Monday Forum: August 13, 2018

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  1. Roger

    Mogadishu on the Yarra loses world’s “most livable city” status.

    Even the boffins at The Economist realise there’s a problem down there.

  2. For a second there I wished I was a wingnut, because, I thought of a killer headline for a Cat piece: “The NEG is a POS”.

  3. .

    Reading up on the US Space Force.

    All opposition is highly partisan anti-Trump! nonsense, these hacks would have opposed Billy Mitchell, Spaatz and Hap Arnold, along with the formation of the USAF as a separate service arm.

  4. Lysander

    If an MP sends your school a letter for your daughter who recently got a merit award (she is the State MP for the area) is it wrong? The letter is clearly badged as Labor.

  5. Confused Old Misfit

    Can this NEG atrocity be stopped in the Senate?

  6. Oh come on

    I thought of a killer headline for a Cat piece: “The NEG is a POS”.

    That was absolute garbage, m0nty!!!, you low energy loser.

  7. Dave in Marybrook

    Andrew Hastie- give him a decade in a weighty shadow ministry- PM in the making.
    Discuss.

  8. Dr Faustus

    Highlights of Turnbull’s victory presser:

    “Everything, everything we’re doing is seeking to bring town energy prices. The National Energy Guarantee, of course, addresses one part of the puzzle, you know, the addresses the cost of generation but you’ve got poles and wires, retail costs, green schemes, it’s a complex business.

    “Now what we are seeing already is our policies having the result of bringing down retail prices. We’ve seen big reductions, thanks to our policies in wholesale generation costs and we expect to see minister and we will do more, but … our commitment is to use every single lever available to us, one of which is the NEG, to bring down energy prices.

    “the National Energy Guarantee. It’s been designed by the experts. It has the broadest support of any energy policy, any energy policy that has… In my time in politics and possibly a lot longer than that. So now is the time to provide the certainty and the investment climate that is going to see more generation and lower prices.

    Not sure about “big reductions” in retail prices, but he’s got two things exactly right.

    1) It’s a complex business;
    2) We are in the shit we are in because ‘experts’ have complicated the complex business that used to be handled by the market demanding cheap electricity.

  9. Oh come on

    Lysander, no. But your MP needs to be given the arse if they’re sending out a letter to every kid at schools in their electorate who receives a merit certificate.

  10. Oh dear OCO, do you need the joke explained to you?

  11. Lysander

    Andrew Hastie- give him a decade in a weighty shadow ministry- PM in the making.
    Discuss.

    +1

  12. Dave in Marybrook

    Dammit new page!
    Andrew Hastie.
    Young, Christian, military service, male.
    Does he have what it takes to be PM one day?

  13. Lysander

    Lysander, no. But your MP needs to be given the arse if they’re sending out a letter to every kid at schools in their electorate who receives a merit certificate.

    Every time one of our four kids gets one (which is about 8 or 9 times total a year) we get the letter from her.

    **shudders**

    Surely there’s an issue here about partisan advertising in schools?

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Andrew Hastie- give him a decade in a weighty shadow ministry- PM in the making.
    Discuss.

    After the economic train smash a Shorten Government will reduce the country to, I doubt any Government ready to take the measures required to clean up the shambles would ever be elected. Too many voters on the public teat.

  15. zyconoclast

    Are ‘white people’ jokes racist? Let a fellow white person explain.
    I understand that reading these kinds of jokes can be a jarring experience if you’re not used to being made fun of.

  16. Andrew Hastie- give him a decade in a weighty shadow ministry- PM in the making.
    Discuss.

    Libs out of office for a decade, yes please!

  17. zyconoclast

    Under Trump, the rare act of denaturalizing U.S. citizens on the rise

    … denaturalization — a complex process once primarily reserved for Nazi war criminals and human rights violators — is on the rise under the Trump administration.

    A United States Citizenship and Immigration Services team in Los Angeles has been reviewing more than 2,500 naturalization files for possible denaturalization, focusing on identity fraud and willful misrepresentation. More than 100 cases have been referred to the Department of Justice for possible action.

  18. mizaris

    Sat night drinks at a WA remote area campsite peopled with mostly retirees, some self funded, others not so much. 18 adults who vote were asked why they voted the way they voted. 71 year old ex pom votes labor because his father was a yorkshire coalminer. Others generally expressed a view that they pretty much voted the way their parents had voted. These people all considered themselves to be fairly cognisant of current affairs and events, but didn’t know what the NEG was, were not overly aware of the african gang problem that doesn’t exist in Vic, had not heard of antifa, Lauren Southern, Tommy Robinson, or anything to do with the half million new voteherd imported last year. And most expressed surprise, and some cynicism, when these topics were explained in very layman’s terms, and from a conservative angle. WTF !!!!!!! SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE THIS COUNTRY UP!!!!! Corey’s mob are just WAY TOO QUIET.

  19. Chris

    “The NEG is a POS”.

    As Dad jokes go, that’s a stinker. Full credit monts!

  20. zyconoclast

    India Strips 4 Million of Citizenship, Will Deport Them to “Protect Ethnic Assam” People

    The Indian government has stripped at least four million people—mainly “refugees” from Bangladesh who entered the country in 1971—of their right to Indian citizenship in the state of Assam and has started deporting them, all to “protect the ethnic Assamese” people.

  21. Tel

    Judge T.S. Ellis III has said he will instruct jurors that they cannot find Manafort guilty for omissions made by his company since the indictment doesn’t name his entities but only him as an individual.

    That sounds a lot like a dodgy technicality to me, doubly so for the judge to be “instructing” the jurors as to what verdict they are allowed to come to… but having said that, the FBI have been such clowns throughout this investigation I’m hardly surprised at this stage.

  22. Dr Faustus

    Turnbull reminiscing:

    Remember it was my action as prime minister that resulted in the gas shortage on the east coast being resolved and that is the big factors that brought down the cost of wholesale generation.

    Fact Check: There was no gas shortage on the east coast. The issue was pricing.
    The average Wallumbilla Hub price was about $9.50/GJ last week: in August 2017 the average price was about $6.97/GJ.

  23. cohenite

    So barnarby rolled over on the NEG; fancy that. What a loser

  24. harrys on the boat

    M0nty’s latest saviour for the Democrats, Ilhan Omar, married her own brother – despite being already married – and only divorced him so she could run for congress.

    You can’t make this shit up. The left are mentally ill.

  25. Oh come on

    I don’t think the politics side of Brexit is looking too bad at all, JC. It’s looking increasingly like a no-deal Brexit is going to happen. This will cause temporary pain in the UK but will ultimately be for the best. It’s going to cause a bunch more headaches in Brussels. The UK can keep its 40 billion quid while the EU budget will sink deeply into the red. The EU sells 100 billion pounds a year more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU. That number will drop precipitously when all the EU-mandated tariffs are done away with by the UK, and non-EU food, clothing and footwear and cars suddenly become much more competitively priced. EU producers and manufacturers will be squealing as their best customer takes their money elsewhere. Oh, and the border issue between the Irish Republic and Ulster – that one’s a doozy. The UK has already said it won’t be erecting a ‘hard border’ between the two sides. Ireland doesn’t want one, either. The EU is threatening to erect one in the case of no deal. Oh really, and who’s going to do that, then? The Poms definitely aren’t, and the Irish are resolutely against one. Unstoppable force, meet immovable object.

    Brexit is coming along very nicely, and the more time that’s spent prevaricating, the more unlikely it becomes that an arrangement will be agreed upon by both sides before the UK withdraws from the EU early next year. We’re fast approaching the point where there simply isn’t enough time to do a deal.

  26. calli

    Shorter Turnstyle:

    Don’t let Labor ruin Australia! Let us do it instead!

  27. Robber Baron

    Tesla will become a hole in the sand into which the Saudis pour money.

    Yes, yes he will.

    Musk found an ocean of “dumb money,” specifically leftist Government money, so when that ran out thanks to Trump, he went to the second dumbest money in the world…Arab oil money.

  28. Rae

    Hey Rae, how about a link to the documents given in evidence that prove Monsanto knew Roundup causes cancer?

    Lol. I already posted this, more than once:

    Brent Wisner, a lawyer for Mr. Johnson, said in a statement that jurors had seen for the first time internal company documents “proving that Monsanto has known for decades that glyphosate and specifically Roundup could cause cancer.”

    For the actual documents you could seek standing in the California Court. But I think you’re a bit late for discovery.

  29. Oh come on

    Oh dear OCO, do you need the joke explained to you?

    You are the joke, m0nts, you bedwetting lunatic.

    Go back to raving about Trump’s treason. That humour thing just doesn’t work for you.

  30. Makka

    https://www.sott.net/article/360454-Antifa-flag-comes-directly-from-German-Communist-Party-in-1932

    Antifa flag comes directly from German Communist Party in 1932

    Yes, mOron supports the commos.

