Wednesday Forum: July 4, 2018

This entry was posted in Open Forum. Bookmark the permalink.

1,860 Responses to Wednesday Forum: July 4, 2018

1 6 7 8
  1. Snoopy

    Our ABC – A looter continua!

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    Clock rates have hit the wall in CPU design,

    Thanks Tel. I think I get it.

  3. Dave in Marybrook

    Perth Cat mixer?
    But Marybrook is so nice this time of year…

  4. Oh come on

    The fact is that virtually all of the people being dishonest to their partners about the heritage of their shared offspring are women! The damage this causes is catastrophic for the victims – it destroys lives. All women have a responsibility to step up and end this terrible scourge that inflicts their gender.

  5. Oh come on

    Only women can ensure that no man will ever again be tricked into treating the child of another man as his own. It’s the right thing to do, women.

  6. JC

    OCO

    The fact is that virtually all of the people being dishonest to their partners about the heritage of their shared offspring are women!

    Virtually? It would have to be 100%, surely?

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Do we have permission to use violence to create and maintain that safe, respectful environment for women, if necessary?

    I saw dire, physical retribution, involving an entrenching tool, dished out to the perpetrator of what would probably be considered sexual harassment. Is such violence acceptable?

  8. Geriatric Mayfly

    Guatemalan milling corn. You can see why 80+% of Australians find the ABC so indispensable.

    Wait until we get the segment on horticultural advances in other exotic climes. Human excrement as the ultimate soil conditioner.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    The fact is that virtually all of the people being dishonest to their partners about the heritage of their shared offspring are women!

    Note also that Women are the reason why God threw Men out of the Garden of Eden.
    They have been getting worse every day since.
    It’s a wonder we let them cook, clean, and vacuum honestly.

  10. Death Giraffe

    Human excrement as the ultimate soil conditioner.

    ..
    Human excrement is shit.

  11. Oh come on

    Virtually? It would have to be 100%, surely?

    Look there are some really weird freaks out there.

  12. jupes

    FMD how good are Richmond!

    (Yes it is a duplicate comment).

  13. Dave in Marybrook

    One of the most harrowing Gardening Australia episodes was the story of, if I remember correctly,
    a woman who was legally blind
    but qualified as a professional something or other
    who went on a big unemployment payout
    and sank the money into a “sustainable” backyard
    and pv electricity system
    where she home-schooled her special needs kid
    with her lesbian partner
    who was also her pensioned carer
    and was exploring the use of “humanure”.

  14. Mater

    Is such violence acceptable?

    No, but at a macro level, without violence (or the threat thereof), there would be precious little safety for anyone.
    The answer is not to de-program men, rather we should nurture their protective instincts to appropriately direct their natural tendencies.

  15. jupes

    FMD how good is Dusty?

  16. egg_

    That weird freaking gnome on Gardening Australia talking about – I shit you not – Guatemalan milling corn.

    The gnome’s been busy lobbying for public funds for Community Garden schemes IIRC.

  17. JC

    It’s a wonder we let them cook, clean, and vacuum honestly.

    And ignoring missing buttons on shirts. Sends me batshit when you’re put on a shirt and the last (sleeve) button is missing.

  18. Gab

    More
    CANADA ROLLS BACK THE CARBON TAX

    Ontario’s Premier Doug Ford on Tuesday cancelled what amounts to a $2 billion a year tax on Ontarians by scrapping all of the government subsidy programs funded by former premier Kathleen Wynne’s cap-and-trade scheme.
    http://climatescience.blogspot.com/2018/07/canada-rolls-back-carbon-tax.html

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    MEDIA
    Former News executive Peter Tonagh to head review of ABC, SBS.

    The Australian
    7:26PM July 6, 2018
    Save
    Share on Facebook

    Darren Davidson
    MEDIA EDITOR
    Sydney
    @darrendavidson

    A Turnbull government review of ABC and SBS efficiencies will be headed by former News Corp executive Peter Tonagh and former Australian Communications and Media Authority chairman Richard Bean.

