Trumped up charges

Before I add my own comment, you are advised (urged) to look at this post at Reddit: Connecting some dots. You are guaranteed not to read it in the papers.

Now to Manafort and Cohen, which is, in essence: “Look Michael, see what we did to Paul. Well we can do the same to you.” And they can. And they will, if he does not cooperate 100%. So what is the issue? This is how Manafort fits in:

The trial of Manafort, who chaired Donald Trump’s campaign in mid-2016 when Trump was selected as the Republican presidential nominee, never dealt with possible collusion between the campaign team and Russia or efforts to obstruct justice that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating.

But they got their man. So how does Cohen fit in: Cohen testifies Trump told him to commit crime by paying off women. This, by the way, is not illegal:

U.S. President Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen testified on Tuesday that Trump had directed him to commit a crime by arranging payments ahead of the 2016 presidential election to silence two women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump.

This is what’s illegal:

“Today he (Cohen) stood up and testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election,” Davis said in a statement.

And only if that was the reason is it even technically illegal, and only because the payment was not declared as an election expense. If he merely wished to avoid having to deal with his wife over the question of adultery, say, then it is not illegal for him to have paid these women to keep things to themselves.

We are dealing with some of the sleaziest people you will ever see and I don’t in this case mean Stormy Daniels. Meanwhile it is very likely that Cohen will say whatever he is told to say:

Cohen, 51, made the statements as he pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges in federal court in Manhattan, including tax evasion, bank fraud and campaign finance violations.

And do not forget that Cohen also has a plea deal. If they can get Trump out, they will get him out. All of it right before your righteous eyes.

MEANWHILE: Unless you have been paying close attention, you won’t even know who this is: JUDGE GIVES NO JAIL TIME TO IMRAN AWAN, ATTORNEY CLAIMS HE WAS BUILDING ‘WOMEN’S SHELTER’. The major points in the story:

  • Former IT aide Imran Awan received no jail time Tuesday after a federal judge said he had “suffered enough.”
  • His lawyer said his “destitute” client was building a charity hospital, but reports show that the land was also used for a real estate development and was allegedly stolen from farmers.
  • Former Democratic chiefs of staff wrote letters of support for Imran, despite IT-violation findings by the House inspector general and Capitol Police.

Here is an anodyne version of why he was up on charges:

Imran and his family were banned from the House computer network in February 2017 after the House’s top law enforcement officer wrote that Imran is “an ongoing and serious risk to the House of Representatives, possibly threatening the integrity of our information systems,” and that a server containing evidence had gone “missing.” The inspector general said server logs showed “unauthorized access” and procurement records were falsified.

The best bit in the story is that Imran actually thanked the prosecutors! He also no doubt has more material than Julian Assange that if he leaked it out could put half the Democrat caucus away for a very long time.

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97 Responses to Trumped up charges

  1. v_maet

    There was literally no evidence against Cohen or Trump.
    He just plead guilty and gave Mueller’s team a free pass.

  2. Singleton Engineer

    Did I not hear that the source of some or all of the payoff funds was an election fund and that payment from this source was thus inappropriate? As well, of course, other links to the election campaign?

  3. The reality is that the Left will stop at nothing, absolutely nothing, to try and stop Trump.

  4. NB

    Stalin: “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”

  5. tombell

    what’s happened to Russia? We all know it never really had anything to do with the Ruskies. Just an ambit trawl around for anything, anything they can make stick. No wonder Trump despises Sessions. A lefty friend of my wife during an animated discussion the other night told me she thought it clear Trump was in Putin’s pocket because she’d heard the Russians had film of Trump urinating on a hooker. Told her she was a year or two late getting on board that particular train – and did she know who paid for that unsubstantiated sleaze? I was accused of “evasion”. I accused her of being fat (which she is) – and said that only one of us was on sure ground. The night did not end well!!

  6. tgs

    /r/greatawakening is a QAnon conspiracy theory subreddit.

    Steve, are you saying you believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory?

  7. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    There was literally no evidence against Cohen or Trump.

    Cohen is guity as sin, but he was the lawyer and he committed the act.

    They have nothing on Trump.

  8. H B Bear

    The rule of law is only on nodding acquaintance with the US “justice” system as this entire episode demonstrates. It is ugly.

