Open Forum: August 25, 2018

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  1. lotocoti

    there aren’t enough statues of women about the place

    Dorothie Feilding would’ve been enstatuated if she spent more time writing turgid doggerel and less time getting stuck in.

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’ll have a bit first.

    Is this a pun? How do you soften it up for chewing?

  3. OldOzzie

    Piers Akerman: Malcolm Turnbull has left the Liberal Party in ruins

    THANKS for nothing, Malcolm. You have left the Liberal Party a smoking ruin, the nation weary and despairing and your candidate Scott Morrison a tainted Prime Minister.

    Tainted by your association with him and by your rancid engagement in a truly foul dirty tricks campaign during the past week which stalled the leadership ballot and questioned the integrity of every Liberal MP.

    Well done. If a saboteur had been commissioned to destroy the Liberal Party, a better plan to wreck it and thwart its electoral chances could not have been devised. But deviousness is in your DNA. Maybe that’s why you chose the Bar as a career, where weasel words and straw men and false arguments can win admiration from some seeking to sail close to the legal winds.

    Like a few others who believed you may have been able to make a greater contribution to parliament than Peter King, the suburban barrister you undermined to win preselection for the seat of Wentworth and ease your way to Canberra 14 years ago, I have apologised for gross misjudgment.

    Your victory over King saw the Liberal vote fall by 10 per cent in Wentworth, making it a marginal seat. You then made a political career of tearing down colleagues who never stooped to the tactics you relied on.

    Brendan Nelson, who took on the challenging task of leading the party after the 2007 electoral loss and performed admirably as opposition leader, has shone in his role as head of the War Memorial. You gave him a year as leader and tore him down. Let’s hope no one ever thinks you should be given an opportunity to refashion yourself in future.

    Tony Abbott didn’t brief against you when he stood against you for the opposition leadership after you had sold out your party to Kevin Rudd’s lunatic obsession about global warming. He didn’t have the time or the inclination because that’s not his nature.

    Joe Hockey was to be your challenger a week but he went to water and Abbott stepped up though you bragged he didn’t have the numbers.

    He won by a vote on December 1, 2009, but you thought you’d had enough and told your electorate you were quitting on April 6, 2010, only to reconsider after a discussion with John Howard, and withdraw that decision on May 1.

    Abbott had you in his shadow ministry and gave you a ministry when he lead the Liberals to victory in 2013. You worked tirelessly to white-ant his leadership, succeeding on September 15, 2015. You didn’t offer Abbott any position in your government nor did you put forward any policy.

    All you were after was the prime ministership and you didn’t know what to do when you got it.

    At the 2016 election you lost seats. Homosexual marriage was not a vote winner with the Liberal base nor was the attack on superannuation but you hung on with a one-seat majority, vacillating on policy, trailing your Labor-lite policies before the luvvies who watch Q&A and neglecting those who choked back their dislike for you and remained loyal to the party.

    You rewarded their loyalty by effectively strapping on a suicide vest last week and virtually threatening to trigger your own and the Coalition government’s political deaths unless you were permitted to remain in office or nominate your successor.

    Malcolm, you have been disloyal to those who gave you the most loyalty, to the end.

    Even for you, it was a disgraceful performance, an act which displayed more than breathtaking arrogance and showed absolute disdain for the voters who remained faithful to the cause.

    To the bitter end, you have been without doubt the most venal, most shallow and most ineffectual prime minister in the history of the Liberal Party. Single-handedly (though you might like to pay your usual florid tribute to the contribution your wife Lucy has made to your political decisions), you have destroyed the party’s base, you have perverted its principles, and in NSW you have thwarted attempts to introduce democratic reforms into the local division.

    Yet, in your moment before the microphones, you claimed to be the victim of bullies. This was an outrageously ludicrous claim at any time but when made by an individual threatening to blow up a party and a government, it is a sordid act by a man who promised to deliver certainty and delivered nothing but instability.

    One example of the gulf between you and John Howard whom you laughably claimed as your mentor remains with me. Twice I have been a guest at NSW Liberal Party functions held in the Great Hall at Sydney University. The first was when Howard was prime minister. He made an excellent speech about the traditions of the party while thanking those who had given so much for their time to the cause. After a lengthy evening with the party faithful, the not-so-young men and women who run the sausage sizzles and man (no disrespect intended to the hardy women who were devoted to their party) the voting booths, Howard refused to leave until he had personally seen everyone safely into a taxi. In pre-Uber days, getting a taxi to enter the dark and tangled roads of Sydney Uni to pick up passengers was in itself a challenge.

    On the second occasion, when you were prime minister, you talked about yourself. You highlighted the fact that you had been a student at the university, you had sat in the hall, you talked of the motto inscribed above the dining hall and patronisingly translated the Latin Sidere mens eadem mutato as “the stars change, the mind remains the same” but it was all about you.

    Then you fled, quickly. Maybe you had somewhere more important to go, more impressive people to be with, maybe you found you didn’t have anything in common with those who represented the backbone of the party.

    I found myself talking to one of the stalwarts who had been helped by Howard to a taxi in years past and the sense of dismay at your approach was palpable.

    Malcolm, you have been disloyal to those who gave you the most loyalty, to the end. Morrison and Josh Frydenberg may pay for their loyalty to you unless they distance themselves now from your reeking legacy.

  4. Aussieute

    Eyrie
    #2801390, posted on August 25, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future.

  5. calli

    Funny, lotocoti. As you were posting, I thought of this woman.

