The Winston Churchill of our times

‘Our relationship had never been worse – but that changed four hours ago’: Trump hails ‘direct, open, deeply productive’ talks with Putin

US President Donald Trump has come face-to-face with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland

The pair made opening remarks to the media before reaching across to shake hands ahead of private talks

Trump said he hoped for ‘extraordinary relationship’ with Moscow and praised Russia’s hosting of World Cup

Afterwards, Trump admitted ties between nations had ‘never been worse’ but said the situation had changed

Putin said the Cold War was over and that the US and Russia now needed to solve problems together

The above from here with quite a bit more. The Russians are no longer an ideological enemy, but there are many who are.

As for those who must live in the past, this is what we say to them. And there are plenty among the insane, with the deep state comprised of the politicians of the left and their supporters, bureaucrats and public “servants”, virtually the whole of the media, and the academic social sciences left and not just social scientists. This is how they see things.

This instead is the new reality.

Trump winks at Putin during high stakes Helsinki summit…
SLAMS ‘FOOLISHNESS’ OF PAST ADMINISTRATIONS…
Putin declares ‘Cold War is over’…
Body language expert analyzes…
HILLARY TROLLS…
EU urges to protect global order…
China watching…
‘Journalist’ dragged out of press conference by secret service…

Hardly peace in our time but greater safety and a collective focus, hopefully with the Russians, on those who really would do us harm.

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111 Responses to The Winston Churchill of our times

  1. stackja

    Daily Mirror
    From Wikipedia

    Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mirror’s editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s.

    The Mirror’s front page on 4 November 2004, after the re-election of George W. Bush as U.S. President, read “How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?”.

    The Daily Mirror has traditionally backed the Labour Party at general elections.

  2. stackja

    Under then-editor Piers Morgan, the newspaper’s editorial stance opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and ran many front pages critical of the war. It also gave financial support to the 15 February 2003 anti-war protest, paying for a large screen and providing thousands of placards. Morgan re-hired John Pilger, who had been sacked during Robert Maxwell’s ownership of the Mirror titles. Despite such changes, Morgan was unable to halt the paper’s decline in circulation, a decline shared by its direct tabloid rivals The Sun and the Daily Star.[citation needed]

    Morgan was fired from the Mirror on 14 May 2004 after authorising the newspaper’s publication of photographs allegedly showing Iraqi prisoners being abused by British Army soldiers from the Queen’s Lancashire Regiment.[31] Within days the photographs were shown to be fakes. Under the headline “SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED”, the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a “calculated and malicious hoax” and apologised for the publication of the photographs.[32]

  3. stackja

    Donald Trump sides with Russia instead of US intelligence agencies in astonishing news conference
    Ellen Whinnett in Helsinki with staff writers, AFP and AP, News Corp Australia Network
    18 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    VLADIMIR Putin has admitted he wanted Donald Trump to win the US election but says he did not help his campaign, as the presidents of America and Russia came face-to-face at an extraordinary summit in Finland.

    Both men denied Russia had colluded with the Trump presidential campaign in 2016, and Mr Putin reiterated his denials of Moscow’s involvement, despite 12 Russians being charged by the US with election interference just days ago.

    Asked directly if he had wanted Mr Trump to win the election, Mr Putin replied: “Yes, I did.”

    “Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the US-Russia relationship (back) to normal.’’

    Mr Trump wavered when he was asked if he agreed with US intelligence agencies who say the Russians had been responsible for hacking the computers of his rivals the Democrats.

    “I have President Putin — he just said it’s not Russia,’’ Mr Trump said.

    “I will say this — I don’t see any reason why it would be.’’

  4. Rafe Champion

    He grew on the campaign trail and he is growing in the job.

  5. And the usual culprits are already calling the meeting treason. Republican campaign material just keeps rolling in thanks to the Democrats.

  6. Herodotus

    The BBC, a nest of leftists, at least did something that the mini-me ABC would not do. They invited Eric Bolling, a former Fox employee and a conservative pro-Trump one, to comment on all the brouhaha emerging from the usual lineup of media and RINOs – that’s people like McCain and Ryan.
    Bolling set them straight in very direct and concise terms. You might be able to pick up the podcast at BBC Newshour, hopefully they haven’t deleted that segment which I heard at about 5.15am.
    (footnote: Bolling is one of the ex-Fox people as a result of accusations of texting some Weiner-style photos to female colleagues – this may be the game plan: give him a run then tear him down later!)

  7. mh

    Daily Mirror
    From Wikipedia

    Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mirror’s editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s.

    The Mirror was never a supporter of Churchill in any way, shape or form.

    How dare the Daily Mirror.

  8. mh

    We are going to hear plenty from Songbird John McCain about Trump being a traitor, treasonous etc.

    ‘Songbird’ McCain: The evidence – in his own words, his fellow veterans, and his captors

    https://rightedition.com/2017/02/18/songbird-mccain-evidence-words-fellow-veterans-captors/

  9. mh

    In the end, after unfair British indictments, street-level protests, and rude treatment by left-leaning royals, it was the guy who owned the chair whose words should be President Trump’s take away from this UK visit: “You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”

    Having The Mirror as an enemy is a good thing. Having John McCain as an enemy is also a good thing- it means you have stood up to total bullshit.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Under the headline “SORRY.. WE WERE HOAXED”, the Mirror responded that it had fallen victim to a “calculated and malicious hoax” and apologised

    When are they going to do this about Trump? Admit they were hoaxed by the zeitgeist of the left.

