Wednesday Forum: July 4, 2018

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  1. Dr Fred Lenin

    Finally made it to the leadership podium in Red Square taking the salutes at the march past. Whoopee!

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    PAUL KELLY
    Hamel was a mini-model for how World War I could be won

    The Australian
    12:00AM July 4, 2018

    This morning on the high ground of the Australian Memorial Park near the tiny French village of Le Hamel and within sight of the ­Villers-Bretonneux memorial, the Battle of Hamel, once the preserve of military buffs, will be honoured in an act of revived memory.

    It is the centenary to the day. The timing on July 4, 1918, American Independence Day, was the decision of the Australian commander, Lieutenant-General John Monash, the architect of victory. Hamel was a small battle that gained fame because of its stunning success, its military conception that integrated tanks, aircraft, artillery and infantry, the near-perfect execution of a plan, and its electrifying elevation of ­Monash to a new status.

    It didn’t change the course of the war, but it captured the turning point that occurred over the next few months. In its purest form, Hamel was a mini-model for how the war could be won. ­Monash was the right man at the right time, able to synthesise the correct military prescriptions.

    Aware by mid-1918 that the war must shift to the allied offensive, Monash selected a demonstration target — eliminating the bulge in the German line near Hamel, ­located between Villers-Bretonneux and the Somme. Monash did not invent the new spirit of ­allied offensive. That was the stance being embraced by his ­superiors: Supreme Commander Ferdinand Foch, British commander Douglas Haig and commander of the British Fourth Army Henry Rawlinson.

    But ­Monash came to exemplify that spirit and, critically, he showed the entire allied command that it could work and how it could work. At this time, every ­allied commander assumed the war would extend into 1919 but such assumptions were dissolved by the events of July-August 1918.

    From the Oz. Posted on the wrong thread – July 4th an important date in Australia’s military history.

  3. Diogenes

    OOh a shiney new thread

  4. Dr Fred Lenin

    Standing on Uncle Vladimir’s Burial Plot .

  5. Tintarella di Luna

    Ciao gatti e gattine

  6. pete m

    We need a new constitution – one that enshrines for people their power over the executive and their white collar army.

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    Hey Pete what about abolishing career politicians and all political donations ? That might work .

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hmmm…

    Imran Awan Gets Sweetheart Plea Deal; DOJ Won’t Prosecute Alleged Spy Ring, Cybercrimes

    The Department of Justice won’t prosecute Imran Awan, a former IT administrator for Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and dozens of other Democrats, for allegations of cybersecurity breaches, theft and potential espionage, as part of a plea agreement one one count of unrelated bank fraud.

    How very convenient for the 50 or so Democrat pollies who handed their computer services over to this guy. I guess now we’ll never know how deep the corruption goes, and how much dosh and intel went out the door to Pakistan.

    One law for the progressive heroes of da Resistance, another law for the lumpen proletariat.

  9. mh

    Pete, we won’t get fooled again.

  10. Atoms for Peace

    Gold lurgy for moi..

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ciao gatti e gattine

    ‘Nbaie goeie more vir almal op die Kat.

  12. Rossini

    Made the team! go the Blues

  13. mizaris

    Hmm..all nice and shiny

  14. Herodotus

    Senate committee backs Russia collusion meme? Any reliable sources yet?

  15. mh

    DNC Chairman Tom Perez acknowledged that 28-year-old socialist Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez represents “the future of the Democrat Party.”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tIriGu5dtHM&time_continue=67

  16. Rossini

    Is Malcolm pissing into the wind the same as pushing water uphill?

  17. That Impeach 45 might be some dude in CHINA rubbing his hands with glee like the Aussie unionist who was selling #BLM gear.

    Lulz.

  18. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2754474, posted on July 4, 2018 at 11:45 am

    Hmmm…

    Imran Awan Gets Sweetheart Plea Deal; DOJ Won’t Prosecute Alleged Spy Ring, Cybercrimes

    One law for the progressive heroes of da Resistance, another law for the lumpen proletariat.

    It is truly amazing BoN.

    They talk about a Nation of Laws when so called American Justice as practiced is Lawless.

    Read Conrad Black.

  19. zyconoclast

    In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant ‘Ghettos’

    COPENHAGEN — When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.”

    Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

    Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled.

    For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence.

  20. Mater

    Hamel was a mini-model for how World War I could be won

    It wasn’t a bad model for how WW2 could be won, either.
    Heinz Guderian was at the receiving end at Amiens and used what he saw as the basis for his ‘Blitzkrieg’ doctrine.

  21. Dr Faustus

    Senate committee backs Russia collusion meme? Any reliable sources yet?

    Apparently.
    Senate Select Committee on Intelligence July 3, 2018

  22. mh

    So what Frank, Walmart has to take responsibility. WTF were they thinking?

  23. zyconoclast

    Italian minister aims to unite European nationalist parties

    Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League, wants to bring together ‘all the free and sovereign movements’

  24. Armadillo

    Pretty sure this game is rigged. I’ve been about a bit. Sideway glances. Adjusting the glasses. Two taps with the right foot. Don’t think I haven’t noticed. The steward is in on this shit.

  25. Mater

    You’re a retired soldier?

    I think there are a few here, officers too.

    One of my favourite history books is The Third Reich at War by Michael Veranov.

    On reading the initial chapters of that, Heinz Guderian was the champion of the Wehrmacht, even though he was only a brigadier or major general. That book seems to say until Guderian’s intervention with his Panzers, the invasion of France was actually going terribly for the Germans and was probably going to fail.

  26. Some History

    For anyone interested.

    Volume UP.

    Modern slant on Classics.

    Improvviso Fantasia Op. 66 (1976) – Gian Piero Reverberi

  27. zyconoclast

    Trump Administration to Rescind Obama Guidelines on Race in College Admissions

    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration will begin directing schools and colleges to adopt race-neutral admissions standards, the Education Department said Tuesday, reversing Obama-era guidelines that encouraged the use of race to promote diversity.

  28. Armadillo

    Top Ten. Again

    On the take more likely.

  29. mh
    #2754520, posted on July 4, 2018 at 12:09 pm
    So what Frank, Walmart has to take responsibility. WTF were they thinking?

    “If I piss off my customers, they ruin my business..”

    Quite inexplicable really. A mini-suicide note?

  30. zyconoclast

    New algorithm uses brain scans to tell how smart you are

    Brain scans vs. intelligence scores

    “We are doing very well,” Dubois continues, “but we are still quite far from being able to match the results of hour-long intelligence tests, like the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.”

    He continues, pointing out another potential study weakness. “Since the algorithm is trained on intelligence scores to begin with,” he says, “how do we know that the intelligence scores are correct?”

    Indeed, since the creation of intelligence tests over a century ago, these cognitive tools remain highly controversial to this day.

    Some claim that there is no such thing as an objective measurement of intelligence, given that many intellectual traits are culture-specific.

  31. Baldrick

    34th Battalion A.I.F

    Grant, Douglas (1885–1951)
    In January 1916 Grant enlisted as a private in the 34th Battalion, Australian Imperial Force, but when his unit was about to leave for overseas service he was discharged because of regulations preventing Aboriginal people leaving the country without government approval. He again enlisted and in August embarked for France to join the 13th Battalion. On 11 April 1917, during the 1st battle of Bullecourt, he was wounded and captured. He was held as a prisoner of war in a camp at Wittenberg, and later at Wünsdorf, Zossen, near Berlin. He became an object of curiosity to German doctors, scientists and anthropologists—the sculptor Rudolf Markoeser modelled his bust in ebony—and was given comparative freedom.
    A popular member of his battalion, Grant had also impressed his German captors as a man of superior intellect; to his fellow prisoners he was aggressively Australian. His attainments included a wide knowledge of Shakespeare and poetry and considerable skill as an artist and bagpipe-player.

  32. Mater,

    Have you read the book I mention? Is the theory about Guderian saving the invasion of France correct?

    Or am I functionally illiterate?

  33. mh

    Walmart’s excuse to Fox News:

    “These items were sold by third party sellers on our open marketplace, and were not offered directly by Walmart. We’re removing these types of items pending review of our marketplace policies,” a Walmart spokesperson told Fox News.

  34. zyconoclast

    German magazines don;t like Trump

    Stern

    Der Spiegel

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Heinz Guderian was at the receiving end at Amiens and used what he saw as the basis for his ‘Blitzkrieg’ doctrine.

    That’s the first I knew of that, Mater, thank you. Amiens was “a black day for the German Army”, and the start of the “Hundred Days’ – the most complete series of victories ever achieved by the Allied Armies, where the German Army, contrary to later propaganda, was utterly defeated in the field.

  36. Rafe Champion

    Boys toys. Don’t miss the horses!

  37. Tintarella di Luna

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2754483, posted on July 4, 2018 at 11:50 am
    Ciao gatti e gattine

    ‘Nbaie goeie more vir almal op die Kat.

    Is that Afrikaans for caio gatti e gattine Zulu?

  38. I am obviously talking about Guderian in World War Two, but reading the thread it might seem a little muddled.

  39. Armadillo

    I am, Frank (dot).

    Shady characters everywhere in these parts. I suspect this thread won’t go well.

  40. mizaris

    Tintarella di Luna

    Delightful scene in “Finding Your Feet” where this song was sung.

  41. mh

    If so many soccer games cannot be decided in 120 minutes, maybe they need to start tweaking the rules.

    How about no goalkeepers?