    Patriotism is not enough.

  6. calli

    And a worthy link for a page podium. 🙂

  7. Vicki

    ScoMo is on Australia All Over with Macca.
    No new votes there but far more savvy than Turnbull.

    No doubt part of his first priority being assisting rural Australia deal with drought conditions.

  8. calli

    Well done. If a saboteur had been commissioned to destroy the Liberal Party, a better plan to wreck it and thwart its electoral chances could not have been devised. But deviousness is in your DNA.

    I have a different view to Piers.

    Mission accomplished!

  9. LNP insider

    Couple on interesting whisperings.

    The Nats expect to be given back what they term their trade portfolio… you msy also see Scullion head to the backbench to enable a promotion of possibly Chester or Gillespie.

    Laundy and Bishop almost certainly going to the backbench voluntarily. Payne might go too, but more likely as shift to something like social services or human services. They want to ditch Birmingham too but the South Australian thing may save him – don’t be surprised if dripping wet Ruston comes in to replace him if he goes.

    I hear a Victorian will get education to help sort out the Catholic issue.

    You may be celebrating the removal of so many moderates, but beware the Morrison allies get most of the pomotions Hawke Roberts plus some of the moderate Turnbullites like Fletcher Ruston. That said I believe we may see both Taylor and Tudge go into cabinet.

    Also Sussan Ley could well be back and Karen Andrews promoted, plus Morton Wilson into the parliamentary secretary roles.

    The inside cabinet moves could be very interesting. Watch Fifield and Ciobo. Also Cash most likely would be dropped.

  10. OldOzzie

    Turnbull’s toxic reign is over. Now dump his policies
    PETA CREDLIN

    IT was about this time, 10 years ago, that Malcolm Turnbull was first elected leader of the federal parliamentary Liberal Party.

    It was 2008 and they had not even managed to stay united for 12 months following Kevin Rudd’s victory; three leaders in 10 months was a portent of the decade of instability and treachery to come. Brendan Nelson had the misfortune to beat Turnbull in the leadership ballot straight after John Howard’s defeat and that sealed his fate because, as the former prime minister showed the country this week, no one in political life is a better hater than Malcolm Turnbull.

    This might seem like history to some, but it was not forgotten by Warren Entsch, a likely supporter of Turnbull during his time in office, especially over the issue of same-sex marriage but if you look carefully at the petition of 43 names demanded by Turnbull before he would call a party room meeting, written against Entsch’s signature are the words “for Brendan Nelson”.

    For the once proud party of Menzies, the Turnbull years have been toxic. The ultimate carpetbagger who offered himself to Labor before standing as a Liberal, the 29th prime minister of Australia will be remembered as The Hollowman. I’ve said before that he’s the

    Liberal Party’s Rudd; an embittered, vengeful, narcissistic, highly intelligent, damaged, charismatic man with a tin-ear for politics, a disdain for the ordinary voter and an inviolable belief that the top job was his birthright. But even I was taken aback at his conduct this week as he tried to stave off his colleagues and hold on to the office of prime minister, because Australia, this has never been about you. It has always been about him.

    On air this week I said that I had never been more saddened to be associated with the parliamentary Liberal Party as I was on Thursday when Turnbull up-ended years of precedent by refusing to call a party room meeting without a majority of MPs declaring their hand. It was farcical. His predecessor called a meeting on the back of two members signing a letter in February 2015, yet Turnbull wanted names so he could bully and threaten before the ballot and thus defile the right of MPs to a secret ballot. He said names would be private, but they were leaked to the media almost immediately. Yet this was bettered, on the Turnbull bastardry scale, by referring his challenger to the Solicitor-General over claims of a section 44 breach regarding Peter Dutton’s family ownership of child care centres. It’s the stuff of dictators and puppet regimes to rewrite the rules and use the machinery of the state against opponents, but everything was a weapon for Turnbull. There’s claims the public service cut off phones and computers to ministers that were against him, in order to cripple their ability to canvass support.

    Of course, this was nothing compared with reports yesterday that Turnbull tried to drag the Governor-General into his war-games to ensure, even if Dutton was elected, the GG might question his ability to command a majority on the floor of the parliament, and thus risk a constitutional crisis. If only half of what’s alleged is true, and Turnbull admitted to being in regular contact with Yarralumla, it makes a more powerful case against a Turnbull republic than even the best constitutional monarchist could mount because the Crown held firm, a vote was eventually held in the party room, and at 6pm on Friday night, Scott Morrison was sworn in by Sir Peter Cosgrove, as Australia’s 30th Prime Minister.

    I don’t subscribe to the simplistic view that “politics is broken” but the sorry circumstance of both Rudd and Turnbull colliding in public life in the same decade can certainly give that impression. It must be remembered however that neither man was a product of their political party’s traditions nor loyal to them. In his own merchant banker parlance, Turnbull’s time as leader amounted to a hostile takeover of a party that, to its detriment, is vulnerable to having its head turned by slick urbane types from inner-city postcodes when its living breathing soul has always been in the suburbs, and regional towns, of Middle Australia. The acolytes that gathered around Turnbull and stroked his ego, as poll after poll showed they were headed to electoral oblivion, don’t much like, much less understand, the base of the Liberal Party.

    It’s people that run small businesses in country towns, or in outer suburban shopping strips. It’s families. It’s people that aspire to get ahead far more than those who are ahead now. It’s older Australians who have paid taxes all their life and now expect to live with dignity. Their worries are power prices, too much immigration too quickly, the sort of values we want to protect in Australia and reward for effort when they work so hard. But Turnbull, and those like him, despised their ordinariness and never properly comprehended that these are the people that kept him (and Lucy) in power, not mates along Sydney’s waterfront or the wheeler-dealers in the CBD.

