Monday Forum: August 20, 2018

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  1. cohenite

    Any thoughts here on Greg Hunt? Who did he vote for yesterday and does he have a faction?

    Hunt is a greenie and alarmist. A very polite one but a fanatic.

  2. None

    Greg Hunt is a Lefty. He voted for Dutton yesterday. However I think you may be a bit of an old school Lefty who is partially decent. I remember Tony Abbott specifically thanking him in his concession speech when he got rolled.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Meanwhile, The Turnbull Government banned live exports last night.

    There’s this rather pleasant fantasy that the Middle Eastern markets will simply buy Australian chilled carcasses instead – sheep carcasses, that is. The customers have already ruled that out – they aren’t interested in chilled meat, they’ll just buy from any one of the thirty or so countries that export live sheep.

  4. None

    The best thing for Ben Cousins is that he’s putting permanent psychiatric care. Either that or he will be dead within 5 years if he doesn’t kill somebody first.

  5. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #2796055, posted on August 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm
    Any thoughts here on Greg Hunt? Who did he vote for yesterday and does he have a faction?

    Hunt is a greenie and alarmist. A very polite one but a fanatic.”

    Yep, my thoughts too, Greg Hunt always reminds me of that scene from the Cabaret where the young boy sings “Tomorrow Belongs to Me”. Mike Baird was the same.

    I don’t like fanatics of any persuasion.

  6. Only 8 out of 18 convictions. These offenses occurring before he worked for Trump but while he worked for Podesta (y’all know who he worked for). 10 charges thrown out as mistrials.
    Great job Rob! = /sarc

    Trump’s campaign manager convicted on eight charges of fraud.

    Meanwhile, Cohen officially flips on Trump, implicates him directly in pleading guilty to campaign finance violations over the floozy payoffs.

    And you lot still have the cojones to try to spin it! LOL.

  7. None

    I’m not sure that cancelling the licence for one live sheep exporter constitutes killing the industry although it may be close. There are still live cattle exports and a few smaller sjeep exporters as well. What is concerning is the two stupid women Ley and Henderson touting for a formal ban of live exports. Yes the Liberal Party has got such Nazis in their midst which is why I vote to destroy their livelihood instead.

  8. Herodotus

    Hunt is largely responsible for early white-anting of Liberal policy vis-a-vis climate.

  9. Herodotus

    Monty still has the nerve to avoid any notion of corruption in Democrat ranks up to and including the candidate and the past Preshizzle.

  10. H B Bear

    Meanwhile, The Turnbull Government banned live exports last night.

    That is not correct. They have cancelled the licence for Emanuel Exports, who were using retrofitted car carriers to ship sheep. Companies using purpose built livestock ships are business as usual.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the farmers but the actual export industry hasn’t done itself a lot of favours.

  11. Further to Tom’s Mike Lester toon, CNN’s go-to-guy reacts badly to the suggestion that you can monetise your security clearance.

    Bloody Hell!

    That is unbelievable viewing. The contempt on Mudd’s face for having to talk to a plantation escapee is striking and the way he talks to Paris is despicable. If that was a Republican talking to a black Democrat like that there would be riots. “Get out!”, the racist turd yells. Paris should have replied “I already got out you dog shit and you’re just pissed that more and more are escaping too!”.
    Trump should remove his security clearance and then his head from his shoulders. What a piece of shit.

  12. Herodotus

    Were they Russian floozies?

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m not sure that cancelling the licence for one live sheep exporter constitutes killing the industry although it may be close

    Emanuel Brothers are the largest exporters of live sheep in Australia, and Animals Australia have already announced that anyone else who tries to export live sheep, will be tied up in Court until Hell freezes over.

  14. Herodotus

    Why You Should Shun/Excommunicate the ABC

    Radio National’s program The Minefield has just been discussing the pros and cons, the justifications and nuances of refusing to engage with, participate in fellowship with or offer hospitality to those whose views are “really egregious” on topics like refugees – there would be a lot more topics for these guys to get shirty and shunny about!

    You can find the show on a podcast of you want to go “through the looking glass” into that world.

    It probably didn’t occur to them that they were really giving everyone a good reason to refuse to engage with the ABC.

  15. zyconoclast

    An award-winning South African winemaker foresees a potential catastrophe as government steers the country from socialism to a communistic failed state.

    “We are one of the countries with a wide gap between the rich and the poor, where 13 percent of the South African population of 56 million people are the ones paying income taxes,” Dreyer said in his interview with RT. “Yes, 13 percent make the country run. 18 million of the 56 million is reliant on social grants, and unemployment is at 37.5 percent, so yes it is much easier to hand out land as the money is drying up.”

  16. H B Bear

    ZK2A – I’m sure someone like Chris Corrigan would be able to deal with that. Ag guys are normally pretty good at it too.

  17. John Constantine

    Emanuel live sheep exporters as a business have a track record of success lower than turnbullites and pynefilth and Payne and Bishop combined.

    Not even worth putting up links to their ten worst media appearances.

    Sadly, the cut price death barges have so corrupted the international market to the stage that Wellard, the Australian exporter with new high welfare ships is going broke competing with the hell ships.

  18. mh

    So it seems Hunt is a true gaia believer.

    I was thinking along the lines of Hunt could get the others over the line for Dutton. Hunt seems a policy wonk and a bit of an accountant type, and could be a candidate for Treasurer.

  19. Roger

    The Minefield has just been discussing the pros and cons, the justifications and nuances of refusing to engage with, participate in fellowship with or offer hospitality to those whose views are “really egregious” on topics like refugees

    Many ME refugees are egregiously misogynistic.

    Yet the ABC is all for us providing hospitality to them.

  20. Ace again:

    Now, maybe Cohen has tapes of Trump specifically tying this to his election campaign. But maybe we just have to take his word for it.

