Open Forum: July 7, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    We know Bubba liked his skirt so … why?
    Why Hillary?
    Was she a sex bomb back in the day?

  2. Some History

    Dude, just walk away.

    Wow! Hilary had a beard back in the day…. and Bill looked like Ozzie Osbourne.

  3. Herodotus

    Hillary was a lot more cute back then.

  4. Stimpson J. Cat

    Last winter 510 children were treated across The Children’s Hospital at Westmead and Sydney Children’s Hospital, Randwick for burn injuries.

    Sydney parents breed stupid children.
    Everyone knows this.

  5. JC

    Herodotus
    #2757732, posted on July 8, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    Hillary was a lot more cute back then.

    That reminds me, you recently said you had issues with your optical nerve. How’s that going, Herod?

  6. Herodotus

    Well, not just then, but later when she got a bit more style.

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    Many women do found businesses,

    How many women in your circle have founded businesses Lizzie?

  8. C.L.

    A fleet of ambulances has arrived at the Thai cave site …
    Looks like they’re ready to go.

  9. Some History

    Doc, you’ve got to help me. I keep seeing spots in front of my eyes.

    Doctor: Have you seen an optometrist?

    No. No optometrist. Just spots.

  10. nemkat

    JC can you name any women that have actually done well?

    Joyce Wethered- Champion golfer. Bobby Jones said she was the best player he’d seen, male or female.

    Margaret Court- First Australian woman to win Wimbledon, the French open, and the U.S. Open, only one to win the French and U.S. multiple times.

    I think that exhausts the list of great women.

  11. John Constantine

    Their shortfilths Tassie footie team will be called the:

    ‘Beaconsfield Magic’.

    Comrades

  12. JC

    Hopefully they can get the kids out safely, but that coach who led them in deserves to be left in there, or receive a really, really good hiding if he/they get out. WTF are those kids led into a cave 1 km down , which is also known to flood?

  13. Herodotus

    Try this page for how Hillary looked “in her prime”.

  14. JC

    Yep, she was a natural beauty, Herod. They also had a remarkably good looking kid too.

  15. nemkat

    Hetty Green, ”The Witch of Wall Street”, also did okay.

  16. Tel

    Try this page for how Hillary looked “in her prime”.

    You can barely see the sociopathy. It’s almost invisible!

  17. Herodotus

    Your photo find is certainly of interest JC, but not need to turn the issue into one of your beloved stoushes.

  18. C.L.

    A Google image search shows that Hillary was daffy-looking, then cute and sexy for a while, then dreadful and then very good looking again in early middle age, not bad in middle age proper.

  19. C.L.

    A Google image search shows that Hillary was daffy-looking, then cute and sexy for a while …

  20. Some History

    Try this page for how Hillary looked “in her prime”.

    This was Hillary “sub-prime”:

    https://imgur.com/bPMVGN3

  21. C.L.

    … then dreadful and then very good looking again in early middle age …

  22. C.L.

    … then not bad in middle age proper.

  23. Baldrick

    Leftard ABC tax hoovers want more of your money-

    Caro Meldrum-Hanna ✔ @caromeldrum
    FYI: Today there’s a rally at 2pm to defend the ABC from the continuous budget cuts and political interference. It doesn’t matter who the government of the day is. All you need to know is: it’s YOUR ABC, not the government’s. Today @ Sydney Central.

  24. JC

    Herod

    I didn’t make a comment on her looks in the blurb I posted with the link. You did! Also a said was, Dude walk away”.

  25. nemkat

    Hillary has clearly had a lot of cosmetic surgery.
    Changing that porcine schnozz would’ve taken a bit of skill.

  26. nemkat

    Some photos indicate a nice rack, some don’t.
    I’m inclined to think minimizer bra here.

  27. JC

    Gun control for thee, but not for me.

    West Australian police in metropolitan areas will be armed with military-style assault weapons to respond to public terrorist threat alerts, in a move that expands the number of police equipped with high-powered weaponry.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/more-wa-police-to-be-given-militarystyle-assault-weapons/news-story/d3cbf175196f149cba80016fa829ee83

  28. Megan

    JC, according to a friend of mine who has family still living in the town, the kids went in on their own and the coach went in to bring them out but the rising waters kept forcing them further in. He kept the the boys calm so they would not expend their energy, showed them how to get fresh water dropping from the cave roof and limited the use of their torches/ phones to one a day so they could have light as long as possible. He’s more likely a hero.

  29. will

    the only thing we had in common it seemed was our mutual desire to see more of each other. So perhaps other things, unspoken, also come into the equation.

    so the scenario unfolds: desperate man meets desperate woman

  30. C.L.

    Not seeing a lot of women heading into those caves in SCUBA gear.

  31. Delta A

    Megan
    #2757763, posted on July 8, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    Thanks for that, Megan. I think many people are critical of him. Hope your version turns out to be the correct one.

  32. Tel

    Here’s my suggestion for Trump’s visit to the UK:

    Start out saying how offended he is by the baby balloon. Act all hurt and get the leftists hopes up. Give them time to get gleeful. Then start talking about free speech, how he doesn’t agree with the protest, they are very unfair to him, but after taking the handkerchief out and drying the corner of his eye he can keep going and he respects their alternative point of view.

    Then wait a moment start talking about Tommy Robison, and ask what happened to his free speech?

  33. Cactus

    I have a new item on my bucket list. I was watching Rugby at North Sydney oval yesterday with a beer in the sunshine, truly one of the finest ways to spend a Sat btw. Anyway, there was a raffle and some bloke won the meat tray. And it dawned on me I have never won a meat tray. He looked happier than it is almost possible to be. I wanna be that guy.

  34. Elle

    C.L
    Not seeing a lot of silly girls heading into those caves and getting stuck.
    Why make it a gender issue?

  35. Gab

    Couple of friends did that cave trek in February this year. Both girls. Part of a larger group. The photos were spectacular.

  36. Bruce in WA

    In their bill Clinton’s novel, where he can be anything he wants to be, he saves the world, is a war vet action hero, calmly and with great compassion lectures democrat talking points, is hunted by a crazed pregnant vegetarian super-assassin and is a widower.

    OK, I just bought it as a Kindle book … I’ll see if I can swallow [sic] the BS long enough to read it.

  37. Gab

    C.L.
    #2757766, posted on July 8, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    Not seeing a lot of women heading into those caves in SCUBA gear.

    LOL I’ve been annoying NYT on twitter with those sentiments. Where’s the equaliddy?! I demand quotas that 50% of the rescuers are female!

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    the kids went in on their own and the coach went in to bring them out but the rising waters kept forcing them further in.

    Don’t have a reference, but it would seem that going into the cave, and writing your name on the wall, is a ritual of the local football team.

  39. Shy Ted

    Cactus
    #2757770, posted on July 8, 2018 at 1:30 pm
    I have a new item on my bucket list. I was watching Rugby at North Sydney oval yesterday with a beer in the sunshine, truly one of the finest ways to spend a Sat btw. Anyway, there was a raffle and some bloke won the meat tray. And it dawned on me I have never won a meat tray. He looked happier than it is almost possible to be. I wanna be that guy.

    #meattoo

  40. Tom

    Why make it a gender issue?

    Those of us of sane mind didn’t make it a gender issue — the left did with their destructive Stalinist feminazi fantasy that women can do anything men can do — their pox on being female that 80% of women with a healthy, undamaged self-image have rejected.

  41. JC

    Hi Megan

    The first reports I read suggested he led them into the cave. Obviously they could be wrong. No criticism of you, but the account you heard sounds to me like an attempt at village pr to soften criticisms of him. He’s in there with them, so did he try and stop the boys going further?

  42. Tel

    Why make it a gender issue?

    Why make violence a gender issue?

  43. Johno

    I am moving into a newer, larger house and need a bit more furniture.

