Wednesday Forum: July 18, 2018

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  1. Cassie of Sydney

    “If the NSW Lieborals succeed in turfing Abbott he will be running as an Independent within the hour. And he would win.”

    I wish he would….and Andrew Hastie…..and Craig Kelly. As for the Lieborals, they need to become a stinking, rotting corpse…..actually they already are.

  2. notafan

    Joe Cinque’s consolation.

    Singh was mentally ill.

    Her father had twice attempted to get her involuntarily committed.

    When Garner intervied the judge his explanational of why she got mental incarnation? rather than gaol was reasonable and Garner accepted it.

    The ANU students, most of whom remained anonymous, who knew in at advance and did nothing were the most reprehensible characters in that sad story.

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    Anu Singh, a complete sociapath, only served a short sentence of four or five years….so much for life in prison.

    Yes and certainly H.B. Bear is right, Anu Singh is toxic feminity on stilts – Des Deskperson said she was studying criminology, I read that too. What a waste of a beautiful life taken with evil intent.

    Yes I really like Helen Garner’s writing these days I find it so very very difficult to concentrate to read, I used to love reading but I think the constant lack of sleep and so many years of hypervigilance has taken its toll on my brain. I mostly read studies, reports, policy documents but did recently stick with, finished and enjoyed Steve Kates’ the Art of the Impossible, and a couple of years ago read Jeremy Sammut’s The Madness of Australian Child Protection , such harrowing reality written with great insight and sympathy.

  4. Oh come on

    That’s some wacky shit, Annie. Keep it coming.

  5. cohenite

    What you cannot do is subtract off the environment and measure what part of a person exists outside this environment, because there’s no people who live that way.

    The closest you can get are the studies of identical twins separated at birth.

  6. Mitch M.

    That’s a reasonable theory, but I’m an empiricist.

    If you want to know what an empiricist is go listen to Steven Pinker lectures. Replete with references. You are making general arguments. Examine your behavior and you will find that you are regularly making judgement calls based on probability. That’s life, stop pretending certainty is always available and we should not develop ideas until certainty is absolute. It rarely is. Are you seriously suggesting to me that a woman shouldn’t worry about developing an infection during pregnancy because the theory is incomplete?

    I choose to not believe in anything that cannot be measured because it’s more efficient and anything that cannot be measured cannot bother you (because in order to interfere with you it would also need to make itself measurable).

    Idealistic wishful thinking. If we waited for confirmation on every detail we would not be able to say very much at all. Probabilities are everywhere and we place our bets,

    BTW, if you think nutrition and exercise is accurately measured you need to do a lot more reading on the subject.

  7. Bruce in WA

    Sending two your way, Brucey-bear! And a kiss too mwwaaaahhhhh!

    Thank you, my anonymous friend!

  8. Tintarella di Luna

    The ANU students, most of whom remained anonymous, who knew in at advance and did nothing were the most reprehensible characters in that sad story.

    Yes indeed notafan and for the rest of their lives the ghost of Joe Cinque will haunt them, there is no getting away with such disregard for another human life, and they will not get away with it Retribution always comes calling.

    Just yesterday I was thinking about that little girl Leigh Leigh and her degradation and death and about all those who participated – Matthew Webster took the blame and went to gaol .. But what of all the others who were in on that horrendous crime? They’re all grown men, probably with children of their own, Retribution will visit them too, they will not get away with it. Such evil done eats the soul of the perpetrator and their peace of mind. I wonder too, how Chris Dawson is getting along?

  9. .

    Annie

    I might be slow but now I get you were joking all along.

    Well played.

  10. Tintarella di Luna

    I wish he would….and Andrew Hastie…..and Craig Kelly. As for the Lieborals, they need to become a stinking, rotting corpse…..actually they already are.

    The rotten corpse is stinking up the joint, bring on the cremation and burial I say!

  11. Anne

    How’s this, OCO, from the Q-Research Board.

    In 1909, we lost everything.
    My father caught on.
    1st to the Bilderbergs,
    then he caught on the NASA.
    He demanded to know who the grey’s were and why they were here.
    They killed him.
    I strategically staged my own death, allied with the one person in this world whom I knew was honorable enough to trust, and we began to build “The Plan.”
    Penance is coming.

    By the way the “greys” are not aliens from outer space. They are demons in meat suits and they are from Earth. There is no outer space because we live under a dome.

    Bible believing Christians know this.

  12. 132andBush


    She’s very good and Cory Bernadi was excellent as well.

    Indeed.
    That’s not allowed though, to be so young and very good.
    According to some.

  13. Tel

    Mitch M. #2768004,

    I never demanded perfect measurements, I only demand some reasonably plausible measurements. Sure there’s room for uncertainty, within reason. If “guess so” is all you’ve got then that’s not empiricism, it’s guesswork which might give a hint about where to go looking in future, but it’s not real until you measure something.

    You can’t extract the biological potential and measure it outside the context of a real person living their life. With nutrition, or exercise, or other training you can make a measure before you (or anyone else) takes a supplement, or do something potentially beneficial and afterwards and at least have a fighting chance at keeping everything else constant. Even if you are the only person in the whole world who benefits from some particular food (unlikely but could happen) it’s still a valid measurement if you tried that and found yourself better off. Not a perfect measurement, could have been a wild fluke, always verify wherever you can.

  14. JC

    Annie

    What’s your position on Bilderberg? What’s going on there, you think?

  15. Infidel Tiger

    I hope Annie isn’t joking.

    It’s all quite exciting.

  16. Anne

    Is this JFK Jnr’s voice?

    I’m not sure.

    Q: the Plan to Save the World.

    https://youtu.be/6cYZ8dUgPuU

  17. JC

    More on the Seth Rich/ Wikileaks connection.

    In dismissing the possibility that Rich was the leaker, mainstream media outlets often ignore one of the key reason why some people believe that he was: Shortly after his murder, WikiLeaks, which has denied receiving the emails from the Russian government, posted a Tweet offering a $20,000 reward for information leading to the solution of the mystery of who killed Rich.

    Julian Assange, WikiLeaks founder and publisher, brought up Rich’s murder out of context in an interview with Dutch TV last August. “Whistle-blowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks,” Assange said. “As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington.”

    Pressed by the interviewer to say whether Rich was the source of the DNC emails, Assange said WikiLeaks never reveals its sources. Yet, it appeared to be an indirect way of naming Rich, while formally maintaining WikiLeak’s policy. An alternative view would be to believe that Assange is cynically using Rich’s death to divert the trail from the real source.

    But Assange is likely one of the few people who actually knows who the source is, so his professed interest in Rich’s murder presents a clue regarding the source of the leak that any responsible news organization would at least acknowledge although that has not been the case in many recent mainstream articles about the supposed Seth Rich “conspiracy theory.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/08/a-new-twist-in-seth-rich-murder-case/

  18. Infidel Tiger

    JFK’s voice sounds more like: “Mayday Mayday gurgle gurgle gurgle”

  19. Cassie of Sydney

    “Retribution will visit them too, they will not get away with it. Such evil done eats the soul of the perpetrator and their peace of mind. I wonder too, how Chris Dawson is getting along”

    I hope you’re right Tintarella. The Torah says that “Justice, justice shall you pursue.” One can’t forgive without justice. I do wonder sometimes as I think that some people just don’t have a conscience. As for Chris Dawson, it is never too late for justice for Lyn Dawson. I hope that, with the recent podcasts and with the police reopening the investigation, that Chris Dawson is getting very nervous. It’s time.

  20. Atoms for Peace

    So now we have a gay fliedermaus. Can’t wait to see the the e vehicle exit the cave sans scrapes before it plows into a house .

  21. BorisG

    You have a biologically determined capacity; this applies to both physical and intellectual abilities. Whether you develop them or not, through exercise or study or practice, is a product of both character, nutrition and social opportunity.

    Is there some scientific evidence for this or is this just an opinion?

  22. Frank

    A few nights ago people were talking about ehealth and myGov records. While attempting to delete a pre-existing ehealth record I came with the following caveat.

    Once your record is cancelled, it will be kept for 30 years after your death or, if the date of death is unknown, for 130 years after the date of your birth.

    You can never get rid of it, you can only stop them adding to it.
    From here.

  23. Anne

    I don’t know how he’s done it but Trump seems to have dissolved the Queen’s authority to debt enslavement of the people of the United States. That’s why she was subservient to him last week.

    This, off the same Q-Reseach board.

    ▶Anonymous 07/18/18 (Wed) 03:29:40 c84d11 (11) No.2188093>>2188141 >>2191582
    CUSIP numbers consist of nine characters (including letters and numbers). A CUSIP number identifies most financial instruments, including: stocks of all registered U.S. and Canadian companies, commercial paper, and U.S. government and municipal bonds.

    https://freedom-school.com/aware/are-you-free-or-are-you-a-slave.html

    DL: 9 digits
    SSN: 9 digits

    The United States is bankrupt and has been since 1933. The government has no gold or silver as required by the Constitution. The only asset left is the people. So how does the U.S. finance its daily operations?
    Solution, collateralize the people for credit. How? By registering them in international commerce, and selling bonds on them. The people become the surety on the bonds, or the “pledge”. The asset bonded (surety) is the labor of the people which is payable as some undetermined future date. Thus, the people become the “utility” for the “transmission” of energy. Result, a very sophisticated form of peonage or slavery and the Constitution does not apply because the government, on all levels, is thrown into international commerce, the law merchant, now known as the Uniform Commercial Code. [See Public Law 88-244 in which the U.S. Subscribed to private international law. See definition of “goods” under the Uniform Commercial Code; Section 2-105(1) and 9-105(1) in which animals, i.e. humans and their unborn offspring, become “goods” sellable in commerce!

