Open Forum: July 28, 2018

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  1. struth

    Dream on Dot.
    That’s not going to happen, so the question remains.
    I’m being told they are a benefit.
    They are never a benefit on welfare (being brought into a welfare, socialist state) to the whole nation.
    They aren’t now and never have been a benefit to the nation as a whole, while we are what we most certainly are.
    A socialist welfare state.

    Please , someone tell me how a million migrants will help Venezuela?
    It really is that simple.

  2. zyconoclast

    Mining giant BHP has called on Labor to back the government’s National Energy Guarantee amid industry fears that Bill Shorten’s success in the weekend’s federal by-elections could scupper the energy reform and lead to deepening uncertainty.

    BHP and the peak body for Australian heavy industry, however, have backed the NEG, stating that it will act as a framework for investment and provides certainty for future energy policy, and called on Labor to support change.

    BHP’s Australian chief Mike Henry said energy reform should focus on the broader goal of bringing about change and Labor should support the thrust of the policy rather than blocking it on details.

    “We’re urging all parties to back the NEG, it’s in the national interest,” Mr Henry told Fairfax Media.

    “I’ve seen around the world that energy policy is notoriously challenging to get through, but it feels like we’re on the cusp of getting this change, and we shouldn’t lose that. We see it as important that we now have reform in our grasp.”

    Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox said there was no alternative to the NEG on the table and called on Labor at the federal and state levels to support the policy.

  3. .

    You earnt it, you keep it, old buddy.

    What a terrible waste…of money.

    These shark tanks are a great way to end contract settlements with international spies gone wrong.

    Can’t find the overacted bit that is meant to be serious: “My best friend was just eaten by a shark!”

  4. struth

    AJ, as he turns toward his butler and accepts some caviar on French toast:

    The left is ENVY, laziness and an unearned sense of entitlement.
    Here we see another example.

  5. Neil

    Jan 11, 2018 – Sydney Trains CEO Howard Collins earned $695,000 in 2016-17

    There is a case to be made that nobody who works in the Public Service or semi-govt bodies should earn more than the PM which is approx. $500K/year plus 15.4% Super. In private enterprise I do not care what they pay them

  6. Rae

    Hear the amazing story of the Australian abalone diver, Eric, who found himself inside a great white shark, being eaten alive.

    Lucky to escape alive. Nice scars. But doesn’t beat this story.

  7. .

    She knew she was a goner as soon as she heard the Bach elevator music.

    LOL.

  8. C.L.

    Rae is saying that because Alan Jones can afford caviar, the elderly must freeze in winter.

  9. struth

    AJ, as he turns toward his butler and accepts some caviar on French toast:

    They are also now well into the final power grab.
    There would, in the past, be a dishonest comment about poor pensioners and how the pension should be raised (or some other bullshit spewed)to accompany their true feelings.
    Now that has been dropped, it’s just pure envious hatred spewed.

  10. stackja

    Union bosses and caviar?

  11. struth

    Rae is saying that because Alan Jones can afford caviar, the elderly must freeze in winter.

    Should Alan Jones be paying more taxes than others toward the pension?
    I think on his salary he already would.

  12. .

    Here you go struth.

    Do your own research, come to your own conclusions.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-8446.00043

    Australian Economic History Review

    Volume39, Issue2

    July 1999

    Pages 133-142

    Do Migrants Rob Jobs? New Evidence from Australia
    Gary Gang Tian Jordan Shan
    First published: 18 December 2002 https://doi.org/10.1111/1467-8446.00043 Cited by: 4

    [Abstract]

    This study contributes to the recent debate on immigration and unemployment in Australia by investigating the causal linkage between immigration and unemployment. The question of whether ‘immigrants rob jobs’ is examined by identifying the sources of unemployment through causal linkages between unemployment and other key variables such as immigration. The research finds no Granger causality between immigration and unemployment, but does run from industrial structural change to the high unemployment rate in Australia. This research also finds that both GDP growth and immigration inflow reinforce each other in the course of economic development in Australia.

  13. Snoopy

    Quote

    Dear Snoopy,

    I wrote to you one month ago to inform you that I would be taking legal action against the ‘Anti-Discrimination Thought Police’ in New South Wales for the ongoing and unlawful persecution I have faced for my views on marriage, family and morality.

    It has taken a great deal of effort and preparation.

    But late last week I filed a summons in the New South Wales Supreme Court seeking rulings against the President of the New South Wales Anti-Discrimination Board (ADB), President of the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal (NCAT) and the New South Wales Local Court.

    I am seeking declarations that the President of the ADB, President of NCAT and the Local Court have no power to hear complaints against me and prohibition orders preventing any further action.

    I have been forced to take this action after continued attempts to hear complaints against me, despite a unanimous High Court ruling in April that it was unconstitutional to do so.This shows that the ‘Thought Police’ are prepared to break the law to enforce their radical worldview on all Australians.

    They are menace to society and freedom and should be abolished.

