Open Forum: July 14, 2018

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  1. Gab

    Here’s a fabulous pic of the iceberg near the town in Norway.

    Just glorious.

  2. Top Ender

    My research on the WWII atomic strikes reached a crucial point today.

    I have done analysis which shows 32,447,317 people would have died in a conventional invasion of Japan: Allies, POWs, defenders and civilians in Japanese-held lands

  3. Oh come on

    Imagine eternity with Richard Dawkins on one side and Stephen Hawking on the other.
    That really puts a smile on my face.

    That Rowan Atkinson skit where he plays the devil inducting a batch of newly dead into hell was great – ‘atheists, over here…I bet you’re feeling rather stupid now, aren’t you?’

  4. DrBeauGan

    Imagine eternity with Richard Dawkins on one side and Stephen Hawking on the other.
    That really puts a smile on my face

    Well, we’d all have to admit we got it wrong. But we’d have some great arguments. Much better than going to heaven and finding it full of people on clouds playing harps all the time.

  5. calli

    I’ve seen some of the young ladies that go now to the meetings and they’re pretty cute.

    Time to paint on your racing stripes then! 😀

  6. Delta A

    Complete trust is, in the modern world, insane.

    It’s not a popular idea, but chastity prior to meeting one’s eventual lifetime partner makes trust in marriage much easier and lasting.

    I feel sorry for young men and women these days who, acting on the assurance that anything with anyone and everyone is good, expect marital monogamy to magically endow lasting happiness. Many have a long and colourful sexual history that will be the subject of comparisons and arguments.

    But complete trust in marriage, and knowing that you are loved and cherished above all, is an amazing gift. My only fear, as we edge to our 50th anniversary, is that one day death will part us. I don’t mind the death bit: it’s being apart that I dread.

    PS: Arky, kudos to you for your insightful and commonsense posts above.

  7. DrBeauGan

    Elle, do you know any women who’d do my cleaning in exchange for having me bully them in my underpants? Asking for me.

  8. Makka

    Seven women and one bloke.

    Sounds like parts of Russia.

  9. one day death will part us. I don’t mind the death bit: it’s being apart that I dread.

    Amen to that.

  10. Makka

    Makkaroni, stop pretending you’re Archangel Gabriel bringing peace and love. I hate it when you’re
    trying on this bullshit, seeing you’re one of the stoushiest stoushers here. Don’t be grubby.

    Stop being such a fkg boor. You know it makes sense.

  11. calli

    Sickening how they insist on destroying children’s innocence with sexual falsehoods.

    Innocence is powerful and frightening and must be stamped out.

    Cold, hard, deliberate sinners are much more satisfying.

  12. DrBeauGan

    one day death will part us. I don’t mind the death bit: it’s being apart that I dread.

    I enjoy my own company. I’ve got lots of interesting things to think about. Having someone who was always around would drive me nuts.

    I guess we’re all different.

  13. Oh come on

    I feel sorry for young men and women these days who, acting on the assurance that anything with anyone and everyone is good, expect marital monogamy to magically endow lasting happiness. Many have a long and colourful sexual history that will be the subject of comparisons and arguments.

    Actually, that is very true. At best, having “a long and colourful sexual history” has no impact on your marriage. I don’t really see how it makes it better in the aggregate, and it could very easily make it worse.

  14. calli

    Elle, do you know any women who’d do my cleaning in exchange for having me bully them in my underpants? Asking for me.

    Heh. Underpants bullying should be equal opportunity. Where’s the fun in just one doing it?

  15. Makka

    I have done analysis which shows 32,447,317 people would have died in a conventional invasion of Japan: Allies, POWs, defenders and civilians in Japanese-held lands

    Thanks TE. Wow, Truman was right.

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    Marriage is important because for centuries it has been proven to be the only way to protect women from themselves and everyone else, and guarantee the safety and correct upbringing of children and the continuation of the species.
    Everyone knows this.
    It is just basic stuff.

  17. calli

    Having someone who was always around would drive me nuts.

    My last six weeks in a nutshell. The things we do for lurrrrve.

  18. Makka

    Having someone who was always around would drive me nuts.

    This is why God invented sheds. And pubs. To preserve world peace, such as it is.

  19. Stimpson J. Cat

    Having someone who was always around would drive me nuts.

    Some of us tragic heroic heroes heroically battling mental illness just don’t get that choice.

    😁

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks TE. Wow, Truman was right.

    I don’t have a reference, but, apparently, when the bombs were dropped, Mrs Truman was furious that even she hadn’t been told of their existence.

  21. Pedro the Ignorant

    If being married is so much fun, why do 99% of men have sheds tricked out like Aladdin’s cave with thousands of dollars worth of tools, motorbikes, flatscreen TVs, sofa beds and beer fridges?

  22. Confused Old Misfit

    Death Giraffe
    #2763925, posted on July 15, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    Concur 100%

  23. DrBeauGan

    Sickening how they insist on destroying children’s innocence with sexual falsehoods.

    Innocence is powerful and frightening and must be stamped out.

    You mustn’t confound innocence with ignorance. I think innocent children will just maintain their innocence while discovering that there are some sad sickos in the world, and some adults tell wicked lies. This is true, and hence worth knowing.

    If they are innocent, they will go home and tell their parents what the strange woman said, and their parents will explain that there are bad people in the world who will try to lead them astray.

    Children used to find out about evil from reading storybooks. Now they meet it in the schools, but that makes it more real and no more attractive.

    It’s still possible to keep your innocence while knowing there are twisted sickos around. I’ve managed it.

  24. Tel

    Hillary’s pal Huma had Iranian links. Copies also ended up on the weasel Weiner’s laptop.

    Foreign collusion? With the ayatollahs?

    That’s a fair guess, I hadn’t thought of that but if you want to go there then consider the Imran Awan connection back to Pakistan. All bets are open at this stage.

  25. Delta A

    Underpants bullying should be equal opportunity.

    I have the feeling that, with the right staff, Beaugy would relish equal opportunity underpants-wearing cleaners.
    🙂

  26. RobK

    TE,
    I have done analysis which shows 32,447,317 people ……

    I have little doubt that the thrust of your analysis is correct but 8 significant figures is a bit “climate sciencesque”. Certainly tens of millions, even 30 mil over a protracted period seems to justify the action taken. Thanks.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender, I’m presuming your book deals with the issue that the Japanese were attempting to surrender, the United States knew this but dropped the bombs anyway?

  28. nemkat

    Wow, Truman was right.

    Truman was never right.
    The Japs were over after Midway, that was no secret.
    Why keep firebombing their cities for years, and losing tens of thousands of our blokes for nothing?

  29. Elle

    Elle, do you know any women who’d do my cleaning in exchange for having me bully them in my underpants? Asking for me.

    It’s not bullying if you consent. 😉

    I’d offer my services, but I work long hours.

  30. Myrddin Seren

    Saw this on a TV at the gym today ( thanks TheirABC ).

    The pride of the French military commemorate Bastille Day in Paris.

    French warriors/soldiers back to Vercingetorix are probably spinning in their graves so hard it registers on the Richter Scale.

  31. Frank

    I enjoy my own company.

    Same here, the quality of the conversation is generally better and they always laugh at my jokes.

  32. Chris

    one day death will part us. I don’t mind the death bit: it’s being apart that I dread.

    Amen to that.

    When we were newly married I read Han Suyin:

    (after the hero married his sweetheart)
    Alas, like all love matches it ended in tragedy. After only twenty-eight years of wedded bliss, death parted them.

    It stuck with me. 30 years is a good start, but I recently decided to live longer if necessary so that I can keep my beloved’s feet warm when needed.

  33. RobK

     Beaugy would relish equal opportunity underpants-wearing cleaners.

    What? No underpants, no job?

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Japs were over after Midway, that was no secret.

    You’ve made that claim before, and both Top Ender and I are waiting for any link or reference to back that claim up. When you’re ready.

  35. Makka

    Scroll down to NEXT.

    Geez, she sure looks like something the devil dropped in on us;

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1018391038975545345

  36. Makka

    The Japs were over after Midway, that was no secret.

    Hundreds of thousands of Asians as well as Allies died after Midway at the hands of Imperial Japan. This is another idiotic claim by you.

  37. Top Ender

    Yes Zulu.

    I have a chapter on the revolt that happened after Hirohito decided to surrender.

    They never “tried to surrender.” Their strategy was that if they handed the Allies enough fatalities, then the Allies would lose heart and allow them a negotiated peace, which would allow them to keep the emperor; try their own war criminals, and keep their overall structure in place.

  38. Myrddin Seren

    Tel

    All bets are open at this stage.

    ‘Xactly.

    Note the descriptor:

    a foreign entity unrelated to Russia

    Doesn’t specify a sovereign state – just a non-US, non-official Russian entity.

    Could be the Mexican cartels, the IRGC, the Army of the 12 Monkeys.

    Given the lack of security in Killary’s broom cupboard server – there are probably that many copies of her emails floating around it is a wonder foreign representatives and the shonks surrounding the Clinton Foundation can keep a straight face when she stumbles in to a gathering.

  39. Top Ender

    One interesting aspect is the execution order given to the POW camps, to kill all prisoners as soon as a Home Island invasion started.

    That would have seen the deaths of 300,000 of our people.

  40. DrBeauGan

    Elle
    #2764000, posted on July 15, 2018 at 5:49 pm
    Elle, do you know any women who’d do my cleaning in exchange for having me bully them in my underpants? Asking for me.

    It’s not bullying if you consent. 😉

    I’d offer my services, but I work long hours.

    Well I’m willing to prance around in my underpants and even crack a whip and order you around to do the washing up. I’d feel pretty silly, but I suppose I’d get used to it.

    It might get a bit tiring if we did it every day. Monday, Wednesday and Friday perhaps.

  41. Confused Old Misfit

    just a non-US, non-official Russian entity.

