and women are coming under pressure comes as Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins finalises her plans for a national inquiry into workplace sexual harassment.

    Ms Jenkins said she was not looking to conduct public hearings when the 12-month inquiry gets underway. Instead men and women will be encouraged to make submissions, which will be kept confidential but may be published with the permission of the author.

    “We are not looking to run a royal commission or a court-type process,” Ms Jenkins said. The inquiry, a world-first, will examine the prevalence and economic impact of sexual harassment on victims’ careers and industry.

    Ms Jenkins said she expected that both sexes would come forward with instances where they have been subjected to suggestive jokes, intrusive questions about their private life, inappropriate staring, or worse.

    “The issue isn’t only men harassing women and it isn’t only women being harassed,” Ms Jenkins said. “We are not looking for villains,” she said.

    A survey by an online mentoring platform, Art of Mentoring, found that the proportion of men who felt uncomfortable working alone with a female colleague had surged to 15 per cent from 7 per cent since the launch of #MeToo, an international movement against sexual harassment and assault.

    The proportion of men who said they felt uncomfortable attending evening work events with a female colleague had risen to 13 per cent from 7 per cent, while the proportion of men who felt uncomfortable mentoring a female colleague doubled to 6 per cent.

    By contrast, women reported that in most cases they felt more comfortable with working alone with men or socialising with them.

    Art of Mentoring managing director Melissa Richardson warned that any change in male attitudes towards working with women would hinder women and their ability to get ahead in the workplace.

    “There are many things men and women need to do together. [If that doesn’t occur] you are potentially reducing opportunities for women in the workplace. It’s terrible for their careers,” Ms Richardson said.

    “Women could miss out on mentoring opportunities. And career building opportunities often happen outside the day to day activities [in the office]. That’s often when decisions about who gets promoted are made, and when deals get done,” she said.

    As a result, the Art of Mentoring executive said she feared there may be unintended consequences from the national inquiry into workplace harassment.

    “We have got to get the message out that men and women need to continue to work together,” she said.

    Ms Jenkins, a lawyer by training, said men and women who had experienced sexual harassment were free to make a submission to the national inquiry, which is expected to cost $900,000, or make a formal complaint to the sex discrimination commission, or both.

    As part of her investigation, Ms Jenkins will consider the adequacy of existing laws that make sexual harassment unlawful at work before making a series of recommendations to the government by August 2019.

    Ms Jenkins said she would consider “all options in terms of legal avenues”, including the possibility of criminal penalties for offenders.

    More than 20 per cent of people aged over 15 in Australia have been sexually harassed, with 68 per cent of those cases in the workplace.

  108. Dr Fred Lenin

    All the contrive lying hype about climate chang has a major problem , the actual weather doesn’t take a bit of notice of the lies , it just keeps doing what it’s been doing for millions af years ,must be frustrating for the carpetbaggers .

  109. H B Bear

    Obviously not going fast enough.

    Never had that option in my first car – Daihatsu F20. Might have got to 80 kph downhill with a tail wind.

  110. egg_

    Pete the Pup

    Got me reading about Our Gang, Peggy Cartwright being an original cast member and lead a long and interesting life, marrying black actor and WWI Veteran William “Bill” Walker (the Preacher in To Kill a Mockingbird).

  111. JC

    and I’ve stopped bothering trying to explain what being a “libertarian” actually means.

    Obviously, the medics weren’t able to prevent or stent the Carotid artery blockage to the brain, because he seems as hallucinatory as ever. My medical opinion is the operation is therefore a failure.

  112. H B Bear

    “We are not looking to run a royal commission or a court-type process,” Ms Jenkins said.

    Of course you’re not Dear. It will be a forum for untested hearsay and an open-ended fishing expedition.

  113. Tel

    We obviously need more female thermometers.

    Affirmative action is required.

    If you have not yet watched the Steve Goddard video, he demonstrates that the adjustments applied to the US temperature data correlate strongly with measured atmospheric CO2.

    The more you think about it, the more surprising that result really is. I’m sure you can find the video with a bit of a search, he goes through his background, methodology, etc.

  114. rickw

    More than 20 per cent of people aged over 15 in Australia have been sexually harassed, with 68 per cent of those cases in the workplace.

    For both sexes, the vast majority of this used to be known as “being cracked on to”.

  115. JC

    On the subject of medicine.

    This would have required medical intervention, no? Surely!

    Brigitte Nielsen says she has given birth at age 54.

    The model, actress and reality star and her 39-year-old husband Mattia Dessi released a statement to People magazine Saturday saying their daughter Frida was born Friday in Los Angeles and weighed 5 pounds, 9 ounces (2.3 kilograms).

    It’s the fifth child but first daughter for Nielsen, who has four adult sons from previous marriages. She married Dessi, her fifth husband, in 2006.