    I must admit that I have been increasingly stressed after four years of unlawful litigation and persecution. However, I am very proud to have taken this latest step.

    This will be a landmark case and it will put the ‘anti-discrimination industry’ on trial for the first time in Australian history. In essence, we are now on the attack and we need to continue.

    Thank you for your support. I could not have reached this point without your generosity, encouragement and prayers.

    I must continue to focus on this case and so I will not be writing for my website in the short term. I find this extremely frustrating but I have no doubt that effort required for this battle will be worth it.

    However, I do leave you with this reminder that insane political-correctness has overtaken our military.

    The Royal Australian Navy is now having its sailors and officers wear pink nail polish to show their support for ‘diversity’:

    I was sacked by this mob for refusing to participate in this rubbish. That sacking is my badge of honour.

    I will keep you informed as legal matters develop.
    Kind regards,

    Bernard Gaynor
    Christus Rex!

    /Quote

  14. Indolent

    The electorate keeps telling Turnbull it wants migration dramatically slowed, so Turnbull turns the immigration dial up to 11. The electorate wants cheap power so Turnbull signs up for a massive new carbon tax.

    Given the success of Trump’s tax cuts one would think the LNP would spruik the economic benefits of cutting tax. But then Trump’s cuts were bold, substantial and immediate.

    You can’t make up how dumb the Liberals are.

    It all becomes clear when you realise the Turnbull’s first loyalty is not to us but to his international masters. He’s not dumb, he’s just following his orders and the globalist agenda. He’s a complete sell out. How else can his behaviour be explained?

  15. .

    Wow.

    Good on you Mr Gaynor.

    This is the sort of legal system fight that liberts. and cons. should get up to.

  16. struth

    I don’t need to, dot.
    You’re the dude here who needs to stick your head up the theory bear’s arse to come to any conclusion.
    I can easily see for myself.
    So instead of quoting the musings of other academic mouth breathers, tell me why Immigration into Venezuela or this socialist welfare shithole is beneficial, in a few short sentences.
    Use your own mind and convictions, without quoting others, because here’s a tip.
    Just because it’s written doesn’t make it right, the law, and never to be questioned.
    Tell me why immigration into a socialist welfare state that can’t even afford to keep it’s elderly from dying from the cold is going to help.
    No quoting other fucktards.
    Off your own head.

  17. stackja

    Bernard Gaynor fights while others text.

  18. struth

    And looking now the theory bear is definitely socialist.

  19. .

    So struth you ask for proof and then say it will be rubbish. If you want to be insincere, have the dignity to be upfront about it.

  20. .

    stackja
    #2776052, posted on July 30, 2018 at 11:43 am
    Bernard Gaynor fights while others text.

    Do not be rude or presumptuous, please.

  21. Snoopy

    Look up Tian and Shan 1998, AEHR.

    Please do. They are discussing well qualified immigrants. People just like them. Not mass immigration.

  22. .

    Can we not have mass immigration of qualified immigrants?

    Maybe I’m being too literal. Mass immigration means a lot, but for a long time, I haven’t cued into it being a term for sloppy seconds.

    In a way, I’m contradicting myself as I think immigration would fall a fair bit if we cut off the spigot.

    Like I said, no welfare and apply the character test.

  23. struth

    So struth you ask for proof and then say it will be rubbish. If you want to be insincere, have the dignity to be upfront about it.

    You haven’t supplied any proof .
    Just the double talk and lies and smoke screens of socialist academics.

    I am sure a man of your great intellect can tell me how half a million per year extra being put on welfare and taking up socialist government services is a boon for the economy.

    In your own words, please.

  24. testpattern

    Bishop in E.Timor

    Told you. Well done TP you scooped the aus media again. Now why do you think she left it to the final minute to tell the aus media? Avoid awkward questions? avoid any questions at all?

    https://foreignminister.gov.au/releases/Pages/default.aspx

  25. .

    I am sure a man of your great intellect can tell me how half a million per year extra being put on welfare and taking up socialist government services is a boon for the economy.

    Dear sir,

    Thank you for your kind words. However, you have never grasped the libertarian position: no welfare and open immigration at the same time.

    This has been consistently said since at least the 1970s.

    I assume you will remember it from now on.

  26. stackja

    What happened to Frank Walker?

  27. .

    Frank is investigating how to prevent corrupt cops slipping on his tiles vis a vis milkshakes to avoid royal commissions and earn mortgage buster payouts.

    He’s a true patriot and loves capitalism, ethical governance and cementitious products.

  28. stackja

    Woman indecently assaulted on Sydney train
    Sam McBeath, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    A WOMAN was indecently assaulted by a man on a train in the south west of Sydney in the early hours of Saturday morning.

    The 21-year-old woman boarded a train from Lakemba Railway Station about 5am on Saturday headed towards Central Station.

    NSW Police have now released CCTV images of a man they believe may be able to assist with inquiries.

