Bit of an own goal

Something I found on twitter:

My response:

Now as it turns out, I agree with Julian Burnside. But it is only 13c per day …

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65 Responses to Bit of an own goal

  1. stackja

    Processing ALP smuggled people. ABC supported ALP.

  2. davo

    my god, agreeing with him is cause for serious concern and reflection. Perhaps, your position may remain the same, but geez, it’d be worth checking if he thinks the same thing

  3. Up The Workers!

    Hee, hee, hee.

    Those accursed ‘stats’ are as bad as ‘facts’.

    Both are nothing more than vile, biased conservative conspiracies.

    They are always ganging up on the Officially authorised daily dogma, rhetoric and hate-of-the-day of the left, which is why they are banned from use at the A.L.P.B.C. and Fauxfacts.

    Whenever somebody comes out with their latest well-rehearsed, Party-approved daily hate-speech, some conservative ingrate will unleash a ‘fact’ or worse, many facts or some ‘stats’ which knock the wind out of the Party utterance.

    Curses! Foiled Again!

  4. Combine Dave

    Problem solved.

    Shut down both.

    Accept no refugees at the border.

    And deport all ABC journalists to En Zed.

  5. Neil

    Is that $1.08B figure correct? I read somewhere that there are still 20,000 boat people left over from the Rudd/Gillard years costing us $1B/year in community detention on the mainland. These people are in eternal limbo since both sides of politics say they will never be settled in Australia. It would be cheaper to do a one off and let them stay and go on the dole

  6. EvilElvis

    Or just deport them, Neil.

    I think there’s more than one own goal here…

  7. woolfe

    So Neil hopefully you will put up, feed and pay all their relatives that they bring in.

  8. testpattern

    Far more costly than Julian thinks. There are 14,000 refs in Indonesia. UNHCR used to resettle 800 annually but the US and Aust cut quotas so so they could resttle only 322 last year. At this rate it will take another 40 years. Another 40 years of costly OSB, another 40 years of fear mongering and another 40 years of leverage for Jakarta.

    One possible reform for an incoming Shorten and Marles is to adapt the Canadian private sponsorship of refugees program, additional to the State program.

    https://twitter.com/raicindonesia?lang=en

  9. Combine Dave

    Release straight back to Indon.

    Win win.

  10. Neil

    So Neil hopefully you will put up, feed and pay all their relatives that they bring in.

    There are 20,000 in community detention costing is $1B/year. If Burnside is correct the 2,000 on Manus also cost us $1b/year. So that’s $2B/year if Burnside is correct. Nobody is going to take them. I think Dutton got rid of a few hundred to the USA. Doing a one-off by letting them stay and go on the dole would be cheaper. I have no idea what other problems tat would cause but we cannot kept them in detention forever can we?

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Orange lifeboats are a lot cheaper.

  12. Roger

    It is an insane waste of YOUR money

    And yet the electorate supports off shore processing.

    So evidently they don’t consider it a waste of money, particularly in view of what it would cost if we let them in.

  13. Combine Dave

    . It would be cheaper to do a one off and let them stay and go on the dole

    Given how much welfare recipients are entitled to this is obviously untrue.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    If it cost a $100bn to keep that lot out it would be cheap.

  15. woolfe

    I have no idea what other problems tat would cause but we cannot kept them in detention forever can we?

    Yes

  16. BoyfromTottenham

    A billion here, a billion there… The LRET costs retail electricity consumers about $2.5 billion a year, and growing till 2030 iirc. How many more billion dollar a year boondoggles are there out there?

  17. Roger

    It would be cheaper to do a one off and let them stay and go on the dole

    No, it wouldn’t, and soon they would sponsor their relatives to come here, which was the plan all along in many instances in which the family back home pooled their resources to help a son get a foot hold in Australia.

  18. Combine Dave

    woolfe
    #2780778, posted on August 4, 2018 at 5:05 pm
    I have no idea what other problems tat would cause but we cannot kept them in detention forever can we?

