Super Saturday

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460 Responses to Super Saturday

  1. JC

    What’s his twitter address, Artie? I want to remind the sack of shit how he gave 25 million to the Clintons and it’s a good thing his daughter wasn’t elected because she could turn out like him. Also if he’s been dobbing in Republicans of late.

  2. Oh come on

    If you’re on a plane and one engine fucks up while the other is teetering, what the heck lets turn off the groaning engine

    No it’s really not. The question is, can we fix the teetering engine somehow? No, it’s screwed. It is. Now, do we glide to a low altitude and jump and maybe survive somehow, or stay aboard and face certain death?

  3. H B Bear

    Quite unbecoming from the aristocracy, even if only from the failed state of Mainland Tasmania. What happened to that stiff upper lip and all that old chap?

  4. Infidel Tiger

    We let the plane crash and then we eat the weak survivors until help arrives.

  5. min

    JC I agree with much of your analysis about the average punter,who are more likely to be Barry Battlers these days. Even those with more free time , reasonable finances and probably better educated than average and could be described as somewhat political junkies, well they turn up to a Current Affairs group weekly, do not question , or think about consequences. However not too happy with Josh these days.
    I do not think attitudes will change for general election.
    Bet most voters cannot name politicians with portfolios, have very short memories and do not read much about what is going on in suburb, state etc and repeat opinions as if they are facts and what’s more cannot tell the difference. Nothing will change until they end up really suffering the consequences of their choices.

  6. H B Bear

    Hopefully the Yanks will perp walk him and incarcerate him for 15 years. Perhaps that might get him off the taxpayers fit.

  7. Snoopy

    If you’re on a plane and one engine fucks up while the other is teetering, what the heck lets turn off the groaning engine

    Pray that the teetering engine doesn’t fail. If it does you’ll never get down.

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pretty low bar. James is due nothing for that. He’s a luvvie twat.

    May well be, but poor tortured, hard done by David Hicks was also a luvvie twat. Leigh Sales wrote a book about him, remember.

  9. The only thing wetting my bed tonight is the tears of unrestrained mirth at the thought that there are 53 members of the federal Liberal Party who voted for the Termite, and are absolutely SHITTING themselves over this result and what it means for them at the next election…

    It means they will have to make a few phone calls to ensure they are appointed to enough Boards of the corporations and NGO’s they handed out taxpayers money to. They will lose their seats and end up with more money for far less hours.
    When will we get over the idea that we “punish” them by voting them out? It’s the complete opposite. We always suffer while they always gain.
    When was the last time you saw an ex-pollie stacking shelves at ColesWorth?

  10. JC

    @AlexanderDowner You filthy sack of shit, Downer. You gave the Clinton’s $25 million of our money and sucked dick for MI5/6 thinking u were some James Bond type. Expected ur kid to win? Don’t make laugh. Ur despised. Still living as a parasite off the taxpayer

  11. Baldrick

    TheirABC:
    Labor celebrates by-election wins in Queensland and Tasmania, Centre Alliance holds Mayo against Downer challenge – Image
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    TheirABC:
    Liberals celebrates by-election wins in Queensland, Tasmania and Mayo – Image

  12. Infidel Tiger

    Don’t forget he worked for Huawei too, Jc.

    He is scum and villainy.

  13. The news coming from the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party HQ tomorrow will be their candidates lost due to local issues.

    Turnbull will blame Labor’s “MedalScare” campaign.

  14. Oh come on

    The LP is a plane with one engine dead and the other failing badly. Best to strap your parachute on and take your chances with the open air.

  15. Armadillo

    You’re being a bit soft on Downer, JC. I sense a bromance going on here.

  16. jupes

    @AlexanderDowner You filthy sack of shit, Downer. You gave the Clinton’s $25 million of our money and sucked dick for MI5/6 thinking u were some James Bond type. Expected ur kid to win? Don’t make laugh. Ur despised. Still living as a parasite off the taxpayer

    GOLD!

  17. Some History

    The people have spoken. They want Peanut Head.
    Democracy good and hard.

    Tits Rorten – there’s a spring in his step and a bounce in his boobies.

  18. Anton

    This is a great result. Libs down to 28% in longman with PHON on 16%, down 4% in mayo to a non labor candidate. Like Austria, Hungary, Italy and Germany the social democrat token right party has to die before something else has space to grow.

    Could be LPD, CA, ALA, PHON or someone else. Palmer, Latham?

    I would bet on PHON, but who knows

  19. Infidel Tiger

    Anyone but PHON.

    GetUp funded stooge party.

  20. jupes

    May well be, but poor tortured, hard done by David Hicks was also a luvvie twat. Leigh Sales wrote a book about him, remember.

    FMD Zulu what’s with the Neil James love?

    The fuckwit is fully on board with women in the infantry, homos at the mardi gras and trannie sex change ops.

    The man is totally on board with every policy that has changed the ADF from a war fighting machine into the benevolent society.

  21. jupes

    Could be LPD, CA, ALA, PHON or someone else. Palmer, Latham?

    I’d go with anyone Latham joins.

    Square away his global warming beliefs and he’d be our Trump.

  22. JC

    Artie

    The other thing is that not only are you barracking for the Liars to win so the Libs are destroyed, but you’re talking other people here into supporting the same thing. Stop it and stop it now as it’s silly -resembling the plane incident analogy.

    It doesn’t have to be that way as other nations have shown. There doesn’t have to be a leap to the left and then one to the reconstituted right. What needs to happen is that we see a rise of a new right party taking lots of support and trouncing the traditional parties. It’s happened before – certainly overseas recently and it occurred here too with the creation of the Liberal party from the ashes of the UAP.

    Liars in government would turn this place into Argentina. Continue flying with the broken engine and if another party doesn’t show up, well that’s because people a satisfied with what they have.

    It would be great to see the libs form a minority government with a New Right and the libs are the minority partners.

  23. JC

    If Cohenite comes on here stooging for fucking One Nation, I’m definitely going to choke him dead.

  24. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    FMD Zulu what’s with the Neil James love?

    The fuckwit is fully on board with women in the infantry, homos at the mardi gras and trannie sex change ops.

    I’ve lost touch with the Australian Defence Association over the past few years, but they took the right stand on David Hicks.

  25. Infidel Tiger

    I have never barracked for the liars on my life.

    I want to blow them both up.

  26. Ubique

    Fronted up to vote in the Fremantle by-election. Labor signs everywhere with a sprinkling of Greens advertising – nothing else. Only Labor and Greens handing out how to vote cards. How sad and depressing. No Liberal candidate. The three voters in the family all voted for the Lib Dems first and Australian Christians second. What a sorry tale. There’s no heart and no fight in the Turnbull dog.

  27. JC

    I have never barracked for the liars on my life.

    I want to blow them both up.

    Okay, okay. Calm down. You do want the libs destroyed at the next election, so doesn’t this mean the Liars by default.

  28. Anton

    I’d go with anyone Latham joins.

    Agree, besides PHON he is the only one capable of taking votes off labor.

  29. mh

    Stop the presses! Government does not win Opposition-held seat in by-election.

  30. JC

    Latham joined the LDP I believe. 🙂

    I’m pretty sure he did or was thinking about it. In any event the real action is in the senate. It doesn’t matter if the Liars win the lower house if the senate is in the right hands.

  31. Anton

    Can someone convince Gina Rinehart to throw her hat into the ring?

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can someone convince Gina Rinehart to throw her hat into the ring?

    Fair comment.

  33. JC

    Can someone convince Gina Rinehart to throw her hat into the ring?

    Lets hope she never gets in the ring as she’d flatted the mat.

  34. Anton

    Latham joined the LDP I believe. 

    The LDP are very unlikely to be the replacement for the Libs in my opinion. Latham will go elsewhere when he wants to draw a parliamentary salary again

  35. Oh come on

    Square away his global warming beliefs and he’d be our Trump.

    No. There is no “our Trump”. Trump is distinctly Made In America. It’s like Jacob Rees-Mogg is distinctly English. I don’t think we’ve ever had a great leader, perhaps because our greatness, when we’ve seen it, has manifested itself in the feats of ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. This, by definition, precludes such people from high office.

  36. Mother Lode

    Trumble will be counting on Labor’s many fantasists.

    He doesn’t mention certain topics now because he wishes to benefit from the disarray in Labor ranks when the next election is called.