    MSM this morning full of condemnation of Trump. No real reasons. Just pure hatred.

  11. Up The Workers!

    At least Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, had the decency and decorum to remain sober to meet President Trump – unlike the bottle-fatigued drunken bum who is the E.E.C.’s soggy embarrassment of a President, and like Hilarity Clinton, has to be held vertical by others, whilst appearing in public.

  12. rickw

    He grew on the campaign trail and he is growing in the job.

    Maybe not that surprising, most probably Trumps long term success has been underpinned by an ability to try, analyse, self reflect, improve.

    The Left must be well and truly crapping themselves, Trumps worked out where the levers are and everyone The Left had been trying to crush knows it.

  13. Mother Lode

    Why would anyone think that Putin would have preferred Trump to Hillary?

    The shambling, twitching, planetoid of lard would have been a push over. Not only would she have remained as cavalier in her attitude to security, he would already have known what the Dimocrats were planning.

    Moreover, he would also have been able to make her jump stumble trip through hoops with
    1) Threats of the dirt he had on her,
    2) details of past dealings, and
    3) compelling her to do things in reality bad for America by threatening to do things that would make her personally look bad to America. She would have had the Chelsea legacy to look after.

  14. max

    They believe in salvation by politics. But salvation by politics has always been a myth.

    What is the illusion? This: “The American people want a major change.”
    And this: “The federal bureaucracy, which possesses tenure on the basis of the Civil Service Acts of 1883 and 1978, can be re-shaped by a new Congress.”

    Significant social change does not begin with national politics. It begins with a worldview that applies socially, beginning with individual minds, and spreading to voluntary associations: families, churches, schools, charitably associations, and so forth. This was Adam Smith’s view in 1776. It was Edmund Burke’s view.

    This is the Western liberal tradition. It is also the Western conservative tradition. It has been abandoned.

    In its place has come the Progressives’ political tradition: salvation by politics. This is the religion of our age, all over the world.
    Until it is abandoned, there will be no significant political change. It will be business as usual: crony capitalism, tenured bureaucracy, deficit spending, central banking, unfunded liabilities, Medicare, Social Security, and the public schools.
    How do we persuade the next generation to abandon all this? First, by pulling our children out of the public schools. Change starts with families.
    https://www.garynorth.com/public/13491.cfm

  15. Roger

    Hardly peace in our time but greater safety and a collective focus, hopefully with the Russians, on those who really would do us harm.

    Chief among them being China.

  16. mh

    EX-CIA & FBI AGENT PHILIP MUDD ASKS WHEN SHADOW GOV WILL TAKE ON TRUMP

    ….Mudd ominously proposed an insurrection against Trump, saying, “A curious point in American government: when do we see almost a shadow government come out and say ‘we cannot side with the government,’ whether it’s the Cabinet or the Senate. I think that’s the big question.”

    https://www.infowars.com/ex-cia-fbi-agent-philip-mudd-asks-when-shadow-gov-will-take-on-trump/

  17. Roger

    Chief among them being China.

    Which threatens US hegemony in the western Pacific and Russian hegemony in central Asia.

  18. mh

    Putin said the Cold War was over and that the US and Russia now needed to solve problems together

    Yes, they have to clear up the mess left by Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

  19. .

    ….Mudd ominously proposed an insurrection against Trump, saying, “A curious point in American government: when do we see almost a shadow government come out and say ‘we cannot side with the government,’ whether it’s the Cabinet or the Senate. I think that’s the big question.”

    Wow, just wow.

  20. Roger

    EX-CIA & FBI AGENT PHILIP MUDD ASKS WHEN SHADOW GOV WILL TAKE ON TRUMP

    Er…Phil, it’s been in progress since May, 2017 (officially).

  21. Dr Fred Lenin

    Max .to make societal change for the better the first target is total reform of the public service that is the centre of all government . If public servants refused to obey ministerial instructions what could the politicians do ? So that is the aim you must have remove tenure by yearly contracts ,salaries performance based ,cutting out perks. Reducing retirement benefits to that of normal workers ,continual movement through departments so they do not get set in their ways. Once this has been done you take the chainsaw to the career politicians ,their parties lobbyists (bribers) and . quango hangers on . That would be genuine reform .

  22. Frank

    Mother Lode

    Moreover, he would also have been able to make her jump stumble trip through hoops with
    1) , 2) and 3)

    No need for those three, a cheque for a few million will do for just about anything where the Clintons are concerned. You get willing compliance that way.

  23. Mother Lode

    No need for those three, a cheque for a few million will do for just about anything where the Clintons are concerned.

    Easier for bill.

    Just keep him supplied with 10 year Cubans.

    And cigars.

  24. Up The Workers!

    I know what he said, but let’s not overlook the fact that that bloke’s name is Mudd!

  25. BorisG

    Trump showed he is a traitor pure and simple. When Putin attacks America and the west in so many ways, Trump declares the Cold War is over. When US intelligence and Congress discover an extraordinary attack by Putin on US democracy, he says believes Putin’s strong denials.

    He sides with American adversary and tyrant Putin against alllies.

    SHAME.

  26. .

    Boris

    Can you actually justify your position?

    China is a more clear and present strategic threat as well.

    Russia is probably a third or fourth power after the US, China and the EU now.