    If you ever doubted his audacity, Turnbull’s final media conference where he railed against disloyal insurgents wanting to bring down an elected prime minister was as shameless as it gets from a man who got the top job that way in the first place. Coming out of this torrid time, I hope there’s a fairer assessment of Tony Abbott and his achievements, and an end to mocking supporters of conservatism as deluded, when in fact, they were the ones that saw the emperor had no clothes from the start.

    So where to now?

    Scott Morrison has a big job ahead of him, but he’s up to it. He’s a proven performer as immigration minister (less so as treasurer) with plenty of political nous and is a proud family man of the suburbs. If he keeps his stubborn streak in check, and realises this is his big opportunity to restart the government, not just continue the old one, he’s got a real chance against Labor.

    Critically, there must be policy changes, not merely personnel ones, otherwise it’s the same cliff they’re going over, just with a different driver. But if they can grapple with energy and immigration (and that requires a big backdown from new deputy Josh Frydenberg too), there’s real hope the Liberals can put the Turnbull nightmare behind them.

    Of course, the big question nobody has answered is this: can the party unite?

    For the country’s sake, it must. I don’t think it’s necessarily in Morrison’s nature to be the great healer and he’s been tainted by his predecessor’s machinations that helped him get there but if he resists eulogising for Turnbull, and demonising against Abbott, people will work with him to move on.

    To heal this breach though it will take the broader Liberal Party membership to reassert itself over its parliamentary representatives and remind them that they are there to serve the party, not the other way around. It says everything about the man that in his final press conference, Turnbull never thanked the Liberal Party for the privilege of leading it.

    In the interests of its very salvation, the party and the people who support it must, once again, be greater than any leader.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    Stolen comma and conjunction alert.

  12. Gab

    Thanks, LNP Insider, for your insights. A better description of “shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic” has yet to be found.

  13. OldOzzie

    Future of Wind “Uncertain” After Federal Subsidies Expire

    The U.S. Department of Energy has released its annual Wind Technologies Market Report, which you can access here. I’ve included some highlights from the report below:

    Government mandates, not free markets, are responsible for most wind investment. The introduction of the study notes that wind turbines have become more efficient over the last decade, but much of the growth is the result of federal subsidies and state-level renewable energy mandates:

  14. min

    Posted 7.46 am Michael Smith , only 3000 of 7000 emails examined by Strozk and really damaging ones ignored . More dots

  15. Tom

    I suspect there has been some arse-kicking going on inside the ALPBC about the Sunday morning loony left laughing stock, the Swampfilth Re-Education Hour – now that it’s competing head to head with and losing viewers to Their Sky’s Outsiders and Sky is preparing to go free to air with WIN, which will give regional viewers an alternative to the virtual ABC monopoly in the bush.

    Instead of the usual inner city luvvie echo chamber, today’s edition features News Corp Canberra journo Annika Smedhurst (who has a national newspaper audience Bawwie can only dream about), the West Australian‘s economics editor Shane Wright and Andrew Pwobyn, who fled the West Australian for the easy money of Their ABC.

    I may even tune in to work out the real reason Bawwie has hired Annika and Shane as I haven’t seen her work before, except as a straight news reporter, and know little about Shane. I’m sure WA Cats can fill us in.

  16. calli

    ADS running hot on Seven.

    Sharri Markson (?) opines that Abbott should be given a “prestigious position” and Wright has conniptions. The dumb is strong in that one.

  17. Peter Castieau

    There has been some frantic rewriting of history in the past couple of days following the implosion of Waffleworth.

    David Speers just asked “What caused the spill ” . His guest is Paul Kelly. We are about to be drenched in wrongology

  18. Gab

    “What caused the spill ”

    Abbott, of course. Yes, folks, he is THAT powerful!

  19. Peter Castieau

    Sorry “why is Waffleworth no longer PM”

  20. Peter Castieau

    Right on cue Gab.

    AbbottAbbottAbbott

  21. C.L.

    … only 3000 of 7000 emails examined by Strozk and really damaging ones ignored …

    No.
    Only 3000 of SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND.

  22. Twostix

    David Speers just asked “What caused the spill ” .

    Turnbull got caught by Sky and Bolt secretly working with Labor to give our energy policy to the UN.

  23. Tel

    Scott Morrison has a big job ahead of him, but he’s up to it. He’s a proven performer as immigration minister (less so as treasurer) with plenty of political nous and is a proud family man of the suburbs. If he keeps his stubborn streak in check, and realises this is his big opportunity to restart the government, not just continue the old one, he’s got a real chance against Labor.

    Oh come on Peta, you know better. This is a very obvious continuation of the Turnbull era.

    Morrison has always worked just one step behind Turnbull right the way through. The unicorn style wishful thinking hasn’t been helpful so far, so yes “the Turnbull years have been toxic” but this toxic politics is far from over. If Morrison loses the next election. then Turnbull will immediately claim he could have won it and demand to be leader again. If Morrison somehow wins that election, he will be facing white-anting and leaks until he hands power back to Turnbull.

    I’ve told you all many time, you won’t get rid of this guy. He’s in it for the long haul.

  24. Leigh Lowe

    Abbott won’t get a ministry.
    I reckon he will lose pre-selection due to a (cough) “sudden upsurge in memberships of Liberal branches in Warringah.”

