Wednesday Forum: July 18, 2018

1,922 Responses to Wednesday Forum: July 18, 2018

1. Dr Faustus

   #2767702, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:28 pm

   But the way they did over Richard was just way over the top.

   Certainly was.

   Some noddy in the South Yorks Constabulary was bullied by the top levels of the BBC to allow extraordinary access to the investigation. The High Court agreed that this degree of cooperation was “unlawful”.
2. stackja

   #2767703, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:28 pm

   Baldrick
   #2767628, posted on July 19, 2018 at 3:33 pm

   MT going to NT about TC cover up?
3. Stimpson J. Cat

   #2767704, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:29 pm

   Rob Reiner
   @robreiner
   The United States was attacked. We didn’t see bombs hitting Pearl Harbor. We didn’t see planes crash into buildings. But cyber missiles struck the heart of our Democracy. It was an insidious Act of War. Anyone who aids and abets this is committing Treason.
   8:16 PM · Jul 17, 2018
4. None

   #2767706, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:29 pm

   Researchers from La Trobe University’s Centre for Alcohol Policy Research analysed six years’ worth of crime data and uncovered a 40 per cent surge in domestic violence on Origin game days in NSW.

   Correlation is not causation. I bet this was a bit of data mining. I bet these dweebs don’t know that I could probably “analyse” six years of crime data and find a 40% surge (from one to two incidents ever second year or so) when the ice cream van comes by or Malcolm Turnbull has a brain fart. Such correspondences show nothing. They are just lazy ways for people like Amazon to try sell you more not to explain what you like to read and why (once upon a time data mining was verboten in many studies for this reason). This is really irresponsible reporting. I feel for the pub manager – seems he was taking the piss (as he should). So much for the caring sharing tolerant inner city hipster Newtown.
5. Des Deskperson

   #2767707, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:29 pm

   “If you’re about, can you confirm the news I heard this afternoon… that substantial slabs of the APS where “probity” is a thing have been automatically opted out of MyHealthRecord?”

   I’m not aware of this, Mark. In fact I had lunch today with some former colleagues, now contracting in Human Services and ATO. The issue of MyHealth came up in very general terms, but no one mentioned agencies or individuals employed by them automatically opting out. Of course, if the movement was in or part of the Defence or intelligence communities, than my friends would probably not have known.

   If I hear more, I will let you know.
6. candy

   #2767709, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:30 pm

   Turnbull and other politicians are now seeking to pervert the course of justice.

   I saw that and I agree, None.
   Now, I believe his reasons are that there are funding squabbles going on re the Catholic schools, and so he is demonising priests. Which is easy to do these days, given the anti Catholic sentiment across Australia.

   So he hopes to crush the funding issue by getting people riled up about sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.

   So that’s entirely obvious. What’s not so obvious is why T.Abbott stays in a party led by a man who does stuff like this. Disappointing. He would make a fine leader of the Aust. Conservatives and really bring them to the fore so we have a voting choice. Cory B I excellent in many ways, but I think TA would really be the bonus.
7. .

   #2767710, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:30 pm

   “Keep calm and slap a bitch as we approach the finals of this years [sic] NRL! Live & Loud every game!” read Wednesday’s post for Newtown’s Coopers Hotel on Facebook.

   Jeepers! You can’t even joke about the absurd research that reckons we gotta ban da footies to protect da wahmens.

   The post included a Batman and Robin “Kapow” cartoon.

   Can we joke about Turkish prisons, Greco Roman wrestling and….?

   Looks like Coopers Hotel in Newtown needs to take a long, hard look at themselves. And learn how to write a proper apology. Buy your pints elsewhere, Sydney friends,” wrote YWCA Victoria.

   Fuck off guys and stop meddling, you’ll live longer.

   We aim to improve the lives of women by ending inequality. We deliver exceptional services focused on creating opportunities for women facing disadvantage and are a powerful voice for women’s equality.

   So you want to bully a publican 900 km for making an off colour joke?

   Just fuck off! As to your virtue signalling:

   Shut up, I don’t care. Fuck you!
8. Leigh Lowe

   #2767711, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:30 pm

   Baldrick
   #2767628, posted on July 19, 2018 at 3:33 pm

   MT going to NT about TC cover up?

   Has he called for the “child protection” [email protected] enablers to be sacked?
9. .

   #2767712, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:30 pm

   Rob Reiner
   @robreiner
   The United States was attacked. We didn’t see bombs hitting Pearl Harbor. We didn’t see planes crash into buildings. But cyber missiles struck the heart of our Democracy. It was an insidious Act of War. Anyone who aids and abets this is committing Treason.

   #walkaway
10. Leigh Lowe

    #2767713, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767704, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    Rob who?
11. areff

    #2767714, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    The Aussie has had 100 point range today and also very volatile within that range

    64 cents by yearend. Go short, young man, go short.
12. incoherent rambler

    #2767715, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    “The reasons for that volatility are the sudden closure of two coal-fired power plants, the Northern power station in South Australia and Hazelwood in Victoria … and nothing in terms of dispatchable generation to replace them.”

    Wow. The ABC quoting a rational person on energy. How did they let that one slip through?

    Mass sackings anytime now.
13. Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767716, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    Very interesting website about Resignations.
14. Des Deskperson

    #2767717, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    ‘Wonder what she’s doing now?’

    Last I heard, Anu Singh was undertaking – no pun intended, and may even have completed, a degree in criminology.

    So far as I could tell, it was not a joke.

    Still, somebody must has been impressed by her, they named a university after her.
15. thefrolickingmole

    #2767718, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    You know whats really pitiful.

    A tick on the ballbag of Aboriginal Australians seems to think people here would be upset by an Aboriginal doing well, especially in such a prestigious area.

    Speaking on behalf of all here at catallaxy – congrats!

    Its a special type of stupidity/projection that thinks people who want to see Aboriginals doing well actually means the opposite.

    Disgraceful little racist testesplatter.
16. calli

    #2767719, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    dover_beach
    #2767615, posted on July 19, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    No sarin was found. NONE. Britain was lying.

    The funniest thing 2018 is being told by Leftists to trust the ‘intelligence community’.

    It’s a signal to let us know that they now own it. No one seems to have sent around the memo about keeping it a secret.

    Probably being processed through the diversity/equality/fairness committee as we speak.
17. incoherent rambler

    #2767720, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    64 cents by yearend.

    Disaster for all those who import stuff from US and PRC.
18. jupes

    #2767721, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    I’m not sure the Tasmanian government has thought this through. Doesn’t their greatest son – Bob Brown – burn logs in the fire-place of his homo love-nest? Oh dear.

    Barbecue smoke ban in Tasmania dubbed un-Australian

    If the Tasmanian government has nothing better to do than be a fucking busy-body perhaps they should shut down for a few years.
19. Leigh Lowe

    #2767722, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    cohenite

    #2767695, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    What’s happening with the head prefect?

    JC is donating his bowel to Richo.
20. cohenite

    #2767723, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Stop trolling, Cohenite. It’s one of your worst traits.

    No. Genuine question. What’s the problem.
21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2767724, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    THE NATION
    ‘You’re not welcome in Melbourne’, Green tells PM, Dutton

    The Australian
    3:11PM July 19, 2018
    Rachel Baxendale
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rachelbaxendale

    Greens MP Adam Bandt has told Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Dutton they are “not welcome in Melbourne”, accusing them of trying to “use race to win votes and whip up hatred” in comments about African gang violence in Victoria.

    Mr Dutton this morning described Victoria as a “parallel universe” and “fairyland”, after there was a 70 per cent spike in complaints to the state’s Human Rights Commissioner over his comments about African gang violence.

    The Home Affairs Minister also slammed the New Zealand Justice Minister for criticising Australia’s policy of deporting New Zealand citizens who have committed crimes, and pledged to “sort out” the Administrative Appeals Tribunal after a series of decisions on migration cases which he says are unacceptable to the community.

    In January, Mr Dutton said Victorians were “scared to go out to restaurants” because of “African gang violence”, following a spate of home invasions, car-jackings and violent burglaries involving youths of African descent.

    The issue was reignited on Tuesday when Prime Minister told a press conference in Melbourne that he was not personally frightened to go out to dinner in the Victorian capital, but that members of the public clearly were.

    “Peter Dutton is one of the worst kinds of politician, using race and fear to try and win votes in a state and a city that he knows absolutely nothing about,” Mr Bandt told Sky News.

    “Crime is down in Victoria and the Sudanese population make up about one per cent (of crimes) as far as I understand the statistics, so there is not a problem with African gangs in the way that Peter Dutton is talking about.

    From the Oz. Does someone want to tell this unctuous little gerbil, that, much as he thinks he’s God, he isn’t?
22. Dr Faustus

    #2767725, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    An early supporter of Mr. Obama’s 2008 election campaign, Mr. Soros told The Times that he felt let down on a professional level by the lack of attention he received from the former president during his eight years in office.

    So, Obama played Soros and didn’t deliver the goodies?
    Hillarity would’ve understood what was expected.
23. Cassie of Sydney

    #2767727, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    “Tintarella di Luna
    #2767661, posted on July 19, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    I was driving through Dickson, ACT, just now and noted that the town house where Joe Cinque was, err, euthanised by Anu Singh – 79 Anthill St – has been bulldozed to make way for units.

    I read Helen Garner’s book about Joe Cinque, what a tragedy I will never forget his parents and their devastating heartache. Wonder what she’s doing now? I shudder when I think of the evil in that creature.”

    Tintarella darling, Helen Garner’s is one of my favourite writers, she is a lefty but I will forgive her for that because her non-fiction writing is superb. Her writing style is succinct and crisp, there is no melodrama. I too read her book on Joe Cinque which is riveting, disturbing and stomach churning. Garner’s later book “This House of Grief” is also excellent, utterly painful to read about a father in Victoria who deliberately drove his car with his three boys inside into a dam and drowned them. He swam out. I think what makes Garner’s books so good is her astute insight into evil. Anu Singh, a complete sociapath, only served a short sentence of four or five years….so much for life in prison. As far as I am concerned, in any just society, she should have been executed.
24. JC

    #2767728, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Huh, how circumstances change depending on who’s in the White House.

    Here’s Crooked in 2012 telling us how Russia is really helpful and we shouldn’t look backwards.

    Hillary in 2012 on Russia: “Russia has been an ally. They’re in the P-5+1 talks with us, they have worked with us in Afghanistan and have been very helpful in the Northern Distribution Network and in other ways. So I think it’s somewhat dated to be looking backwards…”

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1019755455185211392

    Lord, the left are dishonest hypocritical bastards. Fucking snakes. Snakes in a Plane.
25. Tel

    #2767730, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    ‘You’re not welcome in Melbourne’, Green tells PM, Dutton

    Halve the Victorian GST payments for 6 months, then go back and ask again.
26. Speedbox

    #2767731, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    64 cents by year end.

    Disaster for all those who import stuff from US and PRC.

    Yes, and those who export their AUD into other destinations via USD.
27. JC

    #2767732, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    Anyone see this, it’s been out for 12 hours.

    Paul Sperry
    ‏ @paulsperry_

    BREAKING: The CrowdStrike analyst who ran the forensics on DNC servers worked for Mueller at FBI and in fact was personally promoted by Mueller

    What’s this about?
    Elsewhere:

    The CrowdStrike analyst who ran the forensics on Democratic National Committee servers previously worked closely with Robert Mueller at the FBI and was personally promoted by Mueller to an Assistant Director position within the bureau.

