The new socialism just like the old socialism

Just think of this in the Age of Venezuela: AP: ‘Democratic Socialism is Surging’. It was surging before and will continue to surge after since socialists are by definition ignorant to an amazing extent about both history and how an economy works. Here’s some of what it says:

As Donald Trump’s presidency stretches into its second year, democratic socialism has become a significant force in Democratic politics. Its rise comes as Democrats debate whether moving too far left will turn off voters….

The most ambitious Democrats in Washington have been reluctant to embrace the label, even as they embrace the policies defining modern-day democratic socialism: Medicare for all, a $15 minimum wage, free college tuition and the abolition of the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE….

Sanders’ plan to provide free government-sponsored health care for all Americans had no co-sponsors in 2013. Today, more than one-third of Senate Democrats and two-thirds of House Democrats have signed onto the proposal, which by one estimate could cost taxpayers as much as $32 trillion.

The co-sponsors include 2020 presidential prospects such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and California Sen. Kamala Harris.

Spokesmen confirmed that none of the senators consider themselves democratic socialists, but made no effort to distance from the movement’s priorities.

Most support the push to abolish ICE, which enforces immigration laws.

Complete morons by political operatives who are as shallow as shallow can be about anything actually related to the operation of an economy, never mind the essentials of a free society. And then there’s this:

There is little distinction made between the terms “democratic socialism” and “socialism” in the group’s literature. While DSA-backed candidates promote a “big-tent” philosophy, the DSA constitution describes their members as socialists who “reject an economic order based on private profit” and “share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

Members during public meetings often refer to each other “comrades,” wear clothing featuring socialist symbols like the rose and promote authors such as Karl Marx.

Mainstream nutters getting more mainstream all the time, but as dangerous as it is possible to be.

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36 Responses to The new socialism just like the old socialism

  1. Roger

    … a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships.”

    In which some will be more equal than others and dissenters will be sent to gulags.

    Socialism is humanity’s recurring nightmare.

  2. Dr Fred Lenin

    Love the saying by Galbraith the economist ,Capitalism is people exploiting the labour of other people ,Communism is the exact opposite .
    Socialism l by any name is Marxist fascism ,it cannot exist without total control and other peoples labour and money. The crony capitalists who “support” socialism are exactly the same as the capitalist who supported the German socialist fascist Hitler and used the slave labour he sold them cheaply to increase their personal wealth . Both are the replacements for the aristocratic exploiters of history and even more criminal .

  3. stackja

    Nomenklatura/Politburo had dachas.

  4. Jumpnmcar

    The ALP is a socialist party, they can’t deny it, it’s written in their charter.
    Why the dumb Coalition don’t press this point at every opportunity I don’t know.
    The MSM aren’t going to.

  5. Iampeter

    Complete morons by political operatives who are as shallow as shallow can be about anything actually related to the operation of an economy, never mind the essentials of a free society.

    Right but where is this outrage of Trump’s socialist policies, from trillion dollar infrastructure bills to tariffs to even regulating immigration the way old-school, union-era socialists have always wanted? What about the monumental failure to repeal Obamacare (why do you think so many democrats are suddenly signing up for further socialization of America’s healthcare)? Or trying to prevent mergers among private enterprise?

    Sorry but like all to many you post “grrr socialism” but you only seem to have a problem with the word itself and none of the underlying policies. You don’t seem to actually disagree with socialism other than in the most superficial and trivial way.

    Pretty sure when Trump gets around to pushing something like “free government-sponsored health care for all Americans” you’ll call him the Thomas Jefferson of our time or something and be all for it.

  6. Trump has caused the Democrats to lose all sense of reality and they are truly becoming insane. They just keep giving and giving to Trump at every turn.

    The Democrats think going full on Socialism is going to make them invincible. Do they not realise that the millions of illegals in the US, and those on their way, are there because they wanted to escape Socialism?

    I wonder at what point Silicon Valley, the Hollywood elite, the MSM (what’s left of them) and other major businesses start realising that the only place from where all of this money for Socialism can come from is them?

    In what Socialist country do such groups and companies etc exist? Wealth and power is only held by a very small group, and usually an individual or two at most.

  7. Eyrie

    The problem is that we are the descendants of lazy drunken monkeys who got into the fermenting fruit. I’ll say again LAZY. Much more tempting to take some else’s stuff than to grow, hunt, make your own.
    In that way Socialism appeals to human nature – until it happens, when nobody can be bothered to grow, hunt, make and everybody has nothing becasue that is the other part of human nature – what is mine is mine.

  8. John Constantine

    Is Better in Australia, as we are having:

    Comrade Maaaaaaaates.