  25. Farmer Gez

    ScoMo did well with Macca.
    Lots of matey mate stuff but he sounds genuine when he does it.
    Wafflesworth now seems like an old episode of Downton Abbey.

  26. OldOzzie

    A fascinating read -where Europe is heading

    Macron’s Partition of France?

    The first legislative rider abolished the obligation of religious associations to declare themselves as lobbying groups — a measure that clearly opens the way for entities such as the Muslim Brotherhood to lobby Members of Parliament without leaving a trace.

    Is it, however, the business of the secular State of France to organize Muslims and train “republican” imams?

    The tradition in France ever since the 1905 secularism law — one accepted by all religions except Islam — is that religion may not to impose its rules on secular society. Now it is France that must adapt to Islam.

    The big question is: Who will be heading and managing this new framework? Will it be the Muslim Brotherhood, the most powerful organization, which controls more than 2,000 mosques in France? Or a young guard of Muslim technocrats close to the president but with no ties to mosques, imams and the organized Muslim community in general?

    However this from the Article takes the cake

    Is it, however, the business of the secular State of France to organize Muslims and train “republican” imams? No, not even slightly. Is it a problem that two-thirds of the imams serving in France are not fluent in French? Can Islamist imams be trained the “republican” way? Yes, but for what result? The imam of Brest, in Brittany, became famous because he was filmed explaining to children that music could transform a listener into a pig or a monkey, and he filmed himself drinking camel urine; it is written in a Hadith that camel urine is good as medicine. In 2017, the same imam of Brest was graduated, “referent-secularity” – meaning, an Islamist informed about what is secularism but with no obligation to respect it — from the University of Rennes in Brittany.

  27. calli

    Abbott for GG!

    *laughs evilly*

  28. rickw

    No doubt part of his first priority being assisting rural Australia deal with drought conditions.

    In a brand new set of moleskins and an akubra hat, such is Australian politics.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    There has been some frantic rewriting of history in the past couple of days following the implosion of Waffleworth.

    David Speers just asked “What caused the spill ” . 

    The Waffleworth party line …
    The 2018 “coup” was caused by insurgents and leakers bullying the dumbarses who were previously loyal to My Greatness.
    The 2015 spill was a groundswell of concerned members who drafted a previously ambivalent Tumble to rescue the party from a dangerous right-wing idealogue.

  30. calli

    Turnbull got caught by Sky and Bolt secretly working with Labor to give our energy policy to the UN.

    I’m putting that into the quiver ready for tomorrow’s Stitch ‘n Bitch. Boom!

  31. calli

    Oh my goodness. Seven has an “expert” on starting your own business. Top of the list of “businesses”:

    Grow and sell plants

    Absolutely no idea at all of how difficult this is. She’s using the “weekend market” model, in other words cashie dependant. So not a “business” at all, just a handout supplement. In addition, most of the market people buy their stock from wholesalers and mark up slightly less than Bunnings.

  32. OldOzzie

    Meanwhile In The Next Venezuela

    The essence of the new Mining Charter:

    Ownership

    A new mining right must have a minimum of 30% Black Persons’ shareholding, with the 30% shareholding to be apportioned between employees, communities and entrepreneurs in a specific manner
    A minimum 8% shareholding is allocated to mine communities, to be held through a trust
    A minimum 14% shareholding must be to black entrepreneurs

    Annual Turnover

    Holder of a mining rights must pay 1% of its annual turnover to the 30% black persons’ shareholding prior to, and over and above any distributions made by a Holder to its shareholders

    This 1% payment is always subject to the solvency and liquidity test as provided for in the Companies Act but is not negotiable under any other terms.

    Procurement

    The Charter requires 70% procurement of mining goods and 80% procurement of services from BEE entities (Black empowered entities); it also requires that analysis of 100% of mineral samples be done by South African based companies. This is mandatory and in place no matter how incompetent or expensive these protected companies services may be.

    Employment Equity

    At board level, a minimum of 50% black representation, 25% of which must be both female and black.
    At executive/top management level, a minimum of 50% black representation, 25% of which must be both female and black
    At senior management level, a minimum of 60% black representation, 30% of which must be both female and black
    At middle management level, a minimum of 75% black representation, 38% of which must be both female and black
    At junior management level, a minimum of 88% black representation, 44% of which must be both female and black

    Human Resource Development

    A holder must invest 5% of the leviable amount on essential skills development.

    Now, wouldn’t you, being the CEO of that mining company, be inclined to think:

    Bugger that, it’s all way too hard and just not economically viable!

    In any event, why should I have to pay away 30% of what I invest in South Africa to someone who never lifted a finger to earn that money? And what guarantee is there I don’t have to pay more away in a few years from now? After all, they keep changing this mining charter each year and it just gets exponentially worse with each passing year.

    Also, where am I going to get qualified people from, and what do I have to pay for them, to fit the “Employment Equity” requirements? I’m way better off investing more capital in Australia, Indonesia, South America, Canada, or even the rest of Africa!

  33. John Constantine

    Economically, if twenty percent of production is cut, usually that results in a greater than twenty percent drop in profit.

    Their turnbullites have been unswerving in their commitment to dumping Australia’s irrigation water out to sea unused.

    Imagine the value in grazing and grain and fodder that the turnbullites could have grown with the water they sacrificed to their gods of nihilism and annihilation.

    Comrades.