    When a baby is born in the United States, a birth certificate is registered with the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State of birth. The key word here is “registered” as registered in international commerce. The baby becomes the surety, whose energy is due at some future date. When the birth certificate is registered in the U.S. Department of Commerce, the Department of Treasury issues a bond on the birth certificate ($1,000,000) and the bond is sold at some securities exchange and perhaps bought by the Federal Reserve Bank, which then uses it as collateral in order to issue Federal Reserve Notes or some other form of “debt obligation” (see 18 USC §411). The bond is then held in trust for the Federal Reserve at the Depository Trust Corp. At 55 Water Street, in New York City, about two blocks down the street from the Fed. It is a high rise office building and the sign out front reads “The Tower of Power”.

  24. Atoms for Peace

    How the fark does a kid have character unless nurtured in same?

  25. hzhousewife

    The other night someone posted a magic illusion/trick which intrigued me. Today a friend passed this one on to me so the time of night has come to share it with you all. Enjoy.

  26. Anne

    JFK’s voice sounds more like: “Mayday Mayday gurgle gurgle gurgle”

    Wouldn’t it be amazing if, knowing the Clintons planned to assassinate him, he faked his own death.

    He and Trump were very good friends.

    I’ll wager if he is alive, he’ll be Trump’s VP next term and run for President after that.

    What a time to be alive!

  27. Atoms for Peace

    Yet another addition to the barcode. Signed up for a first aid course and have to get a USI. Few typos heading their way methinks

  28. I read on the main page, a warning to the kats and kittehs here about outing others.

    I have had the pleasure of meeting people here and dining with them and have enjoyed every minute of it. I have met business owners, senior management in companies, which seems to be a common theme in those i have met.

    For someone to “out” me wouldn’t be a great issue except it would upset Lady jugulum, that is a bad move for a family that pistol shoots for fun.

    Stop playing silly games, that is all, double away smartly.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    Trump/Kennedy 2020.

    Sweet! An exciting few years coming up.

  30. I choose to not believe in anything that cannot be measured

    Flavour?

  31. mh

    Unfortunately this is not a conspiracy:

    UK GOVERNMENT OFFICE KNEW ABOUT MASS RAPE GANGS DECADE BEFORE INVESTIGATING

    Britain’s Home Office had received information about Pakistani grooming gangs raping vulnerable white girls more than a decade before it finally commissioned an investigation, a review has found.
    A review had found that documents relating to an unpublished report which detailed “men who are believed to be responsible for pimping and grooming young people into prostitution” in Rotherham, north east England, was sent to the Home Office in 2002, but the department failed to act on it….

    https://www.infowars.com/uk-government-office-knew-about-mass-rape-gangs-decade-before-investigating/

  32. Indolent

    Annie, you seem to have forgotten that JFK Jnr.’s plane (and body) was found. Not to mention his wife and sister-in-law. If he was faking his own death he might take his wife with him but his sister-in-law? I don’t think so.

  33. Anne

    More regarding our bodies/energy being owned by the Queen/Church of Rome, this will make more sense.

    Scroll to the 1:44:40 mark and watch for 3 mins.

    https://youtu.be/NkufG1i3Uk8

    I do not consent.

    I am free.

    Goodnight Patriots.

  34. JC

    Annie, stop being a spoil sport. Don’t leave me hanging about Bilderberg.

  35. Oh come on

    You have to hand it to Annie. If she’s joking, she’s doing a helluva job.

    Actually, I sense wheels within wheels, friends. A day or two after sockie and nummy and Joh are taken out, Annie appears. DL is pranking us, you can take it to the bank*.

    *accepting bullion deposits only, no fractional reserve fakery

  36. Oh come on

    It is pretty funny how all the conspiracy theory kooks view Trump as their saviour. Really?

  37. JC

    Bridie used to go nuts about Bilderberg. Absolutely nuts.

  38. Confused Old Misfit

    Last night I met upon the stair,
    A little man who was not there!
    He was not there again today.
    I wish JFK would go away!

  39. mh

    Trump proven right again:

    Testing Tolerance: Swedes are saying ‘enough’, to immigrants, no-go zones, sharia law & gang rapes

    The Swedish police have outlined over 50 areas with high immigrant populations that are “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity.” Of these, 23 have been classified as “especially vulnerable,” or what migration critics call “no-go zones,” where even the police have trouble operating.

    Besides the high incidence of gang violence and drug trafficking, residents complain these areas are being virtually colonised by immigrants whose cultures clash with Swedish values. Many Swedes and older immigrants alike have begun to say that Sweden doesn’t feel like Sweden anymore.

    Critics of the government’s liberal immigration policies complain the police are afraid to intervene for fear of being accused of racial profiling, while the country’s politically correct press generally brands anyone raising concerns about immigrants as racist.

    But now, some people fed up with what they see as the authorities’ inaction have taken matters into their own hands. They have begun to organise groups calling themselves names like ‘The Soldiers of Odin’ to patrol the country’s most blighted neighbourhoods. They are sometimes called vigilantes or racists, but the groups say they want the freedom to live in their own country as it was before the migrant crisis began.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dU8SoW_dTRo

  40. None

    Lauren Southern doesn’t do her homework well if she thinks the QUT case was last year. She also failed to highlight the role of the ahrc in that particular clip. As I said her analysis is non-existent; she is just stringing together a pile of anecdotes to prove a talking point. No understanding of the structural problem represented by organisations such as the ahrc or any real-world understanding or experience in how to combat such entrenched systems. She can just go on her talking tour repeating the same ol’ same ol’ stump speech and leave all the hard yards to everybody else who already know this and have been in the front lines for years. She’s almost like an anti-left virtue signaller. Definitely all the signs of a dropout.

  41. None

    Anne’s avatar looks like a cat coughing up fur balls. Enough said.

  42. JC

    If this is true and I’m not saying it is, Mueller should go to jail.

    Update: Mueller Suspected of Giving Podesta Brothers Immunity to Indict Manafort and Is HIDING THIS FROM PUBLIC

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/update-mueller-suspected-of-giving-podesta-brothers-immunity-to-indict-manafort-and-is-hiding-this-from-public/

  43. Oh come on

    “The Soldiers of Odin”? Really? If you’re going to set up a vigilante group (and it does very much sound like vigilantes could be needed), why give it a racist-sounding knucklehead name like “The Soldiers of Odin”? Why not something less grandiose? Something about Concerned Swedes, I don’t know.

  44. Makka

    Update: Mueller Suspected of Giving Podesta Brothers Immunity to Indict Manafort and Is HIDING THIS FROM PUBLIC

    Yes heard this earlier today.

    What do you think about conspiracy theories now?

  45. cohenite

    I look forward to seeing Lauren Southern and the other chap in Sydney on the 28th.

  46. JC

    Makka

    We really have no way of knowing unless it’s confirmed. If it does end up being true Mueller should be dealt with very harshly.

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spacechook alert.

    I’m going on reading Deborah Snow’s book on the Lindt Cafe siege. It makes for depressing reading – a tale of thud and blunder, that shows N.S.W police would be out of their depth in a puddle in the car park.

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Anne’s avatar looks like a cat coughing up fur balls. Enough said.

    How bizarre. She’s probably a satanist or a Rotarian.

  49. twostix

    Britain’s Home Office had received information about Pakistani grooming gangs raping vulnerable white girls more than a decade before it finally commissioned an investigation, a review has found.
    A review had found that documents relating to an unpublished report which detailed “men who are believed to be responsible for pimping and grooming young people into prostitution” in Rotherham, north east England, was sent to the Home Office in 2002, but the department failed to act on it….

    Blair’s government Dropshipping Muslim rape gangs into white working class neighbourhoods and telling them to go to work was the British leftwing’s punishment for the famous anti-communism of the British proles during the 80’s.

  50. BorisG

    Trump proven right again:

    Testing Tolerance: Swedes are saying ‘enough’, to immigrants, no-go zones, sharia law & gang rapes

    How many Swedes ? In any case, we don’t need trump to say this.

  51. JC

    The story seems to be suggesting the names of those granted immunity is also under seal and may not be used, which suggests again that if it is true, it’s an attempt to keep these two clowns out of judicial harm’s way.

    I think it’s bullshit though. Rather, I don’t want to believe it’s true.

  52. Anne

    It is pretty funny how all the conspiracy theory kooks view Trump as their saviour. Really?

    There’s only one Saviour, OCO, and He has his hand on Trump’s shoulder. And I’m not comfortable with that term. 😏

    ————-

    Indolent, I’ve only just read about this theory, that JFK Jr faked his death, today. It seems there are many odd things about the ‘recovery operation’ We may find out. It may not pan out.

    I can tell you I’ve come to believe much bigger things in the past year.

    Watch a few minutes of this guy from the 1:15:00 mark. He talks about it, including images of JFK & Carolyn Bessette behind Trump at one of the rallies. The resemblance is pretty compelling.

    https://youtu.be/NkufG1i3Uk8

  53. mh

    “The Soldiers of Odin”? Really? If you’re going to set up a vigilante group (and it does very much sound like vigilantes could be needed), why give it a racist-sounding knucklehead name like “The Soldiers of Odin”? Why not something less grandiose? Something about Concerned Swedes, I don’t know.

    Concerned Swedes? Hmmm.

  54. Makka

    How many Swedes ?

    Enough to be an electorate majority. Is that enough? And yes, he has been proven right again.

  55. Infidel Tiger

    There’s only one Saviour, OCO, and He has his hand on Trump’s shoulder. And I’m not comfortable with that term. 😏

    Mike Pence.

  56. jupes

    This is the Australia their left hated so much anything went to genocide it.

    Imagine having kids running onto the MCG as a culture, these days you can’t even access the carpark for the big games.

    No bollards to boost the economy, no trillion dollars of debt to tie us to the great transnational looting cartels.

    Have a smoke and a beer and a meat pie and a good time at the cricket without being booked off the security cameras, nowadays you need to be moving in the private and corporate box circles to do that.