    Boats will be the most obvious issue, but immigration in general, subsidies to make power cheaper (paid for by the people subsidised anyway) and such will also be strategic assets to be brought to bear. This is not to say he has a winning strategy – he still seems to think the electorate craves a carbon tax – but he believes it will secure him victory.

    Like all those economists who so sagaciously pronounced America could not achieve 4% growth, Mal and his cronies will be convinced that a base, narrow, cynical victory (straitjacketed as they are by small mindedness) is the best possible outcome.

    I truly wish the canine DNA that makes him so content to lick his own nethers would also impel him to stick his head outside the window when in the car – and all those tunnels and poles at the side of the road might free us from his hypertrophied mediocrity.

  37. JC

    Yea, but Latham is not going to create a new party. If he’s interested in politics he’ll go to the Senate under an affilation or as an indep. That’s the best we can hope for.

    You know, Latham leading the libs would be a winner. It will never happen of course. He’s actually soft and squishy on some matters as much as Turnbull. But he would clean up the energy mess and the immigration issue, I think. The LDP isn’t really his party.

  38. Anton

    I don’t think we’ve ever had a great leader,

    What about joh bjelke-petersen?

  39. struth

    Trump is a man who made a deal with free people who employed him to do certain things he advertised he would do.
    This situation is scary to Australians.
    Better to mumble about things than to own them.

  40. Better to mumble about things than to own them.

    The Catallaxy Motto, Struth.

  41. Anton

    Latham leading the libs would be a winner

    The Libs are beyond repair. They are only the token right of centre party. Being stuffed with career politicians with no private sector experience and owned by external interests there is nothing left to repair. The quicker they die the sooner something viable can grow. The preferential voting system does not allow three major parties to exist simultaneously

  42. The preferential voting system does not allow
    three major parties to exist simultaneously

    Spot on, Anton.
    In fact the system is specifically designed to exclude the possibility of a third major party.

  43. Farmer Gez

    Henry Bolte was a great leader.

  44. The LNP primary vote in Longman was almost 44.8 per cent at the 2013 election. In 2016, it fell to 39 per cent. It looks likely now, in the final wash up, to be slashed by another 10 point to around 28 per cent.

    Good to see that all Trumble’s hard work has not been wasted.

    Appointed to destroy the Liberals he is on target to achieve his ambition.

  45. JC

    The preferential voting system does not allow three major parties to exist simultaneously

    First past the post is worse and proportional creates monstrosities.

  46. Anton

    Preferential voting means that your vote stays alive until it gets to the second last spot on your ballot. Combined with compulsory voting where even the most apathetic and disinterested voters have to turn up means that one of the 2 majors will eventually hoover up your vote, because a significant number of the disinterested don’t even know the minor parties. It is very difficult for a small party to win a majority when the majors don’t even have to convince people to turn up and get a free kick from preference flows.

    If voting were optional many people wouldn’t turn up, leaving minor parties only having to convince the interested. Preferential voting is the mechanism that makes compulsory voting effective in giving free votes to the 2 major parties. One of them has to die before a new option can get a foothold

  47. Tel

    You guys do realize that Mayo was just won by a minor party today, with 45% of first preference vote?

    Not wanting to put reality in the way of your theoretical handwaving but seems like the 2 major parties can pretty easily be beaten.

  48. Armadillo

    Its all pretty irrelevant. Trump will end up squashing Australia like a bug. Our political class have been involved in supporting the Clinton Foundation, providing staff for Hillary, instigating the Russia probe (Downer) and generally leaking like a sieve (Trump will bomb Iran). Our Government funded “Australian National Broadcaster” is far more vicious towards Trump than the worst of the US “fake media”.

    I suspect Trump hates Turbull more than anyone on this site. He actually had to sit there and talk to the slime ball. Future PM Bill will be every bit as loathesome to him.

    Trump will probably be polite, but he sure as hell won’t go out of his way to do us any favours.

    Wait until he comes out here and visits our Parliamentarians. He will be spat on by the Greens, berated by Labor Union thugs and the Liberals will be exchanging snide remarks in their parliamentary sitting rooms. Our ABC will be whipping it all into a glorious socialist frenzy.

    IT may well get his wish. Don’t be surprised if we get nuked. We deserve it.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    Good point Tel.

  50. JC

    She’s unaffiliated liars party.

  51. Makka

    So, after it’s all said and done, we Australians are still fked. Nothing will change that until we see the Libs destroyed and Australia gets socialism good and hard. It’s our only hope.

  52. Who woulda ever thunk it?
    Turns out CL is in lockstep with Turnbull:

    I’m not bed-wetting. I’m celebrating. I want the Liberal Party totally destroyed.

  53. You guys do realize that Mayo was just won by a minor party today, with 45% of first preference vote?

    No. In between all the bitching I have no idea who won Mayo. Please explain.

  54. areff

    JC: much as I love you, this is addled:

    we see a rise of a new right party taking lots of support and trouncing the traditional parties

    No we won’t , for a simple reason: compulsory preferential voting. As long as votes flow through minor parties and end up in the cesspit of the two majors nothing changes.

    The best hope is a constipated Senate that can’t and won’t pass anything.

  55. Armadillo

    She’s unaffiliated liars party.

    Old Labor trick. Prime example is Richard Torbay. There have been others.

  56. No we won’t , for a simple reason: compulsory preferential voting. As long as votes flow through minor parties and end up in the cesspit of the two majors nothing changes.

    The best hope is a constipated Senate that can’t and won’t pass anything.

    Or electing a party that proposes the introduction of optional preferential voting in the House in line with how the Senate now operates.
    I’d also add a “No preferred candidate” only option, but that’s just me.

  57. areff

    Not wanting to put reality in the way of your theoretical handwaving but seems like the 2 major parties can pretty easily be beaten.

    Carlton won today.

    It seems like the Blues can pretty easily beat Richmond, Melbourne and every other of the seventeen teams above them.

  58. Infidel Tiger

    An Egyptian zoo has been busted painting stripes on a donkey and calling it a zebra.

    This is a metaphor for Turnbull’s Australia

  59. Mark A

    Infidel Tiger
    #2775121, posted on July 29, 2018 at 1:41 am

    An Egyptian zoo has been busted painting stripes on a donkey and calling it a zebra.

    Why?
    It’s not as we are running out of zebras.

  60. AC

    We need a 1993 Canadian style wipe-out of Turdball and the LNP so that we can start again and build a proper conservative centre-right force.

  61. Rossini

    Why is Turdbull still there?
    Why are we still in the Paris Accord?
    Is it because the liberals are fu**** even if the above were untrue!

  62. Texas Jack

    The Liberal primary vote in Longman appears to be down to around 28%.
    How do you get 28% in an electoral division seated on the Sunshine Coast a stone throw from the state seat of Nanango/Barambah owned by the Nats for all 106 years of its existence, and won with a LNP primary vote of 48% in a losing 2017 state campaign?
    Earth to the federal Liberal backbench – the Turnbull-Textor triangulation ploy is going down big time, and it’s taking most of you with it. It’s going to wipe you from government and destroy whatever shred of credibility the party has or had, and you have only yourselves to blame.

  63. A Lurker

    IT may well get his wish. Don’t be surprised if we get nuked. We deserve it.

    Canberra is expendable.

  64. Delta A

    The best result possible, IMO.

    Shorten is safe – significant swings to Labor – thus keeping the more popular Albo on the sidelines. Sharkie romped it in to show the Libs that voters won’t have entitled daddys’ girls foisted upon them.

    The Waffling Fop must surely be feeling a tad uneasy this morning.

  65. nemkat

    The ALP spent at least $500,000 on radio and TV ads in Longman in the last week.
    That made a huge difference.

  66. mh

    Perfect results on Saturday.

    One Nation doubled their vote. Turnbull now under more pressure. Excellent!

  67. H B Bear

    Those State LNP numbers are extraordinary. Somebody should ask Mark Textor what they mean.

  68. Boambee John

    Delta A

    The Waffling Fop must surely be feeling a tad uneasy this morning.

    Has Turdball come out of the Point Piper bunker to bless us with his thoughts on Super Saturday yet? Or are Lucy and Daddy still re-programming him?

  69. Myrddin Seren

    Somebody should ask Mark Textor what they mean.