  34. LNP insider

    Abbott preselection is safe. The real issue is the succession. The moderates and centre right will try to shift someone in there (Mike Baird possibly). Just like they did when Bishop retired mect door.

  35. Twostix

    I shouldn’t say ‘caught’ everyone in Canberra knew including the press gallery. There was a deliberate momentary feet dragging to report it brcause the bugmen class all wanted the lehislation to sneak through. Sky and Bolt merely broke the blackout and let liberal back benchers know what was happening.

    That’s why they were attacked as class traitors.

  36. areff

    Abbott won’t get a ministry.

    Given Morrison’s ties to Photios, and Photios’ pockets being lined by wind farmers and solar scammers, a politician who wants a return to a sane energy market will never, ever be invited.

    Of course the smartest thing Morrison could do to close the rift and re-attract the AWOL base would be to embrace Abbott.

    That would be smart. But he’s a Liberal. So it won’t happen.

  37. Baldrick

    ScoMo did well with Macca.
    Lots of matey mate stuff but he sounds genuine when he does it.
    Wafflesworth now seems like an old episode of Downton Abbey.

    SloMo’s already talking to the wrong audience. Agrarian Socialists never vote Liberal.
    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  38. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #2801693, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:46 am

    Oh my goodness. Seven has an “expert” on starting your own business. Top of the list of “businesses”:

    Grow and sell plants

    Phht.
    That’s small beer compared to the usual “get paid to do online surveys and product reviews.”
    Brane ded.

  39. Tel

    Agrarian Socialists never vote Liberal. Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

    They will vote one of Nationals, Bob Katter, or Pea Hon. The Liberals won’t win the votes directly but they might sneak in some compromise coalition (which is where they have been for decades).

  40. OldOzzie

    LNP insider
    #2801697, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:50 am

    Abbott preselection is safe. The real issue is the succession. The moderates and centre right will try to shift someone in there (Mike Baird possibly). Just like they did when Bishop retired mect door.

    Mike Baird as my Local State Member was a Waste of Space – His Replacement

    A Liberal boy’s best friend is his Greens mother in Manly race


    Speculation is mounting among party insiders that Mr Baird may weigh in on behalf of James Griffin, the preferred candidate among the (NSW Liberal) party’s dominant Moderate wing. Mr Griffin, whose mother is a local Greens councillor

    Mr Griffin’s mother is a what?! Manly Daily, October 8, 2015:

    Cr Griffin is a member of the Liberal Party and his mother, Cr Cathy Griffin, is a member of The Greens.

    There are fears this Spawn of the Greens could destroy Tony Abbott. The Australian, continued:

    … conservative Liberal sources claiming efforts to install a Moderate are part of a plot to oust Tony Abbott from his federal seat.

    Mr Abbott has done battle with Mother Griffin before. The Daily Telegraph, September 26, 2014:

    More than 200 people gathered at Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s Manly office today as part of a national day of action to fight for the Renewable ­Energy Target … Manly Councillor Cathy Griffin said the event was a ­success.

    “This is the biggest protest I’ve seen outside Tony Abbott’s office,” Ms Griffin said.

    Even Mr Griffin needs to watch out for his mammy. The Daily Telegraph, yesterday:

    Meanwhile, Manly Greens spokeswoman Cathy Griffin, the mother of Liberal hopeful James, said they will be running a candidate.

    But Mama, James loves you, Manly Daily, October 8, 2015:

    Cr James Griffin said he and his mother’s political views sometimes made for interesting discussions.

  41. stackja

    Police injured as Queenscliff pub fight spills onto streets
    Brianna Travers, Herald Sun
    41 minutes ago

    SIX police officers have been injured after a rowdy Queenscliff pub fight spilt onto the streets last night.

    Police were called to the Queenscliff Brewhouse on Gellibrand St to move on drunk customers around 10pm and as they were escorting one man from the pub, two other men assaulted two police officers.

    The man who was escorted from the pub also began to assault police before the three offenders ran off.

    The three men attempted to flee police on foot but were located in a nearby laneway.

    Pub goers flooded the laneway and attempted to hinder police while they were attempted to arrest the men.

    Further police arrived and deployed pepper spray to quell the rowdy crowd.

    Six police officers were injured during the incident — three were taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries and three were treated for minor injuries at the scene.

    Six men were arrested at the scene while another man handed himself in at the Geelong police station a short time later.

    The seven males are being interviewed and are expected to be charged with numerous offences including assault police, resist arrest, hinder police and drunk in a public place.

    The men who have been arrested are: a 20-year-old Point Lonsdale man, a 21-year-old Point Lonsdale man, a 27-year-old Point Lonsdale man, a 36-year-old Queenscliff man and two 21-year-old Queenscliff men.

    The investigation is ongoing and police will be speaking to a number of witnesses.

  42. Baldrick

    They will vote one of Nationals, Bob Katter, or Pea Hon. The Liberals won’t win the votes directly but they might sneak in some compromise coalition (which is where they have been for decades).

    That’s the Mark Textor line and look how successful that’s worked out so far.

  43. Tel

    In any event, why should I have to pay away 30% of what I invest in South Africa to someone who never lifted a finger to earn that money? And what guarantee is there I don’t have to pay more away in a few years from now? After all, they keep changing this mining charter each year and it just gets exponentially worse with each passing year.

    Sounds like the sort of deal that would frighten off Western investors and be attractive to the Chinese. Difference being that Chinese are comfortable working in weak property rights environments (where “ownership” comes from who you have in key positions, unrelated to what’s on the piece of paper) and the Chinese invest partly to make a profit but mostly for strategic reasons (pump the balance of trade, ensure supply of raw materials, etc).