    And again, if this is now a Very Serious Offence: It’s been known for a year that Hillary Clinton deliberately hid the purpose of her payments to Perkins Coie as “legal services” when in fact a big chunk of that money went for oppo research.

    Rather than simply omitting mention of them, she filed a deliberately false report for the purpose of disguising the nature of the payment.

    Why is Trump required to disclose the purpose of every nickel he spent in 2016 while Hillary Clinton is permitted to straight-up file false reports with the FEC without any criminal investigation whatsoever?

    Very good question.

  21. C.L.

    Like Wesley Snipes, Manafort has been convicted of tax evasion.
    Unlike Wesley Snipes, he was working for Democrats at the time.
    LOL.
    The Cohen thing is just a distraction squirrel that will – and can only – lead nowhere.
    Trump wins again.

  22. zyconoclast

    SOUTH AFRICA’s government has begun seizing land from white farmers, targeting two game farms in the northern province of Limpopo after talks with the owners to buy the properties collapsed.

    Johannesburg-based newspaper City Press reported owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand (£16.7m) for the land, but that the country’s government were willing to offer them just a tenth of that at 20 million rand (£1.67m).

  23. Lizzie;

    and of Norwegians who fought for Germany and ended up badly at Stalingrad, including 300 Norwegian nurses on the German side there.

    I’m unable to find any references to Norwegian units fighting on the German side at Stalingrad. The only foreign nurses were, I understand, actually part of 369th Motorised Regiment of the Croatian Army, attached to 100th Jaeger Infantry Division.
    The only other unit I can think of that had a large quantity of Norwegian nurses would have been 5th Waffen SS ‘Wiking’ which was covering the withdrawal of Army Group A from the Caucuses.
    Any information you could supply would be invaluable…

  24. stackja

    Emanuel Exports seem to be bad. Cut price?

  25. Steve trickler

    G’day, Confused Old Misfit.

    Star Wars Canyon. May 2nd 2018.

    I would have ducked for cover at 1:30 plus, too. The F-35’s have a unique “glow” to them. And we now know from the Royal International AIR TATTOO, July 2018, that they can be thrashed around.



  26. zyconoclast

    TREVOR PHILLIPS Race is a part of knife crime and we must speak the truth even if media avoids mentions of ethnicity
    Nothing could be more relevant than race in the fight against knife crime and failing to point this out imperils yet more children of colour

    THE skies are darkening over our island for boys like the teenager who was disembowelled in this week’s knife attack in Camberwell, South London.
    This attack is the latest in a senseless war between gangs — almost all comprised of black or Asian youngsters.

    If the toll had included white teens, I suspect there would be a national outcry.

    It is time to recognise that what started as a grim fight for territory between hardened criminals is turning into a massacre of the innocents.

    This year three of the killings have taken place within ten minutes of my doorstep.

    My own affluent North London street is surrounded by estates populated in part by the ethnic groups whose names feature in virtually every report of the violence: Somalis, Ethiopians, North and Central Africans, Afghans.

    The media scrupulously avoids mentioning ethnicity. I understand the fear of stigmatising these groups, but nothing could be more relevant.

    Race is part of the picture, and failing to point this out impedes the fight against these crimes — and imperils yet more children of colour.

    Met Police boss Cressida Dick made one of the few intelligent contributions by pointing out that much of the apparently random violence isn’t random at all: It’s the consequence of the war to supply middle-class parties with drugs.

    But even if we could reduce the demand, it will take time, and these children don’t have time. They are in mortal danger now.

    Depressingly, I would hardly change a word of my advice to Gordon Brown when he reached out to me after a spate of killings 12 years back.

    A disproportionate number of the killers and their victims come from single-parent households, with mothers holding down multiple jobs.

    These women need help, whether in the form of another responsible adult in the home, or just straight cash that would free them to spend more time with their sons.

    Pupil Referral Units, all too often prep schools for gang violence, should either be properly funded or disbanded.

    I support the ambitious idea that we should make it possible for boys who want to get out of the gang life to board at schools away from home — they don’t all have to be posh.

    When I showed signs of “going wrong” my parents dispatched me to the other side of the Atlantic, to a school in Guyana, where the expression “rod of iron” has an all too concrete meaning.

    And we need a new deal with police. I don’t entirely buy claims their hands are tied by political correctness.

    Nonetheless, we should stop obsessing about disproportionality in the use of stop and search, even perhaps removing legal inhibitions to focusing on particular high-crime areas.

    But in turn, the police must accept the roll-out of body-worn cameras.

    To paraphrase great African American activist Malcolm X, we need to defeat this challenge by any means necessary.

    Our children’s lives depend on it. And their (black) lives matter.

  27. C.L.

    Manafort evaded tax in the Obama era!

  28. zyconoclast

    Children are being trafficked from Vietnam and other countries to perform slave labour on hundreds of cannabis farms across London, experts have warned.

    New figures released on Monday expose the scale of illegal cannabis farming in the British capital, where police said they had found 314 farms since 2016 — the equivalent of one every two days — according to Scotland Yard data obtained by the London Evening Standard.

  29. mh

    Mr Rusty, here is some more Philip Mudd

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Many ME refugees are egregiously misogynistic.
    Yet the ABC is all for us providing hospitality to them.

    Story I saw this morning:

    Beautiful German town ‘unrecognisable’ after it accepted 1,200 migrants

    The mayor and the residents of Boostedt are increasingly worried about how migrants are affecting their hometown. In the last three years, around 1,200 migrants were settled in the town’s military barracks, which is a 26 per cent population increase.

    Hartmut König, the mayor of the town with 4,600 inhabitants, tells German broadcaster NDR in an interview how admitting so many migrants has had a negative impact on the town.

