Monday Forum: August 20, 2018

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  1. John Constantine

    African Swine Fever is reported to have infected China, entering through the northwest borders with the central Asian ‘stans.

    Half a billion pigs in China, who knows how hard the quarantine for the 100% lethal infection will have to be.

    Lot of enterprising middlemen ready to grab the cheap and free pork and sell it on into the cities.

    Their abc had a catastrophist talking millions and tens of millions of culled pigs, but reuters is only talking thousands.

    ” BEIJING (Reuters) – China’s Ministry of Agriculture said on Sunday 88 hogs had died from African swine fever in the eastern city of Lianyungang, the third outbreak this month, as the highly-contagious disease threatened to spread through the world’s biggest pig herd.

    A total of 615 hogs have been infected since Aug. 15 with the swine fever in Lianyungang, in Jiangsu province, where authorities have banned the movement of hogs, related products and animals that are easily infected both into and outside the affected area, the ministry said.

    Emergency measures, including culling and disinfecting animals, have brought the outbreak in the city’s Haizhou district under “effective control,” the ministry said.

    The ministry did not answer a call or immediately respond to a fax seeking comment on how it is acting to contain the spread of the swine fever.

    The Jiangsu cases are the third outbreak of African swine fever in China this month. The disease, for which there is no available vaccine, had never previously been detected in East Asia. It does not affect humans.

    By road, Lianyungang is about 1,300 kilometres (808 miles) south of Shenyang, the provincial capital of Liaoning province, where China’s first case of the fever was reported on Aug. 3.

    A second outbreak was reported on Thursday about 600 kilometers (373 miles) east of Zhengzhou, the capital of Henan province in central China.

    The pigs found to be infected in Zhengzhou had traveled from a live market in Heilongjiang province, which, like Liaoning, is in China’s northeast.

    Liaoning has culled more than 8,000 hogs in an attempt to contain the outbreak, while a unit of WH Group, the world’s top pork producer, said it had culled 1,362 pigs at the slaughterhouse where the Zhengzhou cases were discovered.”

  2. zyconoclast

    The equation is: sex => life => death

    But throwing away the middle bit and connecting the two ends spoils it IMHO.

    Praying mantis do it this way: life => sex => death
    Proof here

  3. has culled more than 8,000 hogs …

    Interesting to see what happens with the inevitable human strain.

  4. zyconoclast

    Was Racial Slur Anger or Hate Crime?

    Lonny Rae doesn’t deny that he used a racial slur last October after seeing a black man scuffle with his wife, who like Rae is white. For uttering an ugly word in what he says was the heat of the moment as he tried to defend his wife, Idaho prosecutors are charging him with a hate crime that could land him in jail for five years.

    The Raes and their lawyer, Edgar Steele, say he has been scapegoated by a state that has become overly sensitive to characterizations that it is a home to white separatist racists.

    Since the incident, which occurred after a high school football game that Rae’s wife, Kimberly, was covering for a local paper, both the Raes found themselves out of work and essentially driven out of town as a result of the bad publicity, they say.

    What shocked them more than that was the prosecutor’s decision to charge Lonny Rae with felony malicious harassment and disturbing the peace, while not filing charges against the man who scuffled with his wife over her camera.

    “They weren’t interested in that,” Lonny Rae said. “The biggest concern they had was that I used the ‘N’ word.

    “What happened to the guy who actually caused some injury? Nothing,” he added. “Why? Because this man is using the laws in this state and the reputation this state has received through some stuff that’s happened with the Aryan Nation, trying to change the reputation of the state.”

  5. zyconoclast

    Germany looks at easing immigration laws to fill skilled labor gaps

    BERLIN (Reuters) – The German cabinet will soon decide on a proposal to make it easier for skilled workers from outside the European Union to move to Germany to take a job, a paper seen by Reuters shows, as Germany seeks to alleviate chronic labor shortages.

    Such plans could be sensitive in a country where anti-immigration sentiment has helped drive support for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party and a row over asylum policy almost toppled Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government in July.

    The new proposal mainly addresses relaxing migration policy for professionals outside the EU, since EU citizens enjoy free labor movement in the bloc.

    Germany bet on more than a million refugees who arrived in 2015 to fill workforce gaps, but a lack of German-language skills and the inability of most refugees to prove any qualifications has slowed the process.

  6. zyconoclast

    Chicago ‘peace picnic’ turns violent: 3 people shot, another is beaten

    Three people were shot at a back-to-school peace picnic held at a playground in Chicago on Saturday night.

    A fourth person was beaten up at the event that was held to promote peace and community.

  7. Jo Smyth

    Cory Bernardi is concentrating on Senate seats. The aim is to be the powerful force in the Senate. I suspect he doesn’t mind who is leading the Libs as long as they are Liberals and not fakes like Turnbull.

  8. zyconoclast

    Trudeau preaches acceptance, openess not just tolerance at Montreal’s Pride parade

    At a press conference ahead of the event, Trudeau called for an end to the use of the word “tolerance” as a benchmark for the treatment of diverse communities.

    “We need to talk about acceptance, we need to talk about openness, we need to talk about friendship, we need to talk about love — not just tolerance,” he said to cheers.

    Trudeau began his day at an upscale hotel in Old Montreal, where he attended a Pride-themed Liberal fundraising brunch in the company of Montreal-born “Queer Eye” TV personality Antoni Porowski.

  9. John Constantine

    WLD wellard is the listed live export shipping company.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180820/pdf/43xh8hp05v0zd2.pdf

    Reports things not all over, but the figures show a looming credit crunch where loans will need rolling over, or stuff sold, the affordability of the wellard animal welfare compliant ships compared to the low cost funeral barges run by the usual suspects don’t add up.

  10. zyconoclast

    Justin Trudeau Says Questioning Cost Of Illegal Border Crossers Is “Hate Speech”

    Trudeau continues to escalate his anti-Canadian rhetoric.
    Justin Trudeau has now signalled that he will keep demonizing Canadians who want our border laws followed.

    After a woman in Quebec asked him if there would be reimbursement for the cost of illegal border crossers, Justin Trudeau accused her of ‘racism,’ ‘intolerance,’ and said she had “no place” in Canada.

  11. Gab

    Justin is merely an inept immature boy-child. And his words and actions prove it daily.

  12. Mother Lode

    Trudeau continues to escalate his anti-Canadian rhetoric.

    He should ask himself how Daddy would have dealt with this kind of flow of people.

    Oh, hang on. We know. Daddy’s government encouraged people to head over the border. They didn’t want any Cubans who were not fanatically loyal to the regime.

  13. Confused Old Misfit

    Justin is merely an inept immature boy-child. And his words and actions prove it daily.

    Unfortunately he is also the PM of Canada and there appear to be no mature voices from his backing political party attempting to guide his misbehaviour. Neither is there a strongly vocal opposition in the federal house. The leader of the conservatives Andrew Scheer, is only there because the conservative back room thought that if they put up a nice pretty boy they could win. He’s not pretty enough and he’s too damned “nice” to fight the kind of fight that needs to be fought.

  14. Speaking of ‘Daddy’, “Montreal-born “Queer Eye” TV personality Antoni Porowski” last movie is Daddy’s Boy, which, as IMDb says, is about how

    “In front of the hot lights of a porn set and behind the closed doors of a burlesque studio, four young men leave boyhood behind and end up shedding more than just their clothes and inhibitions.”

  15. Farmer Gez

    The pork industry is in the doldrums and could use a good lift like the lamb promotion with ex player Sam Kekovich.
    The AFL is really keen on promoting good causes; why don’t they take on Australian Pork Ltd as a sponsor?
    Waleed could spruik the product.
    Pork on your fork fair dinkum Aussie maaaaaate.

  16. H B Bear

    OK back to work. Lord Waffles first order of business – watch as his company tax cuts are struck down by the Senate.

  17. Makka

    Malcolm: “If I’m going down, I’m taking the whole Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party with me”:

    Then get TF on with it.

  18. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Meanwhile on Planet Winning:

    Donald Trump has moved to cut Obama-era emissions limits, designed to help coal-fired plants compete with clean energy.

  19. Tom

    Remember this idiot beclowning himself when CNN invented the “shithole” flame war against Trump?

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

    Just watched former Intelligence Official Phillip Mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating wonderful @PARISDENNARD over Brennan’s Security Clearance. Dennard destroyed him but Mudd is in no mental condition to have such a Clearance. Should be REVOKED?

    The sucking noise you can hear from 10,000 miles away is the sound of the Washington swamp being drained.

  20. Tel

    African Swine Fever is reported to have infected China, entering through the northwest borders with the central Asian ‘stans.

    Looks like they picked the wrong week to give up soybeans.

  21. hzhousewife

    Looks like they picked the wrong week to give up soybeans.

    Ooops, I spluttered my soup !

  22. Diogenes

    Pork on your fork fair dinkum Aussie maaaaaate.

    Have you seen that godawful pork ad that I have only seen the SBS food channel so far ? …
    Scene : a Drs waiting surgery, she comes out , he asks how did it go, she says “we have to pork more”, him delighted look, weighting room horrified , cut to them at home tucking into a pork chop

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    Remember this idiot beclowning himself when CNN invented the “shithole” flame war against Trump

    And doesn’t he have the best surname descriptor — his name is Phillip Mudd – swampdweller – by their names you shall know them — Peter Stronzo was another

  24. Rossini

    2C nowhere near enough. It’s bloody cold in Melbourne today. Just got the latest gas account……….oh well
    the heating just has to go on………..cannot live like a brass monkey with what’s left of winter

  25. Makka

    Turnbull alive but badly injured like the knight (It’s only a flesh wound) is by far the best outcome. He needs to be captain, navigator and owner of this stinking Liberal ship when it goes down. If for no other reason than to demonstrate that betrayal will result in destruction in the end. It will be fitting at the next election that the absent base will have a big hand in torpedoing this Turdball monstrosity of a party..