    News of their roles emerges as Communications Minister Mitch Fifield reiterates the government’s longstanding position not to sell off the ABC after the review became a divisive political issue.

    Announced in the May budget, the review will report later this year to assist the ABC in meeting savings targets after the government said it would pause indexation of the national broadcaster’s operational funding in the next triennium. The move is aimed at achieving savings to the budget of $83.7 million over three years from 2019-20 to 2021-22.

    But the ABC will continue to be exempt from the government-wide efficiency dividend, with its base operational funding maintained at 2018-19 levels.

    From the Oz.

    “Excuse me, Your Captivating Magnificence, Lord Waffles , we have received a submission, as to the future of the A.B.C. from some people calling themselves Cats”

    “Indeed. What does the submission have to say?”

    “It’s quite short, Lord Waffles. It just says “SHUT IT DOWN! FIRE THEM ALL!”

  20. DrBeauGan

    I respect women only when they are respectable.

    That lets out most feminists.

  21. Oh come on

    It’s a vaguely interesting thought exercise. Think of the sub-1% of people who are deceiving their spouses regarding the parentage of their shared children and who are male. What’s the scenario?

  22. Tel

    The fact is that virtually all of the people being dishonest to their partners about the heritage of their shared offspring are women!

    It’s kind of tricky to convince a woman that she is pregnant when the baby is sitting inside another woman, but I’m open minded and passionate about the possibilities technology can offer to deliver universal equality. Are we talking nanobots here or what?

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    And ignoring missing buttons on shirts. Sends me batshit when you’re put on a shirt and the last (sleeve) button is missing.

    Don’t forget ironing JC.

  24. JC

    OCO

    How exactly can a bloke deceive a woman about the male side parentage of a kid? I’m honestly interested as I’m not a worldly person with this stuff.

  25. Tel

    And ignoring missing buttons on shirts. Sends me batshit when you’re put on a shirt and the last (sleeve) button is missing.

    What?!? You don’t roll up your sleeves for that hard working Obama look?

    Man, I misjudged you.

  26. Oh come on

    Hint: rethink the premises of that small minority of relationships 🙂

  27. JC

    In France at least, paternity tests are BANNED.

    Probably something the SFL will ban with their TUP/watermelon uniparty mates soon.

  28. Death Giraffe

    It’s a vaguely interesting thought exercise. Think of the sub-1% of people who are deceiving their spouses regarding the parentage of their shared children and who are male. What’s the scenario?

    ..
    Light off.
    Could be anyone.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Sounds like bad news for the D’rats, I think.

    Reuters) – Immigration tops the economy and healthcare as the most important issue determining Americans’ vote ahead of the midterm elections in November, a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll shows.

    And, given they have nailed their colours to the mast of a super-tanker, it is going to be a bit difficult to turn that policy around.

  30. I will read the comments more carefully…

    I dunno JC, a surprise gimp in the offing?

    Other than that, use your imagination. One of the plotlines from an old Picket Fences episode I won’t repeat.

  31. Death Giraffe

    Wasn’t there some footballers who pulled that type of stunt?
    Allegedly.

  32. JC

    Frank

    They’re not banned here as there’s no legal reason to. That’s because the Family Court will still recognize the kids as the father’s and he’s legally obliged to take care of it. How truly fucking evil and man hating is that? Don’t get me started.

  33. Cactus

    JC. That pic is rolled steel. There are 2 major steel products which are flats and longs. Flat steel is used in autos, appliances and is just a really thin flat piece of steel that is coated to prevent rust. Those rolls will become a car or washing machine. They actaually roll out to a few km beleive it or not.

    Longs are used in construction primarily as the rebar or steel rods that is the structure that makes up a building. Often encased in concrete.

  34. The presumption of paternity is based on the idea you don’t want to admit you were cucked once – so you suck it up and become a literal cuck for life.

    Can anyone see why men have high suicide rates? It’s a Scooby Doo mystery folks.

  35. JC

    Leigh and then I look at the generic polling at Real Clear Politics and the D’rats are still in front on those polls. This doesn’t figure unless people are lying. Sure, generic doesn’t count likely voters.

