The purity wing of the political right

Here’s how it is. The only president on our side of the fence is Donald Trump, just as the only Prime Minister on the Liberal side is Malcolm Turnbull. All present alternatives from other political parties are worse, much worse.

With Donald Trump, thus far he has not tried to do anything I disagree with. He gets it on open borders, public spending, climate change, the Middle East, China, our Nato allies, Brexit and just about everything else. I am not even in the slightest concerned with his personal style, and I love his twitter feed which is a wonderful addition to public discourse. The only reservation I have had was that he was concerned about rising interest rates, but this is a technical thing, and about which in my own view higher rates will stimulate growth since it will reduce the proportion of our savings going towards unproductive projects. On this I am not going to make a fuss, and about everything else I am with him 100%. On tariffs, I am generally in favour of free trade, but only among nations in which cheating on their obligations is not the rule but the exception. I am also pleased to see trade issues being used to achieve foreign policy outcomes, such as the pressure being put on North Korea and its allies to get rid of its nuclear weapons.

About Malcolm I have had my doubts in the past but he is the PM and he leads a party who are generally speaking on my side of things, far more than the people anywhere else. I wish him success, and in that I wish even more success to those members of the party holding their cattle prods to induce the PM to do the right thing. His instincts are generally terrible, but he seems pretty sound on stopping the boats, and seems to be getting the message about population growth. He even seems to be seeing the light about coal-driven power stations. I want him to win the next election, and my preference is not marginal but overwhelming. Lots of things I don’t like about Lib-Nat policies at the moment, but while selling the pass in some areas they are still well in front so far as my own agendas are concerned. I just wish they would become more of a entrepreneurial party – cut down their own spending and reduce business regs much much more than they have, but you can’t always get everything you want.

At Freedomfest I met up with many many people with whom I could agree on things almost totally across the board, a very rare experience but an immense pleasure. But the minute I walked out of the conference venue, there I was in the middle of Las Vegas among people for whom none of that would be true. Not that they wouldn’t necessarily agree with me if they thought about things. But that they never think about these things so don’t agree with my views mostly because CNN got to them first and with better production values.

I am not and never have been a member of the purity wing of the right side of the political divide. I worked in policy far too long to even begin to hope to see things done as I would wish most of the time. Democrats and socialists are a lost cause, same again with the #NeverTrump wing of the so-called right. They are political fools and a danger to us all. On our side there are many points of view, even people who think climate change is a genuine issue that needs urgent attention.

But I do have to say that if you do not see the virtues in the miraculous election of Donald Trump as president, you are a political fool of the highest order. Your opinions are dead to me since as far as I am concerned, you are as big a political dimwit as I can possibly imagine.

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68 Responses to The purity wing of the political right

  1. stackja

    Just get the right results.

  2. Trax

    Politics is about going in the direction you want, the main choice being between more freedom or less freedom.
    The left understand this, they always seek to create less freedom.

  3. Confused Old Misfit

    Someone else who is aware of the evil of throwing out the good for want of the perfect!
    That concluding para! Gold!

  4. Oh come on

    Are you drawing some kind of equivalence between Malcolm Turnbull and Donald Trump?

    No, that dog won’t hunt.

    Bush 41, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney – they were all the lesser of two evils picks, as you seem to be asserting Turnbull is. You apparently think Trump belongs with this bunch of losers (some had their wins but in the great scheme of things are losers).

    Trump, distinct from all of the others above, fights the cultural war. And he fights to win, unashamedly. McCain was no happy warrior – Trump is a goddamn happy warrior, and unlike McCain, Trump wins.

    No. There is no meaningful equivalence between Trump and Turnbull. I have no doubt whatsoever that privately, Turnbull regards Trump in the way he’d consider something he carelessly stepped in whilst walking along a dog beach. Trump, bless him, doesn’t give a rat’s about what lightweights like Turnbull think of his agenda.

    If Turnbull could find a US political figure to be his soul mate, it’d be Jeb!

    No apologia for the Liberal Party. No specious claims that it’s even partially undergoing some kind of Trump-style revolution. It isn’t and it never will, given its current values. Burn the whole thing down and rebuild.

  5. the virtues in the miraculous election of Donald Trump as president

    Surely his beatification is at hand, if not his ascension to the right hand of God.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Surely his beatification is at hand, if not his ascension to the right hand of God.