  42. Dr Faustus

    The Intelligence Community Assessment:

    We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S . presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump

    Further:

    We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him

    But interestingly:

    The FBI had a collection of reports a former foreign intelligence officer was hired to compile as opposition research for the U.S. election, referred to as the “dossier,” when the ICA was drafted. However, those reports remained separate from the conclusions of the ICA. All individuals the Committee interviewed verified that the dossier did not in any way inform the analysis in the ICA- including the key findings – because it was unverified information and had not been disseminated as serialized intelligence reporting.

    So, we know that there was an attempt by Russia to discredit Clinton, but not whether PissGate was an attempt by Russia to discredit Trump – or just a fabrication cooked up by the DNC.

  43. egg_

    Is Malcolm pissing into the wind the same as pushing water uphill?

    Heat exchangers on large brine lakes could rake in some solar dollars around the clock.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    ,

    Grant had also impressed his German captors as a man of superior intellect; to his fellow prisoners he was aggressively Australian. His attainments included a wide knowledge of Shakespeare and poetry and considerable skill as an artist and bagpipe-player.

    I wonder if the Aboriginal Douglas Grant referred to above is related to Stan Grant?

  45. Mater

    Sorry Dot, I haven’t read that one.

  46. The shootouts just go to sudden death, maybe run-ins like what are used in hockey now.

    The NRL would benefit from more draws, golden point merely congests the ladder.

    Some draws here and there and the middle of the pack would be spread out a bit more by the virtue of a few teams no longer being on an even number of points.

  47. John Constantine

    How casinos servicing chicom whales really offer services of value.

    They aint here for the gambles and meals.

    “The strongest desire among China’s wealthy is to get their money—ill-gotten or otherwise—out of the country, safe from the threat of government seizure. One prevalent method for magicking money across the border, in defiance of strict capital controls, begins with companies called junkets. They bring wealthy clients from the mainland, where gambling is illegal, to the VIP rooms of casinos in Macau. There, the junkets extend the clients credit to play baccarat, a game of luck at which they’re likely to win or lose a negligible amount. At the end of play, clients cash out their balance in the currency of their choice. The debt is collected in yuan, in China. Everybody wins: The clients have converted yuan into dollars or euros or sterling, and the middlemen get a cut.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-02-15/a-chinese-company-has-conquered-a-piece-of-america

  48. Dr Fred Lenin

    The senatemobs cover up got their mates in “intelligence “ is hardly surprising of course the Russians would want a hard nose real American in the White House rather than a totally incompetent , crooked female lawyer who can easily bought , of course they had bribed her during the uranium scam so they even knew the price .
    These muppets must think we are like their decromat rino supporters, bloody stupid .
    Hilarity’s socialist gang has done more damage to the USA than any Russian could even dream of ,typical aparats plenty of arrogance and absolutely no ability except to stuff things up .

  49. Mater

    That’s the first I knew of that, Mater, thank you.

    Zulu, it’s undoubtedly a controversial statement, but I’ve heard it said that: Australia developed Blitzkrieg during WW1 (Monash at Hamel) and then showed the World how to defeat it in WW2 (Morshead at Tobruk).

  50. Tintarella di Luna

    Tintarella di Luna

    Delightful scene in “Finding Your Feet” where this song was sung.

    and sung by the original Diva – Mina – what a voice – she sang some of the most amazing songs in the late ’50s and ’60s — and certainly pushed the boat out – she is still going strong at 78

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is that Afrikaans for caio gatti e gattine Zulu?

    Not being terribly fluent in certain languages, I translated “caio gatti e gattine” as a greeting of some sort, what you were wished was “Good morning to all on the Cat.”

  52. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The problem with the World Cup is that after the group stages, teams play not to win, but to not lose.

    Creates low scoring bore fests.

    It’s actually a metaphor for our fallen and shameful world.

  53. Second thoughts about the sexual revolution:

    First, the destigmatization and mass adoption of artificial contraception, beginning in the 1960s, followed by widespread legalization of abortion, has radically changed the world in which we now find ourselves.

    This is an important countercultural point. Over the years, a great many people have claimed that sex is merely a private act between individuals. They’ve been wrong. We know now that private acts have cumulative public effects. Individual choices, such as having children out of wedlock, have ended up expanding the modern welfare state, for example, as the government has stepped in to support children who lack fathers. The explosion of sexual activity thanks to contraception has been accompanied by levels of divorce, cohabitation, and abortion never before seen in history. And as the MeToo movement shows, the same shift has contributed to a world in which on-demand sex is assumed to be the norm, to the detriment of those who resist any advance, for any reason.

    RTWT.
    h/t: Dreher

  54. Tintarella di Luna

    what you were wished was “Good morning to all on the Cat.” Thank you Zulu — this morning is a bit of a curate’s egg — am at work but feeling very very poorly so I think I will have to go home and get under the blankets – feeling all feverish and crook

  55. calli

    Yikes! Why was I not informed?

  56. OneWorldGovernment

    This was drawn to my attention and I would appreciate any observations from the Catallaxy commentariate.
    (I have no idea who is behind auforum.net)

    The truth about pensions defies the lies of our leaders

    “So where is our money Malcolm?”

    Nick Minchin on the Tony Jones ABC TV Program Q & A 11/09/2008 stated quite clearly that funds were not, have not and are not collected and held in a bank account waiting for the government to pay it out in the form of the Old Age Pension, or words that meant, “exactly that.”

    As an ex Australian Federal Government finance Minister, now shadow defence minister, this man knows that his statement on that television program, was a blatant lie (and he said it with a look of such sincerity on his face).

    Well, it certainly was collected and it amassed such huge amounts that this government and those preceding couldn’t help themselves. Without any right, they plundered it and spent billions of it over the years. This was money earned by the people themselves through hard work and often deprivation (as a legislated obligation, part thereof was collected by the Tax Department for this very purpose).

    To this day this money is collected as a tax which originally, specifically, and intentionally was to fund, “the Aged Pension.”

    To dispel misinformation from Party Politicians and their spin doctors, here are some historical facts that every Australian (especially the young who are under the miss-guided belief and/or assumption that they are funding the Aged Pension from their current hard work) should know.

    The young are in fact funding their own Pension Fund and to add insult to injury they are forced to pay into a super fund.

    1939 – 1945
    World War II

    1942 – 1943
    As a Wartime measure, the Federal Government gained sole control over Australian Income Tax. Labor Prime minister (Ben Chifley) introduced three bills to establish the National Welfare Fund, to be financed by a Compulsory Contribution (levy) of one and sixpence in the Pound (20/-) on all personal income.

    Opposition Leader (Robert Menzies) stated that the Compulsory Contribution (levy) should be kept completely separate from other government income streams, that it should be shown separately on the Taxation Assessment and paid straight into a “TRUST” account, and not mixed with the General Revenue.

    Menzies said “The stigma of charity should be removed from the Age Pension.” and that “It should be an entitlement earned by the person’s personal contribution to the fund.”

    1946
    Prime Minister Chifley agreed and established The National Welfare fund as at 1/1/1946.

    A “Trust” Fund with the Parliament as “Trustee.” The Compulsory Contributions (levy) commenced as at 1st January 1946. It was shown separately on the personal Tax Assessments for 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 and 1950 and the compulsory levy was properly paid straight into the Special “Trust” fund and Welfare claims were paid out of the fund.

    The balance in the fund in 1950 was almost 100 million pounds.

    1949
    Robert Menzies became Prime Minister and he introduced Bills to amend the acts governing the National Welfare Funds.

    The Compulsory Contributions (levy) was then grouped with the Taxation Assessment and appeared as one amount on the Taxation assessments and was paid as one amount straight into the Consolidated Revenue Account. The sabotage of the National Welfare Fund had commenced.

    The Opposition Labor Party had collaborated in this sabotage by remaining silent instead of opposing Menzies’ action.

    1951 – 1985
    The compulsory levy of 7.5% now included in the tax continued to be collected and placed in the Consolidated Revenue Account treated as General Revenue and spent, until 1985.

    1974 – 1975
    Labor Prime Minister (Gough Whitlam) abolished income test for all persons 70 years of age and over and paid pensions to all people over that age.

    1975
    Liberal Prime Minister (Malcolm Fraser) cancelled the Whitlam legislation.

    1977
    Liberal Prime Minister (Malcolm Fraser with Treasurer Philip Lynch) transferred the balance in the Welfare Fund Account (approximately $470,000,000) to Consolidated Revenue Account.

    1985
    Australian Labor Government repealed acts No. 39, 40 and 41 of 1945 (The National Welfare Fund Acts). Thus the funds finally ceased to exist yet the 7.5% levy continued to be collected as a proportion of the Income Tax revenue. It also introduced the (much maligned) Income and Asset Tests, thereby excluding millions of levy and tax paying Australians from receiving Social Services Pensions.

    This money these self funded contributions paid as a percentage of the total income tax collections are today worth far more than the amount of means tested pensions paid out.

    Actuaries have calculated the non-means tested entitlement due to each retiree, today is in excess of $500 per week.

    This surely debunks the politician’s claim that the generation are paying a proportion of their current taxes to cover the payments made to pensioners. The obvious short fall has been swallowed by the Government’s Taxation black hole.

    The historical summary above highlights the fact that politicians of opposing political parties each contributed to the agenda to destroy the entitlement as it was intended. Why? They had no mandate to do so, it clearly was not and is not the will of the people.

    While Party Politicians on both sides are controlled by a few people who are hidden from public view yet are open to manipulation and outright corruption, there can be no certainty of the payment of pensions.

