Wednesday Forum: July 4, 2018

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  1. Frank

    Gilliam is about to become an un-person.

    He is one of the best ones out there, along with the Handmade Films crew. Withnail & I would never get made these days, that is a tragedy.

  2. Mater

    Yes I suspect the killing of live chickens on camp has gone the way of man perms. Some things are best left in the 80s.

    Slowly, slowly, Bear. They’ve been exposed to the reality. The rest will come as necessity dictates. It’s all just a matter of hunger!

  3. Leigh Lowe

    Gender reassignment surgery is not really for the home hobbyist.

  4. johanna

    H B Bear
    #2755778, posted on July 5, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    Giraffe, the critter was already dead. Plenty can debone a chook, too.

    Mater – that logic doesn’t follow either. On our Year 8 camp, which was intended to provide some Lord of the Flies experiences in the safety of the private school education, our group of 4 boys was happy to chop the head off our condemned boiler chicken but no-one wanted to stick their hand up and gut the thing. So we threw the thing in the fire and had baked beans for dinner. Based on an amateur assessment of the thing I don’t think we missed out on much for dinner anyway.

    That’s pathetic. Had they never gutted a fish, either?

    When we first came to Australia we lived on a market garden across from a chook farm, in Marsfield. I well remember as a small child watching Mrs Papandreou dissecting a chicken and removing with extra care the unplopped eggs, which were a delicacy.

    I met up with my nephew recently, and he is taking his kids fishing and gutting the fruits of their labour. It seems to be a minority pursuit these days.

  5. Mater

    Mrs L once threatened me with tweezers and nail clippers.

    Beats a knitting needle. 😉

  6. Gab

    How are you faring, Mater?

  7. Mater

    I’m real good, Gab. Thanks.
    Not as good as new…but who is?
    Should be around, to shit stir JC, for a while yet! 😉

  8. Baldrick

    Tasmanian man Christo Brown has been found guilty of raping a woman in her 70s in Launceston during a burglary in 2015.

    Tasmanian African man Chri …

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope you people all noticed in that fence climbing video the brachiating guy was missing half an arm. He still didn’t miss a beat.

  10. Frank

    Tasmanian man Christo Brown has been found guilty of raping a woman in her 70s in Launceston during a burglary in 2015.

    When it comes to raping women in their 70s it usually is African men for some reason.

  11. struth

    A man committed a crime today in Australia.

    He was an Australian.

    When do they say this?
    Never.
    What a joke.

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Erk. I’ve just discovered we have to get a Yellow Fever injection for Africa. Didn’t even have to do that for cruise ship stops going around the Horn in South America.

  13. C.L

    Not as good as new…but who is?

    Me!

  14. Percy Popinjay

    Am I allowed to complain about getting yet another frigging jury summons??

    A thirteen week trial, FFS.

  15. Geriatric Mayfly

    The woman who climbed up on the Statue of Liberty and sat on the monument’s base is in detention, She has been named by US media as Therese Okoumou, a 44-year-old immigrant from DR Congo.

    Looks like this one came in as a skilled immigrant.

  16. slackster

    All the talk of chopping off the male member up-thread reminded me of this classic:

  17. hzhousewife

    Another massive issue in the Australian Public Service is nepotism.

    Nepotism is a big problem in all layers of government, and business too. We are guilty in our small business, we hi-jacked the 15 yr old for a while, but were stymied by her disinterest in working for us and her many and varied extra-curricular activities at the time. so we were spared the stain of nepotism by her utter refusal to work in the business. She has made her own way, with guts I have to say.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Am I allowed to complain about getting yet another frigging jury summons??

    A thirteen week trial, FFS.

    The advice I was given was “If you want not to be selected, wear a good suit, and borrow a regimental tie. The defence doesn’t like ex – servicemen on juries. They tend to believe the accused must be guilty, or they wouldn’t have been arrested in the first place.”

  19. Mater

    I’m really concerned about Mike from Marion.

  20. Gab

    Yes, me too, Mater. And also Fergus.

  21. Snoopy

    I vividly recall being phoned by a junior Ministerial staffer at 4.15 pm on a Friday because he had seen something on social media.

    Because a ‘request’ from a twenty-two year old ministerial advisor must be treated as a request from the minister.

    FMD.

  22. struth

    I have under quoted.
    There is not enough Money to make me go to Melbournistan on Sunday.

    Appleton Docks.
    Ye hah….All the best places.

  23. hzhousewife

    When it comes to raping women in their 70s it usually is African men for some reason.

    20 years ago my Dad’s cousin was raped at age 78. Culprit was (very white bread) son of neighbour across the road, recently released from jail. She was stoic, and got very good support from the Salvos and local counselling, it was the physical damage that took it’s toll rather than mental in her case. Tough cookie.

  24. Delta A

    I’m really concerned about Mike from Marion.

    Yes, and Rudieau.

  25. slackster

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2755822, posted on July 5, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    I hope you people all noticed in that fence climbing video the brachiating guy was missing half an arm. He still didn’t miss a beat.

    Also a prosthetic left leg which he didn’t use to help him jump

  26. hzhousewife

    its (for the pedantic)

  27. Infidel Tiger

    My local independent grocer is selling the scam bags for 9cents.

    This is of course all a plot by Coolies to put them out of business, so I will do whatever I can to support them like all righteous citizens must.

    A gentle reminder that anyone shopping at woolworths or Coles is an evil xunt determined to destroy civil society. That goes double for anyone purchasing liquor from them.

  28. hzhousewife

    I’m really concerned about Mike from Marion.

    Yes, and Rudieau.

    and dweezy, about whom we may never know…

  29. cohenite

    To Hell and Back with Audie Murphy on Gem right now; great movie, great man. Apparently his grave is the second most visited after JFK’s.

  30. Geriatric Mayfly

    Erk. I’ve just discovered we have to get a Yellow Fever injection for Africa. Didn’t even have to do that for cruise ship stops going around the Horn in South America.

    Mozzies prefer warmer climes. South Africa has earmarked several African countries, entrants from which must have a YF certificate. And boy! do they exercise vigilance, both if you are departing for one or returning. Don’t know which countries Australia has in its little yellow book. I recall on my very first trip o/s I had to get a smallpox inoculation. A nasty suppurating wound ensued, plus the permanent scar; which pots and pots of Oil of Ulay will not tone down.

  31. Someone said that someone said that something happened 40 years ago.

    30 years at the time the charges pertained to.
    You don’t think he’d remember two altar boys telling him a fellow priest had buggered them?

    AFAIK the trial went thus:
    Father Fletcher was arrested & charged with child abuse.
    Father Fletcher was jailed.
    Father Fletcher died in jail.
    ….. a year or two passed……
    A drunk homeless type said “Y’know what, Father Fletcher fiddled with me too”
    He got quite a hearing….. so a mate of his said “Y’know what, it happened to me too”
    Asked why they never said anything when Fr. Fletcher was charged, or in fact until after he was dead, nor to their family, nor their parents, in fact not to anybody, not even when they were so drunk they were seeing pink elephants… they (both) said:
    “But we told Fr. Wilson at the time, it’s nothing more to do with us after that”

    Father (now Archbishop) Wilson was asked about this, he said, “That’s 30 yrs ago, I don’t remember a bloody thing”
    After that confession of cover-up Archbishop Wilson was charged with concealing a crime.

    Trial was convened, with no Jury, and no Judge.
    A Magistrate – suitable for hearing parking tickets & the like – was judge, jury and executioner.

    The 2 x drunks (mates remember) told the Magistrate (usually an introverted & pussified former Clerk-of-Court or something) that they’d sure told Fr. Wilson at the time that Fr. Fletcher had been fiddling with them.
    Archbishop Wilson repeated that he “Had no such recollection, and it was 30 yrs ago”
    The prosecutor pointed out that Fr. Wilson & Fr. Fletcher were quartered in the same priest accommodation building.

    The Magistrate then said:
    1/. This story of reporting to Fr. Wilson is being told by more than one person, so it must be true. Because more than one person is saying it, it is proven.
    2/. Fr. Fletcher was quartered in the same building as Fr. Wilson, so Wilson had to know what Fletcher was up to.
    3/. Fr. Wilson never at any time reported this abuse to the police, this proves he was “sitting on” the reports made to him by the boys.