    Glad to see that this blogs resident Fascist hyena has finally seen the light.

  7. struth

    In less than two years of Donald Trump’s presidency the worst thing has happened to the left.
    They have been exposed.
    They have been exposed because Trump is not bought and paid for and is fighting.

    And yes, Monty, he is a f…ing god send.

    Although god sure did take his time.
    I agree with Steve.
    Those that can’t see what Trump is doing, cannot be taken seriously.
    If they can’t understand the nature of the attack by the left, and the priorities they should apply because of it, and factor that in to their response to Trump, then they are truly part of the problem.

  8. mh

    Re the last paragraph. If you are going to make statements like that, then make the case. This is just a lightweight ramble.

    I don’t think you should be happy to overlook Federal government spending, either. Not one of your better efforts, Steve.

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  10. Bela Bartok

    Turnbull is part of the swamp.

  11. Iampeter

    At Freedomfest I met up with many many people with whom I could agree on things almost totally across the board

    Like what? That you all agree that “I worked in policy far too long to even begin to hope to see things done as I would wish most of the time”? You all agree that you have no ideas and its time to give up?
    See this is the thing Steve, the issue that those of us who are actually right wing (individualists, capitalists and advocates of rights protecting government) have with conservatives is not a matter of purity, it’s not one or two issues that we disagree on. It’s the very fundamentals. You and others like you have long abandoned any coherent ideology or set of ideas that are an alternative to the left. You’re collectivists of the religious/traditionalist/whatever else comes to mind variety and as collectivists, you are leftists.
    A typical conversation with conservatives today (and there are plenty examples threads at the cat now) goes something like this:
    Iampeter: hey what about we get government out of healthcare?
    Conservatives: that’s impossible, gov healthcare is here to stay.
    Iampeter: OK what about education
    Conservatives: look that’s just not practical.
    Iampeter: OK, what about roads, infrastructure, anything? You name something.
    Conservatives: oh that’s just theory. Give one example where your ideas work. Go back to your books, etc, etc.
    That’s why you’ve latched onto Trump for dear life. In the absence of any ideas your politics amounts to yelling “somebody do something, somehow!” and along comes a loud mouth like Trump so you can all keep pretending to be a political movement for a little bit longer.

    In reality, the biggest threat to those of us who are actually on the right are the millions of people like you who have either given up or never really had any alternative ideas to collectivism/leftism to begin with and who are preventing any real right wing movements from coalescing in the mainstream.

  12. Mark A

    Lib-Nat policies at the moment, but while selling the pass in some areas they are still well in front so far as my own agendas are concerned. I just wish they would become more of a entrepreneurial party – cut down their own spending and reduce business regs much much more than they have

    Beg your pardon?
    Where and when did they do that? Quite the opposite I would think.

  13. Mark A

    #2770194, posted on July 23, 2018 at 2:12 am

    Lib-Nat policies at the moment, but while selling the pass in some areas they are still well in front so far as my own agendas are concerned. I just wish they would become more of a entrepreneurial party – cut down their own spending and reduce business regs much much more than they have

    I beg your pardon?
    Where and when did they do that? Quite the opposite I would think.

  14. md

    His instincts are generally terrible, but he seems pretty sound on stopping the boats, and seems to be getting the message about population growth. He even seems to be seeing the light about coal-driven power stations.

    Or they have a carefully crafted strategy of baiting their base with pretend reforms.

  15. 132andBush

    Surely his beatification is at hand, if not his ascension to the right hand of God.

    Trump is Gods bouncer, monty.

  16. Senile Old Guy

    Kate’s is trolling, surely? Turnbull has done a great job of implementing ALP policy, better than Shorten could have done.

  17. Herodotus

    Turnbull has not seen the light re coal power. Or nuclear. Or anything, really.
    He’s making a few noises, that’s all. Meanwhile the stooge Frydenberg is out front making all those lame statements about energy prices, but not backing sensible reliable and affordable baseload stations, new or refurbished, in any proper fashion.
    I concede that Labor with its indelible green tinge is now unthinkable, but unless there’s a more conservative/sensible lever applied to the coalition they will continue to veer left and stuff things up. Just not quite as badly as Labor would, but so far it’s only some backbench pressure that’s kept the current backstabber regime from going full retard.