    Alexander Downer 😉

  42. Farmer Gez

    The level of feminist bullshit knows no end.
    BBC doing a reflective on the NHS introduction. The female announcer confidently stated that women flocked to the doctor after NHS, as before that they had put their husband’s and children’s health needs ahead of their own. The kids I believe, but it is utter crap to say that men were put ahead of women in health services. She just made this up, as Hendo would say.

  43. Myrddin Seren

    Alexander Downer

    Works for the Crimtons. Probably not so much.

  44. Interesting Reason article found via Woods’ twatter:

    Starbucks is now giving out adult sippy cups in lieu of the dastardly plastic straws.

    Some poor pathetic cuck telling us how great being pegged is:

    https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/starbucks-sippy-cup-lids-straw-ban

  45. Geriatric Mayfly

    WHAT’S ON THE AGENDA?
    A move to axe pre-strike ballots is expected to be among the draft policies debated at congress. Stronger protections for unfair dismissal claims are also set to be discussed.

    Here we go again at the triennial ACTU piss-up. Go-away money back on the agenda. Another disincentive to employ young people; as who can guess as to what might lurk under the surface.

  46. nemkat

    The Jap Fleet went to the bottom at Midway, so they weren’t going to win after that.
    The opposite of winning is losing, so that’s where they were in June 1942.
    A decisive battle…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway
    Here’s my question: After such a decisive victory, why did the War have to continue another 38 months?

  47. Rae

    I’d offer my services, but I work long hours.

    Sydney to Perth is a long commute.

  48. Here’s my question: After such a decisive victory, why did the War have to continue another 38 months?

    Because the IJA did not want to surrender even after the first bomb, you twit.

  49. Myrddin Seren

    This is an interesting Youtube channel – ADVChina

    A couple of Gwailos working in China motorbike around and make video blogs.

    Saw this one recently –

    Are NEW Chinese buildings really FALLING DOWN?

    and this one today

    Are There Any Good CHINESE CARS?

    You can probably guess the answer, but the video of a crashtest on a Chinese sedan is – illuminating.

  50. Oh come on

    Holy crap. The perennially unfunny comedienne Hannah Gadsby has a Netflix show. And it starts out with her announcing she’s quitting comedy. Sweetheart, you never joined it.

    Hannah Gadsby builds her break-out Netflix stand-up special Nanette around an ingenious transgression. After wryly unwinding the basics of her autobiography—she’s a lesbian from Tasmania, where she faced intense bigotry—she enacts a second coming out, of sorts: She’s quitting comedy.

    Gosh doesn’t that make you want to tune into the next episode. This is what viewers can look forward to:

    Gadsby is fine not laughing. After announcing her resignation, she starts calling back to material from earlier in the performance—commenting on it directly, echoing a phrase, extending a metaphor—to reveal new, painful layers of meaning. Near the beginning, we hear a funny story about an encounter with an ignorant homophobe; much later, we learn that it ended with Gadsby getting brutally beaten.

    Watching this would make you feel as though you had been brutally beaten. Anyway, these excerpts are part of a ridiculously long review in Slate (surprise surprise), which of course praises this wanky shitshow to the hilt.

    Actually, kudos to Gadsby. Everyone in Australia knew she was terminally humourless, so she went to the US and is making the best money in her life using her unfunniness to guilt SJWs into generously bankrolling her self-therapy. She ain’t funny but she’s a lezzo and has discovered how to leverage these two things into a high-paying Netflix gig. Props.

  51. calli

    If adult onesies are a thing, why not adult sippy cups?

    These kidults will soon demand highchairs and playpens.

  52. Elle

    Well I’m willing to prance around in my underpants and even crack a whip and order you around to do the washing up. I’d feel pretty silly, but I suppose I’d get used to it.

    It might get a bit tiring if we did it every day. Monday, Wednesday and Friday perhaps.

    You’d feel silly and it might get a bit tiring? Hmmm. Maybe I need to be cracking the whip.

  53. Adult onesies are indicative of high energy prices.

  54. John Constantine

    ‘What If’, the Doomsday Option?.

    The Japanese land empire in asia was vast, and basically available to be stripped.

    What if Stalin threw a couple of million captured axis soldiers at Manchuria, with orders to fight as a suicide punishment force, or have their home cities genocided?. The deployment of the imperial japanese biowarfare program against Stalins troop concentrations occurs and terrified commissars flee by plane and train back to European Russia, carrying the Black Death with them like rats.

    Plague settling into the exhausted and malnourished and war ravaged central Europe, exposed to the elements could be suggested to be as lethal as the Spanish Flu at the end of world war one?.

  55. nemkat

    They never “tried to surrender.” Their strategy was that if they handed the Allies enough fatalities, then the Allies would lose heart and allow them a negotiated peace, which would allow them to keep the emperor; try their own war criminals, and keep their overall structure in place.
    That sounds suss.
    They kept the Emperor anyway, apart from the Trials on Manus, 99% of the War Criminals were out by the early 50s, and the same people kept running things.
    So, what was the point of continuing after Midway for America?

  56. Top Ender

    why did the War have to continue another 38 months?

    After Midway, the Japanese still held massive amounts of territory. They were also quite capable of defending it. For example, they kept on raiding northern Australia for another two years. They had around six million men under arms.

    There was no way they were going to surrender all that they had won. Therefore it had to be taken from them.

    Hence the island-hopping twin-front strategy. This was coupled with a submarine campaign to starve them out. But with armed forces that routinely were Ok with taking a 95% casualty rate, they were proving an extremely tough nut to crack.

    One thing that encouraged them to continue was that the Allies were massively engaged in Europe. They saw no reason as to why they should not hold on to their newly-conquered empire. The loss of their carriers meant they were denied a very useful instrument, especially when used aggressively. But they had thousands of aircraft, and millions of soldiers. Why not fight on?

  57. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Jap Fleet went to the bottom at Midway, so they weren’t going to win after that.

    Japanese losses were four aircraft carriers, a cruiser, nearly three hundred aircraft and 2500 men. Hardly the whole of the Jap Fleet.

  58. Top Ender

    Yes, the Allies policy of “unconditional surrender” immediately wasn’t.

    They made things pretty easy on Japan to get them to give in. Even so they weren’t going to without the A-bombs.

  59. RobK

    Adult onesies are indicative of high energy prices.
    Especially if they come with detachable “door-snake” tails.

  60. DrBeauGan

    Elle
    #2764025, posted on July 15, 2018 at 6:16 pm
    Well I’m willing to prance around in my underpants and even crack a whip and order you around to do the washing up. I’d feel pretty silly, but I suppose I’d get used to it.

    It might get a bit tiring if we did it every day. Monday, Wednesday and Friday perhaps.

    You’d feel silly and it might get a bit tiring? Hmmm. Maybe I need to be cracking the whip.

    If you tried I should laugh at you.

  61. nemkat

    Frank W:
    The Japs were trying to get Soviet help to surrender before the Bomb dropped.
    Even Top Ender acknowledges that.
    What the Japs didn’t know was that Stalin had agreed at Yalta to attack the Japs 3 months after Germany surrendered.This was gone through months ago, Frank.
    Get up to date, or go away.

  62. RobK

    If you tried I should laugh at you.
    Have you seen Elle with a whip?

  63. The Japs were trying to get Soviet help to surrender before the Bomb dropped.

    Here’s how to surrender…

    Lay down your arms and allow the opposition to come in with martial law.

    Not by killing tens of thousands for a couple of small islands.

  64. RobK

    Have you seen Elle with a whip?

    …….and you in your undies.

  65. Elle

    If you tried I should laugh at you.

    Laugh at me? Bad boy!

    I’m off out for dinner to a local French restaurant. Have a good evening, Dr.

  66. Oh come on

    The Japs were trying to get Soviet help to surrender before the Bomb dropped.

    So? How would it have been in Soviet interests for the war between the USA and Japan to end?

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Japs were trying to get Soviet help to surrender before the Bomb dropped.

    The Japanese were putting out unofficial feelers to the Soviets to surrender on terms – the retention of the Emperor, retention of parts of their empire, Japanese war criminals to be tried in Japanese Courts, the Japanese military to disarm themselves. The United States, with memories of the Treaty of Versailles twenty years before, weren’t having anything other then unconditional surrender. “Downfall:The end of the Imperial Japanese Empire” by Richard B Frank has the whole story, but it’s a couple of years since I read it.

  68. Top Ender

    The Japs were trying to get Soviet help to surrender before the Bomb dropped.

    Can’t find the source, but I think it was their diplomat Kase who was saying they thought by entering negotiations with the Soviets it would stop them entering the war.

    I came across a description of a Soviet-Japanese battle in August 1945. The Japs cleaned them up big-time.

  69. Delta A

    Maybe I need to be cracking the whip.

    Just to sensible things up a bit: we stayed at a lakeside caravan park where corellas had taken over not only the town, but the entire region. Deafening screeching every dawn and dusk, with raucous flyovers intermittently during the day.

    Then Betty, the tiny, scrawny park owner, started cracking the whip. Literally. Striding out at the first sign of a cocky squawk, she cracked a full sized stock whip again and again, and the corellas disappeared. All the other birds – galahs, lorikeets and wrens etc – barely raised an eyebrow.

    Peace at last.

  70. DrBeauGan

    RobK
    #2764040, posted on July 15, 2018 at 6:33 pm
    Have you seen Elle with a whip?

    …….and you in your undies.

    No, I have missed that so far. But when women get violent with me, I still laugh at them.

    I have been known to smack their botties in extreme cases.

    If she were eight feet tall and built like a gorilla it might be a different story, but then I wouldn’t be in my undies.