    “I find him guilty”

    Anything I’ve got wrong?

  32. BorisG

    If you prefer civilisation to ruination put the LNP, ALP and Greens in the last three spots on your next ballot paper.

    Shorter Peter: Vote LNP!

  33. Mater

    C.L
    #2755826, posted on July 5, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    Not as good as new…but who is?

    Me!

    CL,
    Thanks for popping that positive bubble I had going. I didn’t need it anyway! 🙂

  34. Gab

    CL,
    Thanks for popping that positive bubble I had going.

    Just be grateful he didn’t post that horrid gillard jiggly video.

  35. hzhousewife

    This is of course all a plot by Coolies to put them out of business, so I will do whatever I can to support them like all righteous citizens must.

    This sentiment is about 20 years too late of course. But admirable. Local ladies of leisure are making “boomerang bags” for free, to hand out to all and sundry in order to cut the use of plastic bags. I do not know the answer to the conundrum of capitalism, but it one of the reasons I admire Jordan Petersen is becasue he points out that we all have a dark side. We all support slavery, are just not aware of it. Maybe I’m a socialist, but on the other hand I’m pretty happy about my Santos shares. Ahh the Dichotomy.

  36. Habib

    The advice I was given was “If you want not to be selected, wear a good suit, and borrow a regimental tie. The defence doesn’t like ex – servicemen on juries. They tend to believe the accused must be guilty, or they wouldn’t have been arrested in the first place.”

    “Buffer, march in the guilty bastard.”

  37. Mater

    Just be grateful he didn’t post that horrid gillard jiggly video.

    Those women might not have we evil men’s violent disposition, but they sure can inflict pain.

  38. calli

    I’m ageing backwards, but not creepily like Benjamin Button. Taking health seriously has paid dividends.

    Yes, there’s a few that have gone MIA, and I often think of them.

  39. nemkat

    Just drank the cream off the top of a bottle of milk with my stainless straw.
    Not bad
    Anyway, earlier on Anne Marie at Coles told me i could have a 15c bag for free, if i liked.
    How cool is that?

  40. Infidel Tiger

    This sentiment is about 20 years too late of course. But admirable. Local ladies of leisure are making “boomerang bags” for free, to hand out to all and sundry in order to cut the use of plastic bags. I do not know the answer to the conundrum of capitalism, but it one of the reasons I admire Jordan Petersen is becasue he points out that we all have a dark side. We all support slavery, are just not aware of it. Maybe I’m a socialist, but on the other hand I’m pretty happy about my Santos shares. Ahh the Dichotomy.

    Capitalism is beautiful and is simply free people exchanging goods and services willingly.

    Corporatism is the greatest evil mankind has ever faced, as we are now finding out.

  41. If you prefer civilisation to ruination put the LNP, ALP and Greens in the last three spots on your next ballot paper.

    Pointless.
    Compulsory preferential voting will ensure Labor and the LNP win the seat around 97% of the time.
    (145 seats out of 150 = 96.66%. Currently 94% with five seats vacant).

  42. Boambee John

    Des Deskperson
    #2755799, posted on July 5, 2018 at 7:12 pm
    ‘Another massive issue in the Australian Public Service is nepotism.’

    True, if your mum or dad was an agency head, a DEP SEC or an ambassador, you have pretty much got it made, provided you play your cards right.

    Perky young graduates who flatter older, senior public servants sometimes seem to get very good “references”? Also unlawful, but how often does it happen?

  43. Infidel Tiger

    Just drank the cream off the top of a bottle of milk with my stainless straw.
    Not bad

    I am not hip to youth culture but this is surely a homosexual euphemism.

  44. nemkat

    Shorter Peter: Vote LNP!

    Yep. There Is No Alternative.
    By the way, has DL offered SH-Y a groveling apology yet?

  45. Confused Old Misfit

    We all support slavery, are just not aware of it.

    How in Hell do you get that out of anything Peterson has said?

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Buffer, march in the guilty bastard.”

    I saw one case where the prisoner was marched in, to be confronted by his name, and sentence, written on the C.O’s whiteboard….

  47. nemkat

    … a homosexual euphemism.

    Projection on your part?
    Don’t let it get you down.

  48. egg_

    Just drank the cream off the top of a bottle of milk with my stainless straw.

    From across the room?

  49. egg_

    has DL offered SH-Y a groveling apology yet?

    Nah, she begged him for a root.

  50. Mater

    I am not hip to youth culture but this is surely a homosexual euphemism.

    IT, I do hope you make your living from your witty repartee. You have a gift my friend.

  51. nemkat

    Nah, she begged him for a root.

    The way it has panned out, it sounds more like he got a knockback, and a severe case of sour grapes ensued.

  52. nemkat

    I wouldn’t call putting out feelers for bumsex on the Cat a gift, Mater.
    You obviously see things differently.

  53. Eyrie

    Yeah, I guess if you don’t do what the Ministerial adviser wants you will have to get a real job.

  54. Mater

    Nemkat, I’d be concerned if we didn’t see things differently.

  55. egg_

    more like he got a knockback

    He may not be a chubby chaser.

  56. Habib

    ZK2A, sometimes it’s better to cop a summary whack than dig in. I know of a SNCO blackhander who negligently signed off work on a helo, which subsequently hadn’t been done and could’ve caused a splash. Was offered a drop of two ranks and grades and loss of some leave, demanded a court martial. Discharged without benefits, stupid prick.

  57. John Constantine

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-07-04/dingo-reintroduction-proposal-central-victoria-national-parks/9938330

    The draft strategy also calls for the reintroduction of emus into parks with major public highways running through them.

    The green pick in the roadside tabledrains is a magnet to kangaroos already, having emus as well to deliberately ram cars is another level.

    Not any time soon, but the idea is there, and yet another pressure for biosecurity/predator/wildlife security fencing to be erected around farmland, in order to keep your social licence to operate.

  58. nemkat

    Instead of asking for 2 coal power stations, why don’t the LNP rebels demand 20 be built in Qld, plus a 4 Track railway from Roma to Karumba.
    Asking for 2 sounds like they’re not fair dinkum, they just want to save their seats.

  59. Habib

    Just drank the cream off the top of a bottle of milk with my stainless straw.

    I believe the term is “felching”. Had a chap on my shift we dubbed “Felch”. He claimed to use a crazy straw.

  60. John Constantine

    Went looking for dashcam footage of emus charging and ramming vehicles, but who needs to see puffs of feathers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej0ZO79Aqxw

    This champion has spent too many trucking hours thinking like an emu, but he has them figured out magnificently.

  61. Caveman

    My local independent grocer is selling the scam bags for 9cents

    Ive been rippin these bags from Coles n Woolies for years. All you do is grab a few of the 15c bags they have , you dont scan them tru the self serve, the chances getting caught are slim and if you do you just act like a retardo . But to get maximus bagus , you grab a handfull of them and stuff them into one bag and pack your goods in…..then go home and black out the bar codes with a marker pen cause they can be registered if you accidentally run them over the scanner. Ive done this everywhere ive worked, ACT , SA, VIC and recently at my local in NSW. I got enuff to start my own plastic bag company.

  62. nemkat

    He may not be a chubby chaser.

    They all look pretty good when you’re 65, Egg.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A, sometimes it’s better to cop a summary whack than dig in.

    Oh, indeed, but in this case, the court martial downgraded the original charge, and said prisoner served his sentence in cells on base, rather then the dreaded Ingleburn.

  64. Des Deskperson

    “Because a ‘request’ from a twenty-two year old ministerial advisor must be treated as a request from the minister.

    FMD.”

    Yes, because legally, the adviser is an appendage of the Minister. An APS employee is obliged to assume that a request from an adviser is a request from the Minister. Failure to comply with any such request could be regarded as a refusal to do what the Minister wants.

    This also means that an adviser is for all practical purposes inviolable. An APS employee who is abused, insulted, harassed or has unreasonable demands imposed on them by an adviser has very little recourse. he best they can hope for is that a brave senior manager might take the matter up with the Minister’s Chief of Staff.