  18. The more wins that Trump delivers, not only on his own turf but elsewhere, the more that imbecile Turnbull will have to take note. His own party will have to start becoming vocal and pointing out how the US is growing stronger and stronger and the people becoming better off every day through US policies that are ostensibly diametrically opposite to that of the LNP.

    Even Australians will slowly find out how things are now on the up and up in the US, despite how the Australian MSM tries to hide things. You can only keep things hidden from the people for so long before they are exposed. It’s a bit like how the Soviet Union tried to hide what was going on in the west at the height of the Cold War, yet people found out anyway.

  19. miltonf

    Kate’s is trolling, surely? Turnbull has done a great job of implementing ALP policy, better than Shorten could have done. +1


    Or they have a carefully crafted strategy of baiting their base with pretend reforms.

    That certainly seems to be the case

  20. None

    I think Trump is doing ok. I think Turnbull is a waste of space. In Australia we now have a choice between left and more left. The only difference between the two Majors at the moment is that one stop the boats and the other one doesn’t 12 and the only reason One Stop the boats was because Tony Abbott had planned for it a year before he was elected and got it implemented as a priority. Don’t think there aren’t enough pants sweaters among the leaves hello Malcolm who would like to dismantle it again. That is the only thing that differentiates the two. In Australia we have a choice between dumb left and looney left, that’s it.

  21. Tel

    Turnbull’s one and only good feature is that he is highly ineffective, waffles around and doesn’t achieve very much. He thus displaces anyone else from the big chair and reduces the damage that government can do.

    In a nutshell the less he does the better he is.

    I think Trump is doing ok. I think Turnbull is a waste of space. In Australia we now have a choice between left and more left.

    No no! The space Turnbull takes up is the most important thing about him. The real choice in Australia right now, is between the incompetent left and the competent left.

    Turnbull’s skill is to hold onto power like a limpet, he doesn’t hold power for any greater purpose, he simply holds it tightly so he can have it. Such men are predictable and safe… you can be sure he won’t be getting any big ideas or seeking to reshape Australia.

  22. Mark M

    “I don’t care if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.”

    That’s Trump to a T and the very opposite of his adversaries, who obsess about whether a cat is black or white and couldn’t care less if it catches mice.  Trump’s pragmatism exposes their (no other word) bullshit. All they want to do is talk and do nothing. Thus, he leaves them naked, which generates yet more rage.

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/why-the-left-is-having-a-nervous-breakdown/

    Sadly for Australia, Turnbull is not on the Trump train.

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    About Malcolm I have had my doubts in the past but he is the PM and he leads a party who are generally speaking on my side of things

    Turnbull is a left wing PM in a centre-left party.

    The damage he is doing to Australia is incalculable with energy policies based on the lie of CAGW. He is also promulgating social policies on LGBTQ and freedom of speech that are lefty. Left wing parties destroy countries, right wing ones build them. The LNP is not of the Right, although a very small shrinking minority of their MPs are.

    I would place the LNP Government clearly to the left of Hawke-Keating Government.

  24. None

    Turnbull’s skill is to hold onto power like a limpet, he doesn’t hold power for any greater purpose, he simply holds it tightly so he can have it. Such men are predictable and safe… you can be sure he won’t be getting any big ideas or seeking to reshape Australia.

    Of course. Silly me
    It is only Lucy who split Sydney into 3, dreamt up the stupidity of snowy 2, stole our super, is pushing for government-backed murder, and thinks sticking your dick up other people shitholes is marriage. . .

  25. Iampeter

    No no! The space Turnbull takes up is the most important thing about him. The real choice in Australia right now, is between the incompetent left and the competent left.

    Yep exactly.

    I would place the LNP Government clearly to the left of Hawke-Keating Government.

    Also this.

    The only other thing I’d add is, the situation is so bad that by doing very little, Turnbull is the least bad PM we’ve had since Keating. At least he isn’t creating the environmentalist bureaucracy that has destroyed our energy sector (we have Howard to thank for that) and he isn’t creating cradle to grave welfare in this country (we have Howard to thank for that too). Abbott helped build on Howard’s leftist agenda in the short time he was in office with things like Direct Action.

    So put in perspective, Turnbull doesn’t deserve all the “grrrrr” he is getting from conservatives.
    Not when they consider the most left wing government in Australia’s history the last TRULY conservative government.