    Only a majority of truly Independent representatives can bring about a change from Government under corporate control, to Government for the People, of the People, by the People.

    Just because a cabal of political miscreants become so greedy that they change the way a tax looks in the Ledgers, IN NO WAY REMOVES THE FACT THAT THIS TAX IS STILL COLLECTED TO THIS DAY TO PROVIDE FOR THE SUPPLY AND CONTINUATION OF THE OLD AGE PENSION – A STIPEND TO THE ELDERLY CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE WORKED FOR DECADES OF THEIR LIVES TO BUILD A NATION AND HAVE FROM WORKING DAY ONE OF THEIR LIVES, BEEN PAYING 7% PLUS OF THEIR TAXES DIRECTLY TOWARDS THIS PENSION.

    The old age pension:

    is not a privilege

    Is not a right

    Is not a gift

    Is not welfare

    The Old Age Pension is an asset owned and accrued by each Australian Citizen who has funded this asset from their very own purse.

    The governments of the day were employed to amass, secure, invest and manage a fund that in its first 5 years bulged to almost £100,000,000, an amount that today would be worth approximately $240 million.

    They did amass, secure, invest and manage – and the figures were colossal and frightening to them and hence they conspired to hide them back into the consolidated Revenue bucket and to this day, that bucket has been brimming with a 7.5% tax collected specifically and only, for the Old Age Pension.

    No, young Australians, you are not paying for the welfare of Baby boomers, you are paying for yourselves, new immigrants, the needy in society requiring social services and welfare, dole recipients and the bludgers, BUT YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE OLD AGE PENSION OF ELDERLY AUSTRALIANS WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES IN THIS COUNTRY AND PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES.

    Credit: Albert Caine

  57. Mother Lode

    Balders,

    I clicked on the link for Douglas Grant and saw in the summary box:

    Cultural Heritage: Indigenous Australian

    I wonder if that was how he felt – the bio, beyond mentioning the death of his parents, only outlined his life in mainstream Australian society.

    It seems ethnicity and culture are the same now.

    Explains why progressives think being against multiculturalism racist, and how having an Islamic heritage is a matter of race.

    The amount of damage done by sloppy progressive thinking must be near incalculable.

  58. Opposition Leader (Robert Menzies) stated that the Compulsory Contribution (levy) should be kept completely separate from other government income streams, that it should be shown separately on the Taxation Assessment and paid straight into a “TRUST” account, and not mixed with the General Revenue.

    Did he really say that? He was a QC at the bar who argued constitutional law.

    What he “proposed” would have and still would require a constitutional amendment – the change or repeal of section 81 of the Commonwealth Constitution.

    See Roy Morgan Research Pty Ltd v Commissioner of Taxation [2011] HCA 35. Bad news, compulsory retirement savings are determined to be “revenue” as in tax.

  59. Makka

    How very convenient for the 50 or so Democrat pollies who handed their computer services over to this guy. I guess now we’ll never know how deep the corruption goes, and how much dosh and intel went out the door to Pakistan.

    Unless Awan has a plea deal and this State charge (bank fraud) is a hold on until the Fed indictments are unsealed and Awan is actually a witness for that prosecution. The word is that the servers are in the hands of Huber.

    This is just one episode in the series.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    Leyonhjelm is certainly escalating this issue – he ain’t gonna apologise that’s for sure no matter what the ‘pussy’ says

    Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm says his description of women as “bitches” and calls for them to “shut the f… up” have been “mischaracterised as sexist abuse” when they’re “just abuse”.

    Senator Leyonhjelm claimed his use of derogatory language was “normal Australian behaviour”, as Foreign Minister Julie Bishop became the latest senior politician to call for him to apologise for telling Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young to “stop shagging men” and “f… off” following a Senate debate about violence against women.

    “I think we need less name calling and more civility in public life,” Ms Bishop told the Seven Network. “Senator Leyonhjelm has offended Senator Hanson-Young, she’s taken great offence at his comments, therefore he should apologise.”

    Ms Bishop also criticised Senator Leyonhjelm’s description of Malcolm Turnbull yesterday as a “pussy”, after the Prime Minister called on him to apologise to Senator Hanson-Young and linked disrespect for women to violence against them.

    “We shouldn’t be calling the Prime Minister names, we should be acting with more respect towards each other. I suggest more respect not less in public life,” Ms Bishop said.

    Labor leader Bill Shorten repeated his calls for Senator Leyonhjelm to apologise, saying he was concerned the libertarian senator was attempting to appeal to a “small fringe” within the Australian electorate and ignoring what the “other 90 per cent” think.

    “I think the smartest thing for Senator Leyonhjelm to do would be to apologise,” Mr Shorten said. “Part of what concerns me about this debate is that I’m now concerned that Senator Leyonhjelm thinks that he’s appealing to five or 10 per cent of the electorate and he doesn’t really care what the other 90 per cent think,” he said.

    “I mean people are sick and tired of politicians calling each other names. I get that. But I think this is more than just everyday name-calling. I don’t think that women should have to go to work and have to put up with that free character analysis from people who it’s just not their right or their position.

    “He may be a senator in the parliament, but that doesn’t mean that you’re entitled to cast judgement on every other person just because you’re a senator. Whilst it may appeal to a small fringe within the Australian electorate, I think it’s undermining the perception which people have of Australian politics, which is already, let’s be fair, not too high.”

    Sky News commentator and former Tony Abbott chief of staff Peta Credlin revealed Senator Leyonhjelm had told her to “shut the f… up” on Twitter when she disagreed with him over gun laws, telling him in an editorial on her show on Monday night: “Good luck with that, you idiot. I won’t. Because on many occasions, I believe you, David Leyonhjelm, have brought the dignity of elected office in this country into disrepute, and I only hope at the next election voters send you packing.”

    Senator Leyonhjelm has also described Network Ten journalist Angela Bishop as a “bigoted bitch”, and wrote back to an elderly constituent telling her to “go away and stop proving you are a bimbo”.

    Asked whether he had a problem with women, Senator Leyonhjelm said his comments had been mischaracterised.

    “I think you’re mischaracterising it as sexist abuse when it’s just abuse,” he told ABC radio.

    “I am an Australian, and I’ll tell people they’re bastards or bitches or to f… off irrespective of their gender.

    “If I think they should shut up, I’ll tell them to shut up. This is normal Australian behaviour. I don’t discriminate between men and women. I will tell them both equally.

    “If I think they’re wrong, I’ll call them out, I’ll tell them to shut up.

    “Whatever abuse I level at people it is a fraction of what I receive back again, of course. (Ms Credlin) just called me an idiot, for example, so she’s quite capable of dishing it out.”

    Asked whether a higher standard should apply to someone holding elected office, Senator Leyonhjelm said he did not believe he had ever been asked to withdraw a comment in parliament, unlike Senator Hanson-Young.

    His exchange with Senator Hanson-Young last week took place in the Senate chamber, but was not part of formal debate. “She is called out for her unparliamentary, obnoxious behaviour practically every week in the parliament. I’m not. So I maintain the standard in parliament,” he said.

    “Outside parliament, or when it’s not in Hansard, I am a normal Australian. I’m elected by normal Australians. Normal Australians call people bitches, bastards, shut up, various things of that nature.

    “Now if you say to me, ‘OK now you’re elected by Australians, now having been elected you’re now going to start behaving differently from Australians’, it’s a ridiculous proposition. Ridiculous.”

    ABC radio host Hamish Macdonald said any “ordinary Australian” using such language towards colleagues in a normal workplace would lose their job.

    “If I spoke to one of my female colleagues in that way, I would immediately be reported to human resources. I would be surprised if I didn’t lose my job,” he said.

    Senator Leyonhjelm responded by saying that Macdonald would get the opportunity to vote for someone other than him at the next election.

    Leyonhjelm defends calling Turnbull a “pussy”

    Asked why he had described Mr Turnbull as a “pussy”, Senator Leyonhjelm said he was making the argument that the Prime Minister “shouldn’t just lie down and roll over misandry”.

    “Misandry is equally as bad as misogyny,” he said.

    “The Prime Minister is on record as having called out misogyny. Fine. I’m happy to call it out myself. But he should also call out misandry. It’s equally as bad. It’s also sexism. And for not doing so he’s a doormat, basically. He should call it out.”

    Asked whether he was enjoying the attention his dispute with Senator Hanson-Young had given him, Senator Leyonhjelm said it was all part of the job, but he hadn’t sought it.

    “We have exchanges in the Senate all the time, and Sarah decided to stand up and make a statement after Question Time on Thursday and have a swing at me,” he said.

    “If I was to let that go and not stand up for myself, I’d be the pussy, wouldn’t I?”

    Senator Leyonhjelm denied Senator Hanson-Young’s allegation that he had “slut-shamed” her.

    “Absolutely not,” he said.

    “What I was doing in the chamber was calling out misandry, double standards. She said words to the effect that all men are rapists.”

    Senator Hanson-Young has denied saying “all men are rapists”.

    “That’s a lie. I never said those words. I never inferred those words. And frankly, I don’t believe them,” she told the Nine Network yesterday.

    “We were having a debate over a motion that had been put forward that said that Australia’s laws for imports should be weakened to allow personal Tasers and pepper spray to be imported into Australia so that in order to, the argument was being made that women could use these personal devices to protect themselves from violence.

    “I said that I didn’t think putting Tasers on the streets would make women safer from men.”

    Senator Leyonhjelm also cited comments Senator Hanson-Young made on the Seven Network a fortnight ago as evidence that she claimed “all men are incapable of controlling themselves and men are pigs and morons.”