    The man is described as being of Asian appearance, slim build, aged in his mid-30s and was last seen wearing a black beanie, dark-coloured long pants and a black jacket,

  29. Boambee John

    .
    #2776023, posted on July 30, 2018 at 11:17 am
    struth

    Look up Tian and Shan 1998, AEHR.

    Getting rid of the costs is easy, apply the character test and stop doling out welfare to non-citizens and make citizenship hard to get.

    Care to guess what the proposed International Compact on Migration will say on the bolded matters?

  30. struth

    Dot, you are trying to put what is not happening into the argument.
    THERE IS WELFARE.

    I started this by asking all, not just yyou, for some figures that prove the whole nation is economically better off importing half a million welfare recipients basically (although not exactly in those words)
    And you jump in talking shit quoting leftists.

    Can anyone else give me the figures proving these people are making our economy boom nationally?
    The key word here is nationally.
    Please withdraw from this dot.
    You are not taken seriously here on the immigration issue.

  31. stackja

    Open doors and windows for all.

  32. Ragu

    Medibank data shows a 20 per cent surge in claims for mouthguards for teenage girls since 2015 as they flock to enjoy sports once seen as male domains.

    Another day, another hand-out.

    Years ago, when mouthguards became a sensible idea, your local club would find a private practice that could produce those things. And old mate dentist would rub his hands in glee as hundreds lined up to pay for them.

    The notice board said, the more we get the cheaper they will be for everyone.

    Fairly simple economics, I would have thought.

  33. Snoopy

    Tian and Shan

    The implication of this founding between immigration, GDP growth and unemployment is that the host region such as Australia may adopt a policy combing (sic) attracting more skilled and high savers with capital to promote economic growth, and at the same time, mobilising domestic resources and promoting further GDP growth by a continued commitment to an economic reform policy) (sic) to attract new inflow of skilled immigration.

  34. Woolfe

    I’m sure the feminism #metoo brigade will be marching on Lakemba to protest the assault.

  35. .

    Care to guess what the proposed International Compact on Migration will say on the bolded matters?

    We should not sign that, we should pull out of the UN and the UN should be defunded etc per Bolton.

  36. stackja

    Manus Island inquest: ‘Series of errors’ led to asylum seeker’s death
    The Courier-Mail
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    AUTHORITIES could have prevented the death of an Iranian asylum seeker who developed an infection while being held at an Australian-run detention centre in Papua New Guinea, a Queensland coroner has found.

  37. Dr Faustus

    Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox said there was no alternative to the NEG on the table and called on Labor at the federal and state levels to support the policy.

    Well, duh.
    The fact that the only energy policy game in town is a mad-woman’s handbag doesn’t actually mean it’s a Good Thing.

    Not that it matters what Innes Willox thinks.

    In the present febrile political climate, Labor would oppose the cure for baby cancer if it was a Coalition initiative backed by a running dog of Big Business. The likelihood is that the NEG will be kicked into the long grass by the ALP – thus, accidentally, doing Australia a favour.

  38. H B Bear

    Another day, another hand-out.

    Relax, Medibank is a private health insurer.

  39. Snoopy

    What are the odds that two immigrants would conduct a study on the benefits of immigration and find there weren’t any?

  40. stackja

    9news.com.au

    A young knife-wielding woman shot dead by NSW police was probably suffering a psychotic episode due to undiagnosed schizophrenia, a coroner has found.

    “It is probable Courtney (Topic) was not able to understand that police were telling her to put down her large knife,” said Deputy State Coroner Liz Ryan on Monday.

    She was delivering her findings at the inquest into the February 2015 death of the 22-year-old near a busy intersection and a fast-food outlet at Hoxton Park in Sydney’s west.

    Ms Ryan made 10 recommendations to the NSW Commissioner of Police, mainly dealing with the training of police officers dealing with people possibly suffering a mental health crisis.

    “If changes are not made, there will be more deaths like Courtney’s,” the coroner said.

    “The court heard that in Australia, of the persons shot by police between 1989 and 2011, nearly 42 per cent were suffering from a mental illness.”

    Although the woman’s death should not have happened, Ms Ryan said it would be wrong to understate the seriousness of this situation.

  41. .

    I started this by asking all, not just yyou, for some figures that prove the whole nation is economically better off importing half a million welfare recipient

    Well, no shit we’re not better off for this.

    I’m glad we agree. No doubt, you’re also happy I’m glad.

  42. Rae

    Rae is saying that because Alan Jones can afford caviar, the elderly must freeze in winter.

    Lol. No.

  43. .

    Snoopy
    #2776074, posted on July 30, 2018 at 12:07 pm
    What are the odds that two immigrants would conduct a study on the benefits of immigration and find there weren’t any?

    That’s not what actually happened.

    Get to the part where they mention specialisation growing faster than population growth.

    How else is immigration and GDP growth showing two-way casuality?

  44. Boambee John

    Dot

    Dear sir,

    Thank you for your kind words. However, you have never grasped the libertarian position: no welfare and open immigration at the same time.