  26. Dr Fred Lenin

    The n]major difference between Trump and politicians is that Trump is not a politician,that is why he is refreshing and successfull he already has a real job ,not like career politicians who mostly have never had a real job . He probably wants a second term to complete his plan to MAGA .
    As for beatification that is usually reserved for religious nuts and socialist gangsters like Trotsky Castro Mao pol pot whitlam etc . Donald would laugh at the idea , turnbull would be all for it .

  27. Tom

    Turnbull is wedded to Big Government (which the Liars gave to us from 2007 to 2013 and the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals are expanding), hyper-regulation of the economy, a broken industrial relations system and wrecking the electricity grid. He’s part of the global problem Trump is trying to fix.

    The choice is between hell and a hotter hell: do you keep Turnbull in charge and maintain an economy on the verge of recession, with a falling standard of living, stagnant wages and a GDP growth rate of around 2 per cent (like Obama’s America); or do you hand the show over to Albo or Peanut Head and get Obama’s America Down Under on steroids with a lawless IR system and union thugs killing the economy?

    The Stupid.Fucking.Liberals believe in nothing but hanging onto power (just like the Liars). They stand for everything that is stuffed about Australia and its future.

  28. None

    And while Turnbull is a do nothing the lefties’ march through our institution continues, our energy sector gets entirely decimated, a manufacturing shuts down completely while he continues to allow himself to be blackmailed into implementing even more Loony Lefty policies. So the choice is between limp duck and pin prick well Australia goes down the gurgler.

  29. Roger

    [Trump] gets it on open borders, public spending, climate change, the Middle East, China, our Nato allies, Brexit and just about everything else…if you do not see the virtues in the miraculous election of Donald Trump as president, you are a political fool of the highest order. Your opinions are dead to me since as far as I am concerned, you are as big a political dimwit as I can possibly imagine.

    So why isn’t Trumble dead to you, Steve?

  30. bollux

    Steve, economically I agree with everything you say [like B.S.], but as for Turnbull, he is just a roadblock preventing anything good from happening on the right side of things. His only redeeming feature is that he is a coward, and that prevents him from doing anything spectacularly bad, but keeps him in there implementing Labor policies, bit by bloody bit.

  31. The significant difference between Trump and Turnbull, politically, is dispositional. Trump and his team’s disposition is towards national sovereignty, less regulation, and so on, while Turnbull’s isn’t. Also, Trump is concerned about his political support base while Turnbull is not.

  32. indolent

    Politics is about going in the direction you want, the main choice being between more freedom or less freedom.
    The left understand this, they always seek to create less freedom.

    Yes. I was watching Outsiders yesterday morning and they had a very well spoken person (whose name I don’t recall) from the lighting industry as a guest who really frightened me. He was talking about proposed regulations which would effectively ban decorative lighting because of “climate change”. “Climate change” is being used to rip our freedoms from us one by one. The Soviet Union was used in the discussion as a comparison and its no exaggeration. When you start micro-managing and central planning to such as extent, that’s exactly where we’re going to end up. In dim and dreary grey uniformity and darkness.

  33. Hamish Marshall

    Steve, if you are going to do equivalences, get them right. The ‘never Trump’ mob are intellectually on a par with the ‘never Abbott’ mob. Turnbull’s ‘never Abbott’ lunacy has been plain for most of us to see for almost a decade, give or take. He is a hundred miles to the left of the Walsh Keating Hawke governments and is virtually the polar opposite of Donald Trump in government.

  34. Mother Lode

    Paraphrasing (because I cannot precisely recall) a line of Nietzsche’s:

    A people is just a roundabout way nature takes to great men.

    Trumble looks at himself, I think, as a great man. We hoi polloi make sense to him in this manner: We provide the environment within which he lived, provided the foil against which he sharpened his greatness, and provide the opportunities for his to shine.

    Similarly I expect when he stands in front of a mirror he sees a lantern-jawed colossus, with broad shoulders, piercing eyes, a prominent bulge in the front of his britches, and whose very feet being on the ground hold the earth in its place.

  35. cohenite

    The difference between Trump and turdball is profound: turdball is a narcissist, interested in things only to the extent they reflect on him; his ambition to be PM is merely that, an empty desire, although his belief in alarmism is about as profound as he can get about anything. Turdball has no empathy with the punters and his promulgation of ideas such as mass immigration, islam, renewables and alarmism are devoid of any critical awareness of the effect of them on Australia.