    “It’s quite simply the behaviour. For example, in shops things are stolen. I experienced it myself: three refugees walking on the pavement, not making enough room for a woman with a pushchair and a child coming in their direction. They make no room; she has to move onto the street to get around them,” the mayor says.

    “That’s just one incident, but it shows the entire picture. Besides that, they leave piles of rubbish and use every available space to sit around and drink beer,” he adds.

    Maybe they should change the name from Boostedt to Bustedt.

  31. John Constantine

    The Australian supply chain was successful in having almost all animals live exported [ unless determined illegal efforts were made for a miniscule leakage] processed in professional meatworks.

    It is possible for animals processed in Australian supply chain meatworks to have the meat donated for the festivals, but the huge demand is always for the street theatre animals.

    If Australia retreats from the welfare based culture change supply chain, it all goes back to animals from the third world, transported on hell ships to be tortured to death in the gutters of the third world.

  32. Louis Hissink

    The Cat is big on thought policing and censorship. It is far more leftist than libertarian or conservative sadly

    More a case of not becoming a target for litigious lawyers and ambulance chasers, And the hosting services could also be litigated for allowing naughty thoughts on the website.

    Self censorship is, alas, the price paid for publishing an opinion.

    In any case ad hominins and blue language etc is the hallmark of the bogans and the banal, as is the use of the four letter words too. It’s their lack of education that’s the cause of self censorship when the self-censors themselves are unable to write a pithy put down.

    The barbarians are not only at the gates, but have knocked them down and are now indiscriminately raping and pillaging the good burgers of polite society.

  33. Des Deskperson

    It’s paywall protected, but this morning’s Oz has a photo of three GET UP members who are among those planning to unseat Dutton.

    It’s interesting that while GET UP posters – at least the ones all over Canberra bus shelters – portray its members as lithe young activists with nice hair, these three are baggy, grey-bearded/bobbed oldsters.

    One of them is one Nadine Littledale, a GET UP name if ever there was one. According to this site:

    https://www.aasw.asn.au/sb_cache/events/id/1121/f/Intro%20to%20Play%20Therapy%20July%202013.pdf

    “Nadine Littledale is a person-centred psychodrama psychotherapist, social worker, trainer and supervisor. She has over 38 years experience in social work and psychotherapy working with children and adults in both government services and private practice. Since arriving in Australia in 2006 she has worked for Queensland Health in Child and Youth Mental Health Services and in private practice. She regularly uses play therapy in her work with children.”

    I dunno about the other two -although the bloke, Gordon Melvin, appears to be a chronic Brisbane activist – but I suspect that an elderly, former government employed para or pseudo professional may well be a typical GET UP member.

  34. Senile Old Guy

    I was thinking along the lines of Hunt could get the others over the line for Dutton. Hunt seems a policy wonk and a bit of an accountant type, and could be a candidate for Treasurer.

    Hunt is a rabid greenie:

    Mr Hunt said he believed the Dubai meeting would help the world achieve an agreement on climate change. “My view is what’s going to come out of Dubai is a road map that will help the Paris climate change negotiations,” he said. “The Montreal Protocol hasn’t just protected the ozone layer, it’s also produced 135 billion tonnes of savings in terms of CO2.”

    Always has been.

  35. Snoopy

    SOUTH AFRICA’s government has begun seizing land from white farmers, targeting two game farms in the northern province of Limpopo after talks with the owners to buy the properties collapsed.

    Seems there’s more to these land seizures than just transferring land to landless blacks for farming purposes. There’s a reason why this land is only good for game farms.

    testpattern
    #2788941, posted on August 14, 2018 at 7:04 pm
    >
    >
    The first two farms on the list are Lukin and Salaita belonging to Akkerland Boerdery. The two farms lie are located on top of the Makhado coal reef worth about R70 billion… in 2014 Akkerland Boerdery was summoned in a High Court case by the the Australian based Coal of Africa Ltd [Perth] to allow their prospectors and employees access to Lukin and Salaika.

  36. egg_

    Maybe they should change the name from Boostedt to Bustedt.

    Boostedt Arse Town.

  37. egg_

    Hunt is a rabid greenie

    On a Brain Hunt.

  38. OPINION: Robert Mueller’s victory could be a tipping point for Donald Trump’s presidency

    “Yes, of course it will. Now you just lie down and have a rest.”
    The door shuts on the padded cell, it’s dishevelled occupant rocking back and forth dribbling and muttering “Any day now…any day now…”. The Doctor checked his list, just Patient Montgomery to see to before he could clock-off for the evening.
    “Doctor Brian!”, it was Jane, the Mental Health Nurse from Ward 362. “Have you heard the news?”
    “No” replied the Doctor.
    “They’ve just announced the Republican candidate for the 2024 election, it’s Donald Trump Junior!”
    The Doctor looked forlorn.
    “Were going to need a bigger hospital”, he muttered.

  39. Habib

    It probably didn’t occur to them that they were really giving everyone a good reason to refuse to engage with the ABC.

    Not only don’t they give a shit if deplorables don’t engage with the ABC, they enforce their disengagement. No dud notes in the echo chamber, if everyone is in furious agreement they must be correct in everything.

    I think African swine flu virus in the ventilation ducts* in Ultimo is called for.

    *Where do they source the pixie dust that powers the climate-altering plant in that hideous soviet-realist edifice?

  40. Dr Faustus

    The front hole is actually the urethral opening. Both men and women have one. In the same place. At the front.

    Biologically, yes.
    Socio-politically, sometimes, sometimes not.

  41. Dr Faustus

    Palacechook weighs in on the Great Fraser Anning Imbroglio.

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will review the generous staffing arrangements made for Katter’s Australia Party MPs in Queensland parliament, following the notorious speech made by KAP senator Fraser Anning.

    Ponygirl exploring interesting new boundaries on the principle of parliamentary privilege.