  71. nemkat

    Obviously the Unconditional Surrender Policy was a response to Japanese enquiry about surrendering.
    Otherwise, why announce Unconditional Surrender.
    As it turned out, the Japs kept The Emperor, and the people in power pre War were the same people in power post War.
    There wasn’t any percentage in America keeping on pumping men into the meat grinder in Asia, so why keep doing it?

  72. Delta A

    If she were eight feet tall and built like a gorilla it might be a different story, but then I wouldn’t be in my undies.

    And your undies wouldn’t be fit to be in.

  73. nemkat

    I came across a description of a Soviet-Japanese battle in August 1945. The Japs cleaned them up big-time.
    The Kwantung Army in Manchuria was annihilated by the Red Army.

  74. nemkat

    So? How would it have been in Soviet interests for the war between the USA and Japan to end?

    So, the Japs wanted to surrender before the Bomb was dropped.
    The rest of your comment is waffle.

  75. DrBeauGan

    Delta A
    #2764052, posted on July 15, 2018 at 6:45 pm
    If she were eight feet tall and built like a gorilla it might be a different story, but then I wouldn’t be in my undies.

    And your undies wouldn’t be fit to be in.

    😁

    I’ve never been in that situation, ∆, it would be a new experience. One should always embrace new experiences, but I have doubts about that one.

  76. As it turned out, the Japs kept The Emperor, and the people in power pre War were the same people in power post War.

    Oh great so General Tojo wore a ceremonial uniform at the Tokyo Olympics did he, yet sporting a Stylopin necktie?

  77. So, the Japs wanted to surrender before the Bomb was dropped.

    No one wanted to surrender after Hiroshima and the army came close to sedition after Nagasaki in that they wanted to fight on.

    Please, limit the pro-Soviet, pro-death stupidity to a minimum.

  78. Delta A

    You old smoothie, Beaugy. You know I love it when you call me ∆.

  79. vr

    Tony Abbott in the WSJ

    Eighteen months into Donald Trump’s term, the world is having trouble coming to grips with the most unconventional American president ever. Still, he is neither a bad dream from which the U.S. will soon wake up, nor a fool to be ridiculed.

    For someone his critics say is a compulsive liar, Mr. Trump has been remarkably true to his word. Especially compared with his predecessor, he doesn’t moralize. It’s classic Trump to be openly exasperated by the Group of 7’s hand-wringing hypocrisy. Unlike almost every other democratic leader, Mr. Trump doesn’t try to placate critics. He knows it’s more important to get things done than to be loved.

    The holder of the world’s most significant office should always be taken seriously. Erratic and ill-disciplined though Mr. Trump often seems, there’s little doubt that he is proving a consequential president. On the evidence so far, when he says something, he means it—and when he says something consistently, it will happen.

    He said he’d cut taxes and regulation. He did, and the American economy is at its strongest in at least a decade. He said he’d pull out of the Paris climate-change agreement and he did, to the usual obloquy but no discernible environmental damage. He said he’d scrap the Iranian deal, and he did. If Tehran gets nuclear weapons, at least it won’t be with American connivance. He said he’d move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, and he did, without catastrophe. He said he’d boost defense spending. That’s happening too, and adversaries no longer think that they can cross American red lines with impunity.

    In Mr. Trump’s first year, he acted on 64% of the policy ideas proposed in the Heritage Foundation’s “Mandate for Leadership” agenda—not bad compared with Ronald Reagan’s 49%.

    It’s a pity that he kept his promise to pull out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. But his concerns about that deal shouldn’t be dismissed. In the short term, freer trade can be better for rich people in poor countries than for poor people in rich ones.

    RTWT at the WSJ

  80. Top Ender

    There wasn’t any percentage in America keeping on pumping men into the meat grinder in Asia, so why keep doing it?

    My previous comment about the Japanese having gained an empire applies.

    Should we therefore have ceased hostilities after Midway and let them keep what is now Indonesia; the Philippines, the bits of China they had taken, the Pacific islands, Singapore, and so on?

  81. Geriatric Mayfly

    What a night. The new moon and Venus in courtship, soon to take their romance below the horizon. In the east Mars rises tumescent, a glowing orb red with rage because he can’t get at ’em.

  82. Makka

    Unlike almost every other democratic leader, Mr. Trump doesn’t try to placate critics. He knows it’s more important to get things done than to be loved.

    Are you listening to yourself, Abbott?

  83. Steve trickler

    Yeah, it’d be pretty fucked to be in this situation. How’d you react?



    A movie from 28 years ago.

  84. Gab

    Poetically put, Mayfly. I’ve been watching Venus and Mars chase each other for a few nights. Wonderful sight.

  85. Herodotus

    Troy Bramston in The Australian:
    “Margaret Thatcher is remembered as a tough, uncompromising, defiant, no-nonsense, strong-willed prime minister. She had strength, conviction and courage. She was the Iron Lady. That is why it is difficult to imagine her broken, distraught and in tears when her party forced her to resign.”

    So difficult to imagine, but he’s loving it.

  86. Oh come on

    So, the Japs wanted to surrender before the Bomb was dropped.

    Well, if you look at it that way, the Japs wanted to ‘surrender’ on their terms long before Pearl Harbor – this was part of their empire-building strategy. Push the limits of the empire out as far as the great powers would tolerate, sue for peace and fortify.

    Your point is worthless. The question is not whether the Japanese wanted to surrender in 1945. They very probably did, but they weren’t willing to surrender on terms the US would accept until the bombs were dropped.

  87. pete m

    Church padre gacve a sermon abut first love, and mentioned when he was growing up what music he liked, and hwo rolling stones were his favourite band.

    A fellow came up to him after the service and said it was nice and y the way he was Keith Richard.

    Padre had no idea at the time he was present.

    Got a selfie.

    I tried checking online but latest news was the stones were rehearsing for their euro tour.

    I can;t imagine someone would try and prank padre like that, so likely true.

    Happened this morning on the goldie.

    apparently all the stones are catholic.

  88. nemkat

    Should we therefore have ceased hostilities after Midway and let them keep what is now Indonesia; the Philippines, the bits of China they had taken, the Pacific islands, Singapore, and so on?

    That’s a Strawman.
    Surrendering means suing for peace, not making demands from a position of strength.
    As it turned out, once the Order to Surrender reached the Japs on Bougainville and the other Islands, they promptly surrendered.
    No probs.
    It could have, and should have happened in 1942, though

    Remember, the Japs only had enough Oil to last 12 months, so they had a short window in which to win.
    Midway put an end to winning, so negotiations should have started then.

  89. Top Ender

    Midway put an end to winning, so negotiations should have started then.

    What should the Allies have offered?

  90. Surrendering means suing for peace

    No.

    There will be no lying on this blog.

  91. Rae

    There will be no lying on this blog.

    ROFL

  92. mh

    Queensland will once again shiver through a cold and frosty morning as a cold snap continues to grip the state’s southern half.
    Overnight temperatures are expected to remain well below July averages for the second night in a row after a chilly start to Saturday.
    Forecasters are predicting areas such as the Granite Belt and Darling Downs will once again be up to five or six degrees Celsius below zero.
    Wellcamp Airport, just west of Toowoomba, posted the lowest temperature of the day on Saturday with minus 6.4C at 6.42am.
    Nearby Oakey recorded a low of minus 6.3C just before 7am.
    The cold weather pushed well up into Queensland with the outback town of Blackall dropping to 1.2C while Lochington, near Emerald, was just 0.5C at 7.11am.
    Even Rockhampton, up on the state’s central coast, dropped to a low of 6.5C just before 7am.

    This is just par for the course of being HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD!

  93. Bruce of Newcastle

    What a night. The new moon and Venus in courtship, soon to take their romance below the horizon. In the east Mars rises tumescent, a glowing orb red with rage because he can’t get at ’em.

    It’s summer on Mars, perihelion in 2 months. I’m envious.

    Although with the current dust storm temperature is down. It was warmer on Mars some weeks ago (+5C) than it was here at Chez Bruce this morning (-2C).

    Mars Weather on Twitter

  94. Infidel Tiger

    Why are you arguing with Tomix, Dot?

    Why did you come back to this godforsaken blog? You were out. You could have had a normal life.

  95. nemkat

    The question is not whether the Japanese wanted to surrender in 1945.

    No. My point is that the Japs would’ve been loking to surrender after their fleet went tits up at Midway.
    They very probably did, but they weren’t willing to surrender on terms the US would accept until the bombs were dropped.

    As it turned out, the Emperor wasn’t bothered and the same people kept running the Country.

    So, the Unconditional Surrender Policy was pointless, and cost millions of lives.

  96. Makka

    My point is that the Japs would’ve been loking to surrender after their fleet went tits up at Midway.

    Your argument has been refuted countless times here. Unless you have something to post supporting your ridiculous claim you really should stfu tomix.

  97. nemkat

    Even Rockhampton, up on the state’s central coast, dropped to a low of 6.5C just before 7am.

    Rockhampton is in a hole, either side of a massive river. At this time of year, the sun isn’t up on the Northside until 9 am.
    So yeah, it gets cold.

  98. Helen

    If you tried I should laugh at you

    If you tried I should laugh at you while dresssed in naught but my frilly apron while on my kness scrubbing the floor excitedly whispers Dr Beaugy. Crack it again, harder, harder Dr Beaugy would cry.

    Not til you have the floor sparkling says Elle, and then I might let you do the dishes. And lick my feet, if you are really good.

    Panting with want, Dr Beaugy scrubs on, hoping, yearning, aching to earn another CRACK!

  99. Makka

    Lay off the p0rn novels please Helen.

  100. nemkat

    What should the Allies have offered?

    Well, how about what they did, in fact, present them with in 1945:
    The Emperor’s role to continue, the same people to keep running Japan, a few War Crimes Trials to placate the bloodthirsty, and business as usual.

  101. Boambee John

    Tel at 1741

    That’s a fair guess, I hadn’t thought of that but if you want to go there then consider the Imran Awan connection back to Pakistan. All bets are open at this stage.