    According to archived material from the FBI website, Shawn Henry was promoted by then-Director Mueller in September 2008:

    Shawn Henry has been named Assistant Director of the FBI’s Cyber Division. Director Robert S. Mueller, III appointed him to this position to replace former AD James Finch, who was recently named Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Oklahoma City Division. Most recently, Mr. Henry served as Deputy Assistant Director of the Cyber Division.

    After leaving the FBI, Shawn Henry became President of CrowdStrike Services, the private security firm hired by Clinton campaign counsel Marc Elias — another friend of Shawn Henry — to analyze the DNC server, the same month Elias hired Fusion GPS and Robert Steele to compile the dossier pinning the hacking on not just Russia but also the Trump campaign.
28. Makka

    #2767733, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    64 cents by yearend.

    Looking for a bottom at .73 ish….. sideways/ up for a couple months not exceeding .76 then a ride down to the .70’s and lower. If .73 doesn’t hold initially then .68 before end of year.

    I think .64 is a very very big ask by end of year but the direction is right.
29. Delta A

    #2767734, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Yes, all the best to Jupes and JC, and also to Beery who went to the job interview/ the Lord Nelson Hotel. (He hasn’t clarified which at this stage.)
30. stackja

    #2767735, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    Left adored Stalin. Then Khrushchev supposedly told of Stalin’s deeds, and the Left were horrified. Mao, Castro, Ho, Pol Pot …
31. Makka

    #2767736, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    What’s this about?

    An important fact to remember; the FBI never did study the DNC servers. It was outsourced to Crowdstrike. All of it. Security? Sharing? Copies?
32. .

    #2767737, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Any historians out there?

    Last night I speculated that Fred. Will. IV of Prussia rejecting a new Imperial Crown over all Germans in 1849 was probably the greatest mistake in modern history.

    Checking Napoleon III, Russia pan Slavism, avoiding the German wars of unification and Austrian aggression in the Balkans would have averted most if not all of the tragedies of the 20th century.
33. JC

    #2767738, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Even the D’rats don’t want the Giraffe.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/democrats-spurn-comeys-endorsement/
34. cohenite

    #2767739, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Anu Singh, a complete sociapath, only served a short sentence of four or five years….so much for life in prison. As far as I am concerned, in any just society, she should have been executed.

    Singh went the mental illness route. I seem to recall she had support from a university, perhaps Macquarie. But Garner got a comment from the sentencing Judge who said something like there was no point in giving her a hard sentence. The poor guy got a hard sentence though.
35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2767740, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Spacechook warning…

    Book on the Lindt Cafe siege makes interesting reading – Man Monis committed several sex offences while on bail for Federal postal offences – sending abusive letters to the families of soldiers who had been KIA – and was allowed bail for FORTY sex offences. The author notes that “had Commonwealth and New South Wales legal jurisdictions more thoroughly compared notes, it is almost certain he would never have been at large at the time of the siege.”
36. Baldrick

    #2767741, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Barbecue smoke ban in Tasmania dubbed un-Australian

    Director of the Environmental Protection Authority, Wes Ford said, ” The changes will mean council officers can issue on-the-spot fines.”

    We’re governed by over zealous Recycle Bin Inspectors and Council Smoke Rangers.
37. Des Deskperson

    #2767742, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    ‘Tintarella darling, Helen Garner’s is one of my favourite writers, she is a lefty but I will forgive her for that because her non-fiction writing is superb.’

    I’d always believed that Garner was probably almost unique among Australian writers in the she genuinely had a built in bulls**t detector.

    But after her 2104 paean – ‘the Singular Rosie – to that dolled-up ‘victim’ and relentless self-promotor Rosie Batty, I’m now not so sure.

    f
38. .

    #2767743, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    Director of the Environmental Protection Authority, Wes Ford said, ” The changes will mean council officers can issue on-the-spot fines.”

    Mein gott. Cooking food is banned in Tasmania.
39. JC

    #2767745, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    Hey Cohenite

    @ChuckRossDC

    WRAY: FBI has Chinese espionage investigations open in all 50 states. Says Chinese spying is “most significant” espionage threat facing U.S. http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/christopher-wray-china-significant-spy-threat/ … @dailycaller

    What do you think of this? I think it’s too far fetched.

    I think think China is behind all of this. I think they’re behind the Shadow Brokers. I think they took @NSAGov tools and used them against @HillaryClinton in a way that implicated Russia.

    China wants to suggest democracy has too many exploits. Maybe it does?
40. stackja

    #2767746, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    Sydney siege: Police wanted Man Monis locked up but bail bungle set him free, inquest hears
    Janet Fife-Yeomans, The Daily Telegraph
    August 18, 2015 12:00am

    A ROOKIE solicitor doing his first bail hearing in NSW bungled the application by Man Monis just two months before the Lindt Cafe siege in December, it was alleged yesterday.

    The inquest was also told it was the government’s controversial changes to soften the bail laws that handed Monis his freedom again and again on charges of being an ­accessory to the murder of his wife and 40 sexual assault offences.

    His lawyers timed one successful bail application for immediately after the laws were introduced in May last year. The rookie prosecutor, whose name was suppressed, then decided not to oppose bail in October, when Monis faced fresh charges, because there was only a “slim” chance of success.

    Monis’ run of luck was detailed as the inquest into the deaths of Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson resumed to look at how the prosecution handled the bail issue.

    Monis was already on bail for being an accessory to murder when he was charged on April 14 last year with three counts of sexually ­assaulting a client of his spiritual healing business. Police refused him bail and Monis did not apply for bail at Kogarah Local Court that same day.

    Monis’ lawyers held off making an application for bail until May 22 — two days after the new laws were brought in by then attorney-general Greg Smith, the inquest heard.

    “The new bail act provided a significantly lower threshold for bail,” the officer in charge of the sexual assault investigation, Senior-Constable Denise Vavayis, told the ­inquest yesterday. Monis was granted bail on a $10,000 surety.
41. Makka

    #2767747, posted on July 19, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    … in fact, .7350 has been putting up a fight for nearly a month now. If it lets go could be a good 2 cents drop.
42. JC

    #2767748, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    That’s two shot dead in DC. And there’s one unhinged former CIA director on the loose.

    https://truepundit.com/intel-operative-who-altered-obamas-passport-records-turned-fbi-informant-on-boss-john-brennan-then-turned-up-murdered-in-d-c/

    A key witness in a federal probe into Barack Obama’s passport information stolen and altered from the State Department was gunned down and killed in front of a District church in D.C.

    Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late at night slumped dead inside a car. He was reportedly waiting to meet with FBI agents about his boss John Brennan.

    Back in March 2008, the State Department launched an investigation of improper computer access to the passport records of Barack Hussein Obama, and days later those of Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The investigation centered on one employee: a contract worker for a company that was headed by Brennan, a key Obama campaign adviser who later became assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Ultimately Brennan was appointed CIA director.

    First, Obama’s passport records were accessed and altered. Then days later — likely to provide cover — Brennan’s private Intel company accessed Clinton’s and McCain’s records as the State Department had already flagged the Obama breach by that time.

    Brennan’s company accessed and altered Obama’s passport BEFORE the 2008 presidential election, while Brennan was also working on Obama’s campaign team. After the election, Brennan took a job inside the White House.

    A month after the passport breach the key witness in this case was murdered. Harris was shot in the head in his car, in front of his church.
43. Boambee John

    #2767750, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    JC

    I agree with you about the Beeb’s atrocious behaviour re Cliff Richard. The cost should have been up by a factor of 10.

    Their bleats about restricting their coverage of police investigations sit poorly with their marked reluctance to cover the investigations into various Islamic gangs.
44. zyconoclast

    #2767751, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    Catallaxy Tinder is booming right now guys!!!!

    What about Catallaxy Grindr for the love is love crowd?
45. Rossini

    #2767752, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    P
    #2767460, posted on July 19, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    Thanks for the link!
46. min

    #2767754, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    The Night watch it was thanks frolicking mole.
    I heard all of what Craig Kelly said . He spent a lot of time at first saying how terrible it must be for the father of those children and it was a tragedy no one would get over (paraphrasing) and other sympathetic remarks.
    I doubt whether Trump even knew about this tragedy and it would have been wise ,given the antagonism beteen the countries, not to start off by making things worse . Not the time nor place to get into Putin.
47. cohenite

    #2767755, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    I think think China is behind all of this. I think they’re behind the Shadow Brokers. I think they took @NSAGov tools and used them against @HillaryClinton in a way that implicated Russia.

    I don’t know enough about the technology and whether china could do this; would they do that, sure.

    In other news putin apparently has suggested an exchange of nominated people – Russians. Americans – to be interrogated. Fox currently interviewing Browder and the likelihood of him being a person putin wants to be questioned. And Wray is defending mueller.

    Now, JC, what’s the problem: on a scale of 0 – 10, what is it; do we have to be worried?
48. Makka

    #2767756, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    I think they took @NSAGov tools and used them against @HillaryClinton in a way that implicated Russia.

    This is sick. Obama allowed access to the NSA data base (NSAGov tools) from myriad contractors. When he raised his concerns, Adm Rogers Director NSA nearly lost his job when the traitors Clapper and Brennan tried to get him sacked. As soon as Trump was sworn in, Rogers went to Trump without Obama’s knowledge and spilled the beans on everything. Ensuing Deepstate panic.

    The money trail and emails from the CF/DNC to Fusion GP and Steele etc implicates Killary.
49. P

    #2767757, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    Rossini
    #2767752, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    It’s a good one all right.

    Steve Kates had added it to his post The Deep State and Donald Trump
50. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    #2767758, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Any American Government handing over an American citizen to the Russians or Chinese would most definitely have to be impeached.

    That is despicable to even think they would consider it.
51. Dr Faustus

    #2767759, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    The changes will mean council officers can issue on-the-spot fines.”
    We’re governed by over zealous Recycle Bin Inspectors and Council Smoke Rangers.

    I was stopped, walking my dog, by a Brisbane Local Laws Officer who demanded to know why I was not carrying dog shit bags (fine $65.27). When I showed her the handful of bags I had in my pocket, I was informed that I should perhaps keep them visible, attached to the dog’s lead, to avoid the future inconvenience and waste of resources of being stopped and interrogated.

    No concealed carry in Brisbane.
52. zyconoclast

    #2767760, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    McDonald’s move to ban plastic straws angers Aussies
53. Makka

    #2767761, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    Wow! Just… Wow!

    Brennan’s company accessed and altered Obama’s passport BEFORE the 2008 presidential election, while Brennan was also working on Obama’s campaign team. After the election, Brennan took a job inside the White House.

    So Brennan got the CIA Boss job as payback for fixing Obamas passport?

    “There is no way to tell what might have been done to Obama’s passport records by those who accessed them. Key information could have been altered or destroyed. On April 8, 2008, after the breach became public, Obama confessed to having taken a trip to Pakistan in 1981. The then-candidate said: “I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college.” Journalist Jake Tapper was surprised and said: “This last part — a college trip to Pakistan — was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn’t hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.”

    Did Obama confess to this trip, which he doesn’t mention in either of his autobiographies, because of the passport breach?

    Or did Brennan simply erase the trip from Obama’s passport records through his role as CEO of Intel contractor Analysis Corp, where Brennan worked between his CIA career and Obama’s White House on Brennan’s journey to CIA head?”
54. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    #2767762, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    In other news putin apparently has suggested an exchange of nominated people – Russians. Americans – to be interrogated.

    You would have to be a numbskull of the highest order to think this would be agreeable. If Putin suggested this, Trump should have spat in his face.