  42. Top Ender

    Oz:

    Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson has raised the prospect of Malcolm Turnbull standing down because Australia’s political system was now “at risk”.

    The Former Nationals Leader earlier this year suggested Barnaby Joyce stand down over the political crisis triggered by his affair with a former staffer.

    The suggestion from Mr Anderson comes amid chaos in government ranks over the leadership and revelations the Governor-General Peter Cosgrove has delayed plans to leave Canberra.

    “I think we’ve reached a point in Australian history where every single one of us from the Prime Minister down needs to ask what he or she should do — not what they want to do,” Mr Anderson told The Australian.

    “From the Prime Minister down the only priority now should be how can I best serve the country. All of us need to recognise that if we cannot restore trust in the system our way of life is at risk”.

  43. C.L.

    Miranda Devine blames Abbott:

    History will not be kind to the vengeful wreckers

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    /Her paywalled ‘blog.’

  44. Roger

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will review the generous staffing arrangements made for Katter’s Australia Party MPs in Queensland parliament, following the notorious speech made by KAP senator Fraser Anning.

    “Liberal National Party Leader Deb Frecklington urged haste…”

  45. jupes

    From the Prime Minister down the only priority now should be how can I best serve the country.

    A novel approach indeed. He could be on to something here.

  46. C.L.

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will review the generous staffing arrangements made for Katter’s Australia Party MPs in Queensland parliament, following the notorious speech made by KAP senator Fraser Anning.

    Once upon a time, a woman under 50 who had shacked up with and divorced/split from no fewer than three men would have been called “notorious.”

  47. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Twitter account of young white woman raped and murdered by illegal immigrant:

    Mollie Tibbetts

    @Motibbs
    Follow Follow @Motibbs
    More Mollie Tibbetts Retweeted Simran Jeet Singh
    I hate white people

    https://twitter.com/Motibbs/status/940792919266680833

    Holy shit.

  48. Top Ender

    ABC:

    Malcolm Turnbull’s prime ministership is in deeper crisis, with momentum building for a second challenge as early as today.

  49. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Let us also remember that Obama violated campaign finance laws to the tune of $2million (the reality was multiples higher) and paid a fine.

  50. wivenhoe

    Ponygirl exploring interesting new boundaries on the principle of parliamentary privilege.

  51. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Erick Erickson

    Verified account

    @EWErickson
    5h5 hours ago
    More
    I hate to break it to you, but none of this is going to get Trump impeached or thrown in jail, but go on and write your 10,000 pieces of fan fiction on how Hillary is going to be put into the White House.

    This NeverTrumper gets it.

  52. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    History will not be kind to the vengeful wreckers

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    She is obviously referring to Bishop, Pyne and Turnbull and their coup against Abbott?

    Surely she couldn’t mean anything else?

  53. wivenhoe

    Ponygirl exploring interesting new boundaries on the principle of parliamentary privilege.
    Try again, Wow that may be a first, Ponygirl and principle in the same sentence.

  54. Anthony

    WTF. Turnbull really has not got a clue.

  55. Top Ender

    And this helps?

    in the small East Arnhem Land community of Galiwin’ku, the re-organisation of library books according to local Indigenous concepts has been hailed as a quiet revolution….The books have been organised according to key cultural aspects of Yolngu life and are categorised in language.

  56. Habib

    Once upon a time, a woman under 50 who had shacked up with and divorced/split from no fewer than three men would have been called “notorious.”

    And when she’s an absolute munter, the blokes would be labelled “blind”, “desperado”, “on a bet”, and/or “cash or major credit card only”.

  57. C.L.

    Politico, 2013:

    Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000.

    President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned…

    The major sticking point for the FEC appeared to be a series of missing 48-hour notices for nearly 1,300 contributions totaling more than $1.8 million

    Not $130,000. One million, eight-hundred thousand dollars.
    I guess Trump’s butler will have to round up some couch change and pay a fine. LOL.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Farmer Gez
    #2795858, posted on August 22, 2018 at 8:39 am
    Well she is just not g ade nine so plenty of time to choose.
    Electives for grade ten include 4 science option: physics, chem, bio and general. Courses 3/4 the same. Why bother Splitting them up?

    I’ve a daughter in year eleven and I want her to do maths next year but she won’t even though she never gets below a 90 in tests. “I hate maths Dad”. Go with the flow, it’s their life.

    Farmer Gez, it might be worth letting her know that what they call Maths at school is very different from what mathematicians call it. The odds are a thousand to one that she has been trained to memorise and apply recipes by someone who hasn’t a clue about why they are interesting or important, or how anybody found out about them. This is not fun, but it makes more sense to blame the educationalists and godawful teachers than the subject.

  59. H B Bear

    Hunt is a rabid greenie:

    That is my recollection. He was a willing foot soldier for Gaia.

  60. Mother Lode

    Hunt is a rabid greenie

    ‘Berkshire’ sounds like a greeny kind of place.

  61. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I must say, Trump has terrible lawyers.

    Cohen must be one of the biggest dummies in history. Dude is going to jail for a long time.

  62. Roger

    The books have been organised according to key cultural aspects of Yolngu life and are categorised in language.

    “We hope that people will feel the way that they view the world is validated and important,” [Ms. Masterson] said. “They can come into their library and they don’t have to reinterpret the world to be able to access a book.”

    I’m so old I can remember when liberals fought to get mainstream education for indigenous kids so they might have a chance in life.

  63. Rohan

    “The Montreal Protocol hasn’t just protected the ozone layer, it’s also produced 135 billion tonnes of savings in terms of CO2.”

    I call bullshit on that. There’s ~800 Gt CO2 in the atmosphere, of man is responsible for ~24Gt. So yes, Hunt is a Watermellon.

