Monday Forum: August 13, 2018

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  1. Rae

    Farmer Gez.

    Last night you said Nicole Chvastek questioned Harvey Glick fro Monsanto about this:

    Brent Wisner, a lawyer for Mr. Johnson, said in a statement that jurors had seen for the first time internal company documents “proving that Monsanto has known for decades that glyphosate and specifically Roundup could cause cancer.”

    “Lawyer words and flatly denied by Monsanto.” you said.

    “Denied by Monsantos Harvey Glick when asked about it by Nicole Chvastek on ABC Rural Radio” you said.

    Not so Framer Gez. Here you go . At 2hrs 11mins 10secs to 2hrs 17mins 45 secs.

    Nowhere in the interview does Nicole Chvastek ask about the above. And nowhere in the interview does Harvey Glick address the above.

  2. candy

    It’s a shame there’s no LNP leader brave enough to go to election on building new coal mines and keeping old ones and upgrading, and not only that, government owned where power prices are fixed at a most modest level and no-one has to worry about what the power bill will be, because it will always be modest.
    like the old days?

    It would make voters make the choice – green schemes, dreams and having to trust the greedy AGL and others, or absolute certainty in the hands of a conservative government.

    methinks that is what TA has in mind.

  3. Snoopy

    “This means that expropriation cannot happen overnight and can only take place for reasons specified in a law of general application,” said Annelize Crosby, Agri SA Head of the Centre of Excellence: Land. There are various prescribed steps that must be followed in expropriation. This includes a notice of intention to expropriate, valuation of the property and negotiations with the owners.

    Until a few truckloads of armed ANC or EFF ‘youth’ arrive accompanied by police ‘to maintain order’.

    See Zimbabwe.

  4. Makka

    This NEG thing is deeply concerning. How do the politicians collectively not get it. Surely the focus groups are 1) power and 2) immigration. Why doesnt that resonate?

    cactus,

    It makes absolute sense when you understand that it is the Uniparty in action. They ALL get it but because the Uniparty controls the discourse, minor irritations like the electorate don’t matter. The electorate’s only real purpose is to fill the Treasury.

  5. JC

    Leyonhjelm is the best senator we have, who ran under the LDP banner, yet we have primitives and economic babarians here making frequent attacks against libertarians and the LDP.

    Take a bow “ snoopy”, you lonely deranged piece shit and lots not forget your owner, the African hole digger.

    By the way I asked you two dickheads a question the other day and both you morons haven’t answered.

    If there is a sudden drop in workforce numbers caused by say a retreat in immigration numbers, how would this increase real as against nominal wages when we know the only way to raise real wages is through a rise in productivity.

    You’ve been given a week to answer this question and it’s about time you balled up. And no Snoopy Textor, no text answers.

    Go!

  6. zyconoclast

    Israeli Students Caught Dancing Naked at Nazi Death Camp in Poland
    Workers caught the students on security cameras and called local authorities. The two were flown back to Israel

  7. Roger

    This NEG thing is deeply concerning. How do the politicians collectively not get it. Surely the focus groups are 1) power and 2) immigration. Why doesnt that resonate?

    Listen to the electorate? That would be very…courageous, Minister.

  8. JC

    Textor

    Stop worrying about Zimbabwe and answer focus on the question put to you, you dickhead.

  9. C.L.

    This energy plan is supported by everyone from the Council of Social Services, to the Business Council, to farmers, to miners, to the Clean Energy Council. Are all of them wrong?

    Good Lord.
    Energy policy approved by the lesbian social workers of ACoSS.
    FMD.
    And the BCA is no better. Worse, in fact.

  10. JMH

    Has this country ever experienced something more disgusting, divisive and repugnant than the Turnbull (bought) LNP? I really hope Abbott, Hastie, Kelly, Christensen and others with a conscience cross the floor when this debacle of a NEG hits the Lower House floor.

  11. cohenite

    He didn’t.

    TA is too fucking polite. It’s ironic he was accused by faux feminists, really commies with tits, early on of being a wall beater and all round misogynist. In fact he’s a pussy cat: it all began here when he didn’t deck that prick mark riley:

  12. Snoopy

    Provide a link to your original question, prefect.

  13. RobK

    Why doesnt that resonate?
    The subsidies are off-budget so not a tax. The RE believers really think they are cheaper than coal, infact free in the long run. Just checkout the commenters on reneweconomy.

  14. .

    JC

    Let’s say I side with the Bolt refugees.

    I want immigration to be restricted. My rules are that all immigrants pay a 100k fee now and the test is an acceptable level of spoken and written English, a valid passport or UN refugee accreditation and an IQ score at least one standard deviation above the average.

    I think that is a fair trade-off. I would not even give it a cap. It would eliminate 84.1% of all applicants now. That’s just how the S.D. works. One S.D. above the mean is 50% plus 34.1%.

  15. candy

    Leyonhjelm is the best senator we have, who ran under the LDP banner, yet we have primitives and economic babarians here making frequent attacks against libertarians and the LDP.

    He is a good senator because he makes you think about issues like the assisted suicide issue, even this fight with Sarah-HY, and look into things a little deeper and not just accept your own view and therefore not listen to anyone else. He kind of prods a person into thinking about issues.

  16. I am starting to come around on Turnbull. Anyone who can trigger you lot like he has today can’t be all bad.

  17. .

    Like I said: I haven’t seen that SHY’s case was withdrawn. She’d have to pay costs, no?

    Any links?

  18. Snoopy

    The head prefect is running on pure adrenaline after narrowly missing being assassinated by a suspected terrorist. FFS don’t they know who you are?

  19. JC

    Good Lord.
    Energy policy approved by the lesbian social workers of ACoSS.
    FMD.
    And the BCA is no better. Worse, in fact.

    It’s hard to believe that in 2018 a parliament filled with university graduates and uni-graduate advisers can’t seem to work out that if

    1. you reduce supply
    2. latent demand is stable and or showing a rising tendency, you will see
    3. rising prices.

  20. zyconoclast

    JINNAH PARK: While Leftist Elites Pull Down John A. Macdonald, Politicians Name Winnipeg Park For The Founder Of Pakistan

    How the hell did we get to the point where statues of our first Prime Minister are being pulled down while parks are dedicated to the founder of a foreign country with values completely opposed to Canada?

  21. testpattern

    ‘Until a few truckloads of armed ANC or EFF ‘youth’ arrive’

    or West Australians –

    The first two farms on the list are Lukin and Salaita belonging to Akkerland Boerdery. The two farms lie are located on top of the Makhado coal reef worth about R70 billion… in 2014 Akkerland Boerdery was summoned in a High Court case by the the Australian based Coal of Africa Ltd [Perth] to allow their prospectors and employees access to Lukin and Salaika.

    ‘Peter Cordin (65) Independent Non-executive Director
    Mr Cordin has a Bachelor of Engineering degree from the University of Western Australia and is experienced in the evaluation, development and operation of resource projects within Australia and overseas. He is a Non-executive Director of Vital Metals Limited and Aurora Minerals Limited.’

    Coal of Africa ltd

    http://www.mcmining.co.za/about-us/about-us1

  22. Makka

    JC, more of your typical obtuse bullshit and squirrel running. To cover for your open borders, high immigration, low wages policies.

    When will we see your formula showing the reduction in overseas born to 13% of our population in 15 years? As you repeatedly asserted is possible. Show it. It’s been over 2 weeks since you were challenged you coward and all you have come up with is mumbo jumbo.

    So, fk off and come back when you can prove it.

  23. JC

    lol Head prefect. So creative these days, Textor.

    Answer the question, you illiterate swine. There’s no getting out of this by trying to avoid it by texting your way out of it, Textor.

    Let me repeat it for you.

    If there is a sudden drop in workforce numbers caused by say a retreat in immigration numbers, how would this increase real as against nominal wages when we know the only way to raise real wages is through a rise in productivity.

    Have you slept since the 37 hour blogging bender? 🙂

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    This NEG thing is deeply concerning. How do the politicians collectively not get it. Surely the focus groups are 1) power and 2) immigration. Why doesnt that resonate?

    They think they have to 1) save the world from the wrath of Gaia and 2) save Australia from barren wombs. That neither is actually necessary fails to inflate the ego quite as satisfyingly.

  25. JC

    Makka’s answer to the question is:

    JC, more of your typical obtuse bullshit and squirrel running. To cover for your open borders, high immigration, low wages policies……….

    Textor tries with the Head Prefect routine.

    You really have to LOL.

  26. John Constantine

    STO santos announces the Cooper Basin might still have its best profit years ahead of it.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180813/pdf/43x8s6c8m9s5lp.pdf

    Getting it right with new tech and work methods.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Like I said: I haven’t seen that SHY’s case was withdrawn. She’d have to pay costs, no?

    That’s certainly news to me, as well.

  28. Snoopy

    What sort of an idiot accepts at face value figures provided by an ACTU uber bint?

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #2788926, posted on August 14, 2018 at 6:57 pm
    He didn’t.

    TA is too fucking polite. It’s ironic he was accused by faux feminists, really commies with tits, early on of being a wall beater and all round misogynist. In fact he’s a pussy cat: it all began here when he didn’t deck that prick mark riley:”

    He should have.

  30. JC

    Dot

    I want to see how these two Oxford professors (Texter and his owner, Makka) visualize rising real wages with falling production.

  31. JC

    Snoopy
    #2788952, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    What sort of an idiot accepts at face value figures provided by an ACTU uber bint?

    And on we go. Another text from Texter refusing to answer the question. He’s quite nervy and jumpy, so this may cause another 37 hour blog bender.

  32. Farmer Gez

    Nowhere in the interview does Nicole Chvastek ask about the above. And nowhere in the interview does Harvey Glick address the above.

    C’mon Rae you’re clutching at straws.
    Glick says he “unaware of any withholding of information”. That is a clear response to the assertion the lawyer put at trial.
    Glick maintains his product is safe and refutes in arguement that it is linked to cancer.
    I have checked the memo scandal and it is mostly linked to a toxicologist who said in 2003 that Monsanto shouldn’t claim the product is not carcinagenic without further studies.
    She is simply being a prudent scientist. That does not mean there is a link, only that she feels the work has not been done to her satisfaction.
    Thanks for posting it though. I’ve been in the shearing shed all day.

  33. Snoopy

    No link so you’re lying again. Good luck with the PTSD from the terrorist attack.

  34. Dr Faustus

    A quick perusal of the ACIL Allen Consulting work that the Energy Security Board ‘experts’ have relied on to promise Turnbull that the NEG is going to reduce electricity bills by $550/annum shows the economics hang on four major assumptions:

    1) International coal prices fall from $120/tonne to $60/tonne; and
    2) The NEG somehow removes 3% from the post-tax cost of funding new generation;
    3) The cost of battery storage falls from $2019/kWh (2018) to $900/kWh (2030);
    4) Unlimited gas is available on the east coast for ~$10/GJ in 2030.