  27. Jef

    Be ready to hear all the fake news and self-manufactured stories from CNN, the MSN, and all the leftwing media to condemn Trump with whatever he said during his meeting with Putin.

  28. Mother Lode
    #2765376, posted on July 17, 2018 at 10:17 am

    Why would anyone think that Putin would have preferred Trump to Hillary?

    Because Hillary is a proven warmonger. She destroyed Libya and set the scene for the debacle in Syria. Putin just doesn’t have enough money to bribe her, he can’t outbid the military industrial complex.
    As for having dirt on her, she wouldn’t care one jot. Every man and his dog has dirt on Hillary and Bill, but none of it ever sticks.
    Putin making some claims about Hillary has as much chance as a snowflake in hell, especially with the compliant Western media and the US alphabet agencies.

    So yeah I believe Putin when he says he preferred Trump. Russia, with a GDP not much bigger than Australias sure wouldn’t want to get in a scrap with a raging criminal like Hillary.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    One of the first things Obama did on entering the Oval Office was to remove the bust of Churchill.
    One of the first things Trump did was return the statue.
    Now he has the privilege of sitting in Winston’s chair.
    Cool.

  30. stackja

    Helsinki summit: Donald Trump’s most jaw dropping moment
    Dennis Atkins, The Courier-Mail
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    IN what’s been 18 months of a whiplash, history making presidency, Donald Trump has caused jaws to drop around the world on many occasions.

    None has come close to the news conference he held, early evening Monday local time in Helsinki, Finland, with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Over three quarters of an hour, the two leaders ran through a range of issues of global importance and mutual interest.

    Despite this Trump stood there and said he believed Putin above his intelligence and law investigators. It is beyond belief.

    When quizzed, Trump said Putin had made a strong case for why the Russians didn’t do anything. As they say in the spy business, he would say that wouldn’t he.

    Trump said he couldn’t see any reason why Russia would meddle in US elections.

    That statement makes him either a liar or a fool. It also says he’s unfit to be President of the United States.

  31. stackja

    Surrender summit’: America furious at Trump’s ‘shameful’ siding with Russia over election meddling
    Andrew Koubaridis in Helsinki, news.com.au
    24 minutes ago

    HORRIFIED political leaders in the United States have accused President Donald Trump of siding with Russia over his own country after an extraordinary joint press conference with Vladimir Putin.

    The two presidents spoke and took questions for 46 minutes overnight after spending an afternoon together at a summit in Helsinki, Finland, where they both pledged to act on a number of serious issues confronting the world.

    But one topic dominated the fallout — the allegations that Russia interfered in America’s 2016 presidential election.

    Mr Putin dismissed the claims as “nonsense”. Mr Trump appeared to accept the Russian president’s “strong and powerful” denials over the unambiguous conclusions of his own intelligence agencies.

    Mr Trump also appeared to blame the US, rather than Russia, for the strained relations between the two nations.

  32. Mother Lode

    Because Hillary is a proven warmonger

    I don’t think she would start a war if her paymaster and puppetmaster (which Putin would be) said no.

    The Hilderbeest was and is the quintessential Dimocrat. Everything is about her power and money – and the power bit is actually about money.

    She has no interest in the rest of the world at all. Her desire is to gain more control over America – like keeping the great golden goose, locked up but steadily supplying her with gold.

    Obama just wanted the outside world to go away. He was occasionally pricked into action but the over all arc of his policy was to surrender to enemies and ignore allies. He paid off the Iranians, he ignored the significance of what happened in Benghazi and instead turned it into a domestic issue of naughty Islamophobes.

    But what he did within the US was a control on steroids. He wanted to know what everyone was doing so he could go persecute anyone who would oppose him.

  33. mh

    Stackja, Dennis Atkins……please. No more.

  34. stackja

    mh
    #2765462, posted on July 17, 2018 at 11:45 am
    Stackja, Dennis Atkins……please. No more.

    Dennis Atkins does seem unusual.

  35. BorisG

    Russia is probably a third or fourth power after the US, China and the EU now.

    In terms of economy, Russia’s is about the same size at Italy, so it is not even in the top 10. In terms of its nuclear arsenal, it is still number two and the main threat to the US. China is probably close.

    More importantly, Russians see the US as its main adversary and the main source of world problems. This is a common theme of any Putin’s messages back home. It is not uncommon for Putin’s cronies to claim that AIDS and IS were created by CIA. Anti Americanism is KGB’s DNA and Putin is its loyal disciple, despite the reheotric that the Cold War is over.

    Even stronger in Russian DNA are its imperial ambitions. Dismiss these at your peril.

    It is interesting how Israel got so close to Russsia despite all the American support. As one commenter observed, American Middle East polices vary depending on who is in charge, while Russia’s interests are more permanent as imperial ambissions are in Russian DNA.

  36. mh

    President Trump – Putin Joint Press Conference at Summit in Helsinki, Finland

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49uvPQbqmOo

  37. BorisG

    Russia is probably a third or fourth power after the US, China and the EU now.

    Sure Russia is not the only adversary, but adversary nonetheless, which aims to weaken America in any way possible.

  38. stackja

    BorisG
    #2765468, posted on July 17, 2018 at 11:52 am

    Russia being Russia.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    Even stronger in Russian DNA are its imperial ambitions. Dismiss these at your peril.

    Boris – I’ve been reading The Great Game by Peter Hopkirk.