    The Iranians possibly got Shrillary’s emails through Huma, the Pakis got everything on tbe Demorats congressional network via Imran Awan.

    The only secrets the Demorats kept were the brand of Bill’s cigars. Trump saved the US from a developing national security disaster, but still needs to drain the deep state swamp.

  102. Mark A

    Writes; Peta Credlin

    Despite Twitter tirades, Trump’s getting job done

    WHATEVER else he might be, the US President is direct and does what he says. But if I were his chief of staff, I’d confiscate his mobile phone and stop giving his enemies fodder,

    Sure and turn him into another T Abbott in no time at all.

  103. calli

    What a night. The new moon and Venus in courtship, soon to take their romance below the horizon. In the east Mars rises tumescent, a glowing orb red with rage because he can’t get at ’em.

    Yes. There has been a little unseemly flirtation on this thread.

    Shocking.

  104. stackja

    Gaza truce largely holding after flare-up
    Nidal al-Mughrabi, Reuters
    an hour ago

    A ceasefire between Israel and Gaza militant groups appears to be holding, ending the most intensive flare-up in violence around the Palestinian enclave since a 2014 war.

    In a day of fierce fighting on Saturday, Israel carried out dozens of air strikes in Gaza, killing two people, and Gaza militants fired more than 100 rockets across the border, wounding three people in a southern Israeli town.

    The ceasefire, the second between the two sides to be brokered by Egypt this year after a previous day-long flare-up in May, came into force late on Saturday.

    The Israeli military said that in the initial hours of the ceasefire militants fired two rockets towards Israel, of which one was intercepted by its Iron Dome system. There were no reports of an Israeli counter-attack in Gaza.

    Some hours afterwards, militants fired another two mortar bombs towards Israel, which responded by striking the mortar tube used in the attack, the military said.

    Weekly clashes at the Israel-Gaza border have kept tensions at a high for months. More than 130 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces during protests at the frontier held every week since March, including a teenager on Friday, Gaza medics said.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday’s attacks targeted Gaza’s dominant Hamas Islamists, whom Israel accuses of stoking violence with the “Great March of Return” demonstrations, which have included attempts to breach Israel’s border fence.

    Netanyahu has faced public pressure to take action against the launching of incendiary kites and balloons from Gaza that have burned crops and scrubland in southern Israel.

    Israel’s Intelligence Minister Israel Katz said the air strikes were meant to put an end to such attacks but should not be seen as the start of a military campaign against the Palestinian territory of 2 million, devastated by seven weeks of war with Israel four years ago.

  105. OldOzzie

    Top Ender
    #2764010, posted on July 15, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    One interesting aspect is the execution order given to the POW camps, to kill all prisoners as soon as a Home Island invasion started.

    That would have seen the deaths of 300,000 of our people.

    Would suggest that anyone who doubted that read

    The Knights of Bushido : a short history of Japanese war crimes / by Lord Russell of Liverpool.

    This is the classic, standard account of Japanese war crimes; a best seller in its time, but out of print for many years. Between 1931 and 1945 Japanese troops rampaged through one defeated country after another, executing civilians, despoiling cities, massacring prisoners and cruelly exploiting prisoners of war and native populations. This carefully constructed history charts this brutal swathe of destruction, objectively examines individual crimes and details the reasons behind Japan’s unprecedented disregard for accepted humanitarian principles. Japanese troops behaved with considerable brutality in their war against China a campaign designed ‘to punish the people of China’. The Nanking massacre of December 1937 was just one example of the appalling series of atrocities the Japanese inflicted on the conquered Chinese. Japan also excelled in the mistreatment of prisoners of war. Allied troops unfortunate enough to fall into Japanese hands were abused, humiliated, starved and forced to serve as slave labor. This sweeping indictment of atrocities committed by the forces of the Rising Sun is a detailed and carefully documented study and one which throws light onto one of the most disturbing episodes of World War II.

    He also wrote

    The Scourge of the Swastika
    by Lord Edward Frederick Langley Russell

  106. cohenite

    Pauline wants Latham to take the baton from her. It might work Latham is a genuine alpha male not like the betas she’s spat out up to now.

  107. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why are you arguing with Tomix, Dot?

    Tentpegs at ten paces.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

  108. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Seems the victims of that triple murder in Ellenbrook were a mother, and two of her children.

  109. Top Ender

    As it turned out, the Emperor wasn’t bothered and the same people kept running the Country.

    No they didn’t.

    A military caste took the country to war. A good percentage of the senior ones died.

    The Japanese attitude towards the rest of the world before WWII was one of aggressive domination. They took what they wanted; killed millions, and enslaved millions.

    Their defeat changed all of that. The military caste was severely rejected.

    One of the senior Navy men, who entered the force, such as it was, in the 1950s, once told me that the result of the war was a good thing. He said that before the war, the military caste did what they liked and there was much brutality. Post-war all of that changed and the people en masse had a lot more control.

  110. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s summer on Mars, perihelion in 2 months. I’m envious.

    Thanks Bruce. I have lost my app. informing of celestial movements and remain somewhat agog at how big and bright Mars has been on recent nights. Could be the atmospherics. I thought we had had our closest encounter a few years bac, and was waiting for you to announce another, which had escaped the astronomers’ notice.

  111. stackja

    Japan bomb discussion again? The past, 1945, was a different time. Seen through 21st century eyes it is distorted. There is no convincing some either way.

  112. Top Ender

    nemkat
    #2764085, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    What should the Allies have offered?
    Well, how about what they did, in fact, present them with in 1945:
    The Emperor’s role to continue, the same people to keep running Japan, a few War Crimes Trials to placate the bloodthirsty, and business as usual.

    I don’t think you’ve answered my question.

    Would you have let them keep their empire in south-east Asia and China?

  113. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tentpegs at ten paces.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

    I’ve changed my mind.
    I don’t want see Tomix pegging anyone.
    DELET THIS.

  114. OldOzzie

    NATO’s problem is that Europeans won’t fight

    It is refreshing to hear an American president call the Europeans out for the sybarites and deadbeats they are

    President Trump outraged European opinion by denouncing his allies on the far side of the Atlantic for their failure to meet NATO’s spending target of 2% of GDP.

    Other alliance members, he added, should spend 4% of their output on defense, just like America does. His dudgeon at the Europeans was more than justified: the Europeans really are deadbeats who don’t pay their fair share of the cost of defending their own countries and leave the burden in the hands of American soldiers and taxpayers.

    Trump’s remonstrations will fall on deaf ears. Why should Europeans spend money on arms, when they have no intention of using them?

    A recent opinion poll found that small minorities in the core European members of NATO were willing to fight for their country under any circumstances.

  115. BorisG

    The Jap Fleet went to the bottom at Midway, so they weren’t going to win after that.

    This is the same as saying that Hitler lost the war when he failed to take Moscow in 1941 and it was clear to everyone at least after the US entered the war. The writing was certainly on the wall, but it would still take tens of millions of lives before the final defeat.

    Japan may have been finished militarily after midway but you would still needs to actually bring about their surrender.

  116. stackja

    Karen Ristevski’s stepson Anthony Rickard arrested day before accused Borce Ristevski’s committal hearing
    Kaitlyn Offer, AAP
    July 15, 2018 5:39pm

    THE stepson of slain Melbourne mum Karen Ristevski dodged police for months because he did not want to give evidence at his father’s committal hearing tomorrow, a court has been told.

    Anthony Rickard, 34, was arrested at a Diggers Rest property about 12.20am on Sunday on outstanding warrants including failing to answer bail charge.

  117. Top Ender

    A couple of useful quotations:

    Hisatune Sakomizu, secretary to the Japanese cabinet in 1945: “If the A-bomb had not been dropped we would have had great difficulty in finding a good reason to end the war.”

    Marquis Koichi Kido, adviser to the emperor in 1945: “The presence of the atomic bomb made it easier for us politicians to negotiate peace. Even then the military would not listen to reason.”

  118. Geriatric Mayfly

    All these recordings of plummeting temperatures in Q’ld is cause for alarm. Anyone know how The Little Reef That Could is bearing up? Fran Bailey was all for sunshades. Looks like swimming pool blankets are now in order for the Littl’ One.

  119. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Japan bomb discussion again? The past, 1945, was a different time. Seen through 21st century eyes it is distorted. There is no convincing some either way.

    Fair comment. The United States was planning on the war lasting until certainly 1946, and probably mid 1947.

  120. stackja

    Top Ender
    #2764102, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    Stop confusing the narrative with facts.

  121. nemkat

    I don’t think you’ve answered my question.

    Would you have let them keep their empire in south-east Asia and China?

    You didn’t ask that question.
    What was the point of them keeping the conquered parts of China and SE Asia anyway?
    They were beaten inside a year.
    Chiang Kai Shek was our Ally.
    You think he wouldn’t have been happy seeing the end of the Japs in China in 1942?

  122. DrBeauGan

    Helen
    #2764083, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:30 pm
    If you tried I should laugh at you

    If you tried I should laugh at you while dresssed in naught but my frilly apron while on my kness scrubbing the floor excitedly whispers Dr Beaugy. Crack it again, harder, harder Dr Beaugy would cry.

    Not til you have the floor sparkling says Elle, and then I might let you do the dishes. And lick my feet, if you are really good.

    Panting with want, Dr Beaugy scrubs on, hoping, yearning, aching to earn another CRACK!

    You couldn’t be more wrong, Helen. But enjoy your fantasy.

  123. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2764104, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    Yes.

  124. Snoopy

    Another beaut evening for nemkant.

  125. Stimpson J. Cat
    #2764098, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:44 pm
    Tentpegs at ten paces.
    It’s the only way to be sure.

    I’ve changed my mind.
    I don’t want see Tomix pegging anyone.
    DELET THIS.