    I want two leather recliners and a 2.5 seater recliner lounge. It seems I will have to pay about 5 to 6 K for this. I looked for the gold lining but couldn’t find it.
    I know OZ is treated like a cashed up bogan by the rest of the world but this is ridiculous.

  44. Gab

    Wait, what? The coach took the boys into that massive cave without any qualified tour guides?

    If so, that’s just pure idiocy.

  45. Tel

    Why make it a gender issue?

    Why make pay a gender issue?

  46. JC

    Couple of friends did that cave trek in February this year. Both girls. Part of a larger group. The photos were spectacular.

    The only time I was in a cave thingi are those man made tunnels in Vietnam. I walked a tiny way in and had enough. The only time I ever want to be underground is in about 1000 years when I’m dead, but even then I’m still unsure.

  47. Elle

    Tom,
    I’m no feminist. Hate the biatches! I do like the likes of Margaret Thatcher’s “style” of feminism. The difference? No victimhood mentality.

  48. Elle

    Tel,
    IMO violence is not a gender issue. In my line of work I see many male victims. The feminazi movement is totally destructive.

  49. struth

    FYI: Today there’s a rally at 2pm to defend the ABC from the continuous budget cuts and political interference. It doesn’t matter who the government of the day is. All you need to know is: it’s YOUR ABC, not the government’s. Today @ Sydney Central.

    So if it’s not the government’s, who’s cutting the budget?

    FMD.

  50. Gab

    oTday there’s a rally at 2pm to defend the ABC from the continuous budget cuts

    Will Turnbull be marching with his Friends of the ABC crowd?

  51. Cactus

    God I hopethose kids make it out.

  52. H B Bear

    … it’s YOUR ABC, …

    That will come as news to the staff co-op who run the place. She got the not the governments bit right – they just pay for it.

  53. John Constantine

    Probably just trolling, but….has Putin found a solution for a looming Russian problem?.

    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/north-caucasus-russias-soft-underbelly/

    Internet memes floating around about Putin offering possible relocation to the boers of South Africa to create a buffer in the Caucasus against the caliphate.

    Probably looper theory, but we all know that no great numbers of them are getting into Australia.

    Plus Putin has form in trolling about free land for those fleeing the decadent west for the safety of Mother Russia.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573199/Russia-offers-person-FREE-land-long-frozen-wastelands-country-s-Far-East.html

    https://www.rt.com/uk/342926-russia-free-land-poll/

  54. Tom

    I wasn’t having a go at you, Elle. I know you’re not one of them. It’s just that the savage, angry left’s rampage through our media megaphones has dumbed down our public discourse so dementedly that any attack on “feminism” is called an attack on women — when 80% of women don’t consider themselves feminists. Twenty-first century “feminism” is totally unrecognisable from last century’s battle for women’s rights. For a start, it ignores the majority — all women who aren’t leftist activists in Marxism’s campaign to destroy Western civilisation. Like the broader Marxist umbrella, of which “feminism” is now just a subsidiary department, nothing else matters to a 21st century “feminist” but membership of the correct tribe, a hatred of the majority and a love of raw, naked political power.

  55. stackja

    I missed ABC protests. Who appeared?

  56. wivenhoe

    I wasn’t having a go at you, Elle. I know you’re not one of them. It’s just that the savage, angry left’s rampage through our media megaphones has dumbed down our public discourse so dementedly that any attack on “feminism” is called an attack on women — when 80% of women don’t consider themselves feminists. Twenty-first century “feminism” is totally unrecognisable from last century’s battle for women’s rights. For a start, it ignores the majority — all women who aren’t leftist activists in Marxism’s campaign to destroy Western civilisation. Like the broader Marxist umbrella, of which “feminism” is now just a subsidiary department, nothing else matters to a 21st century “feminist” but membership of the correct tribe, a hatred of the majority and a love of raw, naked political power.
    I agree with you Tom, Elle would definitely not be included with the deranged “feminist group”, along with most kittehs, Hopefully, the 21stcentury mob have finally overreached and evn the “real” women are beginning to stand up and revolt.

  57. Geriatric Mayfly

    The audience which the ABC caters for will be on full display today. The other 80% of us will find better things to do. But ALL Australians just luuurve the ABC so we are told.

  58. Makka

    I know people who were doing it alcoholising non alcoholic beer in foreigner compounds in the likes of Saudi.

    I know Poms from Saudi who made a fortune out of distilling sugar into Sidiqi and selling it on. It’s a white spirit that would knock your socks off. The ARAMCO compound in Dharan was a hive of stills, regular unexplained fires etc. One enterprising crowd of Yanks working for Raytheon made a version with Jack Daniel essence that was to die for. These were top engineers and spooks no doubt. This was before Gulf War 1.

    Mind you, there were a few banged up in Saudi prisons as well.

  59. C.L.

    C.L
    Not seeing a lot of silly girls heading into those caves and getting stuck.
    Why make it a gender issue?

    Because the latest feminist dogma is that women and children don’t need men to protect them.

    Without men, women would still be dying in caves (wearing animal skins) trying to survive childbirth.

    So I say again: not one single Thai cave rescuer is a woman. Not one.

  60. Gab

    Good point, Mayfly. So how many of the 12 million taxpayers turned out for the save the ABC hissyfit, I wonder.

  61. duncanm

    it’s YOUR ABC, not the government’s.

    fairy muff.

    I’m not interested in my bit – I’ll sell it (no, give it away) to the nearest lefty who wants it.

    Then I want nothing more to do with it – including funding it.

  62. C.L.

    What I’m picking up from a lot of men over the past few weeks is that – while they’re not necessarily fans of Leyonhjelm or his FU riposte to critics – is that they are sick and tired of the kind of hysterical hatred emanating from vulture women that arose after the death of Eurydice Dixon (killed by a retarded teenager). The ugly truth is that Australia’s public feminists couldn’t care less about her death. They used it to vent their hatred for masculinity – mostly because they are deeply unhappy inside about who and what they are. Leyonhjelm’s template – unapologetic escalation even in the face of the left’s teddy bear vigil army – is admired. If it’s a war of words feminists want, they’ll get it.

  63. Elle

    I know you weren’t having a go at me, Tom. No worries … and I hear you. Well articulated.

  64. Elle

    Hi there, wivenhoe. Hope you are well.

  65. Oh come on

    Clearly if it were a female soccer team down that cave in Thailand, no man would care. The Patriarchy looks after its own.

    (I know people who genuinely think like this)

  66. calli

    “Real” women are too busy getting on with life, raising children, working and keeping house to offer any pushback to the loudmouths (who are often on the receiving end of public money one way or another so they can persue their misandrist hobby).

    I have noticed that young women are increasingly accepting of their bullsh*t and are unable or unwilling to articulate an opposing argument. The unkindness and outright cruelty hurled at them by randoms on social media is a factor. It just isn’t worth it.

  67. Atoms for Peace

    They used to use nylons over lenses to achieve the Doris Day filter. I’m struggling to work out what they used for Hildebeast

  68. DrBeauGan

    We should never have invented washing machines. It just leaves them with too much time on their hands.

  69. Tel

    I’m no feminist. Hate the biatches! I do like the likes of Margaret Thatcher’s “style” of feminism. The difference? No victimhood mentality.

    OK, so you understand why these things have become gender issues. That’s not to say we should all be banging on about such gender issues, but once one group starts doing it, others are forced to put up a rational defense. By all means let both sides agree to drop the pointless issue.

    I’m all for genuine strong women who stand up for themselves and others (as you say, without victim mentality) but it does bug me to see selective examples being dragged out for the purpose of punishing men. OK, the majority of rapists are men, but also the vast majority of the prison population are men, and the majority of the very successful entrepreneurs are men. There’s no mystery in this: men are statistically more willing to take risks, and there’s plenty of collected evidence to support this conclusion. That means, in a disaster situation, people look to men as saviors. Men are not wanting to prove they are victims, we are merely wanting acknowledgement of what we contribute. I have no problem with punishing a man who has done the wrong thing, I have a big problem with the “all men are rapists” attitude that blames those men who have done nothing wrong.