  9. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Geraldo Rivera

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    Remember-despite the glee emanating from #CNN & #MSNBC-nothing in the @PaulManafort trial or guilty verdict on the tax charges has to do with @realDonaldTrump Except for the fact that he was targeted because he later worked for the Trump campaign

    1:37 PM – 21 Aug 2018

    It’s bizarro world when Geraldo is the sane person in the room.

  10. Shame on you, Tombell, for not selling tickets 🍿

  11. H B Bear

    It’s bizarro world when Geraldo is the sane person in the room.

    Happening a lot now.

  12. Snoopy

    It’s a monstrous crime to succumb to blackmail. Apparently.

  13. Empire 5:5

    tgs
    #2796146, posted on August 22, 2018 at 1:20 pm
    /r/greatawakening is a QAnon conspiracy theory subreddit.

    Steve, are you saying you believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory?

    How does the source invalidate the facts?

    You’re glowing.

    Explain what the conspiracy is. Come on, don’t be shy now o wise one.

  14. Confused Old Misfit

    JUDGE GIVES NO JAIL TIME TO IMRAN AWAN, ATTORNEY CLAIMS HE WAS BUILDING ‘WOMEN’S SHELTER’

    Judge Tanya Chutkin

    Female judge. No more need be said.

  15. Empire 5:5

    “When the FEC wrote the regulation that says what constitutes campaign expenditures and what constitutes personal use, it rejected specifically the idea that a campaign expenditure was anything related to a campaign, and instead says it has to be something that exists only because of the campaign and solely for that reason.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/breaking-former-head-of-federal-elections-says-cohen-payment-is-not-an-in-kind-campaign-contribution/

  16. Chris M

    It’s an important part of the process. Systematically investigate every minutiae of anyone in any way connected or related to Trump. Grind them down.

    That way no future outside person like him would ever dare try running for president again. It’s vital to the survival of the deep state political class.

  17. Dr Fred Lenin

    We are dealing with trained lawtradespersons here Steve every lawyer has a skeleton in the closet.
    Reminds me of the famous Rabbi who was being earbashed by a young would be prominent man at a function ,the young man said “ my brother is a famous criminal lawyer” the Rabbi replied “you have met an honest one”???

  18. Iampeter

    Yes of course! It’s all becoming clear now!

    Keep joining those dots Steve!

  19. .

    Come on now people Q Anon is probably all bullshit or controlled opp by now.

    There are actual conspiracies that have existed we know about with evidence, like MK Ultra.

    Without proof, you can extrapolate to the moon and back.

  20. .

    Starting to think Clint is a left wing troll account.

  21. Yohan

    The electoral campaign finance charge Cohen pled guilty to is nonsensical, as outlined above. It would easily be defeated in court, but the point of giving him reduced jailtime on the tax/bank fraud charges was to get him to plead to this specific charge as a means to politically hurt Trump.

    But imagine this….. imagine if Trump had paid off those playboy/pron stars with his electoral campaign money. The DOJ would right now be charging him with misusing his campaign funds for personal use.

    If Trump pays off the shakedown artists with his own money = Corrupt
    If Trump pays off the shakedown artists with campaign money = Corrupt

    If Trump looks up, he is a crook. If he looks down, he is a crook. This is the fantasy land we have entered, and it it politically hurting Trump, as intended.

    The only people here who are corrupt are the prosecutors, who are abusing their power for political purposes.

  22. .

    Change my mind, Clint. You haven’t produced a shred of evidence for your race reality theories yet you want me to believe it only extends to ethnostates? That is not convincing at all.

  23. Yohan

    Clint this site is full of Cucks.
    Here you have the two wings of Oz Conservatism Inc; IPA style libertarianism (open borders, castrated civil libertarianism), and moronic Neocon Boltheads.

  24. Yohan

    Present company excluded of course.

  25. Iampeter

    I suspect Clint is here because its a quiet day on the Daily Stormer or some equivalent.

    Cat is sadly a ripe target for their “normie/clueless-conservative” recruitment drives too.

  26. .

    That hurt Yohan and it is because of the context, not the content per se.

  27. Yohan

    My comment is about the Cat in general Dot, I am not taking aim at you or anyone in this discussion.

  28. cohenite

    for the principal purpose of influencing an election

    If you read the hush agreement it really reads like the slut was attempting to blackmail Trump and he just made a commercial decision:

    https://www.vox.com/2018/3/6/17088902/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-trump

    There is no way it meets the primary purpose test applicable under the campaign legislation.