    This is not garden variety ‘merchant banker’s gobbledegook’.
    This is fucking VC-grade heroic ‘merchant banker’s gobbledegook’.

    The ‘model’ isn’t a working model, but my rough calculation suggests that most of the claimed $550 retail price saving comes from assuming the coal price in half.

  35. cohenite

    Thanks for posting it though. I’ve been in the shearing shed all day.

    Good on you. And here you are now shearing a troll.

  36. John Constantine

    30 millions by 2030 is our unwavering commitment.

    All windmill powered.

    NDIS for all is our Strength.

    NBN for all is our Strength.

    Gonski is our Strength.

    Rewilding farmland is our Strength.

    Dumping our irrigation water unused out to sea is our Strength.

    Choppping five zeroes off the end of our banknotes to solve hyperinflation is our Strength.

    Mass imporation of consumption machines to vote our way is our Strength.

    [ At least for that very important group defined as: “OUR”]

    We are Us.

    Comrades.

  37. Snoopy

    JC, a serious question. Are you okay? You are observably becoming more and more unhinged.

  38. JC

    .
    #2788930, posted on August 14, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    JC

    Let’s say I side with the Bolt refugees.

    I want immigration to be restricted. My rules are that all immigrants pay a 100k fee now and the test is an acceptable level of spoken and written English, a valid passport or UN refugee accreditation and an IQ score at least one standard deviation above the average.

    I think that is a fair trade-off. I would not even give it a cap. It would eliminate 84.1% of all applicants now. That’s just how the S.D. works. One S.D. above the mean is 50% plus 34.1%.

    Sure, that’s basically a version of David L’s/ LDP immigration policy. It’s a good one but gets criticized by these two primitives and hallucinating imbeciles like Cohenite (a safe spacer) and peddling One Nation. FFS!

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    I am starting to come around on Turnbull. Anyone who can trigger you lot like he has today can’t be all bad.

    ‘Mazed it took you so long M0nty. Not only does he have near-perfect progressive credentials (rich, elitist & green) but unsuccessfully tried to join the Labor Party. Incompetent, politically green and lefty…what’s not to like if you are a progressive?

  40. .

    1) International coal prices fall from $120/tonne to $60/tonne; and
    2) The NEG somehow removes 3% from the post-tax cost of funding new generation;
    3) The cost of battery storage falls from $2019/kWh (2018) to $900/kWh (2030);
    4) Unlimited gas is available on the east coast for ~$10/GJ in 2030.

    A reality check. Nuke coming soon.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19652/lockheed-martin-now-has-a-patent-for-its-potentially-world-changing-fusion-reactor

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180702005060/en/Brillouin-Energy-Closes-Paid-Commercial-License-Asia-Pacific

    Maybe not as soon as we all want, but soon enough to make anthropogenic GW, if it ever was an issue, totally irrelevant.

  41. JC

    Snoopy
    #2788965, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    JC, a serious question. Are you okay? You are observably becoming more and more unhinged.

    Still no attempt to answer the question and a very jumpy and nervy Textor.

    You can always tell he’s nervy and tense by the speed of the text replies.

  42. Death Giraffe

    Because you deserve only the best.
    Relax with seven minutes of hammering:
    https://youtu.be/hT3oDZgzS5g

  43. John Constantine

    Isn’t it a rising standard of living when a family can afford to own a house and have three kids on a single wage?.

    Isn’t it a rising standard of living when you don’t have to sit hours a day in traffic jams to get to and from work?.

    Isn’t it a rising standard of living when you can just flick on central heating or ducted air conditioning without a care as to electricity prices?.

  44. JC

    Snoopy
    #2788961, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    No link so you’re lying again. Good luck with the PTSD from the terrorist attack.

    I posted the question again upthread.

    Still now answer.

    FMD, what a dishonest c..t.

  45. .

    How is that going to happen John? The worst traffic jams in Sydney are in affluent, white, native-born areas.

  46. This energy plan is supported by everyone from the Council of Social Services, to the Business Council, to farmers, to miners, to the Clean Energy Council. Are all of them wrong?

    Yes, yes they are.

  47. JC

    Isn’t it a rising standard of living when a family can afford to own a house and have three kids on a single wage?.

    No.

    You’re also assuming a lifestyle choice and a bundle of goods and services people may not way.

    Isn’t it a rising standard of living when you can just flick on central heating or ducted air conditioning without a care as to electricity prices?.

    Sure is. Find out why governments are closing down power plants.

  48. Baldrick

    Farmer Gez
    #2788959, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    Farmer Gez, the correct response to the Troll👹™ is ‘fuck off’.
    No other explanation is needed.

  49. testpattern

    Excellent work this marine journal editor

    Breaking –

    Jessica And The Frackers. Jessica Meeuwigs Kimberley Gas Fracking Conection The Media Is Definetly NOT Telling You About

    ‘Imagine your name was Eric Streitberg and you headed an oil and gas exploration company called Buru Energy.. Buru Energy says sampling from its Kimberley fracking operations found “relatively high concentrations” of a radioactive substance. The findings were contained in a report by oil and gas company Buru Energy that has not been made public..

    A 2011 profile on Eric in The Australian newspaper has this quote ,”He stays fit by snorkelling and diving with his partner of three years, marine biologist Jessica Meeuwig, who also keeps an eye on his environmental credentials..

    ..Andrew Forests motive in slandering a sustainable industry, the massive profits he stands to make from fracking along with Eric Streitberg and the very handy connections both have available to them to manipulate the public conversation for their own interests along with willing accomplice Jessica Meeuwig.’

    https://www.facebook.com/APFisherman/posts/1805856719530844

  50. calli

    I’ve been in the shearing shed all day.

    Heh. I’m doing the opposite – in the knitting shed. Jumpers for…lambs. 🐑

  51. candy

    testpattern, are you retired with lots of time on your hands?

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    Dot – Brillouin looks interesting but having to put in 1 kW to get 1.6 kW in return is an engineering nightmare for large scale power generation. Capital cost would be humungous. Even at 4:1 it would be horrible. All aqueous electrolytic plants are very expensive because of poor current density.

    Keep in mind that nuke is held back by capex. Their opex is very low, yet they come in substantially higher than coal because of the former.

    I’m going on what I read last time you mentioned them. Good stuff so far, but a long way to go. Decades at least.

  53. .

    Decades at least.

    Before the poley bears all drown, it seems.

  54. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I am starting to come around on Turnbull. Anyone who can trigger you lot like he has today can’t be all bad.

    At least he can trigger someone other than himself.

  55. JC

    I don’t quite understand the issue of traffic jams in the city. Growing up, it would take … no kidding.. 3 1/2 to 4 hours to get to the airport from where we lived. These days I can do it in 30 mins. It’s not to say there aren’t bad pockets, but it’s not as bad as made out.

  56. Farmer Gez

    I’ve been in the shearing shed all day.

    Heh. I’m doing the opposite – in the knitting shed. Jumpers for…lambs. 🐑

    Good for ewe Calli. 😀

  57. JC

    Damn Iphone

    …. people may not want..

  58. Slayer of Memes

    DARE TO BARE! Bizarre moment [email protected] woman gets out of a car and casually walks into a petrol station to buy a beer
    I wonder where she kept the money?

    In her pocket, obviously….

  59. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    viewer discretion advised – don’t click on link if you’re squeamish

    The United Kingdom’s surge of the previously unheard of phenomenon of acid attacks has seen an average of 15 a week over the past three years, with the vast majority taking place in the crime-struck capital, London. There were 2,602 acid attacks in Britain between January 2015 and May 2018, the equivalent of 15 a week, according to government figures accessed by The Mirror newspaper.

  60. Nick

    Both the facts at hand regarding the samurai sword murder in Sydney and the media playing back up for the ‘distressed’ female involved, is weird.

  61. JC

    Zipperhead.

    Are you back to posting Liveleak porn? I thought we banged that shit out of you, no?

  62. Crossie

    According to Andrew Bokt as many as 10 Liberal MPs could vote against NEG.

    Are there really only 10 sane MPs in Canberra?

  63. Crossie

    Oops, it’s Bolt, not Bokt.

  64. Rae

    Glick says he “unaware of any withholding of information”. That is a clear response to the assertion the lawyer put at trial.

    No. Try not to dissemble. The only lawyer mentioned in the interview, for about 5 seconds, was Kennedy Jnr.

  65. Baldrick

    Are there really only 10 sane Conservative MPs in Canberra?

    FIFY

  66. cohenite

    Westminster now a terrorist attack.

  67. Rae

    Farmer Gez. Your good buddy, the resident Twitter roach, thinks you’ve been caught out stretching the truth and should throw in the towel. Maybe you should spray the roach with Roundup.

  68. JC

    Stimson

    I don’t where you stand, but over the few years there’s a retinue of retards and imbeciles constantly attacking libertarians and the LDP. So far, David L has been the only stand up senator I’ve ever seen in Australian politics. I just thought it would an opportune time to kick a few arses with this little reminder. No biggie. I’m heading out for lunch anyway, so things should quieten down.

  69. Rae

    Zipperhead.

    Are you back to posting Liveleak porn? I thought we banged that shit out of you, no?

    Meh. Zippy is infatuated with Cock Hero. His hands start shaking whenever he thinks of it. He can’t stop mentioning it here.

  70. Farmer Gez

    Rae.
    Chvastek summarised the assertions put at trial and Glick answered that.
    She was running a short interview not a trial and she didn’t mention the said lawyers name but clearly relayed the substance of the accusation to Glick.
    I was running off memory and got the content pretty right. I also posted yesterday about the cat fight between Virginia Trioli and Marieke Hardy on radio from memory. Bolt ran it today, complete with podcast. Once again I was pretty spot on. I am not a bullshit artist.

  71. .

    Well done DL. Balls of steel and embarrassing his colleagues on his left, which there are many.

  72. Chris

    Stimpy, in regard of that NSFW pic I dont really see where you are coming from. I hate to pile on or try to approach the issue from a back door, so I will just wish you felicity this evening.

  73. Death Giraffe

    Went to the eye and ear hospital yesterday.
    Boody useless.
    Packed to the ceiling with people trying to get out of paying for treatment.
    Four hour wait, the bird tells me.
    So I ask her where I should go for private treatment.
    Opthamologist, she says.
    So home I go to ring opthamologists.
    But not before walking through Melbourne, to notice the denizens thereof are even more worrying than previously, and break down into four categories:
    1. Wearing shoes, no socks.
    2. Furriners.
    3. Homeless.
    4. Neck tattoos.
    Need a referal.
    Go to GP, who rather than write a referal to opthamologist, decides to do some amateur experiment on my eyeball without the nescesary equipment.
    Should have endured the four hour wait at eye and ear.