    In general, I’m against group-blaming in any situation. I do not support blaming “The Jϵws” for some conspiracy in the world, even though some Jϵwish people are troublemakers (like Soros, etc). I do not believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism, nor do I believe that all immigrants are responsible for crime. It’s fundamentally a leftist approach to treat people as identity groups, but once they start doing that, they force other people to gather wagons in a circle for mutual defense. The other option is no defense.

  70. Gab

    We should never have invented washing machines. It just leaves them with too much time on their hands.

    LOL. Made a rod for your own back there then, eh men? 😀

  71. calli

    No worries. I chucked out the iron.

    Ingrate that I am.

  72. DrBeauGan

    LOL. Made a rod for your own back there then, eh men?

    Yup. I agree with the feminazis. It’s all the fault of men.

  73. Gab

    Funniest thing I’ve seen for days. Good pisstake of the poundmetoo movement. Very well done!

  74. Gab

    I know I have an iron somewhere. I know this because I found the empty box that contained it.

  75. Tel

    “Real” women are too busy getting on with life, raising children, working and keeping house to offer any pushback to the loudmouths (who are often on the receiving end of public money one way or another so they can persue their misandrist hobby).

    Sure. I don’t in any way disagree with your observation, but then who will push back?

    I have noticed that young women are increasingly accepting of their bullsh*t and are unable or unwilling to articulate an opposing argument. The unkindness and outright cruelty hurled at them by randoms on social media is a factor. It just isn’t worth it.

    Also a completely fair observation, but if bullying gives a good result then expect more bullying. No pushback means forever someone else’s doormat.

  76. Tel

    LOL. Made a rod for your own back there then, eh men?

    We trusted you.

  77. Gab

    We trusted you.

    Adam said something similar to Eve. You men never learn 🙂

  78. Tel

    You men never learn

    We were kind of hoping that you would learn.

  79. DrBeauGan

    Think how much quieter it would be if women had to pound our shirts clean on stones by a crocodile infested river. And press them afterwards with an old fashioned iron that had to be heated in a wood fire. And then cook the dinner in pots over the same fire.

    Electricity was another dead white male mistake.

    Still, we won’t have it in Australia for much longer.

  80. wivenhoe

    Hi there, wivenhoe. Hope you are well.
    Hi, there, Elle, Thank you for asking. As far as it goes, I must be well, I am still here to stir people. Approaching a few operations, but what the hell, I will survive or I wont. Other than debating Taboo subjects with my daughter, (like politics, and religion, or in her case, her TDS, nothing much has changed), Hope you are doing well.

  81. cohenite

    In sport, transgender athletes with all the natural physiological advantages that come from being born male are starting to blitz women’s competitions, and everyone is too polite to call foul.

    The International Olympics Committee has been controversially tinkering with mandatory hormone limits to try to maintain a level playing field, but transgender women retain an edge in muscle mass, lung capacity, muscle memory and higher testosterone levels.

    You can understand why some athletes might feel it’s not really fair if you were born a woman and miss out on representing your country at an elite level. But dare complain and you’ll be labelled transphobic.

    While the eradication of discrimination against transgender people is a welcome development in a just society, you only have to see 100kg AFL player Hannah Mouncey, New Zealand’s 130kg Commonwealth Games weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, American cyclist Jillian Bearden and MMA fighter Fallon Fox to see that women’s sport as we knew it is coming to an end.

    While the eradication of discrimination against transgender people is a welcome development in a just society

    No it’s not.

  82. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2757826, posted on July 8, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    Electricity was another dead white male mistake.

    Still, we won’t have it in Australia for much longer.

    It will be so liberating.

    Think of the equalidy.

  83. W Hogg

    Another Democrat terrorist arrested

  84. Oh come on

    You men never learn

    We were kind of hoping that you would learn.

    Shhhh there is no ‘we’, remember? They’ll rumble our secret Patriarchy meetings!

    Phew. I think we got away with that.

  85. stackja

    Regarding feminism. My late mum detested the term Ms.

  86. DrBeauGan

    I think we should invite Gab and Calli to the Patriarchal Society. They’d liven up proceedings. They could be honorary blokes. Hell, I’d even let them vote.

  87. Tel

    Shhhh there is no ‘we’, remember? They’ll rumble our secret Patriarchy meetings!

    I’ll take that one on the chin, I was speaking from my own point of view and if you think differently then you too have an opportunity to voice an opinion.

  88. JC

    DrBeauGan
    #2757813, posted on July 8, 2018 at 3:20 pm

    We should never have invented washing machines. It just leaves them with too much time on their hands.

    Don’t forget forceps. I’ve mentioned it a few times. Once men medicalized birth and took it away from the sheilas, the holocaust that was giving birth immediately stopped. Don’t get me started on this stuff as I find it hard to contain myself. And yea, it was WHITE MEN!

  89. JC

    My late mum detested the term Ms.

    and she liked you?

  90. OneWorldGovernment

    I wonder what Australia will be like when the lights go out?

    won’t it be wonderful.

  91. areff

    They also had a remarkably good looking kid too.

    You mean Hillary and Webb Hubbell had a nice-looking kid (and only then if you subscribe to the standards of Royal Easter Show porcine adjudicators).

    If you reckon Chelsea’s a looker, thank her most recent plastic surgeon.

    As Bill is reputed to have assured Juanita Broadrick after raping her, she didn’t need to worry about getting pregnant because he was infertile as a consequence of coming down with mumps after puberty. That and “put some ice on it”.

  92. nemkat

    I wonder what Australia will be like when the lights go out?

    People will dress warmer, get more quality sleep, and burn a few houses down.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA’s worst killers to lose their right to freedom hearings
    KATE CAMPBELLPerthNow
    July 8, 2018 12:00AM

    THE names Catherine Birnie and William Patrick Mitchell are synonymous in WA with the worst types of crime — serial killings and mass murders.

    While Douglas John Edwin Crabbe is less well known, he will be the third serving prisoner in WA to fall under the proposed parole ban the McGowan Government plans to introduce next year for mass murderers and serial killers.

    Crabbe murdered five people when he ploughed his Mack truck through the Inland Hotel in Uluru in 1983 after being thrown out for being drunk.

    In 2013 and 2016, former attorney-general Michael Mischin overruled Prisoners Review Board (PRB) recommendations to release Crabbe, and rejected his parole.

    Now, Attorney-General John Quigley has refused a PRB recommendation for Crabbe to participate in a pre-release, resocialisation program, saying his crimes were placed in the worst category of murders. He added many of Crabbe’s victims strongly believed he should spend the rest of his life behind bars.

  94. Oh come on

    Nobody thinks Chelsea’s a looker, geez.

  95. rickw

    Just landed in beautiful Japan. The beauty of course is more than skin deep, few savages from the Middle East or Africa here.

  96. Baldrick

    So how many of the 12 million taxpayers turned out for the save the ABC hissyfit, I wonder.

    Not that many, as it turns out, but they did get their very own hashtag trending in Sydney #handsofourABC.

  97. duncanm

    Leyonhjelm’s template – unapologetic escalation even in the face of the left’s teddy bear vigil army – is admired.

    it sure is.

    This is the typical bullshit the likes of the ABC try to hang on him.. and he doesn’t take it. When they try to slander him with lies, or twist the truth – he asks for evidence or corrects them – and they can’t take it (‘lets move on’). Its refreshing to see.

    He quite rightly points out that SHY has been asked to withdraw in the Senate many times (10:25)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDGlsx19z5A

    9:25 is the funniest..

  98. Oh come on

    You might have given her the benefit of the doubt and assumed Chelsea was a nice person, but remember what she was like on the campaign trail? Very much her mother’s daughter.

  99. Gab

    Hell, I’d even let them vote.