  29. Mr Black

    Trump has performed one of the greatest political services in history by showing the breadth and depth of what can only be described as endemic corruption in the entire federal government and those it has dealings with. They will never be able to put this jack back in the box, too many people have seen it. I wouldn’t be surprised if after the killings start “remember mueller” appears scrawled onto walls next to the bodies of slain democrats.

  30. Regarding the amount of money that is quoted as being paid to Stormy Daniels, $130,000 sounds like a lot of money and FakeNews has always stressed the amount. Is it a lot of money?
    $130,000 to a Billionaire is the equivalent of…..
    $130 to a millionaire
    $13 to a comfy upper middle class person
    $1.30 to an average person
    $0.13 to a poor person like me.

    So in context, paying a nuisance bitch an amount that would be similar to $1.30 to an average person when you’re running for President seems like an easy decision to make.

    By the way, the US FEC, which has jurisdiction on campaign finance issues, has NOT charged Trump or Cohen. SDNY charged Cohen, which is interesting. Cohen didn’t have to plead to something that is NOT illegal. WITCH HUNT.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trust the plan Steve.

  32. .

    No need to apologise Yohan, I was joking in response.

  33. Yohan

    It doesn’t matter what the facts are re Stormy, the media will trumpet the fact Cohen pled guilty to conspiracy to illegally influence the election under Trumps direction.

    They can roll this out as a slogan again and again and it sounds damning. They have outmaneuvered him on this one.

  34. Make of the following what you will, from a Reddit thread. Read it slowly.

    From 2001 to 2005 there was an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

    A Grand Jury had been impanelled.

    Governments from around the world had donated to the “Charity”.

    Yet, from 2001 to 2003 none of those “Donations” to the Clinton Foundation were declared. Now you would think that an honest investigator would be able to figure this out.

    Look who took over this investigation in 2005: None other than James Comey; Coincidence? Guess who was transferred into the Internal Revenue Service to run the Tax Exemption Branch of the IRS? None other than, Lois “Be on The Look Out” (BOLO) Lerner. Isn’t that interesting?

    But this is all just a series of strange coincidences, right?

    Guess who ran the Tax Division inside the Department of Injustice from 2001 to 2005?

    No other than the Assistant Attorney General of the United States,

    Rod Rosenstein.

    Guess who was the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation during this time frame?

    Another coincidence (just an anomaly in statistics and chances), but it was Robert Mueller.

    What do all four casting characters have in common?

    They all were briefed and/or were front-line investigators into the Clinton Foundation Investigation.

    Another coincidence, right?

    Fast forward to 2009….

    James Comey leaves the Justice Department to go and cash-in at Lockheed Martin.

    Hillary Clinton is running the State Department, official government business, on her own personal email server.

    The Uranium One “issue” comes to the attention of the Hillary.

    Like all good public servants do, supposedly looking out for America’s best interest, she decides to support the decision and approve the sale of 20% of US Uranium to no other than, the Russians.

    Now you would think that this is a fairly straight up deal, except it wasn’t, America got absolutely nothing out of it.

    However, prior to the sales approval, no other than Bill Clinton goes to Moscow, gets paid 500K for a one hour speech; then meets with Vladimir Putin at his home for a few hours.

    Ok, no big deal right? Well, not so fast, the FBI had a mole inside the money laundering and bribery scheme.

    Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during this time frame? Yep, He even delivered a Uranium Sample to Moscow in 2009.

    Who was handling that case within the Justice Department out of the US Attorney’s Office in Maryland?

    None other than, Rod Rosenstein. And what happened to the informant?

    The Department of Justice placed a GAG order on him and threatened to lock him up if he spoke out about it.

    How does 20% of the most strategic asset of the United States of America end up in Russian hands when the FBI has an informant, a mole providing inside information to the FBI on the criminal enterprise?

    Very soon after; the sale was approved!~145 million dollars in “donations” made their way into the Clinton Foundation from entities directly connected to the Uranium One deal.

    Guess who was still at the Internal Revenue Service working the Charitable Division? None other than, – Lois Lerner.

    Ok, that’s all just another series of coincidences, nothing to see here, right?

    Let’s fast forward to 2015.

    Due to a series of tragic events in Benghazi and after the 9 “investigations” the House, Senate and at State Department, Trey Gowdy who was running the 10th investigation as Chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi discovers that the Hillary ran the State Department on an unclassified, unauthorized, outlaw personal email server. He also discovered that none of those emails had been turned over when she departed her “Public Service” as Secretary of State which was required by law. He also discovered that there was Top Secret information contained within her personally archived email.