    I think all Turnbull’s closest advisors – Lucy, Crosby, Textor, Photios – will draw the obvious conclusion from these results.

    It is all Tony Abbot’s fault and he must be disendorsed and expelled from the party urgently.

    This will without doubt be Turnbull’s ‘Steiner Moment’ – as the hordes of relieved Turnbull voters who are repelled by Tony Abbot and the climate sceptic rump of the LNP rush back to the colours of the Turnbull United Party and drive off the Red Labor legions besieging the Pt Piper bunker.

    ( Caution – this may or may not be #FakeNews )

  70. miltonf

    Perfect results on Saturday.

    Probably was the best that we could hope for. The former LNP voters aren’t mugs. I still don’t get why in seats like MacKellar and North Sydney voters will cop the likes of Falinsky and Zimmerman

  71. Tom

    Simon Benson administers the last rites to the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals:

    Longman by-election: Loss shows LNP has learned nothing

    Super Saturday has become a bloodbath for the LNP and a nightmare for Malcolm Turnbull. Four out of five of the by-elections have produced little in the way of surprises.

    But the apparent collapse in the LNP primary vote in Longman has been stunning. It was the only seat that mattered today as a bellwether for the next election. There are another five seats in Queensland held by the LNP that are under a two per cent margin.

    The message for the Turnbull government is dire. Queensland has abandoned it.

    What has become brutally clear from this result is that the government’s political strategy, whatever that is, isn’t working. Nationally it has no strategy to deal with Labor’s anti-business, class war campaign.

    And in Queensland, the LNP has no plan and no idea how to deal with Pauline Hanson.

    The LNP primary vote in Longman was almost 44.8 per cent at the 2013 election. In 2016, it fell to 39 per cent. It looks likely now, in the final wash up, to be slashed by another 10 point to around 28 per cent.

    The candidate Trevor Ruthenberg could not have done more to kill off his own chances. The military medal fiasco cost the LNP votes to be sure. But this alone does not account for a swing of this magnitude which is more than twice the average of by-election swings historically.

    The late push by the Catholic schools to campaign against the Government’s school funding cuts for the sector couldn’t have helped.

    At the heart of it was a stronger message from Bill Shorten that posed a singular question to voters — did they want better hospitals or bigger banks.

    Labor’s campaign against company tax cuts worked. Turnbull’s strategy to expose Labor’s lies didn’t.

    What will bolster Shorten’s leadership, which is now surely beyond doubt, is that the leakage of LNP primary votes went not just to One Nation but also to Labor. The LNP’s fate was sealed when the expected increase in preference flows from One Nation didn’t materialise for the LNP.

    The story of Longman is a failure by the LNP to come to terms with One Nation. It failed in the Queensland State election and today’s result proves it has learned nothing from the experience.

    Benson didn’t mention it, but the by-elections kill Albo’s leadership ambitions stone dead, guaranteeing a Peanut Head CFMEU Caliphate will begin destroying what’s left of the Australian economy next year.

    Oh, and to the Lieboral backbench rabbits, this was all caused by the Liars reject you thought was your saviour. His mission all along was to destroy the Lieboral Party and you useful idiots made it happen.

  72. stackja

    MT getting square for 2009?

  73. Senile Old Guy

    Oh, and to the Lieboral backbench rabbits, this was all caused by the Liars reject you thought was your saviour. His mission all along was to destroy the Lieboral Party and you useful idiots made it happen.

    Tom is correct.

  74. H B Bear

    Daddy and Lucy getting square more like it.

  75. Tintarella di Luna

    Outsiders today will be interesting

  76. Mater

    Those State LNP numbers are extraordinary. Somebody should ask Mark Textor what they mean.

    The ABC has already provided his line for him:

    And the Government will certainly not be able to claim the results as an endorsement of its company tax cuts strategy.

    Clearly, they didn’t go far enough left! [sarc]

  77. The Vengeful Ghost of Fiona Watson's Moggie

    Natural consequences.

    ‘Good and hard’.

    Australia does away with itself, one election at a time.

  78. Ubique

    Losing thirty-something Newspolls in a row meant something after all.

  79. stackja

    In Perth, former Kevin Rudd staffer Patrick Gorman will be the newest member of the House of Representatives when Parliament resumes in a fortnight.

  80. H B Bear

    The LNP’s fate was sealed when the expected increase in preference flows from One Nation didn’t materialise for the LNP.

    Why do people expect PHON preferences to flow to the LNP? PHON is a opportunistic party of largely outer suburban and rural battlers who would ordinarily vote Liars if they weren’t desperately chasing the Greens down fringe minority neo-Marxist social issues. You could count the number of “Right wing” positions they hold on one hand.

  81. H B Bear

    Gormann bringing some of that old R-G-R magic back to the country. Joining some of the other R-G-R Liars brains trust like Snic’s mate Andrew Leigh and his maaates.

  82. Helen

    Zulu, I looked at Oban, but it made me cold.

    and six months a year in a serviced apartment on Oban, Scotland,

  83. Peter Castieau

    The bittered Savv just said “the liberal party need to reinvent themselves ”

    Bit late for that I’d have thought.

  84. Entropy

    The bittered Savv just said “the liberal party need to reinvent themselves ”

    I am pretty sure she means get rid of anyone to the right of her husband in the PM’s office. That would work well.

  85. Senile Old Guy

    The bittered Savv just said “the liberal party need to reinvent themselves ”

    Bit late for that I’d have thought.

    Indeed! They need to dump their left-wing leader, stop adopting ALP policies and espouse some conservative ideals.

    Ha! No chance.

  86. struth

    You could count the number of “Right wing” positions they hold on one hand.

    It’s the ones that count to people.
    There’s mussie immigration.
    Then there’s mussie invasion, plus of course, mussie invasion.

  87. mh

    I trust PHON to oppose the new immigration plans that I keep hearing about. I don’t trust anyone else on this issue.

  88. Peter Castieau

    The couch hasn’t a clue about the demise of Fairfax, or if they do, they just won’t say.

  89. Confused Old Misfit

    And the Government will certainly not be able to claim the results as an endorsement of its company tax cuts strategy.

    NEG and stealth carbon tax and a parachuting candidate were the anti-liberal comments heard in my area of Mayo.

  90. struth

    It should be evidently clear that we are now being governed by U.N. traitors.
    Some really are still not quite with the program yet.
    “These people are just conspiracy theorists”, they say to themselves, reluctant to believe what must be wrong, surely.
    With Turnbull about to sign our sovereign rights to control our borders over to the U.N, and democracy and voter positions actively dismissed, what is taking so long for some people to see what’s going on?
    The UN is proudly, PROUDLY telling all and sundry they are global socialists.
    Our Malcom is their very willing puppet.
    So we see that Malcom will be going nowhere.
    What the voters want is irrelevant.
    It’s just a matter of holding onto power as long as he can to implement UN policies against voter wishes.

    The game for Malcom is not just staying in power.
    It is staying in power WHILE implementing the UN agenda.
    That’s all he is there for.
    That is a very big difference.

  91. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2775171, posted on July 29, 2018 at 8:52 am

    Simon Benson administers the last rites to the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals:

    Longman by-election: Loss shows LNP has learned nothing

    The Comments are NOT Flattering to Lord Waffles of Wentworth TurdBull

    – This Mr Turnbull isn’t a vote for Shorten and his Communist Comrades this is a vote against you & your destruction of the Liberal Party. Take the hint & leave. Oh & take Lucy and your limp wrist cabal of acolytes with you.

    – When is the Liberal Party going to accept it has stuffed up big time. Time to cut its losses, take the pain, and sack the Labor stooge Malcolm Turnbull.

    – Here is a suggestion for you Malcolm Turnbull. We will suffer 3 years of Shorten and Labor if you call an immediate election, resign, and take Bishop, Pyne, Frydenberg and Hawke with you.

    – The dominant Left Faction in the Party Room are dead wrong in thinking that Turnbull will get them over the line because Newspoll’s says he beats Shorten on the better leader measurement because clearly voters don’t agree and have given Turnbull the thumbs down. In swapping Abbott for Turnbull the Left Faction have stuffed the Liberal Party big time!

    – The L NP have put a political imbecile in charge and this is the predictable result.

    – The smartest guy in the room destroyed the Liberal Party in just 3 years. Clever.