    MacDonald played a recording of her comments, which were made in response to calls for women to be careful following the rape and murder of Melbourne woman Eurydice Dixon.

    “It is not women’s fault that men behave like morons and like pigs. It is time that these people are held to account and we call out this type of behaviour,” Senator Hanson-Young said.

    “She didn’t say ‘all men’. She just said ‘men’, MacDonald told Senator Leyonhjelm. “That’s your interpretation, isn’t it?’’

    “Well it’s your interpretation that she deliberately left out the word all,” Senator Leyonhjelm said.

    “She didn’t say ‘some men’ either.

    “There was one man responsible for the rape and murder of Eurydice Dixon in Melbourne. “That’s what she was referring to, so one man. She then refers to men being unable to control themselves and being pigs and morons, it’s sufficient for me to believe that she is a misandrist, she’s a sexist.”

    Asked whether he has a problem with women, Senator Leyonhjelm said: “Of course not. I’ve been married 34 years.

    “That’s a very silly question to ask. I’m calling out misandry. I have a problem with people who don’t accept the fact that sexism includes misandry as well as misogyny,” he said.

    “A bias against men, which Sarah Hanson-Young has, is misandry. It’s the other side of the coin to misogyny.”

    Senator Leyohjelm said misandry and misogyny were equally dangerous.

    Asked how often the hatred of men led to their rape and murder, he said.

    “I have no idea, you probably know more about that than I do.”

  61. Chris

    Yikes! Why was I not informed?

    You were. Check your Australia Post box in four to eight business days.

  62. Habib

    Missed the bloody bus. dicking around on the old thread with a pack of dingoes. Bloody awful band.

  63. Zyconoclast

    Some History
    #2754526, posted on July 4, 2018 at 12:12 pm
    For anyone interested.

    Volume UP.

    Modern slant on Classics.

    Improvviso Fantasia Op. 66 (1976) – Gian Piero Reverberi

    Very interesting.

  64. How very convenient for the 50 or so Democrat pollies who handed their computer services over to this guy. I guess now we’ll never know how deep the corruption goes, and how much dosh and intel went out the door to Pakistan.

    One law for the progressive heroes of da Resistance, another law for the lumpen proletariat.

    Or maybe… and stay with me here, because I know this is hard for you to hear… just maybe, Jeff Sessions’ DOJ knew they had no evidence of any corruption, this case was about some low-level fraud, and your conspiracy theories were all bullshit from the get go.

  65. Mother Lode

    I am beginning to get the distinct feeling that ‘any day now’ will never come.

  66. Zyconoclast

    The Federal Court has quashed a decision to cancel the visa of Richmond Tigers star Dustin Martin’s father, Shane Martin.

    Mr Martin was deported to New Zealand in 2016, after then immigration minister Peter Dutton cancelled his visa citing his criminal record and links to an outlaw bikie gang.

    The orders were allowed by consent, meaning lawyers for Mr Dutton did not fight the final outcome, in court in Sydney yesterday.

    When Mr Dutton’s lawyers foreshadowed dropping the case late last year, the Home Affairs Department argued the outcome would not result in Mr Martin being allowed to re-enter Australia.

    Mr Martin would have to apply for a visa to return, which is available on arrival in Australia because he is a New Zealand citizen.

    But that application would carry with it the same character test under which he was deported, which means it is unlikely he would be allowed in.

    Quashing the cancellation of the visa is based on a technicality. At the time of making the decision, the Minister said Mr Martin was or had been a member of a criminal organisation.

    In other cases, the court had found that a Minister had to make a definite decision, rather than present an ‘either or’ prospect, when making such a ruling deemed to be in the national interest.

    “Had Shane been in Australia when this decision was made, he would probably be a free man in Australia,” Mr Martin’s lawyer John Kotsifas told the ABC.

    “But unfortunately, he was deported to New Zealand and not in Australia at the relevant time.

    “In Shane Martin’s case he had no criminal history which would entitle the Minister to cancel his visa with confidence, so he relied on other grounds which the courts have found to be invalid.”

    The Federal Court also ordered the Commonwealth to pay Mr Martin’s legal costs.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-04/federal-court-quashes-decision-to-cancel-dustin-martin-dad-visa/9938394

  67. (Ugh..posted accidentally on old thread).

    Hamish McCuckle interrogates Senator DL on Radio National.

    This just keeps on getting better and better.

  68. Chris

    Or maybe… and stay with me here, because I know this is hard for you to hear… just maybe, Jeff Sessions’ DOJ knew they had no evidence of any corruption, this case was about some low-level fraud, and your conspiracy theories were all bullshit from the get go.

    If so, why is it concealed by people at a high level? Low level frauds see perps charged and press releases showing the problem was cleared up.

  69. Habib

    I think there are a few here, officers too. A few still serving as well, hopefully not traceable by the elephant trackers.

  70. If so, why is it concealed by people at a high level?

    Chris, there is nothing to conceal. Listen to yourself. You sound like a crazy person.

  71. Zyconoclast

    Matthew Guy promises 290,000 new lots for homes in Coalition housing affordability plan

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-04/matthew-guy-announces-housing-affordability-plan/9938570

  72. “What kind of person calls the PM (Malcolm Turnbull) a pussy”?

    Gee, I don’t know Hamish.

  73. Roger

    Liberty Quote
    From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production.

    — Ayn Rand

    Silly Ayn Rand. Our success depends on digging minerals out of the ground and importing people.

  74. OneWorldGovernment

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2754574, posted on July 4, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Opposition Leader (Robert Menzies) stated that the Compulsory Contribution (levy) should be kept completely separate from other government income streams, that it should be shown separately on the Taxation Assessment and paid straight into a “TRUST” account, and not mixed with the General Revenue.

    Did he really say that? He was a QC at the bar who argued constitutional law.

    Frank,

    “Did he really say that”?

    It’s the complete ‘story’ as above I’m trying to find out and I was hoping that folk on here can either shoot it down or verify it.

    If it is bulltish then I can go back to the person and tell them as such.

    But if it is true then as I said earlier The former Liberal Party of Australia need tearing asunder for their duplicitous criminal crap and the Turnbull Treason Team is merely the true face of what the Lieborals have always been.

  75. Chris, there is nothing to conceal. Listen to yourself. You sound like a crazy person.

    This is the fella that has been running hard on Wussia since 2016.

  76. Turns out the Human Headline actually reckons Hanson Young roughly said the remark she denies (confirmed on twatter). Cory says she has a record for being unparliamentary and DL rattled off a list of unparliamentary comments SHY has made over the last four years in that dreadful “interview” with Hammy McCuckles.

    Go on Sarah, sue another Senator with the evidence (including tendency evidence and a contemporaneous witness) against you and very strong statutory and common law defences available to Lanehome.

    [Lanehome actually said …”pointing out that Sarah has had boyfriends is not defamatory” – that’s all she’s got really].

    The optics will be great!

  77. Mother Lode

    This is the fella that has been running hard on Wussia since 2016.

    Any day now.

    Aaaany day now!

    Oh, it is going to be so GREAT! You are going to have so much egg on your face.

    Aaaaany day now…..

  78. JC

    I can’t stand listening to her, Dot. What did Orca say in the interview?

  79. She just said “I did not say X..”, Hinch “I can confirm said she said words to the effect of…” …etc.

  80. H B Bear

    Hunch knows a bit about being in the witnesss box. Usually just before he is hauled off to the can.

  81. Dr Fred Lenin

    Dr Faustus I think the report was a cover up of the aparatchiks criminal behaviour regarding Trump, covering the asses of the FBI /CIA/DOJ criminals .look at it logically . Putin preferred an unknown tough New York developer with the programme Trump publicly proposed , to a corrupt criminal bribe taking theiving inept lawyer , who had already been bribed by the Russians in the uranium scam ? I think Putin’s FSB would have laid the facts on the line for him, hilarity would have been a pushover for the oligarchs just like the “socialists “in Germany bribed by giving them well paid non jobs in Gazrom when they” retired to spend more time with their families “. You know like our corrupt ones do .

  82. Taxes on a new car can add up to nearly 60% given the LCT, tariffs, GST and stamp duties (not to mention registration and government tolls and excise taxes). Take a car at $65k and do the sums.

    Not to mention quotas on used car imports!

    Lanehome with Alan Alan, 2GB back in April.

  83. dopey

    We need more basketballers in the Senate.

  84. Habib

    No quotas on imports, however they need an import approval from DOTARS which is defacto import licensing. Then you have to pay a dud engineer to fit an unnecessary compliance plate for a few grand.

    Of course you can wait til your car’s over 30 years old, and bring it in without any mods including conversion to RHD. Most legislation is illogical and unnecessary, but the mess that’s motor vehicles is retarded even by government standards.

  85. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
  86. Habib

    And no duty, GST only. For a car free of idiot airbags, most emission controls and even seatbelts and collapsible steering columns. ADRs are for road safety. Like excise is for health promotion.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    Great pic somewhere on Twitter of 6 ballerinas, fully frocked, backstage at the Bolshoi. All crouched over a tiny i-phone watching Russia’s penalty shootout. Degas would be inspired.

  88. Oh god.

    All conservatives and libertarians ought to see this shit show.

    Kevin Bloody Rudd on MSNBC telling Yanks to change or abolish Amendment II.

    Molon labe.

  89. Herodotus

    Aha! So this is the real story:
    Breitbart: Senate-intel-committee-releases-old-findings-on-russia-media-acts-like-they’re-new.