    Yes

    Maybe Indonesia or even Europe is on the look out for future scientists and doctors.

  19. Tom

    Libertarians are just aching to open our borders and destroy our nation states — because they’re essentially anarchists. In the current political environment, they’re perfectly aligned with the Stalinist war on civilisation.

    Never trust a libertarian on any matter of morality or national sovereignty. If you do, our civilisation will be gone in a flash and we’ll be back in the primevil slime of 1000-2000 years ago.

  20. Roger

    I have no idea what other problems tat would cause but we cannot kept them in detention forever can we?

    The detention centre was closed last year, Neil.

    Those that remain were moved to accommodation in Lorengau and can move to mainland PNG if they wish to and their security status permits it.

  21. NB

    Why, after a refugee makes it to Indonesia, are they still a refugee? Have they not found the refuge they seek in Indonesia? After that, surely any country hopping they do comes under the banner of economic migrant.

  22. David Brewer

    It’s cruel and expensive, but it works as a deterrent. Would be great if there was something less cruel and less expensive that still worked as a deterrent. But what is it?

    Was in Germany this week. It seemed that practically every domestic story on the news had something to do with the migrant invasion. And I mean the mainstream (left-wing) news. New asylum claims 15,000 in July – higher than June, but less than July last year. Various criminal trials for terrorist offenses etc. Demos for and against laxer immigration. Reactions by politicians to above. And this is still while playing down knock-on effects like schools where they have to teach the kids German before they can start, public pools where they have to segregate the sexes to avoid rapes, attacks on Jews in the street etc. The full consequences of Merkel’s little bit of kindness in 2015 are slowly dawning on the luvvies, but no one knows what to do now.

  23. Neil

    The detention centre was closed last year, Neil.

    There are still 20,000 in community detention on the mainland in eternal limbo costing us $1B/year. Cheaper if they went on the dole

    It’s cruel and expensive, but it works as a deterrent. Would be great if there was something less cruel and less expensive that still worked as a deterrent. But what is it?

    This problem was solved under Howard. Through a process of trial and error Howard worked out how to stop the boats. There were only 6 boat people in detention in 2008 then labor abolished the Pacific Solution and the rest is history. Michael Danby ALP visited Christmas Island detention facility in 2008 and it was empty and he called it a white elephant

  24. EvilElvis

    Would be great if there was something less cruel and less expensive that still worked as a deterrent.

    Please refer to Senator Davids post, could kill two birds with one stone. And, it’s the humane thing to do.

  25. Roger

    There are still 20,000 in community detention on the mainland in eternal limbo costing us $1B/year. Cheaper if they went on the dole

    Last figure I saw was 1534 on Nauru and Manus, 585 in community detention in Australia, as of July 2018.

    Where are you getting the 20 000 figure from, Neil?

  26. H B Bear

    A billion dollars to keep those country shoppers on Manus is well spent. Kruddy’s cave in to the Liars Left and the following 50,000 illegals cost over $10bn. In the words of kd wrong it’s a “save”.

  27. Neil

    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/ReportsandPublications/Documents/statistics/immigration-detention-statistics-31-may-2018.pdf

    Table 2 gives the numbers

    At 31 May 2018, there were 1344 people in immigration detention facilities, including 1070 in immigration detention on the mainland and 274 in immigration detention on Christmas Island. A further 368 people were living in the community after being approved for a residence determination and 17,668 were living in the community after grant of a Bridging Visa E.

    Most boat people are on Bridging Visa E living in community detention costing us $1B/year. Looks like there is a further $1B/year being spent on Manus as well.

    It should be stated that our detention centers were empty in 2008. Then in a burst of morality labor abolished Howards Pacific Solution and the rest is history

  28. Roger

    17,668 were living in the community after grant of a Bridging Visa E.

    Living in the community, not in detention.

  29. Neil

    Yeah like I said. You obviously have trouble with English.

    There are 20,000 in community detention left over from Rudd/Gillard costing us $1B/year. These people are in eternal limbo forever in community detention.