  44. lotocoti

    That’s small beer compared to …

    Not if the “plants” are of the Alt-Pharma variety.

  45. stackja

    Delcons are done, but pitfalls still await Morrison
    MIRANDA DEVINE
    Miranda Devine
    August 26, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    THE Delcons are finished.

    The delusional conservatives who wanted Tony Abbott back on his throne have lost bigly, as Donald Trump would say.

    They helped destroy Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership but they will never see their man back as PM.

    As new Prime Minister Scott Morrison told his party room Friday, after winning the Liberal leadership ballot over Peter Dutton 45-40, a “new generation” is in charge and they are “closing the door” on the Turnbull-Abbott era.

  46. stackja

    Turnbull’s toxic reign is over. Now dump his policies
    PETA CREDLIN
    Peta Credlin
    August 26, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    IT was about this time, 10 years ago, that Malcolm Turnbull was first elected leader of the federal parliamentary Liberal Party.

    It was 2008 and they had not even managed to stay united for 12 months following Kevin Rudd’s victory; three leaders in 10 months was a portent of the decade of instability and treachery to come. Brendan Nelson had the misfortune to beat Turnbull in the leadership ballot straight after John Howard’s defeat and that sealed his fate because, as the former prime minister showed the country this week, no one in political life is a better hater than Malcolm Turnbull.

    This might seem like history to some, but it was not forgotten by Warren Entsch, a likely supporter of Turnbull during his time in office, especially over the issue of same-sex marriage but if you look carefully at the petition of 43 names demanded by Turnbull before he would call a party room meeting, written against Entsch’s signature are the words “for Brendan Nelson”.

  47. egg_

    ScoMo did well with Macca.

    SloMo’s already talking to the wrong audience. Agrarian Socialists never vote Liberal.
    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

    More Pitt St farmers?
    LMFAO!

  48. John Constantine

    South Africa’s New mining laws.

    How will the chicoms react?.

    Second, remember when their bhp, Australia’s Big Stalin, gave half the pilbara iron ore mines and half bass strait oil and half gulf of Mexico oil in exchange for half some coal mines in south Africa?.

    Australia, we have bhp and gillard and Rudd and turnbullites and shorten.

    Poor fella my country.

    Comrades.

  49. LNP insider

    Oldozzie – that state preselection tells you that there is a real risk of a moderate federal MP replacing Abbott.

    The centre right neef to end their Photios deal and work with the conservatives to stop more wet moderates getting in.

  50. candy

    The 2018 “coup” was caused by insurgents and leakers bullying the dumbarses who were previously loyal to My Greatness.

    That’s the baffling part. Why are Speers and his media colleagues speaking in the condescending way about 40 or so ministers saying they are dumb or been bullied. They would have a medium age of 50 surely and been around the traps and be smarter than the average bear. If they wanted to vote Dutton, they would. If not, they would not have.

  51. stackja

    Annika Smethurst: The coup the Liberal Party didn’t have to have
    ANNIKA SMETHURST, The Sunday Telegraph
    August 26, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    Turnbull’s decision to call on a spill earlier than expected was meant to flush out his enemies and solidify his support. Instead it highlighted his unpopularity and spurred on the insurgents.

  52. egg_

    Brendan Nelson had the misfortune to beat Turnbull in the leadership ballot straight after John Howard’s defeat and that sealed his fate because, as the former prime minister showed the country this week, no one in political life is a better hater than Malcolm Turnbull.

    An honourable, decent man of the former first eleven vs a guttersnipe.

  53. Helen

    Well I think Abbott should get Defence or Aboriginal Affsirs. I am glad Scullion is going he has been scurrilous in that position. Example. He gave a loan of big money to a guy from Sydney who identified as ingigenous to start up a business on Katherine that was in direct competition with other local businesses. The mob that give the certificate for indigenous said he was not indigenous. Scullion by some dark art made them suddenly have nothing to say. The was a very good investigative reporter working on it and he said that was the end of the road. They bought some high tech equipment but not the programs to run it. They took long term indigenous employee from local business so that business could no longer compete for contracts (has to be certain percentage of indigenous employees or 52% owned by indigenous to get contracts – something Bess Pricebought in) Mist people just put in a dummy corporation and hired an indigenous director at but that is massively increasing overheads to comply and not many could afford it.

    He is a cocktail politician, great mate while you are on his side or can do something for him but as soon as you ask the hard question, like I did he turns evil. He was up to his neck in knifing Terry Mills. My experience of that debacle and seeing those actions repeated at Federal level just soured the whole idea of politics being to serve the people. No, most are in it for themselves. I pray that Scullion, if stopped, will retire at the next election and go back to fishing.

    Sorry I am on iPhone and fat fingers.

  54. Peter Castieau

    The couch just said that Malcolm and Julie were terrific electoral assets for the Liberal party and to lose them both would be tragic!

    Hahahahahahahahahahauuahahahahhahahaha!

  55. stackja

    Piers Akerman: Malcolm Turnbull has left the Liberal Party in ruins
    PIERS AKERMAN, The Sunday Telegraph
    August 26, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only

    THANKS for nothing, Malcolm. You have left the Liberal Party a smoking ruin, the nation weary and despairing and your candidate Scott Morrison a tainted Prime Minister.

    Tainted by your association with him and by your rancid engagement in a truly foul dirty tricks campaign during the past week which stalled the leadership ballot and questioned the integrity of every Liberal MP.