  90. jupes

    We need more basketballers in the Senate.

    Filipino basketballers maybe.

    Most of the Aussies sat on the bench and watched their mates get smashed.

  91. Snoopy

    “What kind of person calls the PM (Malcolm Turnbull) a pussy”?

    I can’t recall anyone at my pub calling Turnbull a pussy.

  92. Snoopy

    Societal decline in one stat:

    https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/1014276459068841987

    Tyto Alba
    @euneaux
    ·
    1h
    I got 99 problems, but a Millennial wife’s college debt from her worthless degree ain’t one.

    LOL

  93. calli

    Rudd is becoming Michael Moore with a better suit. He fairly oozes.

    If something is “transparent for all to see”, isn’t it invisible and what you see is behind it?

    Brrrrrrrrr.

  94. DrBeauGan

    I can’t recall anyone at my pub calling Turnbull a pussy.

    Snoopy, that’s one of the few things I haven’t called him.

    But I will now.

  95. Habib

    Most people I know call him a more Anglo-Saxon term for the same organ.

  96. calli

    I think he’s pussy. Nothing a bit of carbolic applied with a scrubbing brush wouldn’t fix.

  97. I got 99 problems, but a Millennial wife’s college debt from her worthless degree ain’t one.

    The other worthless excuse is a costly wedding. Church weddings are quite cheap. Under a grand.

  98. jupes

    Good to see Lanehome doing the rounds and sticking to his guns.

    He plays a straight bat to all the ‘gotchas’ and most of the media fuckwits are shocked when he doesn’t apologise or accept any of their stupid premises.

    He did particularly well with that Hamish idiot. Even started pulling the piss out of him by the end. I reckon that pretty soon they’ll stop inviting him on their pathetic programs.

    Good on him.

  99. Tel

    It’s the complete ‘story’ as above I’m trying to find out and I was hoping that folk on here can either shoot it down or verify it.

    If it is bulltish then I can go back to the person and tell them as such.

    The original idea to create something in Australia similar to the US compulsory “Social Security” fund turns out to be unconstitutional in Australia. All government revenue must go into one big fund, end of story.

    However, the money was never returned it just quietly got dropped into general revenue and Australian government pensions come out of general revenue.

    Much later compulsory Superannuation came out with private funds and a “guarantee levy” which strangely enough was ok… even though it kind of does the same thing by a slightly different wording. Go figure.

  100. Family law is too rigged against men. You ought only to get married if you find a gal who wants a family and believes that divorce is wrong.

    Otherwise, you’re just walking into no mans land. Metaphorical snipers, artillery, mines and machine gun fire await.

    The alimony laws in the US are quite brutal. I wonder if they have ever been challenged under Amendment VIII [in both the civil and criminal sense].

    (The jurisprudence on criminal cases under Amendment VIII is not great, see;

    Rummel v. Estelle, 445 U.S. 263 (1980)

    Harmelin v. Michigan, 501 U.S. 957 (1991)

    Lockyer v. Andrade, 538 U.S. 63 (2003))

  101. Snoopy

    I got 99 problems, but a Millennial wife’s college debt from her worthless degree ain’t one.

    The other worthless excuse

    I don’t think that is a worthless excuse. Useless debt is just another affliction best avoided.

  102. Snoopy

    He did particularly well with that Hamish idiot.

    Leyohjelm’s had plenty of practice, he should be getting better.

  103. I don’t think that is a worthless excuse. Useless debt is just another affliction best avoided.

    People cohabiting but not married are still subject to whatever restraints this debt creates. That is why it is worthless.

  104. Baldrick

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2754549, posted on July 4, 2018 at 12:24 pm
    I wonder if the Aboriginal Douglas Grant referred to above is related to Stan Grant?

    Unlikely Tinta, Douglas was ‘stolen’, which would explain his superior intellect.

    Douglas Grant was born into a traditional Aboriginal community in the Bullenden Kerr Ranges of Northern Queensland in the early 1880s. Originally named Poppin Jerri, his early family life was torn apart in 1887 when his parents and much of his Aboriginal community were killed in what was believed to be a tribal fight. He was rescued just moments from death by scientist Robert Grant, a Scottish immigrant surveying in the area at the time. There were no other survivors. Grant decided that the best course of action was to care for the little boy himself. Naming him Douglas, he raised him as his son.

  105. Snoopy

    I would have liked DL not to let Hamish off the hook defining slut shaming.

  106. Wow.

    The New York Times asked the same question I did, back in 1973:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/25/archives/a-special-kind-of-debt-alimony.html

    There are substantial constitutional questions posed by the current laws:

    • Two years ago the United States Supreme Court decided that a poor person cannot be put in jail because he is unable to pay a fine. Does a lower court have the power to imprison a husband who also is too poor to make support payments?

    • The Supreme Court has also held that a person cannot be imprisoned for more than six months for criminal contempt without having received a jury trial. Is it possible to extend this to cover civil contempt?

    The NYT was uncucked in 1973!

  107. Snoopy

    B.E.S.T. A.V.O.I.D.E.D.

  108. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Conservatism has two natural synergies – Marriage and property ownership.

    In one generation that has been eliminated thanks to government policies and societal decline.

    The future is awful and will only be getting worse.

  109. OneWorldGovernment

    Tel
    #2754657, posted on July 4, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    The original idea to create something in Australia similar to the US compulsory “Social Security” fund turns out to be unconstitutional in Australia. All government revenue must go into one big fund, end of story.

    However, the money was never returned it just quietly got dropped into general revenue and Australian government pensions come out of general revenue.

    Much later compulsory Superannuation came out with private funds and a “guarantee levy” which strangely enough was ok… even though it kind of does the same thing by a slightly different wording. Go figure.

    Aaah!

    Thanks Tel.

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    So that’s why the excise duty on fuel cannot pay for roads.

    Liebarols and Labor without U are just thieves for Big Government, Big Unions and Big Business.

  111. Earmarking is simply not legal at a Federal level, OWG. See section 81 of the Commonwealth Constitution.

  112. OneWorldGovernment

    The sooner that Australian Coal Mining is shut down the better the world will be.

  113. Eddystone

    I would have liked DL not to let Hamish off the hook defining slut shaming.

    Me too. I’m not sure what it is supposed to mean. Is it supposed to be that calling someone a slut is somehow a bad thing because being a slut is really empowering and a good thing? I don’t think DL called her a slut, did he? She brought that term into the discussion.

    What about fat shaming? Is that a problem for SHY too?

  114. OneWorldGovernment

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2754671, posted on July 4, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Earmarking is simply not legal at a Federal level, OWG. See section 81 of the Commonwealth Constitution.

    Yes Frank.

    So any pisshead donk that says we will have medicare levy or a Queensland flood levy is a straight up criminal lier.

  115. MISOGYNY CORNER

    How do you keep a woman satisfied with only 3.25 inches?

  116. stackja

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2754666, posted on July 4, 2018 at 3:11 pm
    Conservatism has two natural synergies – Marriage and property ownership.

    In one generation that has been eliminated thanks to government policies and societal decline.

    The future is awful and will only be getting worse.

    Gough legacy again.

  117. Mother Lode

    Gough legacy again.

    It has always creeped me out – the way the left idolised the man they called ‘our most senior statesman’, Gough.

    If they could have you know they would have loved to build him a grand mausoleum with a glass coffin so the wukkaz could file past.

    Whether they wanted to or not.

  118. Myrddin Seren

    How do you keep a woman satisfied with only 3.25 inches ?

    Anyone knows an ant, can’t
    Move a rubber tree plant

    But he’s got high hopes, he’s got high hopes
    He’s got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

    So any time your gettin’ low
    ‘Stead of lettin’ go
    Just remember that ant
    Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

    Harvey Weinstein’s favourite song. #TrueStory

  119. C.L

    The ABC …
    When a libertarian senator abuses a Greens senator:

    David Leyonhjelm’s comments to Sarah Hanson-Young continue parliament’s history of sexist abuse.

    When Tom Ballard abuses an Australian Conservative …

    ABC under fire for labelling Australian Conservatives candidate a ‘c**t’

    … the ABC refuses to withdraw:

    A senior ABC executive has apologised to Australian Conservatives candidate Kevin Bailey after he was labelled a “c—” on Tom Ballard’s Tonightly program…

    However, the ABC insists the apology does not mean it was wrong to broadcast the segment …

  120. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Banking RC has the decency to put a real Indigenous person in the witness box, not some smart arse undergrad who self identifies.

  121. mizaris

    What is the whale going to sue for?

    “Stop shagging men”? Should he have said “stop shagging everything”; “stop shagging women”; “stop shagging sheep”; “stop shagging anything”???

    How is “stop shagging…..” offensive. The woman has obviously been shagging as she has issue.

    How is “fvck off” offensive? It’s the most commonly used expression in this country.

    The whale is a fool.

  122. The answer was “Give her a credit card”, but that was witty enough, Myrddin.

  123. Myrddin Seren

    …but that was witty enough, Myrddin.

    Stay for the supper show, Frank. Chef recommends the veal.

  124. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Aboriginal lady at the RC thanked the Commissioner for his time, and bowed to the Bench from the back of the hearing room. Looking at you baghead El-Zahed.

  125. Viva

    Julie Bishop batted down Mr Abbott’s Paris agreement claims saying it was always intended Australia would be accountable for the targets. “Australia plays by the rules – if we sign an agreement we stick to the agreement,” she said.

    This confirms what we already knew – the government is dumb as a rock.

    Turnbull says there’s “almost universal support across the country” for the plan, including from the minerals industry, manufacturers and unions.