    The State had nowhere near enough power over the individual, so something had to be crushed.

    Comrades.

    Excellent post and link John.

    Always good to watch the great man in action, but also a sad reflection on how far we have descended in only a few decades.

  57. Anne

    What!?

    Has Johanna been banned?

  58. jupes

    “The Soldiers of Odin”? Really? If you’re going to set up a vigilante group (and it does very much sound like vigilantes could be needed), why give it a racist-sounding knucklehead name like “The Soldiers of Odin”? Why not something less grandiose? Something about Concerned Swedes, I don’t know.

    OCO is Angus Campbell. Who knew?

  59. mh

    Boris, that video was from Russia Today.

    Well done, RT.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    What!?

    Has Johanna been banned?

    Yes. I had her, Rae and Nemkat banned.

    Enough was enough. Public servants have no right to post here.

  61. Oh come on

    Concerned Swedes? Hmmm

    Okay I have an idea – how about not a name that Himmler could plausibly have conjured ip in an effort to recruit Nords into the Wehrmacht?

  62. JC

    Rones

    Are we going to get a third repeat of your depressing reading. You’ve already alerted us to the same exact depressing reading only several hours ago, you clown.

    See here

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2767573, posted on July 19, 2018 at 2:19 pm

    Spacechook warning..

    Deborah Snow’s book on the Lindt Cafe siege makes for interesting, if depressing, reading.

    Copy and paste all the swill you post here on Word. Then check to see if you haven’t repeated the same depressing swill before you post the same depressing swill. That way, you only post depressing swill once. That of course ignores if you want to keep posting the same depressing swill over and over, just to annoy even more.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yes. I had her, Rae and Nemkat banned.

    What’s the going tariff for getting someone banned from the Cat?

  64. Nick

    I read on the main page, a warning to the kats and kittehs here about outing others.

    Who would do such a thing ?

  65. Oh come on

    Yes. I had her, Rae and Nemkat banned.

    IT’s pulling power is enormous. He just pulls and pulls and pulls and hardly ever stops.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    I love feeding the chooks.

  67. BorisG

    Russia today is a propaganda channel

    This is what Jerusalem Post says: https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Russia-concerned-about-military-confrontation-between-Israel-and-Iran-562914

    Russian ambassador to Iran Dzhagaryan told the paper that Iran is a “friendly country” and “one of our key partners” that cooperates with Russia in “various spheres,” such as ending the war in Syria, and that Iran’s presence in the war-torn country is legitimate because it was invited by the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

  68. None

    Bolt calls out Victoria Police and government on their shakedown tactics. Frankly the entire in editorial staff and every journalist on every Victoria newspaper should be calling out Victoria Police and the government for their utter corruption. Sometimes I think the hunt only tolerates because he brings in the readers and the revenue. I’m not actually serious about reporting or anslysis. Mind you after my most recent visits to Victoria I would say most of Melbourne is comatose and a good lot of regional Victoria is either cooking or smoking ice and the few people left who still have some brains are either too old to care or too poor and powerless to do anything about it. It’s enough just trying to survive.

  69. JC

    OCO

    I bet they will be back undercover. Gools normally leaves it for a couple of months. Dunno about numbnuts as I think he’s tomix and he stayed off for quite a while before he reappeared. It’s ambiguous if Johanna received the size 10. We have to see.

    But, boy the quality of discourse certainly improved today without those three lunatics. I must say, I do feel sorry for the Gools though, if he is going through that stuff. It’s not good.

  70. mh

    Boris,

    HELSINKI — The United States and Russia will work together to ensure Israel’s security, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday after his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Good news!

  71. JC

    Russia today is a propaganda channel

    ABC and BBC aren’t. At least Russia today isn’t as antagonistic towards its country – unlike the other two I mentioned.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It woulsd seem that “Ronery/ Rones”, whoever he is, is inside JC’s head, and is going to stay there, until JC finally goes mad. Interesting times.

  73. Snoopy

    Makka
    #2768050, posted on July 19, 2018 at 11:01 pm
    Update: Mueller Suspected of Giving Podesta Brothers Immunity to Indict Manafort and Is HIDING THIS FROM PUBLIC

    Yes heard this earlier today.

    What do you think about conspiracy theories now?

    JC
    #2768052, posted on July 19, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    Makka

    We really have no way of knowing unless it’s confirmed. If it does end up being true Mueller should be dealt with very harshly.

    Two days ago Monty claimed this shit was normal.

  74. urb

    JC, you are starting to come across as an OCD control freak. Get your own blog if you would like to dictate terms. Really.

  75. BorisG

    HELSINKI — The United States and Russia will work together to ensure Israel’s security, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday after his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    This is one area where they their policies are to some extent aligned, so no wonder they can claim that they will work together. Good to hear, though Putin still consistently voted against Israel in the UN, and is friends with Israel’s enemies such as Iran and Hamas.

  76. JC

    Ronery,

    You posted your depressing reading soliloquy fat 2.19pm. You you repeated basically the same shit at 11.04 pm. Call the Hotline and get yourself tested, ffs. You’ve been advised about this before… or stop you’re drinking as it gets you more depressed than normal.

  77. jupes

    Bolt calls out Victoria Police and government on their shakedown tactics. Frankly the entire in editorial staff and every journalist on every Victoria newspaper should be calling out Victoria Police and the government for their utter corruption.

    Indeed. In fact, this is such an appalling state of affairs that I think it requires a statement from the prime minister.

    It’s a state matter I know, however when we see corruption at this level it behooves the prime minister to point it out and threaten funding at least.

  78. BorisG

    At least Russia today isn’t as antagonistic towards its country –

    They support Putin’s regime not Russian people.

  79. JC

    Urb

    Rones is a fucking moron and you’re encouraging and enabling stupid behavior. He treats this place like a fucking toilet. He should be on Facebook.

  80. jupes

    Good to hear, though Putin still consistently voted against Israel in the UN, and is friends with Israel’s enemies such as Iran and Hamas.

    Yeah, imagine if Trump could change that.

  81. BorisG

    ABC and BBC aren’t.

    Not remotely to that extent.

  82. mh

    Russia today is a propaganda channel

    ABC and BBC aren’t. At least Russia today isn’t as antagonistic towards its country – unlike the other two I mentioned.

    MSNBC told us this week that Trump’s press conference will go down in infamy as much as Kristallnacht or Pearl Harbour. No propaganda there!

  83. Oh come on

    Grigs will definitely be back. It’s sad but we are all he has. He cannot keep away for long.

    I’m still not convinced nummy isn’t Grigs.

    Johanna – maybe she went too far in her condemnations of Lizzie?

  84. JC

    They support Putin’s regime not Russian people.

    And the ABC and the BBC support the Green Left. I’m not saying RT is great or anything like that, but it’s not any worse than the other two.

  85. Infidel Tiger

    Trump and Rand Paul on a foreign policy unity ticket. The love is real.

    The new alliances on politics are incredible.

  86. jupes

    Best episode of Outsiders ever tonight. Do yourself a favour and watch it if you get a chance.

    It included an epic rant from Ross that ended by calling Hillary, Comey, McCabe a “hat-full of arseholes” but the whole show was funny as fuck.

  87. Infidel Tiger

    Good to hear, though Putin still consistently voted against Israel in the UN, and is friends with Israel’s enemies such as Iran and Hamas.

    Putin knows a UN vote means zero. In fact less than zero.

    Russia and Israel are very tight right now.

  88. urb

    JC, there are plenty of morons on here and its not up to me or you to decide who they are or arent so I am hardly encouraging or enabling. Perhaps you should look at it the same way.

  89. JC

    Johanna – maybe she went too far in her condemnations of Lizzie?

    I don’t think it was that. If anything. I think it was the random attack on Rabz. Towards the end, Perkie and Jezzabel seemed to be getting along. Dunno what happened. Maybe it was a case of Stockholm Syndrome on Perkie’s part.

  90. mh

    They support Putin’s regime not Russian people.

    So the ABC support the Australian people? 40% of the ABC staff vote Green!

  91. Steve trickler

    From 1962.

    End of the World.



  92. JC

    JC, there are plenty of morons on here

    ‘sactly and a moron reduction strategy is a net positive.

  93. twostix

    They support Putin’s regime not Russian people.

    Borry didn’t your “prominent” bolshevik uncles liquidate the best of the Russian people?

  94. .

    I was despondent when Trump beat Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, but they’re his allies.

    Stuff like this makes me smile. JC and IT also convinced me that Trump has delivered some very classically liberal policies. We have not seen this stuff since Reagan.

  95. Snoopy

    There is usually a reason for bad temper. If it is a strangulated testicle, get it seen to, stat.

  96. .

    Glynnis MacNicol is here to tell you that life as a 40-year-old single, childless woman – the thing we’re taught to fear and avoid at all costs! – is actually pretty great.

    Someone else is paying.

  97. Snoopy

    JC and IT also convinced me that Trump has delivered some very classically liberal policies.

    Listen to NeverTrumps at your own risk.

  98. BorisG

    Trump and Rand Paul on a foreign policy unity ticket

    Hope not as Paul’s are very much against US support for Israel.

  99. JC

    I was despondent when Trump beat Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, but they’re his allies.

    Stuff like this makes me smile. JC and IT also convinced me that Trump has delivered some very classically liberal policies. We have not seen this stuff since Reagan.

    It’s pure bliss, Dot. Combined with the NY attitude and it’s like being in heaven. There’s two things he needs to do though. Reduce spending and fix up the trade side. On the trade side he needs to avoid a trade war and stop nonsense that the US loses money through a trade deficit. It’s garbage.

  100. BorisG

    Trump has delivered some very classically liberal policies.

    especially his tariffs are very classical liberal.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    Trump has stacked every court in the land with young and virile conservative jurists too. It will be his lasting legacy.

    The revolution is going swimmingly.