    Well done. If a saboteur had been commissioned to destroy the Liberal Party, a better plan to wreck it and thwart its electoral chances could not have been devised. But deviousness is in your DNA. Maybe that’s why you chose the Bar as a career, where weasel words and straw men and false arguments can win admiration from some seeking to sail close to the legal winds.

    One example of the gulf between you and John Howard whom you laughably claimed as your mentor remains with me. Twice I have been a guest at NSW Liberal Party functions held in the Great Hall at Sydney University. The first was when Howard was prime minister. He made an excellent speech about the traditions of the party while thanking those who had given so much for their time to the cause. After a lengthy evening with the party faithful, the not-so-young men and women who run the sausage sizzles and man (no disrespect intended to the hardy women who were devoted to their party) the voting booths, Howard refused to leave until he had personally seen everyone safely into a taxi. In pre-Uber days, getting a taxi to enter the dark and tangled roads of Sydney Uni to pick up passengers was in itself a challenge.

    On the second occasion, when you were prime minister, you talked about yourself. You highlighted the fact that you had been a student at the university, you had sat in the hall, you talked of the motto inscribed above the dining hall and patronisingly translated the Latin Sidere mens eadem mutato as “the stars change, the mind remains the same” but it was all about you.

    Then you fled, quickly. Maybe you had somewhere more important to go, more impressive people to be with, maybe you found you didn’t have anything in common with those who represented the backbone of the party.

    I found myself talking to one of the stalwarts who had been helped by Howard to a taxi in years past and the sense of dismay at your approach was palpable.

    Malcolm, you have been disloyal to those who gave you the most loyalty, to the end. Morrison and Josh Frydenberg may pay for their loyalty to you unless they distance themselves now from your reeking legacy.

  56. egg_

    Trumble’s speech replayed on Insiders “this week has been madness”.

    38 negative Newspolls is not your definition of insanity, m’ Lord?

  57. Helen

    Dropped not stopped but probs same thing.

  58. Elle

    Great week in pictures. Thanks Tom.

  59. Senile Old Guy

    Miranda Devine still delusional, I see. For someone who has been so wrong, so often, you would think she might learn. I doubt Morrison will make it to the election.

  60. Elle

    Insiders – Barry Cassidy says Turnbull was popular! With the left – yes.

  61. egg_

    Piers Akerman: Malcolm Turnbull has left the Liberal Party in ruins

    Latho oft referred to KRudd as “ruling the ruins” of the ALP.
    Narcissism 101.

  62. egg_

    Insiders – Barry Cassidy says Turnbull was popular!

    They’re both popular with their mirrors.
    /Ron Burgundy

  63. Elle

    Cassidy is sporting a spectacular tan! That or it is excessive make-up.

  64. Woolfe

    Elle he is using Tan Grants make up artist.

  65. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt:

    The ABC is reporting that Julie Bishop will today announce she is qutting politics.

    Another victory for Team Turnbull! The man who destroyed the LNP.

  66. min

    Delusional Devine , the Delcons are the ones that support the party both financially and as foot soldiers that man the booth etc . Last election Josh ,who is popular in his electorate, did not have enough people to hand out how to vote cards. The million will not return unless policies change

  67. mh

    The media are still crying. ABC keep using the term ‘coup’.

    The ABC didn’t use the term coup when Abbott was removed. But why waste time on them.

    Shut It Down

    Fire Them All

  68. mh

    Cassidy is sporting a spectacular tan! That or it is excessive make-up.

    Leather polish.

  69. Gab

    The ABC is reporting that Julie Bishop will today announce she is qutting politics.

    go. Just go.

  70. egg_

    The ABC is reporting that Julie Bishop will today announce she is qutting politics.

    Yawn.

  71. Marcus

    LNP insider
    #2801664, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:14 am
    Couple on interesting whisperings.

    The Nats expect to be given back what they term their trade portfolio… you msy also see Scullion head to the backbench to enable a promotion of possibly Chester or Gillespie.

    Laundy and Bishop almost certainly going to the backbench voluntarily. Payne might go too, but more likely as shift to something like social services or human services. They want to ditch Birmingham too but the South Australian thing may save him – don’t be surprised if dripping wet Ruston comes in to replace him if he goes.

    I hear a Victorian will get education to help sort out the Catholic issue.

    You may be celebrating the removal of so many moderates, but beware the Morrison allies get most of the pomotions Hawke Roberts plus some of the moderate Turnbullites like Fletcher Ruston. That said I believe we may see both Taylor and Tudge go into cabinet.

    Also Sussan Ley could well be back and Karen Andrews promoted, plus Morton Wilson into the parliamentary secretary roles.

    The inside cabinet moves could be very interesting. Watch Fifield and Ciobo. Also Cash most likely would be dropped.

    Thanks. So, Ciobo for Foreign Minister if Bishop goes to the backbench?

    Hopefully if Taylor gets into cabinet he gets energy.

  72. min

    According to Bawwie, THEY shut down parliament . I thought Malcolm did it .
    .

  73. John Constantine

    Run for prime Minister with eleven votes in your pocket.

    What a brilliant idea Julie Bishop.

    Actually reassuring to see how few people could stomach a quisling pay-per-capitulation traitor.

  74. egg_

    The media are still crying. ABC keep using the term ‘coup’.

    A coup de grâce (/ˌkuː də ˈɡrɑːs/; French [ku də ɡʁɑs] for “blow of mercy”) is a death blow to end the suffering of a severely wounded person or animal.