    This confirms, in case there was any doubt, that the rest of the country’s leadership is also dumb as a rock.

    “A lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck” – which is quickly running out…..

    NEVER A TRUER WORD

  126. Mother Lode

    The answer was “Give her a credit card”, but that was witty enough, Myrddin.

    Some cards offer longer lines of credit than others…

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    So, who will tell the Julie Bishop to get farqued?

  128. H B Bear

    Turnbull says there’s “almost universal support across the country” for the plan, including from the minerals industry, manufacturers and unions.

    The Australian Holy Trinity – Big Government, Big Business and Big Union.

  129. Mother Lode

    if we sign an agreement we stick to the agreement,” she said.

    If we drive down a dead end street we keep driving.

    If we stick our heads in an oven, the head stays there.

    Facile! Punitive!

  130. Facile! Punitive!

    Innovative! Agile!

    The Greens and ALP will never vote for you and yours, Malcolm!

  131. Mother Lode

    Actually, given how bovinely obedient they are handing last decade’s causes OPM:

    Docile! Donative!

  132. Chris

    So any pisshead donk that says we will have medicare levy or a Queensland flood levy is a straight up criminal lier.

    Also a guns levy /sarc

  133. OneWorldGovernment

    There is one explicit way to fix the problem for VICPOL as to whether offenders are South Sudanese or not and that is to hamstring the entire community.

  134. Geriatric Mayfly

    So, who will tell the Julie Bishop to get farqued?

    Who would be game? Those gamma rays from Stabby the Stick Insect can vaporise a whole herd of elephants.

  135. Mother Lode

    including from the minerals industry, manufacturers and unions.

    None of whom actually vote. Their individual officers do, but they are vastly outnumbered by Hoi Polloi.

    Perhaps you could ask them, Maol.

    He must toss and turn in his bed like a Hollywood starlet trying to work out how it was that he almost lost the last election. He had miners and manufacturers on board – that’s (hang on…2 divided by 3, times 100) that’s 66% support across the nation!

    It should have been a landslide!

  136. OneWorldGovernment

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2754696, posted on July 4, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Facile! Punitive!

    Innovative! Agile!

    The Greens and ALP will never vote for you and yours, Malcolm!

    Frank

    Tell me the difference between the Communist Green and Labor without U and the Turnbull Treason Team?

  137. Makka

    Turnbull says there’s “almost universal support across the country” for the plan, including from the minerals industry, manufacturers and unions.

    The traitorous UniParty, a handful of wet limp wristed SJW bosses who are shit scared of the green leftist media and a bunch of commo union thugs.

    That’s who run this country and who are running it into the ground.

  138. Mark from Melbourne

    Is that a line of credit, or are you just happy to see me?

  139. OneWorldGovernment

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2754702, posted on July 4, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    So, who will tell the Julie Bishop to get farqued?

    Who would be game? Those gamma rays from Stabby the Stick Insect can vaporise a whole herd of elephants.

    I’m game.

  140. Mother Lode

    Those gamma rays from Stabby the Stick Insect can vaporise a whole herd of elephants.

    I saw on a David Atternborough program the other night that the praying mantis (who Bish resembles most) is the only insect that can see in three dimensions. Bishop, of course, can see height, width, and opportunity.

  141. John Constantine

    If frankenstabby bishop signs a convention on consuming turd sandwiches that was never taken to the Australian people as an election platform, the despised proles will just have to be unwavering as they munch away on turnbullite promises in bread.

    Comrades, being unwavering in our consumption of fecal falafels is our Strength.

  142. OneWorldGovernment

    Section 44 should be referendumed to include banning anyone that has anything to do with law and unions.

  143. Makka

    Oh dear, I see the party of Hastert has another Congressman in trouble for rock spider enabling.

    The accusations are directed at someone else and Jordan denies knowledge. Old and fake news. This is mOron’s leftist media in action because Jordan is a powerful figure gunning for real human trafficking sickos in the Dems and HRC.

    mUnty giving us reports about allegations but let’s disregard the convictions of Hillary’s campaign staff for p e dofilia?

    Oh dear indeed.

  144. OneWorldGovernment

    When does Australia cut out of the tax shemozzle the whole principle of Charities and Not for Profits.

    Abbott and the creepy non existent liberal party of Australia allowed a died in the wool communist like gillard destroy Australia wide volunteer organizations and put in place unionised useless NDIS.

  145. Chris

    Comrades, being unwavering in our consumption of fecal falafels is our Strength.

    PT,PT!
    Good for you, good for me!
    HOO AH!

  146. Oh dear, I see the party of Hastert has another Congressman in trouble for rock spider enabling.

    Strong words coming from the mouth of someone aligned to the party of Collins, D’Arcy, Orkopolous, and Wright.

  147. OneWorldGovernment

    NDIS = No Death Is Sufficient

  148. JC

    Monster, Monst

    Rock spidering isn’t a term applying to issues dealing with college students who also happened to be deemed legal adults, you moron. That’s not to suggest that inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature doesn’t count, but they aren’t children, you donut swilling moron.

  149. JC

    Sinc,

    Can you please get rid of Fatboy for at least a month – even longer.

  150. JC

    Joined to what Makkaroni said.

    You idiot, monster.

  151. Makka

    Make it permanent. The sick little fk deserves it.

  152. It’s a terrible time for monty. Good. Let us make it worse.

  153. johanna

    Roger
    #2754607, posted on July 4, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    Liberty Quote
    From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production.

    — Ayn Rand

    Silly Ayn Rand. Our success depends on digging minerals out of the ground and importing people.

    Time we got rid of the myth that modern mining is just ‘digging’ stuff out of the ground. It makes it sound like the Seven Dwarves.

    In fact, modern mining is production, even if the ore or whatever is not processed here. It is very high tech, and very competitive on international markets.

    It is not some geezer with a pick and shovel hoping to strike gold. The whole process, from finding stuff to evaluating whether it is worth digging up to deciding on and installing the technology to do it is absolutely production, and nothing to be ashamed of.

    Why people scornfully characterise projects that can cost a billion dollars in investment before they produce anything as just ‘digging stuff up,’ as though any fool could do it, is a mystery.

  154. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Oh dear, I see the party of Hastert has another Congressman in trouble for rock spider enabling.

    You jerk.

    The attack on Jim Jordan is a cycnical and evil character assassination to hurt his re-election chances.

    This is what happens when you go after the deep state.

  155. OneWorldGovernment

    JC & Makka

    I prefer the idiot m0nty in preference to the likes of a bulltish artist like Boris and his sock puppets.

  156. OneWorldGovernment

    Deep State scum head Paul Ryan is saddened that (“suddenly”} these terrible things are coming out about Jim Jordan (“who should”) and it interferes with the deep state transfer of power.

    Jim Jordan is a dirty bitch.

    Wonder if he is a Catholic?

  157. cohenite

    Worth repeating from the other thread; DL interviewed by some abc pussy:

  158. Rae

    Boris has sock puppets? I think he’s a sole trader.

  159. jupes

    Worth repeating from the other thread; DL interviewed by some abc pussy:

    Check out the head-tilt on the cuck.

  160. OneWorldGovernment

    Obama farqued withe Brexit Vote.

    Sinister Foreign Leader Caught Trying to Overturn Democratic Vote in UK…

    Sinister foreign powers have been caught meddling in the elections of a Western sovereign nation, using nefarious threats to undermine the democratic will of the people. And the corruption goes right to the very top.

    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/02/obama-meddled-with-uk-brexit-referendum/

  161. OneWorldGovernment

    Rae
    #2754729, posted on July 4, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    Boris has sock puppets? I think he’s a sole trader.

    I defer to the head of the sock puppets.

  162. woolfe

    Yes Kevin Rudd does look like Baba the Hutt in a good suit these days. Still i’m sure the Trump Empire will be hanging on his every word.

  163. OneWorldGovernment

    What is the difference between the Turnbull Treason Team, the Greens and Labor without U?

  164. JC

    jupes
    #2754730, posted on July 4, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    Worth repeating from the other thread; DL interviewed by some abc pussy:

    Check out the head-tilt on the cuck.

    DavidL didn’t handle the interview well. He came across as defensive when he should have been totally plastering their ABC piece of shit for being a biased douchebag. He needs to be far more aggressive with these scumbags and don’t give them an inch. Walk out of the interview if necessary, but don’t accept biased interviews.

  165. calli

    if we sign an agreement we stick to the agreement,” she said.

    If only Abbott had made her sign a non-stabby agreement.

    She would have honoured that I’m sure.

  166. OneWorldGovernment

    Let us go back.

    When did the weazle political and bureaucratic elite decide we needed all the Senators we have.

    In a house where they were supposed to look after the State’s they were supposed to represent.

  167. Rae

    Boris has sock puppets? I think he’s a sole trader.

    I defer to the head of the sock puppets.

    LOL. You’ve got it all wrong.

  168. He needs to do what the Hungarian Foreign Minister did in the BBC interview recently.

  169. OneWorldGovernment

    If the Abbott happens to gain the nod then unlike Credlin I would kick him in the crutch if he ever deviated.

    The liberal party are full on pooftas.

  170. Eddystone

    Worth repeating from the other thread; DL interviewed by some abc pussy:

    What a puerile attempted gotcha by young Hamish.

    I still don’t know what “slut shaming” is.

  171. OneWorldGovernment

    Rae
    #2754741, posted on July 4, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Boris has sock puppets? I think he’s a sole trader.

    I defer to the head of the sock puppets.