    It’s only a minor thing but looks like Manafort will walk, mUnty. Are you still sure Mueller has it in him to Get Trump? I mean you have invested so much of your credibility here on this fantasy. Your reputation might suffer.

  31. zyconoclast

    The ABC has axed Tonightly with Tom Ballard.

    The show airs four days a week on ABC 2 and has struggled with low ratings throughout its two seasons. The show’s low ratings are often the butt of host Tom Ballard’s jokes.

  32. candy

    Barnaby wants back at Dep PM job. A bet each way.

  33. Brexit is coming along very nicely

    I’m sure the British people will enjoy the medicine stockpiling, airport and highway gridlock, stock market crash and food rationing, just like auld times.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Full credit monts!

    Sorry no. M0nty is just retreading an old tyre.

  35. pete m

    Mueller “SC” is after Trumpkins for colluding with Russians. He knows the first case is going to send out alarm bells to the conspirators. He wants to show everyone he’s on the ball, running hard and getting to the big end of town.

    So he files against Russian nobodies and when some turn up he’s melting and backtracking.

    He then turns on Manafort, on tax evasion, such low hanging fruit in DC and New York you could throw a baseball into a crowd and find a perp for this. Then he royally screws the whole charge and trial and has to resort to almost rendition tactics on the accused who still won’t break.

    And m0nty reckons some really good charges are coming – any day now.

    From this clown?

    lol

    TEL:

    A Judge can direct a jury where the evidence is clear on how to deliver their verdict on a charge – either way. It happens quite regularly. Sometimes defence can seek to have a charge directly dismissed by the judge, but where it is a long way into trial this is another way of dealing with charges with no hope of success. It does not alter the jury status overall and having to determine remaining charges.

  36. Nice one Bruce, didn’t see that at the time, credit to you though.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What will happen when the ANC takes my farm
    By Spurgeon Flemindton

    And the final result will be the same as in Rhodesia – the women till the ground with hoes, in the same way their great grandmothers did, while the men sit in the shade, swilling beer, and telling each other how brave they were in the struggle against apartheid. About seven o’clock there will be a massive free for all, after which winners and losers pass out. Rinse, and repeat next day.

  38. Des Deskperson

    ‘Lysander, no. But your MP needs to be given the arse if they’re sending out a letter to every kid at schools in their electorate who receives a merit certificate.’

    Lysander, your MP gets at least $78,000 per annum electoral allowance to spend on this sort of stuff. From the WA Salaries and Allowances Tribunal website:

    “Base Electorate Allowance

    (1) In addition to the base remuneration specified in Part 2, a Member shall be paid a Base Electorate Allowance of $78,000 per annum.

    (2) It is intended that this Allowance will be used for expenses incurred to assist with serving the electorate, including:

    (a) information and communication technology, including mobile phone use, newsletters and internet publications;

    (b) awards and support for community groups or individuals;

    (c) hospitality and entertainment associated with a Member’s official business;

    (d) advertising, other than for the purposes of campaigning, electioneering or political party promotion;

    (e) safety equipment for motor vehicles

    (f) costs associated with Electoral Management Systems; and

    (g) stationery and printing.

    That can pay for a lot of letters to merit certificate alumni. Incidentally, the average yearly full time wage in WA is $88,327.

    So long as it is only ‘serving the electorate’ and not openly advocating politics, then this sort of stuff is normally regarded as a legitimate charge on the taxpayer.

  39. Spurgeon Flemindton

    Like I said, the Dutch are a prime example of the perils of marrying cousins.

  40. zyconoclast

    Firms in Brexit ‘supply shock’ as EU workers stay away

    A report finds more than half of firms have raised starting salaries to recruit staff and put up wages to retain existing workers.

  41. Oh come on

    I’m sure the British people will enjoy the medicine stockpiling, airport and highway gridlock, stock market crash and food rationing, just like auld times.

    Project Fear lives on, despite its previous doom and gloom prognostications in the runup to the Brexit vote being utterly wrong.

  42. stackja

    H B Bear
    #2788513, posted on August 14, 2018 at 11:20 am

    ABC calls time on Tonightly with Tom Ballard
    Sydney Confidential, The Daily Telegraph
    36 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    THE ABC has called time on Tonightly with Tom Ballard days after the show as cleared by the industry watchdog cleared the show over a controversial skit in which a conservative politician was called a “c***” on air.”

    The public broadcaster made the announcement quietly this morning but gave little explanation for the move.

    “It is now time for a fresh approach,” the statement read. “The ABC will continue to develop innovative content on broadcast TV and digital services. Attracting younger audiences requires bold approaches and we continually experiment with new content and new formats particularly on digital platforms,” the ABC said in a statement. We remain committed to exploring and developing projects that connect with different demographics.”

    Tonightly first aired in December last year, billed as a comedy entertainment show that pushed boundaries from the offset.

  43. Judith Sloan

    Barnaby is a Nat. He did not attend the meeting of the Libs. Duh.

  44. Helen

    So Turnball wins. Abbott rolled? Or were other deals done?

  45. stackja

    Number of ‘idiots’ caught train surfing explodes
    ROSE BRENNAN, The Daily Telegraph
    August 14, 2018 12:01pm
    Subscriber only

    TRAIN SURFING across the state’s rail network has exploded with the number of “idiotic” people caught on CCTV riding on the outside of trains more than doubling in a year.

    Transport Minister Andrew Constance has issued a blunt warning to train surfers, promising their dangerous escapades would be captured by the 10,000 CCTV cameras across the rail network and they would be tracked down by police and fined up to $5,500.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m sure the British people will enjoy the medicine stockpiling, airport and highway gridlock, stock market crash and food rationing, just like auld times.

    LOL, M0nty has been sucked in by Project Fear.
    Believing your own propaganda is the first sign of insanity M0nty.

  47. Lysander

    Thanks Des; I think it is legitimately serving her own purposes as the local MP and she can do that; the bit I object to is the party badging at the top of the letter. Why can’t Custard send one to them from the OZ Conservatives as a candidate for the area?

  48. 2dogs

    The stockpiling might be prudential, but what is the reason for

    airport and highway gridlock

    ?

    Why would people suddenly feel the need to travel more in the immediate aftermath of Brexit?

    Regarding the stockmarket crash, people have known Brexit is coming since June 2016. Any impact is surely priced in by now.

  49. v_maet

    Helen @ 1:44pm.

    Abbott opposed as did Hastie.
    If they cross the floor when it goes to a vote in the house then it will die.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What will happen when the ANC takes my farm
    By Spurgeon Flemindton

    I like his suggestion that the masses will turn on the African National Congress.

  51. cohenite

    Barnaby is a Nat. He did not attend the meeting of the Libs. Duh.

    Ah, so it wasn’t a combined party meeting? If that’s the case I take it back.

  52. Oh come on

    No deal = 40 billion pounds saved, steep price reductions on a swathe of non-EU goods that are suddenly not subject to EU tariffs. There will be some structural adjustments of course, but the UK will commence trading relations with the rest of the world on WTO terms, which are a lot more favourable to the British consumer than the EU common market tariff regime.

    And the EU will keenly miss British participation in both the common market and the EU project.

  53. stackja

    Abbott takes aim at Turnbull over energy
    Australian Associated Press
    10 minutes ago

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott says the explanation given about how the National Energy Guarantee will bring down prices is “merchant bankers’ gobbledegook”.

    Mr Abbott said in a statement after a coalition partyroom meeting on Tuesday there were at least four government MPs who could cross the floor on legislation and at least a dozen who have “serious concerns” about the policy proposed by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull – a former merchant banker.

    “Unfortunately, most explanations of how the NEG (as it stands without price targets) might theoretically get prices down sound like merchant bankers’ gobbledegook,” he said.

  54. Chris

    And the final result will be the same as in Rhodesia

    In the Zimbabwean Communal Lands at the height of the boom in 1997, there was nothing going on. The empty grassland rolled for miles, very few trees (can’t think why), cropped only by hand, in low-lying intermittent waterways.

    In the Commercial Farming sector after the acquisitions of the early 2000s the farms ended up owned by ‘the chefs’, inner circle people like Grace Mugabe. The standing crops sold, the farms passed to weeds and movable assets sold off. The workforces were driven out because although they were black, they were not part of the ex-village hierarchy that defines the Shona power structure; many were the targets of the ‘Drive Out Trash’ campaign to get the potential opposition voters out of the cities.

  55. Dr Faustus

    And the final result will be the same as in Rhodesia – the women till the ground with hoes, in the same way their great grandmothers did, while the men sit in the shade, swilling beer…

    As happened in with the ‘nationalisation’ programs in Kenya, Tanzania, Ghana, Uganda and Zambia.
    You get to eat meat until the herds are gone – and then whatever mealies the women can grow.

  56. Chris

    missed a comma – the land is cropped, not the startlingly few trees.