    In a statement, the couple said, “We are overjoyed to welcome our beautiful daughter into our lives,” and “it’s been a long road, and so worth it.”

    Nielsen revealed her exceptionally late-in-life pregnancy last month by posting photos of herself lounging with hands on her belly on Instagram and Twitter, saying the family is getting larger.

  116. We’re not sucked in by ‘Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome’.

    Sorry Delta, but the rose coloured glasses aren’t a good fit. “Roz” (and “Cate” or “Kaitlyn”) are used here far more often than Ross or Malcolm. No Cat would compliment another by referring to them as “discriminating”, and “libertarian” is used as an insult describing left-wing, socialist wackos.

    Yes, that’s here on the Cat.

  117. DrBeauGan

    Ms Jenkins said she expected that both sexes would come forward with instances where they have been subjected to suggestive jokes, intrusive questions about their private life, inappropriate staring, or worse.

    Does inappropriate staring count if it’s at videos on the Çat?

  118. JC

    Does inappropriate staring count if it’s at videos on the Çat?

    It does if the vids are from Netflix. It now has a 5 second rule. Netflix management considers inappropriate if you stare at anyone for longer than 5 seconds

  119. calli

    “Flannie”, Calli? Never heard of it.

    Heh. Before the rise of wall-to-wall hi-viz, the flannie (or flanelette shirt) was standard winter workwear. Combined with trackydaks and beanie (sans bobble).

  120. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It’s the fifth child but first daughter for Nielsen, who has four adult sons from previous marriages. She married Dessi, her fifth husband, in 2006.

    There’s something seriously wrong with that.

  121. JC

    Flannie?

    That’s just got me thinking. Fault was the first flannery. He was flannerizing in his “newsletter” in the 80s, when Flannery was still at school.

  122. Delta A

    Brigitte Nielsen says she has given birth at age 54.

    She will be 70 when the girlfriends (and boyfriends) turn up for a sleepover.

    I love it when my Granddaughters rock up with all their hangers-on. Such good fun. So much food!

    I’ll make the salad.

    Pushing 70, I don’t do teenage-cleaning-up anymore.

  123. Senile Old Guy

    Concerns are emerging that the #MeToo movement is curtailing the willingness of men to mentor and work alone with female colleagues, a trend that could harm women’s ability to get ahead in the workplace.

    Surprise! Bagging all men, and ignoring female actions, causes men to not want to work with women! Only leftists would be surprised.

  124. JC

    Delta

    Surely it’s no longer possible for a woman to get naturally pregnant ( god, I hate that word) at 54. Even then the kid could end up with all sorts of trouble like having a couple of heads and 6 arms.

  125. Bad Samaritan

    OldOzzie (4.37pm). I reckon you, and they (the Self Funded Retirees) are getting this all wrong.

    The main point of stacking away the dough for the twilight years is to have the resources to enjoy your retirement by splashing out when you feel like it.

    OK, so many Centrelink pensioners are sitting around, living hand to mouth and wondering if they’ll ever get to go on a long ocean cruise, or a train ride in Canada, or to visit the kids in the UK or whatever ’cause they’ve got no dough. All those funeral insurance ads are for them because $5000 is a lot of money. Who cares if they get more income, when they are now stuck in a drip-drip-drip existence?

    Meanwhile Robert Gottliebsen is meeting loads of well-heeled SF Retirees swanning around and worrying about trifles? Nah, they have it so much better than the now-poverty-stricken purely- Centrelink brigade who blew it all on pubs and TABS and ciggies all those years ago.

    Don’t become a whinger. Self-funded is the way to go!

    BTW: You can still have a couple of hundred grand in cash, or cash-like assets while getting quite a bit from Centrelink (currently couple together nearly $600,000 and still a full pension), so what’s the big deal?

  126. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Delta and Tinta (that sounds rather kinky).
    I’ve decided not to kill Winston after all.

    Only when it comes to stilettos memoryvault – I don’t think you’re recovered enough yet memoryvault — and I applaud your decision vis a vis Winston.

  127. Spider

    Institute of Sustainable Future clean energy advocate on The a Drum repeating the renewables are cheaper than coal fired generation mantra.

    Peter Harcher defers to the “expert” because he doesn’t have a clue.

    Where do they get the data from to support these statements?

  128. JC

    Where do they get the data from to support these statements?

    They don’t have any data to support their assertion so they’re either lying or having a religious experience.

  129. BrettW

    Made the mistake of turning on 2nd half of The Drum. Renewables cheap and wonderful. Coal bad bad bad. Naturally the panel in agreement.

    Now onto the evil Trump.

  130. Confused Old Misfit

    We figured there would be honorary status granted to women of intellect or accomplishment. In other words, these smart and accomplished ladies would be extended the status of honorary men.