    – When will Malcolm realise he has not and will never connect with the majority of voters especially the conservatives who have deserted the Liberal Party

    – Memo to Liberal Party. The choice is now crystal clear; its either Malcolm or the Party. The two are incompatible.

    Kerry Packer wanted to “kill Malcolm Turnbull”. Voters clearly intend to do the job for him.

    – LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE; this is a Turnbull thrashing, not an LNP thrashing.

    He bought the Liberal party and changed the name to the “Turnbull Coalition” – Turnbull OWNS THIS DEBACLE.

    – If it wasn’t so disastrous for Australia it would be laughable.

    The Liberals dumped Turnbull in 2009 for doing exactly what he is doing now.

    The Liberals – Bishop, Morrison, Frydenburg, O’Dwyer, et al, – are quite prepared to see Australia destroyed under Shorten, because that is where we are heading.

    Turnbull and his acolytes gave Abbott no chance before backstabbing him.

    Bishop was no “loyal deputy”, as she either watched and covered her own back.

    If they don’t learn now and act rapidly, Australia is going to die under the weight of Labor and the Unions.

  92. mh

    As one 2gb radio presenter said yesterday, the left and right framing of political debate will be overtaken by globalist and nationalist. Some truth to that.

  93. Senile Old Guy

    From comments on a Bolt piece:

    Turnbull, 34 losing Newspolls, no doubt heading for 35, 5 losing bye elections, when is the Liberal Party going to wake up?

  94. miltonf

    Mark sums it up pretty well.

    Mark Latham’s Outsiders
    2 hrs ·
    THE KEY STATISTIC FROM ‘SUPER SATURDAY’
    You won’t see this number in the mainstream media or in spin from the major parties. But across the five by-elections yesterday, the combined major party vote (Labor plus Liberal), on average, was just 55.8%.
    True, the Liberal Party didn’t field candidates in Perth or Fremantle, but taking the average for the other three seats (Longman, Braddon and Mayo), the combined Labor/Liberal vote was 62.5%. This was down from 78.3% at the 2013 Federal election in those three electorates. That is, in just five years the minor party vote has increased from 21.7% to 37.5% – a striking shift in voter sentiment.
    Have no doubt, due to their failures over the past decade, the major parties are on the nose. In two significant cases, the Liberal primary vote has collapsed. In 2013 under Tony Abbott, the Liberals had a primary vote of 44.8% in Longman and 53.8% in Mayo. Yesterday under Malcolm Turnbull, these figures were 28.6% and 36.3% respectively – in both cases, a drop of 16-17%.
    Longman and Mayo are outer suburban/hinterland seats, the kind of electorates that usually determine general election results. Turnbull, with his aloof manner and policy timidity, is poison for the Liberals in these seats. (Note also how the Liberal primary vote in Braddon dropped by 8% between 2013 and yesterday). Abbott was far more effective as Liberal leader in the outer suburbs and hinterland areas.
    The only plus for the Liberals out of yesterday is they get to keep Bill Shorten as Opposition Leader. Due to his lies and shifty manner, Shorten is massively unpopular, with a 60% disapproval rating in the key state of Queensland.
    Early in the by-election campaigns, the Albanese forces were gearing up to replace Shorten. But then it became clear in Labor polling that they were doing much better in Longman than the newspaper polls indicated. This is why last week Albo said he would not challenge Shorten – he knew there would be no trigger for a challenge, as there would be no by-election losses.
    In the last three weeks of the campaign, Labor shielded its candidate Susan Lamb from media exposure – a sure sign it thought she was in front and needed to avoid errors. The published polls, especially ReachTel, got Longman badly wrong – a lesson going forward in trusting telephone polling in marginal seats. ReachTel also badly messed up a WA state by-election result recently, so it’s on the skids.
    Why has the minor party vote increased so sharply, to well over one-third of the electorate on yesterday’s results? I think the answer is simple: Australian politics has ended a weird Twilight Zone. The major parties have failed on energy policy, immigration, education, health, economic management, deficit reduction, tax policy, wages growth and in refusing to stand up against political correctness and identity politics.
    As a result of these failures, Labor and Liberal run surreal campaigns against each other in key seats – with intense negativity against the other side, and a series of empty slogans pretending they still have policy solutions. Shorten, for instance, talks a lot about improving hospitals, schools and wages growth but hasn’t got a clue as to how this might be achieved (other than by throwing good money after bad).
    The system has become a joke. Labor and Liberal campaign by squabbling over the scraps of their own failures. As the ALP strategist Bruce Hawker has admitted, up to 47% of the electorate is now either supporting a minor party or thinking about it. People aren’t silly, they know a broken system when they see one and quite sensibly, they are looking for third party alternatives.

  95. H B Bear

    If by “globalist” you mean “global socialism and corporatism” that is obviously correct.

  96. Senile Old Guy

    The published polls, especially ReachTel, got Longman badly wrong – a lesson going forward in trusting telephone polling in marginal seats. ReachTel also badly messed up a WA state by-election result recently, so it’s on the skids.

    It would be interesting to know what percentage of people simply hang up when robo-polled: I do. And how many lie.

  97. H B Bear

    Latham spot on on the polls – they are useless. Reachtel is worse than useless.

  98. OldOzzie

    And the Liberals wonder why Turdbull and the Skeleton “UN Loving” Bishop are losing Liberal Voters

    From Peta Credlin Today – Stuck in traffic? Blame migrant invasion

    CALL me a cynic but I am always on the lookout for newsworthy items slipped out by the bureaucracy when our attention is focused elsewhere.

    And there it was on Friday, on the eve of five much-talked about by-elections, the latest update on Australia’s migration numbers from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

    If you don’t think we have a problem with our high migration rate, then think again. According to the official ABS data in 2016-17, 539,000 people arrived in Australia. The Director of Migration Statistics at the ABS confirmed this was the highest number of overseas migrants on record. Now once departures are taken into consideration, we’re left with a Net Overseas Migration intake of 262,000 people — the third highest ever (beaten only by the Rudd years — 277,400 in 2008 and 299,800 in 2009).

    Now you can understand why people sitting in traffic jams are angry, why young families who can’t get into the housing market are losing heart and why wage growth has remained so flat. The Turnbull Government cannot hide from this issue any longer. Right now, ordinary Australians want a migration policy that’s focused on Australia’s long term national interest, not political self-interest.

    But it gets worse.

    We also found out last week that there’s been a secret government plan to outsource some of our migration policy to the UN which should be learning lessons from Australia’s border protection policies, rather than giving us lectures.

    All credit here to my Sky News colleague, 2GB radio host Alan Jones who picked up the fact that Australia has co-authored a new United Nations “Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration” which argues against detention being used as a deterrent and includes commitments to review our existing border policies.

    The genesis of this UN document is Europe’s migration crisis — part humanitarian movement of people from the Syrian conflict zone, and part opportunistic illegal movement from people wanting a better economic outcome. So when Europe has made such a mess of its border protection policies, why would Australia would sign up to any UN convention largely drafted by countries who’ve lost control of their borders?

    Yes, Australia is a good international citizen and we like to do our bit to help when others are in trouble. But that shouldn’t extend to signing up to an international agreement that will give legions of do-gooders a means to moralise against our border protection policies that, unlike theirs, actually work.

    Australia is one of only 27 countries in the world that resettles refugees — the other 163 odd countries do not. Not only that, we resettle migrants with support for housing, English language help, health and education as well as broader welfare support. Of course, the attraction of Australia, and our taxpayer largesse, has given the people smugglers a much-wanted product to sell.

    Critics might have decried our tough border protection policies but they’ve been proven to work, and ended the deaths at seas. Unlike the story in Europe.

    Over the past few years, Europe has been a migration basket case. To deal with the influx, countries, such as Hungary, have moved people on and closed their borders. Disastrously, Germany put out the welcome mat to nearly one million, angry, military age Muslim males. Initial approval for Chancellor Merkel’s big heart soon turned to resentment at the cost of keeping the newcomers and then anger at their reluctance to fit in. Right across Europe, communities are up in arms about what they rightly perceive is nothing less than a peaceful invasion.

    This is the background to the new “Global Compact” that the United Nations started working on in late 2016. The problem with this document is that it’s more interested in the rights of migrants than it is in a country’s right to protect its borders and keep its character.