    Trump is a confident man who has prepared for being POTUS by recognising what is wrong with his country and how it was being run. He has prepared for this for decades as past interviews show. Trump invests his confidence in running the US for the benefit of its citizens and for what it should be.

    Trump’s presidency is an intensely moral presidency because it is devoted to the benefit of the US citizens. Turdball’s prime ministership is immoral because it is for his benefit and his indulgences.

  36. Herodotus

    By George, I think Cohenite has hit it, as has BoN above.

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    Donald Trump loves America and Americans. Turdbull only loves himself.

  38. Actually, the most important thing about Trump is that he fights. Turnbull doesn’t.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    “dover_beach
    #2770302, posted on July 23, 2018 at 10:20 am
    Actually, the most important thing about Trump is that he fights. Turnbull doesn’t.”

    Absolutely, Turdbull aka “Mal the dud” wouldn’t know how to fight a teddy bear. I have been thinking about the forthcoming Super Saturday by elections. It the Libs under the Mal the dud win a seat or two it won’t be because of anything that the dud has done because he is quite incapable of doing anything. It will only be because of Shitten’s self inflicted mistakes. Shitten has made quite a few self inflicted mistakes over the last few months, beginning with his arrogant assurance that his “side” were all kosher in respect of dual citizenship. That has come undone is a spectacular fashion. Then there was the tax fiasco. I believe that Bill Shitten would have to be one of the easiest opposition leaders in Australian history to go after however it is a measure of the Dud that he has been unable to do anything. Why? Coz Mal the Dud doesn’t want to do any hardwork. He is both lazy and narcissistic…..a fatal combination.

  40. scottmuz

    Agree dover_beach. I vowed to never vote for Turnbull after his epic election night tantrum. He doesn’t have the brawler spirit, to punch below the belt. He seems to think politics is played by Queensbury rules.

    Social and economic conservatives need to take their preferences elsewhere to teach the LNP a lesson. I’ve joined the Conservative Party, and intend to preference them 1st and LibDems 2nd, then OneNation 3rd. I’m undecided whether to preference LNP above Labor. Greens must always come last of course.

  41. Dr Fred Lenin

    Cohenite,you are correct ,Trump is a confident man,that’s why he puts the fear of death into the elites ,unlike turnbull and shorten , they may be arrogant but they exude lack of confidence that is why they follow the latest mad fads, { like open borders and climate nonsense . As for open borders ,wonder what would happen if lots of dysfunctional illiterate African and islamofascist thugs moved into their suburb . Just a suggestion find out where the lefties concentrate then fill it with “refugee”welfareist ,you probably could hear the screams on the moon . And

  42. Cynic of Ayr

    The single prominent problem with Turnbulll is that Turnbull only ever wanted to be Prime Minister as a trophy.
    He never went in to do good, to provide good government, to “lead”. All he ever wanted to do was be Prime Minister, full stop.
    Consider, when Australia was in the doldrums for various reasons a few months back, Turnbull’s answer to the question if he was concerned, was that no, he had never had so much fun.
    Turnbull’s greatest fear, and that of the Deputy Prime Minister, Lucy Turnbull, is that he will be rejected.
    He doesn’t want to stay to work. He just wants to stay.
    The measure of the man’s utter unawareness is that he had to invest a million of his own dollars, to stay as Prime Minister, and he has no clue as to why that was necessary.

  43. Trump’s presidency is an intensely moral presidency

    LOL I must have missed that in between all the six-figure payoffs to floozies with whom he was cheating on the (now) First Lady.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    Says moral authority M0nty.

