Open Forum: July 14, 2018

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  1. JC

    It doesn’t matter what “Americans” think about the economy. The only issue that really determines elections is identity politics, and the palpable hatred that different voter blocs have toward each other. Hardly any voters care about the issues anymore, it’s just about protecting themselves from their opponents – look at how 80% of white evangelicals support Trump, despite his horrible personal life, because at least he will appoint pro-life judges.

    So there’s no “country” anymore, just warring tribes, and whoever can figure how to squeeze out a slightly higher turnout within their demographic. The days of 40-state landslides, on so-called “issues”, are long gone.

    Possibly true. Sad if it is.

    Thing is that it’s hard to believe people don’t seem to care much about the economy when it’s going great guns. But if it’s true what you say then the left will win because they’re the ones who know how to play ID politics. They have the minorities and there’s not enough of the white vote to spill over to the GOP. Sure, whites are about ~63% of the population and more whites vote in elections. However it will be impossible to grab the winning margin of whites because there are so many stark raving loons in that cohort. And legal immigrants vote left.

    Asians, a natural GOP cohort in theory votes 65% D’rat, FFS.

  2. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2764269, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:53 pm

    The most amazing thing about the last election is that Trump won Beverly Hills.

    I think it’s always tended GOP I think. California used to once be a reasonably safe GOP state. think about that! It was considered a swing state in Reagan’s time. Oh and Reagan won California and freaking NY in 84.
    NY!

  3. Oh come on

    It’s not going to be Rees-Mogg any time soon, I don’t think. He has some grassroots support, and leads a faction that currently holds about 50 seats in parliament. Which is nice, but he’s going to need more than that to become the conservative leader.

  4. Zyconoclast

    Tories invite/poach Nigel Farage and offer him the PM job and total Brexit.

  5. JC

    Tories invite/poach Nigel Farage and offer him the PM job and total Brexit.

    Good idea, but too out there for the Tories.

  6. Oh come on

    What do you call gifting South Vietnam to Ho Chi Minh?

    Fiction.

  7. JC

    His posture is hunched over and looks weak. It’s very likely that’s because he’s tall and lanky, but it’s not a great look.

  8. Fisky

    Whites with college degrees are the only group in the US that don’t vote like a militant minority group, splitting about 50-50. Whites without college degrees went 2:1 for Trump. 2016 was a watershed election because it really drove home the fact that US elections (like Malaysia, Kenya, and other tribalized societies) are now almost solely determined by identity. This is the future so get used to it.

  9. JC

    Whites with college degrees are the only group in the US that don’t vote like a militant minority group, splitting about 50-50.

    That’s not a minority, Fisk. College enrollment was around 65% in the past years. That means the vote enrollment is higher than that for obvious reasons.

  10. JC

    white enrollment… not vote..

  11. Fisky

    California was solid GOP until the effects of Reagan’s 1986 amnesty played out, which added about 3 million new Dem voters.

  12. Top Ender

    Interesting:

    Multiculturalism has failed: let’s cut immigration, refugee intake
    SHERRY SUFIThe Australian12:00AM July 16, 2018

    John Howard, as prime minister, removed references to multiculturalism when he renamed the Department of Immigration more than a decade ago. His critics wondered, what’s in a name? The issue wasn’t the term but the principle that underlies it.

    There have been two multicultural experiments in history. The first was empires. That failed. The second is mass immigration. That’s on the verge of failure.

    Empires were still around last century, but due to constant wars they didn’t have fixed borders. In defeat, the borders shrank; in victory, they expanded. New territory meant absorbing new nations. This meant constant shifts in demographics. Tensions led to strife between people.

    Jewish struggles for independence against the Roman Empire more than 2000 years ago show how ancient is the human desire for self-preservation. From the Maccabean Revolt before Jesus Christ to the Bar Kokhba revolt after him, Jewish people had long sought independence. It took until 1948 to be free at last.

    The Ottoman Empire ruled over Macedonians, Albanians, Bulgars, Greeks, Arabs, Jews and Armenians among others, but the rulers were Turks. It crumbled after World War I.

    The British Empire ruled three-quarters of the planet. India was once its “jewel in the crown”. Despite his British education, Mahatma Gandhi led a nonviolent ­revolt to oust India’s British rulers.

    The Soviet Union was the last to crumble, as late as the 1990s. Estonians, Lithuanians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and a dozen other nations were brought together under one state, but their rulers were Russians. The Soviet Union is gone.

    The age of empires was over. What replaced it was the nation state. Empires over two centuries broke down into independent countries with their own flags, anthems, emblems and jurisdictions.

    Unlike shrinking and expanding empires that underwent constant demographic shifts, nation states have demarcated borders. Where Spain ends, Portugal starts. Where India ends, Pakistan starts. Where the US ends, Mexico starts.

    This grand tessellation of nations remains the formula for the 193 UN member states. Global consensus supports it on the basis that each and every nation has the right to sovereignty and self-preservation. But mass immigration undermines the nation state. Non-Western countries understand this and choose to opt out accordingly. Yet the West continues to participate in this second multicultural experiment.

    Our academic and political elites often remind us that absorbing more people is “good for the economy” because of more lower-skilled workers, higher gross domestic product and cheap labour. Although tendentious at best, even if this were construed as a net benefit, the reality is that this ­motivation is driven by an unrelenting guilt from our colonial past.

    What seems like rational policy is actually based on emotion. Mass immigration defeats the whole point of nation states replacing empires. Instead of transcending tribalistic tendencies, mass immigration provides the seedbed for inter-ethnic hostilities and re-­creates the conflict-prone environments of imperial times. Except back then, the rulers came to the ruled by force. Today the ruled come to the rulers by choice.

    Nowhere are conflicted loyalties more pronounced than in the case of imams within Australia’s Muslim community who waste disproportionate amounts of time complaining about imaginary “white privilege”, “racism” and “Islamophobia”. In 2015, for example, the grand mufti of Australia said racism and Islamophobia were the “causative factors” behind terrorism in Australia.

    Despite the obvious fact that Islam is not a race, such misguided claims seem all too common among mainstream Islamic leaders. If their efforts were spent combating the conspiracy theories about the US and Israel that continue to paralyse Muslim public opinion, they would do more to stop terrorism than anything a government policy could accomplish.

    The Romans were pagan, the Ottomans were Muslim, the Brits were Christian and the Soviets were communist. The first multicultural experiment failed for all equally. No societal framework can sustain itself for long if it ends up becoming a laboratory of ­conflicted loyalties. Australia still participates in the second experiment. It’s time to opt out.

    There is a time and place to appreciate diversity and to be charitable to those from beyond our shores. Australia has been, and still is, one of the most generous nations on earth to immigrants from all walks of life.

    But as the age-old adage goes: charity begins at home. Self-preservation comes first. The way forward is to scale back our annual intake of legal immigrants from 190,000 to half that.

    The reduced intake should be from regions with compatible values and goals.