    Set this precedent and see what happens when President Ocasio Cortez is asked to hand Kushner and Sarah Sanders to the Chinks.
55. H B Bear

    #2767763, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    Tinta – toxic femininity.
    Who? me H.B Bear? Oh nos

    Nah Anu Singh. You’re cool, I think(?).
56. zyconoclast

    #2767764, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    Deficit Projected to Top $1 Trillion Starting Next Year

    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration expects annual budget deficits to rise nearly $100 billion more than previously forecast in each of the next three years, pushing the federal deficit above $1 trillion starting next year.

    The revisions, which went largely unnoticed when the White House submitted its annual update to Congress last week, reflect the cost of federal spending increases agreed to earlier this year and higher interest payments.
57. jupes

    #2767765, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    Just clarifying JC’s post above because it is all rather confusing. Let me see if I’ve got this right.

    *Hillary’s campaign server was ‘hacked’ and the embarrassing (thought not denied) details were released by wikileaks. (This is not to be confused with Hillary’s private server that she illegally sent classified emails on while SoS).

    *Mueller indicted 12 Russian spies for ‘hacking’ the computer just days before Trump met Putin. The details of how they did this have not been released. However when the emails were released in 2016 it was claimed that Hillary hack campaign chief – John Podesta- had given the password up to a scammer over the phone. (So I dunno what the other 11 spies were supposed to be doing).

    *A decade ago, Mueller had hired and promoted a bloke named Shawn Henry to head the cyber division in the FBI.

    *Shawn Henry left the FBI and is now president of a computer security company called CrowdStrike Services.

    *Hillary’s campaign lawyer – Marc Elias – a friend of Shawn Henry, hired CrowdStrike Services to conduct the analysis of Hillary’s campaign server (rather than, say, hand it to the FBI).

    *The same month that Elias hired CrowdStrike, he also hired Fusion GPS to employ former Brit spy Christopher Steele to collude with Russian to produce the fake Trump dossier.

    *This means that the server has been undergoing analysis since before Trump won the election, yet they only announced the indictments a week or so ago. Obviously just a coincidence.

    Nothing shonky about all that at all.
58. JC

    #2767766, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Makka

    It’s worth reading all this, but you never really know if it’s true. Fuck me.. I don’t go for conspiracy theories, but Brennan looks and has the feel of a very sick individual. Rand Paul is right, Brennan appears unhinged.
59. Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767767, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    “I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college.”

    Just wait til the photos come out.
    And they will.
    AK 47 baby.
60. The Beer Whisperer

    #2767768, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    VICE : Owning People Online Really Is the Left’s Path to Victory
    Progressive candidates need to meet their people where they live: on the web.

    FFS, lefties get beaten like a red-headed stepchild whenever they are on an online level playing field. The dirty tricks Twitter has to do to try and level the playing field is absurd, and still failing.

    Its like half of Twitter are Muttley clones, and enjoy the beating equally.
61. Boambee John

    #2767769, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Best wishes to the ailing!
62. zyconoclast

    #2767770, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    SF Dept. of Elections issues board of education voter registration forms for some non-citizens

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — Monday the Department of Elections Issued Voter Registration Forms for non-citizens who are eligible to vote for members of the San Francisco Board of Education in the November 6th 2018 election. The measure passed in 2016 with a close vote of 54 percent to 46 percent following two failed previous attempts.
63. Myrddin Seren

    #2767771, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    No Rae, no Nemkat, no Johanna.

    You were warned.

    Wow

    Things can really move fast around here if you aren’t on the night shift !
64. A Lurker

    #2767772, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Quick question. Can anyone remember the name of the application or the link to the website to download the application you can use to watch Sky News Australia free on a computer?
65. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    #2767773, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    FFS, lefties get beaten like a red-headed stepchild whenever they are on an online level playing field. The dirty tricks Twitter has to do to try and level the playing field is absurd, and still failing.

    Its like half of Twitter are Muttley clones, and enjoy the beating equally.

    American right wing twitter is like Sparta. 95% of twitter users are lefties and they get owned all day long by 300 people.

    It’s to Australia’s eternal shame that we have zero prominent right wing twitter beasts.
66. Makka

    #2767774, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    I don’t go for conspiracy theories,

    Please don’t tell me that Killary, the DNC campaign, the Clinton Foundation, Obama’s FBI and DoJ (Holder,Lynch,Comey etc), Brennan and the MSM etc are not between them woven up into several CONSPIRATORIAL endeavors.

    One name; Seth Rich.

    Says it all.
67. JC

    #2767775, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    Please don’t tell me ……..

    There’s hell’s gate underneath all this. It’s just a feeling I have. Rich, the other dude, the dossier. There are some truly bad actors here.
68. Delta A

    #2767776, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    You’re cool, I think(?).

    Tinta is definitely cool, Bear. And articulate (in Italian and English), intelligent and a true ‘lifter’.

    I have not met her in person, but am privileged to know her through The Cat, where she has provided informed comment (often from harsh experience) with good-natured humour.

    And instead of merely whinging via a keyboard, as many of us do, she actually stood for election. I have the utmost admiration for the Cat Bella Donna.
69. Leigh Lowe

    #2767777, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    It’s worth reading all this, but you never really know if it’s true. Fuck me.. I don’t go for conspiracy theories, but Brennan looks and has the feel of a very sick individual. Rand Paul is right, Brennan appears unhinged.

    He is totally off the planet, like he knows there is something coming.
    I don’t agree totally that he is going to jail, not because he hasn’t overstepped legally, but he is pinning his last hopes on his dodgy shit not surfacing before the Dems get in the chair again.
    This is why he so desperately needs Trump to go down.
    His over-reach will eventually bring him undone (I reckon he will spill some supposedly classified stuff to try to get Trump).
70. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    #2767778, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    You idiots aren’t still going about Seth Rich.

    Last weeks report showed that Rich was not the source of the wikileaks emails.
71. Makka

    #2767779, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    There’s hell’s gate underneath all this.

    Yes. This is the stuff that will shake the foundations. The potential of the Pentagon Papers. It’s that bad.
72. Oh come on

    #2767780, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    Dunno what Johanna did to get shitcanned – maybe she finally crossed the line in her rather one-sided war against Lizzie? – anyway, she was all right. Colourful. And she did good work reporting the TURC proceedings.

    Rae and Nemkat won’t be missed.
73. Dr Faustus

    #2767781, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    Skripal Novichok poisoning suspects ‘identified’

    “Investigators believe they have identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack through CCTV and have cross-checked this with records of people who entered the country around that time. They (the investigators) are sure they (the suspects) are Russian.”

    They will turn out to be innocent Russian tourists, on a return day trip from Moscow to Salisbury.
74. Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767782, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    .. I don’t go for conspiracy theories

    I do.
    90% of this won’t come out as it is simply too horrible for your average Joe Sane to contemplate.
    People could literally go mad.
    The remaining 10% is enough to get most of these f$ckers locked away or otherwise publicly.
75. Oh come on

    #2767783, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    I don’t go for conspiracy theories, but Brennan looks and has the feel of a very sick individual. Rand Paul is right, Brennan appears unhinged.

    How could such a whackjob be appointed the CIA boss? It is astonishing.
76. Makka

    #2767785, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Brennan appears unhinged.

    It’s not just Brennan. He’s not alone in all this.
77. JC

    #2767786, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Artiste

    Google search into Seth Rich now seems to have been scrubbed with stories suggesting nefarious things going on. There appeared to be a link between Rich and wikileaks. Both Dot Com and Assange have suggested this.
78. Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767787, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?
79. Stimpson J. Cat

    #2767788, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    Who the f$ck uses Google Jesus Christ.

    Brave and DuckDuckGo.
80. Makka

    #2767789, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    One of Mad Maxine’s Minions;

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – Authorities have arrested a 43-year-old man after they located explosive devices and firearms at his residence while serving a search warrant in connection with multiple area burglaries.

    Authorities say they connected 43-year-old Mark Einerwold to three separate burglaries throughout June and July in Tea and Dell Rapids.

    …

    Authorities say they found multiple explosive devices as well as aluminum nitrate and aluminum powder, which authorities say have no use other than for an explosive device.

    Authorities also seized multiple firearms and a homemade firearm silencer from the residence.

    Einerwold was arrested on multiple burglary charges and for the sale or transportation of a destructive device. Authorities say more charges may be coming.

    Authorities say they found multiple items related to Antifa, an anti-fascist militant group, as well as other items indicating an extreme hatred for law enforcement and government.

    “We don’t know what his intentions were, or what they were. But it’s pretty safe to say, we stopped something from happening,” said Minnehaha County Sheriff’s Captain Jason Gearman.

    This is the left. They are fkg crazy.
81. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2767790, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    David Leyonhjelm revives fight with Sarah Hanson-Young
    
    The Australian
    5:40PM July 19, 2018
    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rosieslewis

    Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm has unleashed another attack against Sarah Hanson-Young after using parliamentary resources to determine how often the Greens senator has been asked to withdraw contentious remarks in the Senate.

    The parliamentary library research, commissioned by Senator Leyonhjelm and obtained by The Australian, found Senator Hanson-Young was asked to withdraw comments at least 26 times since 2012.

    The South Australian Greens senator is taking advice from lawyers on whether to launch legal action against Senator Leyonhjelm over allegedly defamatory remarks.

    Examples of unparliamentary language spoken by Senator Hanson-Young that she was asked to withdraw included calling then Immigration Minister Peter Dutton a “racist bigot”, telling Nationals senator Barry O’Sullivan he was “corrupt” and accusing Liberal senator Jim Molan of “supporting white supremacists”.

    By comparison Senator Leyonhjelm was asked to withdraw one comment — from Senator Hanson-Young — after he told her to “stop shagging men” during a debate about arming women with weapons for their safety.

    The remark, made late last month, triggered a bitter feud between the two senators.

    “Senator Hanson-Young … is a serial offender,” Senator Leyonhjelm said.

    “The chair has requested she withdraw insulting, offensive or inappropriate remarks on numerous occasions and on at least five occasions she has had to be cautioned by the chair for using unparliamentary language. Her favourite tactics are using parliamentary privilege to suggest other senators are dishonest, corrupt or mentally unstable.

    “Senator Hanson-Young is fond of dishing out undergraduate insults but cries foul when she gets a return serve, responding with faux indignant outrage, tears and tantrums. It’s a double standard in the chamber and quite frankly there’s a fair few of us that have had enough.”

    From the Oz.
82. m0nty

    #2767791, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    Rand Paul is right, Brennan appears unhinged.

    Rand Paul is raking leaves onto Brennan’s lawn as we speak.
83. Mark from Melbourne

    #2767793, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    JC,

    Assuming you survive, and apologies for a bit of Spacechooking, eschew Matilda in Domain Road.
84. jupes

    #2767794, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    “Senator Hanson-Young is fond of dishing out undergraduate insults but cries foul when she gets a return serve, responding with faux indignant outrage, tears and tantrums. It’s a double standard in the chamber and quite frankly there’s a fair few of us that have had enough.”

    But only one who has called it out.
85. .

    #2767795, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    This is a great and yet very sad documentary movie:

    Soldiers in Hiding – Documentary about US veterans

    An older one (early 1980s, post Vietnam veterans), but very good.
86. Armadillo

    #2767796, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    Rae and Nemkat won’t be missed.

    Septimus has the big C. When Sinc said “smoted”, I was thinking cremation.