    Inevitably, this document would be used to shame countries like us, for policies that actually work; and exploited by human rights lawyers to get illegal migrants the residency outcomes they want. That’s why the United States withdrew from negotiations last December, and Hungary has just announced that it won’t be part of it either. Asked about this on radio by Alan Jones, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton said a little hesitantly that Australia wouldn’t sign up to this compact “in its current form”.

    Of course this just begs some urgent questions — why were we involved in this document in the first place, who authorised Australia’s co-drafting role and where is the mandate from voters to outsource migration policy to the UN?

    Peter Dutton is a strong and effective minister. But he was rolled by the Prime Minister when he wanted to scale back immigration numbers and now this UN document emerges. Australians have every right to demand an immediate and transparent debate about migration and both sides of politics must have clear policies on the table before the next election rather than hope this issue will go away.

  99. miltonf

    People like Dutton, Hastie and Abbott do themselves no credit by staying on board.

  100. struth

    The problem with this document is that it’s more interested in the rights of migrants than it is in a country’s right to protect its borders and keep its character.

    This is where she fell down.
    Lefties love to argue that “keeping your character is white Ray Sizm”

    It’s not about keeping your character.
    It is about keeping your country and democracy.
    Democracy requires borders.
    Geographical borders.
    It’s more important than just keeping your character.
    Otherwise, good article, and a much needed expose’ of our lying , traitorous rulers.

  101. Andre Lewis

    Malcolm Turnbull is right, it is all about leadership. Now that he has all but delivered a Shorten government next year his work here is done. Time for him to move on.

  102. Viva

    Labor and Liberal campaign by squabbling over the scraps of their own failures.

    That just about sums it up.

  103. miltonf

    Uniparty to the electorate- we really hold you in contempt but let’s all pretend that we don’t. And shame on you if you don’t play along.

  104. struth

    Malcolm Turnbull is right, it is all about leadership. Now that he has all but delivered a Shorten government next year his work here is done. Time for him to move on.

    He has more UN policy and agenda to implement.
    Time is everything, and he will hang on to the very last.
    He isn’t going anywhere because Australians aren’t awake up to what’s going on.
    There might be 30% maximum conservative voters who know he is a lacky for the UN.
    And that’s highly optimistic.
    You don’t need to fool all the people all the time……………………………….
    People don’t live forever.

  105. Old School Conservative

    How can Turnbull and Dutton pretend to weasel their way out of the UN Global Compact when Australia co-authored the damm thing!

  106. Infidel Tiger

    Has The bittered Sav written a column blaming Abbott yet?

  107. Senile Old Guy

    Has The bittered Sav written a column blaming Abbott yet?

    It is the only column she ever writes.

  108. Aaron

    Has The bittered Sav written a column blaming Abbott yet?

    The Bittered Sav works on a one week turnaround for her columns which gives her ample time to straighten her fringe. She writes every Thursday about what happened last Thursday and in her twisted and delusional world Turnbull’s potential greatness is hampered solely by Tony Abbott’s existence.

  109. OldOzzie

    The Australian Article – Longman by-election: Loss shows LNP has learned nothing

    1325 Comments and climbing and none too kind to Turdbull

  110. .

    Centre Alliance eh?

    They’re raging lefties.

  111. stackja

    MT has a Reverse Midas Touch. Reverse alchemy.

  112. Dr Faustus

    Nothing better exemplifies Turnbull’s intimate, Bourbon, l’etat c’est moi connection with his subjects than the Grande Silence.

    You have

    – a few hundred Party workers in the three electorates – who will be asked to do the same again in 10 months;

    – a few thousand Party rank and file – who will be asked to donate and deliver at the next General Election;

    – a few million Liberal/LNP voters who will be wondering if there was any meaning at all in the swing against the Government and whether they should hold their allegiance…

    And Waffle hides away, grimacing at the plebian stupidity, sending out winged-monkey, Submarine Pyne, to tells lies about the ‘campaign’ and announce that the voters of Mayo will be lucky enough to have a second chance to vote properly for the Downer girlie.

  113. cohenite

    PHON will cut back immigration, put a lid on islam, piss off renewables and piss on the paris accord and reopen Ayers Rock.

    What more do you want except Latham.

  114. Confused Old Misfit

    Greens ->Centre Alliance <- Labour/Liberal

  115. .

    When the political “centre” is left of the ALP left, your country might be a socialist conformity factory.

  116. Dr Faustus

    At least part of the pitiful showing in Longman is down to the LNP.

    One might reasonably expect senior members of the Queensland Opposition to be out on the stump, vigorously defending the local benefits of the Turnbull Lucky Golden Policies. Or linking the dismal failure of the Palacechook Government to the incoming horror of the Shorten ALP.

    After all, Longman is only 30 minutes up the road from Brisbane.

    But no.

    Google “Deb Frecklington” (LNP State parliamentary leader) over the past week and find her chasing down the really important issues:

    LNP leader Deb Frecklington has accused the Queensland government of spending $180,000 moving youth detainees around the state…

    Member for Nanango Deb Frecklington presents a new Queensland Flag to Year 6 student Lillian Alexander and school principal Mr Murray Johnson.

    Liberal National Party Leader Deb Frecklington has said the suspension of Air China flights between Brisbane and Beijing is further proof the Palaszczuk Labor has failed…

    Nothing in Longman.
    Slug Energy.

  117. Crossie

    Infidel Tiger
    #2774748, posted on July 28, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    40% of One Nation prefernce’s go to Labor.

    Hanson is and always will be a left wing stalking horse.

    I’m not surprised, her support comes from disaffected Labor voter as much as Lib/Nats.

  118. H B Bear

    If the Lieborals run Downer again in Mayo they are more fvcking stupid than even I thought they were. And you know they will.

    Did Chrissy have his stupid shit eating grin last night as he papered over another campaign disaster from the Waffleworth Election Winning Machine?

  119. old bloke

    miltonf
    #2775244, posted on July 29, 2018 at 10:30 am

    People like Dutton, Hastie and Abbott do themselves no credit by staying on board.

    True. I’m in Hastie’s electorate but I can’t vote for him. I can’t bring myself to vote for Labor either, so I’ll be just another informal voter.

  120. Faye

    Trent Zimmerman last night on the ABC presenters’ desk didn’t look his pucker self. He was running out of reasons why the LNP would win. His face spelled “oops what happens now to our nice littler earner”.

  121. Confused Old Misfit

    .
    #2775340, posted on July 29, 2018 at 12:08 pm
    When the political “centre” is left of the ALP left, your country might be a socialist conformity factory.

    However, remember that THEY, the Centre Alliance, defined the word CENTRE.
    Another example of the left attempting to redefine the language.
    We must refer to them as the Left of Labour Alliance.

  122. Faye

    CORRECTION: “little earner”

  123. Cumborah Kid

    Interesting stat. Only 60% of the voters turned out to vote in the Perth electorate yesterday. 40% stayed at home. I’m guessing most of them Lib voters.

  124. Crossie

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2774822, posted on July 28, 2018 at 8:06 pm
    Why does Sky have that dense Fiona Scott on as a political commentator? she has as much political nous and Malcolm Turnbull

    If she had any nous she would still be the sitting member for Lindsay rather than that louse Emma Husar but it was more important to back Malcolm than Tony. She contributed to Western Sydney Libs being disgusted with their party.

  125. Dr Faustus

    The takeaway from Longman is that PHON voters are using their first preference to register an informal protest against the UniParty – but can’t quite bring themselves to just draw a prick and balls on the ballot paper.

  126. Crossie

    True. I’m in Hastie’s electorate but I can’t vote for him. I can’t bring myself to vote for Labor either, so I’ll be just another informal voter.

    Abbott may be safe in his seat but both Hastie and Dutton will have to dissociate themselves from Turnbull or lose. If they don’t make a move they don’t deserve to win.

  127. H B Bear

    Dr Faustus – exactly right. Without compulsory voting turnout would be somewhere between 30 and 40% and all that taxpayer funding would still be sitting in the Treasury.

  128. Oh come on

    Isn’t it pretty obvious that polling via robo-calling is deeply flawed these days? So many households now don’t have fixed line phones – I would guess those that do would tend to be disproportionately older demographic.

  129. Senile Old Guy

    Isn’t it pretty obvious that polling via robo-calling is deeply flawed these days? So many households now don’t have fixed line phones – I would guess those that do would tend to be disproportionately older demographic.

    Pretty much the only time my landline rings is for a robo-polled, which I ignore.