  74. Boambee John

    JC at 1854

    when we know the only way to raise real wages is through a rise in productivity

    How do we increase productivity by bringing in large numbers of unskilled workers to an economy with a declining number of unskilled jobs? Perhaps by requiring Centrelink staff and social workers to attend to a greater number of “clients” each day, but all that is doing is increasing the productivity of the tax eaters you despise

    Perhaps if we stopped bring in unskilled immigrants we could improve the productivity of social workers and Centrelink staff by making them redundant, and having them seek jobs outside government employment?

  75. cohenite

    Slayer of Memes

    #2789000, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    Senator Leyonhjelm’s response in the Senate, prior to the (successful) censure motion against him…

    So the motion was successful? The government didn’t back it. What did PHON and Cory do?

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    Senator Leyonhjelm’s response in the Senate, prior to the (successful) censure motion against him…

    This one’s shorter:

  77. Rae

    Chvastek summarised the assertions put at trial and Glick answered that.

    Scuse me, FG. That ain’t what you said last night. No sirree. You were quite specific in your wrongology, as I pointed out at the top of this page tonight.

  78. Mater

    Four hour wait, the bird tells me.

    So it would have been six.

    Have you been angle grinding without PPE again?

  79. .

    The notion that increased capital intensity can only be brought to capacity by “skilled” labour is certainly contentious and least ambiguous as a theory but in practice is always a matter of a case by case basis.

  80. When was it, I wonder, that Abetz and Andrews lost their factional clout? Turnbull used to run scared of them, they basically dictated his policy for a year or two. Now they seem to have lost their numbers. Maybe the whole thing was a charade from the start, and Turnbull finally called their bluff? Or there might have been a realignment behind the next leader. Still wary of Morro on that score, as incompetence was never disqualifying in the Liberal Party, but it was obvious that the list of naysayers on the NEG was missing one prominent name: Dutton.

  81. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So the motion was successful? The government didn’t back it. What did PHON and Cory do?

    The government and crossbenchers Fraser Anning, Cory Bernardi, Brian Burston and Pauline Hanson voted with Senator Leyonhjelm against the motion, saying it was not warranted on this occasion, while Labor and crossbencher Derryn Hinch voted with the Greens to censure him.

    Centre Alliance senators Stirling Griff and Rex Patrick, One Nation senator Peter Georgiou and South Australian independent Tim Storer abstained.

    From the Oz.

  82. Rae

    I am not a bullshit artist.

    Lol

  83. Top Ender

    The barrister appointed to investigate bullying allegations against Labor MP Emma Husar faces complaints from former staffers who believe his findings have been played down by the ALP, and also distorted by calculated advance leaks to disadvantage their cause.

    John Whelan, who conducted a six-month inquiry for the NSW ALP into Ms Husar’s alleged behaviour, will meet disgruntled ex-staffers of the federal MP this week to brief them on his findings.

    Representatives of the ex-staff group numbering more than 20 say their main concern is how a detailed letter that the barrister sent to Ms Husar in May outlining all allegations came to be leaked to the BuzzFeed website late in the investigation process.

    They will ask Mr Whelan who in the ALP, apart from Ms Husar, might have had access to the con­fidential letter, and might be responsible for leaking.

    Staffers have full confidence in Mr Whelan, who is believed to be angry about the leak and its potential to compromise his inquiry.

    But the impact of the leak, they claim, was to take public attention away from what they considered the most serious allegations of systematic bullying and harassment of staff, and to instead focus on several salacious allegations that formed only a tiny part of their complaints. “What we told John Whelan was meant to be confidential for our protection. It was never to be public,” one said.

    Ms Husar, re-endorsed this year for her western Sydney seat of Lindsay at the next election, said last Wednesday she would not contest her seat at the election but would stay on until then.

    There are fears at senior levels of the NSW ALP, which wants her to go, that Ms Husar might now be reconsidering her future as some local supporters call for her to run again, and feminist commentators such as Jane Caro and Julia Baird rally behind her.

    When the NSW ALP released a summary of Mr Whelan’s interim findings on Friday, two days after her exit announcement, Ms Husar seized on how she had been “cleared” of the “most malicious and damaging” allegations related to lewd conduct and sexual harassment. She said she did not believe any of the summary findings, including those giving “merit” to staff allegations about unreasonable management, should have cost her job.

    The assessment by Mr Whelan that there was “no basis for Ms Husar to resign from … parliament” has fuelled consternation she may now want to stay put.

    That possibility has prompted the NSW party head office to say her public comments last week about quitting were equivalent to formal notice. Several lawyers familiar with party rules say Ms Husar remains the endorsed candidate for Lindsay until the ALP receives a letter saying she relinquishes her endorsement.

    The party wants to head off debate by holding a fresh preselection as quickly as possible, but it lacks an obvious replacement.

    Bill Shorten, still outwardly supporting Ms Husar despite ­adverse findings on staff bullying, appeared yesterday to accept she would be leaving her seat when he thanked her for her contribution to the ALP during a speech to caucus recognising departing MPs.

    Ms Husar is on extended leave and was not present.

    No comments allowed at the Oz

  84. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle at 1918

    Not only does he have near-perfect progressive credentials (rich, elitist & green)

    Only the rich can afford to be socialists. I suspect that JC might be, but wisely doesn’t want to be. I rather doubt that m0nty is.

  85. Death Giraffe

    Have you been angle grinding without PPE again?

    ..
    I’m not sure.
    It is either that or the rust converter I splashed into it.

  86. Eyrie

    Dot, if you like the Space Marine theme, check out Semper Mars and Luna Marine by Ian Douglas, although I did like Greg Bears’s coinage of the term “Skyrine” in the War Dogs trilogy. Unfortunately that was about the best thing in the entire trilogy. Bear can be better than that. Check out “Vitals” and “Quantico”.

  87. Boambee John

    JC might be rich enough

  88. max

    Westminster now a terrorist attack.

    It’s a probe to test the barriers and the response.

    Small car didn’t succeed.

    Next time they will use something bigger and start with a distraction nearby.

  89. Farmer Gez

    Go to GP, who rather than write a referal to opthamologist, decides to do some amateur experiment on my eyeball without the nescesary equipment.
    Should have endured the four hour wait at eye and ear.

    I’ve got a bit of steel in the white of one eye. Annoys me if I’m tired but I not letting any GP near it.
    What have you done to yourself DG?

  90. Death Giraffe

    For sure it isn’t much, but until I get a real injury on camera that goes viral, yiz will just have to make do with some minor eye irritation.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    Catallaxy right now as seen by an outside observer

    Which one is you?

  92. mh

    Westminster terrorist is African.

  93. Confused Old Misfit

    Death Giraffe
    #2789030, posted on August 14, 2018 at 8:21 pm

    Stop being a stupid bugger and put on some safety glasses and wear gloves. Dear God they’re both cheap enough!

  94. Snoopy

    Which one is you?

    Stimpy’s not there. Obviously.

  95. None

    My fear is that Labor will vote for the NEG anyway so whatever opposition there is from within the liberal ranks will be irrelevant.. In fact the charlatan and closeted Lefty Chris Kenny is arguing they should actually vote for NEG so that they can better represent the Lemming Unity party than the Libs. Kenny by the way is no conservative and as he has admitted, he voted for the Nuclear Disarmament Party once.

  96. Baldrick

    It is either that or the rust converter I splashed into it.

    If only you were wearing a hi-viz vest.

  97. Farmer Gez

    Shopping for quality safety gear is good fun for a bloke.
    The comfy wear all day stuff is on the dear side but well worth it.

  98. mh

    CNN’s Chris Cillizza Falls for Peter Strzok Parody Twitter Account

    CNN Politics Reporter and Editor-at-Large Chris Cillizza shared a post from a fake account pretending to be fired FBI special agent Peter Strzok, boosting salacious claims hours after Strzok confirmed his termination on a different, legitimate account.
    Why did Cillizza skip the most basic of due diligence? It may have been that the post he shared would have meant Strzok accused President Donald Trump of being “a Russian asset” — total catnip to Russia-obsessed CNN….

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/08/13/cnn-chris-cillizza-peter-strzok-parody/

  99. Death Giraffe

    There was s foreman during my apprenticeship.
    Almost never wore safety glasses.
    One day he was shapening a drill on a grinding wheel, and just for once happened to have glasses on when the wheel exploded and a large chunk of grindstone embedded intoself into the glass’s lens over his right eye.
    Next day he was back there again. Grinding away. No glasses.

  100. Slayer of Memes

    Cohenite,

    Labor and the Greens teamed up for a 30-28 victory on the vote. PHON and Bernardi joined with the Coalition to vote with Leyonhjelm.

    Given that ALP-GRN have a combined 35 seats (but only 30 votes), with LNP 31, PHON 2, AC 1, and LDP 1 (combined 35 also, minus 1 for the Senate President, but only 28 votes) it seems that several of those in the major parties, as well as Durr-in Hunch, Xenophone’s Central Aliens, Krazy Katters Krew, and the other ‘crossbenchers’ were either busy in committee (or didn’t give enough of a shit either way) to vote…

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Durr-in Hunch, Xenophone’s Central Aliens, Krazy Katters Krew, and the other ‘crossbenchers’ were either busy in committee (or didn’t give enough of a shit either way) to vote…

    The Australian cites Hunch as voting with the Greens.

  102. 132andBush

    Todays brew:
    Agritone LVE 570 @ 700ml/ha

    Lontrel Advanced @ 150ml/ha

    Mandate herbicide @ 210ml/ha

    Metsun 600 @ 7g/ha

    Surewet 1000 @ 100ml/100l

    Water rate 90l/ha
    No Roundup, so I may survive to Christmas.

  103. Confused Old Misfit

    Next day he was back there again. Grinding away. No glasses.

    Hey! Playing the odds! New wheel. Not going to shatter for a while yet!

    Bloody fool!

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Teen arrested in Oakleigh East, Melbourne, after police find an AK47 and drugs

    Sam Buckingham-Jones
    Journalist
    20 minutes ago August 14, 2018

    An 18-year-old man has been arrested in Melbourne after police found a suspected AK47 assault rifle, as well as drugs and a fake firearm, in an afternoon raid in the city’s southeast.

    Detectives from the Victoria Police South Metro Crime Team found cannabis and the weapons at a home in Oakleigh East around 1.15pm this afternoon. The teenager is assisting police with their inquiries.

    It is the second AK47 found by Victorian police in days, after a youth gang with members as young as 14 was broken up last week in the same area after a spate of armed carjackings and robberies. Today’s arrest was the result of a separate investigation, a Victoria Police spokesman said, and was unrelated to last week’s raids.

    From the Oz. What’s a “suspected AK47”, FFS. It’s either an AK47, or it isn’t.

  105. Steve trickler

    Dr.Jordan Peterson VS Skyler Turden!

    A reaction to the Alex Jones saga.



  106. Snoopy

    What’s a ‘fake firearm’? A kid’s plastic toy?

  107. jupes

    What’s a “suspected AK47”, FFS. It’s either an AK47, or it isn’t.