    Sparing you the State Departments cover up, the nostrums they floated, the delay tactics that were employed and the outright lies that were spewed forth from the necks of the Kerry State Department, we shall leave it with this…… they did everything humanly possible to cover for Hillary. .

    Now this is amazing, guess who became FBI Director in 2013? None other than James Comey; who secured 17 no bid contracts for his employer (Lockheed Martin) with the State Department and was rewarded with a six million dollar thank you present when he departed his employer? Amazing how all those no-bids just went right through at State, huh?

    Now he is the FBI Director in charge of the “Clinton Email Investigation” after of course his FBI Investigates the Lois Lerner “Matter” at the Internal Revenue Service and he exonerates her. Nope…. couldn’t find any crimes there.

    In April 2016, James Comey drafts an exoneration letter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile the DOJ is handing out immunity deals like candy. They didn’t even convene a Grand Jury!

    Like a lightning bolt of statistical impossibility, like a miracle from God himself, like the true “Gangsta” Comey is, James steps out into the cameras of an awaiting press conference on July the 8th of 2016, and exonerates the Hillary from any wrongdoing.

    Do you see the pattern?

    It goes on and on, Rosenstein becomes Asst. Attorney General, Comey gets fired based upon a letter by Rosenstein, Comey leaks government information to the press, Mueller is assigned to the Russian Investigation sham by Rosenstein to provide cover for decades of malfeasance within the FBI and DOJ and the story continues.

    FISA Abuse, political espionage….. pick a crime, any crime, chances are…… this group and a few others did it:

    All the same players.

    All compromised and conflicted.

    All working fervently to NOT go to jail themselves

    All connected in one way or another to the Clinton’s.

    They are like battery acid; they corrode and corrupt everything they touch. How many lives have these two destroyed?

    As of this writing, the Clinton Foundation, in its 20+ years of operation of being the largest International Charity Fraud in the history of mankind, has never been audited by the Internal Revenue Service.

    Let us not forget that Comey’s brother works for DLA Piper, the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation’s taxes.

    The person that is the common denominator to all the crimes above and still doing her evil escape legal maneuvers at the top of the 3 Letter USA Agencies?

    Yep, that would be Hillary R. Clinton.

    Now who is LISA BARSOOMIAN? Let’s learn a little about Mrs. Lisa H. Barsoomian’s background.

    Lisa H. Barsoomian, an Attorney that graduated from Georgetown Law, is a protégé of James Comey and Robert Mueller.

    Barsoomian, with her boss R. Craig Lawrence, represented Bill Clinton in 1998.

    Lawrence also represented:

    Robert Mueller three times;

    James Comey five times;

    Barack Obama 45 times;

    Kathleen Sebelius 56 times;

    Bill Clinton 40 times; and

    Hillary Clinton 17 times.

    Between 1998 and 2017, Barsoomian herself represented the FBI at least five times.

    You may be saying to yourself, OK, who cares? Who cares about the work history of this Barsoomian woman?

    Apparently, someone does, because someone out there cares so much that they’ve “purged” all Barsoomian court documents for her Clinton representation in Hamburg vs. Clinton in 1998 and its appeal in 1999 from the DC District and Appeals Court dockets (?). Someone out there cares so much that even the internet has been “purged” of all information pertaining to Barsoomian.

    Historically, this indicates that the individual is a protected CIA operative. Additionally, Lisa Barsoomian has specialized in opposing Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the intelligence community. Although Barsoomian has been involved in hundreds of cases representing the DC Office of the US Attorney, her email address is Lisa Barsoomian at NIH.gov. The NIH stands for National Institutes of Health. This is a tactic routinely used by the CIA to protect an operative by using another government organization to shield their activities.

    It’s a cover, so big deal right? What does one more attorney with ties to the US intelligence community really matter?

    It deals with Trump and his recent tariffs on Chinese steel and aluminum imports, the border wall, DACA, everything coming out of California, the Uni-party unrelenting opposition to President Trump, the Clapper leaks, the Comey leaks, Attorney General Jeff Sessions recusal and subsequent 14 month nap with occasional forays into the marijuana legalization mix …. and last but not least Mueller’s never-ending investigation into collusion between the Trump team and-the Russians.

    Why does Barsoomian, CIA operative, merit any mention?

    BECAUSE….