    Stimpy please,

    I found out the hard way it is not socially acceptable to talk about at Myra Breckenridge at dinner parties.

    One can only do so at Eastern Suburbs dinner parties.

  126. nemkat

    A couple of useful quotations:

    Sounds self serving to me.
    Sure, they might have held those positions in 1945, but they didn’t make those comments in 1945, did they?

  127. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2764110, posted on July 15, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    Another beaut evening for nemkant.

    Who cares?

  128. DrBeauGan

    Perihelion doesn’t have any more to do with summer on Mars than it does on Earth. It’s summer in one hemisphere and winter in the other.

  129. Bruce of Newcastle

    GM – I don’t know when Mars is next at its closest to Earth. Mars is closest to the Sun on 16 Sept. We were farthest from the Sun on 6 July. I expect the Earth and Mars are closest when we are in SH winter (our aphelion) and Mars is in summer (perihelion), so it must be close to closest now.

    Right now I’m also out of synch with Cats by a century re Russians: reading about the ones in Kabul during the years of the Great Game.

  130. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr Beau – Mars has a considerably more elliptical orbit than Earth does. But I can’t tell you how much that affects surface temperature between aphelion and perihelion.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Right now I’m also out of synch with Cats by a century re Russians: reading about the ones in Kabul during the years of the Great Game.

    That’s on my “To re – read” pile. Read it years ago.

  132. nemkat

    Just on oldozzie rabbitting on about the Japs:

    Here’s an account of the Surrender on Bougainville:

    Lieutenant Colonel Charles Court, on Savige’s staff, arranged a parade of senior Japanese officers for Potts. He warned them, “This is one man on our side we haven’t been able to convince the war is over”. Potts, in full regalia, inspected the seventeen generals and fifteen admirals, all standing rigidly at attention despite tattered uniforms. Court had told him that the Japanese would be expecting fireworks. But at the end of his inspection, having returned to the front and faced his defeated enemy, Potts exclaimed “Good show!” and went along the line shaking hands. Later he said “Many dreadful things had been done during the course of the war – by both sides. There should not be recriminations after the event. Once it was over it was over”.[85]
    From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Potts

  133. DrBeauGan

    BoN, the Martian tilt is also slightly greater than ours. 25°. It’s this that gives us our seasons.

  134. Boambee John

    RobK
    #2763997, posted on July 15, 2018 at 5:45 pm
    TE,
    I have done analysis which shows 32,447,317 people ……
    I have little doubt that the thrust of your analysis is correct but 8 significant figures is a bit “climate sciencesque”. Certainly tens of millions, even 30 mil over a protracted period seems to justify the action taken. Thanks.

    Top Ender

    Rob’s suggestion is a good one. Might I suggest words like:

    “Casualties following an invasion, not just in the Japanese Home Islands, but also in Japanese occupied territory, where fighting would have continued, would have been horrendous. Deaths would have numbered in the tens of millions, possibly as many as 30 million.”

  135. Confused Old Misfit

    But if I were his chief of staff, I’d confiscate his mobile phone and stop giving his enemies fodder,

    You’d not be long in your job then.

  136. Elle

    Helen, lots of ❤ for your comment.
    And lick my feet, if you are really good.
    Not my feet. My leather boots. 👢

  137. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Casualties following an invasion, not just in the Japanese Home Islands, but also in Japanese occupied territory, where fighting would have continued, would have been horrendous. Deaths would have numbered in the tens of millions, possibly as many as 30 million.”

    One Japanese estimate was that, if the war had gone on into 1946, anywhere between five and ten million Japanese would have either starved to death, or died from disease.

  138. stackja

    1945 Australian nurses were dying in Japanese camps.

  139. Boambee John

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2764005, posted on July 15, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    The Japs were over after Midway, that was no secret.

    You’ve made that claim before, and both Top Ender and I are wait</em>ing for any link or reference to back that claim up. When you’re ready.

    The secret seems to have been well kept, but I suspect that any willingness to negotiate would have been along the lines “OK, you have had your revenge for Pearl Harbour at Midway, let’s have an armistice. We cease fighting against the US, and you allow us to continue our operations elsewhere. We will discuss the Philippines at a later date, when we sign a peace treaty”.

    Had such an agreement been made (unlikely, US opinion favoured Bull Halsey’s desire to make Japanese a language spoken only in Hell) then, to borrow some words from Hirohito’s eventual surrender announcement, the war would have proceeded in ways not necessarily to Australia’s advantage.

  140. John Constantine

    http://www.mandatory.com/fun/1452191-russia-robot-brothels

    The fevered and frothing rage that erupts from wymynsys at the mere hint of robot brothels seeking men as customers is puzzling, given the ‘ You go, Girl’ popularity of buzzing robot penis pets for fems.

    Lumidolls Moscow brothel reports 24/7 demand, and claims to be expanding to every major city in the world.

    Blade Runner or Skynet, what happens first?.

  141. Bruce of Newcastle

    BoN, the Martian tilt is also slightly greater than ours. 25°. It’s this that gives us our seasons.

    Dr B – Only because the orbit of the Earth is more circular.
    And 25° is quite close to our tilt.
    Mars could conceivably have eight seasons per Martian year in each hemisphere, if the orbital seasons were out of synch with the axial ones. I haven’t looked to see if this is the case or not.
    Our seasons happen to be very closely in synch. Aphelion is only 15 days from the SH winter solstice.

  142. stackja

    FDR

    But always will our whole Nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

    No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

    Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger.

    With confidence in our armed forces—with the unbounding determination of our people—we will gain the inevitable triumph- so help us God.

  143. candy

    But if I were his chief of staff, I’d confiscate his mobile phone and stop giving his enemies fodder,

    Does she really think she could confiscate the phone of the President? some strange ideas there.

  144. Frank

    Myrddin Seren, that youtube channel seems pretty interesting. Thanks for the link.

  145. Top Ender

    Boambee John and RobK, thanks, but I was doing this precisely because the other figures are so vague.

    There a load of figures around for the Allied casualties, ranging from 41,000 to a million, or more. For the Japanese they are similarly vague: a million, two million and so on.

    My thinking therefore was to give figures as precisely as possible, with justification, and therefore come up with totals.

    For example, for Allied KIA I compare a conventional invasion with those fatalities seen at D-Day.

    For the Japanese I look at troop strengths, and compare the loss rates of Saipan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa and so on to get a figure.

  146. DrBeauGan

    Our seasons happen to be very closely in synch. Aphelion is only 15 days from the SH winter solstice.

    Which, it is alleged, makes seasons more extreme in one hemisphere than the other. Can’t say I’ve noticed.

  147. Top Ender

    After news of the treatment of POWs started coming in, there was little inclination in many countries to negotiate with Japan.

    An opinion poll carried out in the USA in December 1944 asked ordinary Americans: “What do you think we should do with Japan as a country after the war?” One in three people answered that Japan should cease to exist as a country. More than one in eight said all the Japanese should be killed. US soldiers felt even more strongly. In an opinion poll in 1943, a half of US soldiers polled said that all Japanese soldiers would have to be killed before there was peace. (Grant, RG. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. East Sussex: Wayland Publishers, 1997. (p. 15)

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr B – I’ll burnish my orbital credentials by linking to this comment I made last year. Nailed it! 😀

    Ok, ok, I know. No one likes a smartarse.

  149. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Had such an agreement been made (unlikely, US opinion favoured Bull Halsey’s desire to make Japanese a language spoken only in Hell) then, to borrow some words from Hirohito’s eventual surrender announcement, the war would have proceeded in ways not necessarily to Australia’s advantage.

    Interesting hypothetical. Given that the Japanese plans for Australia were predicated on denying the United States the use of Australia as a base, with the United States out of the war, what future would Australia have had?

  150. stackja

    Every Japanese, young and old, would have been expected to follow the order and die killing as many invading troops. Japan would have been a waste land,

  151. zyconoclast

    Spain’s beauty queen is a transgender activist with a message for the schoolchildren she visits: “There are women with a penis and men with a vagina, because the only key part of being a woman is to be and feel like a woman.”

    Spain deserves to invaded by North Africans.

    This stuff makes General Franco look like one of the good guys.
    Can the re-animate him?

  152. Boambee John

    TE

    Do you include Japanese civilian deaths? The death rates of Okinawan civilians woupd give an indication.

  153. Leo G

    nemkat posted at 8:12 pm

    Just on oldozzie rabbitting on about the Japs:
    Here’s an account of the Surrender on Bougainville: …

    The account is not of the formal Surrender of Japanese forces on Bougainville, but one of its many implementations. The formal surrender was the acceptance of terms document signed by Lt-General Imamura and Vice-Admiral Kusaka on a British aircraft carrier in St George’s Channel on the 6th September 1945.

  154. Mater

    nemkat
    #2764118, posted on July 15, 2018 at 8:12 pm
    Just on oldozzie rabbitting on about the Japs:

    From your own link:

    Potts had long-term fears for the future, if the pressure on Japan was eased. He confided to Dawn; “I’m scared stiff we’ll all go soft because of further casualties and not hammer the Jap flat. We lose them in this war and the next will be the kids“.

    One major difference from battles in other theatres of the war was the burden of the wounded on their unit. They could not be left for the enemy to care for, as had been the case in Syria. Years later Potts recalled “We had to sit in the jungle listening to the screams of comrades tortured by the Japanese in an attempt to provoke an attack”.

    Nice own goal.

  155. One in three people answered that Japan should cease to exist as a country.

    I could have accepted that for Japan, Germany and Austria.

    *Germany* could have been carved up to a European Israel, France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Sweden, the Swiss etc.

    It might have been just but a real historical tragedy given how influential and widespread ethnic Germans actually were.

  156. Top Ender

    Yes, Japanese civilians a) in the militia, b) as armed fighters, c) with collateral damage, and d) dying of starvation.

  157. Rae

    Brilliant.