    I suppose they don’t want to offend other AK47s if it turns out to be something else.

  108. Slayer of Memes

    Didn’t see that Zulu. I avoid the Paywallian…

    I stand corrected.

  109. John Constantine

    https://www.beefcentral.com/live-export/se-asia-report/southeast-asia-market-report-june-2018-2/

    A look at how important and profitable the great religious festivals of slaughter are.

    [ I do not supply this market]

    Rates are 25% gross up at least for festival stock higher than normal, which is heaps of profit%.

    A big black shiny billy goat, shampooed daily is worth near 300 bucks.

    A big shiny red bull, washed daily is close to 3 grand.

    Photos in the article of stock being prepared for the end of august festival.

  110. feelthebern

    If Finkelstein had been legislated, Arky’s car restoration videos could have been regulated by Stephen Conroy.

  111. jupes

    Let’s not forget that the savages have started using grenades in Victoria as well.

    Diversity, what’s not to like?

  112. feelthebern

    The best thing financially to ever happen to Alex Jones was his being “de-platformed”.
    He is such a crack pot, but quickly becoming a lot wealthier crack pot.

  113. mh

    In 1980’s Britain, acid was the latest craze:

    Phuture – Acid Tracks
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUPc9zVfyo

    Now with cultural enrichment, the acid craze means disfiguring people for life.

  114. feelthebern

    Chris Kenny is being a dick tonight on PM Live.

  115. Zatara

    The State Government and senior police believe the recently introduced firearms prohibition orders will quell the spread of illegal guns in the underworld, and could reduce the number of shootings.

    So now illegal guns are what? Double secret illegal?

    Yeah, that’ll do it.

  116. H B Bear

    I am starting to come around on Turnbull. Anyone who can trigger you lot like he has today can’t be all bad.

    No coming around required mUnty, Waffles has always been one of yours from the first day he went crawling to Hawke to find a safe seat. Unlike The Father of Middle Class Welfare, Hawke had the good sense to tell him to p1ss off.

    Doddering geriatric Howard compounded the error by convincing him to stay as he and Hyacinth Bucket took the Lieborals straight over the cliff. Costello knew exactly who he was dealing with and took the first exit available.

  117. Slayer of Memes

    David Speers
    ‏Verified account
    @David_Speers

    Andrew Gee and Barry O’Sullivan also reserving position to cross the floor on NEG legislation. So we’re now up to 8 Coalition MPs / Senators threatening to cross floor. Anyone else?

    4:18 pm – 14 Aug 2018

    Potential Greatness. Stable Leadership.

  118. cohenite

    Chris Kenny is being a dick tonight on PM Live.

    A multiculturalist dickhead. I’m warming to Fraser Anning.

  119. Slayer of Memes

    Also, anyone else see/hear anything confirming/denying the following:

    Sky News: “The Met Police are not immediately commenting on whether the terror suspect’s car was being followed.”

    “It comes as footage appears to show police vans with their lights flashing behind the car shortly before it crashes.”

  120. Des Deskperson

    David Brown, who replaced ACT Senator Gallagher – pronounced ‘Gellaheur’ – after the latter resignation for failure to comply with s.44, is now seeking preselection for the new ACT HoR seat of Bean

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/david-smith-to-leave-senate-to-nominate-for-lower-house/10119648

    Brown is a nice bloke, although I would hardly call him charismatic – many of the people who worked with him back in the ACT Public Service the I was there couldn’t remember him – but he is right faction and certainly a better choice that the Vinnies Maxist-Leninist.

  121. I am starting to come around on Turnbull. Anyone who can trigger you lot like he has today can’t be all bad.

    Muttley never saw a loser he wouldn’t back.

  122. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECXWRijOgc

    We love everybody equally at the cat, even gay koalas.

  123. Elle

    feelthebern,

    I’ve always thought Chris Kenny was a dick. He was highly critical of areff back when areff spoke the truth.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/quadrant-online-editor-roger-franklin-laments-that-manchester-blast-was-not-against-abc-20170524-gwbreb.html

  124. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Are you back to posting Liveleak porn? I thought we banged that shit out of you, no?

    brietbart

  125. H B Bear

    According to Andrew Bokt as many as 10 Liberal MPs could vote against NEG.

    Bolt’s record of prediction is somewhere up there with mUnty. I’d venture the number will be closer to zero in each house. The Lieboral lemmings are going down with the SS Waffleworth.

  126. cohenite

    Labor and the Greens teamed up for a 30-28 victory on the vote. PHON and Bernardi joined with the Coalition to vote with Leyonhjelm.

    Pity about Anning.

  127. testpattern

    re the ANC list of farms targeted for expropriation –

    The Australian Connection

    ‘The first two farms on the list are Lukin and Salaita belonging to Akkerland Boerdery. The two farms lie are located on top of the Makhado coal reef worth about R70 billion… in 2014 Akkerland Boerdery was summoned in a High Court case by the the Australian based Coal of Africa Ltd [Perth] to allow their prospectors and employees access to Lukin and Salaika.’

    History of Australian based Coal of Africa v Akkerland Boerdery farms

    https://cer.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Coal-of-Africa-Ltd-v-Akkerland-Boerdery.pdf

    ‘Akkerland Boerdery (Pty) Ltd is a 3200 ha game farm’

    http://akkerlandhunting.co.za/

  128. Myrddin Seren

    Top Ender

    Breaking….Genoa bridge COLLAPSE: IMMENSE TRAGEDY declared as Italy motorway FALLS hundreds of metres

    Genuine thanks for the public service announcement.

    Daughter No.3 on her post-grad o/s tour is literally on the bus between Milan and Nice today – so going via Genoa may have been on the cards.

    They must have wifi on the bus, because she just reported back in safe-and-well.

    The Good Lady Wife and I can sleep better knowing her bus was not on the span at the time. Much thanks.

    The Romans built bridges that have stood for 2000 years. What the hell has happened to the Europeans ?!

  129. Baldrick

    Hahaha, Fatty Trump gives Omarosa a whack …

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    When you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the White House, I guess it just didn’t work out. Good work by General Kelly for quickly firing that dog!

    Cue Leftard head explosions for calling a woman a dog.

  130. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Another terrorist attack in London…These animals are crazy and must be dealt with through toughness and strength!

  131. Oh come on

    Good docco on the Black Buck bombing raid during the Falklands War. The impact the raid had on the eventual outcome of the war is debatable, but two things stand out for me:

    1) the long distance bombing raid was an incredible logistical feat
    2) the Vulcan is perhaps the most beautiful aircraft that ever took to the skies. Definitely top three.

  132. Steve trickler

    Well done Steven Crowder, a.k.a Skyler Turden.

    Link above is having fun on YT.
    Peterson played the part wonderfully.

    Original.



  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good docco on the Black Buck bombing raid during the Falklands War. The impact the raid had on the eventual outcome of the war is debatable, but two things stand out for me:

    I’m bookmarking that one, thank you. I do remember that the “Black Buck” raids put the airstrip at Port Stanley out of action for the rest of the war.

  134. rickw

    The Romans built bridges that have stood for 2000 years. What the hell has happened to the Europeans ?!

    Bridge design used to be structural integrity overlayed with some aesthetics. Now it’s aesthetics overlayed with some structural integrity.

  135. Infidel Tiger

    Genoa looks like a third world slum.

  136. rickw

    It is the first time a hand grenade explosion has been investigated in the state’s history, Victoria Police believe, underlining the fears of senior officers that underworld figures are increasingly accessing military-grade weapons.

    Military grade weapons for The People would be an appropriate response.

  137. MsDolittle

    Just got home from Bob. It was ace!

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    2) the Vulcan is perhaps the most beautiful aircraft that ever took to the skies. Definitely top three.

    One of the V bombers – Vulcan, Valiant or Victor, I can’t remember which – had a different method of crew escape. Pilot and co – pilot had ejector seats, which had to be used simultaneously, while the navigator and bomb aimer had to “bail out” in the old fashioned way, through a hatch. There were several cases where pilot and co – pilot were killed, having left it too late to eject, while the navigator and bomb aimer “bailed out” but there was never a single case where the pilot and co – pilot took to “the gunpowder chair” and left the remaining crew to fend for themselves…it’s all those “Battle of Britain” films….

  139. rickw

    It is the second AK47 found by Victorian police in days,

    When the first fresh looking example turned up, I did comment that where there was one, there was probably many.

  140. Crossie

    Malcolm’s 440 million dollar Great Barrier Reef gift will become as infamous as the bottom of the harbour schemes. What is egregious is that nobody in the cabinet stopped him. I expected no better from Malcolm but what were Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg thinking? They have destroyed all credibility they ever had by allying themselves with that charlatan. To beat them all any determined future opponent needs to do is remind the public of their active participation in the Turnbull government.

  141. Crossie

    The Romans built bridges that have stood for 2000 years. What the hell has happened to the Europeans ?!

    Corruption. Everybody even remotely connected with the project had to make money.

  142. cohenite

    A demorat obuma appointee judge, female, one sarah backus, has released five alleged Muslim extremists who are accused of training children to carry out school shootings on bond after one of their attorneys complained that the men were only being targeted because they’re “black and Muslim,” as opposed to “white and Christian.”

    Impeccable judicial reasoning underpinned the releases:

    However, one attorney argued that the men were victims of Islamophobia and racism, commenting, “The NRA right now are telling us that guns are a good thing and that we should be training our teenagers to go ahead and use them, but now that we have someone who’s actually do that, and they’re not white, and they’re not Christian we think there’s some nefarious plan.”

    “No one would bat an eye” if the men were white Christians, added Thomas Clark, attorney for Siraj Wahhaj.

    Judge Backus appeared to show sympathy towards the alleged jihadists when she remarked, “Many people here live in unconventional ways.”

    I might sound cynical but one hopes the judge or her family meet some of the people she has released back on the community on their terms.

  143. H B Bear

    How the Aboriginal Industry shakedown system works. Link.

    Just like regular white fella rent seeking only better.

  144. H B Bear

    Another one for Dr Graegooglery MD QC, consulting structural engineer.

  145. Mark A

    PayPal works.
    Some justice, I didn’t expect.

    I mentioned here, that I was cheated by an online vendor (China) who sent me a quite inferior substitute of an item I bought online and when I complained he stipulated a return method that would have cost more than the whole purchase price.

    An obvious attempt to put me off.

    Paypal has an “Escalate” procedure if the disagreement can’t be solved.
    Following the oft repeated advice on the cat to ‘escalate’, I did.

    The result;

    Your seller has issued a refund of $59.98 USD to you, and this case (Case ID PP-007-153-526-903) has been closed. If you paid with a credit or debit card, the amount is refunded to your card. It can take up to 30 days for the refund to appear on your card statement.