    It’s worth a read. The Russian modus operandi hasn’t changed. Indeed I’d say Putin is the best great gamer since the late 1800’s.

    Just copy-replace “Great Britain” by “USA” and you’ll understand what I mean.

    Russian are masters of getting what they want from an actual position of weakness.

  40. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2765481, posted on July 17, 2018 at 12:04 pm

    And DT has probably heard of the The Great Game. Time will tell who is the better gamer.

  41. stackja

    The Great Game
    From Wikipedia,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

    “The Great Game” was a political and diplomatic confrontation that existed for most of the nineteenth century between the British Empire and the Russian Empire over Afghanistan and neighbouring territories in Central and Southern Asia. Russia was fearful of British commercial and military inroads into Central Asia, and Britain was fearful of Russia adding “the jewel in the crown”, India, to the vast empire that Russia was building in Asia. This resulted in an atmosphere of distrust and the constant threat of war between the two empires.[1][2][3]

    The Great Game began on 12 January 1830 when Lord Ellenborough, the President of the Board of Control for India, tasked Lord William Bentinck, the Governor-General, to establish a new trade route to the Emirate of Bukhara.[2][3][4] Britain intended to gain control over the Emirate of Afghanistan and make it a protectorate, and to use the Ottoman Empire, the Persian Empire, the Khanate of Khiva, and the Emirate of Bukhara as buffer states between both empires. This would protect India and also key British sea trade routes by stopping Russia from gaining a port on the Persian Gulf or the Indian Ocean.[2][3] Russia proposed Afghanistan as the neutral zone.[5] The results included the failed First Anglo-Afghan War of 1838, the First Anglo-Sikh War of 1845, the Second Anglo-Sikh War of 1848, the Second Anglo-Afghan War of 1878, and the annexation of Khiva, Bukhara, and Kokand by Russia.

  42. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From rickw at 8:54 am:

    “He grew on the campaign trail and he is growing in the job.

    Maybe not that surprising, most probably Trumps long term success has been underpinned by an ability to try, analyse, self reflect, improve.

    The Left must be well and truly crapping themselves, Trumps worked out where the levers are and everyone The Left had been trying to crush knows it.

    The media are as immature children with no appreciation at all of what happens when top end people meet to discuss business. They seem to believe they sit opposite each other at a conference table, each bearing a clipboard on which they tick off items, asking each other “Does this resonate with you?” and “Are you comfortable with that?” – not conducting any discussion until after electing a chairman and another to take the minutes; and doing a head count to check equality of sheilas, blackfellas and cripples present.

    The ageing ABC girlie on Their ABC’s 7:30 report last night (featured here on the Open Forum) was astonished and appalled in her first question to former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka:

    “President Donald Trump will sit down with Russian leader Vladimir Putin for 90 minutes without advisers … yet the American spent the days leading up to the summit playing golf … do you think he understands that he is potentially at a deep disadvantage in meeting Mr Putin without officials, without agenda and really without serious preparation”

    Gorka’s initial reaction was to scoff at her.

    Read it again – its plain insulting. She’s been sitting on her fat clacker behind a desk all her working life, telling tales about people who do things for a living, reading out words prepared by script writers and she has the impudence to lecture two of the most able, successful and influential individuals imaginable how to conduct a meeting? Maxine McWho, supposedly Their ABC’s best, offers a case study in how clever lifetime newsreaders are at filling a role of importance. She won Bennelong, did precisely nothing else and lost it three years later.

  43. mh

    I didn’t see the MSM call for a boycott of the World Cup.

  44. mh

    Congratulations to Finland for hosting this successful summit.

  45. BorisG

    I didn’t see the MSM call for a boycott of the World Cup.

    Good point. Theresa May has tried this idea but Merkel dismissed it.

  46. mh

    BorisG
    #2765504, posted on July 17, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    I didn’t see the MSM call for a boycott of the World Cup.

    Good point. Theresa May has tried this idea but Merkel dismissed it.

    Theresa May ran it past Mutty Merkel first? Lol

  47. .

    Even stronger in Russian DNA are its imperial ambitions. Dismiss these at your peril.

    Dude! I was one of the non-crazy commenters here that pointed out the sheer illegality and underhandedness of Russia in the Ukraine.

    Now IF PUTIN WAS FUNDING MERKEL ALL ALONG, WHY DID THE LUNAR ALT RIGHT CLAIM THAT MERKEL WAS BEHIND EUROMAIDAN TO UNDERMINE RUSSIA?

  48. BorisG

    Dude! I was one of the non-crazy commenters here that pointed out the sheer illegality and underhandedness of Russia in the Ukraine.

    Dot, when I said ‘dismiss it your peril’, I did not mean you but Trump and his apologists.

  49. BorisG

    Possible reasons for Trump’s shameful acceptance of Putin’s denials of Russian attack on US elections:

    – he knows Putin has kompromat on him
    – he sees the investigation on Russian meddling as a witch hunt against him personally and his election victory, and hence it is all fake news.
    – he sees that this is insignificant in the scheme of things and we should focus on common threats etc.

    The last one is the most charitable but is still appeasement, which will only embolden Putin.