  26. C.L.

    Lonny Rae doesn’t deny that he used a racial slur last October after seeing a black man scuffle with his wife, who like Rae is white. For uttering an ugly word in what he says was the heat of the moment as he tried to defend his wife, Idaho prosecutors are charging him with a hate crime that could land him in jail for five years.

    Oh FFS.
    He allegedly said NIGGER.
    I’m sick and tired of ostentatious swearers and ‘edgy’ blasphemers clutching their pearls with one hand and the new Hays Code with the other while tut-tutting about “the N-word.”

  27. C.L.

    Lonny Rae doesn’t deny that he used a racial slur last October after seeing a black man scuffle with his wife, who like Rae is white. For uttering an ugly word in what he says was the heat of the moment as he tried to defend his wife, Idaho prosecutors are charging him with a hate crime that could land him in jail for five years.

    Oh FFS.
    He allegedly said N-GGER.
    I’m sick and tired of ostentatious swearers and ‘edgy’ blasphemers clutching their pearls with one hand and the new Hays Code with the other while tut-tutting about “the N-word.”

  28. C.L.

    Also banned by Catallaxy – now featuring one of the holiest filters online.

  29. pete m

    I am greatly enjoying the greatest ever potential PM being wrecked. So much vast potential. Acres and acres of potential. Just waiting to be unleashed. Any day now. I’m sure he’ll now get clear air, if only that nasty Mr Rabbit quit the party. Such a destroyer.

    I have despised this man from before he joined the libs, and it became white hot once he started white anting Abbott.

    He is getting exactly what he deserves – just a shame the electorate will likely be robbed of the chance to send him and his merry men packing.

    What a useless PM he has been – achieved NOTHING.

  30. Elle

    Black fellas call each other n*gger and some black musicians use it in their songs. I guess that’s ok? Why aren’t leftists offended by that?

    Anyhoo, it reminded me of a time when a gay colleague who smokes was heading outside. I asked “are you going to have a f*g”. He said “no, I’m going to have a smoke”. 😎

  31. Top Ender

    Disgraced property developer Salim Mehajer will remain behind bars after his appeal to apply for bail was quashed in the NSW Supreme Court.

    The former deputy mayor of Auburn appeared in court via audio visual link from Cooma jail this morning, where he is currently serving a 21-month sentence for rigging a local election in 2012.

    But Justice Robert Allan Hulme rejected Mehajer’s appeal, saying the Crown’s case had “driven him to conclude” that Mehajer had shown “an arrogant disregard for the law of the state.”

    Mr Hulme said “given the trend of recent offending” there was a “very significant prospect” that Mehajer would breach any bail conditions imposed upon him.

    Link

  32. stackja

    Bill delays as CommBank restores NetBank
    Luke Costin, Australian Associated Press
    August 21, 2018 11:09am

    A problem in one of the two data centres supporting the NetBank system was blamed for the problem.

    The root cause of the issue will be “fully investigated”, CBA said.

    One cafe owner said he was losing business as customers rarely carry cash and he was unable to take their money electronically due to the outage.

  33. Bruce in WA

    I see the Pommy sheila who “fell” off the back of the Norwegian Jewel had been drinking and arguing all day with her boyfriend. Other passengers are reporting she semi-stripped off and jumped overboard.

    Of course she did. There was no way she was going to just “fall off” this.

    Give her a bill for the costs of mounting a rescue, PLUS a penalty for inconveniencing the other 2300+ passengers whose cruise was buggered about!

  34. Makka

    Turnbull knows his only chance to stave off a hatchet job in the Party Room is the polls. Watch him now attempt a big vote grabbing pivot, to the left.

  35. H B Bear

    pete m – I’m exactly the same. The big risk here is we will be denied the opportunity to see Lord Waffleworth face the electorate and then face the nation on election night to reap his failure.

  36. Bruce in WA

    Haha … my comment is in moderation because I wrote about the woman who “fell off” the ship Norwegian Joo-el … just have to wait.

  37. John Constantine

    Might have to check the entry point into China of the African Swine Fever, some reports of entry through Russian Siberian far east territory.

    Given it has no zoonotic impact on human consumption of the infected animal, I dunno if it makes it easier to control or not.

    Still looks like more of a media beatup than a hundred million culled pigs. If they do cull the pigs, they won’t need as much imported feed grain.

  38. DrBeauGan

    My dear old granny was horrified at the words bloody and bastard. She’d have gone into orbit if one of us had said bugger or shit in her presence. I doubt if she’d ever heard the word fuck and would have only the vaguest idea of what it means, but I expect she’d have disapproved anyway. Likewise the c word. On the other hand, the n word was just a brand of shoe polish, and a poufe was something you sat on.

    Now people with linguistic taboos are in the ascendant. Just like granny, really.

  39. H B Bear

    … and a poufe was something you sat on.

    It still is in Sydney.

  40. Just got the latest gas account……….oh well

    Wanna swap it for my electricity bill?

  41. Speedbox

    the n word was just a brand of shoe polish, and a poufe was something you sat on.

    Yeah, I remember both of those.

    I also find it curious how the word ‘bugger’ is used with gay abandon these days. Even on television commercials shown early in the evening. Don’t people realise what it actually means?

  42. min

    I am a dear old Granny OBE who read Chaucer so I had heard the word f##k and in fact when I went back to Uni , the lecturers used it.

  43. Rossini

    incoherent rambler
    #2795219, posted on August 21, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    Sight unseen …..No thanks

  44. wivenhoe

    A bit of trivia, I am a great grandfather, But I always knew that I would be great at something, someday.

  45. Baldrick

    Barry
    #2794867, posted on August 21, 2018 at 9:36 am
    I just want to know whether my homo Tim Wilson was in the 48 or the 35 so I can decide whether to vote for him again.

    Tim Wilson was in the 48. Here’s the 38.

  46. H B Bear

    The Open Thread is feeling a bit like Albosleazy after Super Saturday.

  47. pete m

    hb bear 2.54pm – funny as, but poor optics.

    Good to see my local member amongst the Dutton mob – but always likely given she is in qld.

    NSW and Vic liberals would have to be the most sucky of the whole country, bar a couple of exceptions. What have the local parties in these States been doing to get such rank members?

    Voting in senate but Reps will be AC only, or informal, a great big FU malcolm.

  48. Gab

    Felicitations to you, Wivenhoe

  49. An excellent essay at First Things:

    De Gaulle’s achievement was to draw the more traditional cultural forces of the French right into the orbit of republicanism. He used the resources of Bonapartism to fix the errors of the Fourth Republic and build a lasting republican regime. But his alliance with Orléanism was a Cold War alliance of convenience to hold off more sinister forces. While Orléanism is to the right of communism and socialism, its conception of freedom makes it an ally of all attacks on traditional authority and culture. When French communism weakened and French socialism became bourgeois, this alliance ceased to make sense. In a way, what France has witnessed since 1989 is a return to 1789. As was evident then, Orléanism is ontologically left. It votes to execute the king.

    RTWT.

  50. wivenhoe

    Felicitations to you, Wivenhoe

    Thank’s Gab, Never thought that I would live long enough to see the day.

  51. P

    the n word was just a brand of shoe polish, and a poufe was something you sat on.

    Yeah, I remember both of those.

    And the Steel Wool Soap Pads.

  52. None

    Wivenhoe ! Congratulations! Yay you.

  53. None

    Voting in senate but Reps will be AC only, or informal, a great big FU malcolm.

    AC I think will only be offering Senate candidates come federal election. They made the mistake of trying to do too much too soon in the SA elections.

  54. calli

    NSW and Vic liberals would have to be the most sucky of the whole country, bar a couple of exceptions. What have the local parties in these States been doing to get such rank members?

    This may have something to do with it:

    (From the spill thread – apologies for posting in full as I don’t know how to cross link)

    stackja
    #2795201, posted on August 21, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    LIBERAL LEFT PLOTS TO DEFY MEMBERS
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    July 25, 2017 10:18am

    Will the likes of Michael Photios really defy members to maintain the Left’s undemocratic grip on the NSW Liberals?

    This is disgraceful. Such arrogance:

    Factional chiefs have vowed to water down — or block entirely — Tony Abbott’s historic move to give Liberal Party members a say in electing their local candidates.

    Leaders of the Liberal Moderate faction told The Daily Telegraph they will never agree to one of Abbott’s major reforms — to give party members a vote in Senate positions, claiming it disenfranchises country members…

    Yet another bitter internal war has broken out in the wake of Mr Abbott’s weekend win, when his Warringah Motion won the support of 750 party members, while only 450 voted against it.

    The conservative faction has accused Liberal powerbroker and lobbyist Michael Photios of being behind the push to block plebiscites, in order to maintain his control over the Liberal Party…

    A senior faction leader told The Daily Telegraph the Warringah resolution will be wiped when it goes to NSW Liberal State Council in the next four months, which will redebate the plebiscite reforms from scratch…

    Instead, State Council will incorporate the proposal for reform put forward by centre-right faction leader Alex Hawke — even though it was voted down at the weekend party convention. It will also include aspects of federal MP Julian Leeser’s proposal, which was not debated.