    There’s just no learning happening with you, is there?

  100. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From C.L. at 12:40 pm:

    “…
    Nowadays, we only have vigils after a tragedy has unfolded but we don’t hold them on the verge of tragedy to petition the Almighty for His favour and protection.”

    Our priest led such a petition at Mass this morning and to my mind these children will need a miracle.

    I’ve been distracted by it for days, conscious of my own likely reaction if instructed to negotiate an underwater passage of several hundred yards, a kilometre or so walking through a dry tunnel (at the moment) and then underwater again for 50 odd yards to the relative safety of a 3 kilometre walk on a dry (at the moment) upward incline to the cave mouth, all in narrow passages in the dark.

    Flying down the face of a two or three storey high wave in the January king tides a quarter mile off Bondi or out on the point at Queenscliff is one thing – you can see all there is to see and the confidence of being able to swim forever to get back to shore replaces any fear with exhilaration. Conversely the gripping fear of claustrophobia renders you helpless, terrified and unable to hear logic, let alone apply it.

    A business colleague years ago, skinny like the 7 stone weakling in the Chesty Bond comics, used regale us with his experiences sink hole diving in South Australia – no maps, no forward vision, places so narrow they had to somehow take their air tanks off and push them ahead or drag them behind, miles underground with no lifesavers to get you out of trouble. He used think I was mad backing up for rugby each weekend, to have the living suitcase kicked out of me on the bottom of the ruck but I was certain he was dead wrong.

    When the monsoon rains commence upstream the first flush will thunder through that cave system, flinging rocks, timber and debris into every accessible space and sucking the life out of the air. Time is against them on that.

    I do think the one thing they have going for them is their childish innocence – they don’t know the detail of the dangers, cannot yet visualise (and “self defeat”) like an adult, have a child’s trust for older people such as the police, military divers and medicos and will do as they are told; and they can be more easily physically manhandled along the route.

    The response of the local authorities and from international experts is impressive – they have no shortage of brave men willing to do their all working together to get them out.

    Yes, praying for them is a good idea.

  101. Rockdoctor

    The ARAMCO compound in Dharan was a hive of stills

    LOL, Pom I know very well now retired to Thailand was in that compound at the time, he never distilled just fermented beer. Yeah he said you had to be very very careful & idiots from time to time did stuff it up, said for the most part the Saudi’s pretended not to know so long as it stayed within the walls…

  102. rickw

    I do think the one thing they have going for them is their childish innocence – they don’t know the detail of the dangers, cannot yet visualise (and “self defeat”) like an adult, have a child’s trust for older people such as the police, military divers and medicos and will do as they are told; and they can be more easily physically manhandled along the route.

    Regardless of what happens to the first kid to attempt an exit. They need to tell the rest that he made it before they make their attempts.

  103. Gary

    Yes, praying for them is a good idea.

    As an agnostic I hope they are answered.

  104. Rae

    Whatever happened to Dail Before You Dig?

    The Irish legislated against it.

  105. Frank

    Regarding feminism. My late mum detested the term Ms.

    The appropriate response to being called on it is to enquire “so that would be short for misery then?” Best to cover the testicles and assume some sort of defensive crouch afterwards though.

  106. Some History

    rickw
    #2757842, posted on July 8, 2018 at 4:08 pm
    Just landed in beautiful Japan.

    Keep us apprised of your travel.

  107. stackja

    Baldrick – Teacher Federation hall? Why not Opera House?

  108. DrBeauGan

    There’s just no learning happening with you, is there?

    You’re right, Gab. We shouldn’t let you have the vote. It was a horrible mistake.

  109. stackja

    Frank – You didn’t know my mum! She didn’t suffer fools.

  110. stackja

    Dr BG – You didn’t know my mum either.

  111. Isumbras

    John C,
    Re Putin offering the Boers a new home in the Caucasus. Could he be targeting a good showing in the 2023 Rugby World Cup with host nation status in 2027? Like all discerning gentlemen he’s no doubt bored off his tits with the soccer world cup and thinking those great looking stadiums need something genuinely exciting being played in them.

  112. Des Deskperson

    ‘So how many of the 12 million taxpayers turned out for the save the ABC hissyfit, I wonder.

    Not that many, as it turns out,’

    Wow, mostly all grey bearded and grey bobbed, early-retirement-from-the-public-sector whiteys, who’d have thunk it?

  113. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From rickw at 4:08 pm:

    “Just landed in beautiful Japan. The beauty of course is more than skin deep, few savages from the Middle East or Africa here.”

    I dunno – Japan ramped it up a bit a year or so back, by 250% from 2014 to 2016, but then dropped it back by 30% the following year.

    Asylum applications approved, for:
    2012 – 18
    2013 – 6
    2014 – 11
    2015 – 27
    2016 – 28
    2017 – 20

    Good innit?

    They are nonetheless giving the African grubs who run the UN hoooman rights department what they really want – lots of money – so they shut up and leave them alone. Japan is the second biggest financial contributor to the UNHCR.

  114. Mater

    nemkat
    #2757839, posted on July 8, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    I wonder what Australia will be like when the lights go out?

    People will dress warmer, get more quality sleep, and burn a few houses down.

    Not to mention manually collecting their water from the local point and defecating into a bucket (hopefully a different bucket).
    Earth hour would be a completely different experience if we actually turned all the power off, along with the services that rely on it.

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    I wonder what Australia will be like when the lights go out?

    Remember well the warm glow of the old Aladdin Lamp centre table. It even had a decorative shade. No sudden jolts or rumbustiousness or the mantle could disintegrate, and being in the bush they were difficult to obtain. Moths loved the old Aladdin except the hot glass, as their fallen corpses would testify. If the glass cracked, it was a major catastrophe akin to a South Australian power failure. Then came the Tilley, which required frequent pumping to sustain a much harsher radiance, but at least the room now had four visible walls. Limelight to the local bats. But still, everyone went off to their bedrooms carrying a candle on one of those glass doovers made for purpose. Men of the house sometimes shaved by candlelight and cracked every mirror in the process. Here of course we are talking about burning kerosene and wax, which the Greens would never sanction in this day and age. Breeding fire flies might be the go.
    every mirror put there for the purpose.

  116. Geriatric Mayfly

    every mirror put there for the purpose.
    Bugger I was looking for that stray, extraneous phrase to delete and it insinuated itself from somewhere.

  117. Peter Castieau

    GM that is a classic!

    Lol

  118. Boambee John

    They are nonetheless giving the African grubs who run the UN hoooman rights department what they really want – lots of money – so they shut up and leave them alone. Japan is the second biggest financial contributor to the UNHCR.

    We should do the same. It would be far better for Australia to pay the UN a billion a year, in exchange for not accepting any more refugees.

    And another half billion if they take back the ones we already have.

    The savings in bollards alone would cover the costs!

  119. Gab

    Japan is the second biggest financial contributor to the UNHCR.

    That’s surprising. But ok. So who’s on first?

  120. Dr Fred Lenin

    I was taken down a coal mine in Scotland as a kid ,the guy switched off our lights ,I have never seen anything so black ,no light at all ,a terrifying place to be trapped in ,long enough ther and mental issue would not surprise . I remember how bright it was when we got out of the lift thingy ,sighs of relief .I have no desire to ever go to a place like that again .

  121. Myrddin Seren

    The Great War

    Week 206.

    Hamel, Monash, Hemingway in Italy, Economic collapse in Bulgaria and Turkey.

  122. Delta A

    if women had to pound our shirts clean on stones by a crocodile infested river. And press them afterwards with an old fashioned iron that had to be heated in a wood fire. And then cook the dinner in pots over the same fire.

    That’s the way we’ve been doing it for years in SA. (Minus the crocs, but,)

  123. rickw

    Japan is the second biggest financial contributor to the UNHCR.