    And any gal who can work a cutting horse & train a working dog should be there too.

  131. DrBeauGan

    Institute of Sustainable Future clean energy advocate on The a Drum repeating the renewables are cheaper than coal fired generation mantra.

    At some point, someone quite dumb will innocently ask the question, if renewables are cheaper than coal, how come my electricity bill has doubled?

  132. Only when it comes to stilettos memoryvault

    There’s nothing kinky about stilettos, Tinta. In fact they should be compulsory for female office workers, like steel-capped boots are compulsory on worksites.

    Hopefully Winston will be happy about it too. I guess I owe him an apology.

  133. Tel

    Heh. Before the rise of wall-to-wall hi-viz, the flannie (or flanelette shirt) was standard winter workwear. Combined with trackydaks and beanie (sans bobble).

    Young men could buy half a dozen Jordan Peterson books about room cleaning and surviving in the world of lethal modern feminism, and maybe after that gain sufficient psychological insight and astute character judgement to be able to recognize a good woman in a crowd of bad ones.

    There’s a faster way than all that.

    Learn a handful of simple screening questions such as “Woz a flannie?” and “Gisatinnie wooja?”

  134. OldOzzie

    Bad Samaritan
    #2746739, posted on June 25, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    OldOzzie (4.37pm). I reckon you, and they (the Self Funded Retirees) are getting this all wrong.

    The main point of stacking away the dough for the twilight years is to have the resources to enjoy your retirement by splashing out when you feel like it.

    Sums me up to a T – will always be a Self Funded Retiree

  135. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/faeces-thrown-over-fremantle-monument-hill-war-memorial-ng-b88877183z

    Lest we forget, eh? Even Fremantle cops should be able to catch this dropkick.

  136. Eyrie

    Went to the local Woolies today for the first time since the plastic bag ban. Signs saying “single use plastic bag free”. Funny I didn’t see any free bags. False advertising?
    Anyway all the checkouts were congested at 3pm on Monday when all the yummy mummies are picking up the sprogs. Nice own goal Woolies. Will the fuckwit in charge please commit Seppuku now?
    Would have been cheaper to simply buy some Queensland pollies, Woolies. They come cheap.

  137. Tintarella di Luna

    In fact they should be compulsory for female office workers

    I wholeheartedly agree and I do my bit memoryvault

  138. Delta A

    Only when it comes to stilettos memoryvault

    Happy for you to wear the stilettos, Tinta.

    I bags the Homy Peds.

  139. Confused Old Misfit

    Senator @corybernardi will front the @QandA ‘Lefty Lynch Mob’ next Monday 2 July in #Melbourne – find out more, including how to register, here https://www.conservatives.org.au/bernardi_to_front_q_a_s_lefty_lynch_mob … #auspol #tcot #theirABC #abetterway

    They’ll cut him to ribbons. I wish it could be otherwise but I’m very much afraid it will be a bloodbath. He’s not a Trump.

  140. Snoopy

    Horny Peds? You can have them, Delta.

  141. Snoopy

    Bernardi needs to get some coaching from Latham.

  142. egg_

    frightbats, such as Clem Ford seems to have an creepy obsession with penis sizes.

    They probably shrink as soon as she comes near.

  143. Confused Old Misfit

    Bernardi needs to get some coaching from Latham.

    Would be a good start Snoopy.

  144. Tintarella di Luna

    Happy for you to wear the stilettos, Tinta.
    I bags the Homy Peds.

    Delta A , thank you, you obviously know how vertically challenged I am

  145. Tel

    Lest we forget, eh? Even Fremantle cops should be able to catch this dropkick.

    Clearly insane. Thinks he’s a pigeon.

  146. Tintarella di Luna

    Brawling inmates injure Vic prison staff
    CHRISTINE MCGINNAustralian Associated Press5:15PM June 25, 2018
    Five staff at a Victorian youth justice centre have been injured as they tried to tear apart fighting inmates involved in a “vicious attack”.
    Three male inmates began brawling at the Malmsbury Youth Justice Centre, northwest of Melbourne, about 9.30am on Monday, with five staff receiving minor injuries as they intervened, police said.

    Four people were treated at the scene by paramedics and two were taken to hospital in Bendigo in a stable condition.

    The man and woman, aged in their 50s and 30s respectively, have since been discharged.

    A Department of Justice and Regulation spokesperson said five staff members received medical treatment. It is understood two staff suffered facial injuries from the incident.

    “Violent behaviour or assaults by young people in custody is absolutely unacceptable, and the safety of our staff, young people and the community is of utmost importance,” the spokesperson told AAP.

    Victoria Police was alerted to the incident but was not required to intervene, the department said.
    Community and Public Sector Union spokesman Julian Kennelly applauded the effort and bravery of staff who intervened in the “vicious assault”.