    Mr Abbott warned if faction leaders “play silly buggers” and “sabotage” the reforms, they would cause “massive damage”.

    These arrogant fools will split the Liberals. Have they no respect for their own members?

    If I were Hawke, I would be very, very careful about being associated with this. This is the kind of unprincipled stunt that will mark him for the rest of his career, and is likely to forever doom him to the margin of politics.

    [email protected]_Molan: ‘We have started the process of taking power back from the factions and giving it to the members’ MORE https://t.co/X3h81l4Ive pic.twitter.com/n0SMMybgev
    — The Bolt Report (@theboltreport) July 24, 2017

  55. Elle

    Congrats, wivenhoe. You were already great though. Cheers to you and your fam.

  56. DrBeauGan

    P
    #2795303, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:07 pm
    the n word was just a brand of shoe polish, and a poufe was something you sat on.

    Yeah, I remember both of those.

    And the Steel Wool Soap Pads.

    What’s odd is that the sjws claim there is something derogatory about the n word. No advertiser would use a derogatory term for a product name, it doesn’t make sense. If you wanted people to buy your steel wool soap pads, you wouldn’t call them the contemptible shit soap pads, would you? Likewise, giving children toy golliwogs to cuddle isn’t going to prejudice them against black people. Quite the opposite.

  57. DrBeauGan

    P
    #2795303, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:07 pm
    the n word was just a brand of shoe polish, and a poufe was something you sat on.

    Yeah, I remember both of those.

    And the Steel Wool Soap Pads.

    What’s odd is that the sjws claim there is something derogatory about the n word. No advertiser would use a derogatory term for a product name, it doesn’t make sense. If you wanted people to buy your steel wool soap pads, you wouldn’t call them the contemptible shit soap pads, would you? Likewise, giving children toy golliw*ogs to cuddle isn’t going to prejudice them against black people. Quite the opposite.

  58. Dear God, can you please make sure that 48 LP MPs lose their seat at the next election?
    You know who they are.

  59. wivenhoe

    TY None and Elle, Almost makes me feel old…Nah that will never happen, I plan to live long enough to be a problem for my children, lol, that will learn them.

  60. DrBeauGan

    incoherent rambler
    #2795320, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:28 pm
    Dear God, can you please make sure that 48 LP MPs lose their seat at the next election?
    You know who they are.

    I doubt if a prayer to God from me would have a positive response. So I am praying to Baal instead. It’s a million to one shot, but it just might work.

  61. johanna

    Still in permanent moderation, which ensures that many readers will never see my comments.

    Shadowbanning is all de rage in libertarian circles.

    It allows the Masters of the Universe at Google, Facebook and Twitter to tell the US Congress that they just lerve free speech, but have a duty to tone down people that they don’t like.

    Of course, I am in that awful sub-stratum of nutters and haters and liars that needs to be banned. However, banning attracts attention, so shadowbanning is the go for today’s would-be Masters of the Universe. Sort of a cocktail party version of cutting someone dead.

    As My Hero would say, sad.

  62. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2795326, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    I doubt if a prayer to God from me would have a positive response. So I am praying to Baal instead. It’s a million to one shot, but it just might work.

    Baal is good.

  63. woolfe

    Paywallian has a puff piece on Mooosies praying to end the drought. They are of course blocking a public road. FFS the Paywallian must think its readers are as dumb as politicians

  64. woolfe

    Hey Doc Baal probably wants a sacrifice with some fresh blood to go with any requests. He is probably an Old Testament type of guy.

  65. DrBeauGan

    woolfe
    #2795335, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:43 pm
    Hey Doc Baal probably wants a sacrifice with some fresh blood to go with any requests. He is probably an Old Testament type of guy.

    Hmm. If I can find a suitable leftie, I might try a subhuman sacrifice. Can’t do any harm and might do some good.

  66. Empire 5:5

    I think you need a reddit account to view this, but well worth the read if you do. It ties together the connections and conflicts of those involved in the CF fraud cover up.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some_dots/

  67. .

    Let me be clear; Shorten might be leading on the 2PP but he’s hardly Robert James Lee Hawke.

  68. John Constantine

    Their shorten mightn’t be another Hawkie, but he has had a wank into one of his old socks, so surely some of the Hawke magic might have rubbed off?.

  69. .

    Let me be clear, you might mean rubbed out.

  70. DrBeauGan

    Empire 5:5
    #2795342, posted on August 21, 2018 at 5:54 pm
    I think you need a reddit account to view this, but well worth the read if you do. It ties together the connections and conflicts of those involved in the CF fraud cover up.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some_dots/

    Well worth reading, Empire, and easily accessible without being on reddit. I recommend the link to everyone. I hope Trump reads it.

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Dutton just described Laura Jayes as “a very clever journalist”.
    Let’s stick with Malcolm.

  72. woolfe

    My local MP voted for Dutton, just sent an email thanking him.

  73. cohenite

    Dutton just described Laura Jayes as “a very clever journalist”.
    Let’s stick with Malcolm.

    No, I saw he’s lower lip curl when he said it; he’s got a sense of irony. Turdball only has an ego.

  74. Empire 5:5

    Well worth reading, Empire, and easily accessible without being on reddit. I recommend the link to everyone. I hope Trump reads it.

    Relax. He did.

  75. Leigh Lowe

    No, I saw he’s lower lip curl when he said it; he’s got a sense of irony. Turdball only has an ego.

    What a relief.
    I was listening from the other room and didn’t get the nuance.
    Go to it Pete.
    Rip his froat out.

  76. woolfe

    Currant Electrickery Prices
    Price QLD NSW SA Vic TAS
    Energy $258.26 $296.02 $273.33 $290.00 $46.92

  77. DrBeauGan

    as “a very clever journalist”.

    That’s like calling someone an attractive prostitute.

  78. Anne

    I’m not a fan of Rap music but this is cool.

    Had to share.

    WWG1WGA! 🤗

    https://youtu.be/WajvIElUyDs

  79. Jessie

    woolfe @ 6.18

    What is the reason for sig lower prices in WA and in particular Tas?

  80. H B Bear

    WA is not part of the NEM.

  81. cohenite

    What is the reason for sig lower prices in WA and in particular Tas?

    Prices here; compare generation and demand:

    http://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#nem-dispatch-overview

  82. Farmer Gez

    Muslims close road while praying for rain:

    A naked rain dance by the Lakemba ladies is out of the question I supppose.

  83. cohenite

    Turdball won due to scomo’s little group supporting him.

  84. DrBeauGan

    Muslims close road while praying for rain:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155890981679370&set=a.10150149146444370&type=3&theater

    Let’s hope it works, Cohenite.

    Bit I bet it doesn’t.

    Still, if they donate money to farmers, they could do a lot worse.

  85. RobK

    What is the reason for sig lower prices in WA and in particular Tas?
    Tassy has bulk hydro with which it can play the NEM.
    WA has bulk gas reserved and some legacy coal capacity. (Not NEM)

  86. chrisl

    Surely WA is the true indicator of what the price of electricity should be without the addition of part time, subsidised power.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    It must have worked. Many years ago, abreast the city gates of Cooma was a huge sign “Save Our Gaol.” I note a current guest by the name of Mehajer. If they don’t keep a close eye on him he will be Deputy Mayor of the Monaro, manipulating the show from his current chambers.

  88. RobK

    Cbrisl,
    Unfortunately, no. WA has a lot of RE investment thanks to the RET. The Qld government is amongst the investors in WA wind and solar,along with the usual ones.
    WA has state FiT but tbey rend to be modest compared fo some states.

  89. stackja

    Pope’s abuse letter ‘too little too late’

    Australian victims support groups say the Pope’s letter on the child sexual abuse scandal is encouraging but want action to back up his words.

    $$$?

  90. John Constantine

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180821/pdf/43xjh5vsc5l65j.pdf

    African ways win again.

    IEC a minnow asx listed coal miner operating in Tanzania has got a one week to pay or bust extortion demand from a Tanzanian socialist department.
    [ only got a couple of beers worth of these, just to get the paperwork]

  91. egg_

    Fucknuckle leftists like Analprobin’ think leftism is the belief system for the hep cat daddy-o yoof generation. Like it’s goof network, it’s most ardent advocates are approaching senility. Or at least the ones not croaked during a purge. In atavistic shitholes like here it has some younger followers, mostly females too fugly to get invited anywhere. On the rest of the planet it’s squaresville on steroids.

    +1

    Pwobin and Tingle as Political Analysts?
    Of the calibre of Emmanomics.

  92. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am here today to report on a treasure trove: a collection of articles associated with the Second World War here in Norway, and most particularly, in the area from Lofoten to the area called Finnmark at the very top of Norway, near Russia. We only had an hour-long ferry stop (the ferry was late) to take in the wonders of the Lofoten Krigsminne-museum (www.loftenkrigmus.no) which is situated right next to the dock in a straight off the street ground floor entry to two large rooms and two very small ones. We could have spent all day, and the next one too, examining the materials on display.

    You could hardly call them curated. This was one of those museums owned by a personal enthusiast, and there was little sequencing or order to the collection. This made it so interesting, for treasures popped up everywhere unexpectedly. For example, one Australian woman we got taking to, and her husband, said they had read that a painting by Hitler was held here. She asked where it was, and pulled us over to view it. It was in a cabinet with many other things, and hung on the side wall of the cabinet so you looked at it obliquely. It turned out to be a picture of a largish house with a neat pathway of fringing bushes leading to it. In the background, a towering mountain range of bald peaks. It had some punctillious merit but no real sense of artistic interpretation; the sort of thing that might have been done by a signwriter on his day off, in imitation of a chocolate box top. Also on display, simply hanging in nearby in a set of plastic folders, were some 1930’s style Disney characters in watercolours, specifically taken from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Hitler, it seemed, was very taken with this Disney interpretation of an old Germanic legend, and the drawn characters were his own now authenticated effort at reproducing them. Again, a signwriter’s triumph. They had turned up behind another picture in an old frame in a Geerman attic.