    Our refugee intake should also be scaled back from 13,750 to half that, with a focus on those most in need. Resettling the victims of hate crimes from the rural carnage in South Africa should remain a priority, for example.

    There should be a temporary freeze on intake from countries with populations hostile to the West. Skills shortages in the workforce should be overcome through renewed focus on training and ­apprenticeships for unemployed Australians first. We have plenty of eager young women and men willing to gain experience; we don’t need to outsource our jobs overseas.

    These are among the key ideas set to be debated at the West Australian Liberal Party’s annual state conference in Perth next month. No doubt, Howard knew there was more to multiculturalism than a mere term. The underlying principle was as complex and problematic in his times as it remains in ours. It’s high time we did something about it.

    Sherry Sufi is chairman of the WA Liberal Party’s policy committee. These are his personal views.

    Link

  13. JC

    California was solid GOP until the effects of Reagan’s 1986 amnesty played out, which added about 3 million new Dem voters.

    I recall, years ago, reading a piece by Steve Sailer. It took 80 years for the Italian-American vote to hit 50/50 and later rise to majority GOP. The GOP was wishful thinking that by putting 3 million on the citizen track they would become GOP voters. Madness.

  14. Fisky

    That’s not a minority, Fisk. College enrollment was around 65% in the past years. That means the vote enrollment is higher than that for obvious reasons.

    Whites without a college degree were about 40% of the electorate in 2016. Whites with a college degree was about 30%. The point is that every demographic is voting militantly one way or another, except that one swing demographic (which has been trending Dem IMO).

  15. Top Ender

    Interesting:

    Multiculturalism has failed: let’s cut immigration, refugee intake
    SHERRY SUFIThe Australian12:00AM July 16, 2018

    John Howard, as prime minister, removed references to multiculturalism when he renamed the Department of Immigration more than a decade ago. His critics wondered, what’s in a name? The issue wasn’t the term but the principle that underlies it.

    There have been two multicultural experiments in history. The first was empires. That failed. The second is mass immigration. That’s on the verge of failure.

    Empires were still around last century, but due to constant wars they didn’t have fixed borders. In defeat, the borders shrank; in victory, they expanded. New territory meant absorbing new nations. This meant constant shifts in demographics. Tensions led to strife between people.

    J-wish struggles for independence against the Roman Empire more than 2000 years ago show how ancient is the human desire for self-preservation. From the Maccabean Revolt before Jesus Christ to the Bar Kokhba revolt after him, J-wish people had long sought independence. It took until 1948 to be free at last.

    The Ottoman Empire ruled over Macedonians, Albanians, Bulgars, Greeks, Arabs, J-ws and Armenians among others, but the rulers were Turks. It crumbled after World War I.

    The British Empire ruled three-quarters of the planet. India was once its “j-wel in the crown”. Despite his British education, Mahatma Gandhi led a nonviolent ­revolt to oust India’s British rulers.

    The Soviet Union was the last to crumble, as late as the 1990s. Estonians, Lithuanians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and a dozen other nations were brought together under one state, but their rulers were Russians. The Soviet Union is gone.

    The age of empires was over. What replaced it was the nation state. Empires over two centuries broke down into independent countries with their own flags, anthems, emblems and jurisdictions.

    Unlike shrinking and expanding empires that underwent constant demographic shifts, nation states have demarcated borders. Where Spain ends, Portugal starts. Where India ends, Pakistan starts. Where the US ends, Mexico starts.

    This grand tessellation of nations remains the formula for the 193 UN member states. Global consensus supports it on the basis that each and every nation has the right to sovereignty and self-preservation. But mass immigration undermines the nation state. Non-Western countries understand this and choose to opt out accordingly. Yet the West continues to participate in this second multicultural experiment.

    Our academic and political elites often remind us that absorbing more people is “good for the economy” because of more lower-skilled workers, higher gross domestic product and cheap labour. Although tendentious at best, even if this were construed as a net benefit, the reality is that this ­motivation is driven by an unrelenting guilt from our colonial past.

    What seems like rational policy is actually based on emotion. Mass immigration defeats the whole point of nation states replacing empires. Instead of transcending tribalistic tendencies, mass immigration provides the seedbed for inter-ethnic hostilities and re-­creates the conflict-prone environments of imperial times. Except back then, the rulers came to the ruled by force. Today the ruled come to the rulers by choice.

    Nowhere are conflicted loyalties more pronounced than in the case of imams within Australia’s Muslim community who waste disproportionate amounts of time complaining about imaginary “white privilege”, “racism” and “Islamophobia”. In 2015, for example, the grand mufti of Australia said racism and Islamophobia were the “causative factors” behind terrorism in Australia.

    Despite the obvious fact that Islam is not a race, such misguided claims seem all too common among mainstream Islamic leaders. If their efforts were spent combating the conspiracy theories about the US and Israel that continue to paralyse Muslim public opinion, they would do more to stop terrorism than anything a government policy could accomplish.

    The Romans were pagan, the Ottomans were Muslim, the Brits were Christian and the Soviets were communist. The first multicultural experiment failed for all equally. No societal framework can sustain itself for long if it ends up becoming a laboratory of ­conflicted loyalties. Australia still participates in the second experiment. It’s time to opt out.

    There is a time and place to appreciate diversity and to be charitable to those from beyond our shores. Australia has been, and still is, one of the most generous nations on earth to immigrants from all walks of life.

    But as the age-old adage goes: charity begins at home. Self-preservation comes first. The way forward is to scale back our annual intake of legal immigrants from 190,000 to half that.

    The reduced intake should be from regions with compatible values and goals.

    Our refugee intake should also be scaled back from 13,750 to half that, with a focus on those most in need. Resettling the victims of hate crimes from the rural carnage in South Africa should remain a priority, for example.

    There should be a temporary freeze on intake from countries with populations hostile to the West. Skills shortages in the workforce should be overcome through renewed focus on training and ­apprenticeships for unemployed Australians first. We have plenty of eager young women and men willing to gain experience; we don’t need to outsource our jobs overseas.

    These are among the key ideas set to be debated at the West Australian Liberal Party’s annual state conference in Perth next month. No doubt, Howard knew there was more to multiculturalism than a mere term. The underlying principle was as complex and problematic in his times as it remains in ours. It’s high time we did something about it.

    Sherry Sufi is chairman of the WA Liberal Party’s policy committee. These are his personal views.

    Link

  16. JC

    except that one swing demographic (which has been trending Dem IMO).

    Which is what, the white college undergrad?

  17. johanna

    I should point out that Johanna has been very polite to me lately, JC. So perhaps she and I have become reconciled to our differences and both backed off? Regardless of that, I would help her out of a Thai cave any day, although with the proviso that I am not a very good swimmer nor cook;

    JC doesn’t get it and never will.

    He has admitted that he and Rabz, living in Sydney and Melbourne, have been chatting about me. JC has never laid eyes on me. But, he is happy to promulgate lies based on chats with his pal.

