Leadership Challenge Forum 2018

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  1. Stimpson J. Cat

    Agile!
    Innovative!
    Potential!
    Light Bulb Moment!

  2. Eddystone

    Turnbull having the most fun he’s ever had!

  3. lotocoti

    Oh dear, four poor wee girls have felt intimidated.

  4. No matter how this pans out. The Liberal party is now history.

    I can’t see either side of the party tolerating the other any longer.

  5. Snoopy

    If only Turnbull had been given enough ‘clean’ air to be great.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    You might as well never close this thread.

    Well be back here in a month or two.

  7. H B Bear

    No matter how this pans out. The Liberal party is now history.
    I can see either side of the party tolerating the other any longer.

    Good. That is the end game. No party that tolerates Chrissy Pyne has any right to call itself a Centre-Right party.

  8. egg_

    I can’t see either side of the party tolerating the other any longer.

    A change of leader will likely bring welcome unity.

  9. Dave in Marybrook

    That’s why it’s “2018” IT.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Pyne, Brandis, Birmingham, Bishop et al are disgusting and disgraceful creatures.

    Turnbull at least is honest that he is a far left loonball enthral to Gaia and luvviedom.

  11. John Constantine

    How much money can bishop give away before the vote?.

    Their redfilth Gillard got half a billion dollars out to Adelaide uni and the Clinton Rum Corps before it all came crashing down.

  12. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2796818, posted on August 22, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    You might as well never close this thread.

    Well be back here in a month or two.

    No.
    The innovative way to do it is to open a new one called “Leadership Challenge 2.0”.

  13. Top Ender

    Toadbull is where? Where’s Wally?

    Come out come out wherever you are!

  14. H B Bear

    Turnbull at least is honest that he is a far left loonball enthral to Gaia and luvviedom.

    How’s that working out for him?

  15. H B Bear

    Their redfilth Gillard got half a billion dollars out to Adelaide uni and the Clinton Rum Corps before it all came crashing down.

    She did have a lot of practice. I’m surprised she didn’t bury it under the Parliament House lawn like last time.

  16. Gab

    How’s that working out for him?

    It didn’t work out for him first time, it didn’t work out for him the second time. Like we said here back in 2015.

    Mal’s a slow learner.

    Perhaps Labor will take Mal as their leader now. Or we could put him on ebay? I hear Venezuela is hiring.

  17. Stimpson J. Cat

    Malcolm, and I mean this sincerely, if you really care about the Liberal Party you will do everything in your power to utterly destroy it.
    Don’t let them win Malcolm.
    You are the big dog.
    Show them your teeth.
    Fight to the death.
    There are still people at the ABC who love you Malcolm.
    Don’t give up.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Laura Jayes
    @ljayes
    ·
    1h
    IMPORTANT UPDATE: Mathias Corman went to visit the PM at 6.50pm to tell him he WASN’T resigning.
    @SkyNewsAust

    MT survives at least until tomorrow.

    Sleep well mate.

  19. struth

    Two real low pieces of shit, one who Sinclair was sure to be of great potential, Malcom and also skeletor , would rather take the whole country down than give away their positions.
    They have been destroying Australia from the time they deliberately joined a political party opposed to their own loyalties, global socialism and elitism.

    They should be strung up as traitors.
    If they are not traitors, no one is.
    Maybe Dutton will be no good, but the main issue is to where their loyalties lie, and it seems when it comes to allegiances , anyone is worth putting in to have a go, from the Libtards.
    The loyalties to the Globalist UN and their bullshit environmentalism and climate change attack on the west has already brought down all PM’s that either follow the bullshit or are too weak against it (Abbott).
    The elite scum of our country may feel like believing unto death in something that enriches them, but the Australian people have never bought into it.
    The media are thick and complicit, unable to see themselves as anything except smarter than the average joe.

    Let’s not rest until we take these complete scum down.
    That’s what they are.
    No quarter given.

  20. John Comnenus

    Bloody hell the Libs are hopeless. There are 3 issues that need a clear answer by the contender:
    1. Energy prices. Simplest solution get rid of green energy subsidies. Subsidies of $3bn are collected from your energy bills to pay renewables, get rid of the subsidies and we cut the national power bill by $3bn per year. Outcome Hazelton reopened (after a refurb) and Liddel stays operational. Prices fall immediately.
    2. Immigration. Have a plebiscite and a moratorium on all PERMANENT migration until plebiscite is conducted. Immediate impact is a rise in real wages as unemployment falls. Plebiscite to be multiple choice on numbers, composition and enforcement. Short term skilled visas remain in place.
    3. Catholic (low fee independent schools) school funding. Give money to the Catholic Education Office (and equivalents) and let them distribute funding as they see fit.

    Dutton has failed to clearly give 3 key points of differentiation with Turnbull and Labor. Instead offers to take GST of power bills. Hopeless.

  21. None

    I’m kinda guessing Cosgrove told Turnbull to piss off and we are going to hear about that when Turnbull gets turfed.

  22. mh

    Someone let Rhianna know. She can post something on Twitter and Turnbull can hand over another 90 million dollars of our money to kids in Senegal before he goes. Any foundations out there that needs 444 million dollars? Turnbull will put it straight into your account, no questions asked.

  23. Farmer Gez

    If Turnbull gets the chop we will have seven ex prime ministers leeching about.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    From the open fred …

    Infidel Tiger

    #2796807, posted on August 22, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    Imagine how Turnbull felt when he rolled Abbott and how he feels right now.

    Very rarely there is karma. Most xunts who deserve it never feel its cold embrace.

    The Law of Equity can be beautiful.
    Will the karma bus be electric?
    Or diesel?

  25. None

    McCormack today. No self awareness. Winston Peters lost his seat and effectively bribed his way into parliament handing power to the losing party and Bucky Beaver.

    That’s when good neighbours become good friends! Pleasure to welcome Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand @winstonpeters to Canberra. 🇦🇺🇳🇿#Australia #NZ pic.twitter.com/ss94TPHYhO— Michael McCormack (@M_McCormackMP) 22 August 2018

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  26. John Comnenus

    Come on down PM Shorten. With a bit of luck Shorten can import more future voters to future proof the ALP and lock in our Socialist future. Libs will support this all the way. Truly hopeless.

  27. John Constantine

    The liberal base, as their abc imagine them and portrayed by Al Bundy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLmSAnoR6g

  28. Entropy

    I don’t think it would be that easy John. The rent seekers would have all sorts of contracts that would ensure you couldn’t stop them ripping the rest of us off for a long time to come. You could get rid of the RET for the future, but the subsidy whores will still get their lucre for years. It will take a long time for energy prices to fall.
    Personally, I would destroy the NEM. With no Qld coal power, Victoristan and the mendicant state will implode rather quickly leading to all sorts of Shenannigans. I reckon it would be very entertaining.

  29. None

    Taking GST off electricity bills? They’ll just charge the same and pocket more profits. The guy is a dill.

  30. Habib

    I hope Lord Leakin and Batbag dig in, fight a rearguard action* all the way to the next election, courageously seeing off these malcontents and backsliding running dogs until a grateful electorate can give them their long overdue liquidation. The best possible outcome of this treachery.

    *This of course would require internal organs and a circulatory system, one has a legume-based cardio-vascular setup, the other had organs removed to jars and the space filled with linen bundles and spices as part of her embalming process.