    LOL. You’ve got it all wrong.

    then stop being a wimp.

  172. H B Bear

    mUnty giving us reports about allegations but let’s disregard the convictions of Hillary’s campaign staff for p e dofilia?

    Even mUnty’s distraction squirrels are low energy. Sad.

  173. JC

    And also why go on the ABC in the first place. There’s no reason to as you can only lose. You can never get your point across because they interrupt deliberately and you can misplace your train of thought or make an disjointed argument. Never go on the ABC unless you’re prepared to tell the interviewer to fuck off because they’re biased, leftwing douchbags.

  174. thefrolickingmole

    Sarah “Australian detention centers are just like nazi concentration camps” Dugong-Dung is concerned she may have been unfairly characterized in an unflattering manner?

  175. Rae

    I am far from a wimp. Maybe you should stop watching the Monty Python Bruce episode. You seem to have it on rotation.

  176. OneWorldGovernment

    Rae,

    What do you think about Boris’ assertion, based on CNN diatribe, and then the untried criminal Susan Rice, that North Korea is thumbing their nose at President Trump and building nuclear bomb delivery sites?

  177. Makka

    I prefer the idiot m0nty in preference to the likes of a bulltish artist like Boris and his sock puppets.

    OWG,

    It’s what mUnty represents, supports and spruiks that I loath. I disagree with Boris, often, but he doesn’t support or represent the sick leftist deviant scum mUnty enthusiastically cheers for on this blog.

  178. Rae

    I have no interest in what Bor
    is said. I just don’t think he’s a sock puppet.

  179. Rae

    Bor is? Hmm. He could be Jor El for all I know. But not a sock puppet.

  180. JC

    Gargs

    If you told us you’re as ill as you made out, why are you bothering to get into pedantic stoushes all the time. I honestly don’t get it. Enjoy your life.

  181. OneWorldGovernment

    Rae
    #2754749, posted on July 4, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    I am far from a wimp. Maybe you should stop watching the Monty Python Bruce episode. You seem to have it on rotation.

    I’ll have to look it up because I do not know the “Bruce” episode.

    I think the Monty Python team were funny.

    But individually communist.

    Good to see you engage in a discussion Rae.

  182. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Gargs

    If you told us you’re as ill as you made out, why are you bothering to get into pedantic stoushes all the time. I honestly don’t get it. Enjoy your life.

    We are his only human contact.

    This is as good as it gets for GrigRae.

  183. thefrolickingmole

    We are his only human contact.

    Unless you count home tanned human hides.

  184. Mater

    We are his only human contact.

    Of the living variety.

  185. OneWorldGovernment

    Makka
    #2754751, posted on July 4, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    I prefer the idiot m0nty in preference to the likes of a bulltish artist like Boris and his sock puppets.

    OWG,

    It’s what mUnty represents, supports and spruiks that I loath. I disagree with Boris, often, but he doesn’t support or represent the sick leftist deviant scum mUnty enthusiastically cheers for on this blog.

    Makka,

    I hear what you say.

    But consider.

    m0nty is the finest troll on this or any other site I have ever been to.

    JC will go and eat a meal with him.

    I trust m0nty whereas I would not trust some others on here.

  186. Snoopy

    What’s the betting that Monty’s latest tar baby is revealed to have been a registered Democrat?

  187. calli

    I still don’t know what “slut shaming” is.

    – calling a slut a slut and causing her to feel shame at her sluttiness
    – calling a non-slut a slut and causing her to feel shame because unjustly accused
    – being shamed by a slut

    After that I got nuffink.

  188. OneWorldGovernment

    This is a Lady

    Melania Trump Visits Wounded Service Members on July 4th Eve

    First lady Melania Trump spent the day before America’s Independence Day with wounded service members at Water Reed medical center in Bethesda, Maryland.

    “I had a wonderful visit to @WRBethesda today,” Mrs. Trump posted to her social media, along with several photos of her visit. The visit was unannounced and revealed after she arrived at the military medical center.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/03/melania-trump-visits-wounded-service-members-on-july-4th-eve/

  189. calli

    Bruce.

    Hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum.

  190. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1322

    Or maybe… and stay with me here, because I know this is hard for you to hear… just maybe, Jeff Sessions’ DOJ knew they had no evidence of any corruption, this case was about some low-level fraud, and your conspiracy theories were all bullshit from the get go.

    I have a bridge you might like to buy?

  191. The accusations are directed at someone else and Jordan denies knowledge. Old and fake news. This is mOron’s leftist media in action because Jordan is a powerful figure gunning for real human trafficking sickos in the Dems and HRC.

    Mm hmm, more QAnon rubbish at the Cat. This is what you jokers consume every day now. USSR wouldn’t know what to do with himself if he wasn’t banned. Would probably post stupid cartoons.

  192. Makka

    M0ssad to the Iranian General accusing the Joos of stealing their clouds;

    @TheMossadIL
    Follow Follow @TheMossadIL
    More
    Iran. Seriously. You’re dealing with an enemy that controls your clouds, fault lines, and woodland creatures. Why would you want to mess with us?

    11:41 AM – 2 Jul 2018

    (M0ssad parody account)

  193. calli

    M0ssad to the Iranian General accusing the Joos of stealing their clouds;

    First they came for the shoes…

    Is there no end to their evil?

  194. Makka

    Mm hmm, more QAnon rubbish at the Cat.

    No mOron, the info came from your link. Which you didn’t even read you fkwit.

  195. Boambee John

    Snoopy at 1436

    I can’t recall anyone at my pub calling Turnbull a pussy.

    However, there are many synonyms!

  196. Snoopy

    How many days until Cohen flips, Monty? Is it two? Or three? I can’t be bothered going back to your breathless post.

  197. Makka, you assert that the Democrats are the human trafficking sickos, yet it’s the Republican government which has lost touch with the carers of around 1500 young children of asylum seekers placed in the community.

  198. Correction: not children of asylum seekers, actual asylum seekers themselves, as unaccompanied minors.

  199. Snoopy

    No mOron, the info came from your link. Which you didn’t even read you fkwit.

    Oh, dear! Thwack!

  200. Oh come on

    m0nty was just a day or two ago whining over people making defamatory statements, then he comes in and accuses a sitting US congressman of enabling kf-ing, despite the fact that no one making these allegations has been identified as being under age.

    You should spent less time on here trying to score gotchas which never go anywhere and more time trying to convince your friends to take anger management classes.

  201. OneWorldGovernment

    Mueller and his Mob got rid of Arthur Anderson.

    It turned out that the complete fabricated bullshit of Muellers mob was overturned.

    10 years later.

    The real mob was Enron.

    And one of the accolades of Enron now run AGL.

  202. Makka

    This the team on the left that mUnty belongs to, supports and represents here.

    DSA= Democratic Socialists of America.

    as a dsa chapter co-chair, i would like to cosign this pro-communist statement.molly 🌹 added,
    Olivia Katbi Smith 🌹أوليفيا كاتبي

    @livkittykat
    As a DSA chapter co-chair I just wanna set the record straight for a minute: communism is good
    4:55 PM – 1 Jul 2018

    There’s an old saying ; “If you have to use Democratic in your handle, usually you are anything but.”

  203. Chris

    Makka, you assert that the Democrats are the human trafficking sickos, yet it’s the Republican government which has lost touch with the carers of around 1500 young children of asylum seekers placed in the community.

    Ooooh… the child welfare Public Sector people, part of who we call the Resistance and the Deep State? The ones who behave with 100% professionalism, know what is best for us all, and swing 79% Democrat, yet keep their jobs from one administration tot he next because they are the Public service, not political appointees??
    Of course, after major public tantrums by such people that they do not serve the Orange one, we must accept its the Orange one’s fault if they make a mistake? That Republican Government?

  204. Mater

    m0nty is the finest troll on this or any other site I have ever been to.
    JC will go and eat a meal with him.
    I trust m0nty whereas I would not trust some others on here.

    JC obviously has a cast iron constitution.
    Boris will hang around and defend his position with considered ideas. Additionally, I get the impression that he is somewhat more worldly than m0nty and bases a lot of his opinions on lived experience. I respect his views even if I don’t always agree with them.
    Monty just spruiks the party line, then cuts and runs when proven wrong. Gutless.
    I know who I’d want to back me up in a tight spot.

  205. struth

    This confirms what we already knew – the government is dumb as a rock.

    They are not Dumb.
    They are traitors.
    People receiving a lot more money than you to screw Australia for the U.N.
    Earlier today I made the comment that the only time you’ll see skeletor or Malcom fight is when their U.N. agreements are threatened.

    Is this because they are dumb?
    Really?

    It would be a hell of a lot easier to do what the Australian people are screaming out for, but as Friedfreddoburger said, this is going to happen DESPITE what the people want.

    I must now state that it is so bleeding obvious they are traitors, I wonder who is really the dumb ones.
    The government, or those thinking our pollies are creating this disaster because they’re nice people, just not very bright.

  206. Snoopy

    Correction: not children of asylum seekers, actual asylum seekers themselves, as unaccompanied minors.

    What sort of xunts dump kids in the desert?

  207. OneWorldGovernment

    The bloke that runs AGL is worse than MS-13.

    Any xunt that owns a share of AGL is filth.

  208. Oh come on

    You yourself might want to go along to the anger management classes, m0nts. You did say you’d probably spit on the unfortunate woman your friend decided to attack if you saw her in the street, so you too seem to be primed to assault her.

    Another case of leftist beta males taking their inadequacies out on women.