    Wow. That was quick.
87. JC

    #2767798, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    Hi Mark

    Funny you mention it, we were there Tuesday night. The interior design is one of the best I’ve seen of any restaurant. It’s great looking. The menu really sucks with limited choice and sky high prices. I had the Wagu steak for one. It was two thinly cut pieces, ffs. 56 bucks!

    I’m not going there again unless there’s a change in management and the menu is cheaper and nicer. Fuck’em.
88. JC

    #2767799, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2767787, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?

    He’s like a Bond villain.
89. Leigh Lowe

    #2767800, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    Armadillo

    #2767796, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    Rae and Nemkat won’t be missed.

    Without repeating details, I assume that is what Sinc’s post on protecting anonymity was about.
    Googlery and his socks liked to stalk.
90. Baldrick

    #2767801, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Dot, can you please try that link again. Doesn’t seem to be working.
91. The Beer Whisperer

    #2767802, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?

    Worse, his dad was an Iranophile. Worserer, he was a fan specifically of the Mullahs.

    Why did Obama bend over backwards for Shia Iran and is Strzok and Jarrett’s Iranian connections purely coincidental? 🤔
92. Gary

    #2767803, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    Link doesn’t work Dot
93. .

    #2767805, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    Okay
94. Baldrick

    #2767806, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    Cheers 🍻
95. .

    #2767807, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    I believe that documentary was nominated for a couple of Oscars, back when that meant something.
96. dover_beach

    #2767808, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Turnbull is a disgrace. He cowardly attacks Arch Wilson but nary said a word about Shorten while he was being investigated.
97. None

    #2767809, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Yet nobody wants to meet me.

    No one wants bare back gay gang bang at 6 am in the morning, Stimpson; nor at any other time of any other day. Don’t wonder why you are alone, now.
98. Gary

    #2767810, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Test 123
99. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2767811, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    Thanks, Dot.
100. JC

     #2767812, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:11 pm

     Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?

     His bio from Stimson’s link suggests he’s very weird. I’ve also seen stories that he never went through the regular FBI training. He was parachuted in. Stimson’s link reckons he’s a CIA/FBI operative.
101. Farmer Gez

     #2767814, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:11 pm

     Turnbull is a disgrace. He cowardly attacks Arch Wilson but nary said a word about Shorten while he was being investigated

     Separation of Church and State?
     What the f$ck does this dolt think he’s doing?
102. C.L.

     #2767816, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:12 pm

     Malcolm Turnbull has this afternoon ordered the pope to sack Archbishop Wilson.

     Malcolm Turnbull tells Pope to sack Archbishop Philip Wilson after court ruling.

     Tells.

     He was sentenced to 12 months’ detention, eligible for parole after six months, but has said he will lodge an appeal against his conviction.

     The Archbishop has refused to quit his post, and Mr Turnbull has previously said Wilson should resign — a call echoed by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and South Australian Premier Steven Marshall.

     Today the Prime Minister intensified the pressure on the Catholic Church by saying “the time has come for the Pope to sack him”.

     “There are many leaders that have called on him to resign, it is clear that he should resign,” Mr Turnbull said.

     He said it was time for “the ultimate authority in the church to take action and sack him”.
103. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767817, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:12 pm

     No one wants bare back gay gang bang at 6 am in the morning, Stimpson; nor at any other time of any other day. Don’t wonder why you are alone, now.

     Stop acting like a petulant unlikable lesbian None.
     It doesn’t suit you.
     You are better than that.
104. C.L.

     #2767818, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm

     Suprasnaps.
105. Spring is coming

     #2767819, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm

     The Commonwealth Electoral Amendmnt (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018 was introduced in the Senate last week and proposes to allow 16 and 17 yo Aust citizens to voluntarily vote in Federal and State elections.

     I expect voting intentions would be similar to ABC journalists.
106. JC

     #2767820, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm

     Stop acting like a petulant unlikable lesbian

     Huh, I have to borrow that for Monster.

     Monst, please stop acting like a petulant, unlikable, angry lesbian as it’s very unbecoming.
107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

     #2767821, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm

     Barnaby flies into WA to back farmers in live sheep row
     Nick ButterlyPerthNow
     July 19, 2018 2:40AM
     Topics
     WA News

     FORMER deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce is set to cause another headache for the Federal Government, heading to WA to back farmers battling the growing threat to the live sheep trade.

     Mr Joyce’s impending arrival in WA is causing angst among WA Nationals MPs, who were among the first to demand he resign amid the fallout from his affair with former staffer, Vicky Campion.

     Mr Joyce said if the live sheep trade was ended, the live cattle trade would be next.

     He stopped short of commenting directly on the Federal Government’s decision to revoke the export licence of WA live sheep company Emanuel Exports.

     “If you shut down the live sheep trade … the next step taken will be to shut down the cattle trade,” Mr Joyce said.

     “Then it will be the transport industry.” Mr Joyce claimed that as Federal agriculture minister he had revitalised the live trade after the Gillard government’s temporary ban on exports to Indonesia.

     Mr Joyce took aim at fellow Federal coalition MP Sussan Ley, who is pursuing a private member’s Bill to ban live sheep exports. “There are a lot of people in Sussan Ley’s electorate calling me asking what she is doing,” he said.

     Mr Joyce, who will travel to WA with Ms Campion, will join sheep farmers and industry leaders at a forum in Katanning tomorrow.

     Katanning should be a lively old place, tomorrow, particularly if the lousy Greenies turn up.
108. .

     #2767823, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:18 pm

     Spring is coming
     #2767819, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:14 pm
     The Commonwealth Electoral Amendmnt (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018 was introduced in the Senate last week and proposes to allow 16 and 17 yo Aust citizens to voluntarily vote in Federal and State elections.

     You’re joking, right?!

     Nope!

     https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2018B00114

     Commonwealth Electoral Amendment (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018

     No. , 2018

     (Senator Steele‑John)

     A Bill for an Act to amend the law relating to elections and referendums, and for related purposes

     Ho-lee-fuk.

     He isn’t joking.

     Voter registration from 14, voting from 16.

     This country is farqued.
109. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767824, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:19 pm

     None, if you want to contact me on Catallaxy Tinder you are going to have to be much nicer.
     Maybe start by complimenting my hair, or saying I look very sane today or something.
110. Tel

     #2767825, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm

     Last weeks report showed that Rich was not the source of the wikileaks emails.

     How did they show that? I presume they said it loudly three times, that usually gives fairly solid proof.
111. JC

     #2767826, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm

     Artiste

     Seymour Hersh is a leftie who used to or still writes for the New Yorker.

     Seymour Hersh at Big League Politics stating that not only was Seth Rich in contact with WikiLeaks, but that he managed to get his hands on some of the original communications between Rich and Wikileaks.

     It’s hard to find this stuff on Google as it looks like it’s been scrubbed.
112. None

     #2767827, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm

     Stop acting like a petulant unlikable lesbian None.

     You do move in interesting circles, Stimp. Social circles no sane person cares to share. Ponder that for a moment.
113. Fisky

     #2767828, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm

     Wow, the Swedish Democrats are now polling first place. Importing 100,000 Muslims a year has not turned out so well for Sweden!

     Matthew Goodwin
     ‏
     Verified account

     @GoodwinMJ
     10m10 minutes ago
     More
     The national populist Sweden Democrats are now in first place

     Source: YouGov
114. Tel

     #2767830, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:23 pm

     The Commonwealth Electoral Amendmnt (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018 was introduced in the Senate last week and proposes to allow 16 and 17 yo Aust citizens to voluntarily vote in Federal and State elections.

     Can someone just quickly outline which part of the Constitution give authority to redefine State elections?

     If such a thing exists, maybe Canberra should make themselves the only people eligible for all State elections, or would that be a bit too obvious?
115. Infidel Tiger

     #2767831, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:24 pm

     Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?

     That is almost definitely false. But even if true he did so when the Shah (the west’s dear friend) was in power and Iran was a close western ally. The same Shah that the cowardly west failed to protect and the CIA said would never be removed.
116. testpattern

     #2767832, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:27 pm

     ‘David Leyonhjelm revives fight with Sarah Hanson-Young’

     He showed her the AWB tatt on his arse, of course she was offended.
117. C.L.

     #2767833, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:28 pm

     No one wants bare back gay gang bang at 6 am in the morning, Stimpson; nor at any other time of any other day. Don’t wonder why you are alone, now.

     You really can’t step out for half a day and stay on top of this place.
118. John Constantine

     #2767835, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:29 pm

     Gotta check this a bit, but heard a suggestion that Australian unwavering capitulation to a signed Ramsar transnational convention has spun the clearances of the Murray darling basin out of Australia’s control.

     Once signed, the Ramsar convention on the Coorong waterfowl must take priority over natural and historical flow of water.

     We have signed up, must be unwavering and staunch, and if it means the rewilding of our foodbowl, we have followed fashionable decolonisation theory to get there.
119. None

     #2767836, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:31 pm

     None, if you want to contact me on Catallaxy Tinder you are going to have to be much nicer.
     Maybe start by complimenting my hair, or saying I look very sane today or something.

     You don’t have any hair, Stimps. It fell out with your teeth, remember? Plus, why would I or anyone else want to contact you on Cat Tinder? I don’t need Tinder. And you already outed yourself this morning. Maybe you should be asking dot about your looks.
120. 132andBush

     #2767837, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:32 pm

     CL,
     Stimp posted a link which is on a par with your ambushes.
121. H B Bear

     #2767838, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:33 pm

     (Senator Steele‑John)

     Green loon from WA. Bill won’t ever see the light of day.

     Another failing of the failed Senate. How the hell can Bills even be introduced in that chamber?
122. .

     #2767841, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:34 pm

     Maybe you should be asking dot about your looks.

     Crikey, ease up!

     To be very blunt, if you don’t look like Joanna Krupa and you’re not a biological woman, I’m probably not interested.
123. Armadillo

     #2767842, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:34 pm

     Stimpson J. Cat
     #2767787, posted on July 19, 2018 at 5:44 pm
     Have you heard about Strozok apparently growing up in Iran?

     Peter Strzok would have been about the same age as Mrs A. Understandably, she doesn’t recall him (left Iran when she was 14). She went to the British Embassy school, he went to the American school. She recalls going to the American school for the cross country. She recalls the jube mentioned in the article. Our house here bears the same name but pronounced phonetically (Shimran – or resting place in Farsi).

     Shame the FIL and MIL are long dead. I reckon they would have known Peter Strozok Snr. They used to go to the American Embassy often, and there were plenty of shady characters hanging about. Nothing would surprise me in the least.

     The linked story seems to indicate that Strzok Snr was sympathetic to the mullahs. The FIL was shown the cable from Washington advising the Shah to crush the revolution in the bazaar with the Army. That didn’t work out too well. I’d be a bit sceptical that Strzoc Snr was on the side of the mullahs when you consider Carter was in the WH.

     Then again, there was also a general feeling that with the massive oil revenues, the Shah was getting “too big for his boots”. The “deep state” has always existed. Looking at current events, the new breed (like the old breed) seem to think that “I know best”.

     You see it in Peter Strzok’s appearance before Congress. He can’t imagine he’s done the slightest thing wrong. In fact, he’s Captain America, protecting the public. He honestly believes that.
124. None

     #2767843, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:35 pm

     You really can’t step out for half a day and stay on top of this place.