    This has been consistently said since at least the 1970s.

    I assume you will remember it from now on.

    When the LDP has the majority of seats in the Reps, and enough senators to out vote the combined UNiParty in the Senate, then you will be able to implement this policy.

    Until then, what do you propose?

  45. Fisky

    We already have a real-world model of open borders – the Schengen agreement in Europe since 1995 – and the results are in. GDP per capita has continued to trend downward despite vastly increased migration flows across Europe.

    It’s strange how all the economic evidence keeps refuting “libertarian” theory!

  46. Snoopy

    The AIG should be stripped of its Gift Deductible Recipient status. It’s virulently anti-Australian policy positions demand no less.

  47. Entropy

    This research also finds that both GDP growth and immigration inflow reinforce each other in the course of economic development in Australia.

    People that write that kind of thing almost never think through why that may be so. GDP is a wonderfully evil measure, you can boost the GDP figure simply by increasing government expenditure. Heck you don’t even need to tax people to do it! Just borrow like there is no tomorrow. Which no doubt for the narcissists in parliament is reflective of their world view. Apres moi, le deluge. They don’t give a shit about the future generations that have to pay it back.
    So of course there is a link between immigration and GDP. All those wonderful special immigration programs with an army of public servants, housing assistance, English language schools, as well as unemployment benefits. And then the squeeze of housing upping costs. A virtuous circle for the idiots focussed on the GDP numbers.

    Meanwhile, housing gets more expensive, energy gets more expensive, pensioners shiver though winter, food gets more expensive, shops in the burbs are empty, shops in the malls are empty, industry is moving offshore, the only people whose wages are growing are executives in Big Business, Big Union and Big Government.

    But hey! GDP is great!

  48. Leigh Lowe

    When the LDP has the majority of seats in the Reps, and enough senators to out vote the combined UNiParty in the Senate, and have tipped out every activist judge in the country and disbanded every administrative tribunal and HRC (state and federal), then you will be able to implement this policy.

    FIFY.

  49. C.L.

    Good luck to Bernard Gaynor. And thank you, sir.
    I am fearful, though. Our High Court is not a true superior constitutional court.
    It’s a Vibe Court.

  50. .

    Until then, what do you propose?

    “The elites are so terribly corrupt and the plebians are so terribly deluded that the best thing to do is live outside the city in a commune and enjoy the good life”

  51. Hydra

    There is a case to be made that nobody who works in the Public Service or semi-govt bodies should earn more than the PM which is approx. $500K/year plus 15.4% Super. In private enterprise I do not care what they pay them

    Nobody in the public service should earn more than 150% of weekly median metropolitan wages.

  52. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Can we not have mass immigration of qualified immigrants?

    The only qualification is cultural compatibility.

    Immigration needs to be zero for 2 or 3 decades and then a Japanese model adopted.

  53. rickw

    There is nothing that The Left cannot destroy.

    Yesterday we took a Japanese exchange student to the Fairfield Boat House and The Melbourne Zoo. The privately run Boathouse was as charming as ever, the food and service was good. The Melbourne Zoo was highly disappointing, particularly for anyone who has visited it around 10 years ago.

    By their own admission, it would seem that the Zoo’s malaise is centred on it doing everything but running a Zoo. It is wall to wall environmental activism, shoe horned into every available space. They even managed to work in The Lefts obsession with defacation, through displays on recyclable toilet paper and animal poo.

    Meanwhile the previously excellent monkey displays are now worn out, patches in the deck everywhere with missing information on the animals. The big cat exhibition has been completely wrecked, no more overhead walkway, just an assortment of shipping container pieces with as much focus on domestic moggies as the big cats themselves. Also quite a few empty displays.

    5/10. Although it does have a great Soviet era feel of delapidation and desperation which will appeal to many inhabitants of Melbournistan.

  54. C.L.

    Note well that, as far as I can tell, no Liberal government or Liberal has come to Gaynor’s aid.

  55. John Constantine

    Commonwealth environmental water holder throws a spokeswoman out to explain that statuary requirements are to continue dumping irrigation water out to sea unused, even as it flows through a drought stricken landscape.

    Unwaveringly.

    The State has borrowed billions to buy irrigation water to remove it from agricultural use.

    The State now announces it will borrow money to pay freight subsidies to truck fodder north to areas out of feed.

    State debt fuelled state water flows south, State debt fuelled fodder flows north, This is the Strength of the State.

    Comrades.

  56. John Constantine

    Milo Minderbinder.

    When are their united nations looting cartels going to cut out the middleman and install Milo Minderbinder as satrap of Australia?.

  57. C.L.

    The only qualification is cultural compatibility.

    Exactly.
    The Liberals are trying to blur the issue with the “skilled migrant” distraction squirrel.
    I’d rather 50,000 Polish labourers than 50,000 Middle Eastern medicos.