  31. calli

    A poetic snippet for today:

    “Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small;
    Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all.”

    ― Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

  32. Bruce of Newcastle

    Will Turnbull finally give up trying to prevent mythical global warming?
    Or will he release his second chakra and do a Gore?
    We all hold our breaths in anticipation.
    If only to stop CO2 coming out.

  33. mh

    Ross Cameron:

    “I believe this government now telling us that we can fulfill our Paris commitments while putting downward pressure on prices is lying to us. It would be much better if they just came out and said ‘OK, we’ve doubled the price of electricity because we’re shutting coal and we’re not replacing it. You should just be aware, we’re about to double it again, but we’re asking Australians to bear that cost…’. At least it would be honest.”

  34. Death Giraffe

    Victoristan and the mendicant state will implode rather quickly leading to all sorts of Shenannigans. I reckon it would be very entertaining.

    ..
    Oi!
    Some of us have to bleeding well live here you know.

  35. Pedro the Ignorant

    Night of the Long Knives.

    I doubt it will succeed, but Trumble and the Stick Insect are doomed.

    How much of our money can they give away to shithole countries and dodgy foundations before they bleed out?

    What a pack of cowardly dogs infesting the green leather seats in Canberra.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    Paul Murray is carrying on like it’s a hostage situation.

  37. Death Giraffe

    Sign contracts for nuclear.
    It is the only way out of this thing.

  38. None

    Neither Michaelia Cash, Mathias Cormann nor Dan Tehan have resigned. PM insisting no party room meeting tonight.

    — David Speers (@David_Speers) August 22, 2018

  39. Stimpson J. Cat

    Paul Murray is carrying on like it’s a hostage situation.

    Someone slap a nicotine patch on the fatman to calm him down.

  40. None

    [email protected]_Speers: The @TurnbullMalcolm camp still want to ride this out and are confident they can. There’s a lot of misinformation spreading around at the moment and it needs to be checked with the source.

  41. None

    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

  42. mh

    Paul Murray is carrying on like it’s a hostage situation.

    Mal Monis.

  43. Farmer Gez

    Neither Michaelia Cash, Mathias Cormann nor Dan Tehan have resigned. PM insisting no party room meeting tonight.
    — David Speers (@David_Speers) August 22, 2018

    When shall we three meet again?

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    He’ll be heading back to “head office” soon.

  45. Infidel Tiger

    Molan confirms there is a petition and he has signed it.

  46. Megan

    Paul Murray is an hysterical gobshite.

  47. hzhousewife

    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    I very nearly posted a similar comment last week, he is not robust.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    If he runs true to form he’ll take out heaps of life insurance and self-immolate.

  49. struth

    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    They’ll probably give the criminal a state funeral.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    Paul Murray is an hysterical gobshite.

    He is embarrassing. For many years I thought Kyle Sandilands had a Sky News gig.

  51. Pedro the Ignorant

    Bishop could disembowel a cuddly kitten on morning TV and still be elected in the silvertail territory of her Curtin electorate.

    They love her with passion there, she throws just the trendiest cocktail parties and her dresses are to die for, daaaarling.

    Tough shit about Australia’s national interests.

  52. None

    So Christian Porter has referred Dutton’s investments under S.44 to the Solicitor-General. Remember I have been warning you about Christian Porter for years.

  53. Infidel Tiger

    “Graeme Richardson died in a mysterious house fire surrounded by petrol soaked life insurance policies.”

  54. Pedro the Ignorant

    So Christian Porter has referred Dutton’s investments under S.44 to the Solicitor-General.

    Backstabbing dog. I sort of liked the cut of his jib, too.

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Is Porter still rooting the staff?

  56. None

    Haha I am listening to Miranda Devine’s earlier podcast (because I want to hear what Nigel Farage had to say) and her voice is cracking. Hahahahaha. Anyway ScoMo and Cormann are still sticking with Turnbull. If any future Liberal PM doesn’t demote those two, then he is stupid.

  57. H B Bear

    If Turnbull gets the chop we will have seven ex prime ministers leeching about.

    How many taxpayers are working just to keep that lot in the manner in which they are accustomed? Don’t forget to add the other 50% of non net taxpayers that they support too.

  58. 132andBush

    No matter how this pans out. The Liberal party is now history.
    I can see either side of the party tolerating the other any longer.

    The Turnbullites should be shirtfronted and told to fuck off to Labor.

    That’s the only way this ends.

  59. None

    Miranda Devine suggesting Turnbull was jaunty and may have resolved his tenure is terminal and may peacefully hand over to ScoMo thus denying a victory to his nemesis Tony Abbott (fuck me, this Tony Abbott has amazing powers to direct grown men to give up $130K salary). Devine begins to fellate ScoMo.

  60. Pedro the Ignorant

    Cormann is s seriously big dog in the Libs farmyard.

    If, IF, he has pulled the plug on Trumble, then it is all over for the honourable Menber for Wentworth.

    Nacht und nebel right now.

  61. None

    Cormann is s seriously big dog in the Libs farmyard.

    3-4 votes among the West Australians. Remember some already did not follow him in voting for Turnbull.

  62. None

    Infidel Tiger
    #2796890, posted on August 22, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Is Porter still rooting the staff?

    Probably.

  63. Top Ender

    Has anyone looked in the Kingston pubs for Malcolm?

    Actually a better bet would be the National Museum car park. With a bag of goon.

  64. feelthebern

    Imagine how much leaky Turdbull & his missus will be doing.
    Tony Abbott never leaked.
    He put his name to everything.
    As a back bencher he was entitled to.
    Turnbull leaked from within cabinet.
    And was such a pussy he never put his name to anything.

  65. H B Bear

    Cormann is s seriously big dog in the Libs farmyard.

    ALPBC news said he speaks for about 10 votes for what that is worth. The most important people over in WA are the ones who channel the miners donations across to Canberra.

  66. None

    Miranda is a bit dumb to think Dutton is a conservative. He isn’t.

  67. feelthebern

    Jim McGrath is a rat.
    But he’s a rat that earned the right to be a duplicitous rat.

  68. lotocoti

    Big boys’ games.
    Big boys’ rules.

  69. C.L.

    Symbolically perfect.
    The New Liberals are trying to throw Peter Dutton out of the Parliament for owning a business.

  70. None

    Miranda’s tune today is oh I opposed rolling Tony Abbott, I opposed rolling Turnbull. Rewriting history.

    Anyway yes, McGrath is a major rat.

  71. Bruce in WA

    Come on down PM Shorten.

    Heard him tonight while eating dinner.

    “You want a wage increase? Vote Labor.

    You want proper childcare for your kids? Vote Labor.”

    Took me all my willpower not to hurl something through the TV! If (When?) he gets in, Oz will be virtually bankrupt inside 12 months.

  72. Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    If he runs true to form he’ll take out heaps of life insurance and self-immolate.

    Pay that one LL, I loled.

  73. None

    Symbolically perfect.
    The New Liberals are trying to throw Peter Dutton out of the Parliament for owning a business.

    For his WIFE owning a business. He just benefits through a family trust. You wont’ hear the misogyny cries from the left.

    (In all fairness someone who was a cop and a politician becoming a millionaire does smell a bit. His wife’s businesses have received $5mill in government grants. Our money. Basically like the Rudd’s he and his wife have been on the public teat forever.)