  9. RobK

     but as dangerous as it is possible to be.
    The problem is that new technology is available so now we will be able to do socialism properly, this time. People farming is cheaper now . Capitalism has shown that. All we need now is full control of the machinery of change.
    The danger is greater than ever; it’s almost inevitable.

  10. Augustus Carp

    ” capitalist who supported the German socialist fascist Hitler and used the slave labour he sold them cheaply to increase their personal wealth…”
    The egregious Oskar Schindler being a prime example.

  11. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld

    Socialism is humanity’s recurring nightmare.
    Great quote and totally true except we should stop calling it “socialism” and call it by its true name; “Communism”. I think many people in their quest for power over the masses tend to ignore or pretend things like Venezuela are not happening. The people of that country are suffering horrendous deprivation and misery at this marvellous dogma. We have forgotten the long suffering Cubans in their poverty stricken dilemma and maybe China where the iron fist of communism is masked by their venture into successful capitalism.
    Here in Australia we have lots of young people being taught the bright eyed theory of communism but never the history, the misery, murder and mayhem that always follows this grisly dogma.

  12. mh

    Sorry but like all to many you post “grrr socialism”

    Is this how Open Society members talk? Iampeter must mix in some strange circles.

  13. Entropy

    Iampeter rejects anything not pure enough. There is no balance in his world.

  14. Jannie

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again

    The change, it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fold, that’s all
    And the world looks just the same
    And history ain’t changed
    ‘Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again, no, no

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
    Do ya?

    Yeaah!

    There’s nothing in the streets
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again, no no

    Yeaaah!
    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

  15. Roger

    Great quote and totally true except we should stop calling it “socialism” and call it by its true name; “Communism”.

    Communism is the “purest” form of Socialism, Dave, but I doubt many on our Prog Left (aside from the Trotskyites) desire the communal ownership of all property. And they certainly wouldn’t if they experienced it…just imagine having to give up the inner city terrace house, electric car and overseas holidays!

  16. Up The Workers!

    “Democratic Socialism”???

    That’s odd.

    I could have sworn it was actually “Cretinous Stupidity”.

    Just watch out on the lethal streets of the Mogadishu-by-the-Yarra C.B.D. in coming months.

    I hear that after the stunning success of Friday night’s exercise in gratuitous punishing of the innocent conservative victims of violent leftard thuggery, leftard vandalism and leftard totalitarian bash-artists, Labor’s(sic) Ashton’s Circus Farce Command will in future be issuing all victims and bereaved relatives of future murderous terrorist incidents in the Bourke Street Mall, on Elizabeth Street and also on Flinders Street with $68,000.00 fines per head for deliberately stopping a Leftard’s fist, boot, rock, stick, knife or speeding car.

    Dodgy Dan, his 40 Thieves and all those members of the Ashton’s Circus ‘Ethical Standards Command” who are not currently assigned to submitting the latest batch of one million fraudulent Breathalyser Tests, or snoring on the job while the State Ombudsman has to do all the proper Police work, will be on the lookout to pounce on any and all innocent conservatives with their $68,000.00 on-the-spot fines.

    You have been warned.

    It’s all Part of the new, tough A.L.P./C.F.M.M.E.U. ‘Lawlessness and Disorder Policy’.

    Sieg Heil!

  17. Makka

    Most support the push to abolish ICE, which enforces immigration laws.

    ICE also enforce, with a good deal of success, the US child trafficking laws thus preventing thousands of children ending up in an abusive hell on earth.

    The left want this abolished as well. Remember well this point when discerning motives of the Socialist slime. The left want weak child trafficking enforcement. They want those kids.

  18. 2dogs

    Most support the push to abolish ICE, which enforces immigration laws.

    The Democrats’ pledge to abolish ICE should be understand in the same manner as Obama’s pledge to shut down Guantanamo Bay.

    They won’t actually do it, but will use its mere existence as a means to score political points against the Republicans until such time as the next Democrat president gets elected. Then, immediate about face,

  19. Iampeter

    Iampeter rejects anything not pure enough. There is no balance in his world.

    Oh its prefectly balanced. You’re either on the side of freedom and capitalism or you’re a collectivist of one kind or another.

    The confused and incoherent leftists of the conservative movement are not an alternative to the coherent leftists of the progressives and “alt-rightists”, just their useful idiot foot soldiers.