    You want war?

    Think about it.

    I mean that, think about it.

    I’m not the pushover that your bully brigade usually encounters. I’ve got nothing to lose.

    Heh!

  18. C.L.

    Fiction.

    The Democrats didn’t deliberately lose the Vietnam War?

  19. Fisky

    Which is what, the white college undergrad?

    Yes. Went from overwhelmingly GOP to dead even.

  20. JC

    Johanna

    In the immortal words of David L… fuck off. Seriously, just fuck off.

    And no, you filthy creature, I’ve never met Rabz, never corresponded with Rabz, but I’m certainly not opposed to meeting him, as he comes across as a good guy and would be good to have a drink with.

    Lizzie,

    I didn’t see your comment as I would have replied. Frankly, I don’t give a rats if you’re getting on with this worthless piece of trash. Good luck with that, but don’t be optimistic if it doesn’t end up with another brain spasm.

    There’s a place for her kind. It’s the violent dementia ward.

  21. C.L.

    2PP this morning has the Liberals still trailing Labor.
    The Australian is headlining the preferred PM lead for Turnbull, of course, according to it editorial policy.

  22. C.L.

    That’s 36 straight Newspoll losses for Turnbull.

  23. johanna

    About to hit the pit, just letting people know why I’m not here when the deluge falls, not that I haven’t got the guts and so on.

    I’ll be back. See you then, hey stimpy/

  24. Oh come on

    His posture is hunched over and looks weak. It’s very likely that’s because he’s tall and lanky, but it’s not a great look.

    I agree, he doesn’t look and sound like a politician. Which is a good thing if politicians are out of style. Rees-Mogg doesn’t try to hide the fact he was clearly born with a silver spoon in his mouth. While he doesn’t do the condescending ‘man of the people’ shtick, he respects his constituents – he’s authentic. He is honest and straightforward to a fault. He has an excellent command of language; unflappable, always measured and considered – he has gravitas. He is infinitely courteous to those who disagree with him. He is witty and has quirky, charming mannerisms and turns of phrase which are clearly part of his character. He’s not trying to be something he isn’t. I think a majority of the public could easily come to regard him with affection.

  25. JC

    Went from overwhelmingly GOP to dead even.

    How are they turned around? Hard to see how it’s possible over the next few years. The problem in the US is a little different to here in one sense. A lot of the kids end up with large debts they have to pay off for a pretty unattractive college degree. They can’t pay it off. So, someone like Bernie bro comes along promises them some debt forgiveness and they’re off voting for Bernie bro. You can walk out of college and university with 300k in debt. Hard to solve this problem.

  26. JC

    He is infinitely courteous to those who disagree with him.

    That’s a problem right there 🙂

  27. JC

    About to hit the pit, just letting people know why I’m not here when the deluge falls, not that I haven’t got the guts and so on.

    Seriously, I wonder if it was checked for Cryptorchidism* when it came out. It talks like a bloke.

    *un-descended knackers.

  28. Oh come on

    The Democrats didn’t deliberately lose the Vietnam War?

    South Vietnam was not “gifted to Ho Chi Minh”. Ho died in 1969, for starters. By the time Congress cut Saigon off, the South Vietnamese regime was pretty rotten and it isn’t at all clear that re-arming the ARVN at that late stage would have changed the outcome of the war. Perhaps it could have been delayed a bit.

  29. C.L.

    Does Rees-Mogg covet the job?
    I can’t for the life of me understand why he isn’t already prime minister.
    He is a generational, stand-out personage, in my estimation.

  30. JC

    And Alabama has capital punishment.

    Illegal Immigrant BEHEADS 13-Year-Old Special Needs Girl, Murders Grandmother, Officials Say

    Alabama law enforcement officials say that an illegal immigrant and an immigrant in the United States on a green card are responsible for the brutal murders of a grandmother and her 13-year-old special needs granddaughter in what investigators say is violence related to Mexican drug cartels.

  31. Oh come on

    He is infinitely courteous to those who disagree with him.

    That’s a problem right there 🙂

    Perhaps I should have said disarmingly courteous. He is preternaturally calm under fire. Anyone who gets shouty or snarky with him ends up making themselves look bad.

  32. JC

    He is infinitely courteous to those who disagree with him.

    I think his dad had a column for the Pink Times or even ran it. He wrote a economics/looking into the future book in the 90s. Fuck it was depressing. It didn’t turn out because he was predicting the debt bomb would have morphed into hyper-inflation and we would end up eating ourselves (well not quite) Shit it was depressing..

  33. C.L.

    South Vietnam was not “gifted to Ho Chi Minh”.

    Thanks for the ABC-style “fact check,” OCO.
    I wasn’t being literal, obviously.
    The Vietnam War was substantially won by Nixon and then deliberately lost by the Democrats. The rottenness of the southern regime was nothing new but, in any case, is not relevant to judging the morality of abandoning it in favour of the communist aggressors. If anything, its instability (to say nothing of the treasure and blood expended theretofore) should have brought forth renewed support from the United States.

    But your original assertion was that the Democrats seemed – now – to be communistic.
    That’s not exactly a new development to anyone who has been paying attention.

  34. JC

    He wrote three books. I was referring to the Great Reckoning. You’d call the hotline after reading that.

    He co-authored, with James Dale Davidson, three books: The Sovereign Individual, The Great Reckoning, and Blood in the Streets

  35. Cpt Seahawks

    I know soccer is illegal in Australia but I’m barracking for Croatia.

  36. Oh come on

    Sorry but you did say that Saigon was gifted to Ho Chi Minh. This is not correct, for the reasons you yourself outlined. Yes, the southern regime had been rotten for a while, but it had been fortified by the presence of large scale US ground forces. When these were withdrawn under Nixon’s Vietnamization policy, the rotten edifice had to stand on its own. It couldn’t. The only way that the southern regime could have been buttressed was if the US sent its forces back in, which was never going to happen.

    I do agree that Congress treated the south extremely shabbily from 1974 until the fall of Saigon, but it’s wrong to say this was because the Dems were a bunch of communists – perhaps some were but most weren’t. They had bought into the notion spearheaded in large part by the media that the war was unwinnable. They weren’t demanding profits be banned, their country’s borders dissolved, nor did they celebrate the anniversary of Marx’s birthday. The young, openly hard-left Dems currently in the ascendency do all this and more.

  37. Mark A

    Oh come on
    #2764313, posted on July 16, 2018 at 1:24 am
    They weren’t demanding profits be banned, their country’s borders dissolved, nor did they celebrate the anniversary of Marx’s birthday. The young, openly hard-left Dems currently in the ascendency do all this and more.

    The time wasn’t ripe then to do it openly, it is now.

  38. BorisG

    Watching World Cup final and Wimbledon. A bit surreal to see Putin and Macron at the football final and May and prince William at the Wimbledon final at the same time.