  74. mh

    Symbolically perfect.
    The New Liberals are trying to throw Peter Dutton out of the Parliament for owning a business.

    Yes, all businesses must be owned by global entities. It is the new way.

  75. H B Bear

    7.30 Report re-animates the corpse of the Bride of Frankenstein to spin the Lieboral leadership debacle.

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Took me all my willpower not to hurl something through the TV! If (When?) he gets in, Oz will be virtually bankrupt inside 12 months.

    The boats will start again two days after the election result is declared.

  77. None

    John Anderson has raised the prospect of Malcolm Turnbull standing down because the nation’s political system is “at risk”.

    In your dreams.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    The push for Morrison is one of the more bizarre things I have seen in my life.

    I’d stick with Turnbull over that prick.

  79. mh

    7.30 Report re-animates the corpse of the Bride of Frankenstein to spin the Lieboral leadership debacle.

    That was Laura Tingle.

  80. NB

    mh asks:
    ‘Any foundations out there that needs 444 million dollars?’
    Well, of course, the Clinton Foundation.

  81. None

    Turnbull brought on the leadership spill. Didn’t even give them the customary 48 hours notice.

  82. H B Bear

    If (When?) he gets in, Oz will be virtually bankrupt inside 12 months.

    Whoever is in charge when the property Ponzi really begins to unwind and interest rates start heading back up will have their work cut out for them. Stuffing roofs with Chinese fiberglass and building tin sheds at schools won’t get it done again.

  83. None

    Miranda is pretending that Australians ‘can’t believe’ that we are having another leadership challenge. Yes we can believe it. We’ve been wanting it.

  84. Snoopy

    His wife’s businesses have received $5mill in government grants.

    Could I trouble you for evidence?

  85. Entropy

    Not that I want to turn the television on, but has the ABC suspended normal programming , like it did when Rudd got Gillarded? (Or did it just seem like that?)

  86. Squirrel

    “It’s all OK, nothing to worry about, nothing to see here, getting on with business – we need to stop thinking about ourselves and focus on the Australian people…..” – there will be a clear view of the Australian people in the rear view mirror as the big, white, taxpayer-funded car goes over the cliff.

  87. struth

    Hey Monty….
    Trump has helped wake politically apathetic Australians up to the corruption at the top end of town.
    Trumble would not be in this shit if your Hillary mole made President.
    You gotta thank him for that, hey!

  88. Geriatric Mayfly

    How sweet it is. Always and every year. A bright August moon and the magpies carol the night away. These heralds bring good tidings that winter is on the run.

  89. old bloke

    What does Dutton stand for? Will he cut immigration and remove green subsides from power generation? These are the two major issues at the moment and no one seems to know what he intends to do.

  90. Dave in Marybrook

    Are you kidding, entropy?
    The newly launched ABC News 24 (hours) had no flipping idea.
    Think about that- a greenfilth pinko lefty channel from their ABC, set up to cruel Sky and all other free to air, proved itself unfit for purpose, straight off the bat.

  91. Chris

    Bishop could disembowel a cuddly kitten on morning TV and still be elected in the silvertail territory of her Curtin electorate.

    They love her with passion there, she throws just the trendiest cocktail parties and her dresses are to die for, daaaarling.

    Tough shit about Australia’s national interests.

    Stabby McStabbyface. In Curtin last time, Julie’s vote increased.

  92. Geriatric Mayfly

    How sweet it is. Always and every year. A bright August moon and the magpies carol the night away. These heralds bring good tidings that winter is on the run. Oops! Wrong thread. Too much going on.

  93. Stimpson J. Cat

    Took me all my willpower not to hurl something through the TV! If (When?) he gets in, Oz will be virtually bankrupt inside 12 months.

    You want a new TV?
    Vote Labor.

  94. Bruce in WA

    The push for Morrison is one of the more bizarre things I have seen in my life.

    I’d stick with Turnbull over that prick.

    I could wear him, provided Credlin and TA were appointed with authority to oversee the prick and keep him in line and on task.

    Otherwise — no effing chance!

  95. Crossie

    Stimpson J. Cat

    There are still people at the ABC who love you Malcolm.
    Don’t give up.

    Once he is out of office Malcolm will get an office at the ABC studios so he can be the guest on every program to rubbish his former party.

    Hopefully it will enrage his former colleagues enough to sell off or just defund that nest of vipers.

  96. struth

    According to our ultra thick media and “jermalists”, the Australian people are sick of all this leadership kerfluffle, but can’t for the life of them work out why it’s happening.
    Apparently the back benchers were all feeling secure in their future and their constituents had all promised to vote for them, so why the bloody hell would these radicals be playing up?

    FMD.

    I don’t remember them moaning about this after Labor’s bullshit and then the rolling of Tony Abbott.

    Who knew Australians only got sick of PM changes after six, not five?

  97. MichelLasouris

    Apologies for stating the obvious, but whilst I feel a tad sorry for Turnbull’s situation. what goes round, comes round….right? I mis-typed Turnbull as Yurnball. is there a hidden message in that?

  98. H B Bear

    Bishop could disembowel a cuddly kitten on morning TV and still be elected in the silvertail territory of her Curtin electorate.

    Oi. I’m doing the best that I can do. Perhaps I should join GetUp and have a few relatives join me for the next election. The AEC and the courts don’t have a problem with this.

  99. Bruce in WA

    To any firearms owners who thinks Dutton would be OK, think again.

    He’s an ex-copper and I don’t know one of those who thinks “civilians” should be “allowed” to own firearms.

    (Sorry, I take that back. I know two, but they are w-a-y down the scale of power and authority.)

  100. struth

    What does Dutton stand for? Will he cut immigration and remove green subsides from power generation? These are the two major issues at the moment and no one seems to know what he intends to do.

    We’ll keep going through them until we get one that understands he’s a representative, not the fucking king.

  101. C.L.

    What does Dutton stand for? Will he cut immigration and remove green subsides from power generation? These are the two major issues at the moment and no one seems to know what he intends to do.

    I can tell you exactly what he’ll do.
    He will do everything humanly possible to be seen as soft, cuddly, luvvie and left-wing.

  102. feelthebern

    I will not be satisfied until Turnbull loses it & is caught sitting in his undies smearing peanut butter on himself, crying how it was his birth rite to be PM for as long as he wanted to.

  103. Trumble would not be in this shit if your Hillary mole made President.

    This bow you draw, struth, it is very long.

  104. feelthebern

    This just in.
    Dutton to be on The Project tomorrow night.

  105. Aaron

    7.30 Report re-animates the corpse of the Bride of Frankenstein to spin the Lieboral leadership debacle.

    They unlocked Michelle Grattan’s mausoleum?

  106. feelthebern

    If Dutton was an arab in Melb, skimming 5.6mill from the government would get him a safe labor seat.

  107. Infidel Tiger

    I could wear him, provided Credlin and TA were appointed with authority to oversee the prick and keep him in line and on task.

    Otherwise — no effing chance!

    Credlin!? If that succubus is sighted within cooee of any Lib leader then call in ISIS.

    She is a disgrace.

  108. Makka

    Dutton to be on The Project tomorrow night.

    Kinell!! Why go onto that leftist shitbag of a show just now? Tell us how it goes CL.

  109. Helen

    Haha Crossie, Hewson must be worried he will lose his ABC gig as tame go to faux conservative commenter.