  57. Top Ender

    TRAIN SURFING across the state’s rail network has exploded with the number of “idiotic” people caught on CCTV riding on the outside of trains more than doubling in a year.

    Transport Minister Andrew Constance has issued a blunt warning to train surfers, promising their dangerous escapades would be captured by the 10,000 CCTV cameras across the rail network and they would be tracked down by police and fined up to $5,500.

    I bet he doesn’t.

    Some enterprising journalist should write this down for a checkup in a year to see how many are fined.

    Some good pix of the brainless idiots determined not to pass on their genes at the link.

    Just think of it as evolution in action.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    So Turnball wins. Abbott rolled? Or were other deals done?

    Possibly. This article was quietly on the Oz website this morning:

    Delta Electricity eyes coal plant deal

    One of Australias leading energy companies has flagged plans to enter a partnership with specialised Japanese or Chinese developers to build a clean-coal …

    That’s all I can get from the search engines. But if they are timidly coming forward now it suggests they’ve sussed out the Lib hierarchy. Turnbull wouldn’t want to hype this of course, because Gaia.

  59. John Constantine

    Swaggies in groundsheets to central heating to Swaggies in groundsheets in three generations.

    We must have heads on pikes over this.

  60. stackja

    Tony Abbott
    Verified account
    @TonyAbbottMHR

    linky

    37 minutes ago
    I’m not going to release my own comments to the party room, because they were along the lines of my remarks to media on the way into the parliament, but the rampant hostile briefing of journalists while the meeting was underway does require a response.

    Statement linky

  61. Dr Faustus

    Barnaby is a Nat. He did not attend the meeting of the Libs. Duh.

    The NEG meeting today was the Coalition joint party room.
    Perhaps Bananaby was doing a book-signing.

  62. stackja

    Dr Faustus
    #2788672, posted on August 14, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    Read TA statement.

  63. max

    Abbott last night on 7.30 with his usual stop-start, intermittent delivery made good points about the serious consequences of the NEG scheme and the Paris agreement.

    A pity he can’t iron out that hopeless speaking manner.

  64. he stockpiling might be prudential, but what is the reason for

    airport and highway gridlock

    ?

    Why would people suddenly feel the need to travel more in the immediate aftermath of Brexit?

    Not necessarily people – the problem will be the lorries and air freight. Customs would get a lot slower in a hard Brexit.

  65. merchant b[w]ankers’ gobbledegook

    Thems fightin’ words.

  66. Barnaby is a Nat. He did not attend the meeting of the Libs. Duh.

    The NEG meeting today was the Coalition joint party room.

    😀

  67. Dr Faustus

    Read TA statement.

    I agree with him: prime “merchant bankers’ gobbledegook”.
    But it was still a Coalition meeting.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    “Unfortunately, most explanations of how the NEG (as it stands without price targets) might theoretically get prices down sound like merchant bankers’ gobbledegook,” he said.

    Snork!
    Almost a Trumpian standard sideswipe.
    Keep growing those balls back Tones.

  69. Natural Instinct

    Leigh Lowe#2788571, posted on August 14, 2018 at 12:35 pm
    .

    [Barnaby] Joyce is frank about his “self-implosion”. He spiralled into depression, took to booze and pursued women.

    That’s depression?
    .
    .
    Reminds me of George Best’s classic:

    “I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.”

  70. Old School Conservative

    If only Abbott and Hastie voted against the NEG, why didn’t Kelly (another outspoken opponent)?

  71. I liked the bit about the solidarity of lemmings.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    CFMEU cops $577,000 in penalties for breaches of Fair Work Act

    Ewin Hannan
    Workplace Editor
    @EwinHannan
    56 minutes ago August 14, 2018

    The construction union has been hit with $577,000 in penalties for breaches of the Fair Work Act, after a Federal Court judge warned the union could not expect to remain registered in its current form given its inability to rein in “aberrant behaviour”.

    In a scathing judgment today, Federal Court judge Richard Tracey imposed $271,500 in penalties on the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union and two officials, finding the union’s noncompliance with the law as “an anathema’’ in a democratic society.

    In a separate decision, by a 2-1 majority, the full Federal Court upheld $306,000 in penalties previously imposed on the union, with Justice John Logan comparing the CFMEU’s “systemic unlawful conduct” with the unlawful behaviour of the deregistered Builders Labourers Federation.

    From the Oz.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Not necessarily people – the problem will be the lorries and air freight. Customs would get a lot slower in a hard Brexit.

    mUnter, by all means eat JC’s free steaks but please don’t wash it down with his Trader’s Kool-Aid.

  74. Natural Instinct

    finding the union’s noncompliance with the law as “an anathema’’ in a democratic society.

    Does anyone check that they pay the fines?

  75. Does anyone check that they pay the fines?

    No point.
    Tits will throw them a lazy mill or two after he ascends to the throne.

  76. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Joyce and Kelly’s cowardice can easily be explained: both think they can be frontbenchers

  77. The night can previously known as the Liberal party ditched the Trumble’s ETS after heavy lobbying and objections by the party base.
    The base doesn’t exist anymore.
    Welcome to the NEG.

  78. stackja

    Tony Abbott
    1 hr ·
    I’m not going to release my own comments to the party room, because they were along the lines of my remarks to media on the way into the parliament, but the rampant hostile briefing of journalists while the meeting was underway does require a response.

    Leaking and briefing seem to have become the norm but I’d prefer to say what I think on the record and under my own name.

    Yes, as the PM said at its close, there was party room support for the minister’s position. Much of it though, was of the “yes…but” variety: congratulating him for the work he’d done in difficult circumstances and saying that the NEG was the best way through a bad situation; but most then added that what really mattered was actually getting prices down – not just talking about modelling – and actually getting more despatchable power into the system via ACCC recommendation 4.

    Unfortunately, most explanations of how the NEG (as it stands without price targets) might theoretically get prices down sound like merchant bankers’ gobbledigook.

    It was a real pity that the meeting broke up before the chairman of the backbench committee, Craig Kelly, was able to finish his contribution.

    Yes, there were lots of pleas for unity but as one MP said, we’ve got to be loyal to our electorates and to party members too, and not show the “unity of lemmings”.

    Yes, there was lots of regard for the “experts” and for “business leaders” but as one MP said “I’m not here for the technocrats”.

    I heard at least four lower house MPs formally reserve their position on the legislation and at least a dozen express serious concerns about the NEG or about turning the non-binding Paris targets into law with massive penalties attached.

    This is the big question that the party room didn’t really grapple with: when the big emitters are not meeting Paris, why should we? Especially, as even the Chief Scientist said, the difference meeting our target would make is “virtually nothing”.

  79. C.L.

    Barnaby’s daughters and parents must really appreciate his account of being a 50-something drunk who destroyed his family and spent his nights chasing and/or rooting boilers in Canberra.

    All for a quid – the book, I mean.
    I never thought I’d live to say that Tony Windsor was right.

  80. Des Deskperson

    “Thanks Des; I think it is legitimately serving her own purposes as the local MP and she can do that; the bit I object to is the party badging at the top of the letter. Why can’t Custard send one to them from the OZ Conservatives as a candidate for the area?”

    Lysander, it’s a fine line, but I would object to it too, on a personal letter to a school kiddie.

    On the other hand, if Custard were to be elected, he would be entitled to exactly the same allowance for the same purposes and under the same conditions, so he should be perfectly able to put an AC badge on a letter to a merit awardee kiddie.

  81. Chris

    Editorial at the Paywallian:

    It was pork-barrel spending that occasioned the remark by the great American writer HL Mencken that “government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods”. Maybe that’s too bleak a judgment, but the Stronger Communities caper inherited from the Abbott government is pure pork, from its snout in the taxpayers’ trough through to its squealing tale of self-justification.

    As we reported yesterday, this $22.5 million pot is open to all 150 federal MPs, who can dole out as much as $150,000 a year for a series of parish pump projects. Consider, for example, the heroic community-strengthening enterprise to procure a $3098 potato peeler for Meals on Wheels in the marginal seat of Capricornia.

    So… are subsidies to Muslim organisations haram?

  82. stackja

    Dr Faustus
    #2788678, posted on August 14, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    ABC says, you believe?

  83. C.L.

    When you think about it, The Neg marks the official advent – long portended – of a Uniparty in this country. There is no longer a ‘non-Labor’ party in Australia.

  84. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I never thought I’d live to say that Tony Windsor was right.

    New England has appalling judgment.

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That face you make when you arrive at the Bakery before Monty and it is still full of Donuts.

    Stimpy wins the prize for the day – a signed picture of Lee Rhiannon, naked.

  86. Lysander

    Fair enough Dez; then what about Senators? Geeze! They’ve got State-wide remit to do this sort of guff!!!

    But cost aside, and just talking about the principle: Couldn’t a candidate use their own funds to do it?