    Djokovic wins his 4th Wimbledon. He is back which is great news.

  39. Robber Baron

    Is there a world cup thread?

    Croats have had a big hand in all 3 goals thus far. It is a pity they gifted the Frogs two of them.

    It’s a good match.

  40. BorisG

    They weren’t demanding profits be banned, their country’s borders dissolved, nor did they celebrate the anniversary of Marx’s birthday. The young, openly hard-left Dems currently in the ascendency do all this and more.

    And not just young. Sanders is not very young. But perhaps this is he result of the failure of the centrist elite, which is despised by Both right and left. Hence in 2016 Both sanders and trump were popular but clinton and bush were not.

    To suggest that democrats of the 60s such as Kennedy and Johnson were communists is preposterous.

  41. BorisG

    Pitch invasion in Moscow. Didn’t expect it to happen in front of Putin.

  42. BorisG

    France are the champions.

  43. stackja

    Chinese developer promising residency, access to politicians and welfare to prospective Asian buyers
    FIONA WINGETT, Associate Editor — Investigations, The Daily Telegraph
    July 16, 2018 12:06am
    Subscriber only

    A CHINESE developer is promising Asian investors they will also get a “permanent resident visa in as little as six months” if they buy into a Hunter Valley land deal.

    Profit Palace Group also promises “quick” connections to powerful politicians and even access to Australia’s “social welfare benefits”.

    But a Daily Telegraph investigation can today reveal how the company’s pledge to help wealthy Chinese families “easily acquire” a “high-quality lifestyle” is built on lies — even listing on its website “co-operating” lawyers and local politicians who have nothing to do with the project.

    And now the state government will this morning demand a “high-level briefing”.

    The 223-lot estate in the sleepy town of Millfield has outraged locals, who warn it could double the population and wipe out their rural community if it goes ahead.

    A translation of the Profit Palace website reveals how it links “owning 750sqm” of land in its estate with helping buyers gain access to a 132A visa — a special type of entry reserved for “high-calibre” business people.

    “After being granted this visa, the applicant and their family members can enjoy the social welfare benefits that Australian citizens are entitled to,” boasts the company, headed by a Jiang “James” Xiao.

  44. stackja

    Women say shopping and a holiday in the sun beat sex if asked to choose, survey shows
    PADRAIC FLANAGAN, The Daily Telegraph
    July 16, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    THE three little words women most want to hear are not “I love you” but “It’s on sale”.

    A new survey has found women would rather have a shopping spree, or a holiday in the sunshine, than sex.

    Asked if they would rather give up shopping or sex, 59 per cent of those women surveyed chose sex, with just 41 per cent saying they could do without their retail therapy.

    And when it came to a choice of sex or holidays, a huge 75 per cent put sex second­ behind taking a break.

    But the results of an annual British survey also show that a clear majority of women in their 40s and 50s are happier with their love lives now than they were in their 20s.

    The findings also reveal that fewer than one in 10 women have been love rats, with the vast majority also believing their partner has never cheated on them.

    Only 6 per cent of women in long-term relationships said they had cheated while 86 per cent believed their other half had always been faithful.

  45. Tom

    Johannes Leak on Their ABC’s Jon Faine and chairman Justin Milne (goes with a facile piece of fan worship by Paywallian leftoid Stephen Brooke, whose Media Diary column has still not broken a single story).

  46. Tel

    Lot of global warming out there this morning.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    Johannes Leak on Their ABC’s Jon Faine

    LOL!
    That would be the same John Faine who was described by the marching ABCers only yesterday as:

    Jon Faine, outstanding ABC Melbourne Radio presenter

    Outstanding like dog balls?

  48. Elle

    Thanks Tom.
    Geez, I miss Bill Leak. 😔

  49. Top Ender

    Johannes Leak on Their ABC’s Jon Faine

    Johannes is getting better all the time.

    Must take a rare degree of talent to a) grasp the story b) come up with a new angle on it, and c) be able to draw both of these into a cartoon.

  50. Rae

    Rae #2764150, posted on July 15, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    Brilliant.

    Driving up, or down, through Snowdonia National Park those planes come from nowhere to roar over the top of you at very low altitude.

    Say hello folks to Cassie from Sydney.

    Lol. No.

  51. calli

    Hard to pick between the Ramirizeseses, Tom, but I’ll go the second for the humour/irony quotient.

  52. Top Ender

    This is the best commercial I have ever seen.

    Wow! Exploding leftie heads everywhere if seen in the West.

  53. duncanm

    record cold across NSW this morning – you won’t hear about it.

  54. RobK

    The best commercial I’ve ever seen.
    My wife says: ” I it probably only works on top-loaders.”

  55. Dave in Marybrook

    Three dead in outer Perth suburb-
    the alleged murderer presented to a highway servo to turn himself in.
    Presumably the servo is surrounded by CCTV.
    But no pictures.
    I wonder why.

  56. C.L.

    To suggest that democrats of the 60s such as Kennedy and Johnson were communists is preposterous.

    Right. Which is why nobody has made that argument.

    They weren’t demanding profits be banned, their country’s borders dissolved, nor did they celebrate the anniversary of Marx’s birthday.

    These are not, in fact, Democrat Party policies. So that’s not correct. They are policy preferences of the Democrat Party mob.
    In the early 1970s, the Democrats proper – the party leadership – deliberately lost the Vietnam War in order to give the communist bloc an epochal victory and troll-shame the GOP, whose former leader, Nixon, successfully built the superstructure of sustained victory.
    As I said, the communistic tendencies of the party are now new. At leadership and/or mob levels, they have been obvious for nearly 50 years.

  57. C.L.

    ABC Online and its expert: giving the most impoverished and struggling women in the world sewing machines and goats is sexist. They should be given arts degrees or something. The goal is to make them like Western women – which, I would have thought, is racist and white supremacist.

  58. mh

    Fisky
    #2764268, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:53 pm
    Rees-Mogg does look very effete. I don’t think he’s a good match for Corbyn. The Tories need someone like Boris, but he has already shown he’s not up to the job.

    Boris is now doing a weekly column for the UK Daily Telegraph. He just doesn’t want to reach the top and really push himself. That’s unfortunate.

  59. Rabz

    Message to that batshit crazy old drunk from Queanbeyan – you ever post another fucking comment on this blog making reference to my personal life, you utterly vile filthy old piece of shit and I will post a very detailed comment here setting out exactly how you behaved the last time I had the misfortune to encounter you – you rotten mangy old skank.

    By the way, two more Sydney cats now know about that incident, you monstrous old slag. It’s about time all the Melbourne cats were informed.

    Enough, you fucking hideous piece of shit.

  60. Dave in Marybrook

    Hmmm police are still asking for anyone with information about the triple homicide in NE Perth to come forward.
    But ABC news is unforthcoming with any names or faces to prompt memories.

  61. mh

    Canberra got down to minus 7.3. Currently minus 4.1

    I do feel for the public servants. But then again, it will still be the hottest year on record.