  36. Death Giraffe

    Don’t follow football, so it is a bit hazy.
    Was there a case like that?

  37. JC

    Light off.
    Could be anyone.

    Oh, yea.

  38. Oh come on

    I was going to outline a circumstance whereby the husband might conceivably lie about the parentage of his wife’s child. Alternatively, just read about the life and crimes of Fred and Rosemary West. And there are a few much more benign scenarios I can think of, too.

    Takes all sorts.

  39. I can’t see Trump losing in 2020 or the House at the end of 2018 if the economy is going so well now. Professor Raymond C Fair’s model probably still works.

    Background:

    https://fairmodel.econ.yale.edu/vote2016/index2.htm

    Have a go yourself:

    https://fairmodel.econ.yale.edu/vote2016/computv2.htm

  40. Death Giraffe

    In June, a couple from Cardiff were told that their last remaining frozen embryo had been mistakenly implanted in another woman, who had since had it aborted. In the same month, it was revealed that a white Northern Irish couple had given birth to a mixed-race baby, after being given the wrong sperm.

    ..
    -The Gaurdian.

  41. JC

    What?!? You don’t roll up your sleeves for that hard working Obama look?

    Man, I misjudged you.

    Tel, stop it the silliness. My routine, when wearing a sweater, is to do up the buttons before pulling over the sweater and then undoing the buttons and pulling the combo up a little – like a few inches above the wrist. Of course you require buttons down the middle. Am I teaching you how to fucking dress?

  42. Snoopy

    Generic polling:

    For which party do you intend to vote for in November?
    A) Democratic
    B) The party which locks children in concentration camps
    C) Other

  43. In the Fair Model I said 3% average GDP over seven quarters and 2 quarters above 3.2%, the D’rats get 49.80% 2PP.

  44. Dave in Marybrook

    Mal Turd launches a review into ABC and SBS… operational efficiencies.
    Something tells me it’s not tidying up the books for a prospective buyer, but a soft-soap distraction squirrel that will end with the broadcasters being feted as best practise.
    A review if the ABC/SBS charter is out of the question.
    .

  45. Snoopy

    A review if the ABC/SBS charter is out of the question

    What would be the point?

  46. JC

    Yea snoopy, people may still be hiding their true intentions, but you know the polls were reasonably accurate in 16. They were saying Cankles would win. I know, I labor this and a few people here refuse to appreciate just what a fluke it was for agent orange to have won. Crooked received 3 million more votes!

    No poll would be able to finesse that win.

    The point is that I still respect the polling.

    I’ve yet to see a generic poll of likely voters.

  47. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #2756769, posted on July 6, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    Leigh and then I look at the generic polling at Real Clear Politics and the D’rats are still in front on those polls. This doesn’t figure unless people are lying. Sure, generic doesn’t count likely voters.

    JC, the polls in the last week of October 2016 had Hilary smashing it and winning the Electoral College by 100-150.

  48. mh

    BORDER PATROL SEPARATES MOTHER FROM HER CHILD AFTER SHE’S CAUGHT SMUGGLING $158K OF METH

    US Border Patrol had the audacity to separate another mother from her 2-year-old child merely for smuggling $157,500 worth of meth with her infant in the backseat of her car!….

    https://www.infowars.com/border-patrol-separates-mother-from-her-child-after-shes-caught-smuggling-158k-of-meth/

  49. JC

    JC, the polls in the last week of October 2016 had Hilary smashing it and winning the Electoral College by 100-150.

    Yep, and in a way they were reasonable in their estimates. Only crooked could lose an “erection” with 3 million more votes.

    Trump is god.

  50. Gab

    More waste of taxpayers’ money. Turnbull is a member of the Friends of the ABC, The outcome of this ABC “review” has already been decided.

  51. Who knows JC, you’re not going to get the level of disaggregation you want. Fair says he cannot really do an accurate model until (he’s near retirement) he gets an algorithm to translate his model to voting intention in a much more disaggregated manner.