  102. zyconoclast

    Chart of the day: Men are dropping out of the workforce, as women charge in [includes chart]

    The heroes, or should that be heroines, of Australia’s “jobs boom” are women.

    In the year to May, female employment rose 3.2 per cent, or 183,500, while male employment was up 1.8 per cent, or 120,400.

    But there is a longer-term trend at play with the participation rate — the percentage of people in work, or looking for work — showing women are closing the gap.

    More women are entering or re-entering the workforce, gaining better qualifications (40 per cent of women aged 25-29 have a uni degree or above, compared to 31 per cent of men) and working in sectors where the jobs growth is — think health and education.

    As for wages, the gap isn’t narrowing. Average weekly ordinary time earnings for women are 15 per cent lower than men, roughly in line with the long-term trend.

  103. JC

    Listen to NeverTrumps at your own risk.

    That’s just fakenews. There’s more than a few jellybeans like you here, who think it’s wonderful and fantastic to jump on the train first. There was absolutely no fucking reason to and as the fat fuck modified his policies he began to look better.

    Oh look, look IT and JC jumped on the train well after.

    Well I sure did. I wouldn’t change my views and ideology one iota. Trump came to me and Artiste begging us get on the train after he changed his policies. Not the other way around. At one stage there was no space between him and crazy Bernie.

  104. twostix

    and working in sectors where the jobs growth is — think health and education.

    Meaning they’re all public servants or quasi-public servants.

    I hope they realise men need to work to produce the wealth to tax to pay for these women to go to ‘work’.

  105. mh

    Russia, Israel, Trump, Brexiteers, Hungary, these are examples of the enemy that must be destroyed.

    So what do they have in common? Let’s see. Borders are a theme. Nationalism?

  106. .

    Reduce spending and fix up the trade side. On the trade side he needs to avoid a trade war and stop nonsense that the US loses money through a trade deficit. It’s garbage.

    Absolutely. This topic has been done to death on this forum.

    I am really worried about our debt and US debt. If the US tanks (21 trillion of US Federal debt, plus 1 trillion+ private delinquencies in student debt) on top of Australian government debt at all levels equalling 1 trillion AUD, we’re not just in for a debt and trade led recession, we’re in for decades and decades of debt.

    Let’s say Trump has a good plan to pay it off over six years; for the first two more debt is accrued. At this point, global GDP craps out. Say for the next two years we keep on racking up debt.

    So let’s say we get to 1100-1200 bn AUD of debt before a recession hits. The tax base will be lowered significantly and if the US goes down as well (actually a driver of decline elsewhere) the rate adjustment (J-curve) will not work until the US perks up.

    It is entirely possible that we can go over 100% of debt to GDP and even end up like one of the PIIGS or Japan.

  107. BorisG

    Reduce spending and fix up the trade side. On the trade side he needs to avoid a trade war and stop nonsense that the US loses money through a trade deficit. It’s garbage.

    JC, you make it sound like these are a couple of small problems. The problem is, the trade policy in particular is at the very core of his economic thinking. And you see, he is not alone. Here on cat many poeple support not only this policy of trump (ok, they support every fart he makes), they support tariffs per se. This is a seirous and widespresd position, and it is hardly classical liberal. Given that trump is extremely stubborn on every issue, and this was one of his signature promises, he is unlikely to change his approach.

  108. JC

    especially his tariffs are very classical liberal.

    I agree, which is why I flagged that issue above. Hopefully people like Larry Kudlow, who is free market all the way will talk some sense into him.

    Boris, the trade side of things isn’t over yet.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    The drop from high 80’s to low 60’s in the male participation rate is the greatest act of societal suicide imaginable.

  110. zyconoclast

    Aussie expats join forces in Ads Up group to help refugees find their feet in the US

    When Shafiq Turi arrived in New York last January it was the middle of winter. He had never seen snow before and had only a thin coat. He was completely alone and didn’t know a soul in the Big Apple.

    All he wanted was a place to live and a job as a taxi driver. But as a refugee from Pakistan — who’d just spent four years in the Australian-run Manus Detention Centre in Papua New Guinea — Shafiq was penniless and didn’t even know whether taxis or Ubers operated in New York.

    When he first landed in the US, he was entitled to temporary accommodation and support from a local refugee agency. A “caseworker” took him grocery shopping.

    But after three months, Shafiq was left to fend for himself. By chance he met an Australian expat, Ben Winsor, who lives in the US

    “What struck me was how alien the United States was for him, what little information he was given before he arrived.”

    Shafiq Turi is one of 300 refugees resettled in the US since last September from detention centres on Manus Island and Nauru, under a deal originally brokered between Australia and the former administration of Barack Obama. Up to 950 more are expected to follow in the coming weeks and months.

    Despite their number, most refugees have been sent alone — or as single families — to towns and cities scattered across the US, where they have limited social support networks. They have little or no choice in where they are sent to live.

    Mr Winsor and another Australian in New York, Fleur Wood, began mobilising the “Aussie diaspora” to help them.

    They set up a support group called Australian Diaspora Steps Up — or Ads Up — to help the Manus and Nauru refugees start a new life in the US, by offering financial assistance and social support.

    “Shafiq was very independent, but still needed encouragement to leave his room and explore at first,” Mr Winsor said.

    “I think there is a lot of fear of going out into the unknown in an alien country, when some of them first arrive. That can quickly give way to isolation and unhappiness if they don’t find a connection with their new community.”

    Ads Up group pairing refugees with ‘buddies’
    So far Ads Up has recruited more than 300 Australian expats — roughly one for each refugee settled in the US — to help them find employment, accommodation or English language classes, and navigate the health care and social security systems in a country where domestic refugee services have been slashed.

    The support network aims to pair one Australian “buddy” for each refugee arriving from Manus or Nauru.

    “We’ve had situations where families of six, or four kids, have missed a social security payment and not been able to pay their rent, and facing eviction,” Mr Winsor said.

    “We were able to step in and speak with a landlord and pay rent for that time to hold them over. We’ve had situations where people have needed urgent dental treatment, but of course that’s not covered under the medical system over here, so we have been able to scout around to find a dentist to help pro-bono.

  111. Infidel Tiger

    If Trump can do something about entitlement reform and debt, I’ll give him my full blessing.

    No one has ever received my full blessing.

  112. .

    BorisG
    #2768113, posted on July 19, 2018 at 11:54 pm
    Trump has delivered some very classically liberal policies.

    especially his tariffs are very classical liberal.

    “some”

    !!!!

    Listen to NeverTrumps at your own risk.

    I couldn’t figure out Trump to start with because he was giving out mixed messages. Results matter, but he’s not God.

  113. C.L.

    Good Lord.
    Video emerges of Chuck “Cryin’ Chuck” Schumer literally bowing to Putin.

    https://twitter.com/MJASheridan/status/1019797816036687872

  114. twostix

    They set up a support group called Australian Diaspora Steps Up — or Ads Up — to help the Manus and Nauru refugees start a new life in the US, by offering financial assistance and social support.

    Australians are working overtime to make Americans not like us.

  115. JC

    Boris

    He’s the thing. If people really thought Trump was going to enact a draconian version of Smoot Hawley, the only general indicator that we have that would signal such disturbance are the financial markets. The long end of the bond market would reflect higher yields on the expectations of higher inflation and the stock market would be down 25%. That hasn’t happened because the markets essentially don’t believe it will. Now, it may, in which case you can say goodbye to stocks, because there would be a yuge smoking. But it doesn’t look like it and it is being read as a bargaining ploy.

  116. JC

    Every time Trump has announced some sort of trade tariff or threat of one, the stock markets have gone down, which means the immediate reaction is negative. That tells you how much markets like trade restrictions. Financial markets are the only markets we have in the world that provide almost immediate reaction to policies etc. They’re the best discounting mechanism we have and shouldn’t be ignored.

  117. BrettW

    Waleed did one of his editorials on the Project. Basically saying the Sudanese gang issue in Melbourne is not an issue and contradicting PM’s comments earlier in the week.

    Pretty much saying the Sudanese crime issue only exists on talkback radio.

  118. BorisG

    JC I hope you (and the markets) are right. Would be intresting to know WHY they are optimistic.

    On spending, his campaign position is not in inconsistent with classical liberal thinking, but it is aufully hard to do. So we shall see.

  119. JC

    He’s so obnoxious, but in a good way.

    Trump on a 2020 Joe Biden run: “Obama took him out of the garbage heap”

    He just killed off Biden.

    TRUMP: Well, I dream, I dream about Biden. That’s a dream. Look, Joe Biden ran three times. He never got more than 1 percent and President Obama took him out of the garbage heap, and everybody was shocked that he did. I’d love to have it be Biden. I think I’d like to have any one of those people that we’re talking about…You know, there’s probably – the group of seven or eight right now. I’d really like to – I’d like to run against any one of them, but Biden never by himself could never do anything. President Obama took him, made him vice president and he was fine. But you go back and look at how he succeeded in running, when he ran two or three times, I don’t think he ever break — broke one. He was at the one or less level, 1 percent or less level.

  120. Derp

    Concerned Swedes? Hmmm.

    Nobody expects the Steamed Swedes

  121. JC

    JC I hope you (and the markets) are right. Would be intresting to know WHY they are optimistic.

    No, leave me out of it as the markets are the one true dynamic discounting mechanism.

  122. Makka

    Trump on a 2020 Joe Biden run: “Obama took him out of the garbage heap”

    Dumpster Joe!

  123. Top Ender

    Swedes of Concern

    Concerned Swedes?

    Eat your Greens

    Turnips Unite

    Hmmm…nothing working there.

  124. C.L.

    Waleed did one of his editorials on the Project. Basically saying the Sudanese gang issue in Melbourne is not an issue and contradicting PM’s comments earlier in the week.

    Pretty much saying the Sudanese crime issue only exists on talkback radio.