  64. H B Bear

    “I think we’ve reached a point in Australian history where every single one of us from the Prime Minister down needs to ask what he or she should do — not what they want to do,” Mr Anderson told The Australian.

    John Anderson might need to sit down with his Lordship for a couple of hours and explain what that means to him. And make sure Lucy isn’t in the room.

  65. Mother Lode

    /Her paywalled ‘blog.’

    Is there some kind of in-joke where people put an ‘l’ in there between the ‘b’ and the ‘g’?

  66. Leigh Lowe

    History will not be kind to the vengeful wreckers

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    She is obviously referring to Bishop, Pyne and Turnbull and their coup against Abbott?

    Surely she couldn’t mean anything else?

    The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking.
    Hissy Chrissy was reported this morning as saying that destabilizing PMs was “a disease”.
    Do tell, Typhoid Mary.

  67. C.L.

    Breaking news:

    PM dumps big business tax cuts

    The PM says political climate forced government to walk away from tax relief for companies with a turnover of more than $50m.

  68. Mother Lode

    Honestly, what is this thing that Miranda is always defending and carrying water for Trumble?

    Nikki was always a lefty, so Mick was the amorphic blob of her dreams. And he gave hubby a gig.

    But what happened to Miranda? Was she a Trumble Cheerleader as soon as he knifed Abbott? Was she uncertain but was converted when he sounded out just the right brain-fart – and stayed with him even after he walked it back?

    What happend?

  69. Eyrie

    John Anderson was/is useless. He should STFU and stay out of public life. Same for John Howard.

  70. Anthony

    Did Turnbull waffle for half an hour simply to avoid a party room challenge before QT?

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The books have been organised according to key cultural aspects of Yolngu life and are categorised in language.

    And IF these children go forth into the wide world to discover hat no – one speaks the Yolngu language or is particularly interested in their culture?

  72. Makka

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    You’re an idiot, Miranda.

    What you are seeing is the consequence of the jellybacked Liberals abandoning and then betraying their base and the values they have voted for. It is a measure of the deep burning hatred Malturd has generated that the base will cheer the destruction of Turdball’s Govt just to rid the party of the scum that currently infest it. The Libs can have Govt, but not at ANY price. Cheerleaders like you , carrying their bags, can just piss off with them.

  73. C.L.

    Honestly, what is this thing that Miranda is always defending and carrying water for Trumble?

    Pride.
    Nothing more.

  74. DrBeauGan

    The books have been organised according to key cultural aspects of Yolngu life and are categorised in language.

    And IF these children go forth into the wide world to discover that no – one speaks the Yolngu language or is particularly interested in their culture?

    A good example of the reason why everything lefties touch turns to shit. Worry about the children feeling good about themselves, and be completely indifferent to preparation for adult life.

  75. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #2796157, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    MD says MT critics are delcon.

  76. Roger

    John Anderson was/is useless. He should STFU and stay out of public life.

    Visit his web page – concerned about immigration, anti political correctness, critical of government spending, warns about the post-modern tribalisation of Australian society – he’s one of the few ex-politicians who makes a worthwhile contribution to public life.

  77. Tel

    “The Montreal Protocol hasn’t just protected the ozone layer, it’s also produced 135 billion tonnes of savings in terms of CO2.”

    Air Conditioners and refrigerators are less efficient, and therefore consume more electricity.

    Worse, the lighter fluid that they use instead of CFC’s is more dangerous and starts fires if a refrigerator should get a leak (e.g. someone moves house, the fridge takes a few knocks in transit, then leaks flammable butane gas inside a small kitchen).

  78. Leigh Lowe

    The payments to past shags may be distasteful, but it technically doesn’t breach campaign finance laws.
    I think the principal was established about ten years ago in a very similar case involving Democrat John Edwards.
    The payment has to be exclusively related to campaign funding. If it can be shown to be even partially related to preserving business reputation or avoiding personal/family embarrassment, it is not a breach

  79. Caveman

    Have we reached tipping point yet?

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Anthony

    #2796163, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    Did Turnbull waffle for half an hour simply to avoid a party room challenge before QT?

    Nup.
    Ops normal.

  81. Diogenes

    My students these days pick their HSC subjects to maximize their ATAR which is a pretty stupid strategy overall but necessary if you need to get over a particular school to get into university. I particularly admire those kids who challenge themselves and take harder subjects than is necessary. As long as they’re not opting for the impossible I think it shows her a general willingness to extend themselves which is quite admirable.

    My kids are thankful that UNewcastle will look at individual subject results as well as ATAR. I currently have 2 kids doing well in CompSci that didn’t get a high enough ATARs, but were offered places as they got high band 5s in Software Design & Development.

  82. Leigh Lowe

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    If I could get a cigarette paper between the policy positions of Trumble and Shorten I’d give a shit about that.
    I can’t so I don’t.

  83. Farmer Gez

    John Anderson was/is useless. He should STFU and stay out of public life.

    Not at all. A thoughtful man, not a showpony.
    He was also the victim of a foul slime attempt by that odious turd Tony Windsor,

  84. Oliver Cromwell’s words come to mind. Most eloquent.

    Instead. Pharque Orf Mal!

  85. H B Bear

    … – he’s one of the few ex-politicians who makes a worthwhile contribution to public life.

    Most politicians see the light after they leave Parliament. Wasn’t it Liar politican Barry Cohen who wrote complaining that his operation and treatment in hospital was costing him thousands of dollars while the public patient lying right next to him was getting it completely free? Too late to realize that matey.

  86. Makka

    I’ve a daughter in year eleven and I want her to do maths next year but she won’t even though she never gets below a 90 in tests. “I hate maths Dad”. Go with the flow, it’s their life.

    That’s a difficult one. These days it’s dog eat dog for kids starting out in working life and turning something that you academically excel at into a decent profession or career isn’t easy. It sure helps if what you are good at you also like. She obviously has a talent for it.