    Remember that vote magic thing? The system could be manipulated to round up votes here and there until the desired result was achieved.

    If you look at a 3D map of the US and D or R preference density, you see how Hillary’s votes were essentially wasted.

    I dunno. The Bernie supporters may have thrown her ballots away. Maybe they “vote magicked” Hillary into drunken petulant, temporary insanity?

  52. JC

    Sure, I have to do penance tomorrow. Wife and the kid who is here for a vacation watched Heartburn this evening.

    Get a load the main actors.

    Jack Nicholson ( who was at Polanski’s home the evening the girl was raped by Polanski).
    Meryl Streep, who gave Polanski a standing ovation at the Oscars and said Big Fat Harvey is God one other time at the same venue.

    And Kevin Spacey.

    FMD.

  53. Mother Lode

    But the ABC will continue to be exempt from the government-wide efficiency dividend, with its base operational funding maintained at 2018-19 levels.

    Are they trying to pretend that the ‘efficiency dividend’ is some sort of punishment, or some kind of imposed belt tightening?

    By its very definition it is providing them with funding to continue doing the same thing which will cost less due to efficiencies.

    Of course the ABC does not see itself as providing defined services otherwise the dividend would not matter as they would provide the same service.

    They see themselves more as consumers of money and all they see is less money.

    But most accurately they see themselves as being on a creeping mission that quiet ever more money, and funding them to provide the same service prevents them from metasticising into new formats with the same old crap.

  54. egg_

    Headlining the Sydney rally this Sunday are Adams, the RN Late Night Live presenter, former 7.30 host Kerry O’Brien, comedian Magda Szubanski and author Tom Keneally.

    Aunty’s senior freak show, the walking dead.

  55. JC

    If you look at a 3D map of the US and D or R preference density, you see how Hillary’s votes were essentially wasted.

    But that’s harry hindsight though. If harry Hindsight worked I’d be richer than Bezos and looking to splurge some money on a couple of planets. It’s easy to look back. But what I’ve been trying to explain to some thickos here like makkaroni etc is that harry wasn’t around before the election. He showed up much later.

    —————

    I’ve been thinking, if I was Bezos I’d do a planet deal if possible. I’d try and do a deal to buy a couple of planets if I say donated money to X and keep them in perpetual ownership for descendants. I’m not talking about the shit kickers like Mercury or Venus. But Mars and one of the biggies like Saturn. He’s worth US$140 billion. How much money would it take to buy those two? US$50 Billion? I reckon the UN could get treaty done for 50 big ones. It would be really cool owning those two planets.

  56. jupes

    Something tells me it’s not tidying up the books for a prospective buyer, but a soft-soap distraction squirrel that will end with the broadcasters being feted as best practise.

    No doubt.

  57. egg_

    More waste of taxpayers’ money. Turnbull is a member of the Friends of the ABC, The outcome of this ABC “review” has already been decided.

    Fiends of the ABC comes to mind.
    Will Mal attend the Sydney rally in his leather jacket?

  58. John Constantine

    The second highest scoring Australian in the T20 series so far.

    [ and he didn’t get to face the Zimbabwe attack.]

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/melbourne-cricketer-solomon-mire-savours-shock-world-cup-callup-20150213-13dqfw.html

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Headlining the Sydney rally this Sunday are Adams, the RN Late Night Live presenter, former 7.30 host Kerry O’Brien, comedian Magda Szubanski and author Tom Keneally.

    Aunty’s senior freak show, the walking dead.

    Is that the best the A.B.C. can do – Red Kezza and the fat lezzo? Who is Tom Keneally?

  60. Homesteading would be to the greatest human benefit.

    The reason being it basically takes govt. out save for a legal guarantee.

  61. egg_

    Is that the best the A.B.C. can do – Red Kezza and the fat lezzo? Who is Tom Keneally?

    Wrote Schindler’s List.
    Don’t forget Phatty, the human bollard.