    From the man who exploded out of the punditry blocks to blame the Boston Marathon Bombing on a white Christian conservative racist.

  125. JC

    Unreal

    Teachers in NSW are being encouraged to screen M-rated films depicting same-sex relationships and transgender characters during classes in a bid to promote diversity.

    The NSW Teachers Federation has released a list of LGBTIQ-themed films and associated teaching resources that it claims can be incorporated into various syllabuses and are “therefore appropriate to study in class”.

    The list includes the recently released Love, Simon, which depicts a gay teenager, Danish Girl, about the artist Einar Wegener who underwent one of the first sex-reassignment operations, and Gayby Baby, which was previously the subject of a NSW Government ban.

  126. C.L.

    Teachers in NSW are being encouraged to screen M-rated films depicting same-sex relationships and transgender characters during classes in a bid to promote diversity.

    Legalising and normalising child molestation is one of the left’s top priorities and has been for decades.

  127. BorisG

    From the man who exploded out of the punditry blocks to blame the Boston Marathon Bombing on a white Christian conservative racist.

    There is a believable but unproven theory that Boston bombings were orchestrated by Chechen leaders. This theory is based on the fact that one of the brothers (Tamerlan) visited Chechnya for a year after Russian intelligence tipped off the FBI that he had extremisst links. Now, usually when Russians find someone to have such link, they usually no longer see the light of day. Yet in this case, the Russians allowed him both in and out. Very suspicious.

    If this is true, this must have been tacitly approved by Putin.

  128. Infidel Tiger

    Putin bombed the Boston Marathon? That is a new one.

    Probably be the WaPo lede tomorrow.

  129. JC

    Artiste

    Boris is not saying that. It doesn’t sound that far out of kilter if Boris is right in that why would Russian intel allow the fucker free movement when they always kill off that sort.

  130. None

    Legalising and normalising child molestation is one of the left’s top priorities and has been for decades.

    and this is all in a state with a Liberal -National government. But good lord do not ever write to them and ask if they teach their daughters anal sex and their boy’s penis tucking. They will tell you off for being salacious it’s just ok for your kids not for their precious ears.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    Josh Jordan
    @NumbersMuncher
    Rasmussen: Trump job approval ticks up a point to 45-54, exactly the same as where it was before the meeting with Putin. #NothingMatters
    9:31 PM · Jul 19, 2018

    Haha!

  132. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2768141, posted on July 20, 2018 at 12:45 am

    Yet in this case, the Russians allowed him both in and out. Very suspicious.

    If this is true, this must have been tacitly approved by Putin.

    Boris, you and I know that Putin is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, but even so, I think that’s a stretch, he can’t have known about that.

    There is just so many hours in a day and I think he has better things to worry about than a lone Chechen idiot, who may or may not turn out to do anything stupid.

  133. BorisG

    Boris, you and I know that Putin is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, but even so, I think that’s a stretch, he can’t have known about that.

    There are 3 possibilities

    1) bombing had nothing to do with he Russians
    2) it was oit was ordered by Chechen leader without Putin’s knowledge
    3) it was ordered by Chechen leader with Putin’s approval.

    I think 1 is still most probable, but 3) is a possibility. But 2 is utterly impossible. He can do whatever he wants in chechnya but in the US without Putin?

  134. BorisG

    Rasmussen: Trump job approval ticks up a point to 45-54, exactly the same as where it was before the meeting with Putin.

    To their credit, CNN reports this as well.

  135. Mark A

    Occam’s Razor Boris.

    These dick..s don’t need state approval to commit crazy (to us) acts.

  136. None

    2. More likely. Putin turns a blind eye to bastard Chechnen leaders on the proviso they keep the radical muzzys among them in check. If they don’t he moves in another bastard Chechnen threatens a full Russian take over.

  137. JC

    Marlon Swan.

    Wayne Swan has compared himself to Marlon Brando. Yes, Brando. The incoming Labor Party national president told the ACTU congress in Brisbane the actor was one of his inspirations in his increasingly radical old age. “In the movie The Wild One, Marlon Brando’s character is famously asked: ‘What are you rebelling against?’ Brando coolly responds — as only Brando can — ‘What’ve you got?’ ” he said. “You know, the older I get, the more I feel like Brando.”

  138. BorisG

    2. More likely. Putin turns a blind eye to bastard Chechnen leaders on the proviso they keep the radical muzzys among them in check.

    None, it is FSB, not chechens who informed FBI. And it is FSB who do passport controls. So the whole thing is not possible without FSB’s knowledge. You don’t suggest FSB cons stuff like this without Putin’s approval?
    If they have carte Blanche it is the same as approval.

  139. None

    Well that just seals it. Wayne Swan is stark raving mad. He can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality – indeed the entire GillardGreen government was like that. He feels like a character which Brando was portraying. A character which does not exist. And all he wants to do is rebel. Yep all that matters to the temper tanty delusional left is being left.

  140. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2768158, posted on July 20, 2018 at 2:48 am
    Well that just seals it. Wayne Swan is stark raving mad. He can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality – indeed the entire GillardGreen government was like that. He feels like a character which Brando was portraying. A character which does not exist. And all he wants to do is rebel. Yep all that matters to the temper tanty delusional left is being left.

    Yep. As I’ve said before, lefties are frozen in perpetual adolescence. Sad.

  141. Makka

    The Trump economy;

    Jobless Claims in U.S. Decline to Lowest Level Since 1969
    By Sho Chandra
    19 July 2018, 08:30 GMT-4 Updated on 19 July 2018, 08:38 GMT-4

    Unemployment lines across the U.S. last week were the shortest since December 1969, according to a Labor Department report Thursday that showed an unexpected drop in filings for jobless benefits.

  142. Tom

    Matt (Matt Pritchett, London Daily Telegraph).

  143. Tom

    Mac (Stan McMurtry, London Daily Mail).

  144. stackja

    Unions demand Bill Shorten make changes to offshore processing
    Sharri Markson, National Political Editor, The Daily Telegraph
    July 20, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    POWERFUL union leaders are set to demand Bill Shorten stops turning back people-smuggling operations at sea and ends offshore detention, putting pressure on the politician they helped elevate into the leadership.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal the final policy document of the ACTU, the unions’ peak body, voted on by all of its affiliated unions on Wednesday, calls for “an end to offshore solutions” that breach Australia’s international obligations under the UN Refugee Convention, along with stopping the practice of turning around boats full of illegal arrivals.

    The ACTU confirmed this policy document will form the basis of a list of demands the unions will make on Mr Shorten at the ALP National Conference in December, ahead of the federal election.

    “The offshore ‘processing’ system of asylum seekers in Nauru and Manus Island is discriminatory, and lacks transparency and independent oversight,” the ACTU congress policy document states.

    “Congress rejects other policies of ‘deterrence’ implemented alongside offshore detention, especially intercepting and turning back boats at sea, or transferring refugees to other vessels for immediate return to their countries of origin without a proper assessment of their claims for protection.”

    Mr Shorten’s alliance with several powerful unions, including the CFMMEU, Transport Workers Union, Health Services Union, Australian Workers Union and the Shoppies Union was a political strength that helped secure him the leadership.

    But there are now growing concerns from Labor MPs, particularly from the Right faction, that Mr Shorten is under pressure to adopt left-wing social and economic policies to appease the unions that backed him into the leadership — and that will see him at odds with the Australian electorate.

  145. None

    As I’ve been saying Miranda Devine is totally off her tree when it comes to fellating Turnbull https://mobile.twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1019802298363535362
    I want hope the poor suck would claim menopause or something but no no it seems she is genuinely bonkers. Naturally if you bring up something she was supposed to have heard and acted on 40 years ago she will have conniptions.

  146. None

    Perpetual adolescent it is, Dr Beaugan.

  147. None

    Dumb question are people going to get officially notified energy by mail that they will get a my health record which will be accessible to other people unless they opt out? My parents for example I’m not on the internet, watch satellite TV and have no idea that this is coming. I suspect that there are tens of thousands like them.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mr Shorten is under pressure to adopt left-wing social and economic policies to appease the unions that backed him into the leadership

    Mr. Shorten is under pressure to slit his own political throat. How sad. 🙂

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Gee, just scrolled up a bit more. Seems ‘sad’ is the word du jour.

    And here, the sun is also rising. A lovely glow starting towards the east silhouetting a big pine tree on the hillside, herald to a new day. Yawn. So much to do today before we take off termorrow.

    Must take a minute first to check out Tom’s huge cache of toons. Thanks Tom.

  150. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One of the benefits of turning 40 is I stopped being concerned about appearances

    And it shows, Glynnis. Random semi-dreadlocks are so late-last-century.
    Keep up with the times, Pollyanna. See a hairdresser.

  151. Rafe Champion

    Good morning Lizzie!

  152. Rafe Champion

    A bit early for Solar and Wind is delivering 8% of demand which is now almost 26GW and probably just about to pick up when we have breakfast.

  153. miltonf

    Trouble with people like swansteen-brando is they’ve had everything given to them. Have they ever had a job that requires resolution of real problems? May be that’s part of the reason they need the media to manufacture ‘problems’ for them to ‘solve’.

  154. BrettW

    You have to wonder if the ACTU and Union leaders have ever asked their members view of boat turn backs etc.

    This should be ideal election campaign material for Coalition but no doubt Turnbull will want to play nice again.

  155. miltonf

    I think Trumble would agree with the ACTU but he can’t say so.

  156. miltonf

    Not near an open mic anyway

  157. John Comnenus

    Vic Police are in the habit of sticking a massive bill to conservative or libertarian people they ‘protect’.
    When the police need to put heaps of coppers on the job to protect someone it tells me that they expect a violent assault to occur. A violent assault is a serious crime.

    Why aren’t VicPol out investigating and arresting the criminals who are a violent threat to the people they are ‘protecting’?