  65. Confused Old Misfit

    Asking for 2 sounds like they’re not fair dinkum, they just want to save their seats.

    You got that right!

  66. cohenite

    DL has lawyered up and is staying put.

  67. Cactus

    Whats the definition of a jury? 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.

    If i was picked to be honest I would contemplate wearing a T shirt with a phrase that would get me dismissed. Where theres smoke theres fire. Bring back the death penalty. Something that displayed a closed mind. Of course if I was retired or not gainfully employed I would probably dress slovenly like Im flying Tiger air and do my civic duty.

  68. nemkat

    I believe the term is “felching”. Had a chap on my shift we dubbed “Felch”. He claimed to use a crazy straw.

    Maybe you and Infidel Tiger could exchange contact details.
    It sounds like you have a lot in common.

  69. nemkat

    DL has lawyered up and is staying put.

    Good for him. Nothing like a slow motion trainwreck.

  70. DrBeauGan

    I did jury duty once. Not out of a sense of civic obligation, just curiosity to see what it was like. I found it quite interesting, and would happily do it again.

  71. Roger

    Anything I’ve got wrong?

    Yes, the complainants against Wilson were not “drunk , homeless types”.

    Their credibility was acknowledged not only by the court but, in at least one instance, by a past bishop of Newcastle. In short, this is not the Pell case.

    If God chooses to use modern day Babylonians to visit the churches (note the plural, because this is not just about the Catholics) with chastisement, so be it. We ought to have done better and deserve it. Cf. Matt 18:6.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Whats the definition of a jury? 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty.

    It was reported in the U.K. newspapers a few years ago that, of your average British jury of “twelve good men and true” two would be almost illiterate, and another two would be incapable of understanding anything more then the most basic of evidence. It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever done any similar studies in Australia.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    I did jury duty once. Not out of a sense of civic obligation, just curiosity to see what it was like. I found it quite interesting, and would happily do it again.

    People who get out of jury duty are scum and should lose the right to vote.

    We have societal obligations. If you don’t like them, you must be excluded.

  74. Leigh Lowe

    A typical Australian jury will contain three illiterates, 2 dyslexics, six “on the spectrum”, with the remaining two being innumerate.

  75. John Constantine

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/australia-once-lost-a-war-to-the-mighty-emu-fd0f07203ca4

    The Great Emu War should have been warning enough, but the push to reintroduce emus to Victorian driving and cropping zones will never go away.

    Fashionable decolonialisation theory insists on fifty percent imported diversity in the kindergartens and schools of rural Victoria, and dingo and emu reintroduced diversity in the parks of the State.

    If it exists, ban it, if it doesn’t exist, reintroduce it.

    Taxfunded.

    Comrade Ratite.

  76. DrBeauGan

    The others on the jury I sat on were very ordinary people who tried hard to do a conscientious job. I liked them.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    I’d rather be tried by 12 illiterate bogans than the foul and treacherous filth who consider themselves our betters.

  78. nemkat

    The Courts are miked up. You could bet your balls the Jury room is.
    Many dumb crawlers take the attitude that if the cops ave charged a bloke, he’s guilty.
    These people tend to be called up multiple times.

  79. JC

    Thanks for calling me a Supermodel, but alas, like Lizzie, I am too short. I was very pretty indeed as a young gel, but short. Ya get that.

    It’s meant to be joke.

    As to your central point, such as it was, it is Ministers who drive their staff and public servants in that regard. Having worked for numerous Ministers (and Prime Ministers and NSW Premiers) I can assure you that they vary a lot in neuroticism and paranoia – but only by degree.

    My central point, that she missed going way over her head, was that APS work is 95% useless. We simply don’t need that many people and the examples you offered lend more to my argument. So STFU

    I vividly recall being phoned by a junior Ministerial staffer at 4.15 pm on a Friday because he had seen something on social media. I stayed there until after 9 pm to ascertain that it was a furphy.

    Again, useless work and needed because of big government.

    I suppose that in the unlikely event that JC had been in my job, he would have told the staffer to fuck off and then had a steak with Monty.

    Yes and no.
    I would rather have died than have a government job and yes I would have told the minister to go fuck himself without any reservations.

    Next Monday, he would have been greeted with a parade from his colleagues and an invitation to work in the Minister’s Office as a Senior Adviser, salary $130,000 plus perks.

    Not.

    No thanks, but I see groveling is the way to get ahead.

    Go shave your back and iron your jeans, wanker.

    Go slurp the last drop of gin remaining in the bottle, you fat unwashed drunk.

  80. Cactus

    Staying on Tiger Air. I think thinking of electrcity markets it is instructive to think not neccessaryily of cost but value. Ie cost is what you pay, value is what you get. In this vein Ruinables are the Tiger Air of the electricity market, coal is Qantas and Hydro is a private Jet. A holiday passenger is happy to fly Tiger air, youll get some electricty, it mightnot be today, but you will eventually get there. If you have an important meeting tomorrow then you will fly Qantas for its reliability. If you have an important meeting in 4hrs time that is unexpected and sudden to save an account from cancelling business worth $10m to you, then in that moment you will book a private Jet. That is why Hydro is the most valuable, then coal and why ruinables have almost no value.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2755901, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    I’d rather be tried by 12 illiterate bogans than the foul and treacherous filth who consider themselves our betters.

    Most people have reasonable bullshit detectors.

  82. Jury duty is possibly a form of civil conscription. It is perhaps unconstitutional. This is not tested yet. There is a PhD or watershed case in this. It is all in the text see s 51 (xxiiiA).

  83. Leigh Lowe

    Stick to jerking your snatch Frank.

  84. Many dumb crawlers take the attitude that if the cops ave charged a bloke, he’s guilty.

    ‘straya, mate.

  85. Hey Leigh wanna explain how that “nasty David Leyonhjelm” has created all of the budget deficits since the 2013 election again? Total bullshit, but good for a laugh.

    Go on, double down!

  86. Leigh Lowe

    The assertion at 9:03 …

    Infidel Tiger

    #2755901, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    I’d rather be tried by 12 illiterate bogans than the foul and treacherous filth who consider themselves our betters.

    The affirmation at 9:06 …

    Frank Walker from National Tiles

    #2755906, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Jury duty is possibly a form of civil conscription. It is perhaps unconstitutional. This is not tested yet. There is a PhD or watershed case in this. It is all in the text see s 51 (xxiiiA).

  87. H B Bear

    I am not hip to youth culture but this is surely a homosexual euphemism.

    Certainly sounds like Sydney bath-house talk.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Hey Leigh wanna explain how that “nasty David Leyonhjelm” has created all of the budget deficits since the 2013 election again?

    The fuckwit is headed towards a domestic household deficit in Fy19 if he goes to court.
    Jury or no, he will get rolled.

  89. Leigh Lowe
    #2755911, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    What’s your point? Are you drunk?

  90. cohenite

    The guardian has that screen shot of the Outsiders back up with the offending comment which got the young producer fired:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jul/02/sarah-hanson-young-legal-advice-sky-news-sexist-progamme

    DL said:

    DB is known for liking men. The rumours about her in parliament are well known.

    Compare that with what DB has said she said as reported in the smh:

    Ms Hanson-Young recalls agreeing with Greens colleague Janet Rice, who at the time said the motion “puts the onus on women to go to extreme lengths to ensure our safety, where the priority must be to eradicate men’s violence”.

    Her spokesman said she then made the comment “putting tasers on the street isn’t going to protect women from men“, which Mr Leyonhjelm appears to be loosely interpreting as suggesting all men are r.pists.

    This will be a fascinating case with DB referring to DL’s use of men in a way she doesn’t want her use of the word men to mean.

  91. Leigh Lowe
    #2755913, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    Lame. Totally lame.

    Low energy.

  92. Bruce in WA

    I was foreman on the jury. Eleven of us ready to find defendant “not guilty” on grounds it was physically impossible for him to do what had been claimed.