     You can step out – just don’t click Stimp’s links when you return.
125. testpattern

     #2767845, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm

     When whales fight the krill get hurt. Donald goes Biiig Shrimpin’ and wrecks an industry –

     Bad Donald –

     Texas shrimp industry crippled by immigrant visa cap

     ‘The Texas shrimp industry is facing a worker shortage as a result of the federal cap on U.S. visas for immigrant seasonal workers…Hance said lacking 750 people from Mexico or Central America is crippling the Texas seafood industry. Most of the state shrimp industry’s workers come from Mexico.’

     https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article214964450.html

     But good Donald –

     La. shrimp industry representatives welcome Trump tariffs action.

     ‘Louisiana shrimp industry representatives welcomed the Trump administration’s announcement today that it will impose tariffs on Chinese seafood imports.

     ‘Members of the Louisiana Shrimp Task Force, meeting in Houma, said they are considering a push for similar 10 percent tariffs on other top countries that send shrimp to the U.S., including India, Indonesia and Vietnam.’

     O-oh, bad Donald again –

     ‘ “The misguided strategy, that sees the U.S. and [China] placing unwarranted tariffs on the other’s seafood products, will only hurt workers and consumers in their own countries,” group President John Connelly said today in a prepared statement. “American jobs at processing plants throughout the country are at risk of losing raw material from China. That means American workers suffer.”

     Tariffs amount to taxes on American consumers that limit choice, he said. Chinese consumers will also be deprived of Maine lobsters, squid from New Jersey and California and cod, pollock and salmon from Alaska.’

     http://www.dailycomet.com/news/20180711/la-shrimp-industry-representatives-welcome-trump-tariffs

     Maybe he just cares too much.
126. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767846, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm

     You don’t have any hair, Stimps. It fell out with your teeth, remember? Plus, why would I or anyone else want to contact you on Cat Tinder? I don’t need Tinder. And you already outed yourself this morning. Maybe you should be asking dot about your looks.

     You seem very upset with me.
     An almost Grigs Tier rage.
     Why is that?
     If this is about Rae and NumptyJatz then that was all IT’s fault.
127. Armadillo

     #2767847, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm

     A lot of these guys are arrogant narcissists. And there are plenty on both sides of the political divide.
128. Oh come on

     #2767849, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:40 pm

     It’s been a while since OWG was shitcanned. Has Arma been confirmed in the role of the night shift Ambien poster?
129. Geriatric Mayfly

     #2767850, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:40 pm

     “I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college.”

     The Magic Negro, just like our Davey, another keen backpacker taking in the delights of a world premier rathole.
     🎵🎶🎵 I feel a song coming on: I love to go a wandering, along the old goat track, And as I go, I love to sing, My knapsack on my back.
130. None

     #2767851, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:41 pm

     You seem very upset with me.

     ????? ROFL Have another shot of amyl nitrite and come at me again.
131. Makka

     #2767852, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:41 pm

     Texas shrimp industry crippled by immigrant visa cap

     Lol. Looks like the employers of cheap labour will have to pony up real wages. Shocking.
132. Entropy

     #2767853, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:42 pm

     calli
     #2767246, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:08 am
     Entropy, what happened to your ‘y’? You have the best name on the interwebs.

     Bring back the y I say!

     If you can’t afford it, we can CrowdFund you

     Accidentally erased, like my lifestyle.
133. Gary

     #2767854, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:43 pm

     .
     #2767841, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:34 pm
     Maybe you should be asking dot about your looks.
     Crikey, ease up!
     To be very blunt, if you don’t look like Joanna Krupa and you’re not a biological woman, I’m probably not interested.

     So Stimp has a chance?
134. dopey

     #2767855, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:43 pm

     No more smoked salmon from Tas.
135. .

     #2767856, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:43 pm

     testpattern
     #2767832, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:27 pm
     ‘David Leyonhjelm revives fight with Sarah Hanson-Young’

     He showed her the AWB tatt on his arse, of course she was offended.

     A typical, nonsensical and defamatory comment from a white leftist & hypocrite incapable of independent though other than the next scam in the Aboriginal industry.
136. Myrddin Seren

     #2767857, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:44 pm

     Have another shot of amyl nitrite and come at me again.

     I knew no good would come from Stimpy’s ‘Love Story’ Tweet……
137. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767858, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:45 pm

     come at me again.

     First it’s no, then it’s yes, make up your mind woman.
138. Armadillo

     #2767860, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:46 pm

     Has Arma been confirmed in the role of the night shift Ambien poster?

     I’m way too lazy for that. Just the occasional alcohol induced bender shift.

     It’s not as if Sinc can afford to pay me now that IT has threatened to withdraw his funding.
139. Some History

     #2767861, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:47 pm

     areff
     #2767243, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:05 am
     If further confirmation of Australian journalism’s disgrace and self-debasement were needed, know that Jane Caro has just been awarded a Walkley for “women’s leadership in media”.
     http://www.walkleys.com/awards/walkley-womens-leadership-award/
     

     Simon Crapman was front runner for the “women’s leadership in media” award. He’ll be very disappointed. Crapman just lurves awards, maybe as much as Mike “the superhero” Drab. But it’s his pet cane toad and feminist/antismoking buddy, Jane Haro, that did win. That’ll be some consolation.
140. Senile Old Guy

     #2767862, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:48 pm

     Once signed, the Ramsar convention on the Coorong waterfowl must take priority over natural and historical flow of water.

     No, the government can choose what to do. They approved mining in Kakadu.
141. Roger

     #2767865, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:51 pm

     Separation of Church and State?
     What the f$ck does this dolt think he’s doing?

     Scoring some cheap political points.
142. None

     #2767866, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:51 pm

     First it’s no, then it’s yes, make up your mind woman

     Stop flirting with me, Stimps. Or else try a singles’ bar. This is Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog (which does make me wonder what’s following).
143. Some History

     #2767867, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:55 pm

     SF Dept. of Elections issues board of education voter registration forms for some non-citizens
     SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — Monday the Department of Elections Issued Voter Registration Forms for non-citizens who are eligible to vote for members of the San Francisco Board of Education in the November 6th 2018 election. The measure passed in 2016 with a close vote of 54 percent to 46 percent following two failed previous attempts.
     

     San Francisco has a new tourist “initiative”.

     https://imgur.com/PIevJA0
144. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767868, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:56 pm

     Stop flirting with me, Stimps.

     You desperately called out for my attention first you Muppet when you posted at me.
     If you don’t want to talk to me, then don’t talk to me.
     Honestly some women.
     Just minding my own business and they have to make a scene.
145. None

     #2767870, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:57 pm

     Scoring some cheap political points.

     people at different times in different parts of the world fought very hard for separation of Church and state in order to keep the state out of the church. In other words in order to keep people like Turnbull out of everybody else’s business. It doesn’t matter if you love him or loathe him or are entirely different to him -Archbishop Wilson is perfectly entitled to appeal and he has every right to due process. Also he is continuing as Archbishop whether he has stepped down or not is entirely a matter for the Catholic Church and its faithful of which Turnbull is not one.
146. None

     #2767872, posted on July 19, 2018 at 6:59 pm

     Just minding my own business and they have to make a scene.

     Maybe think twice about the sorts of links you post, Stimps if you don’t want any blow back.
147. max

     #2767873, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:01 pm

     SBS News reporting tonight on the Philip Wilson case: another senior figure implicated. More tomorrow night.

     Catholics need to understand that this scandal will never be allowed to vanish. No apology, no compensation, no abject repentance by the church will be sufficient.

     I hope Wilson does not resign.

     The church needs another Mannix, someone to announce it is establishing its own enquiry into sexual abuse within the Australian Labor Party and media organisations, especially the ABC and SBS.
148. Shy Ted

     #2767874, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:01 pm

     I know The Guardian is wall to wall Shiite but really, they paid for this???
     This is the inspiration. How did Tom miss this masterpiece?
149. stackja

     #2767875, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:03 pm

     MT and Philip Wilson. MT seeking a diversion from revelation of his get TA campaign?
150. Serena at the Pub

     #2767877, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:06 pm

     Our SpecOps guys would have had Monis on a gurney and on the way to the morgue before the cops had their 2nd doughnut, but were denied the task due to egotistical politicians in police incompetency.

     I’d like to have been there when the Police Officer handing over to the incoming Army crew said “By the way, the terrorist inside the café is the bloke who’s been going around to funerals of Army KIA and giving those “Nyah nyah nyah your fag son deserved it” letters to the mother of the deceased.”
151. Myrddin Seren

     #2767878, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:06 pm

     Vale Godfrey Elfwick – too woke for Twitter.
152. Spring is coming

     #2767880, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:06 pm

     Lowering the voting age Bill

     http://Www.aph.gov.au/votingage

     On 25 June 2018, the Senate referred the Bill to the committee for inquiry and report.

     Submissions close on 10 August 2018
153. .

     #2767881, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:07 pm

     SBS News reporting tonight on the Philip Wilson case: another senior figure implicated. More tomorrow night.

     Um, it is past trial and conviction and nearing appeals. What they’re saying is a bit odd.
154. Stimpson J. Cat

     #2767882, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:08 pm

     Maybe think twice about the sorts of links you post, Stimps if you don’t want any blow back.

     And this is why I can’t take you seriously.
     No sense of humour at all.
     Jesus Christ stop wasting my time.
155. stackja

     #2767883, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:08 pm

     Canberra public servant, on remand in Darwin, refused bail for a second time as he awaits trial on stalking charges
     CRAIG DUNLOP, NT News
     July 19, 2018 3:55pm
     Subscriber only

     A CANBERRA public servant, who was extradited on a string of stalking charges in May, has again been refused bail and police have revealed they expect his charge sheet to grow.

     Paul Anthony Bennett, 54, will remain behind bars after Local Court Judge Dick Wallace said there were no bail conditions he could think of which would adequately protect the community or Bennett’s alleged victims from potential reoffending.

     Shane McMaster, for Bennett, said the public servant’s brother and a friend had each offered to put up $20,000 bail guarantees, and that Bennett could live with his mother until his case went to trial.

     Crown Prosecutor Mary Chalmers said the case against Bennett was “very strong”.

     “Mr Bennett has left a very rich trail of evidence,” she said.

     The court heard on Wednesday police had sent evidence off to handwriting experts, were having letters tested for DNA, and were continuing to examine Bennett’s laptops and mobile phones.

     Ms Chalmers said Bennett’s alleged victim would fear for her safety if he was released.

     “It has been conveyed to me and it should be plainly obvious in any event that this woman would have serious concerns for her emotional and physical safety should this man be released,” she said.
156. stackja

     #2767884, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:09 pm

     ‘Rubbish warrior’ declared the Northern Territory’s first vexatious litigant
     JASON WALLS, NT News
     34 minutes ago
     Subscriber only

     “RUBBISH warrior” and serial pest Trevor Jenkins has been declared the Northern Territory’s first vexatious litigant by the Supreme Court.

     In banning Jenkins from bringing virtually any further proceedings in Territory courts, Acting Chief Justice Stephen Southwood said his defence of the latest proceeding epitomised “the angry man syndrome” amounting to “an admission of the allegations made against him”.

     In a scathing decision, Justice Southwood said Jenkins had “told a number lies” and “behaved in a contemptuous and scandalous manner” throughout the hearing.

     “His oral submissions were frequently nothing more than very loud, agitated and abusive gabbling,” he said.

     “The written materials which comprised the written evidence which he has tendered and his written submissions are largely incoherent or indecipherable.

     “Much of the material does not contain properly constructed sentences or paragraphs, and a significant amount of the material is unreadable. Virtually all of it is irrelevant.”