  209. Chris

    OWG, I had the pleasure of firing Arthur Andersen myself, so I am somewhat curious as to what you mean by ‘fabricated bullshit of Muellers mob’.

  210. JC

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2754756, posted on July 4, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    Gargs

    If you told us you’re as ill as you made out, why are you bothering to get into pedantic stoushes all the time. I honestly don’t get it. Enjoy your life.

    We are his only human contact.

    This is as good as it gets for GrigRae.

    I genuinely feel/felt sorry for the fuck and hope for his sake the illness isn’t as serious as most people would initially believe. But next day , he’s back here having the most pedantic skirmishes with people. I don’t get it.

  211. JC

    Mater, let me assure you that if I was in a tight spot, Monster would be the last person I’d expect assistance from. Boris on the other hand is a decent guy.

  212. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    Bourke St accused James Gargasoulas faces new jury scrutiny
    The Australian
    1:36PM July 4, 2018

    Tessa Akerman
    Reporter
    Melbourne
    @TessaAkerman

    Accused Bourke Street driver James Gargasoulas will stand trial in November if a jury finds him mentally fit.

    A Supreme Court jury last month failed to reach a unanimous verdict on whether the 28-year-old was fit for trial but Justice Mark Weinberg this morning ordered another jury investigation into his mental state.

    Mr Gargasoulas is charged with six counts of murder and 28 counts of attempted murder relating to the January 2017 tragedy in Melbourne’s CBD.

    Mr Gargasoulas was diagnosed with schizophrenia while in custody but the Supreme Court previously heard he was not responding to the treatment available in prison.

    Mr Gargasoulas’ barrister Theo Alexander today told the court his client would “greatly benefit” from treatment which was available only at the Thomas Embling psychiatric hospital.

    “We maintain that Mr Gargasoulas is unfit to be tried,” Dr Alexander said.

    From the Oz.

  213. Mater

    Thanks for the verification JC. Noted for future reference.

  214. OneWorldGovernment

    Every single refugee that is allowed into Australia should have their foot cut so they cannot run.

    Farque them all.

  215. Tailgunner

    Any xunt that owns a share of AGL is filth.

    Any Cats dispute this?
    Lol OWG, red pills for lyfe.
    All the time.
    Dude, I wanna meet you!
    Let’s actually have a big back alley Cat council.
    We should be able to afford a Jetstar /Malindo ticket&a room.

  216. Rae

    Bruce.

    Hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum.

    No. Rules 1, 3, 5, & 7.

  217. Delta A

    calling a slut a slut and causing her to feel shame at her sluttiness

    My understanding of the term is as calli wrote, except that the woman in question isn’t actually ashamed – hence the ‘slut walks’ where women are proud to dress to type – she is merely miffed because they’re called sluts for dressing like sluts.

  218. Tailgunner

    Jupes – CV8 Monaro? Yeah. The Trumptwagon will have a go!
    Once my Cam goes in 🙂
    Supercharger one day?
    Jesus. 400+ at the wheels.
    Dude! It’s gotta happen.
    I have to build a legit Weapon of a car.
    Arky – forget the fenders, put some massive engine in the thing!
    Model A-Team!

  219. notafan

    No condemnation Monty, of parents who willingly placed their alleged ‘children’ in the hands of coyotes.

    Or of Obama, whose policies created this problem in the first place.

  220. OneWorldGovernment

    Chris
    #2754794, posted on July 4, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    OWG, I had the pleasure of firing Arthur Andersen myself, so I am somewhat curious as to what you mean by ‘fabricated bullshit of Muellers mob’.

    So what.

    I had the pleasure of firing Coopers & Lybrand.

    It turned out that the viscous arzholes from the Communist DoJ had pursued Arthur Anderson and it was all found out to be bullshit.

  221. Tailgunner

    Oh, you have no idea just how much 😉
    I carry the name of Slut, with honour

    When used effectively, no better sexual ownership term, IMO.
    *actual text is quoted*

  222. m0nty was just a day or two ago whining over people making defamatory statements, then he comes in and accuses a sitting US congressman of enabling kf-ing, despite the fact that no one making these allegations has been identified as being under age.

    You should spent less time on here trying to score gotchas

    So you lot have decided to go with “er but that’s not technically rock spidering”. Good job, that argument is really going to win the day. Joe Paterno should have used that one.

  223. Tailgunner

    THE NATION
    Bourke St accused James Gargasoulas faces new jury scrutiny
    The Australian

    Tiger, as usual, is all over it. He called the end of Australia first.
    This stuff ends in war. Eventually.
    This country is done.
    What a time to be alive.

  224. Oh come on

    So no retraction of your initial claim, m0nts?

    What sounds like attempted sexual assault is very wrong. But it’s a different kettle of fish from kf-ery, m0nts. As you well know. Now, off to your anger management class right now. You wouldn’t want to lose control and spit on a woman.

  225. OneWorldGovernment

    Tailgunner
    #2754801, posted on July 4, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Any xunt that owns a share of AGL is filth.

    Any Cats dispute this?
    Lol OWG, red pills for lyfe.
    All the time.
    Dude, I wanna meet you!
    Let’s actually have a big back alley Cat council.
    We should be able to afford a Jetstar /Malindo ticket&a room.

    Ask Mark A. where I live.

    Or better still, Mr Rossini.

    When I went to the city, out of the bush, I got a job being a ‘brickies labourer’ while I waited for ‘guidance’.

    I used to admire the old bricklayers.

    I could keep the mud and bricks up to them.

  226. Oh come on

    er but that’s not technically rock spidering

    No, it’s not “not technically rock spidering” – it *isn’t* rock spidering you dopey shit. Now retract or fuck off to your anger management class. Actually, you have to go to your anger management class or your ankle bracelet starts beeping.

  227. monty is very, very angry, my friends.

  228. Tailgunner

    YES,OWG, you’re going to have to get to the capital.
    But you won’t have to sling mud. Just a few tequilas with me.
    Stimpson, you’re coming too.

  229. OneWorldGovernment

    No JC

    Boris is worse than m0nty.

    m0nty is just a scattergun but will fight and argue.

    Boris just asserts and backs nothing up.

    Boris G is a puppet of Putin.

  230. OneWorldGovernment

    Tailgunner
    #2754816, posted on July 4, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    YES,OWG, you’re going to have to get to the capital.
    But you won’t have to sling mud. Just a few tequilas with me.
    Stimpson, you’re coming too.

    Which capital you silly bastard?

  231. JC

    So you lot have decided to go with “er but that’s not technically rock spidering”. Good job, that argument is really going to win the day. Joe Paterno should have used that one.

    Okay fatboy. Here’s the thing. Bill Clinton was known to travel to Lolita Island with Richard Epstein on Epstein’s private jet. It’s known that Epstein was using that island to have sex with young women and in some cases young girls. Epstein used to have parties there with his friends to have sex with these girls and women. Clinton traveled down there 17 times we know of. Are you going to now… right here and now… accuse Clinton of being a rockspider.

    Yes or no?

  232. notafan

    Owg

    Your national welfare fund is a crock.

    Go and read some newspapers published in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

    The money that set up the fund came from consolidated revenue, it never collected enough to pay the annual child endowment, window’s pension age pension unemployment disability and other benefits it was supposed to cover and was abandoned within four five years when the government realised it was an unaffordable monster, though we are pretty much in the predicted predicament anyhow.

    As Judith Sloan has pointed out the capital value of an Australian age pension is over one million dollars, which is why anyone who migrates here over the age of 55 should never be eligible for it.

  233. Tailgunner

    monty is very, very angry, my friends.

  234. Makka

    Makka, you assert that the Democrats are the human trafficking sickos, yet it’s the Republican government which has lost touch with the carers of around 1500 young children of asylum seekers placed in the community.

    They are illegal entrants, children who were in fact separated from parents BEFORE arriving illegally in the US. They arrived UNaccompanied.

    This is what leftist rag Wapo’s Fact Checker thinks of your bullshit mOron;

    Share The Facts
    Tim Kaine
    U.S. Senator (D-Va.)

    “This administration is separating kids from their parents and unable to account for 1,500 lost children! Shame.”

    WAPO:FALSE

    Sunday, May 27, 2018

    More from WaPo fact checker;

    Kaine – Dem; ‘This administration is separating kids from their parents and unable to account for 1,500 lost children!’

    This startling claim has spread like wildfire online; Kaine (Democrat) is not alone in tweeting it. Did the government suddenly lose track of 1,500 children?

    In a word, no.
    The Department of Health and Human Services resettled 7,635 children in the United States from October 2017 through December 2017.All 7,635 children were resettled by HHS.”

    mOron, here’s more fake news from your Kenyan’s scummy team,

    A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration’s treatment of immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents.

    Jon Favreau, who worked as a speechwriter for former President Barack Obama, tweeted, “This is happening right now, and the only debate that matters is how we force our government to get these kids back to their families as fast as humanly possible.”

    Favreau said he later deleted the tweet after social media users pointed out that the photos were taken during the Obama administration.

  235. Tailgunner

    Which capital you silly bastard?

    Calm down, we haven’t worked that out yet.
    But Sydney or MelVegas I reckon.

  236. Oh come on

    Don’t forget Clinton protégé Anthony Wiener, aka Carlos Danger, who’s in the slammer for sending dick pics to a 15yo.

  237. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2754820, posted on July 4, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    Owg

    Your national welfare fund is a crock.

    But where those acts of Parliament true or not.

    And it is not a crock.

    The so called lieberal party of Australia conned Australians for years.

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