  58. jupes

    This will be a landmark case and it will put the ‘anti-discrimination industry’ on trial for the first time in Australian history. In essence, we are now on the attack and we need to continue.

    Good on you Bernard. Let’s just hope you smash the parasitic arseholes.

  59. .

    It’s strange how all the economic evidence keeps refuting “libertarian” theory!

    The EUSSR gets held up as “libertarian”? Boy do you know how to use a shovel. What a crock of shit.

    People that write that kind of thing almost never think through why that may be so. GDP is a wonderfully evil measure, you can boost the GDP figure simply by increasing government expenditure.

    …and the people who bring up this criticism are…liberatarian…thank the Austrian school.

    If you really want to you can have a look at GDR (gross domestic revenue) along with GDP, but when Tian and Shan wrote that paper, Howard was actually cutting Federal APS jobs; they were significantly lower than now and the Federal debt was starting to be paid off (much to Howard and Costello’s credit).

    Federal APS staff levels, per APH staff, 26 November 2010, Joanne Simon-Davies, Statistics and Mapping Section

    1996 – 143,193

    1998 – 113,835

  60. Baldrick

    Note well that, as far as I can tell, no Liberal government or Liberal has come to Gaynor’s aid.

    They gave up supporting conservative causes when they declined to get rid of 18c and then later signed the Paris Climate quango.

  61. Dr Faustus

    On balance, the Super Saturday result is probably a good thing for Australia.

    While the result is by no means a stunning success for Labor, it ensures that the much-loathed Shorten will go into the election as alternative PM, with fully-inflated hubris.

    Despite the swing in Longman, NewsPoll continues to show that the Coalition is recovering from its slump into ’55:45 lose government and 25 seats territory’. As of the weekend, 49:51 2PP has the Government and Opposition within the margin of error – with the Coalition 39:36 ahead on the Primary vote.

    Of course, the Turnbull Slug Energy Team has the capacity to lose the next election comfortably.

    However the takeaway from all five by-election seats shows that something like 35%+ of the electorate is shitted to tears by both major parties. There is at least reasonable hope that many of the punters who vote for Labor in the House of Reps will strategically vote for a non-Labor Senate position because of Shorten’s shitty persona – and avoid giving a Shorten/DiNatale Government free reign to destroy Australia in its first term.

  62. .

    There is a case to be made that nobody who works in the Public Service or semi-govt bodies should earn more than the PM which is approx. $500K/year plus 15.4% Super. In private enterprise I do not care what they pay them

    I would like to go back to the 1960s: professors paid as much as judges and schoolteachers and typists paid fuck all. 🙂

    The public sector should not really be attractive. The problem is it is so large it crowds out real jobs.

  63. .

    As loyal as I am to Our Dave, I am not chipping in. A sensible judge will throw his case out and make Hyphen^2 pay costs.

    Does Bernard Gaynor have a Go Fund Me?

  64. John Constantine

    “The Syndicate[edit]

    Minderbinder’s enterprise becomes known as “M&M Enterprises”, with the two M’s standing for his initials and the “&” added to dispel any idea that the enterprise is a one-man operation. Minderbinder travels across the world, especially around the Mediterranean Sea, trying to buy and sell goods at a profit, primarily through black market channels. Everyone has a “share”, a fact which Minderbinder uses to defend his actions, stating that what is good for the company is good for all. For example, he secretly replaces the CO2 cartridges in the emergency life vests with printed notes to the effect that what is good for M&M is good for the country.

    Eventually, Minderbinder begins contracting missions for the Germans, fighting on both sides in the battle at Orvieto, and bombing his own squadron at Pianosa. At one point Minderbinder orders his fleet of aircraft to attack the American base where he lives, killing many American officers and enlisted men”

    We must be about ready to accept their M&T coalition team, their election winning machine, announcing that borrowing money to buy irrigation water to send south, then borrowing money to send fodder north to supply the fodder drought created by the State buying the irrigation water all makes sense, as everybody has a share in this enterprise.

    Comrade Shareholder Maaaaates.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    The only qualification is cultural compatibility.

    Immigration needs to be zero for 2 or 3 decades and then a Japanese model adopted.

    Sounds like a good plan, but I doubt that our pinkie Navy has the capability to attack Hawaii.

  66. The only qualification is cultural compatibility.

    Indeed. I’d rather take someone with no skills who understands the precepts of Western civilisation and would defend them to the death if called upon. What good is a qualified brick layer going to do when your country is overrun with people who want to destroy it?

    That people are allowed to get residency to a country having never stepped foot in the place is a bloody travesty. No-one should be granted residency until they have lived here for at least 3 years. Citizenship comes after 10 and you have to have been a net taxpayer (family members are counted in this) with no criminal record. That should be the minimum demand of our immigration laws.

  67. John Constantine

    The State announces that the council rates wealth tax on farmland doesn’t work well in a drought, so the state will borrow money to pay a percentage of the state imposed wealth tax if the farmer qualifies.