  146. rickw

    I reckon that if fatty’s crew turns up a third fresh looking AK-47 in the next week, there’s a decent chance that there’s also some RPG’s out there. If some of our African entrepreneurs have tapped into a reliable source of AK-47’s and have established a method of getting them in, then that source is likely to have the complete Soviet small arms package available for purchase.

  147. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    When the first fresh looking example turned up, I did comment that where there was one, there was probably many.

    Some entrepreneur was importing Chinese Type 56 Assault rifles – a copy of the AK47 – modified to semi auto only – into Queensland several years ago. I’m wondering if these are what’s described as “AK47’s” and whether they’ve been converted back to a fully auto capability.

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Which one is you?

    Far left corner of the photo slowly backing out of frame.

  149. None

    Jordan Peterson only tangentially touched on the real issue with platforms like YouTube and Twitter bouncing people off. Twitter for example advertises itself as only responsible for the platform not for the content but by making this sort of content decision they are now taking ownership of all the other crap on there including all the Jihadi crap, all the violent misogynistic crap, etc and I think good lawyers will now be able to make a case to start suing the bastards.

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I reckon that if fatty’s crew turns up a third fresh looking AK-47 in the next week, there’s a decent chance that there’s also some RPG’s out there

    I bear Victoria Police no personal animosity, but if one of Fatty Ashton’s police vehicles cops an RPG -7 round into the cab, do you think their thinking might change?

  151. Whalehunt Fun

    Sonner the better, None, sooner the better.

  152. Makka

    they are now taking ownership of all the other crap on there including all the Jihadi crap, all the violent misogynistic crap, etc and I think good lawyers will now be able to make a case to start suing the bastards.

    And by pure coincidence I see NBC are recently providing instructions on how to permanently delete old tweets. As a community service of course.

  153. JC

    Wifey told me the David L/ orca dust up was reported in the NYT. Lol.

  154. Oh come on

    Black Buck’s major consequence was in its propaganda impact. It signalled very clearly to the Argies that the UK was hell-bent on retaking the islands and had the power projection capacity to do so.

    Some argue that the damaged runway prevented the Argies from launching Mirages from it. They weren’t that far away when being launched from the mainland, though.

    I think Black Buck served as a powerful signal of intent moreso than anything else.

  155. .

    Yes!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/world/australia/sarah-hanson-young-shagging-lawsuit.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/08/02/world/asia/02reuters-australia-politics-sexualdiscrimination.html

    Apparently telling someone that associating and loving men after saying many times, words to the effect, “all men are pigs and rpaists” to point out hypocrisy, is “sexual harassment”.

  156. .

    Fewer than a third of Australian lawmakers are women, and some experts said the controversy over Mr. Leyonhjelm’s remarks was likely to deter more women from entering politics.

    Another unsourced NYT editorialisation, like a Kwiggan or Krugman article with no data.

  157. John Constantine

    As to who matters in the “blow up” stakes in yarragrad.

    We don’t see bollards of diversity protecting kinders and coppers.

    It is our craven politicals cowering behind concrete.

    Taking out a political transport helicopter with a RPG would only be sad because of the loss of the pilot.

    Imagine the reaction to a revolutionary RPG reaming out their ABC bully pulpit.

    Comrades.

  158. JC

    Fewer than a third of Australian lawmakers are women, and some experts said the controversy over Mr. Leyonhjelm’s remarks was likely to deter more women from entering politics.

    lol, as though it’s a bad thing.

  159. Infidel Tiger

    Did no one proof read that idiot Anning’s speech and think maybe the phrase “final solution” could have been removed?

    Every single good point he made has now been lost.

    Once again I am convinced that idiots like him are left wing plants whose job is to ensure the immigration ponzi and multi-culti suicide rolls ever onward.

  160. JC

    Artie

    Why assume it wasn’t deliberate? I wouldn’t put anything past idiots in that poor excuse of a political party.

  161. Steve trickler

    It will offend today. How dare they judge! ( :



  162. None

    Did no one proof read that idiot Anning’s speech and think maybe the phrase “final solution” could have been removed?

    While I suspect that someone of Anning’s vintage should know better do not underestimate the historical ignorance of today’s chattering class including all the politicos staffers. I would say there would be millions of Australians who are totally unaware of the extent of the horror of the Holocaust.

  163. zyconoclast

    WordPress shuts down Fellowship of the Minds

    WordPress shuts down Fellowship of the Minds
    August 14, 2018 by Dr. Eowyn

    What I had feared and expected finally happened.

    Minutes ago upon waking up this morning, I discovered that WordPress has unilaterally and without warning shut down Fellowship of the Minds for alleged violations of “Terms of Service”.

    WordPress suspends FOTM

    I have sent a request to WordPress asking them to account for just what “Terms of Service” FOTM is found to have violated. In my request, I reminded the owner, administrators and staff of WordPress that WP’s information censorship against a conservative blog, once undertaken, can and will be used against them in the future.

    The signs are now clear that the Left are silencing all conservative voices before the November mid-term elections where Democrats will steal the election with MASSIVE voter fraud.

    I will explore finding another server for FOTM. In the meantime, I am using this other WordPress blog I have (but never used), as the interim Fellowship of the Minds.

    Please pray for America.

  164. Top Ender

    ‘Jealousy’ driving attacks on SAS hero: Vietnam War VC Keith Payne

    ANDREW BURRELL
    WA CHIEF REPORTER

    Australia’s oldest living Victoria Cross recipient, Keith Payne, who risked his life to save 40 men during a bloody battle in Vietnam, says “jealousy” could be behind ­attempts by some disgruntled soldiers to discredit fellow VC winner Ben Roberts-Smith.

    Mr Payne, 84, received Australia’s highest military honour for his actions in rescuing Australian, US and Vietnamese soldiers while under sustained enemy fire during the Battle of Ben Het in 1969. He was also awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, the US Army’s second-highest medal for gallantry after the Medal of ­Honour, for his “extraordinary heroism”.

    Mr Payne told The Australian yesterday that soldiers who had served their nation in past conflicts were never subjected to long-­running investigations such as the one being conducted by the ­Inspector-General of Defence into allegations of misconduct by the SAS in Afghanistan.

    “This thing has been under ­investigation and to my mind it’s seven years old,” Mr Payne said from his home in Mackay.

    “Why don’t they investigate the bombing over Berlin, the collateral damage that would have taken place? War is a terrible thing, mate. A lot of things happen in war. You lose mates, you lose this, you lose that, and you get quite bloody angry as a matter of fact.”

    Stressing that he had no specific knowledge of the SAS investigation, Mr Payne said he believed it was unfair on Mr Roberts-Smith that allegations of his conduct and character had emerged in news ­reports before the official inquiry had been completed.

    Fairfax Media has raised serious allegations about Mr Roberts-Smith, including his involvement in bullying fellow soldiers and the abuse of civilians in Afghanistan. Mr Roberts-Smith vehemently denies the allegations.

    Mr Payne said some soldiers might be envious that Mr Roberts-Smith was awarded the VC for his gallantry in an attack on Taliban machine gunners during an operation in Oruzgan province in 2010.

    “Jealousy is a bloody curse … is it a case of ‘I should have got (a medal) and so I will start something?’ Sometimes there’s a bit of a jealousy rage because of the awards,” Mr Payne said.

    “With the process that’s going on at the moment, how come it’s gone out to the media? That, for a start, is all confidential and it should not have gone out to the media in any form until such time as there’s a decision made.”

    Mr Payne said he agreed with comments by former defence minister Brendan Nelson, who yesterday warned of the consequences of tearing down Mr Roberts-Smith.

    “Ben, like others before him, put their foot forward to try and save their mates, and that’s what you do,” Mr Payne said. “He was a patrol commander, it was his responsibility to ensure that his troops came out of it. It all works down to one bloody word: responsibility, and the acceptance of it.

    “I have visited Afghanistan twice and I have seen or heard of no ill-treatment of Afghans or anybody else.”

    Mr Payne received his VC from the Queen aboard the Royal Yacht Britannia in Brisbane in 1970. He is the only living recipient of the Imperial Victoria Cross, which is now the VC for Australia.

    On May 24, 1969, Mr Payne was commanding special forces troops in Kontum Province when they were attacked by the North Vietnamese. Mr Payne’s Vietnamese troops began to fall back. Wounded and under enemy fire, he managed to hold off the enemy by firing his weapons and throwing grenades. He then spent three hours looking for wounded soldiers, eventually finding 40 men in enemy-held terrain and bringing them in. He refused to be evacuated until all other wounded had left the area.

    Oz link

  165. Top Ender

    Four injured as Afghan asylum-seeker launches knife rampage in sleepy French town

    Incident started when man, 19, started attacking vehicles in Perigueux, France
    Paramedics tried to calm the Afghan national, who has psychological problems
    But he returned with a knife and stabbed them and two neighbours in their 60s
    He was eventually overpowered and arrested with police ruling out terror motive

  166. BorisG

    Bridge design used to be structural integrity overlayed with some aesthetics. Now it’s aesthetics overlayed with some structural integrity.

    Not in an industrial park.

  167. BorisG

    Once again I am convinced that idiots like him are left wing plants whose job is to ensure the immigration ponzi and multi-culti suicide rolls ever onward.

    That is way too sophisticated a scheme to orgchestarte. A simpler expanation is that only morons like this support your position on immigration.

  168. None

    Wednesday’s DT front page

    COSTLY ARMY BID TO RECRUIT TEENS USING VILE TWITS

    EXCLUSIVE 
    DEFENCE has wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars hiring videogamers to publish pro-army posts in a bid to help recruit teens. But after The Daily Telegraph found the “influencers” had a history of racist, sexist and gay slurs, it said it would stop “immediately”.

    This after funding all the useless bikini twits to tell women to get off their backsides. However this is doubly a waste of money because the army is actively not recruiting young men. It almost convinced me that Gillard and her Greens were running this government.

  169. None

    I feel we are nver going to see men like Keith Payne again.

  170. None

    Tony Maher, president of the nation’s militant CFMMEU has urged state and federal Labor to get ­behind the NEG.

    you know the NEHG is an absolutely shockingly bad idea if the CFMEU is backing it. But that’s the fear that the lives will get it up with Labor support. Turnbull is that stupid that he would wear those optics.

  171. None

    Henderson, idiot child Zimmerman and his gay fanboy Wilson – all the people I warned and warned about years ago https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-isolated-in-a-meeting-that-put-a-premium-on-unity-20180814-p4zxgc.html
    The Unity of Lemmings.

  172. None

    That better not be Miranda Devine complaining that Abbott said too little too late about the neg after she has spent the last couple of years telling him (and his supporters) to shut up and go away. Well done Miranda, your toy boy has given us gay marriage, the end of the confessional seal, about to give us euthanasia topped off with an economy destroying NEG. Keep fellating that chicken, girlfriend.

  173. 2dogs

    The notion that increased capital intensity can only be brought to capacity by “skilled” labour is certainly contentious and least ambiguous as a theory but in practice is always a matter of a case by case basis.