    Driving up, or down, through Snowdonia National Park those planes come from nowhere to roar over the top of you at very low altitude.

  158. DrBeauGan

    Ok, ok, I know. No one likes a smartarse.

    I like smartarses. Probably because I am one.

    Mars aphelion is around 1.66 AU, and perihelion around 1.38 so the solar intensity would be over 40 percent higher at perihelion. More than enough to affect seasons.

    With a much smaller eccentricity for Earth orbit the claim that southern hemisphere seasons are more extreme isn’t very convincing.

  159. Oh come on

    Another beaut evening for nemkant.

    You’re right. There is absolutely no point prosecuting the argument of this idiot again. He’s obdurately wrong.

  160. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    My thinking therefore was to give figures as precisely as possible, with justification, and therefore come up with totals.

    For example, for Allied KIA I compare a conventional invasion with those fatalities seen at D-Day.

    For the Japanese I look at troop strengths, and compare the loss rates of Saipan, Iwo Jima, Okinawa and so on to get a figure.

    By all means do your calculation and publish it.

    Then qualify it by acknowledging the imprecision of your estimates, and round then for each category to a couple of significant figures, tot up the total and offer that as a ballpark figure for possible deaths.

    Publishing 8 significant figures gives opponents an avenue to claim you are exaggerating.

  161. Boambee John

    Frank W

    *Germany* could have been carved up to a European Israel, France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Sweden, the Swiss etc.

    Research the Morgenthau Plan to make Germany a de-industrialised, agricultural, nation.

  162. stackja

    Boambee John
    #2764156, posted on July 15, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Stalin upset the Morgenthau Plan.

  163. Top Ender

    Yes, I have caveats for both the Allied and Japanese fatality figures BJ.

  164. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2764159, posted on July 15, 2018 at 9:08 pm
    That ‘Spanish Beauty’ is no beauty. So clearly male it isn’t fooling anyone.

    Some are fooled. As usual.

  165. Steve trickler

    Rae
    #2764150, posted on July 15, 2018 at 8:55 pm
    Brilliant.

    Driving up, or down, through Snowdonia National Park those planes come from nowhere to roar over the top of you at very low altitude.

    Say hello folks to Cassie from Sydney.

  166. calli

    Some are fooled. As usual.

    There’s no hiding that Adam’s apple.

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    *Germany* could have been carved up to a European Israel

    Don’t be silly.
    Much better to annihilate their culture, take their money, and flood them with immigrants until they no longer exist.
    It’s almost like it was the plan all along.

  168. Stimpson J. Cat

    Oh, it’s probably NSFW…

    I’ve just finished work.

  169. entropy

    With a much smaller eccentricity for Earth orbit the claim that southern hemisphere seasons are more extreme isn’t very convincing.

    The fact most of th southern hemisphere is ocean would ameliorate seasonal variation quite a bit.

    Winston: some of us might open this page on a work device. Just stop it.

  170. Boambee John

    On the deferred fate of Germany, I wonder how long before Bavaria secedes?

    The MSM would immediately provide ponderous pontifications on the nazi beginnings there, and extrapolate to new death camps being built.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Stalin upset the Morgenthau Plan.

    What were Stalin’s objections to the Morgenthau Plan – I would have thought it suited his agenda perfectly?

  172. slackster

    Random fact of the day:

    Type in the word dog 16 x in google translate – select Hawaiian as the origin language and translate it to English and this is what it translates to:

    “Doomsday Clock is three minutes at twelve We are experiencing characters and a dramatic developments in the world”

    Try it for yourself

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dr B – I saw a mention yesterday of Roy Spencer saying Earth’s orbit causes a variation of 7% in solar radiation. Not insignificant.

    Since the bulk of the land mass is in the NH that’s a good thing. If aphelion was in the northern winter you could well see glaciers all over Siberia. It already gets down to crazily low temps there in winter now – when the Earth is closest to the Sun. Don’t discount small mercies!

    Incidentally the Arctic temperature has been below normal all summer so far, and barely above freezing. Not looking good for the warmies. Although I was thinking some global warming might be a good thing this morning when I was cracking the ice off the bird bath. Can’t recall needing to do that before today.

  174. It reduces to thus:

    Twenty-two times we are experiencing events of history and stories on earth, showing that the Lord is near.

  175. zyconoclast

    That ‘Spanish Beauty’ is no beauty. So clearly male it isn’t fooling anyone.

    You can’t make this stuff up:
    Ms. Ponce, 27, grew up in Pilas, a town in southern Spain

  176. DrBeauGan

    Winston, that was the video Elle posted and which started the whole dialogue. I wanted females to come in and clean my place for the sex-reversed version.

  177. JC

    I think he really said this.

    London Mayor Sadiq Khan: “Can you imagine if we limited freedom of speech because somebody’s feelings might be hurt?”

  178. Boambee John

    London Mayor Sadiq Khan: “Can you imagine if we limited freedom of speech because somebody’s feelings might be hurt?”

    So he is comfortable with scantily clad women on London busses and cartoons of Mo in tube stations?

  179. Myrddin Seren

    I think he really said this.

    London Mayor Sadiq Khan: “Can you imagine if we limited freedom of speech because somebody’s feelings might be hurt?”

    Tommy Robinson couldn’t be reached for comment……

  180. mh

    Mark A
    #2764087, posted on July 15, 2018 at 7:35 pm
    Writes; Peta Credlin

    Despite Twitter tirades, Trump’s getting job done

    WHATEVER else he might be, the US President is direct and does what he says. But if I were his chief of staff, I’d confiscate his mobile phone and stop giving his enemies fodder,

    What a clueless, egotistical comment from Peta Credlin. Failed in Australian politics and wants to tell the world how she would improve Donald Trump.

  181. DrBeauGan

    “Ms Ponce” is a disgusting freak and letting kids see her and hear her would certainly be educational for them.

    I feel a certain pity for it, just enough to not want to kill it for being an abomination.

  182. JC

    Not only are they an evil organization, they’re totally vile.

    An Ad for Planned Murderhood in NYC.

  183. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Newspoll: Malcolm Turnbull leaves Bill Shorten in the dust

    The Australian
    9:33PM July 15, 2018
    Save

    Simon Benson
    National Affairs Editor
    Sydney
    @simonbenson

    Malcolm Turnbull has opened the gap as the preferred Prime Minister to lead Bill Shorten by the largest margin since May 2016 as the two leaders prepare for a critical test in next week’s by-elections.

    A Newspoll conducted exclusively for The Australia n shows Turnbull extending his lead over the Labor leader by four points with the margin blowing out to a 19 point advantage.

    The last time the Prime Minister held a lead of this magnitude was two months prior to the 2016 election.

    The Coalition has also maintained its small electoral improvement but still trails Labor on an unchanged two party vote of 51/49.

    The poll marks a 36 poll losing streak for the Coalition under Turnbull’s leadership and comes on the back of a fortnight that has seen the government tread dangerous political ground with the release of controversial changes to the GST carve for the States and Territories

  184. Some History

    Ponce by name, ponce by nature.

    ponce
    pɒns/
    BRITISHinformal
    noun
    1. 1.
    derogatory
    an effeminate man.
    2. 2.
    a man who lives off a prostitute’s earnings.

  185. That clip JC is what modern leftism is all about.

    Too lazy to even use contraceptives, and someone else must pay.

  186. Death Giraffe

    You know Beaugan, it doesn’t take that damn much to keep a house clean.
    What the hell is wrong with modern people?
    Vacuum. Couple of times a week. Ten minutes.
    Mop. Same.
    Laundry. 1 minute a day. Jesus they make a machine that does it for you.
    Every month wipe the tops of doors, de-cobweb the ceiling and scrub the kitchen cupboards. Hour tops.
    Other than that, just clean up after yourself you manky grub.

  187. John Constantine

    Reports of rental houses where Meth was cooked having high residue levels in the carpets and walls are common.

    Claims now that rental houses where long term Meth smoking has occurred are damaging for kids.

    Who knows, but wastewater testing of sewerage plants indicates a percentage of houses in rural Australia are generating a lot of methpiss.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    Twenty-two times we are experiencing events of history and stories on earth, showing that the Lord is near.

    Dot – See your 22 raise you 20,000.

    Deuteronomy 7:9 New International Version (NIV)

    9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

    Take a ticket and wait for your number to be called. Could be a while. 😀

  189. John Constantine

    Lithium battery vacuum cleaners aren’t just for headers and tractors and trucks cabins, they work darn fine inside as well.

  190. An Ad for Planned Murderhood in NYC.

    That is so evil i have no words for it.

    Damn them to hell.

  191. zyconoclast

    CHINA THROWS THE RECYCLING SCAM IN THE TRASH
    Now you get to do the work that China won’t.

    The huge dirty secret of recycling was also one of the world’s worst polluters.

    Every branch of government from Washington D.C. to your local town council had spent a fortune convincing people that recycling is a magical process that turns your old pizza boxes into new pizza boxes while creating those imaginary “green jobs” in the community. The reality was a lot dirtier.

    All of America’s industries, including trash sorting, had been outsourced to China.

    And recycling is just a fancy lefty way of saying “trash.” All that recycling, which children in progressive communities are taught to sort as the closest thing to a religious ritual, was really being dumped by the ton on dirty ships and sent over to China. We weren’t recycling it. The Chinese were.

    But now China is banning foreign recycling because it’s bad for the environment.

    Even the Communists got tired of sorting through the trash of American socialists. The recycling scam shipped garbage on dirty ships for dirty industries while pretending that they’re clean and green.

    There was never anything clean about it. And only the money it brought in was green.

    Now the recycling party’s over. Plastic recycling imports were banned early this year. Even fiber has trouble getting in to the People’s Republic. China’s mixed paper standards mean that most of the recycled cardboard and paper no longer passes muster. Instead it’s piling up in the United States.