    As The Syndicate says, everybody has a share in this activity.

    Comrade Shareholder Maaaaates.

  68. John Constantine

    Their quisling syndicate running Australia are contracting missions for their united nations looting cartels, to the extent of even contracting to blow up our power stations.

    But everybody has a share in this enterprise.

    Comrades

  69. Baldrick

    TheirABC finds a country shoppers death they can report …

    ABC Brisbane ✔ @abcbrisbane
    Asylum seeker Hamid Khazaei’s death from leg infection was preventable, Queensland coroner finds

    … but not so much the 1,200 that drowned in the Timor Sea under the Labor/Greenfilth Coalition.

  70. .

    I’ve been saying for a long time that FaceBook is a nigerian email scam with a dowdy web interface legitimised by how “cool” it was in 2005.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/world-markets/facebooks-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-gets-sued-in-new-blow-after-shares-plummet/news-story/01f680387255432a1b3ba064beab03b8

    The complaint filed by shareholder James Kacouris in Manhattan federal court accused Facebook, Zuckerberg and Chief Financial Officer David Wehner of making misleading statements about or failing to disclose slowing revenue growth, falling operating margins, and declines in active users.

    Kacouris said the marketplace was “shocked” when “the truth” began to emerge on Wednesday from the Menlo Park, California-based company.

    He said the 19 per cent plunge in Facebook shares the next day stemmed from federal securities law violations by the defendants.

    How is it not massive, massive fraud?

    Because stalking hot women you did not ask out in high school is way cooler than energy derivatives, amirite?

    The advertising programme FaceBook operates is absolutely disgraceful and below the morality and business sense of investing in a feminist backed cryptocurrency with no registered corporate address.

    Check out Veritasium’s video on Facebook being a scam. There is the example of a small rag trades mob chucking in 200k and getting worse interactivity with followers and repeat customers.

  71. Snoopy

    Has the ABC shown any recent concern over PNG citizens dying from preventable causes? I guess some PNG residents are more important than others.

  72. struth

    By god you confuse yourself reading biased political bullshit dressed up as studies , dot.
    The curse of libertarianism seems to be the faith it has in theory over reality.
    People that write that kind of thing almost never think through why that may be so. GDP is a wonderfully evil measure, you can boost the GDP figure simply by increasing government expenditure. Heck you don’t even need to tax people to do it! Just borrow like there is no tomorrow. Which no doubt for the narcissists in parliament is reflective of their world view. Apres moi, le deluge. They don’t give a shit about the future generations that have to pay it back.
    So of course there is a link between immigration and GDP. All those wonderful special immigration programs with an army of public servants, housing assistance, English language schools, as well as unemployment benefits. And then the squeeze of housing upping costs. A virtuous circle for the idiots focussed on the GDP numbers.

    Meanwhile, housing gets more expensive, energy gets more expensive, pensioners shiver though winter, food gets more expensive, shops in the burbs are empty, shops in the malls are empty, industry is moving offshore, the only people whose wages are growing are executives in Big Business, Big Union and Big Government.

    But hey! GDP is great!

    Exactly.

    GDP includes government expenditure so it is totally the measurement of the socialist.

  73. struth

    Bloke quote fail.
    Ill try again, Entropy apologies.

    People that write that kind of thing almost never think through why that may be so. GDP is a wonderfully evil measure, you can boost the GDP figure simply by increasing government expenditure. Heck you don’t even need to tax people to do it! Just borrow like there is no tomorrow. Which no doubt for the narcissists in parliament is reflective of their world view. Apres moi, le deluge. They don’t give a shit about the future generations that have to pay it back.
    So of course there is a link between immigration and GDP. All those wonderful special immigration programs with an army of public servants, housing assistance, English language schools, as well as unemployment benefits. And then the squeeze of housing upping costs. A virtuous circle for the idiots focussed on the GDP numbers.

    Meanwhile, housing gets more expensive, energy gets more expensive, pensioners shiver though winter, food gets more expensive, shops in the burbs are empty, shops in the malls are empty, industry is moving offshore, the only people whose wages are growing are executives in Big Business, Big Union and Big Government.

    But hey! GDP is great!

    Exactly.
    GDP.. the socialist’s yardstick.

  74. Snoopy

    Or Manus Island residents even.

  75. Boambee John

    .
    #2776070, posted on July 30, 2018 at 12:04 pm
    Care to guess what the proposed International Compact on Migration will say on the bolded matters?

    We should not sign that, we should pull out of the UN and the UN should be defunded etc per Bolton.

    I agree entirley.

    Unfortunately the LDP does not have super majorities in both houses of Parliament, so we are stuck with reality.

    What next?

  76. Boambee John

    .
    #2776086, posted on July 30, 2018 at 12:14 pm
    Until then, what do you propose?

    “The elites are so terribly corrupt and the plebians are so terribly deluded that the best thing to do is live outside the city in a commune and enjoy the good life”

    Well that is a really positive solution!