  50. Dr Fred Lenin

    Boris g should apply for a job at CIA or FBI where he would feel at home with the other “Cold War,dirty commos “ dinosaurs ,after years of hating Russia its ingrained in their culture . The leftists hate Russia too because its no longer the guiding light of world domination and a safe place to go if you are caught and defect . Does anyone really think Russia is comfortable with China’s new aggressive build up of armed forces and flexing of muscles ,Siberia is a rich source of minerals and fuel China needs . Much better for Russia to have the USA on the opposite side of China ,as allies , forcing China to fight a war on both fronts a tactic which destroyed the Nazis . The Russians are a very practical people , the climate has shaped them over the generations ,a hard climate for a hard people .

  51. BorisG

    Theresa May ran it past Mutty Merkel first? Lol

    It is not unreasonable to try to form a united front. Doing it unilaterally would only isolate the UK even further.

  52. .

    Much better for Russia to have the USA on the opposite side of China

    Agreed but on OUR (the West’s terms), not Russia’s.

  53. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “… WHY DID THE LUNAR ALT RIGHT CLAIM THAT MERKEL WAS …”

    Oh I am falling behind! – what in the sweet cheeses is the “lunar alt right”? Don’t tell me, I don’t need to know – there will be some other weird description invented in the next three month cycle of modernisation of the language.

  54. BorisG

    Much better for Russia to have the USA on the opposite side of China ,as allies , forcing China to fight a war on both fronts a tactic which destroyed the Nazis . The Russians are a very practical people , the climate has shaped them over the generations ,a hard climate for a hard people

    I agree with this logic but do you see any evidence of that in Russian policy? So far Russia is trying to court China in any way possible. I think Russians hate Americans (and Brits) too much for that to happen.

  55. BorisG

    The Russians are a very practical people , the climate has shaped them over the generations ,a hard climate for a hard people .

    yeh right this is why they embraced communism and worshiped Stalin. Very practical indeed.

  56. I find it interesting that everyone on the Left is saying that Trump should never have met with Putin, yet no one had similar sentiments when Obama met with Putin.

    Then the Left is saying that it’s treasonous for Trump to suggest that the US has been partly responsible for the tensions between the US and Russia. Aren’t these the same people that keep saying America is responsible for everything bad in the world?

    Thankfully, this is going to backfire on the Left just like every other accusation. They simply don’t know when to pull their heads in, the TDS is so strong.

  57. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I agree with this logic but do you see any evidence of that in Russian policy? So far Russia is trying to court China in any way possible. I think Russians hate Americans (and Brits) too much for that to happen.

    Leftist idiots are so caught up in hating Trump that they are going to create a China, Russia, Iranian axis.

    America’s political class are the stupidest people on earth.

  58. .

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #2765556, posted on July 17, 2018 at 1:31 pm
    “… WHY DID THE LUNAR ALT RIGHT CLAIM THAT MERKEL WAS …”

    Oh I am falling behind! – what in the sweet cheeses is the “lunar alt right”? Don’t tell me, I don’t need to know – there will be some other weird description invented in the next three month cycle of modernisation of the language.

    Anyone who perhaps believed that Putin was funding Euromaidan against himself.

    That wasn’t you, was it?

    I’m gloating now, so if you want to deflect, just go away, cut and run.

    The fact that Trump has never taken shit off Putin is just great to me because I called out Putin for what he was back when Hillary was still grovelling.

  59. .

    God, I love this winning! Trump was wrong, I’d never say “hold on, I can’t take anymore winning!”!

  60. Iampeter

    Churchill of our time? This is beyond parody.
    If Obama engaged in this level of sycophantic and cowardly appeasement you’d all be having kittens.

  61. .

    Please specify the appeasement. What did Don give to Putin?

  62. BorisG

    What did Don give to Putin?

    High Praise from the leader of the free world.

  63. Dr Fred Lenin

    That phrase “Leader of the Free World “ would be disputed by the US left , the Fourth Reich in Europe ,the islamofascists , the Chinese communist fascists , the turnbull alp mob etc. etc. The commisars in Brussels and at u.n,communist HQ in New York and comrade obama the half whit muslim are the leaders .

  64. .

    Praise is nothing really.

    Words are cheap, would you not agree?

  65. Roger

    So far Russia is trying to court China in any way possible.

    The Russians are trying to extract any advantage possible in the short term in their relations with China, but they will be plotting out quite different scenarios in the medium to longer term as a more belligerent extends its influence in central Asia and eyes parts of the Russian Far East as its own natural sphere of influence or even makes territorial claims.

  66. Roger

    a more belligerent China

  67. BorisG

    The Russians are trying to extract any advantage possible in the short term in their relations with China, but they will be plotting out quite different scenarios in the medium to longer term as a more belligerent extends its influence in central Asia and eyes parts of the Russian Far East as its own natural sphere of influence or even makes territorial claims.

    Yes but old habits (opposition to the US dominated world) die hard. Thus Putin is pedalling multi-polar world and courting China.

  68. BorisG

    Words are cheap, would you not agree?

    words embolden Putin and cement his popularity at home.

  69. billie

    Trump, what balls he has!

    the psycho msm are the ones having kittens because he just doesn’t listen to them, like he should be ! (sarc)

    so many Paul Kelly moments, it’s fascinating, like a train smash, to watch the haters hate out of sheer undignified desire for Trump to fail – like Sheldon Cooper trying to make people’s heads explode by sheer will

    Yet, he keeps winning and kicking goals when all the psychos want failure, at any cost, name it and they would do it

    What a guy!

  70. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Putin wanted chaos in the US.