  45. Bruce of Newcastle

    I liked this one today:

    PICTURED: Hillary and Bill’s intimate dinner with Harvey Weinstein weeks after her election loss – showing just how close the Clintons were to the ‘serial rapist’ movie mogul

    – The Clintons were reported to have dined with Harvey Weinstein, wife Georgina Chapman and his lawyer David Boies in December 2016
    – Photos obtained by DailyMail.com capture the group sitting at a table at Rao’s in Harlem chatting over some wine and grub
    – The dinner outing came just five weeks after Trump had been elected president

    It’s a wonder that could feel safe seated between Bill and Harvey.
    On the other hand I can see why she wouldn’t need to worry.
    That ‘content of the character’ thing would be a real turnoff.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    I liked this one today:

    PICTURED: Hillary and Bill’s intimate dinner with Harvey Weinstein weeks after her election loss – showing just how close the Clintons were to the ‘serial r*pist’ movie mogul

    – The Clintons were reported to have dined with Harvey Weinstein, wife Georgina Chapman and his lawyer David Boies in December 2016
    – Photos obtained by DailyMail.com capture the group sitting at a table at Rao’s in Harlem chatting over some wine and grub
    – The dinner outing came just five weeks after Trump had been elected president

    It’s a wonder that she could feel safe seated between Bill and Harvey.
    On the other hand I can see why she wouldn’t need to worry.
    That ‘content of the character’ thing would be a real turnoff.

  47. Habib

    Least worst outcome in the next federal parliament is a hung lower house, hopefully with labor-greens getting the numbers through outrageous slings and bribes and thus the treacherous, misrepresenting liberals and no longer nationals rightly whacked around the kidneys and bereft of funds. This matched with an openly hostile senate, with the balance held by rabid economic conservatives, so fuck-all happens for three years.

  48. Mother Lode:

    Similarly I expect when he stands in front of a mirror he sees a lantern-jawed colossus, with broad shoulders, piercing eyes, a prominent bulge in the front of his britches, and whose very feet being on the ground hold the earth in its place.

    *snicker*
    I’ll use that…

  49. Boambee John

    Reactionary lackey at 1136

    LOL I must have missed that in between all the six-figure payoffs to floozies with whom Bill was cheating on the (then) First Lady.

    Fixed that for you m0nty!

  50. Entropy

    the Walsh Keating Hawke governments

    The reality behind the facade is rarely recognised. Very good.

  51. cohenite

    Fuck off troll; what you would know about morality would fit up shorten’s arse.

  52. jupes

    You can’t be serious. Here is why you like Trump:

    He gets it on open borders, public spending, climate change, the Middle East, China, our Nato allies, Brexit and just about everything else.

    Where is Turnbull on that lot? Every single day Turnbull demonstrates how he doesn’t “get it”. Today his answer to child rape in Tennant Creek is to build the perpetrators more houses.

    Give yourself an uppercut Steve. You deserve it.

  53. Egor

    Dealing with Iran Don’s way: latest Tweet.
    Go you good thing.

    “To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
    1:24 PM – Jul 23, 2018”

  54. Craig Mc

    We are in a situation where both parties could only be improved by swapping leaders.

    Shorten doesn’t believe any of the shit he tells his party.
    Likewise for Turnbull.

  55. Rabid Rabbi

    Surely Putin is the answer? (And a question: why do so many people on this thread seem to quote communists approvingly? You, for example, MarkM)

  56. Ironing Mike

    “Uncle Bonge”. Love it. Nearly as funny as “Father Bonge”!

  57. John Constantine

    New seasons top sucker lambs hit 10 bucks a kilo dressed weight in Bendigo market today.

    Before turnbull rewilded the murray darling basin, even in dry years there was some irrigation water to produce the high quality fresh sucker lambs like these in hyper demand today. The turnbull ten buck a kilo lamb is his legacy.

    Using unwavering compliance to a signed transnational convention on waterfowl, turnbulls water act grasped central planning control for the east coast’s foodbowl and grasped it for the vegans of Canberra.

    Dumping the water of the basin out to sea unused is now our Strength.

    We now see turnbull spending billions of borrowed money to grasp central planning control of the Snowy River for Canberra. Maybe a battery, maybe not, but central planning from Canberra makes it possible now for the decision to be made to breach the dams and save the snowy by rewilding it.

    Comrades.

  58. Michael James

    To put it another way, I’m right because I say I am.

  59. BorisG

    I would place the LNP Government clearly to the left of Hawke-Keating Government.

    But that is not the choice at the next election

  60. NB

    Struth says: ‘In less than two years of Donald Trump’s presidency the worst thing has happened to the left.’
    True.
    It is arguable, however, that the Obama years were even worse for the left. During that period Democrats lost some 900 seats in state legislatures out of some 7400. If Republicans trump the mid term elections this time around it is hard to imagine the impact on the stability of the Democrats, both in terms of the shrill madness we are already witnessing, and in terms of the party itself.