    Advanced Maths can be used in all sorts of disciplines ; right across the engineering spectrum, finance, quant analysis etc. Admittedly, the options in Australia are narrow somewhat. So as a suggestion perhaps rather than simply Maths for Maths sake, a look see at the varying career opportunities and advantages Maths provides worldwide might encourage a better appreciation and liking?

    Farmer Gez, it might be worth letting her know that what they call Maths at school is very different from what mathematicians call it.

    Like it or not, the current Maths school curriculum is what it is and those navigating it will be judged on their performance there and then. Not what should be or might have been. For women, most of the best paid (legal) professions outside of medicine are in fields strong on Maths so despite its warts, talented kids should be encouraged to pursue what they excel at if it’s Maths. You might like the beach and choose Marine Biology, then end up with the other thousands green numpties scrambling for that BoM drone job.

  87. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #2796182, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:49 pm
    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    If I could get a cigarette paper between the policy positions of Trumble and Shorten I’d give a shit about that.
    I can’t so I don’t.”

    Miranda, the expert at fellatio. She too should ride off into the sunset.

  88. Old School Conservative

    My students these days pick their HSC subjects to maximize their ATAR

    As has been the case for 2 decades to the best of my knowledge.
    Question 1 during Year 11 subject selection: “Does this subject scale up?”

  89. Dr Faustus

    “Liberal National Party Leader Deb Frecklington urged haste…”

    Heard the name before.
    I wonder why this is person commenting on the doings of the Queensland Parliament.

  90. stackja

    Tel
    #2796174, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    DuPont? Follow the money.

  91. Senile Old Guy

    Bernardi:

    The Liberal Party were once the party of free enterprise, limited government, civil society, lower taxes and stronger families. It has now become a shell for those who don’t fit into Labor but still want to pursue a political career.

    John Howard coined the phrase “a broad church” but every church has a congregation of common belief. Regrettably, the Liberals have allowed too many in, whose only commitment is to attaining positions of power and influence.

    https://www.corybernardi.com/it_s_a_party_full_of_the_wrong_people?utm_campaign=wdcs_180822&utm_medium=email&utm_source=australianconservatives

  92. Makka

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess ….

    Are the current Liberal Party leadership under Malturd. Against all warnings, they drove the ship directly on to the iceberg and they can all go down with it.

  93. Diogenes

    Question 1 during Year 11 subject selection: “Does this subject scale up?”

    If I am presenting VET options…. “No , BUT if you get 90+ in the exam you will boost the rest of your marks. , also as they are not academically demanding it is an ‘easy’ 2 units.

  94. stackja

    H B Bear
    #2796186, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    … – he’s one of the few ex-politicians who makes a worthwhile contribution to public life.

    Most politicians see the light after they leave Parliament. Wasn’t it Liar politican Barry Cohen who wrote complaining that his operation and treatment in hospital was costing him thousands of dollars while the public patient lying right next to him was getting it completely free? Too late to realize that matey.

    Creans?

  95. egg_

    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    Doing Mick Stumble’s projection for him?

  96. Habib

    Freckles is Turnbull with tits.

  97. Baldrick

    History will not be kind to the vengeful wreckers
    THE vengeful geniuses who got Australia into this mess have now all but guaranteed that Bill Shorten will win the next election, writes Miranda Devine.

    And here I was thinking Miranda was a Turnbull supporter.

  98. egg_

    Against all warnings, they drove the ship directly on to the iceberg and they can all go down with it.

    Blind Freddy saw it coming.

  99. Elle

    Miranda Devine, who coined the phrase ‘Delcon’, has become the delusional one.

  100. Steve trickler

    Something nice to tack on to the end of this thread. Show it to children.

    It is the world’s greatest screen saver.

    Magic.



  101. DrBeauGan

    Like it or not, the current Maths school curriculum is what it is and those navigating it will be judged on their performance there and then. Not what should be or might have been.

    True, Makka, but a lot of kids who like Maths at school hate it at university and vice-versa. If you like ritual and rules, you can find being expected to think disabling, while if you like thinking, school maths can be dreary and pointless. It’s worth knowing this.

    The only bit of school maths I enjoyed was geometry, because there was scope for creativity. I didn’t find out that real Maths was like that until much later.

  102. stackja

    Senile Old Guy
    #2796194, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    Bernardi:

    Most people say Cory who? He is not getting enough air time. What solution finally? Fraser Anning found a way.

  103. Baldrick

    How very ABC.

    Jill Stark ✔ @jillastark
    Jon Faine said of the chaos in Canberra this morning “I’m loving it!” I was astonished. There is nothing in any of this to be gleeful about

  104. v_maet

    Bloody Libs.
    Now they have backflipped on the energy supplement and will keep it in place.

    We are literally more than 5 years after the bloody carbon tax was repealed and we are still paying people for the impact………….

  105. stackja

    Baldrick
    #2796207, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    ALP trashes economy? ABC shutdown?

  106. Confused Old Misfit

    Steve trickler
    #2796088, posted on August 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    Caution! Jet blast!

  107. egg_

    ALP trashes economy? ABC shutdown?

    The ALP are the big privatisers of the family silverware when broke.

  108. notafan

    Monty Monty is Hilary now the president?

  109. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Bloody Libs.
    Now they have backflipped on the energy supplement and will keep it in place.

    Good.

    The poor are suffering because of the renewables scam while the wealthy get rich from them.

  110. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Emanuel brothers have just announced they will be appealing the loss of their license, to export live sheep.

  111. H B Bear

    How very ABC.

    When you are on the taxpayer tit, not subject to market forces and the staff co-op is completely fire-walled from Ministerial control why would Jon Paine care?