    She is Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s WIFE!

  35. classical_hero

    threadreaderapp.com/thread/1032110818077233152.html

    Basically it’s a nothing burger the charges against Cohen and have nothing to do with President Trump. The most that could happen is a fine like what happened to President Obama in 2008.

  36. Felix Kruell

    Interesting how many people are happy to excuse a president who has not only slept around, but then lied (repeatedly) about the payoff.

    Campaign finance law aside, is that a standard we now accept?

  37. Confused Old Misfit

    Baa Humbug
    #2796529, posted on August 22, 2018 at 6:15 pm
    And what, one asks, is that little weasel Sessions doing about all that?

  38. Confused Old Misfit

    Campaign finance law aside, is that a standard we now accept?

    Don’t know about you but the Americans have been conned in to accepting it ever since John Francis Kennedy.

  39. Oh come on

    I am actually a little worried this time. m0nty!!! hasn’t stopped by to gloat. He has thus far proven a flawless counterindicator of Trump’s political fortunes.

  40. The trial of Manafort, who chaired Donald Trump’s campaign in mid-2016 when Trump was selected as the Republican presidential nominee, never dealt with possible collusion between the campaign team and Russia or efforts to obstruct justice that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating.

    There will be at least one more Manafort trial which is squarely focused on the Russian connections. This talking point of yours won’t last long.

  41. Confused Old Misfit
    #2796678, posted on August 22, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    Baa Humbug
    #2796529, posted on August 22, 2018 at 6:15 pm
    And what, one asks, is that little weasel Sessions doing about all that?

    I’m hoping the sealed 40,000+ indictments have something to do with that plus the 2 plane loads of documents removed from some offices in Little Rock Arkansas (Clinton nest) just last week may result in some perp walks.
    These things take time.

  42. Before I add my own comment, you are advised (urged) to look at this post at Reddit: Connecting some dots. You are guaranteed not to read it in the papers.

    That is because that subreddit is one of the homes of the entirely discredited QAnon movement. I tipped this, it was inevitable that Steve would get sucked in by the Q con. This is the quality of Cat front-pagers these days, tinfoil hat fools blathering about insane conspiracy theories fed to them by grifters.

  43. Snoopy

    That is because that subreddit is one of the homes of the entirely discredited QAnon movement. I tipped this, it was inevitable that Steve would get sucked in by the Q con. This is the quality of Cat front-pagers these days, tinfoil hat fools blathering about insane conspiracy theories fed to them by grifters.

    We’d all be much obliged if you tear it apart. Knock yourself out. Don’t forget verifiable links.

  44. Empire 5:5

    That is because that subreddit is one of the homes of the entirely discredited QAnon movement. I tipped this, it was inevitable that Steve would get sucked in by the Q con. This is the quality of Cat front-pagers these days, tinfoil hat fools blathering about insane conspiracy theories fed to them by grifters.

    The facts presented are correct. The narrative is 100% accurate. Your attempt at deflection is pitiful.

    BTW, what is this conspiracy you speak of?

  45. Empire 5:5

    Felix Kruell
    #2796652, posted on August 22, 2018 at 7:19 pm
    Interesting how many people are happy to excuse a president who has not only slept around, but then lied (repeatedly) about the payoff

    Where’s your evidence?

    You don’t have any. You just made it up because you suffer from TDS.

    Sad.

  46. Oh come on

    Thanks m0nty!!!. I feel so much better now.

  47. Steve, are you saying you believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory?

    Not even relevant. Q could be anything, or nothing. Even as a LARP, only the content means anything. People I follow on Twitter predict as much without knowing anything confidential or sensitive.

    Remember though that the left hate Q because he or she or whatever is a patriot or makes patriotic overtones, and encourages 8Chan autists to dig the Twitter history of Hollywood p3dos.

    What’s not to like?

  48. Oh come on

    Seriously. I posted at 8.17pm, expressing my concern that m0nty!!! hadn’t come in to gloat and m0nty!!! posted his gloat at 8.18pm.

  49. Leo G

    There was literally no evidence against Cohen or Trump.
    He just plead guilty and gave Mueller’s team a free pass.

    Mueller’s specialty is fabricating conspiracy cases. He has been targeting any weak links in Trump’s network with lawfaring to gain multiple admissions of guilt, slipping in charges that could be used to imply Trump is a co-conspirator.
    In the long run Trump is in deep trouble. Mueller is not incompetent as many have suggested from the outcome of his past cases. I suggest that he is an empowered psychopath on a mission- and he has a deep base of institutional support.