  61. Iampeter

    In less than two years of Donald Trump’s presidency the worst thing has happened to the left.

    But the Trump Presidency IS a left wing presidency.
    You can’t say after passing trillion dollar spending bills, enacting old-school, leftist tariffs, attempting to block mergers, etc, that you are fighting the left or anything like that. This is what leftist administrations do after all.

    The fact that the left don’t even need to be in office or have control of ANY branch of government and still have their agenda implemented is not “the worst thing”.

    Not being able to see how totally the left is winning by having a Trump presidency is serious blindness to what’s actually happening in the world today.

  62. cohenite

    But the Trump Presidency IS a left wing presidency.

    FMD, what does that make turdball.

  63. Iampeter

    FMD, what does that make turdball.

    I agree Turnbul is also a leftist.

    Basically as Tel said earlier in this thread, all there is are the competent and incompetent left.

    Trump is in the “incompetent left” bucket along with Turnbull.

  64. Tel

    Trump cannot be classified as left or right, or anything. He is the ultimate individualist, doing the thing he wants to do just because he can do it.

    Maybe some of it will turn out for the best, he is breaking apart the Washington political machine and exposing corruption and that’s OK with me. Trump has turned political correctness back on itself and allowed some open discussion of questions like drug gangs and border controls that were getting covered up with the shut-up words like “Waa Waa Waaaacist! Waaaaacist!” Fauxphobia.

    We will recognize the end of political correctness when comedians are funny once more.

    In my estimation the US economy would have already hit recession if Hillary had won, so Trump boosted much needed economic confidence. How long the recession can be delayed is anyone’s guess, there’s rottenness that needs clearing out of the system, like Tesla for example is staggering on starving without subsidies… it’s the next Solyndra just a question of when it falls over. People see that as a bad thing and for the displaced workers it is a bad thing, but in the big picture resources get redeployed to more useful activities. So Trump is helping capitalism along, even if not everything is planned that way.

    Best possible occupant of the White House would be a giant meteor, and I think a lot of Americans would have voted for that if it was an option… but Trump is a slightly smaller meteor we got as a second prize.

  65. mh

    Iampeter, you are in the ‘incompetent open borders’ bucket along with Sarah Hanson-Young.

  66. Iampeter

    Trump cannot be classified as left or right, or anything. He is the ultimate individualist, doing the thing he wants to do just because he can do it.

    If you can’t classify someone as left or right then you can’t classify someone as individualist or collectivist either. The reality is that everyone can be classified and because todays culture is overwhelmingly collectivist, most people are collectivist by default.
    That’s what makes people like Trump, Turnbul, Abbott, Howard and conservatives in general,the “incompetent left”. They are just collectivists by default and in the absence of any individualist ideas just end up implementing leftist policies as we see from spending, regulation, etc.
    People like Bernie for example are competent leftists because they know they are collectivists and what they are doing in politics.
    Also if you hired someone to do a job, like fix your car and they end up not knowing anything about it and just “doing the thing he wants to do just because he can do it” instead, you’d call them “incompetent” not “ultimate individualist”. Trump is not fit for office. But having said that, neither are most elected officials today so I’m not singling him out.

  67. Iampeter

    Trump has turned political correctness back on itself and allowed some open discussion of questions like drug gangs and border controls that were getting covered up with the shut-up words like “Waa Waa Waaaacist! Waaaaacist!” Fauxphobia.

    Trumps positions on drug gangs and immigration are as safe and traditional as those calling everyone waaaacists (although many actually are coming out of the wood works right now because they view Trump as “their” president).
    If you wanted to turn political correctness on its head then you’d be saying things like what I say and advance the individualist position on the issues. That position is that neither drugs nor immigration are rights violations and should not be illegal.
    Try pushing this and watch heads explode.
    Advocating an individualist and rights protecting government is the only true politically incorrect position today and Trump is nowhere near doing this. No one’s doing this. We have a very collectivist culture.

    Bottom line is: if you hate Turnbul because he is a leftist than logical consistency requires you to hate Trump, Abbott, Howard et al too. Possibly even more so, given how little Turnbul has actually done to advance rights violating, collectivist government compared to his predecessors and contemporaries.

  68. mh

    Iampeter, you can switch on the ABC at any time and listen to open border activists pushing your agenda, so what are you so angry about?

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