    Japan does like $ virtue signalling. At least though they have kept their own house clean. They can switch off the $ in a heartbeat. The rest of the world can’t do the same with the immigrants they have taken in.

  124. Death Giraffe

    Spent the afternoon at Disney on Ice.
    So good. Thank you so much sweetheart.
    What could I possibly do now to top such excellence?
    I’m going out to the shed to punch myself in the balls, grind metal into my eyeballs and hit my thumb with a hammer.

  125. nemkat

    How’d Peter Dutton’s grandstanding about bringing the Boers over here end up?
    Anyone heard the latest.?

  126. rickw

    I’m going out to the shed to punch myself in the balls, grind metal into my eyeballs and hit my thumb with a hammer.

    Enjoy!

  127. Gab

    Ya know, the map of Norway, Sweden and Denmark look like 3 dangling penises.

  128. Geriatric Mayfly

    And press them afterwards with an old fashioned iron that had to be heated in a wood fire.

    Scorchy, scorchy and tears before bedtime. Then there was the petrol iron, reserved for summer when it was too hot for fires indoors. A latent weapon of mass destruction, the potential for maximum ruin only slightly less than the old fashioned pressure cooker.

  129. C.L.

    The Australian continues to be a disgrace:

    Trump judge in ‘handmaid’ sect
    JOSH CLANCY
    Judge Amy Barrett is on Donald Trump’s shortlist for a Supreme Court posting, but her private life has liberals in a lather.

    Barrett is an orthodox Catholic.
    She also counts herself a part of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal movement, for decades an orthodox, approved and regularised way of living the faith in a more thoughtful, everyday fashion.

    A sect, properly so-called, was the “Rev.” Wright’s “church” – to which Barack Obama was attached for 25 years.

  130. A reader

    At the Netball this arvo. Just sat through the indignity of being welcomed to my own country and then the national anthem being sung in some language other than English. Not sure which tribe it was supposed to be

  131. areff

    Ya know, the map of Norway, Sweden and Denmark look like 3 dangling penises

    Didn’t the Rev Moon explain that priapic topography attests to a nation’s potency and destiny?

    No wonder Tasmania is so rooted.

  132. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From rickw at 5:10 pm:

    “Japan is the second biggest financial contributor to the UNHCR.

    Japan does like $ virtue signalling. At least though they have kept their own house clean. They can switch off the $ in a heartbeat. The rest of the world can’t do the same with the immigrants they have taken in.”

    Precisely. I didn’t make the point in my earlier post believing it to be self evident. They are smart people, way smarter than us, and they do attend to Japan’s self interest as they should.

    Japan signed up to the various UN protocols and earnest undertakings, chucked the pen away, stuck ’em in the bottom drawer and pretty much ignores them.

  133. Dave in Marybrook

    Areff-
    gold!

  134. C.L.

    Pfft. What is the so-called bravery of those cave divers compared to Roger Waters?

    Roger Waters goes political in London show.

    Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters has taken aim at world leaders and championed human rights as he rocked London’s Hyde Park in a politically-charged gig.

    The 74-year-old bassist treated the thousands gathered in central London to prog-rock classics while lambasting the likes of Donald Trump.

    Crowds cheered as the words “Trump is a pig” were emblazoned on stage alongside edited images of the US president, while Waters played the 1977 hit Pigs at the British Summer Time festival.

    A notorious anti-semite, Waters was dressed appropriately:

    Waters, who was wearing a keffiyeh made by Palestinian refugees in Jordan, told the audience: “We are all faced with a choice, all of us, and that choice is whether or not we believe in the contents of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Paris in 1948.

    “The declaration states that all of us, all of us here in this beautiful park, all of us in this country, but all of us, all our brothers and sisters all over the world deserve equal human and civil rights.

    “And these rights, according to that 1948 declaration, are irrespective of ethnicity or religion, so they would extend to my brothers and sisters in Palestine.”

  135. Mark from Melbourne

    Hell, I’d even let them vote.

    Ahh, yes, Hell. The road to which is paved with something or other which eludes me just now.

  136. Geriatric Mayfly

    I just remembered the litmus test for the old flat iron, was to remove it from the fire and spit on it. The up-to-date woman of the day could gauge its readiness for either the invulnerable or the delicates.

  137. Delta A

    when it was too hot for fires indoors

    GM, obviously you’re not as geriatric as I am. My mother had a wood stove until I was almost 10. It was never too hot for a fire. With five ravenous children, she had meals to cook day in, day out, even when the temp topped 40 degrees in rural Qld.

    The ice-chest struggled to cope. The Silent Night refrigerator ( when Dad finally purchased such a luxury) was a modern marvel for housewives of the day.

    I won’t start on (lack of) freezers, microwaves, or the plethora of electrical appliances – electric frypans, slow cookers etc – but we did eventually have a toaster. I saw the exact model in the Allansford museum the other day.

  138. DrBeauGan

    stackja
    #2757859, posted on July 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm
    Dr BG – You didn’t know my mum either.

    She sounds a tough chick, stack. I like tough chicks.

  139. Boambee John

    We could “sell” paying the UNHCR money and taking no refugees by pointing out that that much money could support many more refugees near their place of origin than here.

    Also, reducing our rate of population growth would have environmental benefits!

  140. rickw

    Waters, who was wearing a keffiyeh made by Palestinian refugees in Jordan…

    Carefully woven from their own excrement?

  141. Tel

    I’m going out to the shed to punch myself in the balls, grind metal into my eyeballs and hit my thumb with a hammer.

    You better be wearing a hi-viz safety vest because that sounds dangerous.

    Elf-n-safy first!!

  142. rickw

    Not sure which tribe it was supposed to be

    It’s ok, neither are they.

  143. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And press them afterwards with an old fashioned iron that had to be heated in a wood fire.

    My grandmother once dispatched a dugite snake, that was entering the kitchen, with a well thrown flat iron. Her grandchildren viewed her with a new respect after that.

  144. Rae

    Ya know, the map of Norway, Sweden and Denmark look like 3 dangling penises

    No. Someone has spiked your drink.

  145. Delta A

    Stackja, I’m with your Mum. I never – ever! – use ‘ms’.

  146. Delta A

    I never – ever! – use ‘ms’.

    Proud to be married to a wonderful man. Proud to take his name.

  147. nemkat

    The Australian continues to be a disgrace:

    Trump judge in ‘handmaid’ sect
    JOSH CLANCY
    Judge Amy Barrett is on Donald Trump’s shortlist for a Supreme Court posting, but her private life has liberals in a lather.

    Don’t fall for the Deep State’s Reverse Tar Baby gambit.
    The woman is a total nutball who will turn into Sandra Day O’Connor 5 minutes after she is confirmed.
    Besides, aren’t there enough rock cakes on the Supreme Court already?

  148. DrBeauGan

    Mark from Melbourne
    #2757885, posted on July 8, 2018 at 5:27 pm
    Hell, I’d even let them vote.

    Ahh, yes, Hell. The road to which is paved with something or other which eludes me just now.

    I was only going to let Gab and Calli have the vote, but you’re right, it’s a slippery slope. Facilis est descensus Averno.

    Before you knew it, Lizzie would want one too.

  149. Tintarella di Luna

    I never – ever! – use ‘ms’.

    Proud to be married to a wonderful man. Proud to take his name.

    Whenever someone uses Ms for me I always say I am Mrs Sunbather

  150. Tintarella di Luna

    I was only going to let Gab and Calli have the vote, but you’re right, it’s a slippery slope. Facilis est descensus Averno.

    Dr BeauGan what about me? Can I vote, can I? pleeeeaaaasssse.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I won’t start on (lack of) freezers, microwaves, or the plethora of electrical appliances – electric frypans, slow cookers etc

    My mother argues that electricity, and refrigeration, liberated more women in rural Australia, then Germaine Greer ever did.

  152. Gary

    I wonder if those woke girls on 9honeyTV and other shows no what’s coming to Australia.