    At first entry your eye is taken in this museum by the mannequin display of males with Nordic and Germanic features, as seen in old haberdashery and clothing stores and probably sourced from there, in a variety of original uniforms. There were Russian, German, Norwegian and British uniforms of all ranks, plus SS uniforms, absolutely heaps of weapons of various sorts, and also a specialist ‘smoke makers’ uniform worn by those men whose job it was to put smoke over the Terpitz and Scharnhorst battleships to obscure them from allied bombing. There were also camoflague uniforms for snow and ice work, plus the sad uniforms worn by Germany’s prisoners of war – mainly Russians and Serbs, with many records, relics and tales of their hard time and deaths in these Nordic slave labor lands during the German occupation. The photographs were heartbreaking, as were the stories of attempts, especially via Norwegian children, to help them with foodstuffs etc. There were tales too of good Germans as well as thuggish ones, and of Norwegians who fought for Germany and ended up badly at Stalingrad, including 300 Norwegian nurses on the German side there. Some ‘good’ Germans also resisted Hitler’s order of complete destruction of the Nordic north when they withdrew in 1944, but not nearly enough, and over 20000 buildings were razed; the North had to be completely resettled and rebuilt after 1945.

    Treasures haphazardly on display included an original Enigma machine, Hitlers artwork as well as items taken by Russian soldiers from the Berlin bunker: his magnifying glass, Eva Braun’s purse (engraved with a flowerly ‘Eva’), and a genuine metal cyanide pill container (shudder). There were medals of all sorts galore under a glass display. Most of the items though were just ‘there’, and touchable if one was moved enough to do so given their historical value. Hairy did indeed carefully take the end of the flag hanging limply from a hook on the wall, an original swastica flag from the Terpitz battleship, holding it out to examine it fully. The larrikin husband of the Australian woman we had been talking to (told us his liver was having a holiday due to the Norwwegian alcohol prices) came up and got his wife to take a photo of him holding it out. He also asked the owner about the air raid siren standing in a doorway near the entry and was invited to turn the handle and give it a go. It worked! We all held our hands over our ears, and he was one absolutely delighted man to have been given such a privilege. There were musical instruments from the Terpitz, sunk at Tromso with the loss of over 1600 German men. Apparently many of the men could be heard for days banging on the sinking or sunken sides, trapped, until their sounds died away with them. Just awful to read as having taken place not far from the new white Cathedral of the Arctic where we had the night before enjoyed such sublime music.

    And these items I mention above were just scratching the surface of this amazing place. Rather gruesome in its reality too was a mock-up of a Gestapo interrogation room that you entered and then closed the door, with life sized figures of two officers and a prisoner suspended in torture; apparently an authentic representation of a similar room that had existed in a local building until recently – but with all of the paraphernalia, including the mandatory picture of Hitler, included for effect. Grissly and horrible.

    More hopeful was some of the paraphernalia, flottsam mostly, from some of the convoys and also from the ‘Shetland Bus’, which we had read about already in Shetland. During the war this group of small boats kept open a refugee and supply line to partisans in Norway to and from the Shetland Islands. Many though were killed in these endeavours as it was a dangerous business in these heavily contested waterways supplying Russia with American equipment to help win the war. We also saw a Spitfire propeller blade and quite a bit of other equipment for fighting in the severe Arctic climate, plus more on the mass evictions and scorched earth policies that occurred when the Germans retreated from Finnmark and Lofoten in October 1944.

    Apparently this museum has a Facebook page too. One endearing thing about it is that the English language translations appear to have been done by the owner and have a rather wonky tone at times. Quisling gets a mention, and we also see the brass plate from his office door proudly announcing his position, as does the Commandant of the whole area receive a very negative review. Both men, it appears, were ‘without humorist’.

  93. Drink-Up Socrates

    My poor ol doggo has died; so I couldn’t spend the afternoon kicking him.
    Had to content myself with dispatching a bucket of vitriol to my local Pothios creature. He won’t care. He doesn’t care about the electorate which was gifted to him by the McGrath fixer. He knows that he is safe and has to pay his dues to the big men – that is all that is important.
    The fact that the cretin spells his name with Ll should be sufficient reason for him to be taken behind the wood heap.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Forgot to mention too that there were some relics and photographs of some of the German soldiers who were sent to this region of Norway to recover from the effects of battle on the Russian front. Apparently many of these men, as well as being physically weak, had become quite mentally affected and were suffering from all sorts of post-traumatic stress as well as outright psychosis. One of them bayonetted to death a thirteen year old girl who had refused to take a lolly from him. The museum interpretation however showed a certain sympathy for them as casualties of war.

  95. calli

    Oh, Socrates, so sorry to hear that.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That museum was a potent reinforcement, if one was ever needed, of how dangerous it is to accept ideas of any one group of people being superior in some biological way to another; an object lesson in the need to treat all as individuals and judge on character rather than ideology and ideas of ‘racial’ difference that go far beyond any dispassionate biological science (that complex can of worms). The ‘untermenschen’ who were the Russian prisoners, and the official German attitude that as ‘sub-humans’ these people were expendable, especially in the Gestapo run slave labor camps (less so in those run by the Wehrmacht), showed just how ingrained the spurious ideology of Germanic racial ‘purity’ had become.

    Hence too my concern when such ideas seem to get occasionally fielded here on the Cat, even if they represent some lived experiences with other ethnicities, because such experiences can slide over into ‘untermenschen’ sorts of thinking. I am not excusing here the sort of lunacies about ‘racism’ we see on the left, where everything is racist, but suggest we take care not to veer into tawdry waters ourselves.

  97. .

    Little Green Footballs is still around.

    It just schills for John Oliver and Samantha Bee.

  98. John Constantine

    Their turnbulls last desperate throw of the population Ponzi scheme, the extra million property services consuming visa leg of the Ponzi:

    The Australian dollar used to be worth one ten-millionth of the value of the average Melbourne mega-mansion.

    Now the Australian dollar is only worth one forty-millionth of the value of the same mansion.

    The property Ponzi has devalued the buying power of the Australian dollar to a quarter of what it was.

    Comrades.

  99. Top Ender

    Lizzie, I recommend reading Through Hell for Hitler – copies usually available cheaply on Abebooks. The story of a German trooper in Europe in the war.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hey, Baal is not good. He was like Odin, a bloodthirsty receiver of human sacrifice.

    The Christian God is a far more thought-out and worthwhile version of ‘the good’ as shown by some very careful theology, which gods like Baal and Odin came far too early in history to share.
    ————

    Sorry to hear about your doggo, Socrates. Shed a tear, a brave face is hard when they die.

    Glad your greatness is being expressed in such a nice way, Wivenhoe. Babies are beautiful.

    ——————–

    African ways win again.

    Socialism still operative and thieving again in Tanzania re mining, although we did think there was growing resistance to this at various senior levels in Tanzania and there are certainly strong moves to clamp down on obvious corruption of the paper-bag sort in everyday life. Let’s not forget too that mendacious rent-seeking politicians are not unknown to us either; Shane Wand did his best to work a socialist mining tax. Thankfully, his best was a dog’s breakfast and the hold-up failed.

  101. Jessie

    I refer to the GARMA Festival 3-6/8/2018, undoubtedly many journalists and persons of influence attended…………. and of which The Australian this year has not provided front page full colour photos this year. Nor Stephen Fitzpatrick Indig Affairs editor has written of the festival of intellects.

    Anyway, I was never aware of an Arnhemland Jungle Fowl, and wondered why the feathered friend had not been domesticated. My betters may enlighten me on this question.

    My brother spoke about the jungle fowl yesterday. That jungle fowl is meaningless to most of you but to us it is our sacred ancestor Danburama¸ who is both a spirit-woman and a creator.

    The idea that we do not own that little bird, who gave us land, ceremony, song and painting, and who is so much a part of us, is as worrying to us as the idea that Parliament House can be taken from you.

    Or the idea that your cathedral could be bulldozed by a new owner in the morning.

    Djilawurr, the Jungle Fowl, and Dhanburama the spirit-woman are a total part of us, just like the land that she created for us.

    The idea that everything in this soil does not belong to us, is at its heart a false statement. We own it because our ancestors made it for us and we stay connected with them, and them to us, through our song-lines and our ceremonies and our beliefs.

    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law

    Source: DJAWA YUNUPINGU – SPEECH 4 AUGUST 2018

  102. zyconoclast

    Barry
    #2794867, posted on August 21, 2018 at 9:36 am
    I just want to know whether my homo Tim Wilson was in the 48 or the 35 so I can decide whether to vote for him again.

    Tim Wilson was in the 48. Here’s the 38.

    Of course he was.
    Maocolm must have promised to double his printing allowance.

  103. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender
    #2795473, posted on August 21, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    There is an expat American, living around here – Ex United States Navy. He served on the U.S.S. Missouri, when that ship was recommissioned. We reckon that was the ultimate in “big boys toys.”