    The recycling scam used to be an easy trade. China shipped its cheap products made from recycled American junk and scrap here. The empty vessels used to dump Chinese junk products on America were then filled up with tons of recycling for the return trip back to China at minimal cost.

    We sent them junk, they sent us junk. As the trade deficit grew, recycling was one of its many parasites.

    But China is out of the recycling dump business. And the recycling business depended on it. No other market pays what it did. And no other country has the industrial scale to handle this much recycled trash. The American market is flooded with recycling that no one wants and trash prices have imploded.

    And that’s having an immediate impact on the progressive recycling programs in the United States.

    California’s trash is going right back to landfills. 62% of exported materials used to go to China. But no more. California’s Department of Resources Recycling sent a letter cautioning that the “economics of recycling” had become “unfavorable” thus “challenging what recycling means to Californians.”

    It also warned recycling facilities that, “public health and safety should be their number one priority”.

    In Massachusetts, mountains of trash recycling are piling up and there’s talk that trucks may stop picking it up. In Pennsylvania, a “recycling crisis created by China” was blamed for a refusal to accept paper. In Seattle and Phoenix, recycling is going into landfills. Fees are going up in Portland. In Pasco, recycling was abandoned before its start. In a Kansas City plant, one out of four items is going into a landfill. In Sacramento, where all of California’s recycling rules are made, most recyclables no longer are.

    Fort Worth’s recycling brought in nearly a million last year. Now, it’s expected to cost $1.6 million.

    Recology used to be the epitome of the reinvented garbage hauler, merging San Francisco urban politics with progressive PR about ending waste. But zero landfill talk has given way to a blunter reality, “There’s no market for a lot of stuff in the blue bin. What we can’t recycle we take to a landfill.”

    Environmental regulations had already turned garbage collection in California into an expensive disaster, but this is an entirely unprecedented mess complete with mountains of trash and mountains of bills.

    Recycling has become economically unsustainable, but that doesn’t mean it’s going away.

    There’s too much money in environmental scams. And recycling is the biggest of them. The China crisis is being met with the three R’s of progressive policymaking; rent-seeking, regulations and robbery.

    Some homeowners are already seeing higher trash collection fees. Those will only get worse. Especially on the West Coast where the China option helped dull the painful costs of recycling. But the costs will hit everyone as politicians resort to mandating higher levels of recycled content in everyday products.

    Want to sell soda, tissues or milk? Pay the politically connected recycling companies for the privilege of using their trash. As recycling costs go up, content mandates will force companies to create an artificial market. And the costs will be passed along to consumers who will have to pay more for everything.

    Like higher trash fees, tightened recycling regulations have also only begun to arrive. If you live in a blue state or city, expect to spend a lot more time sorting your trash, cleaning your cans and removing plastic from your envelopes so that they meet China’s new high standards for imported trash.

    China will no longer be sorting American trash. So progressives have decided that you will.

    We hear about the jobs that Americans won’t do. But this is a job that the Chinese won’t do. And that Americans will be forced to do for free. As China becomes more capitalist, America turns Communist.

    Or as a video on the Recology site prompts, “How to be a better recycle because China demands it.”

    Environmentalist municipalities have already begun rolling out condescending campaigns berating homeowners for their foolish and lazy recycling practices. ‘Wishcycling’ is a charmless portmanteau you will see more of. But what it really means is that homeowners who are already being taxed to death are being hectored by the environmental activists they subsidize who have never worked a day in their lives.

    Will all of that save the recycling scam?

    No, but it won’t matter. Most homeowners have no idea how much of their recyclables go into landfills anyway. The dirty business of municipal waste contracts will continue on uninterrupted. The extra fees and costs will be another one of the left’s thousand cuts that are bleeding the middle class to death.

    Homeowners will be taxed harder so that crony cash can flow to even bigger recycling operations. You will pay more for everything you buy to subsidize politically connected, but uneconomical enterprises.

    Recycling is not a reality, but an idea. Like Communism, it can never be achieved, but must be aspired to.

    Smaller towns and cities will be forced to dump their recycling programs. And more conservative areas will be dissuaded from getting on board as the profit margins from recycling turn into pools of red ink. But blue states and cities will never abandon recycling. And if Washington D.C. goes blue again, the dictates of crony socialism and green fanaticism will roll out new compulsory standards nationwide.

    Recycling is in crisis. But the environmental scam is too big to fail.

    The ships carrying most of the blue state and city “green” trash will no longer be allowed into China. But there are other countries and continents desperate enough to take their socialist trash.

    The dirty secret of recycling is that it depended on the willingness of Third World countries to greenwash our trash so that progressives could pretend that their moral garbage was saving the planet.

    The smaller countries of Southeast Asia don’t have the capacity to take up China’s slack, but the People’s Republic has progressively been colonizing Africa. Some African countries were already being used to recycle and dump e-waste. The shipping won’t be as cheap, but recycling’s next stop is likely to be Africa where environmentalists will turn it into a trash heap… to protect the environment.

  192. Shy Ted

    Been at work all day, it’s late but I’ll see your Tom and raise you a Nice Rack

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    USS Ponce

    Class and type: Austin-class amphibious transport dock

    Armament: 8 × 0.5 in (12.7 mm) caliber gun mounts
    2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS
    2 × 25 mm Mk 38 Mod 2[1]
    Laser Weapon System[2]

    Sadly now decommissioned since last year.

  194. zyconoclast

    Not really interested in soccer but I hope the Croatians spank the French good and hard.

  195. Stimpson J. Cat

    But if I were his chief of staff, I’d confiscate his mobile phone and stop giving his enemies fodder,

    B$tch please, you literally couldn’t organize an Abbott in a brothel.
    The absolute state of this bint Jesus Christ.

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    One Japanese estimate was that, if the war had gone on into 1946, anywhere between five and ten million Japanese would have either starved to death, or died from disease.

    Dipping into “Downfall” by Richard E Frank, seems in the first year of occupation, the United States shipped 800,000 tonnes of food to Japan.

  197. Oh come on

    Holy fucking shit Feinstein has been primaried!! The Dems are tacking hard port!!

  198. Oh come on

    Wow this is insane. Feinstein beaten from the left!! They are going full Michael Foot.

  199. Oh come on

    Democrats are turning unabashed communist. Bernie Sanders won’t get a guernsey as he’s too moderate for the new Democrat base.

  200. Oh come on

    Trump will win 49 states in 2020. Perhaps 48.

  201. Fisky

    Sanders is considered a “racist” by the majority of Dem primary voters.

  202. JC

    Wow, I thought the vote was going to be close, but she would take it out. Another loon takes a senate seat.

    It’s not something to cheer about because the left could win and things get really rocky when the Left goes nuts.

  203. JC

    Oco

    But what comes after? The White House is hard for the GOP to win, or has been.

  204. C.L.

    Democrats are turning unabashed communist.

    Turning?
    They gifted South Vietnam to Ho Chi Minh 45 years ago.

  205. johanna

    Here is a very interesting take on the FBI/CIA stuff. In essence, the Mueller move of naming a bunch of spies is counter-productive.

    Intentionally or unintentionally, Mueller revealed in the indictment information no one should ever have known. Mueller made it clear that the counterintelligence of the United States had obtained access to the GRU computer network, from which practically all the data for the indictment were taken. Lawyers for an impudently smiling Russian officer will demand (on legal grounds) all the details of how information about their client was obtained.

    This is the most sacred triad in intelligence: means, methods, and sources. To protect them, all intelligence services of the world spend more money and effort than on espionage itself. Now Mueller, instead of utilizing these Russians in accordance with unwritten rules, has accused Russian officers publicly and will have to present evidence of their guilt in not a closed, but an open trial.

    Leftists in America are dissatisfied with the fact that Mueller time and again has found no evidence that Trump is Putin’s puppet. The right-wingers in America are unhappy with the fact that Mueller recruited a team of prosecutors exclusively from Hillary’s ardent admirers.

    Professional counterintelligence agents from the FBI resent this theater of the absurd. From a national security point of view, it does not matter why Mueller did it the day after the Democrats’ disgraceful behavior during Agent Strzok’s hearings in the House of Representatives, or why Mueller did it almost on the eve of the meeting between Trump and Putin in Helsinki.

    From a national security point of view, the much more important question is why he did it. Mueller’s move was not judicial, but political, at the potential expense of national security.

    Very good point.

    I also commend to Cats and kittehs Rep Louis Gomert’s interview at Breitbart, which I can’t find the link for just now. It is explosive, turns out that Hillary’s emails to and from the White House were routinely intercepted and copied by at least one other foreign player. He is not allowed to say who it was, but he did say that it wasn’t Russia.

    Scratches chin. Gee, I wonder who it might be?

  206. Death Giraffe

    The colleges keep on pumping out leftwing idiots with romantic ideas about communism.
    When the worm turns, as it always does, Republicans will regret not going harder and smarter at the culture.
    Culture is everything.
    Or everything else flows from it.

  207. Oh come on

    It’s not something to cheer about because the left could win and things get really rocky when the Left goes nuts.

    The left is going nuts now! Right in front of our eyes. The further left they go, the more difficult it will be for them to win.

  208. Fisky

    Pamela Geller

    @PamelaGeller

    More
    Libya warlord Khalifa Haftar calls for raising “the flag of Jihad” against “the fascist colonial state of Italy”: “We are ready for Jihad alongside other honorable tribes against Allah’s enemies.”

    Taking out Gaddafi was a brilliant move! Thanks Obama!

  209. JC

    OCO

    Crazy Bernie could have likely won if it was a match against Trump. Cheering reminds me of the early stages of Corbyn winning the party leadership. The result is laughed by the Right and he was whisker in becoming the PM.