  130. max

    Informal votes are around 8%. Plus low turnout of 56%.

    It’s not that voters don’t care. They are angry.

  131. Dr Faustus

    When the political “centre” is left of the ALP left, your country might be a socialist conformity factory.

    This has been Turnbull’s particular contribution to Australian politics.

    His adherence to progressive/left projects and flabby support for economic conservatism has moved the ALP and the balance point in the UniParty well to the left. At the same time, his personal wealth and patrician persona has enabled the ALP to demonise him as a top-hatted, big-end-of-towner – and by implication the whole of the Coalition as right-wing loons.

    The Australian electorate will need the object lesson of three terms of of Shorten/DiNatale government before it realises that a class warfare version of democratic socialism does not lead to improved living standards.

  132. calli

    IT may well get his wish. Don’t be surprised if we get nuked. We deserve it.

    No. We’ll be ignored for the irrelevancies that we are.

  133. Crossie

    Infidel Tiger
    #2774859, posted on July 28, 2018 at 8:30 pm
    Liquidate all Australian assets.

    Find a safe zone for your children.

    I don’t think they will agree to move to Antarctica seeing as they find the current winter too cold.

  134. Crossie

    Infidel Tiger
    #2774901, posted on July 28, 2018 at 8:53 pm
    US is rooted too and civil war is only a few years away.

    I have designs on Croatia, Czech Rep or Hungary.

    I have nothing to offer though. Quite a conundrum.

    Of the three climate is nicest in southern Croatia.

  135. H B Bear

    The Australian electorate will need the object lesson of three terms of of Shorten/DiNatale government before it realises that a class warfare version of democratic socialism does not lead to improved living standards.

    If the property Ponzi unwinds on Peanut Head’s watch and interest rates start going up it won’t take that long. People will be blowing up like Scanners.

  136. Tel

    If the property Ponzi unwinds on Peanut Head’s watch and interest rates start going up it won’t take that long. People will be blowing up like Scanners.

    Australia will hit sovereign debt crisis when we hit 100% debt to GDP, and that’s irrelevant of any “nett debt” bullshit… it’s the gross debt that needs to be paid.

    Depends on how quickly worldwide interest rates creep up (they will come up for sure, just a question of how fast) but Australian government interest payments are the thing to watch.

  137. candy

    It’s not that voters don’t care. They are angry.

    I think it’s apathy. Even Bill Shorten looked a bit nonplussed about it, like he didn’t expect it at all.

    Maybe Australians would like a Trump like leader – some bravado, concrete big policies to carry out, an adventurous type?
    But our big parties knife their leaders if they say anything controversial and are frightened of those who are forthright and honest.

  138. struth

    Hey Aussies, tired of all the winning yet?

    Thank god for Trump you say.
    We were too far gone for it to do us any good.

  139. Cassie of Sydney

    So Malturd has finally released a statement saying that come “Labor has nothing to crow about”. Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he? Ha, ha, ha. Actually Labor has everything to crow about. They know that that utter fuckwit of a PM is the gift that keeps on giving and they are laughing and laughing and laughing. It is hysterical. And why wouldn’t they be happy. They know that the Liberal party primary vote is melting away. And we know the truth, that Malturd is the biggest disaster in the history of the Liberal party. It doesn’t matter that by-elections in seats held by the opposition are nearly impossible to win, it matters that the primary vote yesterday for the Liberals, especially in a seat like Longman, has crashed…evaporated. It is seats like Longman that Libs need to win to win power. Bravo to Pussy Pyne, fatso Payne, Grasshopper Bitchup, bellicose bullshit artist Buckingham (who is happy to pick up a fight with Catholic Schools but not a whisper about Safe Schools…..so glad you’ve got your priorities right you absolute fucking dickhead) and all the rest of the vermin currently infecting the Liberal party. Giving us Labor lite policies…..well we may as well vote Labor.

    I didn’t expect the Libs to win any of the seats yesterday however looking at the primary vote results shows very clearly that if the Libs go to the next federal election under Malturd they are going to be evaporated. There will only be ashes left. If this doesn’t rattle any of the backbench then nothing will.

    Hastie, Dutton, Abbott, Kelly…..they need to get out NOW.

  140. JC

    I think it’s apathy.

    The thing that stunned me the most was the Victorian Liars Party writing off of over US$1 billion to discontinue the east/west freeway and remained reasonably popular. That was really shocking.

    I’m not sure if it could even be called apathy. It’s something worse than that. Lol at voters being angry.

  141. JC

    Australia will hit sovereign debt crisis when we hit 100% debt to GDP, and that’s irrelevant of any “nett debt” bullshit… it’s the gross debt that needs to be paid.

    I don’t think you can predict a crisis reaching that milestone. Japan has run up that ratio up to 250% and there hasn’t been much of a problem. Nominally Japanese interest rates have never been so low either.

    Depends on how quickly worldwide interest rates creep up (they will come up for sure, just a question of how fast) but Australian government interest payments are the thing to watch.

    Lot’s of predictions about interest rates going way up. They may do, but monetary policy would have to firstly start off very loose.

  142. H B Bear

    Australia isn’t Japan. It has no domestic savings base, some of the highest consumer debt in the world and is exposed to global commodity prices. It is a ping pong ball on the global sea.

  143. Neil

    I don’t think you can predict a crisis reaching that milestone. Japan has run up that ratio up to 250% and there hasn’t been much of a problem

    Japan can fund the bulk of its debt from local sources. Furthermore they have vast overseas assets to cover their debt. We have to get 70% of our budget deficit from overseas.

    To try and compare us to Japan or the USA is just stupid

  144. JC

    Australia isn’t Japan. It has no domestic savings base, some of the highest consumer debt in the world and is exposed to global commodity prices. It is a ping pong ball on the global sea.

    Which means the hit would be taken through the exchange rate. Australia isn’t Greece either as we have a floating exchange rate.

    Can anyone point to a country with a free exchange rate mechanism having experienced a sovereign debt crisis? I can’t think of one.

  145. struth

    We are now seeing the result of changing the voters to suit.
    We are now seeing the result of our compulsory preferential voting coupled to it.
    And the traitorous UN activities of those who only need power to implement an agenda and get a comfy life at the UN …………………………………….

  146. JC

    Japan can fund the bulk of its debt from local sources.

    Why would “local” sources be less wise than overseas investors in not avoiding a sovereign debt problem?

    Furthermore they have vast overseas assets to cover their debt

    Who’s they eggsactly? Private investors?

    So let me understand what you’re saying here. Japan falls in to a sovereign debt crisis and domestic investors would immedaitely liquidate foreign assets in order to purchase defaulting or potentially defaulting Japanese sovereign debt. That sounds awfully implausible. 🙂 Really, it sounds about about as lame is it gets in terms of an explanation.

    We have to get 70% of our budget deficit from overseas.

    That ratio is meaningless for the very reason that overseas investors don’t simply just buy our sovereign debt. They buy a host of shit.. from Australian bonds to stock and real estate.

    To try and compare us to Japan or the USA is just stupid

    Actually, with a floating exchange rate, not comparing the US to Japan and the US is stupid.

    Reserve status for the US dollar is not really as powerful a factor as people really believe it to be. If the US was an elevated risk, no one would give a shit about reserve status and it would be like a herd of elephants trying to escape through a keyhole.

    Let me make this point so it gets into people’s heads and stays there.

    Greece, Italy and Spain fell into a traditional debt crisis for the simple reason that they have no floating exchange rate mechanism.

    Old style debts crisis of the sort we saw Greece fall into has never occurred to any country with a floating exchange rate. You will see nominal depreciation of the exchange rate and some form of recession/inflation combo, but you won’t see the crisis Greece experienced.

  147. Tom

    Latham spot on on the polls – they are useless. Reachtel is worse than useless.

    That’s why Reachtel is the ventriloquist of choice for the Ponds Institute: with Reachtel framing the questions, you can get any answer your communist heart desires.

  148. Neil

    Why would “local” sources be less wise than overseas investors in not avoiding a sovereign debt problem?

    If you borrow from your own people at least the interest/dividends on the investment stays in the country. Japan would have large investment funds, large multinationals eg Toyota, Sony etc etc who are willing to plonk spare cash in Japanese bonds.