    This notion is made true by regulation. The “social licence to operate”. That term is the shibboleth of rent-seekers.

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dave, glad to see in your comment way back that we are following your family around in our travels.

    Currently we’ve just left Trondheim on this Hurtigruten ‘ferry’, for that is what it actually is, a ferry masquerading as a cruise ship or vice versa. They do take passengers from one of the 33 stops to another as well as taking people on ‘full board’ to the top of the line and back again to Bergen. All the crew are Norwegian and thus everything is priced according to Norwegian wages and taxes; I dare not consider Hairy’s alcohol bill or even mine, for that matter. The ship is kitted out like one of the big Mediterranean ferries, quite pleasant, and enough like a cruise liner in its set up, as they offer ‘tours’ at various stops. Many Americans on board, plus the Norwegians, and a sprinkling of others, including Australians.

    We visited the Cathedral in Trontheim on one of these tours this morning. A beautiful medieval foundation extended throughout even into the nineteenth century, and very classic in its Gothic cum Romanesque forms. All denominations of Christianity are welcome to use it. Basically it is a shrine to St. Olaf, the patron saint of Norway, a king in the late 900’s ad who introduced Christianity by the sword and force, and not without resistance from the traditional religious system of Viking times and before. Olaf was killed in battle against opposing forces in a great political contest, not one just about religion, as under the influence of the great Viking English King Cnut Norway became fully Christianised not much later. Wider European market forces were working strongly against the Odinic team by then. Olaf’s grave is now a major centre of pilgrimage from Denmark and Sweden, increasing in numbers each year. Young people in russet robes, rather like academic monks, talked us around the details and features of the place. They were utterly charming, keen, bright-eyed and knowledgeable. Seniors from the local Cathedral school perhaps? Or some of the forty thousand university students who comprise one in five of the population of Trondheim, Norway’s third largest city. Like Bergen, a wooden trading port, grown up now but still subject to fire, as most building is still done in wood.

    We then went to a rather remarkable manor house which has been turned into a museum of musical instruments, now set next to a Museum of Music which continues the theme. It was commenced in the 30’s and 40’s by the owner’s widow, who gathered instruments from all ages, with some particularly fine violins, harpsichords and pianos set out in the rooms of the manor, a faint and not unpleasant smell of painted wooden floors, some covered with old-fashioned oilcloth, permeating the whole house. Dark printed wallpapers and lace curtains of the 18th and 19th century periods with brass, glass and china candelabras added to the atmosphere; a house once permeated with summertime musicales, the family sensibly retreating to an apartment in town during the winter. It must have been freezing cold at the manor; chilly enough in summer for us. Our tour guide, a fancy young man with romantic dark flopping hair and wearing a waistcoat, played for us on some of the instruments. In the middle of our enjoying a fine piece of Bach on the Harpsichord the security alarm went off and ruined it all. We had watched it all; a gardener had attempted entry into the room via the French doors and set it off. Silly man.

  175. Makka

    A simpler expanation is that only morons like this support your position on immigration.

    Spoken like a true immigrant.

  176. Bruce of Newcastle

    I like Chip Bok’s best. The Koch Bros have gone full TDS unfortunately, which kinda confuses the Dems who spent the last decade calling them worse than Cthulhu.

    Btw, Bok’s and Broelman’s have stuffed links Tom.

  177. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just rechecking, the Bok toon I saw is from 10 Aug. There’s now a 14 Aug one up too.

  178. Tom

    Thanks, Bruce. I’ll eventually get to the bottom of why these ‘toon occasionally come out wrong. Yes, it’s the second Chip Bok. And here’s Peter Broelman.

  179. Tom

    … ‘toon links. D’oh!

  180. JC

    No stock holding, just an opinion. I reckon Tesla stock is undervalued and going to make its way higher.

  181. Bruce of Newcastle

    A job is a job…

    San Francisco launching ‘Poop Patrol’ to clean up city sidewalks: Report

    San Francisco is reportedly launching a team of city workers dubbed the “Poop Patrol” next month in an effort to keep the city’s sidewalks clean.

    The San Francisco Chronicle reported Tuesday that Mayor London Breed and Public Works director Mohammed Nuru are assembling a team of five Public Works employees that will be tasked specifically with tracking down and cleaning up animal and human waste.

    Just this year, residents have called to report feces 14,597 times, averaging about 65 calls a day, the Chronicle reported.

    Interesting names. Maybe San Fran should be renamed London-on-the-Pacific.

  182. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There’s a bit on Tronheim up above, in moderation for some reason. I put it up a few hours ago, before dinner. Don’t know what harpsichords and pianos have about them that is dubious, but so be it. No doubt it will appear later.

    We have just watched the most extraordinary sunset as we ferry slowly up to the top of the world. It appears strangely flat looking , a moonscape out there, as I stand at 10.30 alone at a window looking out into the light dusk. We are passing through a channel where there are numerous small low rocky islands set in a thick glassy sea punctuated with small whirlpools, where to the west the clouds are a spreading out bright red as the chariot of heavenly fire glows from behind them. There is an otherworldly sense to it as we float, glide really, through what could be a space odyssey of another planet, unfamiliar, the bright bar behind us echoing blue light in some sort of Venusian fantasy from The Hitch-hikers Guide. We cross the line into the Arctic Circle tonight. Something in the air about that.

    There will be Vogan poetry next as those Germans and Brazilians transmogrify into other beings.

    I wonder what was in those red berries they fed us for dinner. 🙂

  183. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States is warning more economic pressures may be in store for Turkey if it refuses to release a jailed American pastor, a White House official said on Tuesday, in a dispute that has further strained relations between the NATO allies.

  184. Crossie

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States is warning more economic pressures may be in store for Turkey if it refuses to release a jailed American pastor, a White House official said on Tuesday, in a dispute that has further strained relations between the NATO allies.

    How Turkey is still in NATO is a mystery. George W Bush should have tossed them out when Turkey refused the US overflight rights during the Petraeus led operation in Iraq. The least W could have done in retaliation is give Kurds statehood.

    Funny, in comparison to Trump W does not come off that well but at least he is now being rehabilitated by MSM from being called McHitler.

  185. Elle

    Thanks Tom. That one was worth repeating. I like Gorrell’s this morning.

  186. John Constantine

    When will silly old caliph erdogan realise that he can save the Turkish economy by borrowing a couple of trillion dollars to build windmills and import ten million unskilled illiterate military age males from north Africa?.

  187. John Constantine

    The generosity of erdogan is unbounded.

    The Turkish economy is cratering, but he continues to gift the West with millions of economic saviours in the form of illiterate military age Wahhabi welfare services clients for the eurofilth Big Stalin Big State revolutionary miracle.

    Imagine the wealth flowing out his doors as they send turkey billions of welfare euros in remittances home from Europe and ruin his exchange rate.

    Comrades.

  188. Cassie of Sydney

    “None
    #2789143, posted on August 15, 2018 at 2:42 am
    That better not be Miranda Devine complaining that Abbott said too little too late about the neg after she has spent the last couple of years telling him (and his supporters) to shut up and go away. Well done Miranda, your toy boy has given us gay marriage, the end of the confessional seal, about to give us euthanasia topped off with an economy destroying NEG. Keep fellating that chicken, girlfriend.”

    I just don’t know what planet Devine is on. Whilst I can understand her criticism of the Abbott government, I simply cannot fathom her continued and banal persecution of Tony Abbott (that has actually now morphed into open hatred of Abbott) and her constant fellating of the current spineless and cretinous PM.

    And you wait…..next year, when the Lieborals lose in a catastrophic loss that will make Labor’s loss in 2013 look positively cushy…..Devine will still be fellating the chicken and will still be obsessively blaming and hating Abbott.

    She has lost ALL credibility.

  189. John Constantine

    Their abc run an organised crime story.

    Don’t worry, they will be back on their glyphosate crusade for the rest of the week.

    “Mr Oueida was described as “the new [Tony] Mokbel” by a judge after his arrest in 2011.

    It was alleged he had $6 million in a Swiss bank account, a light plane, a $2.8 million mansion, a Ferrari, and suspected property and business interests in Lebanon, the Solomon Islands, Abu Dhabi and Pakistan.

    Police believe he has wasted little time in returning to business since being released from prison, but may have curtailed his flamboyance in a bid to stay under the radar.

    He has been suspected of involvement in at least one significant drug importation since his release, but has not been charged by police.

    Mr Oueida was shot in April last year as he left lunchtime prayer at a mosque in Coburg. Two members of the Tiba family have been charged in relation to the shooting.

    Mr Oueida has been overseas for most of the time since the attack, predominantly in Lebanon and Dubai — a haunt for a string of Australian organised crime figures.

    The city was considered an enclave from Australian authorities until last August, when four men — including two brothers of Sydney identity John Ibrahim — were arrested by United Arab Emirates police and then extradited in relation to an alleged international drug smuggling syndicate”

    Think of the Boost to Gross Domestic Product.

    Comrades.

  190. Crossie

    I just don’t know what planet Devine is on. Whilst I can understand her criticism of the Abbott government, I simply cannot fathom her continued and banal persecution of Tony Abbott (that has actually now morphed into open hatred of Abbott) and her constant fellating of the current spineless and cretinous PM.

    The invitations to Mal and Lucy’s dinners at the Harbourside mansion have much more cachet than those to the Abbott’s home in suburban Wollstonecraft.

  191. rickw

    Muslim immigration ban, not controversial, commonsense.

  192. Crossie

    I just don’t know what planet Devine is on. Whilst I can understand her criticism of the Abbott government, I simply cannot fathom her continued and banal persecution of Tony Abbott (that has actually now morphed into open hatred of Abbott) and her constant fellating of the current spineless and cretinous PM.

    Cassie, cognitive dissonance. Abbott has to be the scapegoat so they can all continue to enjoy life. People like Miranda will still have enough money for electricity and imported prestige cars, the rest of us in suburbia not so much.

  193. rickw

    Did no one proof read that idiot Anning’s speech and think maybe the phrase “final solution” could have been removed?

    FMD, seriously?!

  194. Spider

    Love this Time article on Omarosa recording of White House conversations.

    Of course, as as you would expect it’s all Trumps fault. Apparently if he’d used long term trusted public servants (say like Jim Comey I assume) this wouldn’t be an issue.

    omarosa tape trump operations security

  195. DrBeauGan

    rickw
    #2789184, posted on August 15, 2018 at 7:38 am
    Did no one proof read that idiot Anning’s speech and think maybe the phrase “final solution” could have been removed?

    FMD, seriously?!

    That phrase is the most important part of the speech if you look at msm comments. Oh, and it was wacist. No more needs to be said if you’re a leftie.

  196. rickw

    That is way too sophisticated a scheme to orgchestarte. A simpler expanation is that only morons like this support your position on immigration.