    Jezebel: Founder of Thank God for Abortion wants to ‘inject joy’ into the experience

  153. Geriatric Mayfly

    but we did eventually have a toaster.

    WE had one too. A rather fancy plaited length of wire, with three prongs on the end. Don’t start me on the Silent Night refrigerator. Always worked like a charm in winter. The old Lux stove used wax between an engine of hell and wane to the ambience of the day, unless all its moods were carefully monitored. From thence could come a magnificent sponge cake, or a black duck the lead pellets molten in the pan.

  154. DrBeauGan

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2757900, posted on July 8, 2018 at 5:51 pm
    I was only going to let Gab and Calli have the vote, but you’re right, it’s a slippery slope. Facilis est descensus Averno.

    Dr BeauGan what about me? Can I vote, can I? pleeeeaaaasssse.

    No, sorry Tinta. You’ll just have to go the usual route and make sure your husband gets his opinions right.

  155. Delta A

    I was only going to let Gab and Calli have the vote

    I hope you realize the extent of trouble you have now made for yourself.

    Silly, silly, BG!

  156. Gab

    Hehehehe. My work here is done. 🙂

    I hope you realize the extent of trouble you have now made for yourself.

    Silly, silly, BG!

  157. areff

    Always worked like a charm in winter

    The summer trick was to put wet towels flat on top

  158. Mak Siccar

    A reader
    #2757880, posted on July 8, 2018 at 5:19 pm
    At the Netball this arvo. Just sat through the indignity of being welcomed to my own country and then the national anthem being sung in some language other than English. Not sure which tribe it was supposed to be

    Next time, perhaps you could stand up and turn your back on this bullsh1t, as all thinking Australians should!

  159. DrBeauGan

    Next time, perhaps you could stand up and turn your back on this bullsh1t, as all thinking Australians should!

    Or stand up and shout “Bullshit!” at the top of your voice.

  160. calli

    Are you sowing discord on this blog, Gab?

    Shame.

  161. duncanm

    Caro Meldrum-Hanna ✔ @caromeldrum

    Wow — good to see a majority a anti-ABC replies.

  162. DrBeauGan

    I hope you realize the extent of trouble you have now made for yourself.

    Silly, silly, BG!

    Oh I dunno. I’ve already pointed out the traditional way women get the vote, by getting their men folk to hold the right views.

    That might be more difficult for Gab, but I expect she can find some poor bloke to bully.

  163. Makka

    Next time, perhaps you could stand up and turn your back on this bullsh1t, as all thinking Australians should!

    Great idea!

  164. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I think we should invite Gab and Calli to the Patriarchal Society. They’d liven up proceedings. They could be honorary blokes. Hell, I’d even let them vote.

    Let’s not go overboard.

  165. C.L.

    Don’t fall for the Deep State’s Reverse Tar Baby gambit.

    Mmyes. Nice try.
    The left wants the right to believe that the left wants the right to believe that Barrett is a good choice so she won’t be nominated. Which is to say, the left desperately wants Barrett out of contention.

  166. Geriatric Mayfly

    Always worked like a charm in winter
    The summer trick was to put wet towels flat on top

    Yes aref. We had a Coolgardie safe as well. There was always a crisis when the butter began to melt, regardless of the efforts made to halt the slide. Ration tickets and all that. It was transferred to the local mountain stream, some half a km distant for remediation. Imagine the anguish today and the lamentations of the women, if to save a few pounds of butter involved a journey of 1km.

  167. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Proud to be married to a wonderful man. Proud to take his name.

    My father has been gone for over twenty years, but that’s still my mother’s argument for being “Mrs.”

  168. Farmer Gez

    The Pies have ended the Dreamtime Bombers mini revival.
    Tigers are still looking good for back to back.
    My wife insists on using Mrs in social occasions. She loves to cramp my style.

  169. Gab

    Are you sowing discord on this blog, Gab?

    It’s so darn easy to do, Calli. 🙂

  170. Delta A

    Next time, perhaps you could stand up and turn your back on this bullsh1t, as all thinking Australians should!

    That is precisely what I have done – and posted here – and shall continue to do in the future.

  171. Yes aref. We had a Coolgardie safe as well.

    We had a Coolgardie safe too – in Coolgardie.

  172. Bruce in WA

    Ration Challenge: My week eating the same rations as a Syrian refugee
    WHEN I signed up to a challenge requiring me to eat the same rations as a refugee for a week, I learnt some harsh lessons.

    Certainly beats the shit out of starving to death!

  173. Delta A

    Just watched 9 News (yes, I know). Frantic looking bimbo pushing her microphone in front of the divers, holding them up, asking the cutting questions – “How do you feeeeel?” – before blundering over to the next focused diver.

    Makes me so proud to be an Aussie.

  174. Geriatric Mayfly

    GM, obviously you’re not as geriatric as I am. My mother had a wood stove until I was almost 10. It was never too hot for a fire.

    On such days out would come the Primus. Another implement ripe for detonation. Of course, after being laid up, the jet always needed pricking. A simple tool, always nowhere to be found. Metho to initiate combustion and then pump, pump, pump until the thing ‘sounded’ right. Only one pot at a time, so there was always foreboding that starvation rations would be the order of the day. But the resourceful women of the time still conjured food a’ plenty.

  175. Shy Ted

    Ya know, the map of Norway, Sweden and Denmark look like 3 dangling penises.
    Yeah, but if you turn the page upside down…

  176. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    MEDIA
    ‘There is no more fat to cut’: Hundreds turn out for ABC protest
    Novelist Tom Keneally (left) and actress Magda Szubanski
    during a Save the ABC Rally. Picture: AAP

    The Australian
    6:31PM July 8, 2018

    Rhian Deutrom
    Reporter
    Sydney
    @Rhi_lani

    Hundreds of ABC supporters and staff have packed out an inner city Sydney auditorium to protest against the federal government’s funding cuts to the public broadcaster this afternoon.

    The rally, co-ordinated by Friends of the ABC, received more than four times the number of RSVPs that the venue had space for, forcing the organisers to establish a spill-over room to broadcast the event into.

    The rally comes after the government announced in May its plans to strip $84 million in funding from the ABC.

    The proposal will freeze the ABC’s annual funding indexation, for three years, from July next year.

    The crowd featured celebrities like Hugo Weaving and Magda Szubanski, comedian Julian Morrow and veteran journalists such as Kerry O’Brien.

    From the Oz. The ironing, it burns..

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just watched 9 News (yes, I know). Frantic looking bimbo pushing her microphone in front of the divers, holding them up, asking the cutting questions – “How do you feeeeel?” – before blundering over to the next focused diver.

    Makes me so proud to be an Aussie.

    “Besides that, Mrs Lincoln, did you enjoy your evening at the theater?”

  178. Shy Ted

    Ration Challenge: My week eating the same rations as a Syrian refugee. WHEN I signed up to a challenge requiring me to eat the same rations as a refugee for a week, I learnt some harsh lessons.
    Being the virtuous type I followed suit only I had the same diet as Syrian refugee who came to Oz by boat. McDonalds for brekkie. Hungry Jacks for lunch. Shopped at Colesworth for snacks then, having spent up, had to go to Centrelink for an emergency payment. 10 minutes I had to wait! Dominoes pizza for tea and a few chocolate bars on the bedside table for the night. Early start tomorrow, DSP application for my obesity.

  179. BorisG

    Herodotus
    #2757328, posted on July 7, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    I have a similarly uneasy feeling about Boris inviting himself to the Perth “Cats Meet”.
    Perhaps it shouldn’t be “uncovered”.

    I didn’t invite myself. In fact I cannot invite myself to an unknown location, unless actually invited. I wish you an excellent meeting of like minds, dominated by cranks who infested Cat in recent years and made Bird look like a sane and sensible bloke.

    But you are right in one thing. If you are organising a meeting, it is your choice whom to invite. However as far as the blog is concerned, you have no more right to comment here than I do.