    We have nothing like that so we have to borrow 70% of our budget deficit from overseas and the interest on the debt also goes to foreigners

  149. JC

    If you borrow from your own people at least the interest/dividends on the investment stays in the country.

    It stays in the country anyway when a country has a floating exchange rate which floats freely. They are all private buyers and sellers.

    Japan would have large investment funds, large multinationals eg Toyota, Sony etc etc who are willing to plonk spare cash in Japanese bonds.

    But in the midst of a potential default, you’re arguing their behavior would suggest they wouldn’t try to avoid and they it. They would go right ahead and buy potentially defaulting bonds or banks deposits. Sure.

    We have nothing like that so we have to borrow 70% of our budget deficit from overseas and the interest on the debt also goes to foreigners

    This is pure nonsense. It a version of the old current account deficit is going to be our ruination.

  150. stackja

    The ALP likes poor people. The more poor, the better. Of course, the ALP aren’t poor.

  151. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
    #2775272, posted on July 29, 2018 at 11:02 am

    The Australian Article – Longman by-election: Loss shows LNP has learned nothing

    1325 Comments and climbing and none too kind to Turdbull

    Now 1650 Comments and NOT Kind to TurdBull

    and this is “The Comment of The Day”

    Trumball and his gender opposite doppelgänger Lucy can keep deluding themselves with the “Preferred PM” Newspoll metric. But the voting intention Newspoll and other opinion polls metric tells another story, as do 5 by elections, including the disastrous Longman by election. When will the Liberal Party Room nominate an empty chair to challenge the empty suit Trumball?

  152. Neil

    This is pure nonsense. It a version of the old current account deficit is going to be our ruination.

    Why is it nonsense? WE have to fund the bulk of our budget deficit from overseas (70%) because we do not have the money to fund our deficits. So foreigners lend us the money and they receive interest of the money they lend.

    Japan does not have to worry about that. They can get their money to fund their debt from local sources. Furthermore the interest stays in the country

  153. JC

    Why is it nonsense?

    For the numerous reasons I explained.

    WE have to fund the bulk of our budget deficit from overseas (70%) because we do not have the money to fund our deficits.

    No we don’t. We have a large number of overseas investors buying our bonds in the open market. We’re not funding from overseas. If we were we would be dedicating bond sales in foreign markets but we’re not. Your stat is meaningless for the reasons I’ve already mentioned. I’m not even sure if it’s correct. Where did you get that number? Source?

    So foreigners lend us the money and they receive interest of the money they lend.

    Foreigners buy our bonds and they receive interest in Australian dollars. On maturity or the coupon date the holder can either choose to keep those Australian dollars or sell them in the open market to a buyer of Australian dollars. Those dollars don’t leave Australia. I’ve mentioned this a few times, but it doesn’t seem to sink in. There maybe a downwards impact on the exchange rate, but that’s impossible to quantify. That’s all.

    Japan does not have to worry about that. They can get their money to fund their debt from local sources.

    It makes zero difference.

    Furthermore the interest stays in the country

    So it does with the Australian example.

  154. old bloke

    The Perth count appears to be complete with the big two (Labor & Greens) sharing 58% of the vote. 42% of the vote went to minor parties and independents, this could be interesting if it’s the start of a trend.

    The informal vote is also up by 5% to almost 9% of the vote, but the real eye-opener is the low turnout, 38% of the voters didn’t bother voting, though I suspect that they may figure later amongst the postal votes.

  155. H B Bear

    Not sure how much you can read into the Perth numbers with the Lieborals too poor to run a candidate. All you can say is that the Lieboral candidate at the general election starts with zero recognition in the electorate, which should be a marginal seat for whoever holds it.

  156. stackja

    ALP print more dollars?

  157. .

    Neil, please shut up. You think 250% public debt to GDP is no worries but the CAD (= -KA, foreign investment, NOT DEBT) will ruin us.

    Please shut up.

  158. Robber Baron

    Can any contributor name one Liberal Senator or MP that is a free-market capitalist, small government advocate and free-speech defender?

    I didn’t think so.

    The voters in the by-elections yesterday didn’t think so either.

  159. stackja

    ALP socialism to the rescue?

  160. .

    Robber Baron – Dr Peter Phelps, MLC (NSW)?

  161. JC

    Can any contributor name one Liberal Senator or MP that is a free-market capitalist, small government advocate and free-speech defender?

    I didn’t think so.

    The voters in the by-elections yesterday didn’t think so either.

    I think James Patterson’s position would veer pretty close to that if not right on target.

  162. Robber Baron

    Sorry to differ Dot and JC. Just look at their voting records…you will find they voted the same way as their respective leaders.

  163. miltonf

    James Patterson’s true colors showed during the census debacle.

  164. Neil

    Your stat is meaningless for the reasons I’ve already mentioned. I’m not even sure if it’s correct. Where did you get that number? Source?

    This picture says it was 60% in 2016. I think the budget publishes the numbers every year

    https://www.austrade.gov.au/images/useruploadedimages/5723/iload39901___source.gif

    Notice bonds on issue hovers around $50-$55B from 2003-2008. This is because the Howard govt did not need to borrow money but decided to keep $50B of bonds on issue for various reasons. That is why gross debt is misleading. In 2007 gross debt was $50B but NET debt was minus $40B ie less than zero

    Those dollars don’t leave Australia. I’ve mentioned this a few times, but it doesn’t seem to sink in.

    No it doesn’t sink in. I guess I am too dumb to understand

    Neil, please shut up. You think 250% public debt to GDP is no worries

    Not for the Japanese since the majority of debt is internal. Plus they have vast overseas assets eg Toyota, Sony, Mitsubishi etc. The list is enless

  165. JC

    Neil

    I’m not arguing government borrowing is beneficial. There should be no government borrowing. Focus on the argument you have been making and stop introducing other bullshit.

    Follow a transaction through to the end and then apologize for wasting time.

  166. Roger

    Australia has co-authored a new United Nations “Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration” which argues against detention being used as a deterrent and includes commitments to review our existing border policies.

    As I’ve suggested before, it’s not so much our politicians who have succumbed to a perfidious internationalism that undermines our national interest, it’s the upper echelons of the public service who devise and implement policy. Politicians come and go, but the mandarins remain. Peter Dutton can wax rhetorical about cutting migration all he likes, the fact is his department his presiding over an ever increasing and unsustainable intake. Pace Credlin, by that measure he’s one of the most ineffective ministers in the government.

  167. .

    Not for the Japanese since the majority of debt is internal. Plus they have vast overseas assets eg Toyota, Sony, Mitsubishi etc. The list is enless

    Oh great, they can liquidate “endless” private assets to pay for record-breaking levels of public debt.

    This is economic policy of socialist oiks.

    At what level is there a problem? 300%? 500% 1000%?

  168. miltonf

    As I’ve suggested before, it’s not so much our politicians who have succumbed to a perfidious internationalism that undermines our national interest, it’s the upper echelons of the public service who devise and implement policy. Politicians come and go, but the mandarins remain.

    That’s exactly right. The challenge for any populist government is to take on Canberra establishment. The Marxist Canberra establishment. Remember that picture of Trumble, Palmer and Parkinson leaving that restaurant.

  169. Neil

    Follow a transaction through to the end and then apologize for wasting time.

    I thought I did.

  170. Roger

    Try again

    “Senior ministers last night were surprised to hear of the meeting and even more curious about the presence of Dr Parkinson.”

    I would hope the reporter was putting their reaction mildly.

  171. H B Bear

    “Senior ministers last night were surprised to hear of the meeting and even more curious about the presence of Dr Parkinson.”

    Parkinson is Green-Left poison. Abbott and Sloppy Joe should have turfed him first thing Monday on taking government.

  172. Oh come on

    JC is right. In a free and open economy, purchasing more government debt when the public debt load is already unsustainable would be as unattractive to local investors as it would be to foreigners. Governments can, of course, seize the assets of its citizens or tax them to oblivion to repay its debt, but neither is politically feasible in a robust democracy.

  173. .

    As one 2gb radio presenter said yesterday, the left and right framing of political debate will be overtaken by globalist and nationalist. Some truth to that.

    Yeah, some. NDIS + 6 or so years of more government that ignores the Washington consensus and we have sovereign debt like that of Japan or the PIIGS. Throw in a global downturn and we could possibly not recover for decades.

    No, I am completely serious. This is no laughing matter.