  210. C.L.

    The whining from American leftists about how their country, their “way of life” and their democracy are all endangered by a bunch of pelicans in the GRU nerd bunker is two things: absolutely absurd and utterly concocted. Nothing Wussians or Chinamen do to “interfere” in an election will ever make any difference to the outcome of national elections. No surprise that our own power-expanding, cash-addicted “intelligence” imbeciles have jumped on this lucrative bandwagon, successfully demanding new powers and (inevitably) new monies. The intelligence agencies of the Western world are all compromised and corrupt bureaucracies. They don’t ‘protect’ us. We need protection from them.
    ————-
    As for Mueller, he is totally and unquestionably corrupt. Not much better than Rosenberg. He knows for a fact that there was no Trump-centered collusion, knows for a fact that the DNC illegally cooperated with the Russians to rig the 2016 election and knows the FBI was working for the Clinton campaign. To cover all of these elephant tracks, Mueller is indicting people who can never be tried.

  211. Fisky

    Sanders probably would have beaten Trump in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, not to mention Florida with all the J-wish retirees living there. I warned M0nty about pom-poming for Crooked Hillary but the idiot wouldn’t listen! Sad!

  212. Oh come on

    Turning?
    They gifted South Vietnam to Ho Chi Minh 45 years ago.

    Unabashed, I said. Saigon was left twisting in the breeze by jellybacks in Congress who had been convinced by genuine communist sympathisers in the MSM that the war was unwinnable. However, most Dems were anti-communist back then.

    Today, the Dem crop coming up wants to ban profits, impose international solidarity (ie. dissolve borders), abolish rule of law and celebrate the 200th birthday of Karl Marx. This ain’t your Mommy’s Democrat Party.

  213. JC

    Wow, the department store is dead. I’ve been wondering how much longer Myer can last.

    https://nypost.com/2018/07/14/the-department-store-apocalypse-is-taking-its-toll-on-nyc/

  214. Oh come on

    The result is laughed by the Right and he was whisker in becoming the PM.

    Agree but like Hillary Clinton in 2016, it was May’s election to lose and she very nearly did with her bungles that almost resulted in PM Corbyn.

    Trump will have serious problems if there is a sharp economic downturn between now and 2020. However, if there isn’t, the nutty hard left candidate that Dem primaries will deliver is going to tank in the general election.

  215. JC

    Today, the Dem crop coming up wants to ban profits, impose international solidarity (ie. dissolve borders), abolish rule of law and celebrate the 200th birthday of Karl Marx. This ain’t your Mommy’s Democrat Party.

    It’s the offshoot of Occupy Wall Street loons. The trouble is they want power and will be very reluctant to relinquish it like in Venezuela.

  216. Oh come on

    Wow, the department store is dead. I’ve been wondering how much longer Myer can last.

    DJs is on the out, too. You wouldn’t want to be holding shares in either company.

  217. Oh come on

    The more extreme they go, the harder it will be to capture the all-important independent voter.

  218. Fisky

    The parallels between May and Clinton are very well described. Both had a political autism problem. They occupied the “centre” of the political spectrum and thought that should suffice, but neither had any idea how to connect with voters. We need to appreciate that personality is worth a lot more than policy, and if a pollie on our side isn’t connecting, they must be jettisoned quickly.

  219. max

    what is going to come out of the Trump/ Putin meeting ?

  220. Fisky

    Matthew Goodwin

    Verified account

    @GoodwinMJ
    21h
    21 hours ago

    More
    Britain’s Brexit voters in numbers

    76% Gvt negotiating Brexit “badly”
    66% May wants “too soft” Brexit
    58% Chequers disrespects EURef
    57% “oppose” May’s Brexit vision
    54% “unhappy” if Chequers is deal
    51% Chequers “not good for Britain”
    49% May “should go now”

    There is a huge opening here for a competent, non-autistic, populist Tory leader to emerge. But who? Boris has already failed twice, and probably won’t get another look in. Gove is ideologically sound, but an autist. Jacob Rees-Mogg is ideologically solid, but comes across like a toff. Who is left???

  221. Bruce in WA

    Been married to a truly beautiful woman.

    Been divorced and alone.

    Been so lucky to have met and married an equally, if not moreso, beautiful woman.

    “I am nothing special, of this I am sure. I am a common man with common thoughts and I’ve led a common life. There are no monuments dedicated to me and my name will soon be forgotten, but I’ve loved another with all my heart and soul, and to me, this has always been enough..”
    ― Nicholas Sparks, The Notebook

    Nah, I don’t want to ever be lonely again.

  222. JC

    Agree but like Hillary Clinton in 2016, it was May’s election to lose and she very nearly did with her bungles that almost resulted in PM Corbyn.

    Yea, but who’s to say the GOP ends up with a good candidate after Trump and won’t wonder off into Bush/Romney land?

    Trump will have serious problems if there is a sharp economic downturn between now and 2020. However, if there isn’t, the nutty hard left candidate that Dem primaries will deliver is going to tank in the general election.

    The thing that worries me is that the Fed is currently running a pro-cyclical monetary policy and the yield curve is flattening, which can be (not is) an indicator to a potential slowing, down the road. It could be a rough 2020. Moreover, it’s not 100% Trump will run again. Everyone assumes he will, but it’s not a done deal and much less likely that he will compared to any recent president.

    The problem with the fucking Fed is that it usually tightens until it tips the economy into recession.

    Here’s the other thing, OCO. I was around when Reagan was prez . He too got a lot of shit from the MSM, but he was widely popular and I think took out .. what was it 45 states in 1984 for the second term. He won primarily because the economy was doing fabulously under him. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see Americans overjoyed with the great economy. Maybe they either don’t greatly care or don’t trust it. There’s no feeling of euphoria about the economy over there.

  223. Old School Conservative

    I’m watching the Tour de France and find myself enjoying all the crashes on the cobblestones and dusty roads.
    If it was someone else i’d say “sicko”.

  224. Bruce in WA

    Can anyone recommend a good calibre for hunting nem cats?

    Oh, BTW … I’d opt for a .223 with 60-grain Nosler Partition or Barnes 62-grain Triple Shock.

  225. Fisky

    It doesn’t matter what “Americans” think about the economy. The only issue that really determines elections is identity politics, and the palpable hatred that different voter blocs have toward each other. Hardly any voters care about the issues anymore, it’s just about protecting themselves from their opponents – look at how 80% of white evangelicals support Trump, despite his horrible personal life, because at least he will appoint pro-life judges.

    So there’s no “country” anymore, just warring tribes, and whoever can figure how to squeeze out a slightly higher turnout within their demographic. The days of 40-state landslides, on so-called “issues”, are long gone.

  226. DrBeauGan

    Rees Mogg’s problem isn’t that he’s a toff. His problem is that he’s intelligent. Tories feel about intelligence the way they do about hair. Too little might be a minor inconvenience, too much is a horrible embarrassment.

  227. Fisky

    Also, weirdo bow-tie wearing “conservatives” need to shut up about the s0-called “constitution”. There is no “constitution”. No one wants to follow it. If you can use it to defend your gang, then great, if not then chuck it. I’m sorry, but this is not Boomer country anymore, we have moved into a totally different era which is a free-for-all. And if right-wingers don’t play by the new rules, they lose.

  228. Mark A

    Bruce in WA
    #2764253, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:39 pm

    Nah, I don’t want to ever be lonely again.

    Alone lonely.
    I know a guy he never married, has 2 children lives alone 99% of the time and happy as Larry.

  229. JC

    Oh come on
    #2764247, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    The more extreme they go, the harder it will be to capture the all-important independent voter.

    Maybe. Look, I think there’s more acceptance of hard left positions now than anytime before in my adulthood.

    Corbyn is running on a QE for welfare policy for instance. In other words he wants to introduce hyperinflation. He has shown desire to take the homes owned by foreigners and tip in welfare recipients. The polls are neck and neck over there. May could be the cause, but Corbyn doesn’t get much shit about his communism.

    Fisky
    #2764248, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    The parallels between May and Clinton are very well described. Both had a political autism problem. They occupied the “centre” of the political spectrum and thought that should suffice, but neither had any idea how to connect with voters. We need to appreciate that personality is worth a lot more than policy, and if a pollie on our side isn’t connecting, they must be jettisoned quickly.

    Fisk, May tried the centrist route.Crooked tried that at the beginning and then moved hard left when Bernie became a serious threat. Crooked was hard left at the end and she won 3 million more votes than agent orange.

  230. Mark A

    PS “Alone lonely.” supposed to be ‘Alone not equals lonely.’

    The blog engine don’t let the symbols through.

  231. JC

    DrBeauGan
    #2764259, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:47 pm

    Rees Mogg’s problem isn’t that he’s a toff. His problem is that he’s intelligent. Tories feel about intelligence the way they do about hair. Too little might be a minor inconvenience, too much is a horrible embarrassment.

    His psychical presence is also very weak looking.

  232. Fisky

    Hillary only moved hard Left on racial/identity issues to beat Bernie. She had to overcompensate for her general pro-business line. She won the overwhelming majority of donations from the top end of town, and crushed Trump in the top 10% of districts.

  233. Fisky

    Rees-Mogg does look very effete. I don’t think he’s a good match for Corbyn. The Tories need someone like Boris, but he has already shown he’s not up to the job.

  234. Infidel Tiger

    The most amazing thing about the last election is that Trump won Beverly Hills.

  235. Oh come on

    Boris is too flaky. He’s not a safe pair of hands at all. David Davis is pretty sound.

    I think Rees-Mogg, if given sufficient airtime, could win over the public.

  236. Bruce in WA

    PS “Alone lonely.” supposed to be ‘Alone not equals lonely.’

    No, not necessarily. With me, it did. Eventually.

  237. C.L.

    Unabashed, I said.

    What do you call gifting South Vietnam to Ho Chi Minh?

  238. Rees Mogg’s problem isn’t that he’s a toff. His problem is that he’s intelligent.

    There’s a pill for that.

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