  30. Neil

    I said 20,000 because I did not look at the latest figures. This from December 2017

    At 31 December 2017, there were 1285 people in immigration detention facilities, including 958 in immigration detention on the mainland and 327 in immigration detention on Christmas Island. A further 448 people were living in the community after being approved for a residence determination and 19,590 were living in the community after grant of a Bridging Visa E.

    Those 19,590 people are boat people left over from the Rudd/Gillard disaster. They are in community detention meaning they are in detention but not behind locked gates. They can come and go. Anyway that is my understanding. These people are costing us $1B/year. Looks like the people on Manus are also costing us $1B/year

    In 2008 only 6 I repeat SIX boat people were in detention costing us bugger all. Then Australia voted for the traitorous ALP and the rest is history

  31. Roger

    Yeah like I said. You obviously have trouble with English.

    I do quite well with English thank you, but you obviously have trouble with numbers.

  32. Neil

    No I said there were 20,000 in community detention costing us $1B/year. They are on bridging Visa E. The numbers on Manus are minor compared to the numbers on the mainland. Since I was educating you I thought you might be grateful. Obviously not.

    But I find Burnside $1B/year figure hard to believe for manus. If true we have $1B/year for Manus plus $1B/year for the 20,000 in community detention on the mainland meaning $2B/year for the disaster left over from 2008-2013. It would be cheaper if they were allowed to stay and go on the dole

  33. Spring is coming

    Burnside and his lot should look in the mirror when it comes to costing the Australian community money. They turned illegal immigrant legal defence and appeals process into a taxpayer funded scheme to rival the Public Health spend. Our legal system proved inept. Hence the hair Brained plan to process offshore. Yes it’s a poor plan but it’s a lot better than the alternative of onshore processing.

  34. Combine Dave

    NB
    #2780789, posted on August 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm
    Why, after a refugee makes it to Indonesia, are they still a refugee? Have they not found the refuge they seek in Indonesia? After that, surely any country hopping they do comes under the banner of economic migrant.

    Bingo!

  35. Makka

    There are still 20,000 in community detention on the mainland in eternal limbo costing us $1B/year. Cheaper if they went on the dole

    This has to be one of the most brain dead comments ever posted here.

  36. Neil

    This has to be one of the most brain dead comments ever posted here.

    OK what would you do with the 20,000 in community detention? Nobody wants them otherwise Dutton would have sent them somewhere. At the moment they are costing $1B/year. My comment that it would be cheaper if they went on the dole is true.

  37. Up The Workers!

    Maybe the A.L.P.’s Emma Dogpile could find jobs for the 20,000 as her personal pooper-scoopers?

    Just trying to be helpful!

  38. Combine Dave
    #2780783, posted on August 4, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    Maybe Indonesia or even Europe is on the look out for future scientists and doctors.

    They’re all going to become scientists and doctors, hey, Dave?

    It seems extremely unlikely that many of those “refugees” would become professionals of any sort. Except criminals, perhaps.

    Merkel let in a million or so “scientists and doctors” and a lot of them have been involved in terrorism, rapes and sexual assaults, murders and other crimes. Sounds like a good plan if you don’t let the facts get in the way.

    But there is no evidence – none – that we’re turning away boatloads of doctors and scientists. We’re taking in illiterate, innumerate, unemployables who know no English and expect to be on the public tit – with their aunts, uncles and fourth cousins – for the rest of their lives.

    And that’s assuming they’re in detention for reasons other than their security checks didn’t work out.

    If we have to pay for “family reunions” $1b a year is going to look very cheap.

  39. entropy

    Neil, you have an interesting definition of detention. By your definition every bloke married with kids is in detention.

  40. entropy

    Also, this problem was Labor’s creation. To stop it happening again the country shoppers must never get the reward they seek. Never. It is money well spent.

  41. billie

    Isn’t he the “pedos in speedos” bloke?

    He is forever in my mind that little person ..

    Why he enjoys attention from the entertainment/news industry is obvious, he is one of them.