  110. Rob

    Can someone please tell me why Malcolm Turnbull & Christopher Pynne are referred to as moderate liberals rather than Mediocre Liberals?

  111. feelthebern

    IT, you secretly love Credlins wacked out eyebrows.

  112. Infidel Tiger

    All childcare businesses receive government money.

    It is impossible not to.

  113. None

    C.L.

    #2796956, posted on August 22, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    yep

  114. struth

    This bow you draw, struth, it is very long.

    And it’s arrow sharp.

    Bullseye!

  115. feelthebern

    Christopher Pyne would be getting flogged at one of Canberra’s finest bath houses this evening, looking for the answer of who to back tomorrow.

  116. feelthebern

    In a just world, Nicholas Reece would be a crash test dummy.

  117. JC

    I can tell you exactly what he’ll do.
    He will do everything humanly possible to be seen as soft, cuddly, luvvie and left-wing.

    The retard has already said he’d do tampon tax removal on power bills without really attacking the problem.

  118. feelthebern

    Dutton isn’t really potato looking.
    More of a turnip.

  119. P

    How sweet it is.
    Always and every year. A bright August moon and the magpies carol the night away.

    It doesn’t seem sweet to me tonight. Too much at stake.
    Will Porter relate tomorrow that on advice Dutton appears to be ineligible to stand?
    Will Turnbull try to hang on by delaying the spill until after the parliament rises?
    Will there be other c0ntenders?
    Will Dutton be up to the job? Is he a conservative?
    What will be the fate of Tony Abbott? LNP won Government initially in 2013 because of him.

  120. None

    I’m going to give points to sharri Markson for standing up to Miranda on her show tonight. Miranda was quoting concetta approvingly and Sharri pointed out that concett also turned against Abbott just as she turned against Turnbull and is possibly not a reliable source and then pointed out that conceta made those lurid statements that led to Niki Savva making those unfounded and unsubstantiated claims about Peta Credlin. Good on you Sharri for standing up for Peta.

  121. feelthebern

    I was in Geelong on Monday.
    In Mudgee last night & this morning.
    The further you get out of the big cities, the less arse holes you see.

  122. MPH

    Must be my turn to be PM soon, everyone else has had a go!

    But seriously, would Dutton be able to deliver the agenda that Abbott couldn’t? Isn’t it all a bit redundant given the senate?

  123. struth

    Right now, the dark forces at work on Trump will be actually some of the very same forces now working on keeping Malcom in power no matter what.
    Your Soros orgs and international enemies.
    And they will stop at nothing.
    This will get really dirty.
    Behind the scenes.
    And very dangerous.

  124. Crossie

    Infidel Tiger
    #2796866, posted on August 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Paul Murray is carrying on like it’s a hostage situation.

    Isn’t it? Though we are the hostages.

  125. feelthebern

    Tom’s girlfriend (Sharri) is a feisty one.
    In contrast, Miranda Devine sounds like she had a glass of chardy with a valium chaser.

  126. Infidel Tiger

    I’m going to give points to sharri Markson for standing up to Miranda on her show tonight. Miranda was quoting concetta approvingly and Sharri pointed out that concett also turned against Abbott just as she turned against Turnbull and is possibly not a reliable source and then pointed out that conceta made those lurid statements that led to Niki Savva making those unfounded and unsubstantiated claims about Peta Credlin. Good on you Sharri for standing up for Peta.

    Further proof that women shouldn’t vote, be in politics or journalism.

  127. duncanm

    Dutton just needs to pull out the Terese Rein card when questioned about the childcare.

  128. feelthebern

    In other women related news, they’re covered up the lottoland bird.
    Before she pretty much had her norks out.
    Now, they have her more modestly dressed.

  129. C.L.

    Potato Head vs. Peanut Head.

    That’s where this nation is at, folks.

  130. None

    I was about to say that done can accept that Therese Rein divested herself of her business interests I just took them on again after rub got shafted.

  131. Snoopy

    Thanks None.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-childcare-company-received-5-6-million-in-public-money-20180822-p4zyy6.html

    Fuck me. Multiply $3m by every child care centre in Australia.

    You can see why governments like to take credit for job creation. Immigration ponzi, infrastructure, childcare, NDIS, health, education, social workers, aged care, police, military, renewables …..

  132. feelthebern

    Albo will roll Shorten before the election.
    Drovers dog style.

  133. None

    I don’t like Sharrj much either. She is another journalist who thinks she’s a player. It will be interesting to see how motherhood changes her.

  134. None

    Yep Snoopy. The people who avail themselves the most of public largesse are actually public servants. Well that’s what I think and I’m pretty sure if someone did a study I wouldn’t be too far wrong.

  135. struth

    Good looking women should be seen but not heard.

  136. None

    I’m with you on the politics IT, but you could twist my arm about the rest.

  137. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Potato Head vs. Peanut Head.

    With the Stick Insect vs the Slovenian Hag for second place.

    Australia, you’re standing in it.

  138. mh

    Your Soros orgs and international enemies.
    And they will stop at nothing.

    Yes, the Guardian is covering the Soros-backed GetUp who are doing exclusive polls in Dutton’s electorate. According GetUp nobody has heard of Dutton.

  139. P

    Dutton just needs to pull out the Terese Rein card when questioned about the childcare.

    I think that Rein got out of her interest in businesses receiving Commonwealth of Aust moneys, and invested her money in her U.K. business, whilst her husband was PM.

  140. John Adams

    OMG!!

    Turnbull to stand aside for Morrison! Morrison vs Dutton… Welcome Prime Minister Morrison!!

    Heaven help Australia!

  141. egg_

    Credlin!? If that succubus is sighted within cooee of any Lib leader then call in ISIS.

    +1

  142. Graham

    There’s nothing like a leadership challenge to make the comments sparkle on the thread. It would be worth hanging on to Malcolm for another 24 hours tops for them. Well done all.

  143. Pedro the Ignorant

    Turnbull to stand aside for Morrison

    WTF???

  144. H B Bear

    But seriously, would Dutton be able to deliver the agenda that Abbott couldn’t? Isn’t it all a bit redundant given the senate?

    It would be great if Bernardi could pick up a few seats in the Senate but I’m not particularly optimistic. The MSM have always labelled him a crank and I’m not sure he is making any headway winding that back.

    I hope I am wrong.

  145. Old School Conservative

    None
    #2796872, posted on August 22, 2018 at 9:12 pm
    Richo is looking very very unwell imho. I don’t think he is long for this earth, sorry to say.

    Whatever it takes.

  146. Snoopy

    Grauniad

    Late on Wednesday, Labor released advice from Bret Walker, SC, suggesting Dutton was not eligible for election and therefore not eligible to sit in the current parliament.

  147. feelthebern

    When is Bernardi up for election ?
    This election or the next one?

  148. Infidel Tiger

    OMG!!

    Turnbull to stand aside for Morrison! Morrison vs Dutton… Welcome Prime Minister Morrison!!

    Fake news.

  149. H B Bear

    Turnbull to stand aside for Morrison! Morrison vs Dutton… Welcome Prime Minister Morrison!!

    And so it descends into farce.

  150. Crossie

    Ross Cameron just barged in to Paul Murray’s panel to say that clarification is in order. Dutton had 43 verbal assurances and then when asked to sign the petition a lot of them declined and, in fact, fewer members signed than voted for him before.