  112. egg_

    When you are on the taxpayer tit, not subject to market forces and the staff co-op is completely fire-walled from Ministerial control…

    Snowcone/Fanning et al do and say as they wish.

  113. calli

    Dover beach
    #2795908, posted on August 22, 2018 at 9:29 am
    Sorry to press a button.

    I was jesting too.

    Chuckle. A bit slow today. Shoulda picked that up from the Hugo Boss reference.

  114. stackja

    egg_
    #2796211, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:22 pm
    ALP trashes economy? ABC shutdown?

    The ALP are the big privatisers of the family silverware when broke.

    H B Bear
    #2796218, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:24 pm
    How very ABC.

    When you are on the taxpayer tit, not subject to market forces and the staff co-op is completely fire-walled from Ministerial control why would Jon Paine care?

    The ALP are the big privatisers. Sinc’s idea:

    A new book by Professor Sinclair Davidson and Dr Chris Berg ‘Against Public Broadcasting: Why We Should Privatise the ABC and How to Do

  115. And again, if this is now a Very Serious Offence: It’s been known for a year that Hillary Clinton deliberately hid the purpose of her payments to Perkins Coie as “legal services” when in fact a big chunk of that money went for oppo research.

    LOL, this lame attempt at bothsidesism is not going to work.

    Like Wesley Snipes, Manafort has been convicted of tax evasion.
    Unlike Wesley Snipes, he was working for Democrats at the time.
    LOL.
    The Cohen thing is just a distraction squirrel that will – and can only – lead nowhere.
    Trump wins again.

    Saw it said somewhere that Trump’s campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, national security adviser and personal lawyer have now all been found guilty of committing crimes. But hey it’s a nothingburger, just a rigged witch hunt, no you’re the puppet.

    Your defences are becoming more and more pathetic as time goes on. Can’t wait for the second Manafort trial, you’ll end up claiming he is a secret Tesla android doppelganger.

  116. stackja

    Flightradar24
    ‏Verified account
    @flightradar24
    13 hours ago
    A year ago, @AmericanAir simultaneously retired 20 MD-80s to Roswell in what we dubbed the #Super80Sendoff: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/american-airlines-retiring-20-md-80s-to-roswell/

    The 8 retiring today will join their friends in the desert.

  117. The most serious of questions.

    Will Loosey be able to tolerate being married to a two time loser and ex-politician?

  118. H B Bear

    Life for the nomenklatura has always been good.

  119. On the JQ. Have been following GAB and very surprised at the sheer volume of Protocols of the E of Z and [email protected] of Santa nonsense that so predominates as to make the Time Lines hard to navigate. As a Learned Professor who’s voice is now practically part of my DNA once asked “Why is it So?” As a foreign national (australian) who was accustomed to sh1tposting on Social Media from poolside Vietnam – doing my bit for World Peace.

  120. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #2796224, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:32 pm
    The most serious of questions.

    Will Loosey be able to tolerate being married to a two time loser and ex-politician?

    Lots of money will probably help. MPs pension plus Sachs of earnings?

  121. egg_

    Will Loosey be able to tolerate being married to a two time loser and ex-politician?

    Juicy Loosey has a toyboy on the side?

  122. wivenhoe

    Your defences are becoming more and more pathetic as time goes on. Can’t wait for the second Manafort trial, you’ll end up claiming he is a secret Tesla android doppelganger.

    No, monty that is your beloved Hillary.

  123. Elle;

    Elle.
    Cat rule # 1.
    Don’t explain, don’t complain.
    If someone pisses you off feel free to take a shot.

    If I stuff up, I apologise. It’s called good manners. Manners are the social lubricant that stops us killing each other when our egos are bruised.
    Mind you, when someone sets out to abuse you just because they are an ill mannered lout, then a good slap in the gob is an effective reminder of the requirement for civility.

  124. H B Bear

    Can someone give Old P’s mate Muzzlehatch Bird’s email so they can take this stuff offline?

  125. Farmer Gez

    History never repeats they say, or does it?
    William Bligh dragged out from under his bed by the Rum Corp to face the music.
    Malcolm Bligh Turnbull dragged away from the mirror by an ex copper to face the music.

  126. .. I grew to recognize the players in the propaganda Battle Space.
    Lots of False Flagging and Hoax Hate. As a recovering Scientist I am struggling to reengage The “RARA” sentimentality that Democracy requires to unleash the anger of the tax payers to open thier bill fold and commit to war against the current enemy of convenience. Why are the , and here is an amusing meme, the Alt Right make a shibboleth of refering to the Ch😉en as obliquly as plausible. Why is it So?

  127. Makka

    True, Makka, but a lot of kids who like Maths at school hate it at university and vice-versa. If you like ritual and rules, you can find being expected to think disabling, while if you like thinking, school maths can be dreary and pointless. It’s worth knowing this.

    Yes sure. But the bottom line is how turn your talents into a decent career? I mean if Maths is your academic forte. Unless you have some other kind of gift, say good at golf or some sport, where do you focus your personal development for the best professional and career outcome?

    I know from personal experience, my daughter took Maths Methods and Specialist, Chemistry, Physics plus the mandatories in Yr 11 and 12. She is good at and enjoys Maths. Her ATAR was 99.6 and she blitzed her Maths subjects. Over the moon happy for her I am. Her bigger challenge however was deciding her career choice ( and the suitable degree) that afforded her the edge over others in a profession she liked and one that offered reasonable security. Massive choice involving a lot of research.You have to be careful with disruptive tech and AI destroying huge chunks of jobs and professions.

    I think it best to downplay the emotive side.Chasing what you “like” these days is worthwhile if you are talented at it. Such is the narrowness of our economy.

  128. v_maet

    >Infidel [email protected]:23pm

    It isn’t good.
    We need to get rid of the subsidy fo the carbon tax because we don’t have a carbon tax.