  62. JC

    Frank

    I think the only way to get space travel up and going would be to privatize it.. privatize ownerhsip. In reality nothing’s gone on since the late 60’s moon landings. It’s been really boring. NASA these days is a gerbil warming catastrophist operation.

    It’s not as silly as it sounds because a large number of explorations in the past were largely privately funded to find stuff and sell it.

  63. Oh come on

    Billionaires should be allowed to BUY up planets and rip up an out-of-date space treaty, claims expert

    Rip up the treaty, bugger the billionaire status. Planets and the land they contain ought to be claimed on a first-come, first-served basis. You have to be able to cultivate your land in order to claim ownership of it, though.

  64. JC

    You have to be able to cultivate your land in order to claim ownership of it, though.

    Absentee ownership also works. Lots of rich brits owned tracks of Africa and the new world without setting foot on their land and had it worked for them. Mines were operated that way too.

  65. JC

    I’ve always laughed at this idea. It’s been going around for a while and read it frequently. The first trillionaire will make his money by mining asteroids for gold and precious metal… iron ore even. I don’t see a problem with getting that crap from orbit onto earth in say 100 years because there will be elevators by then. But here’s the problem. If a dude found an entire asteroid of gold and got it here, the price wouldn’t remain still. It would be shellacked.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Don’t forget Phatty, the human bollard.

    Phatty Adams, the champagne socialist, still bawling about the dismissal of the Whitlam Government, and blubbering about how running a hobby farm in N.S.W qualifies him to speak on matters agricultural? I thought he’d been pensioned off years ago.

  67. Oh come on

    In the case of claiming ownership of land that has been hitherto unowned, I think that if you can reasonably demonstrate an effort to add tangible value to the land you’re claiming, then that ought to be enough to establish your ownership of it.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    And Kevin Spacey.

    FMD.

    Hang on to it.
    Kevin Spacey movies are like Van Goghs.
    They are not making any more of them … evah.

  69. JC

    OCO

    I think the problem with space travel is that sophisticated type of travel will take a lot longer than people imagine. The problem is getting stuff into orbit… large amounts of stuff. The only way that can happen is for slow elevation into geostationary orbit. That’s a 100 years away. However once that happens the move out will be very swift. Getting off earth is a bitch.

    In the case of claiming ownership of land that has been hitherto unowned, I think that if you can reasonably demonstrate an effort to add tangible value to the land you’re claiming, then that ought to be enough to establish your ownership of it.

    There are way around that by allowing private ownership. But the problem is that buying it isn’t theissue for a private individual. It’s stopping nation states from claiming it for their own and they are more powerful than Bezos or his future descendants.

  70. egg_

    running a hobby farm in N.S.W

    His missus successfully blocked a Hunter Valley coal mine expansion near his hobby farm.

  71. We probably won’t get far with rockets or that silly “solar sail” idea.

    As for propellantless propulsion, interesting old (1999) paper:

    Abstract.

    An assortment of papers have been published over the years setting forth theory suggesting inertia stems from the gravitational effects of the totality of matter in the universe (Mach’s Principle). This has been supported by positive results of experimental attempts by Woodward to transiently modify the inertia of test masses. By rapidly oscillating the energy density of the test masses (i.e., charging and discharging high-energy capacitors), apparent transient mass shifts of up to ± 10% of the active dielectric material were consistently obtained. It became apparent that such an effect, when coupled with precisely timed external impulsive forces, could result in a net force, that is, propulsion without the expulsion of a reactive propellant, utilizing only electricity as “fuel”. Several generations of devices have been constructed and tested supporting this concept of propulsion.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    His missus successfully blocked a Hunter Valley coal mine expansion near his hobby farm.

    Hobby farmers are the curse of agriculture. They should be paraded through the streets, while genuine farmers hooted, jeered, and pelted them with rubbish.

  73. JC

    What happened with the propulsion system you were peddling a while ago, Dot? I can’t recall what it was called, but I recently read the Euroweenies have said it doesn’t work – contradicting NASA.

  74. Leigh Lowe

     I can’t recall what it was called, but I recently read the Euroweenies have said it doesn’t work

    They also said you can’t turn boats around as well.