    Here are some questions the Liberals might ask the Police Minister in Parliament:
    Have VicPol ever arrested anyone for inciting violence against the people they charge money to protect? How many people have VicPol charged for incitement to this violence?
    How many people have been investigated for incitement to this violence?
    If none, why not?

  158. miltonf

    John C I seem to remember that Kennett wasn’t very sympathetic to Pauline supporters in Melb either. But yeah the selective policing is unreal.

  159. Herodotus

    Thanks Tom. Some good material coming from USA cartoonists on Trump Derangement. Pity there’s so much of the same syndrome in our own media.
    The list of insanity from Victorian politics continues to grow. Charging visiting speakers to protect them from violent leftist protests, hiking the royalties on coal to knobble Hazelwood or any other, long term stacking of judiciary, safe schools was born there, but now has spread. Denial about immigrant/reffo violence should have implications for Andrews reelection, but will it? Next they’ll follow TAS lead and ban BBQ smoke.
    Politics is so broken in this country it is hard to stay positive about the future.
    But thanks to Sinc for cleaning up the neighbourhood. Really, thanks very much.

  160. Clam Chowdah

    So happy to see David Leyonhjelm standing up to that giant baby, SHY.

    Stick to your guns, David!

  161. calli

    Good batch, Tom.

    Loved the Mac. Very clever.

    And Payne #1.

  162. entropy

    ic Police are in the habit of sticking a massive bill to conservative or libertarian people they ‘protect’.
    When the police need to put heaps of coppers on the job to protect someone it tells me that they expect a violent assault to occur. A violent assault is a serious crime.

    What would happen if the organisers refused to pay the cops? I mean, what would the cops do?

  163. calli

    Bon Voyage Lizzie. Don’t forget – go in the balloon. 🦓🦒🐆🐘🦏🐃

  164. Tom

    But thanks to Sinc for cleaning up the neighbourhood. Really, thanks very much.

    +1

  165. calli

    Thanks Tom. Some good material coming from USA cartoonists on Trump Derangement. Pity there’s so much of the same syndrome in our own media.

    Just watched a couple of sound bites on Seven with Kennett and Latham.

    Both ex-pollies were very measured and reasonable about the opposition Trump is up against, particularly from his own intelligence agencies. Kennett spelled it out.

    The talking heads were not happy.

  166. Rafe Champion

    First in a series of random videos of weird situations around the world including an avalanche on an Indian snowfield.

  167. calli

    It won’t last, Tom. Obsessions are like that.

  168. Rafe Champion

    A river of oil in Syria followed by a flood sweeping through a town in Columbia.

  169. Spider

    Old Leathery in a breathtaking display of lack of self awareness stated how curious it is the people on the right won’t criticise Trump no matter what. (He obviously doesn’t read the Cat).

    The thing is the opposite it also true then that folk on the left wouldn’t praise Trump if there life depended on it. Trump could find a cure for the common cold or solve world peace and the ABC would not even grudgingly acknowledge it.

  170. Elle

    Safe trip, Lizzie. Not sure about the balloon trip. Not for me. Deep breaths and hold onto Hairy.

    Great toons. Thank you, Tom.

  171. John Comnenus

    I don’t have the time to comment as frequently as I used to, but I very often stop by to look at Tom’s cartoon round up.

    Thanks Tom and keep em coming. Always a good start to the day.

  172. feelthebern

    Went to a Sydney CBD pub last night for the first time in about 6 months.
    $13 for a schooner of Asahi.
    FMD.
    Australia is cooked.

  173. feelthebern

    Quickly moved onto Carlton Draught.
    $8 bucks a schooner.
    People who drink at pubs are spendthrifts.
    Just like those people who turn their heaters on at night.

  174. John Constantine

    Smoking in the workplace.

    Demographically, the shearing industry is amongst the last big smoke holdouts.

    Next push is that the tradition of ‘smoko’ is subject to a thousand dollar fine to employers that permit it ‘ in the workplace’. No ashtrays in the smoko room, or at the landing. how far the team has to be sent away before they can smoke is an open question, with the most evangelical anti-smoking activists suggesting that sending them to the carpark to smoke in their vehicles isn’t far enough away.

    The day of activists getting jobs in sheds with hidden cameras to film illegal smoking by shearing teams would have sounded a joke five years ago.

    Comrades.

  175. feelthebern

    John, banning shearers from smoking sounds like something David Morrison would be pushing.

  176. None

    You have to wonder if the ACTU and Union leaders have ever asked their members view of boat turn backs etc.

    They did. There’s only five of them after all.

  177. Dave in Marybrook

    The last refuge of those who want to smoke on the job will be road workers… shamelessly hidden in the anonymity of flouro and cancer council shades, puffing away as witnesses drive by “slow” or “stop”.
    I smoked a cigarillo yesterday, to purge the taint of a post-mortem on a fox that the lovely lady doctor did. It was magnificent.

  178. Geriatric Mayfly

    Next push is that the tradition of ‘smoko’ is subject to a thousand dollar fine to employers that permit it ‘ in the workplace’. No ashtrays in the smoko room, or at the landing. how far the team has to be sent away before they can smoke is an open question,

    But there will be a box somewhere to dispose of your used injecting needles.

  179. John Constantine

    https://www.wool.com/on-farm-research-and-development/wool-harvesting-and-quality-preparation/health-and-safety/

    Here is a pack of thirty-six safety signs that are available to be displayed in your shearing shed for the special price of only twenty-five bucks.

    This only means that when the cute uni student rouseabout filling in for the day flirts with a shearer and gets him to pose for a photo, smoking in front of your ‘no smoking’ sign, that you are fully exposed to prosecution for flaunting your contempt for the State.

    I am actually in contempt of the State for failing to prominently display all the signs and posters they keep mailing out.

    I suppose that the day of sheep owners being sued by widows of shearers that died of lung cancer is looming.

    Welcome to Australia, Obeying all prominently displayed signs is our Strength.

    Comrades

  180. Tel

    They did. There’s only five of them after all.

    No way, check the paperwork, they have millions of members. They pay on time and everything.

  181. John Comnenus

    $13 an Asahi and $8 for a Carlton. You can’t afford to go out for a beer anymore. All driven by ever increasing indexation for greedy bureaucrats and politicians. Surely a drinkers and smokers party would get some votes.

  182. Tom

    People who drink at pubs are spendthrifts.

    I used to stop for a drink at my local about five nights a week — until the price went up. The prices are insane. I’d hate to be a publican forced to pay multiples of the going rate in the US for casual staff because of our mad industrial relations system.

    Even take-home beer is 50% tax.

    Just repeating in case you hadn’t heard: Australia is the most expensive place on earth for everything.

    Just as well we don’t have an economy that makes and exports stuff any more because of our insane electricity prices.

    The ponzi economy won’t last. But you knew that.

  183. rickw

    Demographically, the shearing industry is amongst the last big smoke holdouts.

    I remember shearing as the smell of smoke, tea, lanolin and kerosene. (Old shearing shed had a kerosene driven line shaft)

  184. John Comnenus

    Tom is right. Australia is determined to be the most expensive country in the world. Eventually everyone will come to regret it.

  185. calli

    Just repeating in case you hadn’t heard: Australia is the most expensive place on earth for everything.

    True. Bought some leather joggers online AUD32.50. Saw them in the shops -$110.

    Retail is dead. The latest nonsense is just putting bandaids on a corpse.

  186. H B Bear

    Went to a Sydney CBD pub last night for the first time in about 6 months.
    $13 for a schooner of Asahi.
    FMD.

    $18 was the worst I heard of during the Perth Boomtown (RIP) in Leederville. Cheapest now $5 at a couple of re-born 80s booze barns in Subiaco as it dies in the arse.

    I have no idea how pubs make any money in Perth without pokies. Most are being land-banked to be converted into Aldis, old peoples homes or dog-boxes.

  187. Myrddin Seren

    Somehow escaped from the Paywallian:

    Citizenship Minister Alan Tudge flags values test for migrants

    He said the current practice of granting permanent residency to about 100,000 migrants a year ­before “ever stepping foot in Australia” needed “further consideration”.

    Incredible – the same paper shufflers who stamped Man Haron Monis’s papers as ‘welcome to Australia Mr Iranian Secret Agent !’ are giving the VIP Entry Pass to 100 kpa of people who haven’t spent a day here yet, to see what sort of arrivals they will make before granting PR !!

    And then try booting them after they run to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

    I wish the Real Government ( the APS ) would stop making it blatantly clear they are pissing down on the rest of us from behind the ramparts of Fortress Canberra.

  188. 132andBush

    zyconoclast

    #2768108, posted on July 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm

    The fact that Glynnis MacNicol hasn’t reproduced is a positive for our civilization.

  189. Rockdoctor

    Was in Sydney last year. Inner city $13 schooners not uncommon in the bars. However one time found myself catching up with an old friend out at Liverpool in a dive of a pub close to the railway station for convenience where VB went for $5 a schooner. There are cheap places still around just be prepared to need to be deloused if you want the budget option…

  190. mh

    Sad, but not unexpected – Whooping Goldberg has been diagnosed with a serious case of TDS

    https://www.infowars.com/judge-jeanine-triggers-whoopi-you-have-trump-derangement-syndrome/

  191. OldOzzie

    Henry Ergas sums it up with an Excellent Article in The Australian Today

    HENRY ERGAS
    With NATO and Putin, Trump’s cleaning up after Obama

    In a widely acclaimed column in last weekend’s The New York Times, Bret Stephens argued that Donald Trump’s foreign policy aimed at one result and one result only: “The collapse of the liberal international order”, even at the cost of leaving America hated, feared and alone.

    That outcome would “be gratifying to Trump’s sense of his historical importance”, and it would also suit Russian President Vladimir Putin, “who knows that an America that stands for its own interests first also stands, and falls, alone”. But it would be a “historical disaster”, demeaning “the democratic ideals that America once embodied”, and reducing the US to a mere bully.