    Immigrants from shit holes are turning western countries into shit holes identical to their homelands. It’s not some “bedding in phase” that we all just need to put up with. It’s a permanent downgrading of the west to be just as shit as everywhere else.

  197. OldOzzie

    Meanwhile in Canada -Reality Strikes – Pity it hasn’t struck TurdBulll and PVO and the Lemmings Liberals

    WSJ – Canada Backtracks on a Carbon Tax
    Justin Trudeau’s Liberals try to stop a stampede of capital out of the country.

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government announced last month it will reduce a carbon tax on industry that is set to go into effect next year. The reason for the backtrack has to do with climate change, but not the kind associated with global warming.

    Mr. Trudeau is reacting to shifting political winds stirred by Canada’s investment climate, which has turned stone cold. He faces an election in October 2019, and Liberals will have trouble winning unless investors warm to Canada as a destination for capital again. The question is whether the scaling back of the carbon tax is too little, too late.

    The initial carbon-tax proposal, which takes effect next year, promised to levy companies on 30% of their emissions at 10 Canadian dollars (US$7.66) a metric ton, rising to C$50 a metric ton in 2022. The revision now sets the taxable emissions at 20%. The Journal’s Paul Vieira reported from Ottawa on Aug. 1 that “government officials are prepared to tinker further with the carbon-pricing regime should domestic industrial sectors bring evidence demonstrating ‘[heightened] competitiveness risks’ due to developments in the global marketplace.”

    Canada’s ability to attract capital suffered a setback when oil prices fell hard in 2015. Under Mr. Trudeau, who took office in November of that year, it hasn’t caught up. In an April 13 blog post, Jason Clemens and Niels Veldhuis of the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute noted that Canadian foreign direct investment amounted to C$31.5 billion in 2017, down 56% from C$71.5 billion in 2013. The authors added: “Since peaking in the fourth quarter of 2014, total business investment adjusted for inflation—excluding residential housing—is down almost 17.0 percent. Private-sector investment in factories and other structures is down 23.3 percent. And investment in intellectual property is down 13.3 percent.”

    The causes of this capital strike seem to be taxes and regulation, as more than one business leader has noted. Suncor Energy CEO Steve Williams said in February that his company is “having to look at Canada quite hard. The cumulative impact of regulation and higher taxation than other jurisdictions is making Canada a more difficult jurisdiction to allocate capital in.”

    For prospective investors, the business climate in Canada is naturally compared with that of the U.S. Recent U.S. tax cuts, including accelerated depreciation, and President Trump’s deregulation push, are increasing the pressure on Canada to step up. In an April interview with the Canadian Press, Royal Bank of Canada president and CEO Dave McKay described the competitiveness problem behind what he called “significant” capital flight and called on the government to address it. “If we don’t keep the capital here, we can’t keep the people here—and these changes are important to bring human capital and financial capital together in one place,” he said.

    The new carbon tax is only one of the green policies hurting Canada’s competitiveness. Ontario has long been the nation’s manufacturing hub. But in 2005 the province began phasing out the use of coal for electricity generation, and in 2009 it passed the Green Energy Act, designed to force industry and consumers into renewable energy. The net effect has been skyrocketing electricity prices in the province and declining manufacturing output.

    A May 8 paper by Fraser analysts Elmira Aliakbari and Ashley Stedman titled “The Cost of Pipeline Constraints in Canada” blames “environmental and regulatory impediments as well as political opposition” for delays in the expansion of the nation’s pipeline infrastructure. This has depressed prices for Canadian heavy crude, creating a drag on growth, the authors show. Energy company Kinder Morgan recently sold its assets in the Trans Mountain pipeline to the Canadian government because of continuing opposition to its completion by British Columbia and others.

    Elsewhere in Canada there has been aggressive pushback against the federal carbon tax. Ontario, under new political management since June, and Saskatchewan have gone to court to challenge the federal government’s authority to impose the tax. Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Manitoba have their own proposals to price carbon and are all on record against a federal take.

    In Alberta, where the economy depends heavily on pumping oil, the United Conservative Party’s Jason Kenney is the favorite to win next year’s election for provincial premier. He has promised to oppose the Trudeau tax. He says he will keep a provincial carbon tax but limit it to “major emitters.”

    Canadian Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said last week that the Trudeau government wants “to have the most energy efficient, smart industries here that create good jobs, at the same time do what we need to do to tackle emissions.” But Liberals may soon find out that as one of the world’s foremost energy producers, Canada can’t have it both ways.

  198. Snoopy

    Greens leader Richard Di Natale said if Senator Anning had a shred of decency he would apologise, saying using the same language as Nazis was vile, racist and bigoted.

    German?

  199. Snoopy

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government announced last month it will reduce a carbon tax on industry that is set to go into effect next year. The reason for the backtrack has to do with climate change, but not the kind associated with global warming.

    Mr. Trudeau is reacting to shifting political winds stirred by Canada’s investment climate, which has turned stone cold.

    I’m guessing one of the reasons given by Trudeau as to why a carbon tax was necessary was ‘certainty for business’.

    LOL.

  200. OldOzzie

    Crossie
    #2789181, posted on August 15, 2018 at 7:33 am

    The invitations to Mal and Lucy’s dinners at the Harbourside mansion have much more cachet than those to the Abbott’s home in suburban Wollstonecraft.

    Crossie – Wollstonecraft would be regarded as Salubrious by Devine – Tony Abbott lives in Forestville with Mortgage

  201. Senile Old Guy

    Anning.

    Anning declared on Tuesday the reasons “for ending all further Muslim immigration are both compelling and self-evident”.

    “The record of Muslims who have already come to this country in terms of rates of crime, welfare dependency and terrorism are the worst of any migrant and vastly exceed another immigrant group,” he said.

    “The majority of Muslims in Australia of working age do not work and exist on welfare. Muslims in New South Wales and Victoria are three times more likely than other groups to be convicted of crimes.”

    “We have black African Muslim gangs terrorising Melbourne, we have Isis-sympathising Muslims trying to go overseas to try and fight for Isis and while all Muslims are not terrorists, certainly all terrorists these days are Muslims. “So why would anyone want to bring more of them here?”

    Anning contended Australia should return to a position where immigrants were not entitled to receive welfare payments for the first five years after their arrival. “In the days of Menzies, immigrants arriving here were not allowed to apply for welfare and that attracted exactly the right sort of hardworking people this country needed”.

    Hard to argue with this. So Anning will be called a racist (Islam is not a race), derided and his arguments will be ignored.

  202. DrBeauGan

    Hard to argue with this. So Anning will be called a racist (Islam is not a race), derided and his arguments will be ignored.

    Lefties don’t do arguments. They find screaming abuse much easier and more satisfying.

  203. C.L.

    Greens leader Richard Di Natale said if Senator Anning had a shred of decency he would apologise, saying using the same language as Nazis was vile, racist and bigoted.

    Unlike advocating necrophilia.

    EXCLUSIVE: ‘Necrophilia is harmless’: How a Greens candidate called for legal sex with CORPSES in Australia – after revelations he campaigned to change the law to allow best1al1ty

    A Greens candidate for an inner-Sydney state seat once wrote an article where he advocated for sexually interfering with a corpse to be made legal but he now says ‘it is a joke’.

    Richard Di Natale hasn’t objected to these comments. Ergo: he endorses necrophilia.

  204. cohenite

    Hard to argue with this. So Anning will be called a racist (Islam is not a race), derided and his arguments will be ignored.

    Anning is a tough bastard, like Leyonhjelm, and he won’t give a rats about the chattering. But it would be interesting to know the full story of his break-up with Pauline.

  205. Entropy

    Are the African descent gangs in Melbourne Muslim?

  206. Tel

    Muslim immigration ban, not controversial, commonsense.

    It’s impossible to reliably measure someone’s religion, or for that matter their loyalty.

    The reason there’s a problem in Melbourne is because the police sit and do nothing, and the victims are outlawed from defending themselves. Trying to ban Muslims won’t fix that, because once it’s understood that police are ineffective, every criminal group sees it as the green light to trash the place.

  207. C.L.

    My longstanding jealousy thesis confirmed by the highest authority:

    ‘Jealousy’ driving attacks on SAS hero: Vietnam War VC Keith Payne.

    Australia’s oldest living Victoria Cross recipient, Keith Payne, who risked his life to save 40 men during a bloody battle in Vietnam, says “jealousy” could be behind ­attempts by some disgruntled soldiers to discredit fellow VC winner Ben Roberts-Smith.

    Mr Payne, 84, received Australia’s highest military honour for his actions in rescuing Australian, US and Vietnamese soldiers while under sustained enemy fire during the Battle of Ben Het in 1969. He was also awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, the US Army’s second-highest medal for gallantry after the Medal of ­Honour, for his “extraordinary heroism”.

    Mr Payne told The Australian yesterday that soldiers who had served their nation in past conflicts were never subjected to long-­running investigations such as the one being conducted by the ­Inspector-General of Defence into allegations of misconduct by the SAS in Afghanistan.

    “This thing has been under ­investigation and to my mind it’s seven years old,” Mr Payne said from his home in Mackay.

    “Why don’t they investigate the bombing over Berlin, the collateral damage that would have taken place? War is a terrible thing, mate. A lot of things happen in war. You lose mates, you lose this, you lose that, and you get quite bloody angry as a matter of fact…”

    Mr Payne said some soldiers might be envious that Mr Roberts-Smith was awarded the VC for his gallantry in an attack on Taliban machine gunners during an operation in Oruzgan province in 2010.

    “Jealousy is a bloody curse … is it a case of ‘I should have got (a medal) and so I will start something?’ Sometimes there’s a bit of a jealousy rage because of the awards,” Mr Payne said.

  208. Greens leader Richard Di Natale said if Senator Anning had a shred of decency he would apologise, saying using the same language as Nazis was vile, racist and bigoted.

    Di Natale currently supports euthanasia and not merely uses the same language but the same reasons as the Nazis.

  209. Chris

    It is the second AK47 found by Victorian police in days,

    The have displayed a few before, but I am pretty sure they were replicas.
    Personally, I never try to bring in automatic weapons when I travel overseas. They are just too naff.

  210. DrBeauGan

    Di Natale currently supports euthanasia and not merely uses the same language but the same reasons as the Nazis.

    😊 Nice point, DB.

  211. Roger

    Are the African descent gangs in Melbourne Muslim?

    Depends on their country of origin – Sudanese, likely not; Somalian, likely yes.

  212. Nob

    Entropy
    #2789207, posted on August 15, 2018 at 8:22 am
    Are the African descent gangs in Melbourne Muslim?

    South Sudanese are generally not – Christian or animist, drink alcohol.
    Some of them hate Muslims.

    But there are also Somali gangs.

    Tel has got it though: you can contain these problems if police are effective and show zero tolerance .
    Everybody grows up eventually but teen gangs become an adult lifestyle if they don’t get dealt with properly.