    “Thankfully we now have fully-staffed emergency response … not like the old days,” he told AAP.
    “Our thoughts, like all their colleagues, are with the injured workers.”
    The CPSU will visit the site on Tuesday for an incident debrief.
    Police are investigating.

    The Daniel Andrews simple solution will be to empty the youff detention centre immediately.

  147. JC

    They probably shrink as soon as she comes near.

    Lol.

  148. DrBeauGan

    Tel
    #2746765, posted on June 25, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    Lest we forget, eh? Even Fremantle cops should be able to catch this dropkick.

    Clearly insane. Thinks he’s a pigeon.

    But shouldn’t we be supportive? Shouldn’t we be throwing him corn or biscuits or something? * Building him a birdbath?

    *BoN would know.

  149. nemkat

    Surely it’s no longer possible for a woman to get naturally pregnant ( god, I hate that word) at 54. Even then the kid could end up with all sorts of trouble like having a couple of heads and 6 arms.

    Golfing great Sam Snead’s [b. 27th May 1912] parents were both born before the American Civil War, which makes his mother at least 51.
    Some women go through menopause in their 30s, some many years later.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    There’s nothing kinky about stilettos

    Heh.

    Man stabbed in the head with high heel during subway fight (Saturday)

    A steamed, stylish straphanger stabbed a stranger in the head with her high heel during a fight on the Lower East Side, police said Saturday.

    The victim, a 26-year-old man, got into an argument with a woman on a northbound F train heading toward Delancey St. just before 5 a.m. Friday, cops said.

  151. Nick

    He’s not a Trump.

    Agree.

  152. nemkat

    Sam Snead did have unusual anthropometry though.
    He could stand in a 2100 mm doorway with one foot on the floor and the other foot flat on the door frame above his head.

  153. Gab

    Onya, Hero. Now get back to work ! (Thanks, Delta)

  154. Farmer Gez

    Freezing mornings and dead calm days.
    How are those wind wonders fairing?
    Couldn’t power an electric blanket I bet.

  155. JC

    Numbnuts

    Birthdays in those days weren’t always accurate. 51 isn’t 54 and at that point in life, month’s would be very important.

    In any event, you had to go back to 1912 to somehow make an argument, which implies a natural pregnancy (yuck) is very very rare. STFU and get back in Garteooey’s basement. I promise, he’s not looking to skin you alive. 🙂

  156. zyconoclast

    Beer may lack fizz in Europe amid carbon dioxide shortage

    Gavin Partington, director-general of the British Soft Drinks Association, says the shortage is due to the closure of several production sites for various reasons, including seasonal maintenance. But industry publication Gasworld says the situation is worse this year because normal maintenance has coincided with technical issues at chemical plants that also produce carbon dioxide.

    That shortage comes just as the World Cup is getting underway in Russia, driving up demand for beer and soft drinks. The British Beer and Pub Association has predicted that England fans will drink an extra 14 million pints during the group stages of the tournament, which last about two weeks.

  157. old bloke

    What has Helen’s excellent and informative post about cattle got to do with women’s suffrage?

    Does anyone know why female suffrage (right to vote) is such an important topic when male suffrage was also a fairly recent event. There seems to be a belief that men held the exclusive right to vote from the time of Adam, whereas most men and women couldn’t vote. Universal male suffrage was introduced in South Australia first, sometime in the 1850’s, and the other states followed, up to the end of the 19th century.

    Prior to universal male and female suffrage, voting rights were restricted to land-owners only.

  158. JC

    egg_
    #2746762, posted on June 25, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    frightbats, such as Clem Ford seems to have an creepy obsession with penis sizes.

    They probably shrink as soon as she comes near.

    Egg, that got me thinking… again. Seeing Johanna raised ( I know) this, I think we should change her name to Shrinker from now on.

  159. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Prior to universal male and female suffrage, voting rights were restricted to land-owners only.

    maybe time to go full circle

  160. old bloke

    rickw
    #2746700, posted on June 25, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    Watch out Rick, Rae is on the phone already to the Majuro Police.

  161. JC

    Prior to universal male and female suffrage, voting rights were restricted to land-owners only.

    In the old days, when there were discussions like that at the Cat, we upgraded to the idea that it should include anyone not working for the government in predefined non-essential services or people not drawing on the government through welfare.

    The land owner thing was conceived when 70% of the population was on the farm.

  162. Gilas

    Thankyou Stackja. It was easier than I expected.