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks, Top Ender. I will recommend it to Hairy for perusal before I can get to it as I will be flat out researching and writing up when I return. The woman we met in the museum came up to us at dinner that night and thanked him for his elaborating expertise in discussion with her. He was quite chuffed. I only told her a few things about Churchill and the war up here, he says to my enquiring look as she departed. He really does have a strong interest in the sorts of things the militaty Cats here enjoy; the various wars of history and the politics of it all. He is very well read in general history, although not specifically on military things only. Unusual in a computer scientist and a bonus for me in a life companion.

  105. Jessie

    Should have bolded this finale and stated glad to have been a product of and end-user of western civilisation thru the eons. 🙂

    The idea that everything in this soil does not belong to us, is at its heart a false statement. We own it because our ancestors made it for us and we stay connected with them, and them to us, through our song-lines and our ceremonies and our beliefs.

    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law.

  106. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey, Baal is not good. He was like Odin, a bloodthirsty receiver of human sacrifice.

    I always thought Dagon was interesting, like a cross between a dag and Baygon.

    Lofoten Krigsminne-museum

    Here is the link. Looks like a very nice website. There’s an English language option but a quick read suggest autotranslation. Enough to get a reasonable understanding though.

    Hitler’s Unknown Watercolours

  107. cohenite

    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law

    Source: DJAWA YUNUPINGU – SPEECH 4 AUGUST 2018

    Native Title on steroids.

  108. old bloke

    That jungle fowl is meaningless to most of you but to us it is our sacred ancestor Danburama¸ who is both a spirit-woman and a creator.

    It’s common in India, Indonesia and PNG, they must have their ancestors mixed up.

  109. stackja

    cohenite
    #2795503, posted on August 21, 2018 at 8:16 pm
    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law

    Source: DJAWA YUNUPINGU – SPEECH 4 AUGUST 2018

    Native Title on steroids.

    HC rule Mabo under soil?

  110. Jessie

    RobK
    re WA + Tas prices- thank you.

  111. Habib

    ZK2A, the Iowa class are big boats, but dwarfed by the Yamoto class, nearly twice the tonnage, with 18.1” main armament. Proved the nail in the coffin of battlewagons, both being smoked by carrier aircraft. Was on the New Jersey when it called here back in the ‘80s, they let a couple of salvos go from a front turret for the meeja. Bloody hell of a ruckus.

  112. .

    Odin, a bloodthirsty receiver of human sacrifice.

    Really not much evidence for this at all. Pre Christian English did not do this either.

  113. Snoopy

    Jungle Fowl would be an excellent name for the Yunupingu Inc helicopter.

  114. Frank

    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law

    Stoneage culture would have little use for metals methinks.

  115. cohenite

    HC rule Mabo under soil?

    Mabo gives no native title rights to minerals, gas or petroleum. Yet.

  116. stackja

    cohenite
    #2795514, posted on August 21, 2018 at 8:26 pm
    HC rule Mabo under soil?

    Mabo gives no native title rights to minerals, gas or petroleum. Yet.

    I hadn’t heard of this, so assumed not. Who would want to explore if they lose?

  117. cohenite

    The access fees are royalties except in name in any event. Mabo is rotten law.

  118. Bruce of Newcastle

    Stoneage culture would have little use for metals methinks.

    Not so. Pretty! The ladies love pretty.
    This interesting article was in the news a couple weeks ago:

    Discovery of copper band shows Native Americans engaged in trade more extensively than thought

    “Our research shows that Native Americans living roughly 3,500 years ago were engaged in extensive trade networks spanning far greater distances than we had previously assumed (more than 1,500 km) and across various regions that we did not know were connected (the Great Lakes and the coastal Southeast),” said Matthew Sanger, assistant professor of anthropology at Binghamton University.

    Northern USA had a large source of native copper, which became the source of objects like the one described. It was possible with native copper, and also gold nuggets of course, to hammer the metal into shapes with very simple tools and no heat. Then polishing just by rubbing with bark or even clay would bring out the colour of the metal.

    Bling in the stone age was the very first bling!

  119. Boambee John

    And we own the minerals too, by the way. That is our law

    We didn’t know they existed, nor did we understand the concept of “minerals”, nor did we have any idea what could be done with them, but we own them now we know about them.

  120. Zatara

    Today is the 50th anniversary of the Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia.

    <a href="“>An eyewitness account.

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its only inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill

  121. Ubique

    Sportsbet has now installed Dutton as favourite at $1.60 for Liberal leader going into the next election. Turnbull is out to $2.20 and dropping like a stone.

  122. John Constantine

    Don’t hold back on our behalf, Philippa,this is the Cat, feel free to tell us what you really think about turnbull.

  123. Philippa Martyr

    Nice spray Philippa.

    Mighty like a cactus.

  124. Philippa Martyr

    Don’t hold back on our behalf, Philippa,this is the Cat, feel free to tell us what you really think about turnbull.

    Just look at all the linkies in the Quadders piece too. Back to the place where it all began.

  125. Delta A

    Bravo, Philippa!

    You’ve written that on behalf of many exasperated conservatives.

  126. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dot, when you go to Uppsala in Sweden there is substantial evidence of the nine-year and nineteen-year cycles of sacrifice to Odin of both animals and human beings in the sacred groves there, now the area beside the Christian church; an area feared by many long after Christianisation in medieval times.

    In fact, Uppsala town was moved away from this site due to ongoing superstitions about it.

    The Romans left many reports of sacrifices to Odin, with both physical trophies and captured soldiers being summarily executed in such sacrifices. Human sacrifice is believed by many archaeologists, even in Britain, to have been part of the ancient religious system. The bog bodies in Ireland, Britain and Scandinavia seem also to have been ritual sacrifices of human beings, with stomachs showing contents of a ritual meal including mistletoe, about which there are many myths, and also druidic beliefs.

    In some Arthurian traditions, Merlin died a ritual ‘triple death’ of hanging, strangling and drowning.

  127. DrBeauGan

    Philippa Martyr
    #2795527, posted on August 21, 2018 at 8:39 pm
    Bwahahahahahah!

    Take that!

    Good work, Pippa.

  128. John Constantine

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180821/pdf/43xhyxk5qg5h98.pdf

    Their population Ponzi has truly made fortunes in the area of crap.

    Forty million dollar yachts and mansions are purchased with the spoils from putrescents.

    The massive population growth of the cities has turned shite into billions, as this acquisition of ‘dial a dump’ by ‘bingo’ lays out.

  129. Dave in Marybrook

    This country’s stuffed.
    With so many countries, from yuge America to lil’ Hungary shaking free of leftism, we’re inescapably lined up for a decade of Unions, Gramscians, and Warmists.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its only inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill

    I’ve got a sweatshirt with that quote on it. Wore it down to vote last time, and nearly got into a fight with some Labor member.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for putting up the Museum link, Bruce. If you click on the Expedia tile you get taken to reports from travellers, all enthusistic, about the place (in Norwegian). About three or four comments down someone has posted a series of good pictures of some of the contents of the museum, including the Gestapo interrogation room and Eva Braun’s purse (which is metal, with a leather ‘accordian’ inside for contents.

  132. Old School Conservative

    A great article by Phillipa, including this brilliant simile:
    If you want to belong to a big tax-and-spend party with a right and left wing that fight like financially over-extended suburban parents, join the ALP.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bwahahahahahah!
    Take that!

    Heh, Philippa, Marcus is looking very good. The surmise on 2GB as I was on Pennant Hills Rd this arvo was that Dutton could get the required seven samurai by Thursday, or after next Newspoll day.

    As to the self-harm propensity of the Liberal Party, I do think it is actually a religious divide like the ALP/DLP. I rabbit on about such things but the whole NEG fiasco strongly suggests that the Libs are split into two camps: those who Believe and those who don’t. The object of believers’ belief is of course the dire need to save the world from global warming.

    That sounds like a cliché nowadays, yet that’s what it looks like to me. The left wing of the Liberal Party are acolytes of Mr Gore and the others are Libs who read the Cat and Jonova. The infighting is vicious like a small sectarian war – with all the usual unpleasantness driven by fanaticism.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the next few weeks go.

  134. MsDolittle

    fight like financially over-extended suburban parents, join the ALP.

    ouch! The light can really hurt.

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well said on Quadrant, Phillipa. Done with great style.

    Bill Shorten, the unpainted garden gnome.
    That’s a keeper.
    Yes, we probably do deserve him.
    But his expansion of the Liberal’s current energy madness could keel us right over.
    I don’t look forward to that at all.

  136. Top Ender

    The last deployment of the Yamato was a desperate dash for Okinawa.

    She was supposed to draw off US air power to allow a massive suicide strike by land-based aircraft from Japan to hit the American invasion forces around the island.

    Then she was to be beached and her guns used to attack the attacking Allied forces.

    Crazy idea and sunk in no short order by the attacking aircraft as mentioned above.

    A total of 2,498 men had been lost aboard Yamato, 446 from the escorting cruiser Yahagi, and a further 721 from the escorting destroyers.

    The US forces lost 12 aircraft and their crews.

  137. cohenite

    Bwahahahahahah!

    Take that!

    Turdball is terrible, tits will be worse but no less than Australia deserves. Is that right?

  138. Philippa Martyr

    Turdball is terrible, tits will be worse but no less than Australia deserves. Is that right?

    YES!

    And stop romanticising the Abbott Legacy.

    The poor man; I met him in Hobart recently. We talked; well, he talked and I listened. Being me, I did what I had longed to do for years, and told him to go to Mass on Sundays – that it would make a difference.

    He remembered my old dad from the DLP days, though, by which I was touched.