  77. Anne

    I thought this guy was a bit of a disinfo type but I’m happy to see anyone calling out HAARP.

    @Jordan_Sather_
    Understand that Calif is getting SO prone to fires primarily because of GEOENGINEERING.

    The atmospheric spraying both dry the region (stifles rainfall), and the aluminum that falls on everything makes it MORE flammable.

    Awareness needs to happen over this. Thoughts & prayers

  78. .

    struth

    If you ignore responses from people you are ostensibly asking questions of, you may as well yell at the urinal, stand too close and enjoy your many happy returns.

    I bet you did not even look up what gross domestic revenue was.

    Here is a good article:

    http://www.richardcbjohnsson.com/wp-content/uploads/why_the_gdp_shows_no_bust_but_gdr_does.pdf

    Why the GDP Shows No Bust, But GDR Does
    [first published as working paper at The Ludwig von Mises Institute and The Ratio Institute, Dec 12, 2002]

  79. .

    Understand that Calif is getting SO prone to fires primarily because of GEOENGINEERING.

    Geoengineering = not allowing smaller forest/brush fires, not allowing any forestry and not allowing any clearing, thinning or burning off.

    Annie, you’re not answering any of my questions. I have a feeling I may have offended you.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    TheirABC finds a country shoppers death they can report …

    ABC Brisbane @abcbrisbane
    Asylum seeker Hamid Khazaei’s death from leg infection was preventable, Queensland coroner finds

    What actual jurisdiction does a Brisbane coroner have over the death of a foreigner on foreign soil.

  81. John Constantine

    Lamb prices hit the wall as supply of underdone lambs under 18 kilos dressed weight hit the market.

    Supermarket prices went up quick, lets see how fast they go back down again.

  82. Old School Conservative

    However the takeaway from all five by-election seats shows that something like 35%+ of the electorate is shitted to tears by both major parties

    What chance then of the Australian Conservatives running a candidate in every HoR electorate?
    Currently they are only focussed on the Senate but what a shock it would be for the Uniparty to be faced with a viable conservative opposition.
    (Tell him he’s dreaming)

  83. .

    I humbly ask any wealthy benefactors out there to give generously to the small right-wing parties in Australia.

    Nothing would be better than a well funded and ran campaign by all of them in a Federal double dissolution election, contesting all 150 HOR seats and 76 Senate seats with well promoted, adequately advertised and properly vetted, articulate and well-informed candidates, all with fully costed policy platforms and entire policy sets that are concise and have a strong, coherent position.

    We won’t agree on everything, but the discussion afterwards will be fun and it is better than the alternative.

    The day that the uniparty has less than one-third of the seats in both Houses will be fantastic. It will be like the Whigs finally beating the Tories in England hundreds of years ago. Hopefully, we can also repeal 4/5ths of the laws on the books we have now.

  84. Boambee John

    Dot

    I support much of what you say on immigration, particularly now that you have recognised that (truly) skilled immigration will bring in much lower numbers, and cannot be “mass” immigration. I also support not signing the proposed Migration Compact and withdrawing from the UN (I suspect that struth would also agree on those two points).

    However, until we can change the composition of our Quisling Parliament, we are stuck with reality. My target at the moment is the Migration Compact. If we sign, we will be flooded with unskilled, illiterate, peasants immediately eligible for welfare and citizenship.

    I suggest that rather than dreaming of a high skilled immigration program with no welfare and delayed citizenship, you focus on preventing the imminent disaster. When the LDP gets those super majotities in the Reps and the Senate will be time enough for your plan.

  85. Boambee John

    PS

    As of today my local (Nationals) member knows that immigration and the proposed Compact will decide my vote. I am a member of AC, and will send an email to Cory on the subject also.

  86. Boambee John

    super majorities!

  87. Zyconoclast

    Sounds like a good plan, but I doubt that our pinkie Navy has the capability to attack Hawaii.

    I bet they could organise a QWERTY cruise to the islands.
    Unlimited body oil for all!

  88. Mark from Melbourne

    The Switch that never happened

    A worthwhile read by Dinesh D’Souza excerpted from his new book.

  89. Snoopy

    What actual jurisdiction does a Brisbane coroner have over the death of a foreigner on foreign soil.

    Death by misadventure is a coronial finding belonging to a quaint past. Every finding now seems to recommend a change to the law. Coroners are full of themselves.

  90. Zyconoclast

    C.L.
    #2776131, posted on July 30, 2018 at 1:20 pm
    Not meant to be, I guess:

    Woman stabbed fiance to death after arguing over their wedding guest list, police say.

    By the look of bride to be, the dead fiancé got off lightly. Lucky man.

  91. Geriatric Mayfly

    What actual jurisdiction does a Brisbane coroner have over the death of a foreigner on foreign soil.

    I presume that if he came even within sniffing distance of our coastline he would automatically be deemed and ‘Australian-Iranian.’

  92. Zyconoclast

    What actual jurisdiction does a Brisbane coroner have over the death of a foreigner on foreign soil.’