  62. calli

    Can someone send some Glowball Warmening my way? Second frost in a row! The horror.

  63. Baldrick

    Nice to see you still around Rabz.

  64. calli

    Elon Musk’s latest Twitter outburst is so classy it has flattened the Spaminator.

    This is the guy who’s saving SA. Why our governments would want anything to do with the carpetbagging creep beggars belief.

  65. Baldrick

    Elon Musk critiques Thai cave rescue.

    Calls one of the heroic British divers, who criticicised his publicity stunt submarine, a ‘pedo’.

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well that escalated quickly.

  67. calli

    Rabz has been lurking behind the aspidistras in the conservatory, Balders. Bless him.

  68. Tel

    … and I will post a very detailed comment here setting out exactly how you behaved the last time I had the misfortune to encounter you …

    For the love of humanity sir, please dispatch us quickly and cleanly.

  69. mh

    Tom
    #2764328, posted on July 16, 2018 at 4:14 am
    A.F. Branco 2015 flashback.

    Lol

  70. Geriatric Mayfly

    Can someone send some Glowball Warmening my way?

    No chance. It’s all up there in Greenland melting that iceberg and in a good cause. The ABC/SBS collective will have thousands of frames of its deterioration to juxtapose with belching chimneys and cooling tower vapours, on a permanent loop.

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Elon Musk’s latest Twitter outburst is so classy it has flattened the Spaminator.

    He looks to be on a downward arc. The tweet might be forgiven by the Left but last month he may’ve committed the ultimate heresy.

    Liberal Meltdown: Furious Libs Outraged After Elon Musk Revealed As One Of Top Republican PAC Donors

    All in all a bad week for Mr Musk.

  72. Tel

    They should be given arts degrees or something. The goal is to make them like Western women – which, I would have thought, is racist and white supremacist.

    I think that trying to instill radical communist feminism into third worlders who actually HAVE TO work for a living is a guaranteed non-starter. It’s only a useful theory for protected middle-class first world women.

  73. Baldrick

    Naturally it would seem turbulent, from the hard Left-

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    ‘Look beyond Trump’: How to be friends with America in these turbulent times

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    South Sudanese leader Ring Mayar attacks media over youth crime

    The Australian
    12:00AM July 16, 2018
    Richard Ferguson
    Reporter
    Melbourne
    @RichAFerguson

    Melbourne’s Airbnb owners and media are partly to blame for the wave of youth crime linked to ­African-Australian youths, the city’s leading South Sudanese figure says.

    Ring Mayar became chairman of the South Sudanese Community Association of Victoria in May, the peak body in the state, and works on the frontlines trying to get young kids away from crime.

    Youths of African appearance have been involved in a series of parties held at short-term rental properties over the past few months that saw properties trashed, neighbours assaulted and police targeted.

    But Mr Mayar said the owners of “Airbnb party houses” had to take “some of the burden” for parties that had gone out of control.

    “The responsibility does not fall squarely on those young people. Even the owners of those houses share their burden as well,” he said.

    “What are the contracts in place, if I may ask the house owners, and how are they leasing these houses to the young people who may come with unruly behaviour?

    “Are they aware that when they rent houses to those kids, and there are so many of them, that there’ll be problems?”

    When Mr Mayar took over the SSCAV he promised a fresh ­approach to youth crime. He said the community acknowledged it had a problem with youth offending.

    His group is trying to tackle the problem through education programs on Australia’s legal system, and by directly working with offenders when they get out of juvenile detention.

    “We have been conducting seminars spreading awareness and educating young people about laws … we have also managed to partner with Victoria Police and other nonprofits to run programs for young people.”

    But the state appears trapped in a loop of violence. In the past week alone, three young men have been bashed and their ­attackers described as youths of African appearance by police.

    Mr Mayar said his community did not have a “youth gang problem”.

    From the Oz.

  75. Baldrick

    South Sudanese leader Ring Mayar attacks media over youth crime
    Mr Mayar said his community did not have a “youth gang problem”.

    Well there’s ya problem, right there.

  76. Old School Conservative

    Mr Mayar said his community did not have a “youth gang problem”.

    Just a problem with packs of lone wolves.

  77. calli

    Musk appears to have a bad case of barbwire bum. 😄

  78. 132andBush

    Musk coming across as someone whos never been told “no”.

  79. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mr Mayar said his community did not have a “youth gang problem”.

    Of course his community doesn’t have a problem with youth gangs. The louts go after whitey who has much more in the way of baubles to steal, and who also seems much more malleable when the front door is kicked in and the weapons wielded.

  80. Tel

    “The responsibility does not fall squarely on those young people. Even the owners of those houses share their burden as well,” he said.

    There’s your problem.

    Yes the responsibility for bad behaviour does fall exactly on the people who behave badly. No one else.

  81. Crossie

    record cold across NSW this morning – you won’t hear about it.

    What an inconvenient truth?

    All Channel 7 wants to talk about it that it will be 18 top today.

  82. Crossie

    We rarely get frost in our back yard as it’s surrounded by trees but yesterday and today we had white grass in back and front yards.

  83. Welp, I’ll stop defending Musk until he has a nap.

    Nope Elron, do not speak about good men like that.

    Nope nope nope.

  84. It doesn’t matter what “Americans” think about the economy. The only issue that really determines elections is identity politics, and the palpable hatred that different voter blocs have toward each other.

    Reaction 1. Well, you’re wrong, look at election history. The data bears this out.

    Reaction 2. Shit, you’re right, and this is truly depressing. People cannot get away from their evolutionary psychology despite their current capabilities and ability to reason.

  85. Fisky
    #2764260, posted on July 15, 2018 at 11:47 pm
    Also, weirdo bow-tie wearing “conservatives” need to shut up about the s0-called “constitution”. There is no “constitution”. No one wants to follow it. If you can use it to defend your gang, then great, if not then chuck it. I’m sorry, but this is not Boomer country anymore, we have moved into a totally different era which is a free-for-all. And if right-wingers don’t play by the new rules, they lose.

    Aha, this is precisely why they care though.

    A libertarian “hardline” is leaving people alone. The problem is that constitutional conservatives are framed as some kind of nutters, but they are hand in hand with libertarians and just want the government to follow the law as written.

    If the hippies were for real, they’d be down with us. Instead, they make those awful NYC PP ads and protest on left wing university campuses for the joint not being left wing and low IQ enough.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Are they aware that when they rent houses to those kids, and there are so many of them, that there’ll be problems?”

    And if they refuse to rent their houses to “these kids” there will be screams of “wacist” you could hear on Mars.

  87. Corbyn is running on a QE for welfare policy for instance. In other words he wants to introduce hyperinflation. He has shown desire to take the homes owned by foreigners and tip in welfare recipients. The polls are neck and neck over there. May could be the cause, but Corbyn doesn’t get much shit about his communism.

    Oh dear god. The poor git doesn’t understand how it just belts the poor.