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    it is actually a religious divide like the ALP/DLP.

    Yes. Climate Change is a religion. No doubt about that.
    Promulgated by government and the media with no questionning allowed.
    Most ordinary people do not even realise the issue is based on questionnable science.
    Such is the power of the accepted authority.
    If the Libs split on the issue it would introduce a necessary element of public doubt.
    The much needed schism.

  140. Gab

    So far today, 6 ministers have offered the PM their resignations. Turnbull lives in interesting times.

  141. Philippa Martyr

    fight like financially over-extended suburban parents, join the ALP.

    ouch! The light can really hurt.

    Hey, we’ve all been there. If you’ve ever been to a private school sports day and sat with a crowd of them, you know exactly what I mean.

  142. Gab

    Make that seven as another one goes pop.

  143. Philippa Martyr

    Heh, Philippa, Marcus is looking very good. The surmise on 2GB as I was on Pennant Hills Rd this arvo was that Dutton could get the required seven samurai by Thursday, or after next Newspoll day.

    Marcus is indeed looking good; he’s the closest contender so far for the real deal.

  144. Makka

    Bwahahahahahah!

    Great rant, Phillipa.

  145. Jessie

    cohenite, old bloke, stackja snoopy,

    I imagine the speech set a new tone and ‘gives legend’ to underpin the Uluru Statement/Treaty.

    With the feministas Pricing out the political landscape in more ways than one predicated only on the ‘violence’ scene, and underpinned by hefty support of urban others, where else can the propaganda machine turn to?
    Egg laying female bush chooks creators. Noel Pearson never took this one, northe other MArfcias and the newer generation of same.

    Allied with the publicised problems of girls and women in India, PNG and Indonesia of female violence etc what better cultural excuse for the Galarrwuys etc in the current climate of development studies?
    Oops East Timor, West Papua and many Pacific nations could be included:)

  146. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    9h
    Just watched former Intelligence Official Phillip Mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating wonderful
    @PARISDENNARD
    over Brennan’s Security Clearance. Dennard destroyed him but Mudd is in no mental condition to have such a Clearance. Should be REVOKED?
    @seanhannity

    Yes Donny, revoke Mudd’s security clearance. He’s nuts.

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    Speaking of acolytes of Gore, I was amused to see on the M4 a giant yellow banner ad. With a surprisingly thin-looking Clive Palmer, and a slogan “Make Australia Great”. He is shameless!

  148. Cassie of Sydney

    Great piece Phillipa. You have put into words what many of us are thinking.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    Soooo, Phillipa … are you suggesting that the window for Potential Greatness(tm) is narrowing?

  150. C.L.

    I’ve been reading the Catholic Weekly’s coverage of the launch – by Malcolm Turnbull – of Greg Sheridan’s book, God Is Good For You. I’ d really like to believe in the project but it strikes me as bizarre to see a Catholic who came out in favour of homosexual “marriage” (contrary to the faith he professes) tapping a Catholic prime minister who came out in favour of abortion on demand to speak about a book whose thesis is the lamentable decline of Christian faith in the public square. For lack of self-awareness, this is hard to top.

  151. Philippa Martyr

    I’ve been reading the Catholic Weekly’s coverage of the launch – by Malcolm Turnbull – of Greg Sheridan’s book, God Is Good For You. I’ d really like to believe in the project but it strikes me as bizarre to see a Catholic who came out in favour of homosexual “marriage” (contrary to the faith he professes) tapping a Catholic prime minister who came out in favour of abortion on demand to speak about a book whose thesis is the lamentable decline of Christian faith in the public square. For lack of self-awareness, this is hard to top.

    You lost me at ‘Malcolm Turnbull’.

  152. C.L.

    Philippa, I just read your column, “Why are we turning a bling eye” in the Weekly (12 August).
    It is magnificent.

  153. C.L.

    blind eye, dammit.
    The bling eye is what we don’t need any more of.

  154. Philippa Martyr

    Ah I see that has now appeared. I was hoping it would. It was in print a couple of weekends ago, complete with glamour headshot of Token Crumpet.

  155. C.L.

    I read the print version.
    I get around to the Catholic papers during the week, typically.
    The picture is very nice.

  156. Gab

    Why are we turning a bling eye”

    Or even a blind eye 🙂

    Yes, Philippa. it was excellent.

    You are such a talented person.

  157. Nick

    Philippa, I drove by Castle Martyr’ in Ireland the other day

  158. Muzzlehatch

    There is a discussion on a narrow swath of the ultra wasp American mindset as to what they call the “JQ”.

  159. Philippa Martyr

    Philippa, I drove by Castle Martyr’ in Ireland the other day

    Arrgh dat be de ancestral houme before da thieving English came. Oh Danny booyyyyyy ….

  160. Makka

    Being me, I did what I had longed to do for years, and told him to go to Mass on Sundays – that it would make a difference.

    Geez, Philippa. You couldn’t ask why in God’s name didn’t he stomp all over Turdball when he had the chance as PM? It’s one of the biggest mysteries to me of Abbott’s short PMship. Instead, of all things, he gave him the ALPBC and a cabinet post to plot from.

  161. Muzzlehatch

    Any chance we can rationally drill down on such a loaded topic? I can be the clean skin. My Power Level is ~bailing out of of a discussion when it becomes too idiotic~. Leave you all to throw each other into gas chambers.

  162. Philippa Martyr

    I’ve been reading the Catholic Weekly’s coverage of the launch – by Malcolm Turnbull – of Greg Sheridan’s book, God Is Good For You. I’ d really like to believe in the project but it strikes me as bizarre to see a Catholic who came out in favour of homosexual “marriage” (contrary to the faith he professes) tapping a Catholic prime minister who came out in favour of abortion on demand to speak about a book whose thesis is the lamentable decline of Christian faith in the public square. For lack of self-awareness, this is hard to top.

    You should email the editor of the Catholic Weekly and say this to him.

  163. Philippa Martyr

    Geez, Philippa. You couldn’t ask why in God’s name didn’t he stomp all over Turdball when he had the chance as PM? It’s one of the biggest mysteries to me of Abbott’s short PMship. Instead, of all things, he gave him the ALPBC and a cabinet post to plot from.

    I know. But he’d been having such a serious spiritual-type conversation with Dom Pius Noonan OSB of Notre Dame Priory before I lurched up. I didn’t have the heart to go for the jugular.

    That’s the thing about T Abbott; he has a strangely neutralising effect on Catholic females. All I wanted to do was straighten his tie and tell him to go to Mass more often.

  164. Jessie

    BoN @ 8.38

    Keep us updated on the results from the next 12 sites.

    Sanger and his colleagues at the University of Georgia and Northern Kentucky University have recently been granted a $300,000 grant from the National Science Foundation to study an additional 12 shell rings

  165. C.L.

    Trump gets a helping hand from James Clapper but figures what the hell and takes him out too:

    Donald J. [email protected]

    Even James Clapper has admonished John Brennan for having gone totally off the rails. Maybe Clapper is being nice to me so he doesn’t lose his Security Clearance for lying to Congress!

    Reminds me of that classic Trump moment. The moment Trump decides that while it’s Megyn Kelly in his sites, he might as well dispatch Wolf Blitzer while he’s here:

  166. Muzzlehatch

    Lots of folks are being deployed pondering on the JQ given current world politics and it seem you guys have a view. One that seems to carry the logic ” ouch that hurt”. And all that flows from that momentary interaction.

  167. H B Bear

    Reminds me of that classic Trump moment

    Still one of the funniest things I have seen on Youtube.

  168. Jessie

    Great opinion piece Philippa.
    Sorry to have missed you at the IPA Dinner 70th Dinner.

    I have been on Q Online most of the day, and had not seen your piece until I read CF comments tonight.
    Also various reading yet again of The Dries – earlier work and published by IPA 🙂

  169. .

    Human sacrifice is believed by many archaeologists, even in Britain, to have been part of the ancient religious system.

    There is no proof of all, that the pre-Christian English participated in human sacrifice.

    None at all.

    The proof otherwise for elsewhere is from dubious, politically motivated sources (particularly Charlemagne’s allies and vassals) with virtually no forensic evidence.

    Ritual execution (after a crime, after battle) is not per se analogous to human sacrifice.

  170. Muzzlehatch

    The Alt Right in America have a view on on the JQ that is blisteringly adverse. Probably only in America. Certainly not my experience with “Rootless Cosmopolitans” during my life in Austalia. In contradinction WASP Americans loate the Jooows

  171. Frank

    Ritual execution (after a crime, after battle) is not per se analogous to human sacrifice.

    They called it dentistry in those days, the material for prostheses don’t grow on trees you know.

  172. None

    “The Unpainted Garden Gnome “.

    Philippa. A magnificent column. Well said.

  173. Muzzlehatch

    If such discussion is to take place please make it pragmatic.

  174. Philippa Martyr

    Great opinion piece Philippa.
    Sorry to have missed you at the IPA Dinner 70th Dinner.

    I have been on Q Online most of the day, and had not seen your piece until I read CF comments tonight.
    Also various reading yet again of The Dries – earlier work and published by IPA 🙂

    I wasn’t there. I watched it and read it later.

  175. Makka

    Can you expand on “JQ”, muzzle? What mindset is that?

  176. “The Unpainted Garden Gnome “.

    Is that anything like “The Uncarved Block”?

  177. .

    The JQ is not a legitimate question and does not require any answers.