    The media, the Dems and NeverTrump have given him more than his wildest dreams could hope for.

    Proving yet again why swamp draining is necessary.

  71. Tucker Carlson asked a very relevant question: ‘Why are so many hating Putin?’ The Left seemed to love Communist Russia, but now that it’s become a Christian nation, the head of the Kremlin is a hated figure.

    Russia and the US, especially when it comes to the ordinary people, have far more in common than any other nation and were allies in WWII. Without Russia, Germany wouldn’t have been defeated.

    With the way things are moving in the EU, especially with the desire to create an EU army (or military), maybe another Deutsches Reich is emerging, if a Caliphate doesn’t rise earlier.

  72. Empire 5:5

    BorisG
    #2765419, posted on July 17, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Trump showed he is a traitor pure and simple. When Putin attacks America and the west in so many ways, Trump declares the Cold War is over. When US intelligence and Congress discover an extraordinary attack by Putin on US democracy, he says believes Putin’s strong denials.

    He sides with American adversary and tyrant Putin against alllies.

    SHAME.

    Why do you lie so much on the interwebs? Do you get paid for making this shit up or are you an amatuer zealot desperately defending the belief system of a diseased mind to protect your ego?

    If you’re getting paid you need to lift your game. Your propaganda is not effective for the times.

  73. Frank

    Possible reasons for Trump’s shameful acceptance of Putin’s denials of Russian attack on US elections

    Those facebook memes? Evil.

  74. JC

    Bemused

    There maybe something in that in terms of how the left now perceives Russia. However, the idea that Putin is a God fearing christian is laughable. He runs a crony infested operation acting like a predator against the Russian people. If you’re in the in-group you’re lavished with billions. Putin himself is, not possibly, but definitely the richest man in the world – worth about US$200 billion. He’s also KBG and he’s a dick.

  75. There maybe something in that in terms of how the left now perceives Russia. However, the idea that Putin is a God fearing christian is laughable.

    I never suggested that Putin is God fearing or even Christian, but Russia appears to have abandoned the Marxist dogma that made it anti-Christian and Russians can now freely and safely follow their Christian faith. Today’s Russia is not anti-Christian like today’s (or yesterday’s) Left.

    Who do you think the Russian people would prefer, Putin or Stalin? Is there a current Gulag Archipelago (is Solzhenitsyn’s book even known in today’s schools) in operation in Russia? How much do the Leftist elite i the US earn, compared to the hispanics that clean their toilets? How much do the Leftist elite in the US earn who sack US workers but force them to train low paid visa holders else they get no redundancy payments?

    The US elite is full of dick’s that are no better and in many ways far worse, keeping blacks, hispanics and their own people in poverty to maintain their own lavish lifestyles. That’s precisely why they hate Trump, he’s opening everyone’s eyes to these hypocrites, giving the workers back what they’ve lost and the Left is scared.

    Who are the real filth in the world today?

  76. Reading the comments one thing is sure. Many here at the Cat haven’t learned a thing since that faithful day when Trump came down the escalator.

    When he asks “where is the server”, he isn’t asking where is the server, he is telling you HE HAS THE SERVER.
    One of Trump’s best traits is the way he draws out the nutjobs to expose themselves, and then he hits them and hits them hard.
    The American left has gone apoplectic because they fear a good relationship between Trump and Putin.

    Anyway, no point arguing all day over things none of us have full knowledge of. It’s all opinions based on reports and social media posts. None of us have inside information sooooo………
    TIME WILL TELL. EITHER I’LL LOOK LIKE A GULLIBLE DICK, OR MANY HERE AT THE CAT WILL.

  77. Gary

    BorisG

    I would’ve taken you more seriously if said foolish, dumb or even pathetic but ‘traitor’.

    Do you work for Brennan?

  78. Infidel Tiger

    When he asks “where is the server”, he isn’t asking where is the server, he is telling you HE HAS THE SERVER.

    You better hope that is not true or Trump is going to jail forever.

  79. John Constantine

    Gold Rebirthing was used by Australian organised crime to strip gst from the tax system.

    If 600 million bucks of GST was stripped, this means organised crime has moved six billion, six hundred million dollars worth of gold through the system since 2012.

    Billion dollar a year organised crime business, that has left no tracks and only the Australian gold refining industry gets shut down as a penalty.

    No wonder they had to buy so much baby formula milk powder to remit the proceeds back home.

    Comrades.

  80. John Constantine

    Lucky there aren’t any other rorts that the Mafia could exploit in Australia, or we would be in real trouble.

  81. candy

    There was simply no way Trump could say there was Russian influence. It would lead to impeachment.

    He said there was no collusion and I believe that. Also Trump said that he believes the world would like to see himself and Putin (America and Russia) get along. I believe he means that. I don’t think Trump is gullible though, not by a long shot.

  82. Tracey

    Is it possible Jeff Sessions has the server? There’s got to be a reason he’s still the AG.

  83. Roger

    Russians can now freely and safely follow their Christian faith. Today’s Russia is not anti-Christian like today’s (or yesterday’s) Left.

    If they are Russian Orthodox and of the Moscow Patriarchate, yes.

    Other Christians face restrictions on worship and religious activities.

  84. mh

    All the Ruskies did was do a bit of shit stirring on social media. Just like we do every day.

    Let’s make Putin an honourary Cat.

  85. mh

    The establishment and the MSM told us that a Trump win would mean either WW111 and/or the US economy crashing.