    It can ruin a lot of banks but if they survive, they make a stupendous amount of money.

    You know, he could get a heap of cynical middle-class votes if they understand how they can benefit from hyperinflation if they are heavily indebted.

  88. Rafe Champion

    A nice liberty quote in case you missed it.

    Liberty not only means that the individual has both the opportunity and the burden of choice; it also means that he must bear the consequences…Liberty and responsibility are inseparable.

    — Friedrich von Hayek

  89. areff

    Perth triple homicide: illuminating pictures here

  90. Farmer Gez

    Frosts = drought. Our record of consecutive frosts was set in 1982.
    It’ll get plenty warm in Spring if these large highs continue to dominate.

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    People cannot get away from their evolutionary psychology despite their current capabilities and ability to reason.

    Of course they can.
    I am more tolerant towards sane people then anyone I know.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    At the rate Elon Musk is melting down, Teslas are going to be collectors items by the end of the week.

  93. Chris

    Perth triple homicide: illuminating pictures here

    Sorry, that the neighbours include cuzzy bros and noongars is not much illumination.
    That suburb is ‘battlers and ordinary people’ not a ghetto.

  94. H B Bear

    At the rate Elon Musk is melting down, Teslas are going to be collectors items by the end of the week.

    Forget shorting Tesla. Short Musk.

  95. Chris

    I sometimes think we need some well-prepared disinformation campaigns.

    For instance, a Rapid Reaction Team formed in Melbourne with helicopters, cameras, big friendly doggies and a strong protective instinct that includes a willingness to go the extra mile over ordinary bouncers, could work with Landlord Insurance to make Melbourne a warmer, more inclusive town for those who cannot rely on the Police for protection.
    And leaking their advertising campaign before converting the prospectus to teeth on the ground might either reduce the misbehaviour that creates demand OR get the gang who wear blue and white colours looking after their turf a bit better!

  96. min

    Hot weather forecast in the next 3 months that seems to fit in with what Farmer Gez said .

  97. Stimpson J. Cat

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    Congratulations to France, who played extraordinary soccer, on winning the 2018 World Cup. Additionally, congratulations to President Putin and Russia for putting on a truly great World Cup Tournament — one of the best ever!

  98. Mallee Miss

    What are the contracts in place, if I may ask the house owners, and how are they leasing these houses to the young people who may come with unruly behaviour?
    “Are they aware that when they rent houses to those kids, and there are so many of them, that there’ll be problems?”

    I think somebody needs to tell him that the kids don’t tell Airbnb when arranging the rental that 20 plus kids will be renting the place with the express aim of trashing it.

    I am getting really tired of being told that bad behaviour from certain ethic/religious groups is the fault of everybody but themselves. Personal responsibility seems to be a thing of the past. And re educating youth about the legal system, they seem to be across the issues of bail and children’s court ok – just not so clear on the basics such as don’t kill or assault other people, and don’t steal and/or trash other people’s property.

    I would be interested to see if there has been a run on citizenship applications by the youth of this ethnic group, given Dutton’s moves to deport violent individuals who have no respect for Australia’s laws.

  99. Baldrick

    Journalism 2018-

    HuffPost ✔ @HuffPost
    A tape might exist of Trump doing something in an elevator, though exactly where that somewhere is and what that something might be, no one in media can say. That’s because no one in media seems to have seen the tape — or is even confident it exists. huffp.st/ApY8sCd

  100. Leigh Lowe

    Perth triple homicide: illuminating pictures here

    Going to be a tad awkward if the perp is drawn from the same cohort that the Commissioner issued a grovelling apology to last week.
    Let’s see.
    The lack of descriptors of the perp while he was still on the loose was a bit of a worry.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    Musk is an anagram of Skum.

  102. Old School Conservative

    I think somebody needs to tell him that the kids don’t tell Airbnb when arranging the rental that 20 plus kids will be renting the place with the express aim of trashing it.

    He knows.

  103. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Going to be a tad awkward if the perp is drawn from the same cohort that the Commissioner issued a grovelling apology to last week

    That unworthy thought had crossed my mind, ever since the “Daily Mail” ran the pictures.

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Musk seems to have the same gossamer thin skin a delusions of omnipotent deity that Kelvin Rudd has.

  105. Tom

    Rabz, I really miss your commentary here.

  106. stackja

    Jump in Vic race discrimination complaints
    Australian Associated Press
    an hour ago

    A surge in race discrimination complaints in Victoria is being blamed on inflammatory comments by politicians and media coverage.

    Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission figures show race-related complaints are up by 34 per cent and formally-lodged complaints up 76 per cent year-on-year.

    Reports alleging discrimination on the basis on race to the commission’s public enquiry line rose from 470 in the 2016/17 financial year to 630 in 2017/18.

    Formally-lodge complaints jumped from 77 to 136 over the same period.

    “This sudden jump in race-related discrimination reports should be a wake-up call for politicians who have made racially divisive statements,” commissioner Kristen Hilton said in a statement on Monday.

    “Linking skin colour and crime cause more problems than it solves.”

    A six-month breakdown of race complaints revealed 75 were made in the first half of 2018, compared to 33 over the same period in 2017.

    It follows months of political and media controversy over so-called “African gangs” in Melbourne.

    Federal Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton was criticised in January for claiming people were afraid to go out for dinner in Melbourne because of African gang violence.

  107. Farmer Gez

    Formally-lodge complaints jumped from 77 to 136 over the same period

    Out of five million Victorians that’s 0.0027%. Something to crow about really.

  108. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hah. Just did a speed read of yesterday’s thread, and today’s so far. I am sure I missed quite a bit. But it was fun anyway. Dr. BG nails it perfectly:

    I guess we’re all different.

    How boring would it be if we were all the same here, as on leftie threads, furiously agreeing with each other on matters both small and personal and large and political?

    For what it’s worth, here’s my few cents worth:

    Marriage is fantastic when you marry the right person. Cassie calls him Hairy Beare and I’m proud to call him mine. Yes, Dr. BG, he is an excellent foot warmer in bed these glowbally-warmed nights. As I said, he is also very philosophical about lost ear-rings, and much else to do with me and mine.

    A seven-to-one ratio in favour of males is no place for a girl of any age to seek another life partner. Move to a mining camp. Broaden your expectations and horizons.

    Fishnets are strictly for cabaret nights, Elle. Very try-hard on Sunday morning TV. They should not be confused with pleasantly patterned stockings with boots, fine for a winter’s morning.

    And talking of boots, I want a pair a friend wore to our farewell luncheon for eight couples yesterday – bright scarlet-red classic very high but slim heels, with a built-in red sock extension up to the ankle, forming the bootee. So easy to slip on, she says. Worn with black stockings, a short black bias-cut flared skirt-dress in fine wool with long-sleeves, topped with a Burberry short box-jacket, and all made gorgeous by a bespoke Faberge necklace and bracelet. She is tall and elegant, like Melania, but it is a look many women could wear well.