    Wet and dry are still important.

  174. OldOzzie

    miltonf
    #2775505, posted on July 29, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    As I’ve suggested before, it’s not so much our politicians who have succumbed to a perfidious internationalism that undermines our national interest, it’s the upper echelons of the public service who devise and implement policy. Politicians come and go, but the mandarins remain.

    That’s exactly right. The challenge for any populist government is to take on Canberra establishment. The Marxist Canberra establishment. Remember that picture of Trumble, Palmer and Parkinson leaving that restaurant.

    What the Idiots in the Liberal/Natiinal Party have not worked out, is that the ACT does NOT vote for them, so taking a chainsaw to the Public Servants in Canberra would not cost them anything

  175. min

    Seems Molino of Victoriastan has ordered the police to investigate LNP for using electoral staff for campaigning. A little late methinks and as he has John Pesutto on his list and as Pesutto has only 1and a half in his office that might have been a little hard to arrange as he was telling me that with that number of helpers it was difficult to do extra work . I had given him some information re corruption in the Labor Party however it required a researcher to go thru archival material and he did not have enough staff to do it.

  176. Snoopy

    One possible consequence of Super Saturday is that the ACTU and the ALP left will be emboldened policy-wise at the ALP annual conference. The abandonment of boat turn backs and the imposition of death duties?

  177. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2775574, posted on July 29, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Robust democracy? ALP lies and MSM help.

  178. H B Bear

    Snoopy – that pre-supposes the Lord Waffleworth and his election winning machine are capable of running a decent election campaign. They are not.

  179. Snoopy

    It’s difficult to believe but the passage of time has proved Bill Leak’s portrayal of Bill Shorten to be more than just a little flattering.

  180. Tel

    The abandonment of boat turn backs and the imposition of death duties?

    Why announce unpopular policies before the election when they are quite comfortable just doing whatever they like after winning by any means necessary?

  181. stackja

    BS is allowed to speak BS and MSM report the different versions as the truth.

  182. H B Bear

    Lord Waffleworth looked pretty relaxed on the 6pm news. He knows his job is nearly done. Shit Happens now saying that senior Lieborals are urging the abandonment of corporate tax cuts which would mean BAU for most of them given their attempts to actually make the case for them.

  183. candy

    Lord Waffleworth looked pretty relaxed on the 6pm news.

    The LNP would be confident of winning the next election. The shadow of one or two unions hangs heavily over Bill Shorten. He seems a decent guy with the welfare of the disadvantaged in mind and he is genuine in that regard, but he seems to have no control over those rogue unions (like the bullying they did of voluntary firefighters in Victoria). I think that is the general perception of Bill Shorten.

  184. Cassie of Sydney

    “H B Bear
    #2775706, posted on July 29, 2018 at 8:50 pm
    Lord Waffleworth looked pretty relaxed on the 6pm news”.

    Waffleworth is having fun! He’s always having fun. The ship is sinking and the waves are lapping his feet and yet Waffleworth has never had so much fun in his life.

    That’s his epitaph right there.

  185. Anton

    Japan does not have to worry about that. They can get their money to fund their debt from local sources.

    It is not about corporations or investors. The Japanese people (actually Asians in general) have a much higher propensity to save than australians and most other westerners. Nothing to do with investing, just saving cash or gold from their income. Some of this finds its way to local banks which can then invest in bonds or whatever.

    I think westerners have a higher propensity to invest ( shares, property etc), but they would in general use greater leverage.

  186. min

    According to Pickering there is a least one other ALP person with dual citizenship problems. Turnbull knows but won’t do anything either he does not want appear racist or does not want another similar experience like the last 2 months.

  187. .

    Anton

    Do not be silly. Japan is fleecing its citizens. Their JGB rate is 0.10%. What do you think they’re doing to the money supply?

  188. Anton

    Japan is fleecing its citizens.

    I agree. But they get away with it ( sofar) because of the propensity of most asian cultures to hoard money (or engage in wasteful saving if you are a Keynesian). This is a cultural trait, nothing to do with optimum financial steategy.

    Most australians don’t save any money at all outside of enforced super contributions

  189. .

    Most australians don’t save any money at all outside of enforced super contributions

    …and you know what that means.

  190. Anton

    and you know what that means.

    Nothing, except that they have a lower propensity to save than the average Asian.

  191. .

    It means they will raid our super when the SHTF and we have something like WWIII.

    If you’re young, assume your super has gone into a black hole. It is never coming back.

  192. Oh come on

    Saving is not an ‘Asian cultural thing’. It’s what sensible people do when faced with an uncertain future. The era of the welfare state has lulled many of us into complacency.

  193. Anton

    Government (both major parties) have already started to nibble their way into supet.

    The cycle repeats:
    – taxes were increased to pay for pensions
    – those taxes were spent elsewhere, leaving the pension kitty empty
    – to provide for retirement gov mandated another tax called superannuation contributions
    – government spends super accumulated savings
    – another new tax will be required

    Everything will be just fine

  194. Oh come on

    Italians have a high savings rate, despite a relatively generous welfare state. Is that cultural, or does it reflect a popular lack of faith in Italian institutions?

  195. Anton

    There was no welfare in the apartheid era south africa, but people (all races other than asian/indian) saved less of their income than asians in general. I think there is some cultural element, but obviously insecurity is also a factor

  196. Ubique

    Italians have a high savings rate

    So do the Greeks. It’s made possible by tax avoidance on an industrial scale. Why pay tax when Northern Europeans do so on your behalf?

  197. Oh come on

    No the Greeks don’t.

  198. Oh come on

    Greeks in Australia, maybe. But Greeks in Greece have had a negative savings rate for God knows how long.

  199. Oh come on

    Fifty years ago the average Australian saved like it was 1929.

  200. Neil

    Do not be silly. Japan is fleecing its citizens. Their JGB rate is 0.10%

    Isn’t that the same for Western Europe as well? Also our rates have to be higher than other Western countries otherwise nobody would lend us any money

  201. Anton

    Lets see, the typical asian:
    – studies hard in a STEM or marketable field
    – works hard
    – saves a portion of income
    – raises their children to be good citizens

    Let’s get more Muslims!

  202. .

    So your point is Neil that debt cripples countries. Great.

    So you were wrong about Japan. They’re fucked, and so are we if the same is done here.

  203. JC

    So do the Greeks. It’s made possible by tax avoidance on an industrial scale. Why pay tax when Northern Europeans do so on your behalf?

    Greeks have always had a high savings rate – well before entry to the EU.

  204. Neil

    What? Why was I wrong about Japan? I said debt is not as big a problem for japan because they can get their money from local sources and have vast overseas assets to cover the difference

  205. .

    Local sources or not are irrelevant.

    1. Their debt may be impossible to pay off. It may grow until they have a currency and banking collapse.
    2. Their debt can only be paid off by forced savings. The best result is that this does not come to 1.
    3. The level of their debt is so extreme it has permanently lowered growth rates now and into the future even if it can be paid off in a non-catastrophic, non-civil disturbance causing manner.

  206. Crossie

    Its all pretty irrelevant. Trump will end up squashing Australia like a bug.

    Armadillo, if you were in Trump’s shoes wouldn’t you? Here we had our High Commissioner in London trying to set up Trump’s campaign staff in order to help Hillary become president. What’s more, the HC is rich enough to give 25 million dollars to Hillary’s campaign.

    On top of that we have a former prime minister working for the Clinton Foundation while the current Foreign Minister gives Hillary hundreds of millions of taxpayers’ money.

    Let’s not forget the infamous phone call to Malcolm that was leaked to the media and knowing Malcolm I would say he or his office leaked it.

    Yes, we are going to pay for our politicians’ perfidy when we least expect it.

  207. Neil

    Local sources or not are irrelevant.

    Don’t agree. Having the majority of govt debt owed to your own citizens is a much smaller problem than if 60-70% of govt debt is owed to foreigners which is the case for Australia

  208. Tel

    3. The level of their debt is so extreme it has permanently lowered growth rates now and into the future even if it can be paid off in a non-catastrophic, non-civil disturbance causing manner.

    The Japanese are not really into civil unrest, it ain’t their thing. Even while growth rates are declining (and population is going backwards) they continue to put up with it.

    That said, young Japanese simply do not buy government bonds. Gradually their savings rate is diminishing but it’s taking generations for attitudes to change.

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