    And last but not least, Sinc does not usually read open threads, so if you want to bring something to his attention, you need to email him.

  180. Delta A

    On such days out would come the Primus.

    My father had a carbide light for his rare fishing trips. That, and the telephone, (much later,) were our cutting edge commodities.

    And did I mention our state of the art shoe box in middle of road an’ all? 🙂

  181. Frank

    Ration Challenge: My week eating the same rations as a Syrian refugee

    In terms of challenges it’s not really up there with scaling Everest or curing cancer. In fact, it’s really a safe kind of challenge, sort of like an anarchy with a packed lunch from mum type challenge.

  182. struth

    Isn’t it amazing how intensely the left are following every little bit of political news coming out of the USA.
    They are intensely interested in even an appointment to SCOTUS.
    When Obummer was President the entire USA was considered irrelevant and not Newsworthy, unless it was a shining propaganda story of the world’s best half cast president.
    Shootings….crickets
    Illegal invaders separated from their kids……..didn’t happen.
    When god spoke they reported but we didn’t need to know what shit they were getting up to with Hillary etc.

    Not a peep.

  183. nemkat

    Just on that double murder in Sydney: The Sunday Mail reports that the son went to High School in Pennant Hills and the daughter in Gosford.
    That means the children wouldn’t have spent any time together apart from their mother.
    Sounds to me a bit like control freakery and possible Sociopathy.
    Funny how the Family Court never seems to find this behaviour by women odd.

  184. Tintarella di Luna

    No, sorry Tinta. You’ll just have to go the usual route and make sure your husband gets his opinions right.

    Ok, but are there any steep hills? I can’t do steep hills any more. And approximately how long would it take?

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ration Challenge: My week eating the same rations as a Syrian refugee. WHEN I signed up to a challenge requiring me to eat the same rations as a refugee for a week, I learnt some harsh lessons.

    My one time father in law survived the Burma railway, and the Memsahib’s mother survived the “Hunger Winter” of 1944/45, in Holland. I would have loved to have heard their opinions of this exercise.

  186. JC

    By the sounds of thing it appears like Downer acted on his 0wn – without higher authority. Why wasn’t he summarily fired the?

    At issue is the FBI’s “origin story,” in which it claims its full-fledged investigation into a presidential campaign was conducted, as it were, by the book. According to this narrative, the FBI did not launch its probe until July 31, 2016, only after Australia tipped it to a conversation junior Trump aide George Papadopoulos had with Australian diplomat Alexander Downer in the spring of 2016 in London. Only after this formal commencement of a counterintelligence probe—Crossfire Hurricane—did the FBI begin to target U.S. citizens with spying, wiretapping and other tools usually reserved for foreign infiltrators. Or so the story goes.

    This account, relayed by the New York Times in December 2017, has proved highly convenient for the FBI. The Australian “government” connection allowed the bureau to infuse the meaningless Papadopoulos conversation with significance, justifying the probe. The origin story suggested the FBI had followed procedure. Mostly, it countered the growing suspicion that the bureau had been snooping on a presidential campaign on the basis of truly disreputable info—a dossier of salacious information compiled by an opposition research firm working for the rival campaign.

    The story is full of holes, and they are widening. No one has explained why two months passed between the Papadopoulos-Downer conversation and the July 31 probe. We’ve learned that it wasn’t Australian intelligence that passed along the info, but Mr. Downer personally, to State Department personnel in violation of procedure. And a growing list of Trump officials now relate moments when they were approached by suspicious figures before July 31.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-the-fbi-come-clean-1530833315

  187. John Constantine

    I don’t want yer ter rub ’em groans Travis Head, I just gotta have yer count ’em.

  188. And approximately how long would it take?

    Hard to say, Tinta.
    These days it takes me all night to do what I once did all night.

  189. calli

    ‘There is no more fat to cut’: Hundreds turn out for ABC protest Novelist Tom Keneally (left) and actress Magda Szubanski

    There’s a joke in there somewhere. I just can’t put my finger on it.

  190. cuckoo

    I realize it’s the weekend, but ABC news is running an item implicitly criticizing Victoria Police for having a requirement that recruits be able to swim. Can you guess what’s coming? That’s right, the ABC disapproves of this requirement because most African immigrants can’t swim. The interviewee was a pleasant but rather dim 33 year old woman from Zimbabwe. Significantly overweight and looked about four feet tall. You’d think she might just qualify as a lollipop lady. Her evident terror at entering the deep end of a pool was embarrassing to watch.

  191. Gary

    I didn’t invite myself. In fact I cannot invite myself to an unknown location, unless actually invited. I wish you an excellent meeting of like minds, dominated by cranks who infested Cat in recent years and made Bird look like a sane and sensible bloke—BorisG

    You did ask for details 4-5 times so your response seems a bit odd and probably an insight to why.

    Don’t sweat it mate I would go because of the dress code and I hate wine.

  192. JC

    You know, he is a prick for refusing to believe she had a legitimate e-pass to enter the pool area. He was also a pick for calling the cops too, because a woman with a kid using the pool is not going to hurt anyone -even if she shouldn’t be there.

    But does he really deserve to lose his job?

    White man loses job after calling police on black family at pool

  193. calli

    The daughter was attending Gosford Selective High School. She must have been academically gifted. Children travel a long way to attend these type of schools, as do private school pupils.

    It is common for siblings to attend different schools. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  194. jupes

    A beautiful, cloudless sunset in Perth.

    All is right with the world.

  195. Bruce of Newcastle

    That’s right, the ABC disapproves of this requirement because most African immigrants can’t swim.

    Humans are very adaptable. Some have been known to learn how to swim. Perhaps these people could learn to swim too.

    If they can’t learn how to swim what makes the ABC think they can learn to be police officers?

  196. jupes

    Oh did I mention West Coast won?

  197. Snoopy

    I read somewhere that the mother was a solicitor. I wonder when it came to the Family Court stuff if she wasn’t too smart by half.

  198. nemkat

    It is common for siblings to attend different schools. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

    It might be common among sociopaths, but i’d be surprised if it was common amongst the other 90%.

    Why would you send children 2 years apart in age to 2 different State Schools?

  199. cohenite

    Currently Australian electricity demand is just under 29000 MW. Wind is producing 2200MW out of an installed capacity of 5200MW; and someone is shining torches on solar now allegedly producing 10MW out of an installed capacity of > 6000 MW. Hydro is gangbusters at 3200MW; from 8800 MW.

    Thanks Turdball.

  200. nemkat

    Well, she is only 35, and the son was 15, so it’s a fair bet the Dad put her through University after he brought her out from Russia, and did the right thing by her
    She’s led him up the garden path and then done the dirty on him, by the looks.

  201. OneWorldGovernment

    Roger Waters is a piece of filth.

    The whole crap shoot of Pink Floyd were 1% and they portray themselves as down low.

    What a farquing despicable pack of arzholes.

  202. Fisky

    Uh oh

    Welcome to the ABC News live blog following the latest from the Tham Luang cave complex in Thailand where 12 schoolboys and a soccer coach have been trapped for two weeks.

    Officials have cleared the site and medics and divers have arrived ahead of the rescue attempt which is now officially underway.

    This morning Thai authorities announced the area should be evacuated so a “rescue operation” could take place.

  203. Geriatric Mayfly

    Why are leftists so hell-bent on instilling into blacks the idea that America is not their country? More

    Headline at American Thinker. The Left should go in harder on this one. Liberia is always there, waiting for the disaffected.

  204. Makka

    Why wasn’t he summarily fired the?

    Because this treacherous piece of slime is a Clinton Foundation alumnus. Protected species.

  205. C.L.

    Just watched 9 News (yes, I know). Frantic looking bimbo pushing her microphone in front of the divers, holding them up, asking the cutting questions – “How do you feeeeel?” – before blundering over to the next focused diver.

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  206. C.L.