    It’s not a look I’ll pack for though. Not suitable for safaris in Africa or the Arctic. 🙂

  109. stackja

    Farmer Gez
    #2764439, posted on July 16, 2018 at 10:03 am
    Formally-lodge complaints jumped from 77 to 136 over the same period

    Out of five million Victorians that’s 0.0027%. Something to crow about really.

    Keeps Kristen Hilton in her job.

  110. C.L.

    Wow. I hope the British diver sues Musk for millions.
    Honestly, what a psycho creep. The only man on earth angry the boys were all rescued.

  111. stackja

    Man, 32, dies in suspected high speed bike race
    Ed Gardiner, Herald Sun
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    A MOTORCYCLIST has died after he was flung from his bike and over a Bolte Bridge ramp during a suspected street race in Port Melbourne last night.

    The 32-year-old was seen riding alongside another motorbike at high speed on the Bolte Bridge about 10pm last night.

  112. A seven-to-one ratio in favour of males is no place for a girl of any age to seek another life partner. Move to a mining camp. Broaden your expectations and horizons.

    Move out of mining camps men.

    Women always invade male spaces, also; it’s a trap.

    Go to an oil rig, acquire currency, enjoy the decline.

  113. stackja

    Victoria’s worst postcodes for long-term welfare revealed
    Anthony Galloway, federal political reporter, Herald Sun
    10 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    THE number of Victorians stuck on long-term welfare has soared by more than 35,000 in five years, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

    New figures, obtained by the Herald Sun, reveal 184,897 people in Victoria have been on Newstart, Youth Allowance or the Disability Support Pension for more than five years.

    St Albans, Kealba, Sunshine, Craigieburn and Werribee top the list for long-term welfare in Victoria, which has risen by a quarter in five years.

  114. The DSP is generally permanent. The shocking stat for the DSP is the total number vs the working population.

  115. stackja

    Grease-laden lumps of fat are clogging sewer systems and causing damage
    Laura Armitage, Lilydale & Yarra Valley Leader
    July 16, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    GREASY lumps of fat and oil — known as fatbergs — are blocking sewerage systems across the Yarra Ranges.

    Solidified fatty liquids stuck to wet wipes and tree roots are causing headaches for Yarra Valley Water, which has spent more than $225,000 stopping the grease-laden lumps from clogging the system.

  116. stackja

    Premier set to release abortion report
    Sarah Vogler, The Courier-Mail
    July 16, 2018 7:20am
    Subscriber only

    PREMIER Annastacia Palaszczuk is set to today release the Queensland Law Reform Commission’s report into decriminalising abortion in Queensland.

    It comes as her Government prepares to introduce new laws next month to remove the procedure from the criminal code.

    The Courier-Mail understands Ms Palaszczuk will release the QLRC’s report as well as the Government’s response to it following today’s Cabinet meeting.

    The new laws will be introduced in August and are expected to come back to the house for debate in October, allowing them to be passed before the end of the year.

    The legislation will decriminalise abortion and allow for new safe access zones around clinics where abortions are being performed to stop patients from harassed.

    Queensland and NSW are the only two states where abortion remains a crime unless a woman’s life or mental health is at risk.

    Labor MPs will be given a conscience vote on the issue but LNP Leader Deb Frecklington is yet to say if her MPs will given the same.

    She has said she wanted to see the legislation first before any decision is made.

    The LNP party room was offered conscience vote on the issue last year after former Independent MP Rob Pyne introduced his own abortion decriminalisation bill.

    But MPs decided they could not support the legislation as it stood at the time.

  117. stackja

    Behind the scenes: What’s going on between Putin and Trump behind closed Helsinki doors?
    Jamie Seidel, News Corp Australia Network
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    THE meeting will be in secret. Russian President Vladimir Putin will be alone with US President Donald Trump. In such a high-level summit, there’s usually an army of aides furiously taking notes, supplying details and answering questions. Then there are the translators.

    But not this time.

    Instead, two of the world’s most powerful men will be winging it.

    Trump is a former reality-TV star and property mogul who boats he is a master of ‘the art of the deal’. Putin is a former KGB spymaster trained to manipulate, coerce and deceive.

    A one-on-one may suit Trump’s off-the-cuff style. And it means both leaders are almost guaranteed to walk out proclaiming success. But, as the recent summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un revealed, it offers nothing in accountability.

  118. C.L.

    The gay lobby, lesbians and betas rush to poison the minds of boys …
    In The Guardian: Authors steer boys from toxic masculinity with gentler heroes.

    Children’s writer Ben Brooks is on a mission to redefine masculinity for young boys. “I want to help boys become better, happier men and open up a debate about what we think of as masculinity. I want to question the idea that it’s weak to be emotionally open, to demonstrate that it’s fine for men to be vulnerable and kind, and to recognise the courage it takes to be different.”

    Young adult fiction author Brendan Kiely is on a similar quest. “A definition of masculinity that emerges from a culture which silences, shames and gaslights women is dangerous – it harms women and robs boys of the potential to be better human beings. Seeing Trump in all his ugliness has acted like a wake-up call to male authors. We need to teach boys that they do not need to perform outdated gender norms to look like men.”

    A wave of newly released children’s fiction, typically written by men, is re-examining what it means to be a masculine modern hero in the era of Trump – and sales figures suggest the current generation of boys is lapping it up. Stories for Boys Who Dare To Be Different, Brooks’s illustrated compendium about inspirational boys throughout history who have triumphed in the face of adversity and prejudice, topped children’s bestseller lists when it was published in April. Packed with a “broad array” of positive male role models including Alan Turing, Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi, the book was written, Brooks says, to offer boys at primary school “an antidote to toxic masculinity”.

    So we already have one homosexual and one terrorist.

    Author and illustrator Ed Vere touches on similar themes in his picture book for three-to-seven year-olds, How to be a Lion, released last month. It stars Leonard, a male lion who makes friends (and poetry) with a duck, then bravely refuses to eat her when the other, more fierce male lions pressure him to. “A strong line running through the book, and demonstrated by Leonard, is to have the courage to think for yourself.

    And one vegetarian lion.

    Like Kiely, Vere was inspired to write his book while on a US book tour last summer. “Trump’s bullying, belligerent, toxic voice was getting all the attention in the media. I felt I needed to do everything I could to counter his narrative and his voice.”

    He didn’t feel obliged to do this when Bill Clinton was sexually abusing his staff.

  119. stackja

    Absolute croc-head nearly makes a meal out of himself at notorious croc-infested Cahills Crossing
    JUDITH AISTHORPE, NT News
    July 16, 2018 12:00am

    THE LURE of a barra was too much for this bloke, who stood in the middle of Cahills Crossing to flick his line.
    Graffiti artist Kaff-Eine Paints, took her parents out to experience the wonders of Kakadu and Cahills Crossing at the start of the month.