    Lingiari is the seat which includes Katherine and all NT except Darwin, these are the results from the 2013 election (after TLS’ intervention): the last number is the swing for each candidate:

    FLYNN, Peter Citizens Electoral Council 1,639 3.56 -0.31
    SHAW, Barbara Australian Greens 3,572 7.76 -4.83
    GOULD, Alf Independent 748 1.63 +1.63
    MacFARLANE, Tina Country Liberals (NT) 17,593 38.23 +3.97
    McCARTHY, Regina Rise Up Australia Party 917 1.99 +1.99
    HEDLAND, Trevor Palmer United Party 1,918 4.17 +4.17
    LECHLEITNER, Kenneth Immanuel A.F.N.P.P. 1,340 2.91 +2.91
    SNOWDON, Warren (Elected) ALP 18,292 39.75 -0.33

    Katherine has three booths in Lingiari, results for 2016 here
    Essentially, swings of -2.27%, +o.95% and -3.26 for Warren Snowdon, who was overwhelmingly elected in Lingiari anyway, with an unchanged primary vote.

    Democracy, good and hard, despite destructive government interference in normal people’s lives.
    As mentioned already, Australia is a nation of sheeples, who fully deserve the Canberran excrement piled on them.

    Larrikin spirit? What a joke!

  163. Eyrie

    Farmer Gez, check reneweconomy.com.au on the right side. Live generation. No wind in WA, Tas, Vic NSW and only a little in SA. No solar except in WA as the sun hasn’t quite gone down. Only reliable thing about solar is it doesn’t work when the sun don’t shine.
    LOL!

  164. Farmer Gez

    If there’s no wind to generate power, then what use is a battery attached to a wind farm?

  165. Eyrie

    ” If there’s no wind to generate power, then what use is a battery attached to a wind farm?”

    Yup.
    By my estimate, 0.6% or so of Australian electrical power is being produced by wind right now. What was the installed power capacity again? A quick search says 4.5 GW. So the 0.201 GW in SA now is about 4.5% of wind capacity.

  166. Baldrick

    Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Supercheapauto comes out in support of Red Hen:

    ABC The Drum ✔ @ABCthedrum
    “I can understand why the restaurant owner took a stand and why there would have been many people cheering her on. Although, it can be fraught territory if you start excluding people and not seek to engage the other side in political debate.”

  167. Eyrie

    Wind power – it’s dead, Jim.

  168. H B Bear

    Anyway all the checkouts were congested at 3pm on Monday when all the yummy mummies are picking up the sprogs. Nice own goal Woolies.

    Yep it is slow. Just had two of my green square bags die on my too – after a number of years though. Handles ripped through which is actually a surprise.

  169. nemkat

    The land owner thing was conceived when 70% of the population was on the farm.

    Nothing to do with farms.
    It was more like 80%, but very few of those were landowners.

  170. JC

    “I can understand why….

    That’s all good then. I too can also understand why people think fat lips should be deported, although that wouldn’t be fraught territory.

  171. Nick

    Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Supercheapauto comes out in support of Red Hen:

    Amazing. Had the victim been black or Asian, he’d be frothing. He’s a waste of skin.

  172. JC

    Fat lips really has a chip on his shoulder about white people.

  173. C.L.

    Ms Jenkins said she was not looking to conduct public hearings when the 12-month inquiry gets underway. Instead men and women will be encouraged to make submissions, which will be kept confidential but may be published with the permission of the author.

    LOL.

    Dear Human Rights Commission …
    This one time, at band camp …

  174. Cactus

    The reason Turnbull has not got a poll bounce from the tax cuts is the only people that could like it are taxpayers. When most people are no longer taxpayers – there is your problem…

  175. H B Bear

    Exactly CL. They might as well make it an on-line survey. Expect something like the uni [email protected] crisis result.

  176. Entropy

    Democracy, good and hard, despite destructive government interference in normal people’s lives.
    As mentioned already, Australia is a nation of sheeples, who fully deserve the Canberran excrement piled on them.

    Giles. You forgot to account for the local demographics which makes any policy changes about anything short of how soon the dole turns up irrelevant. The vast majority of the population is on welfare and could not care less what happens to the two, maybe three pastoral enterprises in the electorate.

  177. Entropy

    Actually I was wrong about the number of pastoral enterprises. There is about 180 pastoral leases in the NT, so, say about 100 pastoral enterprises, as some will have more than one lease. That would probably add up to 300 votes in the electorate total, and I doubt they had to change their vote to protest dopey Joe Ludwig.

  178. C.L.

    ABC The Drum ✔ @ABCthedrum
    “I can understand why the restaurant owner took a stand and why there would have been many people cheering her on. Although, it can be fraught territory if you start excluding people and not seek to engage the other side in political debate.”

    In other words, it’s usually a bad idea … unless you’re targeting whites.
    Note also that he encourages a woman to be thrown on to the street and targeted for abuse.
    I guess he missed last week’s moral panic about Eurydice Dixon.

  179. C.L.

    Speaking of the late Miss Dixon …

    Malcolm Turnbull calls for change of men’s hearts after rape and murder of Euridice Dixon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgI_3wkuJqk

    Speak for yourself, you loathsome asshole.