  20. Dr Fred Lenin

    Lots of people talk about the communist government in China ,it is not really communist when it allows exploitation of labour by crony capitalists it is mor a fascist government ,
    like Hitlers socialists who also allowed capitalism . But by having aspirational capitalism they have sown the seeds of their own destruction,the workers are now used to getting disposable income ,witness the cars etc , and it all relies on trade balances in their favour ,why do you think they instructed their media to go softly on Trump . The loss of US trade would leave many thousands of disgruntled unemployed blaming the communists for their misfortune ,and there is no way the people are going back to being starving compliant peasants . PS trotskyists are not socialists they are dyed in the wool communist fascists Trotsky was in Lenin’s government when Cheka was murdering thousands for not complying with the Bolsheviks , he never once protested against the slaughter . It was a good thing Stalin had him killed or he woukd have been diefied by the idiot left ,like whitlam .
    Another example of the left shooting themselves in the foot.

  21. Egor

    You can gnash your teeth and rant about free markets…. the 1st world will eventually always have a fairly socialised health care model, like Australia. Otherwise the bottom 40% get very basic “care”, as with the previous US model. In Australia heart transplants are on the taxpayer, in the US they were a case of selling your house if you don’t have elite insurance. 40% can’t afford elite insurance. It’s not that difficult a concept.

  22. Petros

    Egor the German system works quite well and it is technically private insurance, it is just compulsory.

  23. mh

    Liberty Quote

    Bend over libertarians, open your theory books and get ready to scream “this wasn’t meant to happen” or “you’re doing it wrong” or “if you look at page 59, you can’t actually be doing this” as the communist fist is shoved up hard.

    – struth

  24. Tel

    http://www.lse.ac.uk/Events/2018/06/20180612t1800vSZT/a-lecture-by-nick-clegg

    I know it’s about as enjoyable as shooting yourself in one foot with a nail gun and then dancing a one-sided Irish jig, but if you follow the link to the podcast above there is education to be had listing to the lovable buffoon pretending to have some clue about liberalism.

    He even takes a moment to bash libertarians in a flurry of emotional but nonsensical pap which gets his collectivist audience nicely excited.

  25. Egor

    ” technically private insurance, it is just compulsory.”

    Yeah, someone subsidises those who cannot buy insurance at market rates. See the taxpayer. There is no other way.

  26. Roger

    Trotsky was in Lenin’s government when Cheka was murdering thousands for not complying with the Bolsheviks , he never once protested against the slaughter . It was a good thing Stalin had him killed or he woukd have been diefied by the idiot left

    Whatever happened to
    Leon Trotsky?
    He got an ice pick
    That made his ears burn

    No more heroes anymore!

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg2np37JNEg&w=560&h=315%5D

  27. Iampeter

    Yeah, someone subsidises those who cannot buy insurance at market rates. See the taxpayer. There is no other way.

    Well this is my point. Anyone who thinks “there’s no other away” than socialism in one form or another has no business making “grrr socialism” posts like Steve here has done.

    Just face it, you’re socialists.

  28. Egor

    Indeed Iamp, I agree, all Liberts must be socialists, unless they’re independently wealthy.

  29. John Bayley

    The reason for the ridiculous costs of medical care in the USA has nothing to do with the free market; actually the opposite.
    It is essentially down to cartelisation and monopolistic practices, which the government has helped put in place and now refuses to dismantle.
    Furthermore, last time I looked, more than half of the medical system fell into the goverment-provisioned space, through the delivery of their Medicare/Medicaid programs.
    If anyone here is truly interested in the topic, then please google it. You may be surprised at what you’ll find.
    In the end, ask yourself why it should be that the private sector delivers essentials like food production much more efficiently and cheaply than the government ever cod, and yet somehow the same would not apply to health?

  30. Habib

    Bit of a bugger how history keeps repeating, and the lumpen proles aren’t getting any smarter either. Seems that humans need a good old fashioned full-on war every now and then to get focus back onto reality. They also were handy for culling the more cognitively challenged, however now it’s such a specialised profession you risk losing your best and brightest, with the stupid and useless avoiding involvement by protesting, interfering with logistics and generally aiding and abetting the enemy. Of course the likely antagonists don’t give a shit about such frippery, and will round up all their none-too-bright military age males (and maybe chicks as well) and send them out into a hail of overwhelming firepower.

  31. Iampeter

    Spot on John Bayley, great post.

  32. JC

    John B

    The other big problem with the US system is that health insurance is state based which means each state adds their own mandates and requirements, so economies of scale are very limited.

  33. JohnL

    Socialism is humanity’s recurring nightmare.

    Just as Islam!

  34. Nerblnob

    This is the kind of inane rot that has the SJW media posting “Nailed it!”:
    https://eand.co/why-artificial-scarcity-is-killing-you-d19ff364c812

    The author has a series of articles like this.
    https://eand.co/@umairh

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