  50. There will be at least one more Manafort trial which is squarely focused on the Russian connections. This talking point of yours won’t last long.

    TRUMP IS IN THE CLEAR!!!

    I had my doubts until Muttley came to the rescue and insisted Trump was in cahoots with the Russians.

    Thank you, Muttley.

  51. We’d all be much obliged if you tear it apart. Knock yourself out. Don’t forget verifiable links.

    Snoop, you were obviously having a nap and missed the last OT where Stimpy and I went over this stuff. This is the main source but there’s also this Twitter thread and linked email exchange providing one possible backstory.

    In short:
    – If you believe Furber (one of the three main QAnon spruikers), there was a real Q but he has since been replaced by hackers.
    – If you believe the NBC reporter there was never a Q, Furber and his mates cooked it up.
    – Either way, the QAnon thing is now completely fake.

    Furber’s twitter feed suggests he is almost completely insane.

  52. Felix Kruell

    Empire:

    The evidence?

    Trump himself stated he didn’t pay her. Trump himself then stated he did pay her. Pretty obvious lie. They can’t both be true.

    As for the sleeping around, we can either believe he paid her to go away (having never met her), or believe he payed her because he slept with her. Given Trump has a long history of not paying people he actually received services from, I struggle to believe he paid her without receiving any services. But yes, it’s all a bit circumstantial.

  53. In the long run Trump is in deep trouble.

    The wolves are circling, but not the ones you think.

    Trump has been closing the gaps, playing the idiot, putting the pieces in position, yet all the time pleasing for things he’s already put into play. This explains the ranting from the left, as the noose tightens.

    If the drops ever happen as proclaimed, it will be epic.

    We’ll see soon enough. Or not.

  54. As for the sleeping around, we can either believe he paid her to go away (having never met her), or believe he payed her because he slept with her. Given Trump has a long history of not paying people he actually received services from, I struggle to believe he paid her without receiving any services. But yes, it’s all a bit circumstantial.

    And yet it matters nought.

    Unless it breaks campaign finance law, it is irrelevant. And even then, it’s a technicality, to get a conviction by any means.

  55. Oh come on

    Let’s assume this is a sort of big deal. It isn’t looking good for the GOP to hold the HoR anyway. Let them impeach Trump over this petty shit and bank a second term in 2020.

    The Dems are going nuts, with or without Mueller. Let them go even nuttier. Ocasio-Cortez 2020!! No, she’s way too establishment. Eyes not nearly crazy enough. ‘Parkland survivor’, Ivy League wannabe and chinless wonder David Hogg 2020!!

  56. Oh come on

    m0nty
    #2796986, posted on August 22, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    You are keeping up with that shit in disturbing detail, m0nty!!!. Normal people don’t have a clue about it. You apparently know more about the conspiracy than many of the conspirators themselves.

    Sad. (No, really. It is.)

  57. Empire 5:5

    In short:
    – If you believe Furber (one of the three main QAnon spruikers), there was a real Q but he has since been replaced by hackers.
    – If you believe the NBC reporter there was never a Q, Furber and his mates cooked it up.
    – Either way, the QAnon thing is now completely fake.

    ROFL.

    This is 2018. How could you possibly be so gullible as to believe a fantasy concocted by a twitter famefag and NBC?

  58. How could you possibly be so gullible as to believe a fantasy concocted by a twitter famefag

    Quite.

  59. Felix Kruell

    Beer:

    Unless it breaks campaign finance law, it is irrelevant.

    Only if you consider unethical/immoral (yet legal) behaviour by the president to be acceptable. That was my point.

  60. Snoopy

    Snoop, you were obviously having a nap and missed the last OT where Stimpy and I went over this stuff. This is the main source but there’s also this Twitter thread and linked email exchange providing one possible backstory.

    Don’t be obtuse, Monty. I asked you to show where that Reddit thread contained falsehoods.

  61. Snoopy

    Take it in small steps, Monty, starting here. Is Lisa Barsoomian Rod Rosenstein’s wife? Yes or No.

  62. Oh come on

    m0nty
    #2797055, posted on August 22, 2018 at 10:57 pm

    Why do you know so much about this weird shit? Really sad.

    m0nts is making a very strong pitch for the role long vacated by srr as Cat Conspiracy Crank.

    m0nts, I think you’ve got the job!