    Burn it all down, there is no life in Canberra.

  151. None

    Sharri rightly 0pointed out that Turnbull stepping aside for anyone would be uncharacteristic although in this environment just about anything is possible. I think the Turnbull camp think they can ride this out. If they can survive this week then it will drag on until parliament sits again in September but I’m also reading that the MPS are demanding another party room meeting because they think they have the numbers. At least one MP has confirmed he has seen the letter and signed it – under the party rules 43 members of the Libs have to sign a letter to call an extraordinary party meeting but generally if somebody says hello we want a meeting I’ve got the numbers the PM usually agrees yo a meeting. Tony Abbott was presented with a letter with only two signatures and accepted it. Nevertheless, despite Turnbull not giving the customary 48hrs notice for the spill I expect he will demand 43 signatures this time and dodge and weave actually being available to receive it.

  152. Old School Conservative

    But why is Dutton leading the change movement but not Abbott?
    Are there any polls showing Dutton is more electable than Abbott? It may just be the LNP refusing to admit its mistake in punting Abbott.

  153. None

    Potato Head vs. Peanut Head.

    That’s where this nation is at, folks.

    LOL. By the way no journalist can complain about any comments about a femsle politician’s appearance after the s*** they’ve thrown about Dutton’s appearance in the last couple of days. Yes Marissa Payne, SHY and Tanya Plibetsek are fat and Julie Bishop’s face is slowly disintegrating from one too many Botox injections.

  154. struth

    I think the Turnbull camp think they can ride this out. If they can survive this week then it will drag on until parliament sits again in September

    And Australia can get truly f…ked!
    One person’s job is worth taking down a whole country, in Turdballs mind.
    When it is his.

  155. feelthebern

    Jenny Macklin looks like Bombour from the Hobbit.

  156. Old School Conservative

    I like the assumption that all has to be completed before members go home on Friday.
    Tuffen up team – stay for a day! Canberra is lovely at this time of year.

  157. Habib

    Michael Koziol

    @michaelkoziol
    Andrew Wilkie leaving Parliament tonight: “The country’s had a gutful of the antics in this place. I don’t think they really care who’s running it as long as it’s run competently.# #libspill
    8:31 PM – Aug 22, 2018

    Jesus titty fucking Christ. This shit gets funnier by the minute, I hope it never resolves.

  158. None

    Old school the lettuce leaf Livs have bought into the media narrative that Tony Abbott is unelectable. Remember that narrative? Such is there Abbott arrangement syndrome that they would not even report a possibility no matter how well grounded that Abbott could be p.m. again. You can even hear the Fear and Loathing in Miranda’s voice when she asked Sharri Markson if it was possible that Tony Abbott might slip through and come back. Sorry didn’t know but she did point out that some people allegedly said they would not vote for Dutton if Tony Abbott had a role in a Dutton cabinet and the rumour is that Abbott has been offered either Defence or Home Affairs. Personally I don’t care I just want to get rid of Turnbull and then I want to get rid of the Liberals.

  159. Habib

    Jenny Macklin looks like odure from a Hobbit. FIFY.

  160. None

    Mr Potato Head vs Pie Face. Food fight!

  161. struth

    But why is Dutton leading the change movement but not Abbott?
    Are there any polls showing Dutton is more electable than Abbott? It may just be the LNP refusing to admit its mistake in punting Abbott.

    This is truly about what is swinging between the legs.
    And whether or not Dutton is a conservative or not, he is trying to remove a dead set outright traitor from office.
    He has sacrificed his pay and has stood by what he believes more than any other so far, whether what he believes is good or not here is not really the issue.
    Malcom’s allegiances (and Skeletor’s) are not to Australia, but to the U.N., where That foul mole was heading for again tonight.

    Let’s just concentrate on getting the traitors out of office, and if we have to, bring down the whole Liberal Party in doing so, but let’s not have a “pile on” on Dutton right now.
    Let him do all he can.

  162. None

    Turnbull and his sycophant including Miranda are stupid to think that “Shorten will be worse” is a vote winner. It is to effectively say that Turnbull is going to screw the country and that Shorten will just screw it a little better. Don’t wonder why 30 to 40% of Australians don’t vote for them ages any more.

  163. Habib

    I think Dutton looks more like a hydrocele scrotum than a potato. Shorten looks like a hydrocephalus, so they have a bit in common.

  164. struth

    I like the assumption that all has to be completed before members go home on Friday.
    Tuffen up team – stay for a day! Canberra is lovely at this time of year.

    Governing the country ………it ceases at 16 48, no matter what is going on.

  165. mh

    Oh dear, none of this tonight….🗡🗡🗡🔪🔪🔪🔪🗡🗡🗡🗡🔪🔪🔪🔪

  166. P

    The present LNP govt is only in power today because of the effort of Tony Abbott in 2013.

  167. struth

    It all has to be wrapped up by Friday, as Malcom has a dinner engagement with Waleed and Skeletor has a ride through central Park New York booked in a white carriage with her special tax payer transported beau, after cocktails with Guturres and wine tasting with the French President.

  168. Baldrick

    What does Dutton stand for? Will he cut immigration and remove green subsides from power generation? These are the two major issues at the moment and no one seems to know what he intends to do.

    Good question old bloke. I can’t see the sense in cheering on Dutton, just to carry on like Trumble Lite.

  169. None

    @CUhlmann

    The text of the letter being circulated for another spill: “Dear Prime Minister, We, the undersigned, request that you call a meeting of the Joint House Parliamentary Liberal Party, as soon as practicable, for the purpose of determining the leadership of the Party”.

    @9NewsAUS

    6:39 PM · Aug 22, 2018

    the letter E circulating and like I said this time I reckon Turnbull or want to play by the rules so they need to get those 43 signatures even though Coleman has apparently already told Turnbull he has lost support of the party room. If they can’t get those signatures despite their verbal agreement it just goes to show that the Libs really are a bunch of lettuce leaves. Loving or hate him at least Dutton put his money where his mouth was and did not accept a reprieve to stay in cabinet.

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Governing the country ………it ceases at 16 48, no matter what is going on.

    O/T, I know, a quote from the Second World War, from a disgruntled British politician

    “Our leaders take their weekends in the country – Hister takes counties in a weekend.”

  171. Infidel Tiger

    Phillip Coorey
    Phillip Coorey
    @PhillipCoorey
    ·
    2h
    Lib MP says Whips office has had four complaints for female MPs saying they felt intimidated when asked to sign the petition. They didn’t sign. One Turnbull supporter says Dutton camp trying to whip up a crisis. #libspill #corblimeyillavealf

    Bwahahaha!

    Women should not be in politics.

  172. Crossie

    Old School Conservative
    #2797032, posted on August 22, 2018 at 10:41 pm
    But why is Dutton leading the change movement but not Abbott?
    Are there any polls showing Dutton is more electable than Abbott? It may just be the LNP refusing to admit its mistake in punting Abbott.

    It’s been clear for some time that the Libs would rather do anything than admit that.

  173. None

    Women should not be in politics.

    I’ve been saying that for years. I’ve had a challenge out for years for people to name me one effective competent female politician local state or Federal. No one has offered any names. They’re all f****** useless and they are a disgrace to my biological sex.

  174. None

    Old School, Crossie: indeed.