    You can see the evidence in many cities.

  213. Tel

    Immigrants from shit holes are turning western countries into shit holes identical to their homelands. It’s not some “bedding in phase” that we all just need to put up with. It’s a permanent downgrading of the west to be just as shit as everywhere else.

    That’s just an example of the tragedy of low expectations (and double standards). When people come to this country as guests, they should be held to the same legal standard as citizens, and if they jump up and down on a police car, or have a rock throwing riot they should get punished same as anyone else. If they want to keep causing trouble or commit sex crimes or other stuff they get sent back where they came from, end of story, no hand wringing, and they can blame themselves for the own ACTIONS.

    However what we do is tell these people to do whatever they want and they are blameless for their actions because we don’t expect them to have to follow Australian law. That’s no them making our country into a shit hole, it’s us deciding to abandon our own legal system.

  214. cohenite

    It’s impossible to reliably measure someone’s religion, or for that matter their loyalty.

    The reason there’s a problem in Melbourne is because the police sit and do nothing, and the victims are outlawed from defending themselves. Trying to ban Muslims won’t fix that, because once it’s understood that police are ineffective, every criminal group sees it as the green light to trash the place.

    Islam is different. And while your point about a lack of consequences contributing in melbournistan – the Sudanese are also Christian – is correct Anning’s argument is about islam.

  215. Some History

    San Francisco launching ‘Poop Patrol’ to clean up city sidewalks: Report

    Reality program following 2 “poop patrollers”.

    https://imgur.com/XhAORIE

  216. OldOzzie

    GET TOGETHER AND THROW TURNBULL OUT AGAIN
    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph

    Nine years ago, members of the Liberal party threw Malcolm Turnbull out like a plate of boiled feet after he tried to become Kevin Rudd’s carbon tax love monkey. If any members remain, they might consider doing the same thing in 2018.

    Because the Prime Minister is about to go full Gillard:

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will today vow to lock in as law a climate change emissions reduction target of 26 per cent – sparking a rebellion among colleagues who want him to focus on lowering household bills instead of legislating a “tax on electricity”.

    The front page of tomorrow’s The Daily Telegraph

    Nine years after energy policy saw Mr Turnbull rolled as Opposition Leader, the Coalition will again be thrown into an internal battle over the “Paris Agreement” at an explosive party meeting insiders say will be “toxic”.
    It can be revealed that along with a promise to underwrite new coal stations as part of the National Energy Guarantee, the PM will also demand the emissions target law.

    This is idiotic. Australians are already paying insane power bills in a nation rich with coal and other electricity-generating resources. Signing into law a 26 per cent cut on 2005 emissions levels by 2030 would only be achievable by erasing more than a quarter of our economy.

    DEAR LIBERAL MPS: WHY INFLICT ALL THIS PAIN FOR NO GAIN
    I have a message to the Liberal MPs – why don’t you finally get the guts to make a stand against your Prime Mini…

    Shrieking about “the future of the planet” and complaining that “the people that are opposing me within the party do not believe in climate change at all”, Turnbull was turfed by enormous numbers of Liberal voters who contacted their local Liberal branches and representatives.

    An identical situation now demands an identical response.

    Unless you want to pay even more for electricity, hit the email and the phone. To hell with the Paris Agreement, and to hell with anyone who would make that UN atrocity’s pointless and ruinous targets legally binding.


    UPDATE:

    [Former Prime Minister Tony] Abbott is likely to cross the floor on the emissions reduction legislation, along with former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce and other Coalition MPs.

    He told The Daily Telegraph the Turnbull government was at risk of becoming “toxic” among Liberal voters.

    We’re suddenly back in 2009. Turnbull hasn’t learned a damn thing in nearly a decade.

    The Orstrahyun
    They May Be Out There, But They Won’t Save The Liberal Party By Darryl Mason There is a conservative-minded f…

    “If the party room backs the NEG, it will be completely out of step with the Liberal membership,” Mr Abbott said.“The Liberal Party members want us to oppose the Labor Party, not to agree with the Labor Party, and the whole problem with the NEG is that it’s designed to get agreement from the Labor states.]

    “This is why this government risks becoming toxic with its own supporters.”
    It already is.

    UPDATE II. As usual, Labor is even dopier:

    Tony Abbott mounts public attack on Turnbull’s energy policy ahead of cr…
    David Crowe

    Tony Abbott lost a key vote in a backbench committee meeting about energy last night.

    Labor is arguing for a cut of 45 per cent across the economy …

    UPDATE III:

    Malcolm Turnbull’s signature energy policy is on track to secure comfortable support in the Coalition party room as senior sources describe the mood as “very positive”.

    The Daily Telegraph understands former prime minister Tony Abbott and WA MP Andrew Hastie are the only MPs to outright oppose the policy after more than an hour of discussions.

    A mix of conservative and moderate MPs have expressed their support for the policy including Senators Jim Molan and Ian Macdonald as well as Tim Wilson, Rowan Ramsay and Warren Entsch, Chris Crewther, and Ann Sudmalis.

    UPDATE IV. Dennis Shanahan:

    Bill Shorten is the man most likely to be elected prime minister at the next election: Australia faces a Shorten-led Labor government within eight months.

    UPDATE V:

    Malcolm Turnbull has scored a huge win in the Coalition partyroom over the final design of the national energy guarantee. It will now go to the states for further negotiations.

    The Coalition is now actively working against Australia. Phones and email, people.

  217. Roger

    you can contain these problems if police are effective and show zero tolerance

    Ineffective policing is a large part of the problem, but you also have soft judges and a law “reform” introduced by the Andrews government which prevents juveniles who breach bail conditions from being charged with same – note VicPol often reports they “know” who the offenders are.

  218. C.L.

    Is there a greater living Australian than Keith Payne?

  219. C.L.

    Di Natale currently supports euthanasia and not merely uses the same language but the same reasons as the Nazis.

    Of course.
    Almost every Greens policy would be acceptable to Adolf Hitler.

  220. OldOzzie

    Tim Blair Dailytelegraph Today

    CANBERRA CARBON CAPERS: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

    The Coalition’s invertebrate faction prevailed yesterday, but that doesn’t mean the madcap thrills and entertainment of our national energy debate are over. Oh, not by a long shot.

    (By the way, does anybody else remember when electricity was just something you used, paid for and otherwise never talked about? Good times. Now we have meetings in Paris with stupid foreigners to work out how we can make it more expensive.)

    Despite his victory, Malcolm Turnbull could still face a parliamentary rebellion — potentially exposing the government to Labor craftiness:

    It would take only one MP of the dissenters — Mr Abbott, Andrew Hastie, Tony Pasin, Andrew Gee, Kevin Andrews, Craig Kelly or George Christensen — to cross the floor in the Lower House for the government to be forced to rely on support from Labor.

    Labor’s energy spokesman Mark Butler confirmed his party would try to push the government’s proposed 26 per cent emissions reduction target up to its own absurd 45 per cent target. Chris Kenny believes this may be simply politics as usual ahead of siding with Turnbull:

    My expectation is that while they will keep their options open and deliberately antagonise the government all the way, they will eventually give the NEG bipartisan support.

    This seems the safest choice for Labor. If they were to oppose the legislation and see it defeated with the help of Coalition dissidents it could create a little too much chaos on the government side.

    Johannes Leak’s view

    It would be so dramatic that it might cost Turnbull the leadership and/or force the Coalition to abruptly change its stance to one of sharp contrast with Labor …

    Such a contrast holds great fears for Labor. In 2010, 2013 and 2016 voters clearly went for policy options, proposed by either one party or both, that promised to put power prices and reliability ahead of emissions reduction schemes.

    Chris is likely correct, especially on Labor’s concerns over facing anyone other than Turnbull. But I can see at least three reasons why Labor might reject the NEG in its current form.

    Firstly, so far as any political party on earth is concerned, there is no such thing as creating “too much chaos” among opponents. This delicious prospect alone might prove impossible for Labor to resist. For that matter, it’s impossible for me to resist. Bring it on.

    Secondly, even if Turnbull is replaced with a leader who understands the impact of four-figure electricity bills on ordinary Australians, Labor may decide the obvious evidence of instability created by yet another spill will erase any Coalition policy advantage.

    And thirdly, consider Labor’s pathological fear of losing inner-city seats to the Greens and picture Greens campaigns in Sydney and Melbourne painting Labor as the evil Coalition’s climate-hating pawns. Leftists love that sort of thing, because it gives them license to walk away from Labor.

    We’ve all paid gigantic electricity bills for tickets to this show. Might as well enjoy it.

    UPDATE. Worst bumper sticker ever:

    I am a person who is often in Kmart, and I care about the Paris Agreement https://t.co/TekX6uXMfX
    — Jacqueline Maley (@JacquelineMaley) August 13, 2018

  221. calli

    Late to the party. Chip Bok – very clever.

  222. C.L.

    No exaggeration …
    To say that the ADF would very much like to investigate Keith Payne.
    They’d love to bring him down too.

  223. DrBeauGan

    However what we do is tell these people to do whatever they want and they are blameless for their actions because we don’t expect them to have to follow Australian law. That’s not them making our country into a shit hole, it’s us deciding to abandon our own legal system.

    Tel, you’re exactly right. It’s lefties in the police and judiciary who are turning Oz into a shit hole.

    Everything lefties touch turns to shit. This ought to be a Liberty Quote.

  224. Roger

    Johannes Leak’s view

    Classic.

  225. Leo G

    Did no one proof read that idiot Anning’s speech and think maybe the phrase “final solution” could have been removed?

    Perhaps we should have compulsory trigger warnings whenever mathematical problem solving is being taught.
    Silly.
    In any cause the expression ” the final solution” is not even an accurate translation of any of the similar expressions used in the infamous July 1941 reference to the Jewish Holocaust.
    The expressions “Endlösung der Judenfrage” and “Gesamtlösung der Judenfrage” appeared in the letter Adolf Eichmann composed for Hermann Goering which was sent to SS General Reinhard Heydrich and which charged Heydrich with the task of preparing a replacement plan (for the Madagascar Solution) for presentation at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942.

  226. Roger

    … it’s us deciding to abandon our own legal system.

    Us?

    I don’t recall Australians ever being asked if it was OK to do so.

  227. Geriatric Mayfly

    Melbourne’s moslem crime gangs waging war on each other

    Thought for a moment that it must be our old Lebbo friends the Chaouks and Haddaras at it again. But here we have some new players in the diversity landscape. As long as it remains Lebbo on Lebbo it’s good theatre from a distance.

  228. stackja

    The easily offended finally have another solution.

  229. Cactus

    Re: Ben Roberts-Smith and Keith Payne. I really admire them partly because I know they have got the ‘right stuff’ when push comes to shove. They didn’t cower when called upon to selflessly protect others. I don’t know if I will ever be called upon & if I have it within me. Would I go to water? Could that feeling cause a bit of jealousy in others?

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