    Number 12 — 20s Pretty Young Thing ™ — said “guilty”. When asked why, the response was “I just have a feeling about it”.

    Presented with the facts (again) on a whiteboard, her response was, “Don’t you try to browbeat me! If I think he’s guilty I’m allowed to have that opinion!”

    Took nearly two hours to persuade her that “feelings” and “opinion” had nothing to do with it.

    We found for the accused.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    This will be a fascinating case with DB referring to DL’s use of men in a way she doesn’t want her use of the word men to mean.

    Cohenite, you don’t think the cockhead has totally blown up any serious traction he could have got out of this issue?

  94. Atoms for Peace

    Compulsory voting may also be unconstitional given that each vote attracts a monetary gain for politicians and thus pollutes their voting on the absolution of the said law. Discuss…

  95. Gab

    Compulsory voting may also be unconstitional given that each vote attracts a monetary gain for politicians and thus pollutes their voting on the absolution of the said law. Discuss…

    Never to appear on any uni ofrhigh school exam.

  96. Atoms for Peace

    Bruce of WA. The response that works for the pithed is as follows. ” You the right to your opinions , but you do not have the right for others to agree with you”

  97. egg_

    SHY is obviously on the retreat, reduced to crying on twitter.

  98. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/australia-once-lost-a-war-to-the-mighty-emu-fd0f07203ca4

    The family farm was in that part of the world at that time. The Army sent one of the locals a bill for the ammunition they used. He counterclaimed with a bill for meals and accommodation for the soldiers.

  99. DrBeauGan

    Most people have reasonable bullshit detectors.

    I think that’s true. In the trial I was on, it came down to whether you believed the prostitute or her pimp. Both of them would have cheerfully lied for their own benefit. The jury concluded that in this case the prostitute had told the truth and the pimp had indeed beaten her up. After finding the bugger guilty, some of us stayed behind for sentencing, to find he had a history of similar offences.

    I thought the jury showed good judgment of character and were fair and did their job honestly.

  100. Peter Campion

    Pointless.
    Compulsory preferential voting will ensure Labor and the LNP win the seat around 97% of the time.
    (145 seats out of 150 = 96.66%. Currently 94% with five seats vacant).

    Deprive them of funding.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    egg_

    #2755923, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    SHY is obviously on the retreat, reduced to crying on twitter

    Au cointreau, mon ami.
    She is milking it, and is winning the PR battle hands down.
    The Cockhead’s initial statement was understandable in tge heat of the moment, but to double-down in front of a worldwide audience of 280 on Sky was monumentally stupid.

  102. hzhousewife

    We all support slavery, are just not aware of it.

    How in Hell do you get that out of anything Peterson has said?

    Petersen suggests that we all have a dark side. Buying cheap consumer goods from third world countries where poor people are enslaved to production is debatably unethical, on the flip side, refusal to buy cheap stuff from third world countries may be construed as depriving those people of a livelihood. The consumer conundrum has a dark side to each decision.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Deprive them of funding.

    How about holding 25% of the funding in escrow to be fortfeited for later ineligibility or misbehaviour (Craig Thompson).

  104. Pickles

    Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith on NITV. Apparently a story about a aboriginal who had to trouble fitting in to white society. So says the blurb. Hope they don’t edit out all the axe murders of women and children. It’s got a happy ending but.

  105. cohenite

    Cohenite, you don’t think the cockhead has totally blown up any serious traction he could have got out of this issue?

    The msm would rather side with a woman whose party’s policies have killed people and is destroying the Australian economy and society than side with a man who has said very little actually except to bluntly criticise a member of a protected species and who supports gun ownership. He had no traction with the elites to begin with but I think he has expanded his base.

  106. egg_

    Leigh Lowe
    #2755929, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    When I was an OEM QSE Engineer (flameproof mining), a barrister hawking for business put the wind up the Company (prior to my engagement) until my Manager saw through him; a narcissistic old fart enjoyed scaring the younger Engineers with “what about the Coroner” regarding any risk assessments, scaring staff with potential gaol terms.
    I told him to shove it, and I’m glad my Manager saw through the scaremongering.
    There are a few (ex Blairite barristers here, but probably won’t comment).
    The twittersphere?
    A sewer, as they say.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Number 12 — 20s Pretty Young Thing ™ — said “guilty”. When asked why, the response was “I just have a feeling about it”.

    Friend of mine was on a jury a few years ago, to hear a case of a single mum, who’d been defrauding the welfare system. “Pretty Young Thing” informed the jury, early in the piece that she didn’t care what the Court said, she would be finding the accused “Not Guilty”, because she was a single mum as well, and she felt sorry for the accused…..

  108. Are Centrelink employees much different to their clients?

  109. Pedro the Ignorant

    Jury duty is an eye opener.

    I was astonished at the number of people who were completely lost, confused and panic stricken in the jury waiting room because they were deprived of directions from their husbands/wives/ partners/ mummy or daddy and had to be there on their own. It was like watching a mob of sheep milling about.

    I was selected four times for a jury spot by number, but each time I went into the jury box I was challenged by the defence and returned back to the waiting room. Chatting with a court bailiff, I mentioned that I had been challenged several times and he told me that because I was wearing a suit and tie, I would probably be seen as “conservative” by the defence, and therefore likely to find the defendant guilty.

    A lot of the people there were dressed like they were about to head off to the tip, some of the young dolly birds dressed like they were about to hit the nightclub when released. One bloke even had a bottle of rum in his trouser pocket when admitted to the jury area.

    The jury room scenario does not give you a lot of confidence in the system, however I agree with Dr BeauGan that it should be seen as a civic duty and not allow some of the bullshit excuses offered to avoid serving.

  110. zyconoclast

    Allen
    #2755689, posted on July 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    If a restaurant handled food the way that the supermarkets now do, they would be closed down

    So would a meat processing plant.
    15.115 Packaging materials shall be clean, unused, free from contaminating substances and objectionable odours and of sufficient strength and durability to protect the poultry
    carcases and poultry products from contamination.

  111. Snoopy

    Percy Popinjay
    #2755828, posted on July 5, 2018 at 7:44 pm
    Am I allowed to complain about getting yet another frigging jury summons??

    A thirteen week trial, FFS.

    Fifteen dollar haircut, RSL badge, navy suit, white shirt, black tie. What’s your problem?

  112. Leigh Lowe

    Yes, the MSM would have been largely stacked against him, but he would have had some supporters if he hadn’t gone the ad hominem (feminem?) route.
    He could have used myriad arguments (most of which have been canvassed here) but he chose not to.
    Effectively running the “she roots around” (paraphrased) line was incredibly stupid.
    I am pissed off with the deadshit because he has basically given the feminists a stick to beat men with, when he should have – and could have – calmly demolished SHY.
    Yeah, increased his base from 2,000 to 2,500, but at what cost?

  113. DrBeauGan

    I feel some sympathy with DL and none for SHY, but I don’t think DL has handled this at all well. The statement that it was well known that she liked men was far too close to calling her a promiscuous bitch. She may well be a promiscuous bitch, standards around that part of the world being apparently low enough, but that’s a separate issue. DL should have stuck to the misandry issue. He’s made himself unnecessarily vulnerable.

  114. cohenite

    The promiscuous allegation is ambiguous at best. When I first read the comment DB is known for liking men. The rumours about her in parliament are well known I thought he was referring to her gender preference.

  115. This is how feminists deal with reasoned debate:

    Example 1.

    Example 2.

    DL should have stuck to the misandry issue.

    He would not have got a run outside of Medium or this blog with that schtick without the controversy.

  116. egg_

    Wasn’t it both Jordan Peterson and George Brandis who spoke of “the right to offend”?
    Offense being a personal issue.

  117. cohenite

    And you can’t self-defame. DB is the one who has being squawking about being slut-shamed. The abc interview with head tiltee is a case resume:

  118. Cohenite

    How much do you reckon SHY will have to lay down as security for costs if DL pushes it?

    Not that it is at that stage yet, of course.

  119. Snoopy

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2755906, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:06 pm
    Jury duty is possibly a form of civil conscription. It is perhaps unconstitutional. This is not tested yet. There is a PhD or watershed case in this. It is all in the text see s 51 (xxiiiA).