  63. Don’t be obtuse, Monty. I asked you to show where that Reddit thread contained falsehoods.

    It’s a bog-standard conspiracy theory, Snoop. The product of a fevered mind spending too much time tying string between pins on a cork board. Classic textbook paranoia.

    You could think up an extremely similar theory which would “prove” that Eddie McGuire is the secret megalomaniac dictator of Australia. Wouldn’t make it correct.

  64. Snoopy

    You can’t fault any of it, can you?

  65. Infidel Tiger

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    If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don’t retain the services of Michael Cohen!

    He sounds very worried.

  66. Infidel Tiger

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    I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” – make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!

    Free Paul Manafort.

  67. You can’t fault any of it, can you?

    If you assemble newspaper clippings of various sizes so that they form the shape of a cat, you haven’t suddenly got a cat.

  68. Snoopy

    It was a simple request, but it clearly proved you are full of shit. You have no basis for dismissing the links.

  69. It was a simple request, but it clearly proved you are full of shit. You have no basis for dismissing the links.

    I am not dismissing facts. I am dismissing the picture drawn by the dot-connections. You might as well try to plot a course to the Moon in a rocket ship by engaging in astrology.

  70. Oh come on

    It’s a bog-standard conspiracy theory, Snoop. The product of a fevered mind spending too much time tying string between pins on a cork board. Classic textbook paranoia.

    I think this is probably true. I know this conspiracy theory exists. I know its name. That’s all I know. It is, after all, “bog-standard…classic textbook [classic textbook? Dude. For an alleged pro, you are a shit writer.] paranoia”. Despite the fact it’s a pretty pedestrian conspiracy theory, you still know its workings in exquisite detail.

    Stimpy really drew you out, didn’t he. Crazy like a fox.

  71. The list of things you don’t know is about equivalent to the list of things, OCO.

  72. Oh come on

    Uh huh. Yes, I don’t know much at all about your weird obsession, m0nts. Happy to announce that to the world.

  73. Oh come on

    Nobody: if you want to know about the intricacies of the QAnon conspiracy theory, go straight to m0nty. He has *all* of the details, for some bizarre reason. He’s fully across it, he really is. He’s very, very interested in it.

  74. P

    m0nts is making a very strong pitch for the role long vacated by srr as Cat Conspiracy Crank.

    https://twitter.com/srrohohyes/status/1023478338503884801

  75. Oh come on

    LOL thanks P. I’m glad I’m occupying srr’s thoughts every now and again. And you went to the trouble of dredging up a tweet from July! How kind.

  76. Yohan

    It’s a bog-standard conspiracy theory, Snoop. The product of a fevered mind spending too much time tying string between pins on a cork board. Classic textbook paranoia.

    Monty you just described the Russia collusion mania.
    e.g Carter Page gives talk at Russian university = meeting to swing election. Trump sold apartment at top of housing bubble to a Russian = quid pro quo to be paid back 8 years later by being the Manchurian candidate.

    This is what the mainstream media is pushing and you support their lies every step of the way.

  77. We shall see, Yohan, Maybe Mueller has nothing and he will wrap it all up by Halloween.

    I doubt it.

  78. Yohan

    Interesting how many people are happy to excuse a president who has not only slept around, but then lied (repeatedly) about the payoff.

    Campaign finance law aside, is that a standard we now accept?

    Yes Felix. We go into battle with the weapons we have. Would you prefer the US right were gallant losers and hand the presidency to Hillary because muh values? Give her 2 supreme court picks because muh values?

    This is the attitude of loser Cuckservatism Inc. They don’t realise they are in a total war with the left who will destroy them once they regain power.

  79. .

    Q Anon? I guess JFK Jnr is coming back and Trudeau is under arrest for trying to assassinate Trump?

  80. Yohan

    We shall see, Yohan, Maybe Mueller has nothing and he will wrap it all up by Halloween.

    I doubt it.

    I think Mueller has nothing on the Russia stuff, but will soon move to Trump business and finances and the special counsel will continue well into next year.

  81. Malcolm Thomas

    Kates, your willingness to link to other nutters and conspiracy theorists just shows your own desperation. You are a joke.

  82. classical_hero

    http://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/why-donald-trump-is-not-named-in-michael-cohen-indictment.html

    President Trump’s former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen made a startling admission in New York federal court on Tuesday.
    At the direction of a “federal candidate,” Cohen said, he facilitated payments on two occasions to two women in order to keep information from the public for the purposes of winning an election.
    According to experts, Cohen may have been told that he was not allowed to use the president’s name because Trump is not a defendant in the case.