    If we remove the subsidies to renewables then we can use that money to support the poor who are struggling with energy bills.

  129. Today is the first official day that the phrase “unindicted co-conspirator” can be applied to President Trump. First of many.

  130. DrBeauGan

    If I stuff up, I apologise. It’s called good manners. Manners are the social lubricant that stops us killing each other when our egos are bruised.

    Winston, that makes good sense when you’re in someone’s physical presence. It makes much less sense when it’s on the interwebzy thingo and it’s just words. If someone I have never met pseudonymously insults me, why should I give a damn? I don’t. It would be taking them a lot more seriously than they deserve.

  131. Gab

    What on earth is a “Ch😉en”?

  132. stackja

    Farmer Gez
    #2796234, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    History never repeats they say, or does it?
    William Bligh dragged out from under his bed by the Rum Corp to face the music.
    Malcolm Bligh Turnbull dragged away from the mirror by an ex copper to face the music.

    The story ‘William Bligh dragged out from under his bed by the Rum Corp’ has been disputed. But I like the rest about MT.

  133. Makka

    Yes, decode muzzle. If you have a point spit it out in plain English. The circuitous route is tiresome.

  134. egg_

    Malcolm Bligh Turnbull dragged away from the mirror by an ex copper…

    Poetic justice.

  135. egg_

    We need OldSalt’s decoder.

  136. Makka

    munty, Trump has spent $200 mill at Gitmo this year. It’s not for flat screen tv’s and basketball courts. Ponder that.

  137. DrBeauGan

    I know from personal experience, my daughter took Maths Methods and Specialist, Chemistry, Physics plus the mandatories in Yr 11 and 12. She is good at and enjoys Maths

    Good on her. She either has a good teacher or she’s really smart.

    I agree that leveraging that into a great career needs some thought, but then, we know she’s good at that. She’ll do OK. 😊

  138. H B Bear

    mUnty tumescent with excitement. Don’t scare the squirrels mUnty, it puts them off their food.

  139. Cassie of Sydney

    “H B Bear
    #2796233, posted on August 22, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    Can someone give Old P’s mate Muzzlehatch Bird’s email so they can take this stuff offline?”

    I second that.

  140. John Constantine

    We are about to discover that shorten is about to lead their New Rum Corp into totalitarian control of the scum condemned to life imprisonment in this poor bastard penal hellhole.

    Comrades.

  141. Mother Lode

    New Fred!

    Just letting you know so you can all see and marvel at my achievement as first.

  142. Drudge headline: TRUMP HELL HOUR.

    Pretty sure Steve Kates is not going to make one of those posts today where he regurgitates Drudge headlines.

  143. John Constantine

    Rum, Sodomy and the Lash:

    The New national anthem for their eternal shorten regime.

  144. Andreas

    Trump must be a Time Lord to be responsible for things his campaign manager did 10 years before.

  145. harrys on the boat

    M0nty’s trolling is becoming as pathetic and embarrassing as his own obesity and stretch marks.

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The story ‘William Bligh dragged out from under his bed by the Rum Corp’ has been disputed.

    Any of the histories of the “Rum Rebellion” I’ve ever read hotly disputes the story.

  147. C.L.

    Once again …

    Politico, 2013, reports on unindicted co-conspirator Barack Obama:

    Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000.

    President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned…

    The major sticking point for the FEC appeared to be a series of missing 48-hour notices for nearly 1,300 contributions totaling more than $1.8 million …

    Not $130,000. One million, eight-hundred thousand dollars.
    I guess Trump’s butler will have to round up some couch change and pay a fine. LOL.

  148. cohenite

    The payments to past shags may be distasteful, but it technically doesn’t breach campaign finance laws.
    I think the principal was established about ten years ago in a very similar case involving Democrat John Edwards.
    The payment has to be exclusively related to campaign funding. If it can be shown to be even partially related to preserving business reputation or avoiding personal/family embarrassment, it is not a breach

    Correct about the category of payment. I don’t know if Trump shagged these 2 very attractive sheilas but having read the Statement of Claim put up by the porn star it reads like a commercial decision to get rid of an irritant.

    I am mesmerised by obuma being fined for $2million worth of campaign contraventions.

    I find this corrupt pursuit of Trump for anything, forget collusion, fucked given the circumstance here in Australia, which are worse, much worse.

  149. cohenite

    Cohen pleaded guilty to charges which are not crimes. It’s strange isn’t it. Cohen had some tax issues which will anchor his conviction but the campaign charges are not offences.

  150. .

    Clint

    How about a ranked list of races by category for those unfamiliar with racial science.

  151. Jessie

    Top Ender @1.15

    And this makes sense?
    “When I talked to the community library officers, they explained to me that the concepts of fiction and non-fiction were largely absent in their community’s culture,” she said.

    Developed by the Northern Territory Library and East Arnhem Regional Council, in consultation with the local community, the culturally-sensitive method is expected to promote reading and improve people’s connection to their local library…………..
    Loosely translated, one category encompasses art, language, culture and customs. Another covers the natural environment. One is for true stories, and a final category gives a home to everything else.

    source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-22/remote-galiwinku-library-closes-book-on-dewey-decimal/10147024?WT.ac=localnews_darwin

    Makes sense to have apartheid catalogue system. And maintain the population on site. They’ll never be able to enjoy researching or reading in any other library of Australia or the world. Or student scholarships at the private schools leading to careers in Teaching or Libraries & Information Science. How the heck do they pass accreditation?

  152. Zatara

    A year ago, @AmericanAir simultaneously retired 20 MD-80s to Roswell in what we dubbed the #Super80Sendoff.

    Thanks for that stackja. I see several old friends on that list.

  153. Zatara

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    4m4 minutes ago

    If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don’t retain the services of Michael Cohen!

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