    I realize it’s the weekend, but ABC news is running an item implicitly criticizing Victoria Police for having a requirement that recruits be able to swim. Can you guess what’s coming? That’s right, the ABC disapproves of this requirement because most African immigrants can’t swim.

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  207. Twitter is getting rid of fake accounts at a record pace. Will that include the Failing New York Times and propaganda machine for Amazon, the Washington Post, who constantly quote anonymous sources that, in my opinion, don’t exist – They will both be out of business in 7 years! @realDonaldTrump

    LOL! The Legends strikes again.

  208. C.L.

    Hey, let’s send some Melbourne-African VicPol divers to Thailand. Graham Ashton too.
    And get that Statue of Liberty lady out here and tell her to climb Ayers Rock as an anti-white protest.

  209. Steve trickler

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2757956, posted on July 8, 2018 at 7:52 pm
    Roger Waters is a piece of filth.

    The whole crap shoot of Pink Floyd were 1% and they portray themselves as down low.

    What a farquing despicable pack of arzholes.

    Look at Roger! Can you see him, OWG.



    No need to tarnish them all.

  210. C.L.

    Never stop …
    Never stop kicking leftists in the balls, even – nay, especially – when they’re down:

    Donald J. [email protected]

    Public opinion has turned strongly against the Rigged Witch Hunt and the “Special” Counsel because the public understands that there was no Collusion with Russia (so ridiculous), that the two FBI lovers were a fraud against our Nation & that the only Collusion was with the Dems!

    […]

    The Rigged Witch Hunt, originally headed by FBI lover boy Peter S (for one year) & now, 13 Angry Democrats, should look into the missing DNC Server, Crooked Hillary’s illegally deleted Emails, the Pakistani Fraudster, Uranium One, Podesta & so much more. It’s a Democrat Con Job!

  211. OneWorldGovernment

    Morrison should be able to lead all the police forces in Australia.

    Or maybe it is.

  212. i have a work colleague, CA accountant, prob in her early/mid forties previously happily married to another CA, partner is the firm and very well off. they had 3 kids. she lost hubby to a russian grad accountant, came here to study, drop dead gorgeous blond in twenties. apparently she got very good grades at uni. which got her a placement in a good firm. sure it was pure coincidence she apparently formed a close relationship with one of the uni academics while studying. unfortunately the relationship didn’t survive her graduation. she had a meteoric rise in the firm and strangely had a baby with said partner soon after. bloke put all his assets in ruski’s name, stopped paying his other kid’s private school fees, and has put all his assets in her name so the ex can’t get hold of anything, and has to constantly chase him for any maintenance. this bloke is in his late forties. the blonde has apparently now made partner in new firm he left his old firm to establish with her. People are now taking bets as to how long before he gets the boot. Sounds vaguely familiar.

  213. jupes

    By the sounds of thing it appears like Downer acted on his 0wn – without higher authority. Why wasn’t he summarily fired the?

    Are you referring to Clinton associate Alexander Downer.

    Please give him the correct pre-nominals.

  214. jupes

    Never stop …
    Never stop kicking leftists in the balls, even – nay, especially – when they’re down:

    Can you imagine what life would be like without the greatest man of the 21st century?

    Fucking boring would be just the beginning …

  215. nemkat

    It’s the old Family Court Catch-22, to wit”

    No matter how much money a bloke is making, his wife is always financially better off booting him, getting a Child Support Assessment, then a Joint Property Settlement.

    Pre Nups were supposed to stop all that, but the Family Court Judges ruled that a PreNup had no force in their Courts.

  216. Frank

    Those Eastern bloc ladies know how to hustle.

  217. Vic in Prossy

    Three wides in three balls.
    Pathetic.

  218. Makka

    Russian women are utterly ruthless. The hottest of babes but deadly.

  219. OneWorldGovernment

    done deal
    #2757968, posted on July 8, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    Bullshit.

    CA this and CA that.

    Your ‘story’ sounds like a gobment department.

  220. BorisG

    It’s the old Family Court Catch-22, to wit

    Nemkat you are not trying to rationalize kids murder, are you ?

  221. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Those Eastern bloc ladies know how to hustle.

    Back in the day, one of the ouens fell madly in love with an Eastern Bloc lady. To be fair, she was a smashing piece of gear – she came to Australia view matrimony. It wasn’t until after she cleaned out the bank account, and went home to the Motherland, that it emerged she was the mistress of a minor gangster, raising venture capital for their next venture.

  222. Leigh Lowe

    ‘There is no more fat to cut’: Hundreds turn out for ABC protest Novelist Tom Keneally (left) and actress Magda Szubanski

    There’s a joke in there somewhere. I just can’t put my finger on it.

    Swindler’s List.

  223. OneWorldGovernment

    LOL

    Boris G and nemkat are twinned.

  224. duncanm

    I don’t know what the hell nemkat is getting at.

    The bastard had the option of walking away (which he seemed to do in a previous marriage before shacking up with Ms Russian-of-the-same-age-as-his-first-two-kids).

    Sure – maybe wife #2 was a Russian Bride (in the worst sense of the term) – but no matter how bad it gets, it never justifies what he did.

  225. jupes

    I don’t know what the hell nemkat is getting at.

    Why would you even bother reading what the fuckwit posts?

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Sure – maybe wife #2 was a Russian Bride (in the worst sense of the term) – but no matter how bad it gets, it never justifies what he did.

    Correct.
    Gun laws aren’t to blame.
    The Family Court isn’t to blame.
    He is.
    Totally.
    100%.
    Narcissistic control-freak arsehole.

  227. duncanm

    Exactly Leigh – if the nut didn’t have guns, he would have done it some other way. 100%

  228. nemkat

    Since he hadn’t seen the children in the 2 years since the marriage collapsed, it’s very likely that she made allegations of abuse against him.
    Since the police hadn’t laid any Charges, it’s also a fair bet that the allegations were made up.

    However, the Family Court takes the attitude that it can’t take any risks, so it refuses to order Contact between the Father and the children, or it’s Orders are dependent on the Mother’s cooperation, which is never going to happen, because her lies started the proceedings in the first place.

  229. BorisG

    Sure – maybe wife #2 was a Russian Bride (in the worst sense of the term) – but no matter how bad it gets, it never justifies what he did.

    Exactly.

  230. stackja

    Before Family Court, what did couples do? Arranged reasons with private detectives. Now lawyers arrange reasons.

  231. Rae

    Exactly Leigh – if the nut didn’t have guns, he would have done it some other way. 100%

    No. He got registered and bought the guns specifically to do what he did.

  232. cohenite

    Exactly Leigh – if the nut didn’t have guns, he would have done it some other way. 100%

    Yes he would have. But it ain’t gonna run that way in the anti-gun lobby.

  233. Many mammals are pre-disposed to mate for life.
    I happen to believe that humans are one of them.

  234. stackja

    Japan floods: ‘Extreme danger’ amid record rainfall – BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44756369
    1 hour ago – Parts of western Japan hit by deadly floods and landslides are facing unprecedented danger as more downpours are expected, officials warn.

  235. Oh come on

    Nemkat is one of the socks. Why are you entertaining it?

  236. Leigh Lowe

    Many mammals are pre-disposed to mate for life.

    Mate for life?
    I’m happy with anything over two minutes.

  237. nemkat

    No. He got registered and bought the guns specifically to do what he did.

    Exactly right.

  238. Oh come on

    Just saw a Kellogg’s Special K ad featuring a bunch of AWFL players. Apparently we are now celebrating the ugly. Or perhaps Kellogg’s is targeting the boutique butch lezzo market?

  239. Steve trickler

    Two out so far…?



  240. Makka

    I’m reasonably sure nemkat is tomix.

  241. OneWorldGovernment

    Boris G, nemkat and Rae are split definitives.

    LOL

  242. Oh come on

    Tomix might also be a sock, but nemkat is for sure.

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