    One problem for them, the US economy is going gangbusters and NK and Russia are now engaged with the USA. Oops!!!

  86. Richard Bender

    I’m surprised that Professor Kates confused Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain, but I guess errors like that happen to the best of us.

  87. Oh come on

    Borry, there is a long-standing conflict of interest between Russia and the US. Trump is right in that this is primarily the fault of US strategic incoherence in dealing with post-Soviet Russia. And this conflict of interest is irrevocable if the US continues blundering along the same path of Clinton, Dubbya and Obama. This is what a real reset looks like. Something has to change, and it needs to come from the US side first because…well…the US side screwed it up in the first place. The issue is that Russia doesn’t want the US meddling in its ‘near-abroad’ – which the US has been doing for decades. Why? Do we really care that much about the countries on Russia’s borders? Are they worth being on a permanent collision course with a nuclear superpower? I really don’t think they are. Poland and the Baltic states ought to be the line we draw – beyond that, why should we care so much?

  88. In its place has come the Progressives’ political tradition: salvation by politics. This is the religion of our age, all over the world.
    Until it is abandoned, there will be no significant political change. It will be business as usual: crony capitalism, tenured bureaucracy, deficit spending, central banking, unfunded liabilities, Medicare, Social Security, and the public schools.
    How do we persuade the next generation to abandon all this? First, by pulling our children out of the public schools. Change starts with families.

    Well said, Max.

    One child moving to home schooling, the other far too social to ever contemplate it. However, he has changed from “Trump is a poopy head” to “why do they go crazy at everything he says?” I have to remind him to not be so certain of thigs he knows little about, but he is now a sceptic 😀

  89. Oh, and whatever happened to the “the CIA interfered in our elections” meme?

    They can’t keep a narrative any longer than a news cycle.

  90. You better hope that is not true or Trump is going to jail forever.

    How so, Infy?

    Only if he’s kept it from the authorities, except he hired the authorities.

  91. Putin himself is, not possibly, but definitely the richest man in the world – worth about US$200 billion. He’s also KBG and he’s a dick.

    So’s Jeff Bezos, and he’s also a dick.

  92. Oh come on

    Why does NATO still exist? Why is it continually expanding eastward? Why does it want to install a missile defence system in Poland – to protect from Iran?? I can see why the Russians don’t trust the West. We ought not trust Russia, either. However, we also don’t need to be positioning ourselves as though the USSR never collapsed. We ought to be able to come to an agreement with Russia that lessens the risk of catastrophic nuclear war.

  93. mh

    The Sun is 25p less than than the Mirror.

  94. mh

    Senator John McCain:

    “Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake.”

    It’s what’s inside Songbird McCain that frightens him.

  95. Oh come on

    “Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake.”

    Thank you for your service.

  96. Empire 5:5

    You better hope that is not true or Trump is going to jail forever

    Why?

    And which server are we talking? Killary’s illegal mail server or the DNC’s server? Then there’s Mr Abedin’s laptop and Debbie’s laptop.

    There’s a lot of crimes to investigate and lotsa evidence to gather. Just as well SleepyJeff gave Huber470 plenty of manpower.

  97. Boambee John

    Up The Workers!
    #2765418, posted on July 17, 2018 at 10:59 am
    I know what he said, but let’s not overlook the fact that that bloke’s name is Mudd!

    Wasn’t one of the Abe Lincoln conspirators named Mudd?

  98. Colonel Crispin Berka, Kings' Fusiliers Corps.

    Regarding Trump’s Putin Praise as being cheap words…
    The difference in treatment by blue-state pundits needs some explanation.
    When Trump is making assurances and compliments to the domestic electorate we are told his compliments are hollow, his promises are hot air, and he’s only in it for the self glorification.
    When Trump is making assurances and compliments to Russian President Putin, we are told his compliments are sincere, his promises will be delivered, and with the implication that Trump’s motivation is mainly to destroy America in exchange for money.

    But I agree with the progressives that Trump is nothing like Churchill. Churchill drank like a fish, escaped from a POW camp, and went on to lead victory in western Europe in an actual shooting war.
    Trump told NATO’s members they had to spend 2% of their GDP on defense so he could save the USA a some money, and expects this economy drive to put him in Churchill’s league. Not a chance.

    Every time I think Kates has hit rock bottom of the insanity sinkhole, he comes up with an even more outrageously sycophantic statement about the Don.

  99. Colonel Crispin Berka, Kings' Fusiliers Corps.

    (reposting with correct email address)

    Regarding Trump’s Putin Praise as being cheap words…
    When Trump is making assurances and compliments to the domestic electorate we are told his compliments are hollow, his promises are hot air, and he’s only in it for the self glorification.
    When Trump is making assurances and compliments to Russian President Putin, we are told his compliments are sincere, his promises will be delivered, and with the implication that Trump’s motivation is mainly to destroy America in exchange for money.
    This difference in treatment by blue-state pundits deserves some explanation.

    But I agree with the progressives that Trump is nothing like Churchill. Churchill drank like a fish, escaped from a POW camp, and went on to lead victory in western Europe in an actual shooting war.
    Trump is a teetotaller, and merely told NATO’s members they had to spend 2% of their GDP on defense so he could save the USA a some money, and expects this economy drive to put him in Churchill’s league. Not a chance.