    Stephens’s is no voice in the wilderness. On the contrary, during the course of the past week the invective hurled at Trump became a torrent of abuse, in a crescendo that reached a peak after his press conference with Putin.

    Yet there is one thing none of his critics has been able to say: that the US President’s view of the situation America and its friends and allies confront is fundamentally incorrect.

    Nor could they. For it is an undeniable reality that by the time Trump came to office, the “liberal international order” was not even a shadow of its former self — it was a ghost whose death was barely disguised by the din of its rattling chains.

    No purpose would be served by recounting its downfall. Suffice it to note that the final blow was ­delivered by Trump’s predecessor, who will be remembered as one of the few US presidents whose foreign policy left every region of the world in worse shape than it was when he came to office. Exuding an air of Olympian ­superiority, Barack Obama allowed much of the Middle East to be ­reduced to rubble, while framing a nuclear treaty with Iran whose flaws are recognised by even its staunchest supporters.

    Paralysed by his failure to follow through on the “red line” he set for Bashar al-Assad, he created a vacuum that invited Russia’s resurgence as a ­regional military power, while standing impotently by as the ­Syrian tragedy unfolded.

    Nor did Obama rise above indecision in dealing with China. And on international trade he was scarcely better. Placing greater priority on climate change, he steadfastly refused to spend political capital on rebuilding support in his own party for an open trading system or on preventing the Doha Round from becoming the first multilateral trade ­negoti­ations to crumble, as they did in 2016.

    But no one could dispute Obama’s skills when sanctimonious rhetoric was required. While struggling to communicate with the Democrats’ traditional blue-collar constituency, he had a natural rapport with Europe’s political elite, who have elevated euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness to an art form.

    Little wonder then that during his presidency the US and the EU formed such a powerful choir lauding the “liberal international order” they were doing so much to discredit.

    That Trump is cut from a different cloth is obvious. Temperamentally, his attraction is to the strongmen — be it Russia’s Putin, Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, or Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu — who, in nurturing a direct relationship with their base, make bluntness a crucial feature of their persona.

    Their objectionable features are apparent, as is their hostility to democracy; but if they are such successful politicians it is at least partly because their message has the ring of truth. So too with Trump. Who, for example, could dispute Trump’s claim that the Europeans “free ride” on America’s defence spending? After all, since Lyndon Baines Johnson in 1966, every US president has deplored Europe’s refusal to shoulder its share of the military burden.

    The difference is that Trump has convinced the Europeans that his threats are credible, with the result that the latest opinion polls show rising public support for greater defence spending, even in Germany.

    Equally with China. When the Clinton administration approved China’s accession to the World Trade Organisation, it claimed China would speedily and permanently liberalise its trade and investment regime. Instead, under President Xi Jinping, China has veered into mercantilism, repeatedly breaching the rules it committed to in 2001.

    As those breaches occurred, Obama filed the right complaints, as did the EU; but it is only now, in the face of Trump’s punitive tariffs, that China’s ruling caste has shown even the slightest willingness to consider changing course.

    And so finally with Russia. As of December, Putin will be the second longest lasting ruler of Russia since the fall of the tsars, and he seems likely to remain in power for years to come; to believe global ­issues can be resolved without ­engaging with him is an infantile delusion.

    Yes, Putin meddled in the US presidential election, just as the US was, and remains, heavily involved in the domestic politics of Russia’s immediate neighbours.

    And yes, the Democrats’ incessant focus on those ham-fisted efforts riles Trump, who believes — quite understandably — that their main goal is to undermine his legitimacy. Smouldering with rage, he readily allows himself to be provoked into foolish denials.

    That Trump’s denials, the howls of protest they unleash and his subsequent backdowns are cringe-worthy hardly needs to be said. But it is equally certain that they are a sideshow. Ultimately, what matters is whether a working relationship is restored between the two countries, as Trump has sought to do.

    Trump’s instincts on those basic issues have therefore been vastly superior to those of his critics, who focus on his every slip with the spot-beam of pure hatred. To say that is not to excuse his many errors of judgment, including his misconceptions about international trade. Nor is it to minimise the myriad dangers his approach involves.

    But Machiavelli was right that politics holds no safe options — only ones that are more and less unsafe. And Machiavelli was also right that the prince, if he is to protect liberty from its foes, may have to choose being feared over being loved, as love is fickle while fear endures.

    That fear, however, should not be the terror of unpredictability and arbitrariness. Rather, as Machiavelli stressed, its handling demands leavening the ferocity of the lion with the cunning and ­intellect of the fox.

    So far, Trump has shown that he knows how to be a lion. Now, as the consequences begin to be felt, he must show more of the artfulness of the fox.

    The world he inherited offers him few pathways to success and many roads to failure; whether he can find the wisdom to navigate the risks that creates will determine his legacy, and our future.

    Henry Ergas
    Columnist

    Henry Ergas AO is an economist who spent many years at the OECD in Paris before returning to Australia. He has taught at a number of universities, including Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, the University of Auckland and the École Nationale de la Statistique et de l’Administration Économique in Paris, served as Inaugural Professor of Infrastructure Economics at the University of Wollongong and worked as an adviser to companies and governments.

    The Comments are extremely positive

  192. Baldrick

    Went to a Sydney CBD pub last night for the first time in about 6 months.
    $13 for a schooner of Asahi.
    FMD.

    Me: ‘Three schooners of New and a packet of Winnie Blues.”
    “That’ll be $57.80”
    Me: “Get the fcuk outta here!”

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    Professional provocateur Lauren Southern has reportedly been sent a $68,000 bill from Victoria Police for their resources.

    If those resources mean it’s just a matter of standing around with arms folded, the Sudanese community should be sent an invoice as well.

  194. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    Language and core values key to effective integration

    The Australian
    12:00AM July 20, 2018

    Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs Minister Alan Tudge issued an important warning in his speech to the Australia-UK Leadership Forum in London. Australia, he said, was “slightly veering towards a European separatist multicultural model and we want to pull it back to be firmly on the Australian integrated path”. The separatist model that often has prevailed in Europe has seen too many migrants transplant their entire practices, language and culture, with little expectation placed on them to share or mix with local communities. As former British prime minister David Cameron said in 2011: “We’ve even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.” Such a model, as Mr Tudge said, can be a formula for conflict and alienation.

    Last week, The Australian revealed that permanent migration has fallen to a 10-year low of 162,417, despite record applications. That pattern allows authorities to be highly selective about who joins our nation. We endorse the Turnbull government’s efforts to address the issues identified by Mr Tudge. These include the need to improve English-language skills among migrants, ensuring the acceptance of Australian values and encouraging more of those admitted under humanitarian programs to find work. For their own fulfilment, and for the sake of taxpayers, higher expectations should be placed on them.

    Mr Tudge did not pretend to have all the answers. It was a growing concern, he acknowledged, that the number and proportion of people with little or no English capability was rising rapidly and soon would total a million. That is similar to the level of non-English speakers in Britain, which has twice Australia’s population. The Australian has said previously that a language test for applicants seeking permanent residency would be a strong incentive for the partners of skilled migrants or people arriving under the family reunion program to learn the language. Immigrants in those categories do not have to pass any English test at present.

    As a means of developing social cohesion, Mr Tudge’s call for the promotion of values such as “freedom of speech and worship, equality between sexes, democracy and the rule of law, a fair go for all and the taking of individual responsibility” was timely. Being confident enough to call out practices that contradict those values, even if part of the culture of a particular group, is important. It is also the antithesis of postmodern ideas that have encroached on public debate, wrongly suggesting that no one set of values is better than another. We agree with Mr Tudge that while tolerance is generally a good principle, practices such as female genital mutilation, child marriage or women being prohibited from learning English, studying or driving must not be tolerated in Australia. Diversity and tolerance, as he says, are positive principles only when they operate within an agreed set of values, held collectively, that should not be compromised.

    Australia has been built by generations of migrants, integrating and enriching the wider whole with their hard work, talents and customs. Migrants living in isolated cultural and language bubbles in suburbs has never been the Australian way and the government is right to discourage it.

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Turkish court refues to extradite Australian terrorist Neil Prakash

    Ellen Whinnett
    The Australian
    8:31AM July 20, 2018

    A Turkish court last night refused to extradite Australia’s most wanted terrorist Neil Prakash, paving the way for his release before revoking his freedom before he set foot outside prison.

    The Kilis Criminal Court in Turkey has ruled that Prakash must stay behind bars to answer local terrorism charges, and adjourned his case until September 27.

    The decision emerged just two hours after the judge ordered him to be released, ruling that Australia’s bid to extradite him had failed.

    Judge Ismail Deniz, whoo had ordered Prakash’s release from the Gaziantep H-Type Prison where he has spent the past 27 months fighting extradition, then presided over a second hearing in a closed court and decided that Prakash should answer local charges of committing a crime against the state of Turkey by being a member of Islamic State.

    If he is dealt with as a regular member of Islamic State and convicted of those local charges, Prakash could expect to be sentenced to a jail term anywhere from seven to 15 years.

    If he is dealt with as a senior member of Islamic State, and convicted, he could expect a jail term of 25 years to life.

    From the Oz.

  196. Top Ender

    Whoopi? Whoopi?

    All these years I thought it was Whoopsi….

    Sigh!

    What sort of name is Whoopi anyway?

  197. Myrddin Seren

    What sort of name is Whoopi anyway?

    Goldberg – Oy Vey !!

  198. Infidel Tiger

    $3.50 -$4pints in Perth in many pubs.

    Plenty of good beers for $7-$9 a pint too.

    Recessions are great.

  199. Senile Old Guy

    Brilliant!

    Exuding an air of Olympian ­superiority, Barack Obama allowed much of the Middle East to be ­reduced to rubble, while framing a nuclear treaty with Iran whose flaws are recognised by even its staunchest supporters.