  87. max

    The sounds of hilarity, crowing and cat-calling in the House of Reps are an utter disgrace when one thinks of the catastrophic hardships coming Australia’s way under the NEG and the Paris agreement.

  88. Lysander

    Haha the term “uniparty” is listed at the Conservative Wiki:

    https://www.conservapedia.com/Uniparty

    The “Uniparty” is a term that describes the globalist establishment’s control over politics and policy to the extent that every or nearly every major political party or politician are controlled by them and, thus, have far more in common than different, policy-wise.

    An example is the general movement by both the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States to continually expand the size and reach of the Federal government into every area of one’s life, the only significant difference being whether the apparatus should be run by unionized government employees (the Democrat party approach) or private-sector contractors (the Republican party approach).

  89. A Lurker

    Abbott opposed as did Hastie.
    If they cross the floor when it goes to a vote in the house then it will die.

    It’s clear that there are now only two conservatives left in the Coalition and both need to immediately join Australian Conservatives because the Liberals are beyond redemption.
    Let the Turnbull Coalition Team now die and decompose in a ditch.

  90. A Lurker

    Barnaby wants back at Dep PM job. A bet each way.

    The proliferation of ugly wind turbines across the hills of the New England Tablelands clearly indicates that Barnaby had moved into the Green-Left camp.

  91. Helen

    Stimpy wins the prize for the day – a signed picture of Lee Rhiannon, naked.

    In the Greer pose.

  92. Helen

    Kelly did not get a chance to speak, and oppose. The meeting broke up before he could do so accdg to Abbott.

  93. Makka

    Turnbull bought the Libs at the last election. The result of the NEG vote was never in doubt.

  94. Tintarella di Luna

    Let the Turnbull Coalition Team now die and decompose in a ditch.

    A Lurker — it’s the Turnbull Treason Team — I want those treacherous snakes to be annihilated, totally annihilated – and if there is no alternative I would vote Labor to see it happen.

  95. Dr Faustus

    ABC says, you believe?

    In this instance. Yup.

    Former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce said he would support the policy but will move an amendment to force the divestment of AGL Energy’s generator assets in NSW. This is unlikely to succeed.

    All talk and trousers.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘I’ve received a lot of hatred’: Meet the Australian soldier, 36, who swapped the battlefield to live with his wife, fiancée AND two ‘sex slaves’ in a country town (In New England.)

    James Davis, 36, lives with his wife, fiancee, and submissive sex slave girlfriends
    The former army veteran’s lifestyle is to be the subject of new five-part TV series
    Davis, who gave himself the title of ‘patriarchal overlord’, has regular sex parties
    His home in a rural town contains a sex dungeon, cage and bondage equipment

    You think Barnaby Joyce is bonkers?

  97. stackja

    Dr Faustus
    #2788714, posted on August 14, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Still ABC report.

  98. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2788690, posted on August 14, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Ultra Rare Photo of Dr BeauGan, Colorized, 2018.

    Outed.

  99. Zyconoclast

    Abbott last night on 7.30 with his usual stop-start, intermittent delivery made good points about the serious consequences of the NEG scheme and the Paris agreement.

    A pity he can’t iron out that hopeless speaking manner

    He could fix his speaking problem but instead of spending 6 months with a speech coach, he wastes his time rebuilding soon to be redamaged houses and acting as truant officer to low IQ delinquents in the NT.

    Abbott is a dud.
    His only use is as a mild annoyance to Maocolm.

  100. Dr Faustus

    If they cross the floor when it goes to a vote in the house then it will die.

    Before anything gets to the floor, it has to be agreed by COAG.
    Given the general bastardry and the off-planet ALP renewable targets in Victoria and Queensland this seems deeply unlikely.

    The next stage of this slo-mo train wreck plays out tonight with the post-victory COAG teleconference.

  101. cohenite

    If only Abbott and Hastie voted against the NEG, why didn’t Kelly (another outspoken opponent)?

    And Christiansen, and Barnaby?

  102. C.L.

    Abbott speaks just fine. His um-ing and ah-ing is caused by quality-controlling every thought to make sure he’s just enough an annoyance to Turnbull while not being too much the ‘right-wing’ meanie.

  103. BrettW

    Zulu,
    If he makes the fiancé a wife without dumping No 1 wouldn’t that be bigamy ? Or perhaps he could convert to the religion of peace and gets allowances for all 4 women (or two women and two men who knows).

    Can’t wait to see the TV series. NOT.

    Good word by the Judges regarding CFMEU thugs.

  104. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    James Davis, 36, lives with his wife, fiancee, and submissive sex slave girlfriends
    The former army veteran’s lifestyle is to be the subject of new five-part TV series
    Davis, who gave himself the title of ‘patriarchal overlord’, has regular sex parties
    His home in a rural town contains a sex dungeon, cage and bondage equipment

    That’s one way of dealing with PTSD.

    And considering he has a head like a fist, his sex puppets ain’t bad.

  105. Abbott speaks just fine. His um-ing and ah-ing is caused by quality-controlling every thought to make sure he’s just enough an annoyance to Turnbull while not being too much the ‘right-wing’ meanie.

  106. Speedbox

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO WAKE THIS COUNTRY UP!!!!!

    Nope, not going to happen. Australians are extraordinarily apathetic to national politics and the damage wrought. Don’t know and don’t rally care. “Nothing I can do about it” is the usual refrain. (Apart from write letters, email, telephone, vote accordingly, join like-minded groups, attend rallys…..)

    Thus, they deserve everything that is going to happen to them. Unfortunately, by the time the majority wake up to the reality, it will be far too late. “Oh well, nothing I can do about it now….”

  107. .

    montell autised his way out of noticing C.L.s’ snark?

    Remarkable.

    Trump ain’t the flame monty. He’s dead, buried and cremated.

  108. Zyconoclast

    Melbourne burglar told police his DNA got to crime scene ‘by magic’, court hears

    Police also found a wig, a knife and a torch in a bag at his home, which Miao said were for Halloween.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/melbourne-thief-told-police-dna-got-to-crime-scene-by-magic/10118688

  109. Dr Faustus

    Big questions loom over Tesla deal after Musk reveals Saudi link

    [When]…he initially dropped his bombshell in an August 7 tweet, Musk stated he had “funding secured” to buy Tesla stock at $420 per share — 23 per cent above its August 6 closing price.

    It now appears as if financing for the deal is far from locked up, although Musk wrote on Monday that he was encouraged to pursue the buyout in a July 31 meeting with the managing director of Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund.

    Discussions have continued this month, Musk wrote, while adding the caveat that the deal remained “subject to financial and other due diligence and their internal review process for obtaining approvals”.

    After reading Musk’s Monday post, former SEC commissioner Joseph Grundfest concluded the chances of regulators taking action against Musk are now “quite high”.

    The Saudi PIF will be rubbing its hands.
    It’s not every day you have the World’s Smartest Man by the balls.

  110. H B Bear

    COAG is a key weakness in Australia’s dysfunctional Federation. It reduces policy to lowest common denominator outcomes and then compulsorily applies it nationwide, often with no effective means of modification with every State potentially able to veto it.

    If State alignment is required between States it should be done on a bilateral State to State basis with no involvement by the Commonwealth at all.

  111. H B Bear

    If the SEC doesn’t nail perpetual bullsh1tter Musk to the wall over that Tweet they might as well pack up and go home.

  112. candy

    I think Mr and Mrs Turnbull will be well pleased today. They most likely feel they have ridiculed Tony Abbott by the success of the NEG, getting back at him for 2009 ow whenever it was MT made a fool of himself over carbon pricing.He’s basically got what he always wanted, as he totally believes in climate change, carbon pricing market, green schemes and so on. Perhaps personally he stands to gain.

    He will mention climate change more and more now, and give money for stuff.

  113. Myrddin Seren

    The Car-B-Qers in Sweden seem well-organised and with a penchant for black clothes usually displayed by by the Black Bloc ( natch ).

  114. Makka

    No surprises here. The Dem stormtroopers model themselves after Germany’s 30’s Commos, their propaganda arm -the MSM – works 24/7 at brainwashing the proles, borders are an obstacle to the Dems Latino voteherds , their leaders are Commo agents, etc.

    Forward to glory, Comrades!

    According to a Gallup poll released Monday, more Democrats view socialism positively than they do capitalism – a development that comes amid the popularity of Democratic socialist candidates in the midterm elections.

    Fifty-seven percent of Democrats polled by Gallup have a favorable view of socialism, while just 47 percent of Democrats in the poll have positive feelings about capitalism.

  115. cohenite

    Turdball must have something over the other dickheads. But then maybe it’s just political ivory-towerism; they could not give a rats about the punters. I bet turdball and his hen-pecker have never seen an electricity bill.

  116. Tony’s white anting and NEGative views will surely be to blame for the obliteration of the Trumble Treason Team at the next election.