  180. Gilas

    Entropy
    #2746799, posted on June 25, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    I agree, if something as damaging as what TLS did produced no backlash at the site of the damage, when the memory was still fresh, this country’s truly f#ck$d.

  181. calli

    A steamed, stylish straphanger stabbed a stranger

    Gold!

  182. calli

    Malcolm Turnbull calls for change of men’s hearts after rape and murder of Euridice Dixon

    Clearly a temptation for him. Worrying.

  183. rickw

    A piece on one of the more subtle aspects of white genocide:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVk46xP5FQ

  184. C.L.

    The Nazi AMA is making a noise again today about banning sugar or something.
    It’s spokesman Tony Bertone was leading the putsch.
    Here he is – the face of mandatory holiness.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Farmer Gez

    #2746775, posted on June 25, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    Freezing mornings and dead calm days.
    How are those wind wonders fairing?
    Couldn’t power an electric blanket I bet.

    Drove past a wind “farm” in Western Victoria late this morning.
    20 – 30 fans.
    A study in still life.

  186. rickw

    Malcolm Turnbull calls for change of men’s hearts after rape and murder of Euridice Dixon

    Idiotic virtue signalling piece of shit.

  187. DrBeauGan

    Malcolm Turnbull calls for change of men’s hearts after rape and murder of Euridice Dixon

    What kind of morons buy into this bullshit?

  188. hzhousewife

    This would have required medical intervention, no? Surely!

    Brigitte Nielsen says she has given birth at age 54.

    In my family tree, the oldest mother was 52, but that was way back in 1870, I doubt there was much medical intervention then. Several others were merely 45 (having their 1oth and 12th children). Celebrate fecundity !

  189. mh

    The strategic blunder of ‘Trump-as-Hitler’

    …This, then, raises the question: Where do Democrats and their “Never Trump” conservative hangers-on go next, rhetorically, having spent their shot on the border issue? Anything less than full accusations of Nazism will seem tame by comparison. Now that Trump is “actually Hitler,” any compromise by Democrats will be viewed as kowtowing to fascism. Conversely, sticking with the Nazism line of attack cheapens its effect and, frankly, makes its proponents come off as a little more than unhinged, something perhaps already at play given that a Gallup poll has put Trump at his highest approval rating to date.

  190. H B Bear

    Clearly a temptation for him. Worrying.

    Did anyone mention the cat? Waffles may be a bigger psychopath than KRuddy.

  191. Snoopy

    Leigh Sales and 7:30 is outraged. She has found two families where the grand parents are financially assisting their kids to raise grandchildren.

    If only someone could invent a system where the government stripped people of their hard-earned to support unrelated kids.

  192. rickw

    Drove past a wind “farm” in Western Victoria late this morning.
    20 – 30 fans.
    A study in still life.

    In Majuro, millions are being poured into alternative energy. Not a single wind turbine still turns, the future is now solar. Meanwhile their conventional power station rots from neglect and becomes ever more unreliable.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Minister for Agriculture, here, in the Wild West, (spit) Alannah (spit) MacTiernan (spit) has just made the earthshaking discovery that if you export a sheep live, you get a higher price then if its slaughtered here, in Australia, and exported chilled or boxed. Where does the Labor Party get these fools from?

  194. Oh come on

    Walked in to Woolworths Subiaco. Grabbed a basket and proceeded to fill said basket with approx $80 worth of meat and frozen goods. Got to self serve check out. See big signs in the bagging area bragging ‘we’ve gone bagless!’ or somesuch. I could buy a green bag for 99c. Or I could dump my basket full of goods in the bagging spot and walk out with nothing. Fuck you, Woolworths. I’ll keep my goddamn 99c.

    Virtue-signalling pricks.

  195. Baldrick

    Malcolm Turnbull calls for change of men’s hearts after rape and murder of Euridice Dixon

    I have never murdered or raped anyone. Why does my heart need to change and to what?

  196. Frank

    Janis (nee Janice) Peterson is odd with the sound off. She has a most remarkably insincere presence on camera.

  197. C.L.

    There are times when Gallagher is Trump-level value for money:

    Liam Gallagher calls late Queen icon Freddie Mercury a ‘goofy c***’

    Twitter folk are upset, naturally.

  198. Delta A

    In Majuro, millions are being poured into alternative energy.

    Is that Majuro, just out of Whycheproof, rickw?

  199. Oh come on

    It’s spokesman Tony Bertone was leading the putsch.

    For some reason my autocorrect always wants to make its it’s. I have to go back and fix its screwups all the bloody time. In fact I had to twice just now.

  200. Frank

    I have never murdered or raped anyone. Why does my heart need to change and to what?