  75. BorisG

    do draw your attention to the fact that nobody wants you at the Perth Cats meeting.

    Speak for yourself please, nice lady

  76. A Mach effect drive (Woodward drive, MEGA Drive) is not a radio-frequency cavity thruster (Em Drive, Cannae Drive).

    Tajmar may have muddled up his experiment of the RF cavity drive by inducing interference with his power source. This is really odd considering how well known he is for being an experimental physicist.

    The testing drives me mad. They’re testing pissant stuff at a couple of watts with low-quality dielectric materials. It should be kilowatt level testing with high Q cavities. Let’s get definitive answers.

  77. Bruce in WA

    Headline banner on tomorrow’s Oz:

    “How did he get a gun?”

    Quelle surprise.

    BOHICA

  78. JC

    CNN now officially diagnosed as severely retarded.

    CNN anchor @ErinBurnett talks about how El Chapo has thrown people in acid baths, then asks, “How dangerous is he?”

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.aec.gov.au/media/media-releases/2018/07-06d.htm

    Jim Grayden is standing as an “Independent Liberal” – he’s refusing any donations, and says he’s funding his own campaign. Look up his website.

  80. Mindfree

    If I’ve linked this before sorry

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UHXEQSXaZ4

  81. Mindfree

    try again
    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY

  82. OneWorldGovernment

    One for the communists that support solar and wind.

    The Incredible Scam of Rooftop Solar
    By Norman Rogers

    …………

    It is foolish to justify rooftop solar on the grounds of reducing CO2 emissions, because if you work the numbers, it costs about $800 to avoid emitting a metric ton of CO2 using rooftop solar. You can buy a carbon offset that does the same thing for $10. Reducing CO2 emissions is dubious in any case. Global warming-climate change ideology is struggling because warming is not remotely meeting expectations. Believers are starting to lose their faith in global warming. It is dawning on them that global warming is another scary disaster in a long parade of scary disasters that never materialize but make money for interested parties. Fewer people want to waste billions on a quixotic quest for renewable power.

    The most prominent remaining global warming believers are now advocating nuclear power as the best means of reducing CO2 emissions. CO2 is plant food that makes plants grow better with less water. It greens deserts and increases agricultural productivity. Bring it on.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_incredible_scam_of_rooftop_solar.html

  83. Bruce in WA

    If ever I was going to upgrade my 1150RT to a 1200RT, this ad would be my inspiration. Some fabulous cinematography and generally first class editing. (Except at about 2.09 when some editor has actually reversed the film so it appears the rider is stomping with his right foot to accelerate; right foot is, of course, rear brake.)

    But just beautifully put together.

  84. Bruce in WA

    This one is based on a true story. Sure, it’s an ad for a bank, but it was real!

  85. Bruce in WA

    But when it comes to TV ads … well, here’s one of the very best … ever!

  86. Bruce in WA

    Looks like everyone’s gorn to beddy-byes. OK … goodnight.

  87. OneWorldGovernment

    Thanks Bruce in WA.

  88. Bruce in WA

    Thanks Bruce in WA.

    Always my pleasure.

  89. areff

    I think the problem with space travel is that sophisticated type of travel will take a lot longer than people imagine.

    One thing NASA finally admitted it has down pat: how to have sex in zero gravity

  90. OneWorldGovernment

    One from the Don Surber blog.

    Media’s self-importance never dies

    An Associated Press photographer died. He was the fellow who took the picture of a fully armed paramilitary immigration enforcement officer taking a screaming child of six by force who was hiding with an adult in a closet, as the Clinton administration had no compunction about separating a Legal Immigrant from his family on American soil.

    The Associated Press ran a 749-word obituary on the photographer, Alan Diaz. It was an interesting story — AP hired him after he took the SWAT team-crying kid photo.

    But the story was a bit much, and a reminder of the media’s overblown sense of importance. The word iconic appeared four times.

    Which brings me back to a story I shared with readers three years ago about Melvin Garten, a real hero. His death brought no AP obituary because he never got a byline.