    In doubt? Ask Lucy.

  117. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Corbyn being engulfed by the wreath-laying scandal – Daily Mail running around six stories on it….

    Allastair, Sydney, Australia, about 6 hours ago

    A good description of Corbyn that I came across on Twitter yesterday … he was described as: ¿ .. a man with the air of a befuddled geography teacher who¿s been put in charge of the rugby team¿

  118. candy

    James Davis, 36, lives with his wife, fiancee, and submissive sex slave girlfriends
    The former army veteran’s lifestyle is to be the subject of new five-part TV series

    This story seems hard to believe. They set themselves up for a lot of trouble in the community and a smaller one like Armidale , and how embarrassing for the girls’ parents. Why would they do that?

  119. testpattern

    ‘Spectacular Lego creations connect young and old at annual Canberra charity event’

    Peter Dutton won the Ghoul’s Exhibition Award for his Lego concentration camp! Amazing detail, man obviously loves his hobby. I mean work. Hobby and work. Love.

    http://raster.art.pl/galeria/artysci/libera/lego/XL_libera_lego_01.JPG

  120. jupes

    From Brendan Nelson way back on the last page:

    “It (the VC) is rarely ­awarded because at every single step of the process, from eyewitness ­accounts to the myriad ­layers in the military chain of command, every single person ­involved rigorously interrogates the factual basis of the recommendation to award ‘the Cross’,’’ he said.

    Here’s a perfect example of why I hate lawyers. Why the fuck should they have anything to do with who is awarded a gong on the battlefield? What do they know about it?

    It’s also a perfect example of why I hate senior officers in the Army. They have allowed lawyers to insert themselves into every aspect of military decision making, including the approval of mission plans.

    And lastly, while I admire Nelson for sticking up for Ben Roberts-Smith, he still gives me the shits for just accepting that lawyers can add legitimacy to a process. No Brendan, they are as clueless as any other civilian.

    Lawyers exist to make work for themselves, and in that you have to admire their success.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peter Dutton won the Ghoul’s Exhibition Award for his Lego concentration camp! Amazing detail, man obviously loves his hobby. I mean work. Hobby and work. Love.

    Pest Tattern, offering new dimensions to the word “fuckwit” on a regular basis.

  122. C.L.

    James Davis, 36, lives with his wife, fiancee, and submissive sex slave girlfriends

    We’ve all been there.

    But seriously … the video at that DM article also shows him french-pashing a bloke and dancing with four nude men. I’m not sure what outfit this bloke served in but I’m guessing it was regular Army.

  123. Snoopy

    Melbourne burglar told police his DNA got to crime scene ‘by magic’, court hears

    Police also found a wig, a knife and a torch in a bag at his home, which Miao said were for Halloween.

    He has to be a cat burglar, right?

  124. testpattern

    ‘Are ‘white people’ jokes racist’

    [email protected]

    His just popped back for a quick seance. Why can’t we just settle this race thing over a round of squatter the board game like adult cartoonists? Loser gets invaded dispossessed raped chained jailed enslaved shot genocided and mocked by racist cartoonists. That’ll teach them for demanding their country back!

  125. Baldrick

    What does it say about the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals when even Adam Bandt makes sense:

    Adam Bandt ✔ @AdamBandt
    BREAKING: Gov has just released under Senate order their ‘full’ modelling behind the NEG & its wild claims about $550/yr power bill cuts.
    It’s a single Excel spreadsheet. That’s it.
    The NEG is a toxic farce and must be rejected.

  126. Bruce in WA

    Jupes … “lawyers” or “layers”??

  127. Speedbox

    Tesla is a polished turd and Musk is Polisher-in-Chief.

  128. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2788727, posted on August 14, 2018 at 3:01 pm
    Just imagine being this much of an Atheist.
    F$cking Hell man.

    Someone has airbrushed out the two bikini-clad blondes who were with me in that picture, stimpo. Was it you?

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m not sure what outfit this bloke served in but I’m guessing it was regular Army.

    Sure it wasn’t the Navy?

  130. C.L.

    Melbourne burglar told police his DNA got to crime scene ‘by magic’, court hears

    That’s also how ‘victims’ were found for the Pell trial.

  131. Hydra

    LOL

    I back Bandt on this also.

  132. C.L.

    Zulu, the video briefly shows a framed photo of some ADF personnel in desert camo draped over an armoured vehicle. So not the Navy, no. Maybe they’re all cooks or something posing for a trophy pic.

  133. Whalehunt fun

    Fortunately non of that happened in Australia after white people arrived. However it was the daily process for the tribes on tribes wars that raged here for 60000 years beforehand. thank God whire people put a stop to the genocide and rape ans invasions. Every aborigine should kiss the feet of white colonizsts every day from 1770 till 1901.

  134. Whalehunt fun

    Right on Baldrick. Right totally on.

  135. jupes

    Jupes … “lawyers” or “layers”??

    Oh dear, I fired up a bit early on that one.

    Never mind, a good anti-lawyer rant is a way to start today’s blogging.

  136. Top Ender

    Bill Shorten has been caught on camera in a visit to a drought-­affected family in Queensland reminding himself not to say “what I’m thinking” because he was being recorded at the time.

    On a trip last week to Jody Brown’s cattle farm at Longreach in western Queensland with his wife Chloe and opposition agriculture spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon, the Labor leader is heard in filmed outtakes reminding Ms Brown that their comments can be heard.

    “Remember, I’m on mic,” he says while they walk through a dusty paddock. “I’m on mic.”

    Later, while looking at cattle, Mr Shorten says: “That makes me wonder — oh, I’m on mic, I can’t say what I’m thinking.”

    Link

  137. Whalehunt fun

    Lawyers exist to make work for themselves, and in that you have to admire their success.

    No Lawyers have an important role in the armed services. Live fire means shooting at actual live things and lawyers are alive, plentiful and worthless.

  138. I’m not sure what outfit this bloke served in but I’m guessing it was regular Army.

    From his LinkedIn:

    Australian Army
    6 yrs

    Australian Army Liaison Officer to the Land Forces of the United Kingdom
    Jan 2017 – Present 1 yr 8 mos
    Andover – United Kingdom
    This role facilitates cooperation and interoperability between the Australian Army and the Land Forces of the United Kingdom. It requires a strong understanding of modernization and international engagement underway in both nations Defence Forces. Liaison relies on strong professional networks and robust participant in wargames, seminars and planning activities.

    Commanding Officer 2nd Cavalry Regiment
    Jan 2014 – Present 4 yrs 8 mos
    Darwin and Townsville
    Lead the training, development and modernisation of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment from 2014 – 2016. This included relocation of the the unit from Darwin to Townsville and successful integration of the Tank capability to North Queensland. This transition of the unit to a new role and location required new ways of thinking, changes to process, development of new teams and detailed management of approximately 450 personnel and $900M of equipment.

    Staff Officer Grade One – the Army Plan
    2012 – 2014 Employment Duration2 yrs
    Canberra
    Synchronises Army modernisation two to ten years into the future to meet government direction, conform to budget guidance and respond to the assessed operating environment. The role involved frequent interaction with Chief of Army, other senior leaders and the preparation of briefs to Government. At staff level SO1 The Army Plan planned resource allocation and developed implementation schedules with groups outside of Army responsible for the delivery of infrastructure and logistic support to both Plan BEERSHEBA and other modernisation programs.

  139. .

    That dungeon master’s g/f “Hannah” has a great body. He needs a wife swap.

  140. Chris

    He needs a wife swap.

    Well he can’t bloody have mine.

  141. C.L.

    Turnbull honestly believes people throughout the country are cheering The Neg.
    They’ve been waiting for this for years.

  142. Makka

    Turdball must have something over the other dickheads.

    He paid for their election and will likely bankroll the next. Is that obvious enough?

  143. feelthebern

    Secret footage of Turdbull unleashing the NEG on the Australian public.

  144. stackja

    Zyconoclast
    #2788724, posted on August 14, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    MT spending a lot of effort on a dud.

  145. C.L.

    I don’t think that’s the same James Davis, Mont.

  146. testpattern

    This is good but an incoming ALP Govt will need to adopt the Canadian model Private Sponsorship of Refugees Program to ensure that the refugee kids in Indonesia who’ve been busy learning English can come here. I’m fairly sure a Shorten Gov will do this. Great idea and even Libertarians may like to donate –

    About Cisarua Learning.

    ‘Four years ago the Cisarua Refugee Learning Centre (CRLC) was the first refugee-managed school in Indonesia. Since then it has inspired a refugee-led education revolution and there are over 1500 children learning from around 100 refugee teachers, at 10 refugee learning centres. More centres are opening all the time. Cisarua Learning is an Public Benevolent Institution with tax deductibilty status, established by the co-founders of the CRLC.