    Me neither. He has the that whole cat strangler thing to weighing down on the spot where his narcissism requires him to imagine a conscience. He is closer than most in terms of requiring change.

  201. Baldrick

    Bat-shit crazy numerologist Sussan Ley being interviewed by a sympathetic Bolt on her private members bill to suspend all live exports.

    Two peas in a pod.

  202. Steve trickler

    First impressions strikes fast…. what the fuck is going on here!

    Very creepy footage. Unsettling.



  203. Delta A

    BTW, Wycheproof is Peta Credin’s stomping ground. So when she says she’s a country girl, you can believe it.

  204. Snoopy

    Bat-shit crazy numerologist Sussan Ley being interviewed by a sympathetic Bolt on her private members bill to suspend all live exports.

    Two peas in a pod.

    Just caught the end of it. She was exercised by the government getting the balance of something right. Was it supermarket shelf space allocated to peanut butter and Vegemite?

  205. Rockdoctor

    Bat-shit crazy numerologist Sussan Ley being interviewed by a sympathetic Bolt on her private members bill to suspend all live exports.

    Two peas in a pod.

    Yup knowing the area from my misspent youth if Shooters & Fishers or PHON put up a decent candidate this would be one seat they could feasibly knock off…

  206. Baldrick

    Just caught the end of it. She was exercised by the government getting the balance of something right. Was it supermarket shelf space allocated to peanut butter and Vegemite?

    Hell no, nothing so important. It was Turnbull’s Energy Guarantee.

  207. Eyrie

    Sussan Ley, definitely NOT one of the women that isn’t nuts.

  208. Herodotus

    I heard a BBC report recently about Erdogan’s Turkey and where it’s heading. There wasn’t a critical note in it. Strictly factual and not at all pejorative.
    Have yet to hear a similarly uncoloured report about Hungary. Or any other European country where sense might be seeping into the voting patterns.

  209. Rae

    pregnant ( god, I hate that word)

    Nothing wrong with “pregnant”. The gravid uterus is a beautiful thing.

  210. nemkat

    Gilas
    #2746805

    I agree, if something as damaging as what TLS did produced no backlash at the site of the damage, when the memory was still fresh, this country’s truly f#ck$d.

    More likely the word got out into the Electorate that this wasn’t a one off, but the latest episode of sickening cruelty to exported stock that the Minister was made aware of.

    Australians don’t take kindly to cruelty to animals, and as long as that holds true, we’ll be in good shape.

  211. nemkat

    Sussan Ley, definitely NOT one of the women that isn’t nuts.

    Sussan Ley may have been a dud Minister, but at least she’ll stand up for animal welfare.,

  212. old bloke

    Rockdoctor
    #2746832, posted on June 25, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    Yup knowing the area from my misspent youth if Shooters & Fishers or PHON put up a decent candidate this would be one seat they could feasibly knock off…

    Frayed knot. The ALA ran a good candidate there last Federal election (Ron Pike) and I think that even the Greens won more votes. We’re stuck with the Uniparty, Australian voters just don’t care.

  213. Old School Conservative

    at least she’ll stand up for animal welfare

    …and taxpayer funded trips to the Gold Coast.

  214. Herodotus

    Trolla, trolla.
    This is your neighbourhood, Sinc. Clean it up.
    They are having the desired effect of making the place unattractive because of the ceaseless graffiti spray.
    Bed and book is going to win out over this sort of shitty open borders libertarianism.

  215. struth

    Sorry I haven’t been able to comment today.
    Being a white man I’ve been out doing what comes naturally to me.
    Rap ing and pillaging.
    Then bugger me dead a politician tells me to have change of heart………..
    The main politician doing the very same to the whole country.

  216. Oh come on

    I suppose the Q&A shitshow will be on again this evening. It’s become really boring. Remember the old Qanda threads would get several hundred comments? These days they barely crack three figures on average.

  217. Peter Campion

    Remember the old Qanda threads would get several hundred comments?

    Hugely educational comments. Sadly missed.

  218. cohenite

    Institute of Sustainable Future clean energy advocate on The a Drum repeating the renewables are cheaper than coal fired generation mantra.

    Peter Harcher defers to the “expert” because he doesn’t have a clue.

    Where do they get the data from to support these statements?

    There is no data. Right now there is over 10000 MW of installed wind and solar power in this benighted country at a construction cost of ~ $50 billion plus connection costs of at least another $5 billion. That $55 billion investment is now producing 518 MW of wind and zero solar power, a capacity factor of 0.05% or about $1/2 a billion per MW. Cheap at twice the price because..well buggered if I know.

  219. struth

    I’ve got nothing against women voting ………..
    As long as they vote for who we tell them to.
    But bloody South Australia again and the secret ballot.
    How can you be sure?