    Concern for taxpayer’s money doesn’t extend to him expecting the taxayer pay for his attacks against the taxpayers vote though does it.

    What a hide he has, and him with elephants in the corners of every room he inhabits or lurks therein!

  42. BorisG

    Merkel let in a million or so “scientists and doctors” and a lot of them have been involved in terrorism, rapes and sexual assaults, murders and other crimes.

    Last time I looked at numbers, crime rate in Germany was falling.

  43. Mark A

    Neil
    #2781058, posted on August 4, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    This has to be one of the most brain dead comments ever posted here.

    OK what would you do with the 20,000 in community detention? Nobody wants them otherwise Dutton would have sent them somewhere. At the moment they are costing $1B/year. My comment that it would be cheaper if they went on the dole is true.

    I doubt it.
    Additional housing and other welfare entitlements push the price up.

  44. BorisG

    Actually JB is right that spending 600K per person per year is obscene. However if we do what JB wants, we will take them all to Australia, and thus invite tens of thousands if not millions to come, costing a lot more (in total if not per person). The situation is bad but proposal by JB is worse.

    I don’t think comparison with ABC is useful. But I support privatisation of the ABC.

  45. Whalehunt Fun

    Hmmm. $600,000 per year every year.
    Or … how much does one bullet cost?
    I mean the leftfilth say keeping them there is inhumane, so just stop keeping them.
    Works for me.
    I bet after the first execution was posted on youtube, the rest of the welfare-seeking lowlifes would suddenly finance their own way back home.

  46. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2781105, posted on August 5, 2018 at 12:40 am

    Merkel let in a million or so “scientists and doctors” and a lot of them have been involved in terrorism, rapes and sexual assaults, murders and other crimes.

    Last time I looked at numbers, crime rate in Germany was falling.

    Details, Boris, details.
    Give us a breakdown.

  47. BorisG

    Details, Boris, details.
    Give us a breakdown.

    someone who said they were involved in these crimes should provide details. Overall statistics, not individual cases.

  48. Mark A

    BorisG
    #2781110, posted on August 5, 2018 at 12:53 am

    Details, Boris, details.
    Give us a breakdown.

    someone who said they were involved in these crimes should provide details. Overall statistics, not individual cases.

    I thought it was you who claimed rates were falling?
    Your ball to handle the breakdown of the details, not good enough just to say the rates are falling, they may well be overall.

  49. W Hogg

    Now as it turns out, I agree with Julian Burnside.

    No surprises there.

  50. Macspee

    It would be nice to know exactly where all the money goes. How much disappears into the coffers of island politicians? How much is simple waste because public servants don’t know how to run proper tender processes and pay over the odds because it gets the problem off their backs? Why are we supporting corrupt politicians in other countries? Why do “refugees” get better conditions than the locals?

  51. Neil

    I doubt it.
    Additional housing and other welfare entitlements push the price up.

    The 20,000 in community detention are costing $1B/year. That’s $50,000 each. If they were given visas and allowed to stay and start working that would be cheaper than keeping them in eternal limbo. Even if they went on the dole would be cheaper

  52. Texas Jack

    Sovereignty has a price. Those on the right side of the border have a different willingness to pay for it than those on the wrong. If you value your nice comfortable RMIT perch for the long haul you’ll value it more highly than you purport. The cost of open borders is unimaginable. Get over it.

  53. Neil

    The cost of open borders is unimaginable. Get over it.

    I am not arguing for open borders. The ALP believes in that. So we keep the 20,000 in community detention costing $50,000/year each until they die? Right?

  54. Habib

    A hell of a lot more punters agree with offshore detention than with the continuation of the Arthritic Bolshies Collective. That said, I also agree that it’s far too much money and better not stolen in the first place. In both cases. Shut down the ABC and rend it’s bloated carcass and intestinal parasites for saleable lard, and deport all the illegal immigrants costing us a bomb, with immediate deportation at own cost for future chancers.