    But no one could dispute Obama’s skills when sanctimonious rhetoric was required. While struggling to communicate with the Democrats’ traditional blue-collar constituency, he had a natural rapport with Europe’s political elite, who have elevated euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness to an art form.

    Superb statements from Ergas.

  200. feelthebern

    IT, can you get Emu Lager on tap in Perth?

  201. Infidel Tiger

    You can get cans of Bush Chook at many pubs for $5.

  202. Leigh Lowe

    Beer prices in Melbourne are directly proportional to the length of the bar-tender’s beard.

  203. candy

    Trump has invited Putin to the Whitehouse later this year.

    I think he’s genuine in aiming for smooth Russia/America relationship. This must be pleasing to most Americans.

  204. .

    I smoked a cigarillo yesterday, to purge the taint of a post-mortem on a fox that the lovely lady doctor did. It was magnificent.

    They certainly are Dave.

    The bastards at the ATO have forced me to quit due to penury.

    I saw the price of a tin of pipe tobacco recently. $80. !!!. EIGHTY %$#@ing DOLLARS!

    Outrageous.

  205. zyconoclast

    National Fascist Federation?

    National Farmers Federation says electricity best place to make emissions cuts

    The National Farmers Federation has taken a veiled swipe at the Turnbull government’s signature energy plan, suggesting proposed emissions cuts in the electricity sector lack ambition and may have unfair consequences for agriculture.

    It said a robust emissions target “is about fairness” and the electricity sector represented “the most cost-effective ways to reduce our emissions”.

    The federation stopped short of calling for more stringent emissions cuts for electricity but said 26 per cent “should be the minimum target”.

  206. feelthebern

    Idea:
    WA secedes from Oz.
    Bali secedes from Indo.
    They form their own nation.

  207. feelthebern

    Beer prices in Melbourne are directly proportional to the length of the bar-tender’s beard.

    Melbourne birds sure have let themselves slide in recent years.

  208. Serena:

    Anyone got a quick link to some of the comforting words JC posted about Winston Smith at the time of Winston’s most recent heart surgery? Any example will do.

    It’s ok, Serena. Sometimes surgery can be a bit concerning if there’s a danger of not getting through it. But making sure you have a competent surgeon is something that keeps the anxiety down.
    Best of luck JC, just make sure they use plenty of anaesthetic.
    You’ll be up and around in a couple of weeks – after all, an ingrown toenail is damn painful.

  209. zyconoclast

    Nissan Leaf Nismo revealed

    Nissan has electrified its high-performance Nismo line-up with the addition of the Leaf Nismo that will launch in Japan at the end of this month.

    It will bring clean air excitement to the small hatch segment but rather than modify the drivetrain Nissan has simply tweaked the computer for quicker acceleration.

    A change of code “allows for a delicate but strong acceleration response” from the car that already has a naturally low centre of gravity due to the placement of the heavy battery array and its range should stay the same – or be less if giving it a squirt.

  210. JC

    Thanks for bringing that up Winston even though I never made fun of you before undergoing surgery. The Pubbler is a lying piece of fakenews dried turd and to some extent so are you for not correcting that dishonesty.

    And don’t worry about offering me the best of luck as I don’t don’t need it from you.

    I posted a comment asking for sympathy like that lying boofhead suggests. It was a lighthearted comment thinking about changing Docs.

    There’s something really sick about some of you battereds.

    Now go fuck yourself.

  211. JC

    Whoops I never posted a comment…

  212. candy

    Best of luck JC, just make sure they use plenty of anaesthetic.

    lol, like that won’t freak him out. Sounds like an in-house joke.

    Best of luck to JC, he seems a vigorous and sturdy type anyway. No need to bully Johanna and Des though. he should apologise. quite over the top and reading it all I felt upset for them.

  213. I used to stop for a drink at my local about five nights a week — until the price went up. The prices are insane. I’d hate to be a publican forced to pay multiples of the going rate in the US for casual staff because of our mad industrial relations system.

    Taxes payments from operations at my place are in the region of $40,000 – $50,000 per week, perhaps higher.
    This is payments which are 100% a tax payment to the Three levels of government. Mostly federal.
    This does not include income tax, nor hidden taxes (eg liquor excise or fuel tax etc)
    These taxes I have to cover before I start on paying the wages, or the bills.
    The average wage cost is north of $30 per hour, per person, every hour.

  214. C.L.

    Just repeating in case you hadn’t heard: Australia is the most expensive place on earth for everything.

    It has become a total shithole thanks to

    1. NINE governments for 20-something million people.
    2. The media.
    3. A moronic constitution that gave us the Senate.

    There was a way around the prices we pay by shopping online but, naturally, the Liberals under socialist asshole Malcolm Tunrbull banned it.

  215. woolfe

    Didn’t JC know that Johanna was a surgeon?

  216. C.L.

    Tough on Russian leaders, that’s the Democrats:

  217. max

    Old Ozzie, thanks for posting that excellent article by Henry Ergas.

  218. Myrddin Seren

    National Farmers Federation says electricity best place to make emissions cuts

    The National Farmers Federation has taken a veiled swipe at the Turnbull government’s signature energy plan, suggesting proposed emissions cuts in the electricity sector lack ambition and may have unfair consequences for agriculture.

    NFF xunts just trying to avoid a lynch mob from their dwindling membership by telling the Uniparty ‘Take them ( mere power generators ), not our hapless funders !’ – wink, wink.

    So firstly, try and run your commercial agriculture with expensive, intermittent electricity. Goodbye refrigerated dairy products – I loved my cheese.

    That of course won’t be enough for the Uniparty’s undying commitment to Paris, they are coming for the herds:

    It seems that further regulation in agriculture may be the direction of government policy. A reduction in sheep and cattle numbers would reduce the methane emissions which at present are about 60 Mt of CO2 equiv. gas and this might then give rise to land use changes with a reduction of emissions with the changes in land use absorbing more CO2.

    Which probably explains a slow-walk in terms of response to the prolonged drought out west. The dry spell is thinning herds and driving people off their farms – which is doubtless defacto government policy, because it is cheaper and less obvious than buying farms and closing them down.

    NFF – “First they came for the base-load power stations – and we screamed ‘Take them, not us !’ “

  219. Infidel Tiger

    Idea:
    WA secedes from Oz.
    Bali secedes from Indo.
    They form their own nation.

    I’d vote for it.

  220. stackja

    In the 1950s migrants made sure their children went to school and learnt to be good citizens. Then in the 1960s came the ‘new’ ALP.

  221. Senile Old Guy

    I saw the price of a tin of pipe tobacco recently. $80.

    I don’t smoke but Holy Crap! The product, minus the taxes, is probably $10. What an insane time to be alive.

  222. Myrddin Seren

    SATP

    Taxes payments from operations at my place are in the region of $40,000 – $50,000 per week, perhaps higher.
    This is payments which are 100% a tax payment to the Three levels of government. Mostly federal.
    This does not include income tax, nor hidden taxes (eg liquor excise or fuel tax etc)
    These taxes I have to cover before I start on paying the wages, or the bills.
    The average wage cost is north of $30 per hour, per person, every hour.

    Are you seeing an impact on your turnover from all this ?

    Not necessarily gross $s as yet – because rising prices means more absolute money flowing over ( while it lasts ). But in per capita spend or numbers of customers ?

    My thesis – going out for regular eats/drinks will return to being the province of the wealthy and well-connected, as normal people get priced back to their cold, dark dwellings.

  223. JC

    Candy

    I’m not taking sides or anything like that, but just highlighting it to show that Scott Adams is generally right when he says most people live their lives by hallucinating their way through.

    Jezebel spent, by my count, approximately three years bullying and abusing the other woman something awful here. It was concerted, it was continuous bullying and it was one sided. It was actually quite shocking to watch and if one ever wants to see a example of female bullying, then there’s nowhere better than rifling through the back pages of the Cat to see her in action. It was quite ugly stuff.

    The other day, Desk Desperson defended that oaf, stating she’s one of the sanest commenters here. At first I thought he was being sarcastic, but the realization set in. Desk he was actually being serious.
    Of course, I replied to Desk saying his judgement was massively impaired and that he should look through the cat and revise his opinion. He diverted that missile like an expert bureaucrat. In other words he refused to acknowledge the obvious mumbling some insane bullshit.

    Here’s the thing about Desk. Desk has said and others have more or less suggested the same thing. He/they believe Desk and Jezabel’s value added here was insight into APS profligacy.

    Like, is that for real…..
    I mean let’s not kid ourselves, like I/we need to be told how just how fucking useless, mendacious and predatory Canberra APS is? Really?

  224. H B Bear

    Melbourne birds sure have let themselves slide in recent years.

    I still have nightmares from a topless barmaid at one of the nearby pubs in the late 80’s. Imagine your Gran in a G string bending over to get a take-away six pack and you’re getting the idea.

  225. stackja

    How many people knew before the conference, that DT was meeting Putin? Now?

  226. .

    Gillard-Brown was the best counterfactual to argue against a unitary, unicameral legislature as our system of government.

  227. JC

    woolfe
    #2768265, posted on July 20, 2018 at 10:05 am

    Didn’t JC know that Johanna was a surgeon?

    Woolfe man, don’t frighten me like that.

  228. C.L.

    Australian blokes have girth problem of their own, of course, but fatness seems to be worsening among Australian women. Shopping the other day, I swear every woman I saw was incredibly fat-arsed and overweight. Then I noticed the Asian ladies shopping; all svelte and petite.

  229. stackja

    Senate was a brake on the ALP. Then came The Greens.

  230. EvilElvis

    I smoked a cigarillo yesterday, to purge the taint of a post-mortem on a fox that the lovely lady doctor did. It was magnificent.

    The post mortem or the fox, Dave?

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