    This year we will establish mentored learning hubs for older (15+) refugees who are not able to learn at the learning centres. We need to increase the stipends of our teachers so they can survive beyond their savings or family support. We continue to advocate to Australians, Canadians and Americans through presentations and screenings of the feature documentary, The Staging Post. Our idea is that ‘Refugees can be a part of the solution’ and we present this idea to thought leaders and decision makers at international conferences.

    At the heart of Cisarua Learning is a friendship between Australians and the refugees in Indonesia. We plan to grow these friendships so that Australians and refugees can accompany each other. Australians have a lot to offer and the refugee community has a lot to offer in return.’

    https://cisarualearning.com/

  147. H B Bear

    Peanut Head knows he is so close he can smell it. Not even Albosleazy can knock him off now.

  148. feelthebern

    Prime Minister Bill Shorten.
    Has a certain ring to it.

  149. Lysander

    I think you mean PM-BS.

  150. Myrddin Seren

    Prime Minister Bill Shorten.
    Has a certain ring to it.

    Yup. The clanging of steel gates shutting behind you.

  151. Dr Faustus

    Adam Bandt ✔ @AdamBandt
    BREAKING: Gov has just released under Senate order their ‘full’ modelling behind the NEG & its wild claims about $550/yr power bill cuts.
    It’s a single Excel spreadsheet. That’s it.

    It’s actually far worse than that.

    The Excel spreadsheet in question states that it is based on modelling done by ACIL Allen Consulting. It is simply a few aggregate numbers pasted as values from other undisclosed spreadsheets and provides no working details of how the NEG is supposed to operate or deliver any savings.

    It is not a ‘model’ and could not be used in any way to test the assumptions/outcomes.

    Not a good omen, given that it was supposed to be the handiwork of the Energy Security Board, or AEMO, or AEMC – the experts who are supposed to have designed and endorsed Turnbull’s NEG.

  152. Makka

    https://saraacarter.com/the-real-reasons-peter-strzok-was-fired-from-the-fbi/

    There are certainly more than just the anti-Trump text messages sent by former FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok that led the second in command at the FBI to fire him. FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich actually overruled a recommendation by the bureau’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) to suspend and demote the former senior agent, and instead, terminated Strzok on Friday.

    Strzok was under oath before Congress and he made statements that appeared to be false and refused to answer some questions, but he was going to get just a slap on the wrist,” said a former supervisory special agent from OPR adjudication, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the nature of their work. “There is absolutely no wiggle room when it comes to lack of candor in the FBI…unless you’re an SES (Senior Executive Service). Strzok’s firing went well beyond texting about Trump. Strzok would have also been involved in the handling of the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) application to the FISC (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court)…” The agent noted that Strzok was “well aware that he was lying by deception when they did not include the information on who paid for the dossier and (that) Bruce Ohr was back-channeling information for a discredited source.”

  153. I don’t think that’s the same James Davis, Mont.

    Oh, alright then.

  154. Chris

    Prime Minister Bill Shorten.

    If only there was some kind of organised other side in politics.

  155. Leigh Lowe

    The Excel spreadsheet in question states that it is based on modelling done by ACIL Allen Consulting. It is simply a few aggregate numbers pasted as values from other undisclosed spreadsheets and provides no working details of how the NEG is supposed to operate or deliver any savings

    Great.
    Electricity gets it’s very own NBN plan.

  156. Leigh Lowe

    That dungeon master’s g/f “Hannah” has a great body. He needs a wife swap.

    I think he is a collector rather than a trader.

  157. stackja

    Chris
    #2788807, posted on August 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm
    Prime Minister Bill Shorten.

    If only there was some kind of organised other side in politics.

    LNP going the UAP/CP route/rout?

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, the video briefly shows a framed photo of some ADF personnel in desert camo draped over an armoured vehicle. So not the Navy, no. Maybe they’re all cooks or something posing for a trophy pic.

    I was having a shot at certain nautical Cats, that’s all.

  159. Prime Minister Bill Shorten.
    Has a certain ring to it.

    No comment.

  160. testpattern

    ‘If only there was some kind of organised other side in politics’

    Billy was a mountain. Tanya was a tree hangin’ offa his shoul-der ..

    ‘Studebacher Mal arrives on the cliff which is Billy the Mountain’s jaw and attempts to reason with him. At first he is friendly, but after Tanya protests, he aggressively threatens Billy and Tanya. Billy laughs at his threats, and in doing so, causes Mal to lose his balance and fall 200 feet to his own injury and defeat…’

  161. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m guessing it was regular Army.

    I don’t think so C.L.
    Fairly certain he was In The Navy.

  162. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2788809, posted on August 14, 2018 at 4:44 pm
    The Excel spreadsheet in question states that it is based on modelling done by ACIL Allen Consulting. It is simply a few aggregate numbers pasted as values from other undisclosed spreadsheets and provides no working details of how the NEG is supposed to operate or deliver any savings

    Great.
    Electricity gets it’s very own NBN plan.

    NBN was on beer coaster? NEG is on a spreadsheet. Of course, GIGO.

  163. cohenite

    Makka

    #2788791, posted on August 14, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    Turdball must have something over the other dickheads.

    He paid for their election and will likely bankroll the next. Is that obvious enough?

    Seriously, turdball bought the coalition for a mill. We should have had a whip around here if that was the going the price.

  164. I’m sure Wile E. Trumble can treason with PM-elect Tits.

  165. calli

    Prime Minister Bill Shorten.
    Has a certain ring to it.

    Yes. Yes it does.

  166. Speedbox

    NBN was on beer coaster? NEG is on a spreadsheet.

    Oh well that’s alright then. Clearly the Turdbull Govt has everything under control. Fear not oh ye of little faith.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    Seriously, turdball bought the coalition for a mill. We should have had a whip around here if that was the going the price.

    I have a theory.
    I reckon he “lent” the party the money and it will turn into an non-refundable gift only if he gets to run his race and choose his successor.
    If they return to Abbott, they have a yuuuuge hole in their war-chest for the next election.

  168. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Loser gets invaded dispossessed raped chained jailed enslaved shot genocided and mocked by racist cartoonists.

    Loser gets to pass off stories that “my Nanna told me” as genuine history, and thirty billion dollars a year.

  169. feelthebern

    The NEG is all part of Malcolm’s crazy like a fox plan where he plays 6 dimension chess with all comers.

  170. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Spectator Index
    @spectatorindex
    BREAKING: Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir Mohamad says his government will cancel major infrastructure projects backed by China.
    1:25 PM · Aug 13, 2018

  171. feelthebern

    LNP party room meeting today.

  172. Snoopy

    Peter Strzok is now doing God’s work. His Go Fund Me target has been increased from $150k to $350k and he’s hoovered $197k from brain dead Leftists.

    How much did you give him, Monty?

  173. Rae

    Nuffing wrong with an Excel spreadsheet. How many pages? Portrait or Landscape? What size font?

  174. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2788649, posted on August 14, 2018 at 1:40 pm
    Spurgeon Flemindton

    Like I said, the Dutch are a prime example of the perils of marrying cousins.

    The reactionary lackey of the fascist left establishment reverts to cheap ethnic stereotyping.

  175. Fisky

    Via Lion of the Blogosphere, some excellent news of Ben Carson’s anti-zoning housing policies.

    The Obama administration took steps to encourage the development of low-income housing in high-income neighborhoods. In an interview, HUD Secretary Ben Carson said he plans instead to focus on restrictive zoning codes. Stringent codes have limited home construction, thus driving up prices and making it more difficult for low-income families to afford homes, Mr. Carson said.
    . . .
    The secretary pointed to Los Angeles as an example of how zoning rules stymie housing development. He said a large majority of the city’s parcels of land are eligible only for single-family home development, not larger projects that could house more people and help moderate price growth. “Of course you’re going to have skyrocketing prices that no one can afford,” he said.

  176. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The reactionary lackey of the fascist left establishment reverts to cheap ethnic stereotyping.

    I’d be interested in the fascist hyena’s authority for making that statement – the Memsahib was born in Rotterdam, and as far as I know, we’re in no way related.

  177. cohenite

    It’s actually far worse than that.

    The Excel spreadsheet in question states that it is based on modelling done by ACIL Allen Consulting. It is simply a few aggregate numbers pasted as values from other undisclosed spreadsheets and provides no working details of how the NEG is supposed to operate or deliver any savings.