    I don’t know about you, dot, but I’d rather be judged by people not being paid for a result.

  120. Atoms for Peace

    Snoopy. A beige Safari suit will get you out of jury duty.

  121. Oh Snoopy, you do get paid. About $70 a day or something pissant like that!

  122. egg_

    DB is the one who has being squawking about being slut-shamed.

    Can’t find the reference, but when newly single she bragged in print about one night stands.

  123. Snoopy

    Atoms for Peace
    #2755955, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:54 pm
    Snoopy. A beige Safari suit will get you out of jury duty.

    Quite possibly Atom, but how many men can still fit into their beige safari suit?

  124. zyconoclast

    Does anyone here have any theories about the second Novichok incident in the UK ? Deliberate release ?

    The latest incident suggests someone in the Salisbury area has a quantity of the agent in the binary form and has been experimenting with safe field activation and a dermal delivery system.

    Either fake news or the British spooks are using up their stocks before the expiry date.

  125. Sorry, but I’m confused.
    What does “DB” stand for?

  126. Makka

    The latest incident suggests someone in the Salisbury area has a quantity of the agent in the binary form and has been experimenting with safe field activation and a dermal delivery system

    Lots of military close by in Wiltshire.

  127. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Quite possibly Atom, but how many men can still fit into their beige safari suit?

    Beige safari suits are proof of the fact that clothes shrink, the longer they are hung in the wardrobe.

  128. zyconoclast

    Yes I suspect the killing of live chickens on camp has gone the way of man perms. Some things are best left in the 80s.

    Can you kill a dead chicken?
    Is that for voodoo/zombie magic?

  129. Leigh Lowe

    cohenite

    #2755947, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    The promiscuous allegation is ambiguous at best. When I first read the comment DB is known for liking men. The rumours about her in parliament are well known I thought he was referring to her gender preference.

    Those cheering on DL to go to court just have a look at that and try to imagine any cross-examination which will not be a total trainwreck for him.
    QC … What are the rumours you referred to on SkyNews, Senator?
    Answer 1 … She roots around. Uh-huh. Any proof? And forget the litigation. He will look like Mrs Gossip from the CWA. Not a great look for a (cough) libertarian.
    Answer 2 … She is a lezzo. Ditto.

    QC … And who relayed the rumours to you Senator?
    Answer 1 … He refuses to name them. Looks like he made it up.
    Answer 2 … He does name the sources. They, of course, will deny it and call him a perjurer.

  130. Snoopy

    Oh Snoopy, you do get paid. About $70 a day or something pissant like that!

    I best be good, then. I’ve only been called for JD once. I didn’t even get past standing at the back of the court.

  131. Makka

    Beige? Those light blue ones were fab!

  132. cohenite

    How much do you reckon SHY will have to lay down as security for costs if DL pushes it?

    I don’t know if the court will consider this to be a suitable case for security of costs to be granted. After all whatever else she may be DB is a senator: see http://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/ucpr2005305/s42.21.html

  133. Snoopy

    Beige safari suits are proof of the fact that clothes shrink, the longer they are hung in the wardrobe.

    Polyester is notorious for shrinking.

  134. Beige? Those light blue ones were fab!

    My wedding outfit.
    A light blue safari suit.
    No shirt. Hairy chest.
    All the rage back then.

  135. Leigh Lowe

    He would not have got a run outside of Medium or this blog with that schtick without the controversy.

    It is a long time since I studied Law but, among the few defences for defamation I don’t recall “I needed the PR profile” being one of them.

  136. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Beige? Those light blue ones were fab!

    Go and bang your head on the floor, until you are forgiven, if you committed the sartorial atrocity of owning a light blue safari suit!

  137. cohenite

    Leigh Lowe

    #2755966, posted on July 5, 2018 at 10:03 pm

    cohenite

    #2755947, posted on July 5, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    The promiscuous allegation is ambiguous at best. When I first read the comment DB is known for liking men. The rumours about her in parliament are well known I thought he was referring to her gender preference.

    Q What did you mean by the rumours about her in parliament are well known?

    A That she likes men.

    Q Do you mean men plural?

    A I mean men in the same context she means men.

  138. Confused Old Misfit

    The consumer conundrum has a dark side to each decision.

    That’s YOUR conundrum, not mine.
    If you interpret your decision to buy goods made in what you consider to be conditions of slavery that is a cross you and you alone must bear. Do NOT try to belabour the rest of society with you hangups! And I concede that you qua YOU may not have these “hangups and only be putting an argument.
    Peterson (and Frank Herbert) recognize the darkside in every human. Some cannot deal with the effort of controlling the impulses that sift up from these depths. Most normal, if I may be allowed to use such an abused term, people are able to recognize and subjugate these impulses. This Peterson has said.
    To turn to the conditions under which the goods in question are produced. Only in the rarest of circumstances are the conditions truly slavery. The worker has some choice. They can accept or reject the conditions of employment. I agree that rejection of these conditions may mean deprivation and in some cases starvation and death. Nevertheless, the individual is not physically compelled to provide labour.
    The worker in these instances has the physical freedom to remove themselves to a location where more favourable terms of employment exist. There may be many reason why they feel that his is not possible. However, they are not being physically prevented from doing so.
    It is, to my mind at least, this element of physical freedom or non compulsion that removes the situation of these labourers from abject slavery to one closer perhaps to indentured servitude.

  139. Those cheering on DL to go to court just have a look at that and try to imagine any cross-examination which will not be a total trainwreck for him.
    QC … What are the rumours you referred to on SkyNews, Senator?
    Answer 1 … She roots around. Uh-huh. Any proof? And forget the litigation. He will look like Mrs Gossip from the CWA. Not a great look for a (cough) libertarian.
    Answer 2 … She is a lezzo. Ditto.

    QC … And who relayed the rumours to you Senator?
    Answer 1 … He refuses to name them. Looks like he made it up.
    Answer 2 … He does name the sources. They, of course, will deny it and call him a perjurer.

    LOL…no.

    1. Herself in print, mentioned by egg. The “comedy” thing on SBS/ABC where she suggested someone “needed a root”.

    2. The evidence of Cory Bernardi on MMM and Derryn Hinch on Twitter.

    Can I ask on what planet it is “perjury” to make a pre-litigation assertion that is confirmed by independent third parties who can be called as witnesses for the adduction of evidence?

  140. Snoopy

    Before poofs were invented some chaps wore powder blue safari suits.

  141. pete m

    I’m legally excluded from jury duty being a practising lawyer – sux as I would enjoy it.

    It is a shame they have restricted juries from many civil claims.

    In the olden days juries were a vocation. If the pool were big enough it would reduce corruption, but an interesting concept.

    1 big issue I have is where the jury hears some evidence that is later excluded by a judge direction, or a judge decides on the weight and tells jury. I think it is far too optimistic to believe a jury will put aside what they have already heard. And if they think something is important they will continue to do so no matter what the judge said.

    Media reporting is often given too much credence as possibly influence a jury.

    Good to see some comments here about this important part of our justice system.

    I hope we don’t get to USA Fed prosecution rates of 97% convictions – something aweful going on there.

  142. egg_

    QC … What are the rumours you referred to on SkyNews, Senator?

    The plaintiff’s own words are in print.
    Next.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    FFS, Frank, drop the obtuse Rumpole of the Bailey shit.
    DL is on a massive PR loser.
    Even if he had heard a rumour, any source will drop him cold.
    He is isolated, mainly due to his own overblown ego and yuuuuge mouth.

  144. egg_

    A I mean men in the same context she means men.

    Exquisite.

  145. jupes

    Here’s another inconsistency from SHY and her media defenders:

    When Lanehome is asked to repeat what SHY said, he states that she said words to the effect that ALL men are violent. Tilty McFuckwit on the ABC even replayed a recording of SHY three times in his interview with Lanehome. His point being that because she never uttered the word ‘ALL’, she wasn’t implying that ALL men are violent.