    Every time I think Kates has hit rock bottom of the insanity sinkhole, he comes up with an even more outrageously sycophantic statement about the Don.

  100. BorisG

    If Trump is Churchill of our time then Putin is Stalin of our time. Not far off.

    But Churchill knew not to trust ay single word of Stalin. Trump believes Putin’s denials. LOL.

    Don’t believe me or MSM. See what Trump’s strongest allies say, e.g. Newt Gingrich: https://nypost.com/2018/07/16/gingrich-trump-committed-most-serious-mistake-of-his-presidency-at-putin-summit/

  101. BorisG

    It continues to amaze me how little people understand about Russia and Putin. They think that because they swapped their ideology from Marxism to Christian orthodox, they have become peaceful angels. But what you don’t realize is that the regime and power structures are essentially the same. Party central committee is replaced by presidential admisntration, KGB is renamed FSB but uses the same methods against dissidents etc. and Russian orthodox Christianity is as hostile to western democratic values as communism was.

  102. BorisG

    Do we really care that much about the countries on Russia’s borders?

    Two pints:

    I think it vital that we strongly oppose one country invading another anywhere in the world. The US went to war when Saddam invaded Kuwait. You can say Kuwait was important, but more important is the priciple or secure borders. Opposite of this is chaos. Now, the US cannot serve as a world police and be expected to go to war over any aggression but oppose by all possible political and economic means- yes.

    And specifically on Ukraine, the US and Russia signed guarantee of Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.

  103. None

    The trouble with Ukraine and lots of areas up there is that during the Soviet era a lot of ethnic Russians [were] moved to those parts and so after the Soviet era ended the newly independent states found themselves with hefty Russian minorities, even majorities in some parts that didn’t wanna let go of Moscow. This made it easier for Putin to invade. This strategy is used by Muslim states e.g. Indos populating Papua with non-indigenous Muslims.

  104. Jonesy

    BLOODY IDIOT!

    Just listened to Trump “clarifying” his presser with Putin. Would should have been wouldnt…Idiot!
    Trump had the best situation to stare down the political witch hunt once and for all…he even set the ground with his tweet. He should have grabbed Putin’s offer of access and forced his accusers to deliver. The same people that peddled fabrication have now been given presidential support..forced, no less. Trump blinked! He will slide now unless he can gain the moral high ground.

    The Syria/Isreal deal is now forgotten, North Korea, Iran, NATO…all wasted!

  105. Iampeter

    Marxism to Christian orthodox, they have become peaceful angels.

    But the only reason conservatives ever opposed Marxism is because they think its not Christian. If Marxists didn’t close churches because they didn’t want to share power, the conservative movement would’ve been the loudest and proudest of Marxists.

    It’s all they care about.

  106. Iampeter

    Trump walks back remarks from Russian Summit

    Best take-away quote:

    “In a key sentence in my remarks I said the word ‘would’ instead of ‘wouldn’t.’ The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason why I wouldn’t or why it wouldn’t be Russia.'”

    He’s “growing into the role” guys.

    Oh hey, remember when Churchill took back his “we will fight them on the beaches” speech and clarified he meant the exact opposite?

  107. mh

    Iampeter, why don’t you head to the US Mexican border and see if your open border activism can be better directed, rather than lurking on Catallaxy Files.

  108. Question for the day:
    if plastic bags are banned, what will the South American drug cartels, the mafia and the CFMEU use to suffocate their victims?

  109. Alan

    I’m sceptical. Is Trump the good guy? Or the ultimate distraction?
    “Look over there while we set the finishing touches to the endgame over here”?
    What endgame? A National ID linked to a global ID? Am I nuts?

    [27 Jun 2018] ABC: PNG minister defends controversial national identification program
    [9 May 2018] Budget: 2018 Federal Budget documents “will provide $130 million to upgrade the Department of Home Affairs’ ICT infrastructure for visa processing, *identity management* … establishing the Office of National Intelligence”. What?
    Computerworld: “… establish a platform for the Enterprise Identity Management System.” What?
    [3 May 2018] ABC: Home Affairs Dept officials revealed they had already published a facial recognition algorithm. “Well, of course – that was to beef up airport security and stuff …”.
    Then why create the new “Office of National Intelligence”?

    I found an interesting recent video called “Bilderberg and the Digital New World Order”
    Yeah, 44mins seems a yawn, but if the first 10mins is still boring, skip to @35mins?
    They also released a good video in Nov 2016: “What Happened to the Liberty Movement?”

  110. BorisG

    The trouble with Ukraine and lots of areas up there is that during the Soviet era a lot of ethnic Russians [were] moved to those parts and so after the Soviet era ended the newly independent states found themselves with hefty Russian minorities, even majorities in some parts that didn’t wanna let go of Moscow. This made it easier for Putin to invade.

    Exactly. Though this does not apply to Ukraine so much because Ukraine has been been part of the Russian empire for Centuries, and the border was defined by Lenin rather arbitrarily, leaving a largely Russian speaking Donbass in the Ukraine. Crimea never had any significant Ukrainian speaking people, though Crimean tatars, its ‘original’ inhabitants (before Russian takeover in 18th century) prefer Ukraine over Russia (because they were explled by Stalin who is perceived to be Russian imperialist leader).

  111. Empire 5:5

    Question for the day:
    if plastic bags are banned, what will the South American drug cartels, the mafia and the CFMEU use to suffocate their victims?

    Cling wrap.

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