     Justice Southwood said Jenkins had “even behaved in a violent manner” at times during the proceeding, including throwing books onto the bar table, breaking opposing lawyer Ruth Brebner’s glasses.
157. H B Bear

     #2767885, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:10 pm

     LOL the Walkleys, like everything the Left touches, are now a hollowed out version of whatever the hell they once were. A union circle jerk.

     Caro as Frightbat-in-Chief is a good choice though. Sorry Clammy.
158. None

     #2767886, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:10 pm

     Stimps, the lack of humour here is yours.
159. cohenite

     #2767887, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:11 pm

     Bolt interviewing the mesmerising Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux about the police bills in victoriastan. She is very impressive.
160. None

     #2767888, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:14 pm

     Interesting. If anything else this confirms ABC’s witchhunt against Catholic clergy in this case Wilson
     https://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=56055
     The victim’s response is aggressive and at times strange. I have no doubt they were a victim – Fletcher was an absolute low-life – another accusation or memorues are very contestable.
161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

     #2767889, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:14 pm

     I’d like to have been there when the Police Officer handing over to the incoming Army crew said “By the way, the terrorist inside the café is the bloke who’s been going around to funerals of Army KIA and giving those “Nyah nyah nyah your fag son deserved it” letters to the mother of the deceased.”

     We gave him a culturally sensitive funeral – threw a dead pig into the grave, and poured a bottle of cheap spirits over the sad remains.
162. None

     #2767890, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:16 pm

     “RUBBISH warrior” and serial pest Trevor Jenkins has been declared the Northern Territory’s first vexatious litigant by the Supreme Court.

     I can think of to vexatious litigants in New South Wales who need to be constrained by the supreme court but unfortunately they are aided and abetted by New South Wales government bodies as well as the New South Wales liberal government. It is beyond scandal, it is simple corruption in my view.
163. cohenite

     #2767891, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:19 pm

     Naturally Bolt is picking up on Molyneux’s views about different IQs between races and their possible incentive to tattooed skinheads such as Patriot Blue members going out and being racist.
164. None

     #2767893, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:21 pm

     MT and Philip Wilson. MT seeking a diversion from revelation of his get TA campaign?

     Possible. Frankly if I was MT’s bishop I would just excommunicate him formally and publicly even though he has in fact excommunicated himself many times over.
165. testpattern

     #2767898, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:33 pm

     areff
     #2767243, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:05 am
     ‘If further confirmation of Australian journalism’s disgrace and self-debasement were needed, know that Jane Caro has just been awarded a Walkley for “women’s leadership in media”.’

     The late L.Jackson got a Walkley for distributing propaganda for the 2006 coup d’etat in Timor, presenting the ludicrous ‘death squad’ scenario written by a few Catholic priests and underlings for Railos to smear Rogerio Lobato and the Alkatiri Govt. The original scenario had two fictional death squads – Railos leading the first and Roque the second to eliminate the first and cover up the ‘evidence’. They were advised that two death squads was over the top and the Aust media wouldn’t swallow it so wisely went with just the one. They even went to Bangkok to clone simcards and send fake ‘Camarada’ messages from Rogerio. One of the plotters was Rogerio’s nephew from Bazartete who wanted to oust him so he could grab his uncle’s coffee plantation. Some of Rogerio’s family were burned alive in Dili and one fled to Darwin to seek temporary sanctuary. Four Corners gave this propaganda credibility and indeed ‘Stoking the Fires’ as she called her nasty little program, is exactly what Jackson did. Once the ‘death squad’ was given credibility, then their ‘death list’ was likewise, and lotta people got scared. Running propaganda for the Catholic Church, Jakarta and Gusmao to roll an ex commo using ethnic violence. Yep deserves a Walkley ABC!

     ps. Rogerio’s nephew [an ex Seminarian who doubled as a leader of the biggest gang in Timor based in Madium East Java] became a Minister for his services to the coup, and Roque is currently a member of the Security and Intelligence Committee. Jackson coulda got a job as Chefe de Propaganda.
166. Senile Old Guy

     #2767899, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm

     The book on the siege by Snow shows that the police bungled badly for hours, worse than I could have imagined.
167. Tel

     #2767901, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:38 pm

     Naturally Bolt is picking up on Molyneux’s views about different IQs between races and their possible incentive to tattooed skinheads such as Patriot Blue members going out and being racist

     Personally, one of the things that annoys me about Molyneux is how much he bangs on about the whole IQ issue. The guy wants to be some kind of philosopher, everything comes from “reason and evidence” must have absolute facts, yadda, yadda.

     Now the fact about IQ is that the score means exactly one thing: how well you can pass IQ tests. That’s all it is.

     People have found correlation between IQ test results and long term success, but it’s not strong, generally estimated at between 20% and 30% correlation, and that’s when the IQ test is tuned to the same culture. When you look at some of the most spectacularly successful people in business they have not been high academic performers either, like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, even Rockefeller.

     Molyneux claims there’s no possible way to study in order to improve your IQ, but the “reason and evidence” of actual IQ tests show that in America the black people have been steadily improving their IQ scores as if by magic as time passes (well they have become better at passing IQ tests, make of that what you will).

     I’m not trying to say that IQ tests are completely irrelevant but the variation between individuals is much, much larger than the shift in the mean between racial groups, and over time these have not been constant. Definitely some individuals are more successful than others, but race is a poor predictor of IQ and IQ is a poor predictor of success. It just isn’t worth banging that drum all the time, when there are much better known and more useful factors such as how much effort people put into achievement, their personal strategy towards success, whether they spend their time envious of others, and how well they get along with other people.
168. .

     #2767903, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:39 pm

     Great commentary, Tel.
169. hzhousewife

     #2767905, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:39 pm

     The Commonwealth Electoral Amendmnt (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018 was introduced in the Senate last week and proposes to allow 16 and 17 yo Aust citizens to voluntarily vote in Federal and State elections.

     The age of adulthood can then be reduced to 16 for criminal action.

     Stephan Molyneux looked healthily tanned and properly shaved, for a change.
170. None

     #2767906, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:43 pm

     The Commonwealth Electoral Amendmnt (Lowering Voting Age and Increasing Voter Participation) Bill 2018 was introduced in the Senate last week and proposes to allow 16 and 17 yo Aust citizens to voluntarily vote in Federal and State elections.

     another orwellian bill name in a country which has compulsory voting full stop my f****** way do I want 16 and 17 year olds voting. I am almost inclined to go back to the system of one vote per household.
171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

     #2767907, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:46 pm

     The book on the siege by Snow shows that the police bungled badly for hours, worse than I could have imagined.

     It’s almost a primer on “How Not to Manage A Siege” and the police psychiatrist “Brian” who “formed the view that Monis was unlikely to commit a direct act of violence without being given the full dossier, including details of Monis’s sexual assault charges, seems typical of the management.
172. hzhousewife

     #2767908, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:49 pm

     The book on the siege by Snow shows that the police bungled badly for hours, worse than I could have imagined.

     I was in a place where that whole siege was on tv ALL DAY and by 11 am we we saying to each other why the hell hasn’t the place been raided – it was excrutiating. To think that they KNEW who the bastard was and still couldn’t end it, is astonishing to me. Been watching too much tv I suppose, but surely there is some kind of tear gas equivalent that can knock out a room full of people, enought to go in and nab the perp. What an unadulterated mess that siege was.
173. dover_beach

     #2767909, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:50 pm

     IQ is probably only useful when considering populations.
174. Senile Old Guy

     #2767910, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:52 pm

     ZK2A, yes. I am only about a third of the way into it but the number of stuff ups so far is extraordinary, including the psychiatrist. Numerous communication breakdowns, of which that was one.
175. None

     #2767911, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:53 pm

     Molyneux is a conspiracy theorist and borderline cult figure wannabe. Lauren Southern is just a big mouth 23 year old who has latched onto the right things to say in order to appeal to the right and relieve them of their cash. She reminds me of the quintessential millennial who after some early success at something thinks they have arrived and know it all ( that other young woman that Bolt features regularly is also quite flaky but at less millenial). Anyway neither Moltnesux nor Southern has any depth; neither of them actually says something worth listening to; both of them need to get a job, take on some real responsibility and join the real world.
176. Spring is coming

     #2767912, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:53 pm

     Lowering Voting Age

     Note the Bill is for Voluntary voting for 16 – 17 yo.

     Bring it on but make it voluntary for all!

     That would make the lefties tremble.
177. .

     #2767913, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:54 pm

     I was in a place where that whole siege was on tv ALL DAY and by 11 am we we saying to each other why the hell hasn’t the place been raided – it was excrutiating. To think that they KNEW who the bastard was and still couldn’t end it, is astonishing to me. Been watching too much tv I suppose, but surely there is some kind of tear gas equivalent that can knock out a room full of people, enought to go in and nab the perp. What an unadulterated mess that siege was.

     I have heard scuttlebutt from reputable third parties that there was a fear he had a dead man’s switch.

     Blow his brains out with a 30 cal from a sniper and then the fear was the whole joint would be blown to smithereens.

     Anyway: I think the SAS would have done better than the police unit.
178. .

     #2767914, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:57 pm

     I tend to agree with you None. Molyneux is not that impressive to me.*

     Southern might have been an opportunist but I think she has done good work in exposing the violence and moral grandstanding from the left.

     *On the other hand, I think Peterson is individually brilliant, his message, however, is fairly “common sense” to me. It is just that identity politics make him seem downright radical.
179. Steve trickler

     #2767915, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:57 pm

     Owen Benjamin runs amok.

     
     
     

     He’s good.
180. Spring is coming

     #2767916, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:57 pm

     Sir

     Can I have a new Open Forum thread?

     This one is getting big and bloated much like their ABC

     Thanking you kindly your Lordship
181. Delta A

     #2767918, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:00 pm

     I think the SAS would have done better than the police unit.

     The Murrurundi CWA would have done better than the police unit.
182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

     #2767919, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:02 pm

     Anyway: I think the SAS would have done better than the police unit.

     Two Commando, from Holsworthy, would have got the task – they had constructed a replica of the cafe, and spent six hours working out how to storm the place.
183. Mater

     #2767920, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:04 pm

     I have heard scuttlebutt from reputable third parties that there was a fear he had a dead man’s switch.

     How many escaped hostages did they need to discount that?
     Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
184. None

     #2767921, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:04 pm

     Myrddin Seren

     #2767878, posted on July 19, 2018 at 7:06 pm

     Vale Godfrey Elfwick – too woke for Twitter.

     Permanent this time? Twitter has succeeded in permanently suspending the funniest and the most informative tweeps while leaving behind a bunch of beige bores and the foul-mouthed unhinged.
185. C.L.

     #2767922, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:08 pm

     women’s leadership in media

     Isn’t that nice. They have a Special award for lady journalists.
186. max

     #2767923, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:08 pm

     Bruce of WA, where are you, cobber ?

     Hope all is well.
187. Mitch M.

     #2767926, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:10 pm

     like Bill Gates

     Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. His IQ is around 160. He bought a DOS off CPM for nickel and dimes because those hippies didn’t see the value. Nor did IBM execs, who thought the money was in hardware and when Gate’s mother arranged an interview for her son with them he walked out laughing all the way to the bank. When Microsoft started Gates was examining most of the code. He was brilliant and like so many brilliant people he didn’t need a formal education to exercise his talents. There is even the suggestion that a high IQ, above 150, can make it difficult for the individual to interact with others because such persons think so differently. It will surprise some to learn that academia is very political but it won’t surprise them to know that high IQ people don’t suffer fools gladly and are often adverse to the dishonesty of political machinations.