  175. Twostix

    Tony Abbott is the only person who has actually won an election in the last decade.

    The never ending rage against him by the bugman class is simply a proxy for their hate towards the everyman (who voted for him in an historic landslide).

  176. P

    I wish it was Tony Abbott who was contesting.

    I quote from Bolt’s blog:

    “Abbott knows his time is therefore not now and is backing Dutton rather than himself.
    Other Liberals are also switching their support to the man who seems most like Abbott but isn’t actually called Abbott — to the former home affairs minister who is Abbott’s confidant.
    Dutton’s enemies have attacked that association from the moment Malcolm Turnbull tried — and failed — to destroy Dutton with a surprise leadership ballot that the Prime Minister won only narrowly.”

  177. Baldrick

    Don’t mention children drowning in the Timor Sea Adam and you’ll be fine …

    Adam Bandt ✔ @AdamBandt
    Peter Dutton is the chief organiser of the torture of children.
    You’ve probably already worked this out, but there is no way I would offer him confidence & supply.
    It’s time for the people to turf this rotten gov out, especially if it’s led by a human rights abuser.
    #Greens

  178. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ve been saying that for years. I’ve had a challenge out for years for people to name me one effective competent female politician local state or Federal

    I can’t nominate Carmen Lawrence from Western Australia, can I? State Premier, who’s own brother led the campaign to get rid of her? Would have made family dinners around the Lawrence table, most interesting.

  179. struth

    I’ve had a challenge out for years for people to name me one effective competent female politician local state or Federal.

    Agreed but fair’s fair.
    Finding a decent male one is not that easy either.

  180. P

    Abbott stopped the boats!
    Abbott got rid of the carbon tax!
    Abbott got rid of the mining tax!
    Abbott got the sack from his own party.
    They wanted better?

  181. struth

    They wanted better?

    It’s what the UN wanted, that mattered.

  182. P

    It’s what the UN wanted, that mattered.

    Exactly.

  183. Tim Blair is still posting? Bless.

  184. C.L.

    Adam Bandt ✔ @AdamBandt
    Peter Dutton is the chief organiser of the torture of children.

    First order of business for Dutton is to sue Adam Bandt.

  185. P

    Tim Blair is still posting? Bless.

    Thanks m0nty.

    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
    27 minutes ago

    WHO’S WITH WHO, WHO’S AGAINST, AND WHO MAY BE SHIFTING

  186. Cpt Seahawks

    Abbott as energy and immigration minister under Dutton.

  187. Viva

    Once he is out of office Malcolm will get an office at the ABC studios so he can be the guest on every program to rubbish his former party.

    John Hewson already has that gig.

  188. Ubique

    Hey Turdbull – what goes around, comes around. We trust the humiliation bites deep.

  189. Ubique

    I do want Turdbull to survive until the next Newspoll is published. A primary Liberal vote with a two in front of it will be something to behold.

  190. None

    Next Newspoll is Monday I think.

    By that time, C.L.’s big rump will be full on B.B.L.
    Brazilian butt lift.

  191. None

    Credlin!? If that succubus is sighted within cooee of any Lib leader then call in ISIS.

    She is a disgrace.

    Take your meds, IT.

  192. None

    Andrew Bolt is going after the useless Liberal women in tomorrow’s column. As a woman myself, all I can say is GOOD. Women politicians are waste of space. Fornicating tax hoovers. Nothing more.

  193. None

    Dutton and supporters resigne en mass from Liberal party. Join AC. Write new Coaltiion agreement with Nats Bring down government (as I am not sure they will have numbers to govern) and call election. Announce polices to reduce immigration by 2/3 rds, remove RET and green subsidies, guarantee/encourage coal power, allow Catholic and independent schools to distribute funding as see fit. End of Shorten.

  194. Tom

    Trumble has no strategy except to survive until the parliamentary session ends tonight and the backbench rabbits hit the road to get an earful from voters in their electorates. That buys him two and a half weeks until parliament resumes on September 10.

    Meantime, only News Corp is reporting the leadership crisis objectively: Fakefacts, Their ABC and the rest of the loony left media are barracking for Trumble — or more accurately, anyone but Dutton — and, with the help of Soros/GetUp, the Greenfilth and the Liars will do whatever it takes to bring Dutton down, including the desperate beatup du jour that Dutton may be ineligible to hold office because of his business interests.

    The Fakefacts stenographer tonight on Their Sky, Eryk (!) Bagshaw, who laughably calls himself ShakeMyHamas’s “economics correspondent” (i.e., the anti-business writer), has already declared, with zero evidence, that Dutton will lose a second leadership ballot, if one is held, and Trumble will survive.

    Simon Benson in the Paywallian is convinced Trumble will face a second leadership vote today — but I can’t read his story because (even though I am a subscriber) the Paywallian’s stupid fucking website, with help from Trumble’s stupid fucking NBN and Windows 10, freezes my screen everytime I try to retrieve content.

  195. old bloke

    If Dutton is found to be ineligible to sit in Parliament, then that’s the end of the Turnbull government.

    There’s no way a by election in Dutton’s electorate would return another LNP member, this could get very messy.

  196. None

    Old bloke – they can only test that in the High Court and they will only consider that depending on the Solicitor’s General advice and it would be stupid to risk it unless Turnbull just wants to take Dutton down with him.

  197. None

    This written late Wednesday evening can explain why Turnbull and Porter referred this to the S-G.

    @PhillipCoorey

    Senior conservative just told me “I don’t think they’ll get the 43 votes they need”. Turnbull a good chance of surviving tomorrow, S44 doubts over Dutton hampering the push. But it’s close #libspill

    Basically to scare the lettuce leafs and stop them from switching to Dutton.

  198. There can be no doubt now that Labor is the natural party for libertarians in Australia, after this:

    “The ACCC and the Australian Energy Regulator (AER) will be directed to set a default price for households and small to medium-sized businesses …

    “This will replace the current standing offer in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and South East Queensland – jurisdictions where prices are not regulated.”

    – Scott Morrison, 20 August 2018

  199. Top Ender

    MacMalcolm, Act V.

    Meanwhile, at Castle Malcolm:

    (The three Weird Sisters, Lucy, Julie Bishop, and former General Morrison, are all in high heels and bikinis, circling the Cauldron, throwing handfuls of $50s into it.)

    The Weird Sisters are chanting spells over the cauldron: “Uggle buggle toil and trouble,
    Something wicked this way comes.”

    Malcolm (peering out through the curtains): “Luce, there’s a big D9 bulldozer being unloaded from a semi outside.”

    Lucy: “Hush Malcolm, all will be fine.”

    Malcolm: “Um, there’s a conga line of Libs with RPG launchers. They’re lining up, Luce, help…”

    BANG!

    The End.

  200. None

    There can be no doubt now that Labor is the natural party for libertarians in Australia,

    Is that the Labor Party that can’t make its own policies unless some unelected Union Goons and feral undergraduates approve it at some annual meeting and then cannot vote for their own policies unless approved by those same unelected Goons and feral indergraduates on threat of disendorsement? What actually is the point of the Labor Party by the way, apart from being gigantic tax hoovers and shop fronts for corrupt unions? Has Shorten stop bonking other peoples wives yet?

  201. Habib

    With informed consent? I’m sure he’s still on the lookout for a more upmarket model than the current squeeze, ex GG daughter doesn’t have the latest bells and whistles.