  178. Muzzlehatch

    Makka. I have been following the Alt Right philosophy over the last 4 years and they have an animus toward J3ws that extends to what they call the “JQ”. I neednt explain that.
    I am curious as to the mechanism behind this sentiment.

  179. Empire 5:5

    Muzzlehatch
    #2795590, posted on August 21, 2018 at 9:42 pm
    Any chance we can rationally drill down on such a loaded topic? I can be the clean skin. My Power Level is ~bailing out of of a discussion when it becomes too idiotic~. Leave you all to throw each other into gas chambers.

    Why are you so keen. What do you hope to achieve? Why here?

  180. Muzzlehatch

    Empire 5.5

    I am not keen. The JQ is being canvassed across the planet. I am merely curious as to the perspective you people might have.

  181. Snoopy

    I am merely curious as to the perspective you people might have.

    Check out the residents of Ouagadougou first then get back to us.

  182. Empire 5:5

    It’s not being “canvassed” any more than usual.

    Most of the discussion I see is actually professional shilling.

    You do know the so called alt-right is controlled opposition, right?

  183. Gab

    Oprah Winfrey waded deeper into political waters this summer by promoting the “Shout Your Abortion” movement and its attempts to normalize the killing of unborn babies.

    The July issue of her “O” magazine featured “Shout Your Abortion” founder Amelia Bonow in its “Inspiration” section, CNS News reports.

    Bonow, who began the campaign to urge women to brag about aborting their unborn babies, soon will be coming out with a new book by the same title, according to the report.

    She told the magazine how it all began in 2015: “[W]hen I found out that the House of Representatives had voted to defund Planned Parenthood. I kind of unraveled.

    “I opened Facebook and, without thinking, wrote, ‘Like a year ago, I had an abortion at Planned Parenthood…and I remember this experience with a nearly inexpressible level of gratitude.’ I hit Post 153 words later, and everything changed,” she continued.

    So sad. Words fail me.

  184. DrBeauGan

    Let me guess. The JQ is the joooish question, and you’re birdie, right?

  185. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy has just called Turnbull’s legacy ‘the greatest moral vanity of our time’.

  186. Makka

    The JQ is being canvassed across the planet.

    It’s been so for centuries. What is so exceptional about now?

  187. Muzzlehatch

    Please folks don’t think that I am trying to deploy or invoke some snivelling controversy. I am not.

    A very dear friend of mine died recently and it is at this inspiration of celebrating his life I let my apprehension of this plane gape anew.

    Oven dodger that he was.

  188. DrBeauGan
    #2795631, posted on August 21, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    I suspect you are right on both counts, Dr BeauGan.

  189. Tintarella di Luna

    Philippa Martyr – what a tour de force and thank you for all the links – an absolute delight to read and relish- Bill Shorten the unpainted garden gnome – I just love it. God bless you Philippa

  190. .

    It just goes down to historical bigotry and being in effect, Stateless, which in part was because of politically enforced bigotry, such as the Dews being expelled from England. The blood libel stuff was pretty nasty and prevalent on the continent; the Learned Protocols written by the Russian Imperial Government was one of the worst pieces of government-supported propaganda.

  191. Empire 5:5

    C.L.
    #2795627, posted on August 21, 2018 at 10:24 pm
    Not Bird

    This.

  192. Empire 5:5

    Please folks don’t think that I am trying to deploy or invoke some snivelling controversy. I am not.

    A very dear friend of mine died recently and it is at this inspiration of celebrating his life I let my apprehension of this plane gape anew.

    OK.

    My tip is this isn’t the forum for that discussion and no good will come from it.

  193. H B Bear

    Not Bird

    Doing a pretty good impression then.

  194. Muzzlehatch

    Duh? Is it that my line of enquiry match a poster who has been told to fuck off ?

  195. .

    It just goes down to historical bigotry and being in effect, Stateless, which in part was because of politically enforced bigotry, such as the Gews being expelled from England. The blood lye bell stuff was pretty nasty and prevalent on the continent; the Learninged Proto Coles written by the Russian Imperial Government was one of the worst pieces of government-supported propaganda.

  196. Empire 5:5

    This is correct, in my opinion.

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There is no proof of all, that the pre-Christian English participated in human sacrifice.

    None at all.

    There were no ‘English’ pre-Christianity, Dot. There were some Angles, mainly from Scandinavia where you would have a hard job indeed to suggest that ritual human sacrifice did not occur; don’t neglect the strong Scandinavian input into British traditional cultures; there is much evidence for that and not all of it later than Roman times.

    I think there is enough evidence of human sacrifice in archaeological remains of bog people, in the disaggregated skeletal remains found in Scandinavia as part of sacrifice, with limb bones tacked over doorways in ritual buildings, and replicated in British barrows with disarticulated heads, as well as the head-hunting widely seen throughout early Europe and Britain, with some Gallic ritual sites having niches for particularly significant heads. Killing in war was accepted by Romans, plus the taking of slaves or even cleaning dispensing with captive – but the Romans specifically mention the ritual practices that their own soldiers lived in terror of experiencing. Those barrows thorughout Britain and Europe too were not always burial sites, and certainly not for the mass of the population. A common finding too is walling up of what appear to be deliberately killed young infants in the foundations of buildings – an old Indo-European practice that still had cultural pull in Sri Lanka when I was there with my first ‘very fair’ child, sufficient to alarm me.

    Why are you so keen to exonerate ‘the English’?

  198. C.L.

    The July issue of her “O” magazine featured “Shout Your Abortion” founder Amelia Bonow in its “Inspiration” section, CNS News reports…

    “I opened Facebook and, without thinking, wrote, ‘Like a year ago, I had an abortion at Planned Parenthood…and I remember this experience with a nearly inexpressible level of gratitude.’ I hit Post 153 words later, and everything changed,” she continued.

    Bonow is, of course, lying to herself and to everyone else.
    She is mentally and emotionally damaged, as her Twitter site demonstrates.

    And scroll down to see who’s there to cheer her on. Another totally undamaged abortion zealot.

    —————

    Exemplars:

    Amelia [email protected]

    The fact that abortion is an untouchable subject influences the way we experience and process our own abortions. The woman in this video is lucid and self-aware. She knows that abortion is normal, that she is going to have one, and that her feelings about it are her own.

    #ShoutYourAbortion
    —————
    @ShoutYrAbortion
    “My abortion was gentle, irreverent, and empowering.” Wonderful video submitted to our site by a lovely human who chronicled her abortion in real-time: https://bit.ly/2OR6e2Z 💛🌺💛 Thank you for sharing this! #ShoutYourAbortion

  199. Goodness me what ever Bird might be ?

  200. .

    1. Because you are so keen to besmirch them.

    2. The invasion theory is probably untrue. The English were likely always in England. There is archeological evidence that “English” towns had been continuously inhabited since at least Roman times. Nothern Europeans are all genetically and linguistically related. The idea that Germans were celts but cannot have a commonality in language with the Irish is nonsense. The link is the English, who use “Irish” sentence structure. Swedes, Danes, etc routinely travelled and settled in England well before Charlemagne’s wars. Calling the Anglen “Nordic” rather than “German” is of course mischevious. They are all “Thedish.

    3. The idea that everything was “grim-dark” before Christianity is just ahistorical pull plop.

    Germany was the centre of Western Christianity outside of Italy for over 1000 years, yet they became one of the charnel houses of 20th century Europe.

  201. P

    MH, good to see you back. You liven up things.

    Cheers.

    Please don’t pick on Muzzlehatch. He’s one of the good guys here.

  202. BrettW

    Muzzlehatch,
    Anybody who refers to a “very dear friend” as an “oven dodger” is no friend. In fact I would go as far as to say you are a major d**k h**d.

  203. Confused Old Misfit

    Muzzlehatch

    A reader of Mervyn Peake perhaps?

  204. BrettW

    P,
    If you are giving character references for somebody who uses the term “oven dodger” I suggest you have a poor understanding of who the good guys are.

  205. Steve trickler

    A lovely walk in Paris.

    Free and unhindered. No threats from anyone on the street.



  206. .

    BrettW
    #2795656, posted on August 21, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    Muzzlehatch,
    Anybody who refers to a “very dear friend” as an “oven dodger” is no friend. In fact I would go as far as to say you are a major d**k h**d.

    You have to around here, otherwise, you get moderated.

  207. Marcus Classis

    Back in Brussels and catching up before I head back stateside in a bit. Going to spend a day in a red zone near Verdun with the French deminers first, should be lots of fun. Even get to play in the gas shell dump they found a while back.

    My contacts in Parliament house tell me that Senator Fierravanti-Wells resigned as a Minister at 1800 your time, and they think another might go as well.

    “Our conservative base strongly feel that their voice has been eroded.” Indeedy. Mal’s staffers say he flew into quite a rage.

    They don’t think the Turdball will last the week. Interesting times.

  208. Leo G

    Yes. Climate Change is a religion. No doubt about that.
    Promulgated by government and the media with no questionning allowed.
    Most ordinary people do not even realise the issue is based on questionnable science.
    Such is the power of the accepted authority.

    Climate change is just another half-sold duck- a political canard. It’s not religion nor science, but a half-science hoax fed to fools.

  209. Makka

    “Our conservative base strongly feel that their voice has been eroded.” Indeedy. Mal’s staffers say he flew into quite a rage.

    Excellent. Let that conservative base be the stake in this stinking Govt and it’s PM’s heart.