    I wrote this three years ago.

    Toby Harnden, the Times of London reporter who has covered war with the troops and United States politics with equanimity, tweeted on May 6, 2015: “Trumpeter, food blogger, actress, golfer get New York Times obits today, but this man has his death notice paid for by family.”

    The man whose family had to pay for his obituary was Melvin Garten, the most decorated and forgotten soldier at the time of his death.

    Let’s fix that.

    Heroes are born and made. Melvin Garten was born May 20, 1921 in New York City, where he became another smart Jewish boy attending City College of New York. Japan’s sneak attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, greatly altered his immediate plans. Upon graduation from CCNY, he joined the Army and became a paratrooper. He then married his girlfriend, Ruth Engelman of the Bronx, in November 1942. She was a war bride. Everyone said the marriage wouldn’t last, and they were right because the marriage ended on January 9, 2013 — the day she died.

    Melvin went off to the Pacific Theater of the war, where he participated in what can only be described as an audacious airborne raid of Los Banos in 1945, rescuing more than 2,000 U.S. and Allied civilians from a Japanese prison camp. He was a highly decorated soldier, earning the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, a Presidential Unit Citation and the Purple Heart with three Oak Leak Clusters for his wounds in battle. He was tough and handsome and courageous.

    Ruth stayed home. She was a neophyte in the art of homemaking, and with him fighting overseas, she didn’t get much chance to be a housewife. But Melvin eventually and luckily came home, and on October 29, 1946, she gave birth to the first of their two sons, Jeffrey. Four years later, son Allan followed.

    As would war. At dawn on Sunday, June 25, 1950, with the permission of Stalin, the North Koreans crossed the 38th parallel behind artillery fire. Melvin was back in combat. Captain Garten proved his mettle again as commander of Company K, 3rd Battalion, 31st Infantry Regiment, 7th Infantry Division. President Eisenhower awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.

    The citation reads: “Captain Garten distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action against enemy aggressor forces near Surang-ni, Korea, on 30 October 1952. On that date, observing that assault elements of Companies F and G were pinned down by withering fire on a dominant hill feature, Captain Garten voluntarily proceeded alone up the rugged slope and, reaching the besieged troops, found that key personnel had been wounded and the unit was without command. Dominating the critical situation through sheer force of his heroic example, he rallied approximately eight men, assigned four light machine guns, distributed grenades and, employing the principle of fire and maneuver, stormed enemy trenches and bunkers with such tenacity that the foe was completely routed and the objective secured. Quickly readying defensive positions against imminent counterattack he directed and coordinated a holding action until reinforcements arrived. His inspirational leadership, unflinching courage under fire and valorous actions reflect the highest credit upon himself and are in keeping with the cherished traditions of the military service.”

    Back in the states, Ruth dealt with an infant and a toddler amid a crowd of wives of junior officers facing similar circumstances. They served as both mother and father, often moving to a new Army post with little if any help from their soldier husbands. In his 30 years in the service of our country, she made 30 moves — six of them overseas. This difficult life is an American tradition as old as our nationhood. Ruth learned a lot as an Army wife. Her sons and her husband appreciated it — as would the wives of the soldiers who later served under him.

    Having served at Luzon and Pork Chop Hill, Captain Garten came home and the family moved around. Ruth took care of her men.

    “I never even bought my own clothes,” Melvin told Mike Francis of the Oregonian a few months before her death. “I never went shopping. It was not a part of my life. As an Army wife, she took care of those things.”

    Her sons Jeffrey, an economist, and Allan, a federal prosecutor, said their father was in charge when he was home. But Jeffrey told the Oregonian: “She is definitely the glue that held the family together. Wherever she was, that was our home.”

    Their sons were in their teens when the Vietnam War erupted. Melvin earned his Combat Infantry Badge for the third time — perfect attendance as those men with that distinction of serving in those three wars called their service. The Army put him in command of the 2nd Battalion, 327th Infantry in 1968 and he reinvigorated the unit, calling it the No Slack battalion. Just as he almost completed the turnaround, his jeep ran over a Vietcong mine, sending shrapnel to his leg and to his head. Another war, another Purple Heart, only this time it cost him his leg. The military sent him to Walter Reed to recuperate.