    Seriously, WTF do any of these flibbertygibbets find the slightest bit attractive about a beer-bottle shouldered, paunchy, pale, none too bright Pom with a speech impediment and a head shaped like a butternut? He’s almost as obvious an inverse chick magnet as the rodentine Albanese.

  202. Tintarella di Luna

    A poetic snippet for today:

    “Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small;
    Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all.”

    ― Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    That would actually be apposite if these rent-seekers actually suffered any retribution but they will waltz off with pensions and perquisites still paid for by the long suffering voter who’s been right royally dudded and those that remain will continue to be the divisive, mendacious, useless venal spivs that is their true nature.

  203. Tintarella di Luna

    With informed consent? I’m sure he’s still on the lookout for a more upmarket model than the current squeeze, ex GG daughter doesn’t have the latest bells and whistles.

    Seriously, WTF do any of these flibbertygibbets find the slightest bit attractive about a beer-bottle shouldered, paunchy, pale, none too bright Pom with a speech impediment and a head shaped like a butternut? He’s almost as obvious an inverse chick magnet as the rodentine Albanese.

    Thanks Habib more adjectives for the depleted lexicon larder, hmmm I particularly like rodentine

  204. Tintarella di Luna

    From Christopher commenting on Tim Blair’s Who’s Who post: Meanwhile this is still valid

  205. Do you recall the profile of Australia’s economy in 2013 after six years of Labor, None?

    * median wealth per adult $US219,505, highest in the world;
    * Heritage economic freedom score 82.0, highest in the OECD;
    * hours worked per adult per month: 86.6, highest on record;
    * ranking in the OECD on jobless rate: sixth;
    * productivity rising in a continuous 17-quarter streak;
    * optimum interest rates: 2.5%;
    * budget deficit $18.8 billion, down from $43.4 billion the previous year;
    * gross debt 28.6% of GDP;
    * net debt 10.4% of GDP;
    * value of the Aussie dollar: 92 U.S. cents;
    * economic growth in a 22-year positive streak
    * AAA ratings with positive outlooks with all three credit agencies, for the first time ever;
    * world’s best economy on the IAREM, for the third year in a row.

    Correct?

    If any country at any time, ever, was in better shape, then when and where?

    What are those levels now, None?

  206. Entropy

    Smells like Swanonimcs to me Alan. Also I am not sure a few of those numbers are necessarily good measures, or the figure desirable one way or the other. Australia’s true high point would have been around the end of 2007, early 2008.
    The downward trajectory started when Rudd started his spendathon to paper over the temporary recession (bloody GDP calculation!), then the commodity boom started to really crank. But all our current problems started then.
    Just because the current mob are useless does not hide the previous mob were just as useless and inward looking.
    If Rudd had not won in 2007 I doubt we would have the apparently intractable problems we have today. At the least many of the current liberals would not be there, the senate would not be like it is, and Turnbull, Gillard and Rudd would never have been PM.

  207. Real Deal

    Once he is out of office Malcolm will get an office at the ABC studios so he can be the guest on every program to rubbish his former party.

    John Hewson will be worried, Malcolm will replace him at the ABC as chief liberal Conservative Basher.

  208. Rob

    Do you recall the profile of Australia’s economy in 2013 after six years of Labor, None?

    * median wealth per adult $US219,505, highest in the world;
    * Heritage economic freedom score 82.0, highest in the OECD;
    * hours worked per adult per month: 86.6, highest on record;
    * ranking in the OECD on jobless rate: sixth;
    * productivity rising in a continuous 17-quarter streak;
    * optimum interest rates: 2.5%;
    * budget deficit $18.8 billion, down from $43.4 billion the previous year;
    * gross debt 28.6% of GDP;
    * net debt 10.4% of GDP;
    * value of the Aussie dollar: 92 U.S. cents;
    * economic growth in a 22-year positive streak
    * AAA ratings with positive outlooks with all three credit agencies, for the first time ever;
    * world’s best economy on the IAREM, for the third year in a row.

    That was a function of of the legacy they were left by the Howard Government and how badly the US and Europe were hit by the GFC. The Obama administration and the PIGS in Europe were not exactly setting the world on fire (at least not in a good way). It’s a different comparison now with The Trump administration vs the Trumble government with its retarded senate (and bill shorten and the alp throwing their toys out of the cot since they lost government Along with their joint pursuit of the worlds highest energy prices).

  209. Nob

    Commodities boom took off in 2004/5, halted dramatically in late 2014.

    Governments could spend like drunken sailors and there seemed to be no reckoning.
    Fuck all too show for it except crippling debt and soaring energy l prices.

    2015 onwards, businesses and individuals were forced to tighten their belts.

    Governments and public employees and unions just kept grabbing and wasting like nothing had happened.

    Abbot’s feeble attempts to cut the waste federally triggered hysterical protests and it seemed nobody could curb the the taxation and regulation mania of the states and local government.

    And here we are.

  210. Yes, the economy in 2013 profited from the decisions of many previous regimes, Rob, including Whitlam’s which opened trade with China and Hawke’s which completely restructured and freed up the economy.
    So, yes, let’s share the credit with as many governments as we wish.
    The point to note here – in response to None and others – is that Australia’s economy after six years of Labor’s decision-making was the best-performed in the entire world.
    By a street.

  211. Nob

    It’s not hard for Australia economy to look good during a commodities boom.

    The very thing that makes us richer makes other countries poorer, in effect, as their costs go up.

    All that Lucky Country hubris with clowns like Swan and Gillard taking credit.

  212. Helen

    What were the measurements for days lost from work – strikes, etc, I wonder, in comparison to earlier times.

  213. Jonesy

    I cried when Angus Taylor stood up and then accepted the thirty pieces of silver from the devil. Surely, he must have realised that by the devil not accepting his resignition he was doomed. The dark minions crowed when Taylor denounced himself in the house. Far better to seat up the back than have such a public humiliation as being run over by your own bus.

  214. Nob

    Alan, what Labor decision created the commodities boom?

  215. So why is Australia no longer among the top 20 economies, Nob?

    The big miners are now making far greater profits than they ever made during the Labor years?

    “We have reported another strong set of results with underlying EBITDA of $9.2 billion and operating cash flow of $5.2 billion. In a favourable market environment, our Tier 1 assets and strong operational capability have achieved a 43 per cent EBITDA margin …

    “As a result, we continue to deliver superior shareholder returns with a record interim dividend of $2.2 billion and a $1.0 billion top-up to our existing share buy-back programme.”

    ~ Rio Tinto chief executive J-S Jacques, August 2018

  216. Herodotus

    After months of Monty, Testes and Boris, even Alan Austin’s trolling looks competent.

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    The point to note here – in response to None and others – is that Australia’s economy after six years of Labor’s decision-making was the best-performed in the entire world.
    By a street.

    Rudd did well to resist the carbon and mining taxes in his first term. When Gillard brought in the mining tax my business phone stopped ringing. That silence continued for about 18 months until mining companies started to emerge from under their shells again. And of course the carbon tax was a disaster.

    That is again why Turnbull is on the nose. You tax energy overtly (Gillard) or by stealth (Turnbull) and you hurt millions of poor people. I read this report just now:

    ‘WE’RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES WHO CAN’T AFFORD TO RUN THEIR HEATING’

    Labor would be much more palatable if they ditched their stupid adherence to the climate religion.