     Combine IQ with conscientious and the correlation becomes much higher. IQ alone remains a good predictor but conscientious is perhaps higher. I’m not surprised by that, 90% of most work is just grunt work, just going through the motions, it has little to do with intelligence. That is one big reason why conscientiousness is so important, to be successful we need to persevere with the very boring stuff.

     Terman long ago demonstrated high IQ does not equate with professional success, in fact many studied held very mundane jobs. However those that went into academia did exceptionally well. There a number of possible reasons for that but using those individuals to argue IQ isn’t a significant factor is not one of those reasons. IQ is not just a measure of how well one can do IQ tests. Spearman’s G remains a valid concept.

     “Molyneux claims there’s no possible way to study in order to improve your IQ”

     Obviously he has never heard of the practice effect. Not very smart of him.

     On the race-IQ question I still don’t know. Developmental contingencies have enough causation to account for the differences. Lobster Peterson won’t even address the question because he too has concerns that perhaps it is significant. He argues that IQ is the single best psychometric ever created. So in one of those rare moments I am in agreement with him.
188. Gab

     #2767927, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:14 pm

     Excellent comment, Tel on IQ.

     I would add that we never hear of stories about people with high IQs that never amounted to much.
189. Mater

     #2767928, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:14 pm

     The police psychiatrist “Brian” who “formed the view that Monis was unlikely to commit a direct act of violence”

     …and if that doesn’t convince you not to go in, we reckon he’s got a ‘deadmans switch’ and will blow the place up.

     Consistency?
190. None

     #2767929, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:14 pm

     In 2014, it’s alleged Turnbull government minister Alex Hawke and senior NSW MPs Ray Williams­, Pru Goward, Scott Farlow and Natasha Maclaren-Jones attempted to influence a free vote on the issue in their favour.

     yeah the wonderful Liberal Party who has fought so hard to deny their own members I vote is very very keen to respect yours. Not. NsW Liberals are corrupt.
191. Boambee John

     #2767930, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:15 pm

     hzhousewife
     
     The age of adulthood can then be reduced to 16 for criminal action.

     Also future conscription, drinking, smoking (get Simon Crapman onto that one), full driving licences and probably a few other things.

     The fascist left try this one on every couple of years. Maybe they will succeed this time.
192. Gab

     #2767931, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:16 pm

     Isn’t that nice. They have a Special award for lady journalists.

     If it’s a pair of Louboutin stilettos then my next profession will be journalism 🙂
193. Peter Castieau

     #2767932, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:17 pm

     http://catallaxyfiles.com/2018/07/18/wednesday-forum-july-18-2018/comment-page-5/#comment-2767838

     I got more primary votes than he did in 2016. Don’t you hate that?
194. None

     #2767933, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:17 pm

     IQ tests are meaningless and very much culturally contungent. Anyone who bangs on about IQ tests is automatically borderline looney in my opinion. That includes Molyneaux.
195. Gab

     #2767934, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:19 pm

     Outing your fellow Cat is a dog thing to do, so please don’t do it.

     From Sinclair on the no comments thread. Is that why Joanna got smoted?
196. Frank

     #2767935, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:19 pm

     I’m not sure the Tasmanian government has thought this through. Doesn’t their greatest son – Bob Brown – burn logs in the fire-place of his homo love-nest? Oh dear.

     The Australian had an article in it years ago about how Bob had donated said shack to the National Trust or whatever it is called.

     The shed he underwent the long dark night of the soul in before emerging like a great big beautiful butterfly onto the world as the Bob we all know and revere.

     That sort of stuff is usually done posthumously, in particular by others that don’t want to get stuck with upkeep. Doing it yourself smacks of messianic self delusion. He must really think people will be coming from the mainland to meditate on his Bobness in the front yard or something.

     And yes, it had a long fire too.
197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

     #2767936, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:20 pm

     Consistency?

     It seems nobody bothered to pass onto the police negotiators that three very prominent Muslims, including the Grand Mufti, had offered to talk to the attacker, and tell him that what he was doing was wrong, and un – Islamic
198. Gab

     #2767937, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:21 pm

     I got more primary votes than he did in 2016. Don’t you hate that?

     I loathe that! it’s beyond hate.
199. Farmer Gez

     #2767938, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:22 pm

     There is even the suggestion that a high IQ, above 150, can make it difficult for the individual to interact with others because such persons think so differently.

     Rae and nemkat will be dining out on that observation. Table for one?
200. Boambee John

     #2767939, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:24 pm

     None at 2014

     I suspect that TA is pushing for necessary democratic change in the NSW Liberals for two reasons.

     First to get the issue into the minds of ordinary party members and the public, so raising doubts about the ethics of the party machine.

     Second to provoke them to disendorse or expel him so he can run as an independent (or perhaps AC) on a reform platform.
201. Peter Castieau

     #2767940, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:27 pm

     Re Sinclairs post, I decided after running in 2016 and having an ongoing interest in standing again that being anonymous for me had passed.

     Love this place and depending on things my posts may be less frequent or more frequent as things progress.
202. Frank

     #2767941, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:27 pm

     The correlation between high IQ and achievement would be less obvious than the correlation between low IQ and lack of achievement.
203. Leigh Lowe

     #2767942, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:28 pm

     Mater

     #2767920, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:04 pm

     I have heard scuttlebutt from reputable third parties that there was a fear he had a dead man’s switch.

     How many escaped hostages did they need to discount that?
     Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.

     Exactly.
     A few five minute interviews focused whether he was carrying some sort of device which he had never put down … or same for the bag … could have eliminated that as a possibility.
     If 3 or 4 witnesses can confirm that he has left the bag alone and wasn’t carrying a device in his hand then they can discount the dead man’s switch theory.
     Sounds like a retrospectively created cause for inaction.
204. Leigh Lowe

     #2767944, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:30 pm

     Peter, choosing to disclose your identity is very different to someone trying to triangulate identity via various clues laid down here, or disclosing personal details from a catch-up.
205. cohenite

     #2767945, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:32 pm

     Definitely some individuals are more successful than others, but race is a poor predictor of IQ and IQ is a poor predictor of success.

     Biology may play a part. For example, men are more likely to have higher IQs than women. Estimates drawn from a bell curve show that 1.438 times more men than women will have an IQ over 120, and 2.525 times more men will have an IQ over 140.

     Yet men are now actively discriminated against in STEM fields to make up for the fewer numbers of women in these high-IQ college programs and professions. The probable outcome to this is that lower-IQ women are selected over higher-IQ men due to discrimination against men. Already, fewer men are now choosing to go to college, and the ratio of women over men on university campuses is nearly 2:1.

     Culture and ideology are also important in respect of how intelligence as measured by IQ is expressed.

     But there can be no doubt IQ bell curves differ across racial and ethnic groups although whether environment such as nutrition, education and social status play a part is problematic.
206. None

     #2767946, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:32 pm

     Boambee – Tony Abbott is married to the liberal party and has been since his youth. I think the first reason you gave is a possibility. When he became parliamentary party leader he use whatever authority he had to oust corrupt people and lobbyists and developers like Photius from the organisational party machine but of course Turnbull let them all back in. I’m not too sure that Abbott would run as an independent or for the AC. Like I said, he’s married to the Liberals and he also plays a very long game. I have no doubt that he has a huge ego and plays hard ball – in fact no one can survive politics without either of those two attributes – but I do think he is genuinely concerned about some aspects of our decreasing democracy even if I don’t necessarily agree with some of his appeasement tactics in the past. He more or less said today that there are a small number of New South Wales Libs who are – and here I paraphrase -: corrupt. I would say there is now a significant number of Liberals in all branches of the Party who are really just in it for themselves and that the Liberals are irredeemable.
207. Peter Castieau

     #2767947, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:34 pm

     LL

     Indeed, and I’m assuming that this has happened before? Perhaps I should pay more attention.

     Despicable.
208. candy

     #2767948, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:34 pm

     Boambee
     I really hope it is to provoke them and he can lead the Aust Conservatives. He is not getting any younger.
209. None

     #2767949, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:35 pm

     IQ tests and associated accoutrements were all the rage when eugenics was at it’s height in the 1940s – that’s also when organisations such as MENSA started. All borderline nutter stuff now.
210. Peter Castieau

     #2767950, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:37 pm

     I think AbbottSatan 666 is far too wedded to the Liberal party to ever jump.
211. Mater

     #2767951, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:38 pm

     Peter, choosing to disclose your identity is very different to someone trying to triangulate identity via various clues laid down here, or disclosing personal details from a catch-up.

     Death Giraffe is in trouble.
     There can’t be that many Red rimmed, T Model Fords being driven around by a Leprechaun!
212. Steve trickler

     #2767953, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:39 pm

     Lauren Southern states her position.

     
     
     
213. candy

     #2767954, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:39 pm

     I like Johanna and Des D. Their sharing of APS stuff is a must read. Johanna took the time also to relay events of the union RC.
214. cohenite

     #2767955, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:40 pm

     “Molyneux claims there’s no possible way to study in order to improve your IQ”

     Obviously he has never heard of the practice effect. Not very smart of him.

     I can see what he is getting at. You have a biologically determined capacity; this applies to both physical and intellectual abilities. Whether you develop them or not, through exercise or study or practice, is a product of both character, nutrition and social opportunity.
215. Leigh Lowe

     #2767956, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:41 pm

     Death Giraffe is in trouble.
     There can’t be that many Red rimmed, T Model Fords being driven around by a Leprechaun!

     It’s a model A.
     Rego … DG-666.
216. C.L.

     #2767958, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:44 pm

     Gab, thanks for recommending Paul, Apostle of Christ.
     Enjoyed it a lot – and learned from it.
217. Mater

     #2767960, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:45 pm

     It’s a model A.

     Ahhh, maybe he will get away with it.
218. C.L.

     #2767961, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:46 pm

     Tal, are you out there?
     Hello, if so.
219. Rockdoctor

     #2767962, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:46 pm

     On Lindt Cafe I don’t know much but as one of the great unwashed the appearances weren’t good reminded me of the botched Phillipino operation to free hostages on a bus years ago. Friend of mine who has done live operational building clearences overseas said that it was very ordinary but in all fairness he said we don’t know what political pressure these guys were under and that what he calls the method of entry was the main problem losing all momentum in not committing to the fight.
220. candy

     #2767963, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:47 pm

     They don’t want him though, Peter C. It’s like hanging onto a relationship where the other person is over you. Just leave.
221. Oh come on

     #2767964, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:50 pm

     Of course Molyneux is a creepy cult leader. It’s a fact he’s a cult leader, and it’s obvious he’s as creepy as hell by watching him on YouTube.

     And he’s an intellectual blowhard who thinks he’s much smarter than he actually is.
222. Gab

     #2767965, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:54 pm

     CL I also learned from the filum. And it certainly made the apostles quite real to me. I won’t say more here as it upsets the atheists so.
223. .

     #2767966, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:54 pm

     Thoughts on Moly-new

     https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateFascism/comments/4emu6r/thoughts_on_stefan_molyneux/
224. Anne

     #2767967, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:56 pm

     R is the new Q.

     Same as the old Q.

     JFK Jnr!
225. Mitch M.

     #2767968, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:56 pm

     I can see what he is getting at. You have a biologically determined capacity; this applies to both physical and intellectual abilities. Whether you develop them or not, through exercise or study or practice, is a product of both character, nutrition and social opportunity.