    The guts of the NEG is this:

    2.4 Managing reliability risks
    The reduction in dispatchable coal-fired
    generation and the greater penetration of
    variable renewable technologies such as
    solar and wind generation present risks to
    the reliability of our electricity supply.
    Historically, most of the installed generation
    capacity has been dispatchable (that is, able to
    generate as required) provided by coal, gas and
    hydro-electric plants. Provided these generating
    units have sufficient fuel (that is, coal, gas,
    stored water) and their operational positions
    allow it – and assuming no unexpected outages
    or transmission constraints – they can be called
    upon by AEMO to increase or decrease their
    output at any time in a predictable manner, given
    enough notice.
    However, as Australia’s ageing generators retire
    they are being replaced by cheaper variable
    renewable alternatives or increased output from
    gas-fired power stations.
    The proportion of available dispatchable
    generation capacity in the NEM is therefore
    declining. While some new wind and solar
    investments in Australia are seeking to make
    themselves dispatchable by co-locating with a
    battery or storage such as pumped hydro, this
    is not true for the majority of these resources.
    Therefore, a portfolio of resources is required
    so that when wind and solar are not available,
    alternative sources of power can be dispatched.
    The reliability requirement is designed to
    ensure that a portfolio of dispatchable power
    is available when required as the system
    transitions. Increased contracting will also
    reduce the likelihood of unexpected closures.
    For generators, greater levels of contracting will
    have the effect of increasing their commitment
    to future generation – as a failure to generate
    at times they are contracted would leave them
    exposed to significant financial risk. Transferring
    such liabilities is costly, and so being in a largely
    contracted position would increase a generator’s
    incentive to keep the plant well-maintained
    and to quickly take action to respond to any
    unplanned outages.
    The reliability requirement is
    expected to work in combination with the three year
    notice of closure rule recommended by the
    Finkel Review to ensure market decisions are
    made in a more orderly fashion.13
    The Guarantee also incentivises a more
    developed demand response market, financially
    rewarding action by consumers, which will aid
    reliability and capture value for consumers who
    choose to participate.
    Neither the risk nor the effects of unanticipated
    outages or closures should be underestimated,
    especially as the share of dispatchable
    generation in the NEM decreases. Without
    the Guarantee, the market will have a less
    coordinated response to unanticipated events,
    and such disruptions could increase prices and
    threaten reliability as has been seen over the
    past few years.

    What this means is this: the hugely expensive duplicatory system whereby fossils run 24/7 but can only sell when W&S don’t produce (about 70% of the time) and fossils have to pay W&S when they do run, will continue except the NEG will guarantee profits for the fossils, out of government funds, to ensure electricity supply. So consumers will have guaranteed supply and cost as new players are subsidised to keep open coal and build new coal while at the same time, presumably, the vast subsidies for W&S will continue.

    Until the country goes bankrupt. All to sate turdball’s desire to be seen as the saviour of the planet from ebil warming.

  178. Herodotus

    I never thought I’d live to say that Tony Windsor was right.

    The voters up there have to choose between two scumbags? I bet that’s never happened before.

  179. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2788644, posted on August 14, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    Nice one Bruce, didn’t see that at the time, credit to you though.

    Sure! We believe you. Thousands wouldn’t, but we do.

  180. Tel

    In an interview, HUD Secretary Ben Carson said he plans instead to focus on restrictive zoning codes. Stringent codes have limited home construction, thus driving up prices and making it more difficult for low-income families to afford homes, Mr. Carson said.

    Sure, that’s “Open Borders” wearing a slightly different hat.

    People who own property in a neighbourhood want to keep it nice and maintain high value property so they do a number of things to encourage that:
    * Avoid high density developments.
    * Especially avoid high density mostly rentals where the people who move in don’t give a shit about the neighbourhood, then either move out soon after or worse demand rent control and steal from you.
    * Very especially avoid anything involving government projects to help out key voting demographic client groups.

    Since the property owners bought into the neighbourhood and worked to make it a good place to live, they don’t want anyone free riding on that, and they don’t want anyone to trash their nice neighbourhood. How surprising, no different to a club of people deciding who they want to join their club, or a nation state deciding what type of immigrants they prefer. No different whatsoever. All about property rights and the choice of voluntary association.

  181. calli

    Something horrible happening in Westminster.

  182. calli

    Looks like it might just be a car crash.

    The times we live in.

  183. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The Sydney rapper who was killed by a sheila with a samurai sword is a great story.

    Why the fuck are they charging her with murder and not giving her a civic award?

  184. cohenite

    Looks like it might just be a car crash.

    The times we live in.

    Islamic times.

  185. H B Bear

    The Sydney rapper who was killed by a sheila with a samurai sword is a great story.
    Why the fuck are they charging her with murder and not giving her a civic award?

    Indeed. With the complete debasement of the Australian awards, anyone reducing the amount of Aussie hip hop should be a walk up start for an AO. Or something higher if you take out a couple of JJJ employees as well.

  186. No different whatsoever. All about property rights and the choice of voluntary association.

    What about MY property rights if I wanted to make more money because I could sell to a developer than another householder ???

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Senate votes to censure Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm

    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    @rosieslewis
    4 minutes ago August 14, 2018

    The Senate has voted 30-28 to censure Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm for:

    1. humiliating and intimidating a fellow female senator (Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young) by making derogatory, defamatory and sexist statements about her during a formal division in the Senate;

    2. inflaming the situation by publishing and republishing further derogatory, defamatory and sexist statements concerning the fellow female senator in the media and on social media;

    3. refusing to apologise for his derogatory, defamatory and sexist statements; and

    4. failing to uphold the dignity of the chamber and ensure it is a place where all senators are able to freely and respectfully contribute to debate and deliberations, as expected of senators by the Australian people.

    The government and crossbenchers Fraser Anning, Cory Bernardi, Brian Burston and Pauline Hanson voted with Senator Leyonhjelm against the motion, saying it was not warranted on this occasion, while Labor and crossbencher Derryn Hinch voted with the Greens to censure him.

    From the Oz.

  188. .

    Hans Blix is the kind of guy who believes in censure motions and “smart” sanctions.

  189. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Indeed. With the complete debasement of the Australian awards, anyone reducing the amount of Aussie hip hop should be a walk up start for an AO.

    aussie hip hop? … aussie hip hop??? there’s such a thing as aussie hip hop?!?!?

    why!?!?! isn’t that like cultural appropriation.

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    aussie hip hop? … aussie hip hop??? there’s such a thing as aussie hip hop?!?!?

    Fact:
    More White People and Asians listen to Hip Hop than Black People.

    I’m not condoning it, just putting it out there.

  191. jupes

    From Steyn:

    A few months ago, a global media tempest erupted after Polish Catholics held a mass public prayer event across the country. The BBC deemed it “controversial”, due to “concerns it could be seen as endorsing the state’s refusal to let in Muslim migrants”.

    The same controversy, however, did not erupt in Britain when 140,000 Muslims prayed in Birmingham’s Small Heath Park, in an event organized by the Green Lane Mosque to mark the end of Ramadan.

    Post-Ramadan beanos in municipal parks: who could object? Giulio Meotti runs the numbers:

    The annual Birmingham event began in 2012 with 12,000 faithful. Two years later, the number of the faithful rose to 40,000. In 2015, it was 70,000. In 2016, the number was 90,000. In 2017, it was 100,000. In 2018, the number was 140,000. Next year?

    RTWT

  192. DrBeauGan

    Senate votes to censure Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm

    What follows? Is that it? The senate says on a vote that they disapprove? If so, they can censure me any time they feel like it and I shan’t give a shit.

    Or do they fine him real money? Is there any real penalty, or does he just have to live with the disapproval? My god, how will he be able to shave in the morning?

  193. Baldrick

    Victorian Liberals. Are there any stupider…

    Child sexual abuse revealed in confession would have to be reported to police and could be used as evidence if the Coalition wins Victoria’s state election, the Opposition’s most senior Catholic MP has announced.
    Nationals Leader Peter Walsh told the ABC a Coalition Victorian government would change the law to allow information given in the confessional to be used as evidence and make it an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional.

  194. areff

    If you’ve not read it, Tony Abbott’s statement now posted at as the homepage lede at Quadrant.

  195. chrisl

    Interesting thread over at Prof Quiggins place on power generation. Asked some searching question he replies with “Don’t you know who I am?” Well yes but you still may be wrong !
    It seems the future will be wildly fluctuating prices , storage that hasn’t been invented yet and a fairytale economic solution just for good measure
    The future seems bright!

  196. max

    Abbott speaks just fine.

    No, he doesn’t. It’s annoying and frustrating listening to him struggle to get out what he wants to say.

    Seriously he would be so much more effective as a fluent speaker. He’s as annoying as Boltus interruptus.

    Someone should take him in hand before interviews and run through the questions and his response.

    I agree, he has thought about many of the issues and come to considered conclusions which are on the money, but he’s like a nag that you’ve backed that shies at the post.

  197. H B Bear

    Interesting thread over at Prof Quiggins place on power generation. Asked some searching question he replies with “Don’t you know who I am?”

    Who does Quiggin think he is? Belinda Neal?

    One of the main problems with the whole destruction of the electricity market is that it has too many economists and lawyers fiddling with it and not enough engineers.

  198. Mother Lode

    What will happen when the ANC takes my farm

    Don’t worry, they are arranging it so you buy the farm at the same time.