  210. None

    BrettW

    #2795658, posted on August 21, 2018 at 11:07 pm

    +1

  211. None

    The majority of children who get aborted in America are black. Abortion is repugnant at the best of times but when you have a rich black woman namely Oprah pushing such a disgusting movement like “shout your abortion” -like you should be proud that you killed your own children but prouder still thar most of the children you killed are black – just shows the depth of depravity to which the godless can sink.

  212. None

    They don’t think the Turdball will last the week. Interesting times.

    I hope they’re alright Marcus. Safe travels.

  213. BorisG

    Duh? Is it that my line of enquiry match a poster who has been told to fuck off ?

    Bird has amnesia?

  214. BorisG

    And if this idiot isn’t Bird then it is an indictment what kind of people Cat now attracts.

  215. None

    According to Alice Workman #libspill resignation list so far:
    Peter Dutton
    Michael Sukkar
    James McGrath
    Concetta Fierravanti-Wells
    Angus Taylor
    Zed Seslja
    Michael Keenan
    Steve Ciobo

    Mc Grath interesting one isn’t he one of the snakes that orchestrated the Turnbull coup?

  216. .

    You don’t get it do you Boris?

    He’s blaming Christianity for anti-cemitism.

    He’s partly right to do so.

    As a historic institution, Christianity failed to live up by its own rules in treating their older Abrahamic brothers well – I’m sure Bruce can quote the Letter to the Romans from the Bible on how Christians ought to treat the people that Jesus Christ was born into.

  217. BrettW

    Dot, correct me if I am wrong but are you defending the use of the words “oven dodger” on the grounds the other word beginning with J might get moderated, because that is what your post looks like.

  218. Oh come on

    The Alt Right in America have a view on on the JQ that is blisteringly adverse

    Yeah no shit. The alt-right is a fringe bunch of white supremacist whack-jobs.

    In contradinction WASP Americans loate the Jooows

    Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Evidence for this assertion?

    And oh look. Perennial whiner and sympathy whore P rocks up to give a character reference for Muzzlehatch.

    I suppose Elle will be along soon – another perennial whiner and sympathy whore – to *again* shove her 2c in about how people here feel about the Juze, just as Muzzlybaby was doing above.

    The synchronicity of the above is a bit suspect, no?

  219. Oh come on

    And if this idiot isn’t Bird then it is an indictment what kind of people Cat now attracts.

    Fuck off, Boris. You’re here, so does that make the Cat a magnet for illogical morons?

  220. Makka

    You don’t get it do you Boris?

    He rarely does. Anti-semitism commentary has been spotted on rare occasions on the cat for years. Trust Boris to fk it up making it some kind of recent phenom. It’s often best to get it out in the open, one of the many virtues of the cat.

  221. The latest anti-Dutton lying agitprop talking point is that he “walked out of Parliament when Rudd was delivering his Stolen Generations speech”.
    Well I would walk out of a speech apologising to the Na’vi because that is also a popularised fiction (though slightly more credible than the Stolen Generations).

  222. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The invasion theory is probably untrue. The English were likely always in England. There is archeological evidence that “English” towns had been continuously inhabited since at least Roman times. Nothern Europeans are all genetically and linguistically related. The idea that Germans were celts but cannot have a commonality in language with the Irish is nonsense. The link is the English, who use “Irish” sentence structure. Swedes, Danes, etc routinely travelled and settled in England well before Charlemagne’s wars. Calling the Anglen “Nordic” rather than “German” is of course mischevious. They are all “Thedish.

    You are preaching to the converted if you are addressing me, Dot. I have written here, and soon will appear in Quadrant, detailing some historical revision that can be made on some ancient texts once we rcognise the false ‘invasion’ of Saxon peoples in the fifth century. Contemporary opinion is now that it was a slow change that began much earlier. Indeed, I agree with Stephen Oppenheimer (in his book The ‘Origins of the British; a genetic detective story’ – I have been in email discussion with him concerning my Arthurian theories which he says are novel, interesting and plausible) that there was likely Germanic input into the language well before Roman times, and other cultural input. Remember that Germanic and Scandinavian are two broad, and sometimes overlapping, categories, especially when it comes to long term genetic studies and there was in early times much cultural interaction and trading. Also, I agree with most geneticist and archaologists that ‘celtic’ is a barely useful term these days, and certainly is not a genetic category nor useful in explaining any European migrations. It refers more to a culture of marginalisation. The Sutton Hoo site is definitely Scandinavian in influence. The Anglian kings all but one trace their descent from the Norse god Odin, not the Germanic variant of Woden, and the ship burial at Sutton Hoo has a mask that is Swedish, and many other similarities that Swedish archaeologists immediately identified as Swedish. Beowulf relates to these people’s origins also.

    Pre-Roman ‘townships’ did not really exist in Britain, although Oppida – religious and gathering centres – did exist in some areas, in East Anglia in the area of the Iceni for instance and in the Roman-influenced tribal areas of the south, client kingdoms in reality of Rome since before the times of Julius Caesar.

    I am not interested in either glorifying nor denigrating Britain’s past. I am far more interested in discovering more about the reality of it. When I was staying with Hairy in Lancaster an interesting Roman era tombstone was discovered by road workers, having been used on an ancient drain. It was a classic ‘riter’ stone, showing a Roman army officers in full head-dress slaughtering a benighted barbarian under the hoofs of his horse – where the ‘riter’ descriptor comes from. Interestingly, this Roman Officer was also following local practice. At his belt on the back of his horse was a charming arrangement of a number of human heads, to which he was just about to add another. Tribal societies and the civilisations that arose from them need strong stomachs and honesty about what is found. Not fairy stories about what good folk the people all were. In fact, I have a great respect for the religous cultures that came anterior to Christianity in Europe. I think a great cosmology once existed, the remnants of which we see only now in fairy tales and old beliefs. On can appreciate a cosmology without trying to ‘modernise’ it to suit contemporary tastes and sentiments.

  223. None

    Tomorrow’s Tele front page https://mobile.twitter.com/wrongdorey/status/1031870662648844289/photo/1
    Second tilt on the way. Scott Morrison might try to put himself forward as consensus candidate. Um nope you gutless wonder.

  224. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Leo, I think climate change becomes rather like a religion when people see adherence to it as a founding directive to their morality and the way they lead their lives, so that no action is immune from its grasp.

    I have come across quite a few ‘deep greenies’ who are like this, and who are very busy activists politically and socially prozeletizing their religion to others, with punishments for disbelief or apostasy. They are usually Marxists as well, which also has its own bell, book and candle.

    They’ll craze up further with Islam next and we’ll all be rooned.

  225. Makka

    As a historic institution, Christianity failed to live up by its own rules in treating their older Abrahamic brothers well –

    Over the centuries, the royal houses of Europe and their plethora of nobles have also done a very good job in co-opting and intimidating portions of the clergy and generally demonizing J’s. Then regularly taken advantage of those cultivated foul sentiments. Scapegoating and diversions for their own ends. I wouldn’t lay it all at Christianity’s feet.

  226. Makka

    Posting this link again from upthread.

    If anything explains the spiders web of treachery now coming apart in Washington and the US, this does it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some_dots/

    Here’s what it looks like when all the pieces are sewn together.

    From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

    A Grand Jury had been impanelled.

    And so we begin…

  227. struth

    God, every now and then true antisemites from the left invade this blog.
    The hang up about these people over the centuries is astounding.
    It’s born of the left.
    Always seeking a scapegoat for their own failures and with hearts heavy with envy.
    From socialist Hitler and the fascists and their mussie allies before and after and hefe on this blog.
    They still breath.
    Indeed are very much alive.
    Luckily we have found Sinclair to be very quick in dealing with them.

  228. BorisG

    uck off, Boris. You’re here, so does that make the Cat a magnet for illogical morons?

    I was here before most cranks joined in. Sure there were people with ‘diverse views’ but it used to be really diverse. Now … i think you see what I mean. You like it? Ok.

  229. Oh come on

    As a historic institution, Christianity failed to live up by its own rules

    So? There are a bunch of biblical stories that describe how God’s chosen people defied the will of God and had their arses handed to them by God as a consequence. Observant Jews study how, thousands of years ago, Jews failed to live up to *God’s* rules.

    Religious groups quite frequently don’t follow their rules. It’s good if they can learn lessons from these failures.

  230. Oh come on

    As a historic institution, Christianity failed to live up by its own rules

    So? There are a bunch of biblical stories that describe how God’s chosen people defied the will of God and had their arses handed to them by God as a consequence. Observant J3-ws study how, thousands of years ago, J3-ws failed to live up to *God’s* rules.

    Religious groups quite frequently don’t follow their rules. It’s good if they can learn lessons from these failures.

  231. BorisG

    Btw it took me to be away from oz for 4 days and I can’t get a sense of what is going on. From the other side of the globe the events in the ruling party look downright bizarre.

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Scapegoating and diversions for their own ends. I wouldn’t lay it all at Christianity’s feet.

    I agree. It is important to separate the ideals and beliefs of Christianity and those who utilised it for their own ends, both from within the Church and through external power sources to the Church. Such kings and magnates may also have acted in direct opposition to Church teaching at times. And the Church too made mistakes. One of the worst ones was to support witchcraft beliefs and trials.

    Each period and incidence needs examination in detail; overall generalisations are specious.

  233. Oh come on

    Now … i think you see what I mean.

    If you’re talking about anti-semitism, then no I don’t. This has always been a hostile environment for anti-Semites.

  234. BorisG

    Here they are all keenly awaiting Manafort verdict.

  235. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Boris, from the Arctic Circle, which we have just crossed back over on our way down, Australian politics is just some sort of whiteout blurrrrr. 🙂

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