    Jeebus this shit is easy.

  55. testpattern

    ‘Why, after a refugee makes it to Indonesia, are they still a refugee?’

    They have UNHCR cards that give them refugee as opposed to asylum seeker status. Jakarta doesn’t give them citizenship. UNHCR can’t resettle them. That’s why they remain refugees and not economic migrants. This is not a new issue. After all these years and you lot of nulliuses are just as ignorant as when it started.

    Many of the 14,000 in Indon have used the time to learn English. Many could already speak it. Many are skilled people. Mad not to bring them here.

    The Canadian private sponsorship program helps solve problems in international relations, is humanitarian and saves lotsa money.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/guide-private-sponsorship-refugees-program.html

  56. Oh come on

    So, you believe that bullshit, Pesty? Then you are as credulous as you are smug. And not nearly as clever as you believe yourself to be.

  57. Oh come on

    Mad not to bring them here.

    Yes, bring the entire 14,000 strong tranche here. Then, in a few months it’ll be “mad not to bring” to Australia the 140,000 strong tranche that accumulated in that time. A few months after, it’ll again be “mad not to bring” to Australia the 1.4million that came subsequent to the last mass importation. And so on and so forth.

  58. Neil

    and deport all the illegal immigrants costing us a bomb,

    That is the problem isn’t it? Nobody wants them. Deport then where? I believe the USA has said they will take a few hundred

    That’s why they remain refugees and not economic migrants.

    They have safe haven in Indonesia. If they then try to get to Australia they are economic immigrants

  59. testpattern

    ‘If they then try to get to Australia they are economic immigrants’

    Not those who already have been given refugee status by UNHCR. Migrant smuggling and refugees are different but related issues.

    I love this bloke’s name. Febrian Ruddyard. Rudd and Gillard united at last. Bali Process Nusa Dua 6-7 Aug.

    https://twitter.com/baliprocessrso?lang=en

    Migrant Smuggling in Asia and the Pacific: Current Trends and Challenges Volume II July 2018

    https://www.unodc.org/documents/southeastasiaandpacific//Publications/2018/MiAR_II_July_2018.pdf

  60. Habib

    That is the problem isn’t it? Nobody wants them. Deport then where?

    Their country of origin/citizenship for starters. Anyway, who gives a shit? No-one else does. Why are they our problem? De-ratify the treaty, which is an utterly compromised farce, and mis-used to enable infiltration of the West by sullen hordes of spongers.

    As to testicle, anyone can get reffo status, it’s easier than getting liberal pre-selection. If we accept any, it should only be on the basis of a TPV with zero welfare/Medicare etc, with immediate repatriation whenever the punch-up they often started abates.

  61. Neil

    Their country of origin/citizenship for starters.

    I think that may be the problem Their own countries don’t want them and most probably will not take them back. Anyway that is my understanding

  62. testpattern

    ‘Their own countries don’t want them’

    Rohingyas are Stateless people.

  63. sisypus

    Who is keeping them in detention centres? They are FREE TO RETURN from whence they came at any time.

  64. Jo Smyth

    Keep Labor out and the problem of illegals will go away, completely, just like it did before Rudd and Gillard got elected. Is Burnside not able to figure this out?

  65. Habib

    They are self-detained for starters, they can sod off anytime, and I wish they would. And take their mates. Wether or not their place of origin want them back, if they’re stupid enough to have signed up to the respective UN treaties and charters they’re obliged by same to allow return. This invertebrate uniparty are too pissweak to tell them to get fucked, which is why these no-hopers keep hanging around like a fart in a phonebox, encouraged by virtue-signalling knob swallowers like Burnside.

    As to reffo status, there were millions of “displaced persons” during WW2, and they were offered aid and shelter by the likes of Great Britain, despite the shortages and deprivations they were under. And as soon as possible those same refugees returned home, eager to kill the Hun. These fuckers are military age, and flee a fight while leaving women and children to face life under the Telitubbies and/or IS. Rewarding cowardice is despicable.

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