    A man risks his life for a fish on Cahills Crossing, where two crocs lurked just metres away
    Picture: Kaff-Eine Paints linky

  120. stackja

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2764456, posted on July 16, 2018 at 10:20 am

    BBC reported multicultural celebration.

  121. stackja

    Large fire trucks unable to fight fires on Cavenagh St while new shade structure is installed
    PHILLIPPA BUTT, NT News
    July 15, 2018 1:29pm
    Subscriber only

    LARGE fire trucks will be unable to fight fires on Cavenagh St while the new shade structure is installed.

    The revelation comes just weeks after the Darwin RSL, which was based on Cavenagh St, burnt down in a non-suspicious fire.

    In a submission to Darwin Council, the NT Fire and Rescue Service said the $2.7 million, 50m shade structure would impede firefighting.

  122. C.L.

    Three-times married Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk set to announce decriminalisation of abortion today. Also expected to legislate “safe space” around abortion mills. Because the safety of human beings is the number one priority of the abortion industry.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    stackja

    #2764451, posted on July 16, 2018 at 10:13 am

    Grease-laden lumps of fat are clogging sewer systems and causing damage
    Laura Armitage, Lilydale & Yarra Valley Leader
    July 16, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    GREASY lumps of fat and oil — known as fatbergs — are blocking sewerage systems across the Yarra Ranges.

    Really?
    The Hippie Hillbillies of the Dandenongs have been running campaigns forever to “stop MacDonalds”. You know, trying to impose their own minority beliefs on the rest of the community.
    They were fuming when VCAT rolled them on this one and have been plotting revenge ever since. What is the bet that their forensic analysis reveals that the source of the fat blockages is … wait for it … Maccas!

  124. Three men married Pony Gal?

    Wow.

    I can imagine how the third marriage started.

    A wild cuck appears.

  125. Leigh Lowe

    In a submission to Darwin Council, the NT Fire and Rescue Service said the $2.7 million, 50m shade structure would impede firefighting.

    WTF?
    50 metres of “shade structure” costing $2.7m?
    Fucking hell, they could bring in five full grown trees for no more than $100,000 – $200,000.

  126. Zyconoclast

    Parents are rushing to enrol their children in a revolutionary new state school that will scrap year levels, school bells and the word ‘classroom’.
    Lindfield Learning Village won’t be the kind of school most adults recognise. Teaching will happen around ‘waterholes’ or ‘campfires’. Students will take responsibility for their own learning. And high schoolers will mentor kindy kids.

    The new, public kindergarten to year 12 school on the old University of Technology site at Ku-ring-gai will open in term one next year and take the first 350 students of what will eventually be a cohort of 2000.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rush-to-enrol-in-lindfield-learning-revolution-20180706-p4zq0f.html

  127. Parents are rushing to enrol their children in a revolutionary new state school that will scrap year levels, school bells and the word ‘classroom’.

    That’s a good thing.

    Sir Ken Robinson makes an entertaining and profoundly moving case for creating an education system that nurtures (rather than undermines) creativity.

  128. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Vibrant French multicultural celebrations in Marseilles.

    The fall of western civilisation and the rise of the new dark age.

  129. C.L.

    Three-times married Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk set to announce decriminalisation of ab0rti-n today. Also expected to legislate “safe space” around abort1on mills. Because the safety of human beings is the number one priority of the ab-rt1on industry.

  130. Gab

    Excellent! Nice to see you, Rabz.

  131. Helen

    An artist’s impression of the vine shade structure being built over Cavenagh Street in Darwin. Picture: Supplied

    What is wrong with trees FFS?

  132. Top Ender

    a revolutionary new state school that will scrap year levels, school bells and the word ‘classroom’

    That was tried a long time ago, with the Summerhill school model.

    From memory,, one pupil did not learn to read until he was around 15, and he became interested in something – mechanics? – that needed reading. Held up as the model school, which of course is fine if you are a private fee-paying parent who likes it.

    The state system taxpayers expect a bit more bang for their buck. (Not that they get it, much, now.)

  133. Top Ender
    #2764536, posted on July 16, 2018 at 11:36 am
    a revolutionary new state school that will scrap year levels, school bells and the word ‘classroom’

    That was tried a long time ago, with the Summerhill school model.

    From memory,, one pupil did not learn to read until he was around 15, and he became interested in something – mechanics? – that needed reading. Held up as the model school, which of course is fine if you are a private fee-paying parent who likes it.

    The state system taxpayers expect a bit more bang for their buck. (Not that they get it, much, now.)

    The problem is public education was possibly always a snow job.

    Parents are the most important factor in child literacy.

    Conventional schooling is really bizarre in the modern world. We’re still prepping people for a classical Oxbridge education, or factory work.

    Does anyone who homeschools their children divide them up into grades based on age or discourage collaborative work? We don’t do it in the real world but we do it all through formal education. Then we whine about kids that can’t behave like adults when they get to work.

    Taking the worst possible example of alt. schooling is pretty unfair. The worst public schools are more violent and stupid than low-security prisons; and no, I’m not being hyperbolic.

  134. Death Giraffe

    Does anyone who homeschools their children divide them up into grades based on age or discourage collaborative work? We don’t do it in the real world but we do it all through formal education. Then we whine about kids that can’t behave like adults when they get to work.

    ..
    You are half right.
    But.
    Grades are important.
    We (rather the clever people a hundred and fifty years ago did) built up a sequence of studies based on developmentally when the vast majority of youngsters are ready to learn a concept or skill. And in the order required.
    This was no easy task.
    The problem with throwing out classes and grades is this:
    It might not be a great way to learn, but it is the best one we know for teaching large numbers of children.
    Purely from an efficiency point of view.
    You may be able to self- direct your learning with minimal intervention from a teacher and get a better result.
    Believe me. Most people can’t.
    With a class of twenty five for an hour lesson I have less than three minutes per student.
    You cannot do otherwise than deliver a series of lessons that generally cater to an average student an efficiently mass teach.
    Extend it out over time to whole school education over many years and multiple changes in staffing and even changes of schools, and there is no other practical way to teach masses of students than a series of year levels with attatched curiculum.
    The main problem with classes and year levels is this: due to social pressures schools stopped advancing students who were doing well up the year levels, and they stopped keeping struggling students back t repeat years.
    On top of that, they no longer expel students with criminal levels of disruptive behaviours.

  135. Ragu

    With a class of twenty five for an hour lesson I have less than three minutes per student.

    Some schools run 30min lessons. It’s ok for the smart kids, but some kids need the time to understand a concept. Lessons should mimic real life.

    Generally, it’s three hours between breaks when you’re a fully paid-up member of the workforce. School should be the same

  136. Farmer Gez

    Out of interest Arky. What’s your view on languages for year 7-9 who are at base literacy in English?
    I argue this at council and get told the academic studies all show its value. It’s a bit like religion to them.

  137. Some schools run 30min lessons.

    Jesus christ what a waste of time.

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