    Basically Trump is not a defendant in this case in spite of attempts to paint it that way. The Manafort case is about dealings not related to the campaign. It must be hard for the left to get so close yet so far away from implicating Trump. Nothing to see here regarding President Trump.

  83. NuThink

    If you ask your lawyer to do something like pay someone off, that lawyer should advise you whether or not it is illegal. If illegal that lawyer should refuse to do it. It is normal to employ the services of a lawyer as they are supposed to know the law and advise you accordingly. Simples.

  84. Empire 5:5

    Hubris and ignorance are always a dangerous combination.

    Now one last time for Monty and a various other numpties upthread who have outed themselves, provide rebuttal with links to the facts claimed in the reddit post Kates cited.

    Good luck sheeple. I’ll be back to observe your nothingness at 1700.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/will-botched-coast-guard-contract-come-back-bite-james-comey/

  85. Empire 5:5

    Q Anon? I guess JFK Jnr is coming back and Trudeau is under arrest for trying to assassinate Trump?

    I think you might be a conspiracy theorist, Dot. These three things are not connected.

  86. OlsOzzie

    From The New Yotk Sun and RCP

    The Effort to Overturn the 2016 Presidential Election

    What needs to be kept in mind at every stage is that this whole investigation is not about Russian meddling. Everyone agrees that they did it and it was wrong. No one needs a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of that. This is part of an effort by the Democrats and their collaborators to overturn a presidential election that they thought they would win. No crime of which either man was pronounced guilty today is as foul as the campaign underway to foil the decision of the American people.

  87. Felix Kruell

    Yohan:

    Yes Felix. We go into battle with the weapons we have.

    These weren’t the only weapons available. Amd winning the war is more important than winning the battle.

  88. Empire 5:5

    This may be the second best movie of the year *

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/lanny-davis-admits-cohen-has-no-evidence-trump-directed-him-to-pay-stormy-it-may-come-down-to-cohens-word-versus-trumps/

    * I’m offering moral support to Death Giraffe for his excellent shed cleaning vid.

  89. Empire 5:5

    Here’s the Cohen rap sheet.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4779489/Cohen-Information.pdf

    Note that Trump is not mentioned, but is clearly Individual-1.

    Attorney-1 would appear to be Avenetti. Woman-2 is Daniels.

    The person alleged to have ordered the payment is identified as Chairman-1.

    Who is Chairman-1 and what is Corporation-1?

  90. Empire 5:5

    As predicted, truth trumps conspiracy.

  91. Only if you consider unethical/immoral (yet legal) behaviour by the president to be acceptable. That was my point.

    That ship sailed when the left gave a gold played free pass to Clinton to use cigars on interns in ways that few wives would approve.

  92. I am not dismissing facts. I am dismissing the picture drawn by the dot-connections. You might as well try to plot a course to the Moon in a rocket ship by engaging in astrology.

    Well Muttley, seeing as you’re doing maths, let’s look at Maths.

    What the probability of those that are demonstrable facts being unrelated? Yes, it needs careful validation of each point as to whether each can be considered facts to a very high degree.

    Run away, or accept the challenge, and we’ll go through each one by one, shall we?

    There could even be a steak in it. Or are you chicken? 😁

  93. Note that Trump is not mentioned, but is clearly Individual-1.

    Attorney-1 would appear to be Avenetti. Woman-2 is Daniels.

    The person alleged to have ordered the payment is identified as Chairman-1.

    Who is Chairman-1 and what is Corporation-1?

    Not relevant unless campaign finance law was broken, and the judge has already stated the law is to be considered in the strict sense, not the Democrats’ convenient was-a-pencil-not-declared broad-as-the-universe basis.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    We shall see, Yohan, Maybe Mueller has nothing and he will wrap it all up by Halloween.

    They are out to set as many perjury traps as possible, this is open warfare by the left and should have fire returned with the same mercy they are showing towards Trump’s people, ie none. Lock em up!

  95. Empire 5:5

    Not relevant unless campaign finance law was broken, and the judge has already stated the law is to be considered in the strict sense, not the Democrats’ convenient was-a-pencil-not-declared broad-as-the-universe basis.

    Not relevant to POTUS, but odd. Something doesn’t fit.

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