    Now SHY is suing Lanehome for implying she was a slut, yet he never used that word. She did. Somehow I don’t think we’ll hear the tilt-headed fuckwit pointing out that inconsistency any time soon.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    A joke about “needing a root” might well be made by a person who has been in a monogamous relationship since VE-Day.
    It is not an admission of rampant and indiscrimate nymphomania.
    Next.

  147. Before poofs were invented some chaps wore powder blue safari suits.

    Actually Snoopy, back in the late Seventies, early Eighties, a blue or white safari suit was considered a must have-have by young men of discerning taste. I also had three caftans.

  148. JC

    I hope we don’t get to USA Fed prosecution rates of 97% convictions – something aweful going on there.

    A very large percentage of federal cases don’t make it to court because the cases are either pleaded down or immunity is given. I really don’t know what to make of this. But it seems to me that a lot of guilty people are not being tried for their crimes.

  149. Eddystone

    What the hell is “slut shaming” anyway?

  150. jupes

    Actually Snoopy, back in the late Seventies, early Eighties, a blue or white safari suit was considered a must have-have by young men of discerning taste. I also had three caftans.

    LOL

    That is fucking gay. Did you also have the version of the safari suit with shorts and long socks?

  151. JC

    What the hell is “slut shaming” anyway?

    Theoretically it’s publicly announcing a woman is an e-bike.

  152. A joke about “needing a root” might well be made by a person who has been in a monogamous relationship since VE-Day.

    Mmmyes, Sarah Hanson Young is a 91-year-old war bride now?

    This is your reasoning why you think DL is going to go broke* and be gaoled for perjury?

    *The claim is capped at 250k, unless economic harm can be shown.

  153. Entropy

    Isnt it called an eggshell blueSafari suit?

  154. Makka

    STFU jupes you weren’t there.

  155. Leigh Lowe

    Whether or not Lyinhelm goes to court or not, what sort of xunt talks about “unsourced rumours” (wink, nudge) without further elaboration.
    He looks like just another desperate nobody who has developed red-leather dependency.

  156. zyconoclast

    Go and bang your head on the floor, until you are forgiven, if you committed the sartorial atrocity of owning a light blue safari suit!

    Owning one is ok ( I never have)

    Wearing one is the crime.

  157. Did you also have the version of the safari suit with shorts and long socks?

    Don’t be silly. Back in the day a decent safari suit was considered “formal wear”.
    Shorts with anything have never been considered “formal wear”.
    Except to Poms, of course.

  158. hzhousewife

    I understand what you say, Misfit. Indentured servitude is so much more preferable to outright slavery. I merely point out that I am aware of the consumer conundrum, I would say most people are not. You certainly are. No doubt both of us consume away, in our own manner.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Theoretically it’s publicly announcing a woman is an e-bike.

    And, coupled with the comment made in the Senate, the “rumours abound” remark cannot be construed any other way.

  160. Makka

    Back in the day a decent safari suit was considered “formal wear”.

    And well received by the local talent at the RSL Club on Friday night.

  161. egg_

    “needing a root”

    Confusing Lambie with SHY?
    SHY was bragging about her recreational activities, to the extent that (some) blokes don’t mind big sheilas, IIRC.
    She was speaking in terms of empowerment, not victimhood.

  162. Dover Beach

    Not this time. I’m sure they mean DrBeauGan, but the confusion is understandable.

  163. Leigh Lowe

    Rebel Wilson won her defamation case on considerably thinner grounds … “lying about her age” , “exaggerating her childhood experiences”.

  164. Entropy

    As my uncle and three cousins wore matching safari suits, my mother was keen for my father, my brother and I to also get matching safari suits. Dad’s was to be white, my brothers a beige, and mine egg shell blue. She even dragged my brother and I into the shop and I, at 14, told her I would rip it if she made me try one one. Hell would freeze over before I dressed like my cousins. Besides I wanted to dress like Sid Vicious.

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Did you also have the version of the safari suit with shorts and long socks?

    That was only ever worn by South Africans, and Great White Hunters on safari.

  166. JC

    Did DL do that?

    No, he didn’t. He tied his comment into the assertion that she should give up men( “rumor is that she likes men”) seeing she thought they are all r=patists. Orca is the one who’s accusing DL of Slut shaming her.

    Isn’t that supposed to be empowering for a woman anyway?

    I could swear recalling Orca participated in those Slut Walks. I looked for the pic last evening through Google search but couldn’t find it. Not 100% though.

  167. Entropy

    And you know, right now if she was here to ask me I would do it for her.

  168. Entropy

    I would put on the safari suit.

  169. Surely, DrBG works better. I’m looking at you, Struth.

  170. And, coupled with the comment made in the Senate, the “rumours abound” remark cannot be construed any other way.

    Really?

    SHY was bragging about her recreational activities, to the extent that (some) blokes don’t mind big sheilas, IIRC.
    She was speaking in terms of empowerment, not victimhood.

    The world must construe according to its wits, the court must construe according to the law.

  171. Now SHY is suing Lanehome for implying she was a slut, yet he never used that word.

    Has Sarah Sea Patrol actually instituted proceedings?
    Or just threatened to?

    Big difference.

  172. Snoopy

    Does a well dressed chap wear a shirt with a safari suit? Discuss.

  173. Makka

    Snoopy, ffs man. Back then it was considered “making an effort”.

  174. She has sent him a concern notice MV, the “actual” suit has not started yet.

  175. Leigh Lowe

    She was speaking in terms of empowerment, not victimhood

    You may be aware that it can be acceptable for an African-American to refer to himself as a “n—–r” or even other of his African-American colleagues as “n—–rs”.
    A white chap who joins in and calls them all “n—–rs” may be in for a surprise.

  176. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Has Sarah Sea Patrol actually instituted proceedings?
    Or just threatened to?

    She’s demanding an apology within seven days, or she will be instituting proceedings.

  177. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #2756007, posted on July 5, 2018 at 10:30 pm

    Rebel Wilson won her defamation case on considerably thinner grounds … “lying about her age” , “exaggerating her childhood experiences”.

    Wasn’t that mostly turned on appeal? Either the entire win was or she only received a small percent of what the first court decided.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Are you a bit of a DL fan-boi, Frank?
    You have a bit of a blind-spot regarding him.

  179. C.L

    Roger, the Wilson conviction was a travesty.
    There was and is no evidence he did anything wrong.
    None. Nor was any presented to the so-called court.
    If Joe Bloggs rocks up to my office and says he was molested, that’s not evidence of anything.
    It’s just an allegation.
    ‘Ah,’ it is objected, ‘but it is evidence that he rocked up and told you.’
    There is no evidence of that either.
    He was convicted for being a high profile Catholic archbishop.
    There are two laws in this country now. One for conservative standard-bearers (real or imagined) – most especially Catholic hierarchs – and another for ABC comedians and Labor Opposition Leaders.
    The Australian legal system and judiciary are diseased with ideological corruption.

  180. She has sent him a concern notice MV, the “actual” suit has not started yet.

    and

    She’s demanding an apology within seven days, or she will be instituting proceedings.

    So, empty threats then.

  181. JC

    You may be aware that it can be acceptable for an African-American to refer to himself as a “n—–r” or even other of his African-American colleagues as “n—–rs”.
    A white chap who joins in and calls them all “n—–rs” may be in for a surprise.

    Not in the US just for that. If it’s combined with an actual crime, it could be considered escalating to a hate crime, but I don’t think labeling someone that alone would cause legal jeopardy.

  182. Leigh Lowe
    #2756024, posted on July 5, 2018 at 10:36 pm
    Are you a bit of a DL fan-boi, Frank?
    You have a bit of a blind-spot regarding him.

    Did the nasty man call you a slut? You’re not being rational and your tantrum about him causing deficits before he was even in the Senate was hilarious.

    Go on Leigh, double down some more.

  183. cohenite

    Bolta waking up; 5 years ago if you said islam was a disease he would ban you from his site.

    Europe panicking at Muslim influx

    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun July 4, 2018

    Europe is panicking over the millions of Muslims it let in. Now comes the reaction — burqa bans and even taking Muslim children away for reprogramming. Too ugly? Or just too late?