    Ruth went alone, shielding her sons from the news, as they were in college. She wanted to see how he was. Melvin was in horrible condition. His head wound was more serious than their sons realized. For nearly a year, he worked to recover from the explosion. Melvin wanted to stay on active duty as a one-legged paratrooper. She supported his decision. They had to appear before a medical board. Ruth told the Oregonian, “When I got there, they wanted to know only one thing. ‘Was he as difficult a man before was wounded as he is now?’ one board member asked. ‘No difference,’ I answered. And he passed.”

    His assignment was as post commander of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, home of the Airborne and Special Operational Forces, a nod to his sterling and exemplary service under fire. Ruth relished the role of the post commander’s wife, visiting with the Army wives each day, for a talk and drinks. As the colonel’s wife, Ruth treated them as her daughters, dispensing advice and encouragement, one Army wife to another.

    The first part of their marriage was about to end. He retired as the most decorated man in the Army at the time with the Distinguished Service Cross, four Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars, five Purple Hearts, two Legion of Merits, two Joint Service Commendations, a Combat Infantry Badge for each of three wars, and a Master Parachutist Badge with two combat jump stars. Melvin paid dearly for those awards, but so did Ruth. She was one of the few women to receive five telegrams over the years informing her that her husband was wounded in combat. And by few, I mean I do not know of another.

    But his retirement in Florida began three wonderful decades for them. Their children were grown and they had each other. She was still a Mom. When her eldest son Jeffrey married Ina Rosenberg, she knew nothing about cooking. Ruth got her a subscription to the Time-Life cookbook series, which sent a new book every month. This fascinated Ina. Today, Ina Rosenberg Garten is better known as the “Barefoot Countessa” on the cooking show that bears that name on the Food Network.

    In 2000, Ruth and Melvin moved to Oregon to live near Allan. Doctors diagnosed her as having Parkinson’s. Mike Francis interviewed Melvin and their sons 11 months before her death. Melvin said, “All these things she put up with. All the things she did for the family. She kept our lives going for 70 years. And she’s going downhill now.”

    Following her death on January 9, 2013, the family buried her in Arlington, where all our military heroes belong. He joined her there following his death on May 2, 2015.

  91. BorisG

    They are on new forum 🙂 or watching the world cup

  92. Cpt Seahawks

    Hey all, I’m up celebrating my lack of white guilt. With God.

  93. Infidel Tiger

    The Age out Ben Roberts-Smith as part of the investigation into the SAS.

    I’ll bet he is “Leonidas” and they are desperate to get him, even though he is now a lefty rabble rouser since becoming a civvy.

  94. Cpt Seahawks

    I am Ben Roberts-Smith.

  95. Twostix

    They’re testing to see if australia is enough of a nation to muster up some care about its warrior heros.

    If yes continue the beatings, if no let phase three of the revolution begin.

  96. amortiser

    Cannot tell if this is trolling or not:

    arkanite
    2 hours ago
    The “not all men” brigade are wrong, it is up to all men to change their ways and to create an environment that women feel safe at all time and are treated with respect. DL has demonstrated how he treats women as second class citizens and how “entitled” he is. As Stephanie has written above, he may have just initiated a tide of change, and I am excited of the good that will come out of this despicable act by DL.

    So Dl reckons women are second class citizens. When did the fool promote them.

    Always escalate!!

  97. Roger

    The “not all men” brigade are wrong, it is up to all men to change their ways and to create an environment that women feel safe at all time and are treated with respect.

    Uh huh.

    We had that in until c. the late 1960s when the counter-culture and feminism started to undo it.

    Hasn’t worked out well for you, eh?

  98. Cpt Seahawks

    Styxhexandhammer666 quote “waving the don’t touch my beaver flag”. I finally laughed at something.

1 6 7 8

Comments are closed.