     I don’t know if the following has stood the test of time but it makes sense to me. Lewontin argued that during the developmental periods, and I suspect especially before puberty, failure to stimulate brain function reduced intellectual potential, though he had in mind prefrontal cortical size I suspect it is generalizable to the whole brain.

     Technically the “practice effect” relates to psychometric testing being spaced at appropriate intervals so the individual does practice enough to become skilled at the test but you are correct to see it in more general terms.

     Biology may play a part. For example, men are more likely to have higher IQs than women. Estimates drawn from a bell curve show that 1.438 times more men than women will have an IQ over 120, and 2.525 times more men will have an IQ over 140.

     Steven Pinker sums up that data with the phrase: more prodigies, more idiots. Males tend to have more severe neurodevelopmental disorders and at higher rates(schizophrenia, ADHD, and autism). That might relate to the shutting down of most of the genes on the X chromosome, hence one less efficacious allele on the Y can’t be counteracted by the inactivated X allele. For females the curve has a higher volume out to 2Ds.

     I find it inconceivable that biology is irrelevant to the majority of our traits.
226. Oh come on

     #2767969, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:57 pm

     Um thanks for that, Annester.
227. Boambee John

     #2767970, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:58 pm

     Peter Castieau
     #2767950, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:37 pm
     I think AbbottSatan 666 is far too wedded to the Liberal party to ever jump.

     But what if he were pushed?
228. Gab

     #2767972, posted on July 19, 2018 at 8:59 pm

     Lauren Southern states her position.

     She’s very good and Cory Bernadi was excellent as well.
229. cohenite

     #2767973, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:00 pm

     Great essay On trump in the context of the recent Putin incident:

     Everyone is smart except Donald J. Trump.

     Dov Fischer The American Spectator July 18, 2018,

     That’s why they all are billionaires and all got elected President. Only Trump does not know what he is doing. Only Trump does not know how to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Anderson Cooper knows how to stand up to Putin. The whole crowd at MSNBC does. All the journalists do.
230. Boambee John

     #2767974, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:00 pm

     And would AC want him?
231. cohenite

     #2767976, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:05 pm

     I don’t know if the following has stood the test of time but it makes sense to me. Lewontin argued that during the developmental periods, and I suspect especially before puberty, failure to stimulate brain function reduced intellectual potential, though he had in mind prefrontal cortical size I suspect it is generalizable to the whole brain.

     Critical periods; Lorenz, Montessori etc.

     In developmental psychology and developmental biology, a critical period is a maturational stage in the lifespan of an organism during which the nervous system is especially sensitive to certain environmental stimuli. If, for some reason, the organism does not receive the appropriate stimulus during this “critical period” to learn a given skill or trait, it may be difficult, ultimately less successful, or even impossible, to develop some functions later in life. Functions that are indispensable to an organism’s survival, such as vision, are particularly likely to develop during critical periods. “Critical period” also relates to the ability to acquire one’s first language. Researchers found that people who passed the “critical period” would not acquire their first language fluently
232. Top Ender

     #2767977, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:05 pm

     “They drove a car across Darwin Harbour – on the seabed” was legendary in the NT diving community when I first started researching shipwrecks there in 1988.
233. John Constantine

     #2767978, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:08 pm

     https://www.cricket.com.au/video/dennis-lillee-viv-richards-boxing-day-test-last-ball-1981-mcg-australia-west-indies/2018-07-18

     This is the Australia their left hated so much anything went to genocide it.

     Imagine having kids running onto the MCG as a culture, these days you can’t even access the carpark for the big games.

     No bollards to boost the economy, no trillion dollars of debt to tie us to the great transnational looting cartels.

     Have a smoke and a beer and a meat pie and a good time at the cricket without being booked off the security cameras, nowadays you need to be moving in the private and corporate box circles to do that.

     The State had nowhere near enough power over the individual, so something had to be crushed.

     Comrades.
234. mh

     #2767979, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:09 pm

     Authorities: Bombs, Guns Found While Serving Search Warrant for Burglaries

     Authorities have arrested a 43-year-old man after they located explosive devices and firearms at his residence while serving a search warrant in connection with multiple area burglaries….

     Authorities say they found multiple items related to Antifa, an anti-fascist militant group, as well as other items indicating an extreme hatred for law enforcement and government.

     “We don’t know what his intentions were, or what they were. But it’s pretty safe to say, we stopped something from happening,” said Minnehaha County Sheriff’s Captain Jason Gearman.

     https://www.kdlt.com/2018/07/18/police-bombs-guns-found-while-serving-search-warrant-for-burglaries/
235. notafan

     #2767980, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:10 pm

     I so agree on Molyneaux.

     Intensely irritating to watch.
236. Peter Castieau

     #2767982, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm

     BJ

     Who knows? Would be a massive call.
237. Bruce in WA

     #2767983, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm

     Bruce of WA, where are you, cobber ?

     Hope all is well.

     Thanks, Max. Perth northern coastal suburbs. Yes, much better today, thank you. Marvellous what aheartfelt hug from your wife can do.
238. Mitch M.

     #2767984, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm

     In developmental psychology and developmental biology, a critical period is a maturational stage in the lifespan of an organism during which the nervous system is especially sensitive to certain environmental stimuli. If, for some reason, the organism does not receive the appropriate stimulus during this “critical period” to learn a given skill or trait, it may be difficult, ultimately less successful, or even impossible, to develop some functions later in life. Functions that are indispensable to an organism’s survival, such as vision, are particularly likely to develop during critical periods. “Critical period” also relates to the ability to acquire one’s first language. Researchers found that people who passed the “critical period” would not acquire their first language fluently

     Thanks for the confirmation. Earlier today I read an animal study exploring the risks associated with autism. I was going to dismiss it because animal studies are near hopeless but then I noticed a reference to interleukin 17 and having read too much about the etiology of autism I knew that was very important. The study was related to the in utero environment. We are only just starting to get a handle on these issues and it is now widely recognized that there are causative factors from the first trimester onwards that can have important implications for adult health. This is not confined to cognition or behavior, it is also has implications for a range of adult onset pathologies.
239. Anne

     #2767985, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:21 pm

     You’re welcome, OCO.

     Are you getting it? JFK is Q! Now R.

     NOT DEAD!

     This could be the big surprise coming, November 11th.

     Or it could be that the Moon landings were faked because we live under a dome.

     I predict JFK Jnr will be Trump’s Vice President for his second term.
240. Gab

     #2767986, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:21 pm

     Yes, much better today, thank you. Marvellous what aheartfelt hug from your wife can do.

     Max;s wife hugged Bruce? Scandal at the Cat!!

     It’s like Peyton Place here 😀
241. Bruce in WA

     #2767987, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:23 pm

     Max;s wife hugged Bruce? Scandal at the Cat!!

     It’s like Peyton Place here 😀

     I wondered who she was!!!

     Marvellous what a heartfelt hug from one’s own wife can do.

     Naughty Gab! 😀
242. Tintarella di Luna

     #2767988, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:24 pm

     Tinta is definitely cool, Bear. And articulate (in Italian and English), intelligent and a true ‘lifter’.

     Gee thanks Delta A, made my rather long day a happier one, I take ’em when I get them. Grazie mille 🙂
243. Gab

     #2767989, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:24 pm

     😀
244. Bruce in WA

     #2767990, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:24 pm

     PS: Got any hugs, Gab??
245. Gab

     #2767991, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:25 pm

     Sending two your way, Brucey-bear! And a kiss too mwwaaaahhhhh!
246. H B Bear

     #2767992, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:27 pm

     I think AbbottSatan 666 is far too wedded to the Liberal party to ever jump.

     If the NSW Lieborals succeed in turfing Abbott he will be running as an Independent within the hour. And he would win.
247. Cassie of Sydney

     #2767994, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:27 pm

     “John Constantine
     #2767978, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:08 pm
     https://www.cricket.com.au/video/dennis-lillee-viv-richards-boxing-day-test-last-ball-1981-mcg-australia-west-indies/2018-07-18

     This is the Australia their left hated so much anything went to genocide it.”

     I got teary watching that. Thanks John Constantine. I miss that Australia. It was a better place, a nicer place. We’re not even allowed to laugh now.
248. Tel

     #2767995, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:27 pm

     I can see what he is getting at. You have a biologically determined capacity; this applies to both physical and intellectual abilities. Whether you develop them or not, through exercise or study or practice, is a product of both character, nutrition and social opportunity.

     That’s a reasonable theory, but I’m an empiricist. I choose to not believe in anything that cannot be measured because it’s more efficient and anything that cannot be measured cannot bother you (because in order to interfere with you it would also need to make itself measurable).

     How to measure your theory then? Any individual case will only show the final effect as a combination of all historic inputs, thus innate biologically determined capacity will not be visible. A sufficiently large sample of individuals might reveal the profile of innate biologically determined capacity, but only if all other factors are equally randomly distributed and there’s no way to find such a sample of people.

     At the end of the day you are left measuring individuals and you can say, “This particular person, right now, can do these things, but we we have no idea what causes that to happen.”

     That’s not an argument against exercise, study, practice, character, nutrition and social opportunity. At least some of those you can measure directly as before/after tests on a single individual. You can determine that there is some kind of effect because for a given individual the biological component can be presumed to remain constant. What you cannot do is subtract off the environment and measure what part of a person exists outside this environment, because there’s no people who live that way.
249. H B Bear

     #2767996, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:28 pm

     Tinta is definitely cool, Bear.

     Yeah I know. That was as close as I go to paying a compliment. You’re OK too Delta.
250. Top Ender

     #2767997, posted on July 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

     Adam Bandt is telling Turnbull he’s not welcome in Melbourne, and …

     He conceded there was a problem with unemployment and underemployment among people in Melbourne whose families had come from Horn of Africa countries such as Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia, but blamed racial discrimination for the problem.

     “People aren’t getting the jobs that I think they’re entitled to if they just happened to be a white member of the population, so the issues that we’ve got, some of the issues that we’ve got are real, but they’re to do with disengagement and discrimination,” Mr Bandt said.

     Taking a pasting in the comments:

     andrew 53 MINUTES AGO
     Brandt embodies all that is bad in politicians. He exemplifies the worst attributes of the self seeking, superficial, self serving , and slightly stupid politician…but the awful truth is that he probably is a true representation of the greens party. Brandt and his fellow travellers will destroy this once great country…deport him and keep Dutton!

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     Roger 53 MINUTES AGO
     If the people of Melbourne are stupid enough to elect you then I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere.

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     Paul L 55 MINUTES AGO
     Waleed Aly hac a rant on the project tonight along the same ljnes as Bant.last time I watch The Project.

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     Cecil 19 MINUTES AGO
     @Paul L

     But Waleed Aly is always saying, loudly and in public, that shariah must not be practised here.

     Isn’t he?

     And that polygamy and child marriage must not be practised here.

     Isn’t he?

     And that he is dead against fgm.

     Isn’t he?

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     Stephen 57 MINUTES AGO
     They hate Dutton because he does a good job and most Australians know it, so all Bandt and his crazy fanatical followers can do is sink into the primordial swamp of character assassination.

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     Terry 58 MINUTES AGO
     Adam Bandt makes me ashamed to be gay.

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     Andrew 59 MINUTES AGO
     You aren’t welcome to breathe my air Bandt, yet here we are.

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     Wayne 1 HOUR AGO
     Dutton for PM, Bandt should be deported to New Zealand.

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     David 1 HOUR AGO
     Adam who? This guy is irrelevant. Who cares what he thinks. Peter Dutton is keeping Australia safe. Peter for PM.

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