    Until recently, Europe’s leaders seemed to think their national cultures didn’t deserve defending, or that Islam was easy for Western societies to swallow.

    Over the past decade they let in more than 5 million illegal immigrants, overwhelmingly from poor Muslim countries in Africa and the Middle East.

    “We can do this,” German chancellor Angela Merkel foolishly declared as a million poured into her own country in just two years. Except it couldn’t. Merkel was last week forced by her coalition partners to retreat following terrorist attacks by Muslim “asylum seekers” in Berlin, Ansbach, Dresden, Wurzberg and elsewhere, and sexual assaults on German women.

    Merkel has now agreed to a new border regime on the frontier with Austria, to turn back asylum seekers who’ve registered with some other European country.

    Across Europe the borders are closing. Italy last month turned away two ships carrying illegal immigrants from Libya, and Austria threatens to close its own borders.

    Hungary has already fenced off its border, and any migrant found within 8km of the border will be turned back.

    And it made it a crime to help fake refugees file requests for asylum.

    Then there’s the fight against the niqab, which covers the face of Muslim women and symbolises a refusal to integrate.

    The niqab has now been banned or restricted in France, Austria, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Bulgaria, Bavaria and parts of Italy and Switzerland.

    Holland has scrapped multiculturalism, and Austria said it would close eight radical mosques and expel 60 imams.

    But Denmark has gone even further. Danes were first shocked by terrorist attacks on journalists and cartoonists and newspapers seen to criticise Islam, and now by gangs from mainly-Muslim immigrant enclaves using even grenades.

    Its government now says “ghetto children” from 25 such enclaves must be separated from their families once they turn one for at least 25 hours a week of lessons in Danish and “Danish values,” including the Christmas tradition. Parents who refuse will have their welfare cut.

    Don’t think Europe will stop there. The millions of poor Muslims it let in will not leave, and the tensions imported with them will last for generations.

  184. JC

    There are two laws in this country now. One for conservative standard-bearers (real or imagined) – most especially Catholic hierarchs – and another for ABC comedians and Labor Opposition Leaders.
    The Australian legal system and judiciary are diseased with ideological corruption.

    It seems to be the case in the US too. It’s a version of what Big Fat Harvey is going through or others in a similar situation where crimes are reported decades later. But because several women front up and make similar accusations the person will likely be found guilty as a result of the swarm. Each case isn’t taken on merit and proven. Of course Big Fat Harvey is guilty, but I still have a problem with it.

  185. cohenite

    Men are morons and pigs:

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Wasn’t that mostly turned on appeal? Either the entire win was or she only received a small percent of what the first court decided.

    No.
    The actual decision stands.
    In fact, Bauer are not even disputing the defamation.
    They successfully got the “consequential loss” portion of the settlement thrown out.

  187. JC

    They successfully got the “consequential loss” portion of the settlement thrown out.

    How much did she walk with. The first settlement was ~3 to 4 mill, no?

  188. Leigh Lowe

    You’re not being rational and your tantrum about him causing deficits before he was even in the Senate was hilarious.

    Listen you fucking moron.
    What I said about Lyinhelm was that he played “bait and switch” with Abbott and Hockey and it looked very much like someone very, very close to him leaked aspects of speculative budget negotiations as fact.
    In other words, an arsehole.
    I never said he caused deficits.
    He is too inconsequential to be credited with that.

  189. JC

    No kidding, if I was the judge in the Wilson case I would have laid down the law with her. I would have demanded she lose 30K if she wanted a hearing or now dice. However, I would have been reason though and given her a month to lose it. I would have made a great judge- one of the great ones.

  190. egg_

    Leigh Lowe
    #2756019, posted on July 5, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    I believe that if called to, the real barristers here will inform you that court is all about evidence, technical, and said article would have SHY laughed out of court, and I’m sure both parties’ lawyers are aware of this.
    I’m sure all will subside from the current media beat up.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    How much did she walk with. The first settlement was ~3 to 4 mill, no?

    She lost most of that.
    And it got complicated because she also had costs awarded because she didn’t accept an offer couched by Bauer in a certain way.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    Egg … the court case would be largely theatre but the one with the most to lose by far, is DL.

  193. . . . said article would have SHY laughed out of court,
    and I’m sure both parties’ lawyers are aware of this.

    and

    I’m sure all will subside from the current media beat up.

    FactCcheck = True.

  194. JC

    Egg … the court case would be largely theatre but the one with the most to lose by far, is DL.

    How so? He never accused her of being a slut. He accused her of being a misandrist. That could be easily proven. Lord I wish I was a judge for this case alone. I’d be very fair too 🙂

  195. What I said about Lyinhelm was that he played “bait and switch” with Abbott and Hockey and it looked very much like someone very, very close to him leaked aspects of speculative budget negotiations as fact.

    So PM Abbott was conned into spending all of that money before DL was in the Senate, even though he wanted significant tax and spending cuts?

    WTF?

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She lost most of that.
    And it got complicated because she also had costs awarded because she didn’t accept an offer couched by Bauer in a certain way.

    That’s my understanding as well. The “Daily Mail” ran with the story – she was all over social media, bawling about how unfair it was, when she was donating the whole of her damages to charity.

  197. JC

    I believe that if called to, the real barristers here will inform you that court is all about evidence, technical, and said article would have SHY laughed out of court, and I’m sure both parties’ lawyers are aware of this.
    I’m sure all will subside from the current media beat up.

    Here’s the thing. If Orca had a reasonable case, DL wouldn’t be given any time to apologise. It would just proceed in a normal fashion and if DL apologized later, as a result of his own legal advice, it would end there with costs being negotiated between the parties. But that’s not what’s happening. Orca is bluffing with a pair of twos because there’s no case. She’s also acting like a drama queen to curry public support.

  198. egg_

    ACTRESS Rebel Wilson has delivered an angry tirade after having her history-making payout in a defamation suit against Bauer Media slashed on appeal, describing the decision as “really bizarre.”

    The magazine publisher was originally ordered to pay Wilson damages of $4.5 million, but on appeal, that figure has been slashed to $600,000 — with a reduction of $3.9 million, Wilson will receive just 13.3 per cent of the original amount.

    In a series of tweets, Wilson vowed to appeal.

  199. JC

    I hope DL starts nailing her in the senate every time she opens her fat, malicious, stupid mouth.

  200. egg_

    the court case would be largely theatre

    Only in TV melodramas.

  201. Leigh Lowe

    How so? He never accused her of being a slut. 

    In the Senate “Stop shagging men”
    Three days later on Sky “She has boyfriends. There are a lot of rumours in Parliament House”
    (Join the dots folks).
    He is getting murdered in the court of public opinion and he could easily lose on defamation if it goes that far.
    Too much time conversing with horse’s arses in a previous life.

  202. jupes

    STFU jupes you weren’t there.

    Oh yes I was.

    Too young to wear one mind, but I witnessed the abomination first hand. My dad had one. He never had a cravat though. Safari suits were still being worn in Thailand last time I was there too.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    I hope DL starts nailing her in the senate every time she opens her fat, malicious, stupid mouth.

    Yes.
    And maybe using sensible argument this time instead of schoolboy taunts.

  204. Oh come on

    I hope DL starts nailing her in the senate every time she opens her fat, malicious, stupid mouth

    Euw

  205. egg_

    Orca is bluffing with a pair of twos because there’s no case. She’s also acting like a drama queen to curry public support.

    Exactly.
    Crying on twitter is no solution.

  206. jupes

    Have any of the usual suspect been banging on about “men” since Lanehome introduced the word “misandry” to the public discourse?

  207. egg_

    If anything, SHY is trying to shame DL – cohenite’s case?

  208. Makka

    Are you a bit of a DL fan-boi, Frank?

    Frank is dotty, right?

  209. If anything, SHY is trying to shame DL

    And failing miserably.
    But at the end of the day it’s all she’s got.

  210. Bruce in WA

    I had a safari suit … with shorts.

    I also wore shorts and long socks well into the 70s.

  211. Leigh Lowe

    Exactly.
    Crying on twitter is no solution.