  220. cohenite

    Remember the old Qanda threads would get several hundred comments? These days they barely crack three figures on average.

    There are only so many ways you can describe rancid.

  221. Rae

    In Majuro, millions are being poured into alternative energy. Not a single wind turbine still turns

    Fake news. In Majuro, farm kids are being paid piece rates to fire BB guns at windmill blades to keep then turning. A start up supply of 200 BB pellets has been supplied to each kid by an unknown Victorian benefactor named rickw. VicPol has declined to comment.

  222. Oh come on

    It used to be worth watching Qanda because they’d occasionally screw up and invite on the odd conservative who would brutalise the leftist stacked panel and audience mercilessly. IIRC, Rowan Dean did this once – his finest hour, I’d say. They didn’t have him on again after that. It’s wall-to-wall leftists and gelded cuckservatives now. Total waste of an hour.

  223. Old School Conservative

    I have a dream. A dream where a newly elected politician uses his/her maiden speech to slam all current politicians for their disgraceful voting patterns to destroy Australia. Supporting renewable energy and reducing carbon dioxide emissions are policies which will cause destruction of industry, loss of jobs, and deaths.

    One elected representative. One blistering speech. One massive uprising against the Uniparty.
    That’s all I want.

  224. cohenite

    The Law Council has today called on the Australian Government to work with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to constitutionally enshrine a representative Voice to the Australian Parliament.
    The Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition Relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples 2018 is currently producing an interim report having been asked to recommend options for constitutional change and any potential complementary legislative measures to advance self-determination for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
    Law Council President, Morry Bailes, said the Law Council has consistently supported the capacity by which Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are able to determine their own political future, such as a constitutionally enshrined representative body that gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Nations a Voice to the Australian Parliament, as has been recommended by the Referendum Council in its report of June 2017.
    “An enshrined Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution, as recommended by the Referendum Council, would play a vital role in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’ pursuit of self-determination,” Mr Bailes said.
    The work of the Referendum Council, informed by First Nations Regional Dialogues and the National Convention at Uluru, represents one of the most significant consultations with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in Australia’s history and the call for a Voice to Parliament was the proposal that received the highest level of support.
    Mr Bailes said the Uluru Statement and Referendum Council have provided an important and unique opportunity to reset the nation’s relationship with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in Australia, providing direction for a more unified and reconciled nation.
    “It was profoundly disappointing that the Referendum Council’s recommendation was rejected by the Australian Government last year,” Mr Bailes said.
    “The right to self-determination is a fundamental and non-derogable principle of international law, and as the Law Council has previously stated, there is no legal impediment to making provision for a representative body to provide Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Nations a Voice to Parliament in the Constitution.
    “It does not call for a decision-making power to be afforded to the proposed representative body and the proposal would not affect the structure or operation of a bi-cameral federal Parliament. “It also ought to be noted, the proposal is consistent with parliamentary sovereignty and seeks to give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Nations a Voice to the Australian Parliament, not in the Australian Parliament.

    So, 2 nations with the white nation paying for the black one.

  225. notafan

    Except that most of the members of the black nation will be physically indistinguishable from the members of white one except for (Chinese and Indian component)

  226. Oh come on

    When life hands you lemons, be happy. Lemons are great. I like lemon juice.

    When life hands you an Apple product, then you have a good reason to be pissed off.

  227. Confused Old Misfit

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are able to determine their own political future, such as a constitutionally enshrined representative body that gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Nations a Voice to the Australian Parliament,

    “It does not call for a decision-making power to be afforded to the proposed representative body and the proposal would not affect the structure or operation of a bi-cameral federal Parliament.

    Thin edge of the wedge. Does nothing that needs to be done for the indigenous community but looks like a gold mine for the legal community.

  228. Rae

    I agree, if something as damaging as what TLS did produced no backlash at the site of the damage, when the memory was still fresh, this country’s truly f#ck$d.

    There was never any chance that the Labor vote would be affected. The dispute was engineered by the National Farmers Federation with the support of the then Coalition NT government. The NFF, led by Ian McFarlane, denied the unionized Katherine meatworks supply of cattle for slaughter, while continuing to supply the Muginberri abattoir which was manned by itinerant contract workers at lower rates of pay. The local slaughtermen were deliberately made unemployed while the seasonal blow-ins remained in employment.

    This was glossed over in Helens “gem on the old Fred”.

  229. H B Bear

    Graegooglery reduced to trolling himself. Sad.

  230. Snoopy

    I would like to see the Libs run an advertisement based upon the old Imperial Leather ad showing Bill Shorten and his first wife swanning around Argentina and Cuba quaffing champagne in Richard Pratt’s private jet.

  231. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So, 2 nations with the white nation paying for the black one.

    I’ll bet good money that the next list of demands will result in Australia containing “tribal homelands” in the way that the old South Africa did.

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