  199. Baldrick

    Something horrible happening in Westminster.

    Footage of a man arrested. Police are treating the incident as terrorist related.

  200. Mark from Melbourne

    If you’ve not read it, Tony Abbott’s statement now posted at as the homepage lede at Quadrant.

    Love the “bio” areff.

  201. .

    “Hello George, this is Mr. Nkosi from the Revenue Service in Pretoria, he’s an accountant and he is going to help you with our business…”

  202. cohenite

    The annual Birmingham event began in 2012 with 12,000 faithful. Two years later, the number of the faithful rose to 40,000. In 2015, it was 70,000. In 2016, the number was 90,000. In 2017, it was 100,000. In 2018, the number was 140,000. Next year?

    At least they’ll all be in the same spot.

  203. Roger

    Interesting thread over at Prof Quiggins place on power generation. Asked some searching question he replies with “Don’t you know who I am?”

    Logical fallacy: Appeal to authority = a fail, Dr. Quiggin.

    Double demerit points for the authority being your very own self.

  204. .

    an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional

    Um, how exactly would this be proven?

    The priests would not even by their own rules be allowed to give any evidence.

    Who would accuse them…and for what purpose?

    I want to know exactly how a covert operation would figure this out; without the cooperation of an accused child abuser…? Now, why would the police even bother?

    I’m not sure a crook has ever gotten a deal because they can accuse someone else of concealing their crime. I don’t think it would be appropriate for a judge to act in this manner.

    Perversely, it would act to lessen gaol times that abusers face.

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is there any real penalty, or does he just have to live with the disapproval? My god, how will he be able to shave in the morning?

    I think he’s supposed to live with the shame and disapproval of the Labor Party, Derryn Hunch, and the Greens.

  206. zyconoclast

    an offence to conceal abuse that was revealed in the confessional

    Um, how exactly would this be proven?

    The priests would be set up by VicPlod.
    A fake (recorded) confession of abuse.
    Priest does not report. Bang!

  207. DrBeauGan

    I think he’s supposed to live with the shame and disapproval of the Labor Party, Derryn Hunch, and the Greens.

    Pretty much a badge of honour, then.

  208. Top Ender

    Outrageous article about the naked woman in the service station:

    The blonde woman approaches the counter in her birthday suit holding the bottle of beer.

    The cashier does not seem phased.

    It’s fazed you clot.

    Beam me up Scotty!

  209. rickw

    Something horrible happening in Westminster.

    Off to the shops to buy more guns and ammo. Rather more useful than flowers and a candlelight vigil.

  210. None

    Or do they fine him real money? Is there any real penalty, or does he just have to live with the disapproval? My god, how will he be able to shave in the morning?

    what follows is 1 genital and Hinch you all moved to send sure David have a little get together with him and plan how to kill off Australians.
    In the meantime can someone tell me what happened to that $60,000 raised for Sarah Sea Patrols legal costs on go fund me. She withdrew her defamation action so where is that money now?

  211. .

    The priests would be set up by VicPlod.
    A fake (recorded) confession of abuse.
    Priest does not report. Bang!

    How can a fake confession ever form the basis of concealment of a crime?

    The answer is obvious (or it will be when it is stated plainly), but of course, altogether terrifying.

  212. None

    Haha 1 genital and Hunxh was actually supposed to be after Wong, di Natale and Hinch moved to censure David…

  213. Chris

    Rather more useful than flowers and a candlelight vigil.

    Damn straight.

    Just discovered my new colleague is a Cronulla boy. Too young by a couple of years for the big event, but full of interesting stories.

  214. Makka

    Forget about the costs to families. What matters is my place at the trough!

    The immense challenge facing the Turnbull government was put into words by Victorian Liberal MP Sarah Henderson when she urged her colleagues to back the National Energy Guarantee.

    Henderson told the party room meeting on Tuesday about the grave risk facing MPs in marginal seats, herself included, if there was any further disunity on energy and climate.

  215. Confused Old Misfit

    None love,
    You really have to work some more on that voice to text application!

  216. .

    https://dailyreview.com.au/senator-sarah-hanson-young/76282/

    Even the lefties are tearing each other apart because of the DL/SHY spat.

    This is winning. That and getting free publicity to call MT a pussy.

  217. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The immense challenge facing the Turnbull government was put into words by Victorian Liberal MP Sarah Henderson when she urged her colleagues to back the National Energy Guarantee.

    Henderson told the party room meeting on Tuesday about the grave risk facing MPs in marginal seats, herself included, if there was any further disunity on energy and climate.

    Have you considered a policy that encourages cheaper power prices or is that beyond your ken, you gormless window licker?

  218. JC

    Police choppers overhead so I looked at breaking news and parliament is in lockdown because of another attempt at pedestrian mowing. FMD

  219. H B Bear

    These car attacks on Westminster are very disturbing. None of the useless mosleys are even coming remotely close to knocking off Appeaser May.

  220. .

    The fact of the matter is if police can get you convicted of a falsified confession of one civilian to another over a crime that was never committed; then we have thought crime on the books and it is no longer a theoretical concept.

    I can see them having a cop impersonating a civilian they suspect is guilty of abuse…this is another rabbit hole of course that can only be considered kosher if we have thoughtcrimes. The physical and fault elements cannot be proven in either scenario.

  221. Dr Faustus

    Senate votes to censure Liberal Democrat senator David Leyonhjelm

    For;

    “…publishing and republishing further derogatory, defamatory and sexist statements concerning the fellow female senator in the media and on social media…”;

    Unless I have this all wrong, the facts of the derogatory/defamatatory issue are sub judice.
    Presumably Ms Landwhale voted in contempt of her own legal claim against Leyonhjelm.

    What a Third World turnout.

  222. Snoopy

    Abbott should have just laughed at this gift question from Sales, accused her of misrepresenting the facts and asked did she believe social workers and global warming rent seekers should be managing our our electricity supply? Did the NFF poll its members? Do miners include coal miners? Oh and what do steel works and aluminium smelters think of our energy policies?

    This energy plan is supported by everyone from the Council of Social Services, to the Business Council, to farmers, to miners, to the Clean Energy Council. Are all of them wrong?

    He didn’t.

  223. .

    So stupid.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/battered-by-boycotts-will-sky-news-now-ditch-its-right-wing-formula-20180810-p4zwps.html

    Read the comments. Melb. has a “supposed” crime wave and socialism is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Superannuated, APS GetItUp cardigan wearing dickheads.

    Just like most of the Triple J audience.

  224. H B Bear

    [Victorian Liberal MP Sarah] Henderson told the party room meeting on Tuesday about the grave risk facing MPs in marginal seats, herself included, if there was any further disunity on energy and climate.

    Good to see Sarah focused on the big picture and the national interest. See ya. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

  225. .

    Leyonhjelm can probably argue mitigation against damages because he has “suffered” from the censure.

  226. testpattern

    ‘What will happen when the ANC takes my farm’

    Agri SA questions validity of #farmlist – release is irresponsible

    “Agri SA is in the process of establishing the legitimacy of the list of farms,” said Dan Kriek, President of Agri SA. “It is irresponsible of AfriForum to publish such unconfirmed information, knowing it to be inflammatory.”

    Cursory background research showed that the list contained several inaccuracies which could easily have been verified before release. Upon investigation by Agri SA’s affiliates, it came to light that the list contained farms that are joint ventures that are co-owned by black people. The list also contained incomplete information on title deed descriptions and with farm names appearing without stating the subdivisions of those farms.

    Agri SA wishes to emphasise that expropriation can only happen for a legitimate purpose mandated by statute and that a lengthy process that complies with the requirements of just administrative action needs to be followed.

    “This means that expropriation cannot happen overnight and can only take place for reasons specified in a law of general application,” said Annelize Crosby, Agri SA Head of the Centre of Excellence: Land. There are various prescribed steps that must be followed in expropriation. This includes a notice of intention to expropriate, valuation of the property and negotiations with the owners. As the Constitution has not been changed, the requirement for expropriation remains just and equitable compensation.’

    https://www.agrisa.co.za/pressReleases/729042743744be913ba854c1983a546c

  227. John Constantine

    Windmills Macht Frei.

  228. Snoopy

    DL should get to a reliable doctor and complain of dizzy spells, irregular heartbeat and shortness of breath since the censure.

  229. rickw

    In the meantime can someone tell me what happened to that $60,000 raised for Sarah Sea Patrols legal costs on go fund me. She withdrew her defamation action so where is that money now?

    Eaten? A physique like SSP’s and Munty’s doesn’t happen by accident you know!

  230. .

    I haven’t seen anything in news saying the defamation proceeding was withdrawn. I assume she’d have to pay costs.

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  232. Cactus

    This NEG thing is deeply concerning. How do the politicians collectively not get it. Surely the focus groups are 1) power and 2) immigration. Why doesnt that resonate?

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