    It seems to be working.
    And please, none of the usual “oh, that’s just the media”.
    If the fucking idiot hadn’t double-down on Sky, he would have had a few supporters but, no, it was more important to get a slap on the back from Rowan Dean than make a decent argument.

  212. Makka

    No shit.

    Right, so Leigh, yeah he is a fanboi.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    JC … it hinges on the comments made three days later on Outsiders.

  214. Confused Old Misfit

    Bruce in WA
    #2756064, posted on July 5, 2018 at 11:18 pm
    I had a safari suit … with shorts.

    I also wore shorts and long socks well into the 70s.

    OMG Bruce! Say it isn’t so!

  215. Mark A

    Leigh Lowe
    #2756051, posted on July 5, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    How so? He never accused her of being a slut.

    In the Senate “Stop shagging men”
    Three days later on Sky “She has boyfriends. There are a lot of rumours in Parliament House”
    (Join the dots folks).

    Don’t see it as libelous, so she has boyfriends, so what?
    ————————————-
    He is getting murdered in the court of public opinion and he could easily lose on defamation if it goes that far.

    The only court that counts is the real one, so far he has gained supporters not lost them and for a politician that’s what matters.

    People like you wouldn’t vote for him anyway, so why would he care what you think?
    Only if Abbott could’ve seen that.

    BTW, I can’t stand either of them and the same goes for Abbott.

  216. Pete of Perth

    Our men haters should take a trip to china. Their heads would explode. Tonight, went to a local restaurant in Guilin. Place filled with families and men smoking. Three burly men and a lass sit at the next table, spirits poured, fags lit up and dinner served. One has manners and hucks into a box, the other couldn’t be arsed and spits on floor. Lucky the table next to them had just left as their dog would have had a treat. Not to be outdone, a couple of tables away, the head of the house was enjoying his meal sans shirt with a cig hanging out of his mouth. Ozzy women have never had it so good.

  217. egg_

    It seems to be working.

    Last tweet was 1 July, thanking folks for their support.
    Tweading vewwy carefully.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    JC.
    He referred to her “liking men” and “rumours in Canberra”.
    A bit disingenous to suggest that was just casual banter.
    The banner was written after that.
    Sky have apologised for their part (right or wrong) so they are out of the frame.

  219. How come these sluts and fatarses are so powerful?

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/rendezview/women-should-report-doctors-who-fat-shame-and-slut-shame/news-story/c3fdbd3c8c2336899cb955b3066a73cd

    From last year, but if this was reported in the 1950s…the writer would be put in an asylum.

  220. it hinges on the comments made three days later on Outsiders.

    In that case there is definitely no case for DL to answer.

    Outsiders comment.

  221. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #2756067, posted on July 5, 2018 at 11:20 pm

    JC … it hinges on the comments made three days later on Outsiders.

    Okay and what DL said in that exchange was something like

    Orca likes men, or that’s the rumor.

    He never suggested it was a tart. It was said in context of her gender preference…..who she prefers bonking with and the obvious context is to highlight its hypocrisy. She’s accusing men of foul things and also preferring to bonk them.

    Admittedly, Sky stupidly interpreted DL’s comment as something else entirely, BUT that’s NOT what he said.

  222. Oh come on

    You’re too respectable, Leigh. (That’s a good thing, not a criticism.)

    I think DL is attempting to curry favour with the constituency that has had a gutful of the caterwauling of preachy dickheads like SHY. And I think he’s doing a good job. I have heard perhaps a dozen people tut-rut-tutting over DL’s recent conduct. None of them would have voted LDP, and they never will. So who cares. A few were absolutely outraged and they NEVER would have voted LDP in any event. A few people I talked to thought it was pretty funny. Where’s the loss for the LDP?

    As for SHY – let’s not forget it was only a couple of years ago that she cut a Greens youth GOTV ad where she uber-creepily recounted her “first time” with an old Tasmanian queen. Classy she ain’t. Entitled to respect because she is who she is…nah, she ain’t.

    She can fuck right off.

  223. JC

    He referred to her “liking men” and “rumours in Canberra”.

    Yep. That doesn’t suggest he’s accusing her of being a tart.

  224. Oh come on

    tut-tut-tutting, not tut-rut-tutting…I’m not sure what the latter means

  225. Makka

    I think DL is attempting to curry favour with the constituency that has had a gutful of the caterwauling of preachy dickheads like SHY. And I think he’s doing a good job.

    Of course he is. And he called that other bint a bitch. I can hear the cheering from here. Social media is not the electorate Leigh.

  226. Snoopy

    I also wore shorts and long socks well into the 70s.

    OMG Bruce! Say it isn’t so!

    A friend tells me that in the far far FNQ the 70s persevered until the late 90s.

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Mark.
    I am aware that the Court of Public Opinion is not the Supreme Court.
    Just suggesting he is fighting on two fronts.

    The only court that counts is the real one, so far he has gained supporters not lost them and for a politician that’s what matters.

    Does that justify the cheap shot?
    Fuck, I can’t stand SHY, but this fucking idiot completely blew up a chance to calmly and cleverly take her “all men” line to pieces.
    That is why I wouldn’t vote for him.
    That and I don’t trust him on immigration.

  228. Bruce in WA

    OMG Bruce! Say it isn’t so!

    (Hangs head in shame.)

    Sorry, mate , but as a (C-IV automatic) clerk in the late 60s, I was a picture of sartorial elegance in the safari suit. Mind you, I was still a teenager, with a a 30″ waist!

    The shorts/long socks combo was in Broome, where the weather predicated such clothing as eminently sensible. And I still had a 32″ waist …

  229. Confused Old Misfit

    Snoopy
    #2756083, posted on July 5, 2018 at 11:32 pm
    I should confess that I too wore them in 1981 in Wagga and in Gladstone, Qld.

  230. Steve trickler

    Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!



  231. Bruce in WA

    Now, of course, I have a “waste”line … 🙁

  232. Oh come on

    Is this a net vote winner or loser? Consider the following sum – how many people are now considering voting for the LDP (perhaps simply because they’ve now heard of them and generally enjoy shoving it to PC arseholes), minus how many people will never vote for the LDP now that they’ve heard of them yet never would have voted for them even if they discovered the party via less controversial means?

    Betcha the LDP is in the black.

  233. Oh come on

    Fuck, I can’t stand SHY, but this fucking idiot completely blew up a chance to calmly and cleverly take her “all men” line to pieces.

    There is nothing on record to suggest she said this and she denies it.

    I suspect she did say it, but the course of action you suggest would have gone nowhere.

  234. Even more curious was the revelation that $10,000 of Mr McLeay’s payment was compensation for his being unable to resume work as a technician with Telecom Australia – a job he left 17 years ago to enter Parliament, and one to which he once said he was unlikely to return.

    The graft started under Bligh and it never ended. What a country.

  235. There is nothing on record to suggest she said this and she denies it.

    I suspect she did say it, but the course of action you suggest would have gone nowhere.

    Confirmed by Hunch (twatter). Prior unparliamentary behaviour confirmed by Cory (MMM).

  236. Oh come on

    Does that justify the cheap shot?

    Leigh, you’re sounding awfully NeverTrump-y. This is not a time for civility.

  237. this fucking idiot completely blew up a chance to calmly and cleverly take her “all men” line to pieces.

    You mean he had an opportunity to generate as much publicity as Cory Bernardi does?

  238. zyconoclast

    Memes Are Safe: European Parliament Rejects Controversial EU Copyright Law

    Members of the European Parliament in Strasbourg have rejected the copyright directive, with 318 voting against, 278 in favor and 31 abstaining.

    Article 13 of the directive, which was rejected by European MPs, states that online media would be liable if its users upload or publish unlicensed content, including photos, videos, source code or music. According to the bill, such actions would require either that a license fee be paid, that the content be pre-filtered or that it be automatically censored.

  239. Snoopy

    What killed off shorts and long socks was not shame but the simple inability to buy tailored shorts. They became as scarce as rocking horse shit and when you did find some they were ching chong rubbish which fell apart after the first wash.

  240. JC

    There is nothing on record to suggest she said this and she denies it.

    She did say it, which is why DL responded to her abusive comment.

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