  218. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The present LNP govt is only in power today because of the effort of Tony Abbott in 2013

    Yes. And putting him back in as PM is the only thing that the electorate would understand about this current political uproar. The electorate voted against a carbon tax, they didn’t want to pay higher prices on anything because of an unproven warming hypothesis, and they will only support the Libs when they get back to exactly that vote winning idea, which romped it home for Abbott, the great campaigner, in 2013.

    COME ON DOWN, TONY.

  219. Neil

    The point to note here – in response to None and others – is that Australia’s economy after six years of Labor’s decision-making was the best-performed in the entire world.
    By a street.

    All Rudd/Gillard did was start a runaway debt truck which appears unstoppable. We were debt free in 2007. Hundreds of billions of debt later what did we do with all that money?

  220. Helen

    The filth in the Liberal party would rather bathe in acid and eat their left over body parts than accept, let alone invite TOny Abbott back. Tony recognises his time is past. I agree he could bring back the base and save seats if not even win, but it won’t be happening in this parliament.

  221. entropy

    here was I thinking Alan was posting something serious. Then I realise he is just trolling under the delusion we are liberal supporters on this blog. What an putz.

  222. Not at all, Entropy.
    There is no question about when Australia’s financial disaster struck. It was in late 2008 – as everywhere else in the developed world.
    And there is no question that by 2013, the economy had stabilised. It was indeed the best-performed in the world by all measures then. Whichever economy came second – Norway, the UAE or Singapore – was a long way behind.
    There is also little doubt that the status of top economy would have continued had the settings in place in 2013 remained in place.
    Unfortunately, they didn’t. Such is Australia’s doom.

  223. Tel

    Australia’s economy after six years of Labor’s decision-making was the best-performed in the entire world.

    If you conveniently ignore ballooning government debt which remains with us to the present day and on track to a soverign debt crisis in about 10 years.

    Other than that though, wonderful economy! How’s Greece doing?

  224. .

    So why is Australia no longer among the top 20 economies, Nob?

    The big miners are now making far greater profits than they ever made during the Labor years?

    The dollar is weak because of poor management of the economy Alan, as we have less purchasing power.

    However, this benefits commodity exporters who sell goods in USD. The US has also stepped up production over the last two years. The USD price has risen (also look at the 5-year copper and nickel charts for more). Ask some of your friends who might freelance as writers if they sell their services in USD.

    I suggest you also look at the reinvestment rate and level of firms that consistently deliver dividends and dividend growth. This is essentially what drives economic growth. Maybe ask some of your friends in business what is going on, this is sustainability in the true sense of the word. It is through disciplined saving and strategic investment of those savings these firms can increase their dividends each year.

    This is not hard Alan. Please keep up.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Australia’s economy after six years of Labor’s decision-making was the best-performed in the entire world.

    The world is generally in a frightful mess, Alan Austin. It’s just that there is a lot of ruin in a nation, and Australia has ridden home many good booms. We’d be a lot better off without Labor’s debt load crippling the next generation and the one after that too. The spending has been on lunatic left-wing issues and unthoughtout and uncosted ‘grand projects’ like the NBN, the NDIS and the ponzi immigration fracas, plus handouts to prevent a world financial crisis that barely affected us in our part of the world economy at all. All in all, a huge waste, while our basic services and infrastructure have decayed to Soviet standards in many areas and private enterprise and individual economic and political freedoms are nipped in the bud at every turn. Yet these are the very things on which this Nation was founded and thrived..

    It’s Whitlameque in its folly. Coming in here on the Cat sticking up for such stupidity on this forum suggests that you are just at the beginning of your journey to intellectual honesty and overall sanity. Many of us here started out as eager socialists and university ‘look at all sides as long as you swing left’ dissemblers. At least you are here and trying to think things through. Live and learn, pretty boy.

  226. Neil

    * budget deficit $18.8 billion, down from $43.4 billion the previous year;

    Wrong. Swans last May 2013 budget was a $48B deficit. Swans 6 budgets produced deficits of $27B, $54B, $47B, $43B, $19B and $48B

    * net debt 10.4% of GDP;

    Yeah and NET debt was minus 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero. WE actually had money in the bank earning $1B/year in income. One of the few countries in human history to be debt free. Rudd/Swan trashed the budget and NET debt went from minus 3% to plus 13% from 2007-2013 not 10.3%

  227. .

    There is also little doubt that the status of top economy would have continued had the settings in place in 2013 remained in place.

    Projected Federal debt in Australia from 2013 policy settings is well over one trillion AUD.

    The States have over 400 bn AUD of debt too.

    Why would we be better off if debt was approaching 100% of GDP Alan?

    Our GDP growth rate is already low enough. You are not supporting Keynesian ideas, but social credit.

    Given the bond rate; a 60-65% debt to GDP ratio is at the level where debt payments equal the monetised level of GDP.

    The economy would be suffering prolonged contraction if we had GDP growth less than debt servicing for a prolonged period.

    There is no way we’d be better off – the only way out would be to make the populace pay through massive overt taxes and high inflation because of that and otherwise. You could not cut spending enough to keep up.

    Now viz your prior comments, which industries would benefit the most if we belted purchasing power and the AUD’s ability to buy USD?

  228. Cassie of Sydney

    “Alan Austin
    #2797130, posted on August 23, 2018 at 3:05 am
    There can be no doubt now that Labor is the natural party for libertarians in Australia, after this:

    “The ACCC and the Australian Energy Regulator (AER) will be directed to set a default price for households and small to medium-sized businesses …

    “This will replace the current standing offer in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and South East Queensland – jurisdictions where prices are not regulated.”

    – Scott Morrison, 20 August 2018”

    I just fell over laughing reading this. At least, Alan Austin, you’re an entertaining troll.

  229. Candy

    Dutton should sue Adam Bandt for that comment. Whatever you think of detention issues, to say Dutton is personally torturing children deserves fightback in a big Trump like way. Do it, Mr Dutton.

  230. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    NB Austin – it’s a warming ‘hypothesis’, with a lot of shonky science behind it, a great deal of political capital and hard money promulgating it, a tremendous amount of investment in the idea rather than the reality of it, and no actual evidence for it so far.

    Essentially, it a grand scheme, an unprovable idea, formed as a hypothesis but in no way following any empircal principles in formulation (including all factors; horrendously difficult) nor in evidence (where’s that troposphere hot spot?). I’m currently in Norway. The land is still rising from the last Ice Age. Measuring ‘world’ sea levels or ‘world’ temperatures is a joke and so are captive ‘scratch each others’ backs’ systems of academic refereeing. I was once an academic and I’ve seen a lot of that.

    It’s a hoax, sweetie.

    Bet you’re a believer though.

  231. Yes, Tel, debt is an excellent example.
    Throughout the period 2008 to 2013, all developed countries had to borrow to deal with the Great Recession. Even Norway.
    But Australia borrowed far less than most countries. As a percentage of GDP, gross debt peaked under Labor at around 31%, then started to decline.
    But after 2014, when most well-managed economies were repaying their debt, Australia’s started to blow out again. For no valid reason.
    Of the 35 wealthy OECD countries, only Mexico has performed worse between 2014 and 2017. The majority of those 35 countries have taken advantage of the extraordinary global boom and reduced their debt as a percentage of GDP over that period.

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