    He died in a Brisbane hospital.

  93. C.L.

    Mmm,

    ‘Poster boy’ for Queensland campaign to expunge historic gay convictions not eligible, lawyer says.

    The face of the Queensland Government’s move to expunge convictions related to homosexuality may be unable to clear his name under the new laws.

    Alan Raabe, 64, stood by Premier Annastascia Palaszczuk and Attorney-General Yvette D’Ath in May last year when they made an apology to people convicted of being homosexual.

    But the laws that passed Parliament only allowed for public morality offences and male homosexual offences to be expunged, and do not include the other offences that people were charged with.

    Mr Raabe said he was walking along the beachfront esplanade in Cairns in 1988 when he was targeted by an undercover police officer.

    “It was very late at night,” Mr Raabe said.

    “I was walking along The Esplanade and a very handsome young man walked towards me and gave me what I thought was ‘the eye’.

    “I followed him and we ended up in a very dark corner of the park, totally isolated and surrounded by trees and bushes.

    “I approached him cautiously and then eventually brushed up against him and made a suggestion that we get together.

    “And he said, ‘That’s a pity, because I’m a policeman.'”

    Mr Raabe was arrested and charged with sexual assault and pleaded guilty to the charge in court.

    So he admits he committed sexual assault, for which he was prosecuted.

  94. .

    Where are all of my facebook haters?

    Hate can be a beautiful thing.

    Come on guys, do it for Oceania.

    There is a chance that FaceBook might be revealed as the scammy outfit it really is.

    Rejoice my brethren.

  95. Zyconoclast

    What actual jurisdiction does a Brisbane coroner have over the death of a foreigner on foreign soil.

    He died in a Brisbane hospital.

  96. Makka

    Abbott;

    “What I want to focus on are the things that matter to voters, and voters want their power prices down, that’s why we should pull out of Paris, voters want their lifestyle to be getting better, that’s why we need to scale back immigration, to ease congestion, to take the downward pressure off wages and the upward pressure off housing prices.”

    I see dotty upthread again banging his LDP drum for weaker borders and more immigration because the fantasy of no welfare is just around the corner. And what can be better than communities, streets and public amenities choked with IT savvy foreigners? There’s a reason why libertarians remain fringe dwellers. It’s because they spend far too much time at the bottom of the garden with the pixies.

  97. .

    Come off it C.L. have you seen how a nightclub works?

  98. .

    The fantasy of an immigration moratorium is around the corner too, Makka.

    I bet it goes up after the next election and Tits is PM.

  99. Mother Lode

    So he admits he committed sexual assault, for which he was prosecuted.

    But…but…Love is Love.

    Even after 5 minutes behind the bushes for a quick butt-reaming.

    It is just quick and gooey love.

  100. Snoopy

    .
    #2776148, posted on July 30, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    Come off it C.L. have you seen how a nightclub works?

    Some small talk is customary before going the grope.

  101. Makka

    The fantasy of an immigration moratorium is around the corner too, Makka.

    I bet it goes up after the next election and Tits is PM.

    I have to agree, on both points.

    The LNP can however retain Govt if they adopt Abbott’s messages. They won’t of course because Turdball now owns the Libs and Mal is owned by his UN globalist handlers.

  102. Leigh Lowe

    Sounds like a good plan, but I doubt that our pinkie Navy has the capability to attack Hawaii.

    I bet they could organise a QWERTY cruise to the islands.
    Unlimited body oil for all!

    In the Navy, you sail the seven seas,
    In the Navy, you can catch a bad disease.
    In the Navy. In the Navy.

  103. Woolfe

    Dot I think any benefactors would be better off paying for their own anti UniParty adverts rather than donating money. You then get 100% bang for bucks and can say what some parties wont. Joanne Novas graph of power costs would be a good start.

  104. Rockdoctor

    BHP and the peak body for Australian heavy industry,

    BHP love regulations and have thrived on lobbying for more of it to keep competitors at bay… Have heard they are at it again with employment medicals that go above & beyond the Coal Board Medical (Not good enough apparently) as well as starting to Psych screen contractors as well at Gonyella something that I recently got wind of. There’s not much more they can do with WHS&E as that has been flogged to death.

  105. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    BHP love regulations and have thrived on lobbying for more of it to keep competitors at bay

    Corporatism is the great enemy of our nation.

  106. Armadillo

    Easy 3 – 39 to go.

  107. Armadillo

    Four – Dot has got everyone distracted on the OT. I’m a chance at this.

  108. Armadillo

    Five – Fingers and toes on your baby when it is born. Make sure to count them.

  109. Armadillo

    Six – Higher than five.

  110. Armadillo

    Eight is a lucky number if you are Chinese.

  111. Armadillo

    Nine is an upside 6.

  112. Armadillo

    FFS. I need a new plan. You could have waited. I was going to post this.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8TUWilKb6M

    Hang your head in shame.

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