  75. Megan

    An honourable, decent man of the former first eleven vs a guttersnipe.

    The Turnweasle is several orders of magnitude below guttersnipe. But not sure the classification of sub-genus has yet reached the level Mal inhabits.

  76. H B Bear

    I may even tune in to work out the real reason Bawwie has hired Annika and Shane as I haven’t seen her work before, except as a straight news reporter, and know little about Shane. I’m sure WA Cats can fill us in.

    Shane Wright is seriously unimpressive. The only time you want a Shane is if you are captain of the Australian cricket team or an AFL recruiter. He is not an outright barracker like Andwew Pwobyn who treated every opportunity at the ALPBC as an audition tape while at Teh Worst (and hasn’t changed which has seen him run afoul of even the toothless Australian media cops).

    Just another mediocre j’ismist.

  77. Elle

    Stan Grant? Ahh. Does Cassidy identify as Aboriginal too?

  78. egg_

    Run for prime Minister with eleven votes in your pocket.

    What a brilliant idea Julie Bishop.

    Madame Stabby McStabbyFace woz robbed.
    /Emoji

  79. THE Delcons are finished.

    Why does anyone pay for this crap?

  80. Marcus

    If you want to know how obsessed with Julie Bishop some journalists are, I give you Joe Spagnolo:

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/opinion/joe-spagnolo/joe-spagnolo-julie-bishop-let-down-by-wa-liberals-in-leadership-challenge-ng-b88939996z

    Basically, he’s arguing that our WA MPs betrayed the state by supporting a Queenslander over Julie Bishop. Given that these are the people who’ve worked with her and know her the best, it’s possible – just possible – that they know something that Joe doesn’t.

  81. Entropy

    Chester is a Nat in name only, as far as I can tell. I wouldn’t let him anywhere near a ministry.

    As for Abbott, it is his duty to stay there until the Photios tide is spent, and there is a democratic restoration of the NSW liberals. Otherwise there will be no party members left.

  82. mh

    Raining in Qld and NSW this weekend. Scott Morrison is delivering already.

  83. H B Bear

    Abbott won’t get a ministry.
    I reckon he will lose pre-selection due to a (cough) “sudden upsurge in memberships of Liberal branches in Warringah.”

    Not a problem. Abbott stands as an Independent and wins the seat. Not in the Lieboral party room though.

    Crossbench in the HoR will be irrelevant. Peanut Head will have a 15-20 seat majority there.

  84. Entropy

    All you need to know about Chester is he is liked by the media class.

  85. egg_

    he’s arguing that our WA MPs betrayed the state by supporting a Queenslander over Julie Bishop.

    Most Aussies probably think she’s Tasmanian old growth forest.

  86. John Constantine

    What does it say about a foreign minister that can’t recognise a dud with barely ten percent of the popular vote when it is staring out of the mirror?.

    How many ten percent winner, ninety percent loser treaties is Australia signed up to unswerving commitment to, just because stabby Bishop couldn’t read fine print?.

    Comrades.

  87. Brett N. Woods

    You have to admire the balls on the conservatives. After consistently undermining the Liberal party and Turnbull’s government, they insist they have the numbers only to be handed a resoundingly embarrassing defeat. And yet, even after they destroy any chance of a re-elected Liberal government, they strut around making demands of Morrison. ‘Morrison must abandon the Paris Agreement’. Morrison must reduce immigration. Immediately’. The petulant child screams at their mother, as if they are in a position to demand things.

    If only the conservatives were as silent as their Silent Majority which this week has proven doesn’t exist.

  88. mh

    Turnbull. Bishop. Now for the removal of Pyne.

  89. Infidel Tiger

    Turnbull and Bishop gone. A stunning defeat for Abbott.

  90. Gab

    From Bolt:

    UPDATE:

    News Corps’ Annika Smethurst says Bishop is still considering and will take a couple more days before announcing anything.

    Was she just trying to whip up cries from the public for her to stay – and as Foreign Minister? Who knows anything any more about what’s going on up there?

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    Lance Armstrong
    @lancearmstrong
    Dear my fellow Texans, we have a choice. This guy or
    @tedcruz
    . It’s time for reasonable and balanced talk on ALL issues – here’s one snippet. WE are for
    @BetoORourke

    Lion Ted Vs Cancer Lance
    Who would win?

  92. Entropy

    I suspect the only chance of a bishop leaving is she has a better offer. UN, Hillary foundation, or GG.
    If we could only get rid of that parasite tick Chrissy Piiiiyne as easily.

  93. Senile Old Guy

    But beyond Bishop, WA representatives have, in my eyes, committed an even greater sin. They did not lift a finger at least to have a go at delivering WA its second prime minister in more than 70 years.

    Because the most important thing is which state someone is from. Political commentary in this country is stuffed.

  94. Gab

    If she leaves, she’ll probably go on a “I wasn’t voted to be PM because misogyny” world tour.

  95. cohenite

    OldOzzie

    #2801687, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:36 am

    Oops Link – Macron’s Partition of France?

    The thing about islam which the West does not understand is that it will NEVER accept being second, it must dominate, control; and it will do that incrementally until it has the numbers/power and then off with the heads. A good example of this incremental revision is Imran khan and his wives:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156600998971460&set=a.10150241024666460&type=3&theater

  96. Empire 5:5

    Why does anyone pay for this crap?

    Why does anyone read it?

  97. Entropy

    THE Delcons are finished.

    Black is white.

    Plibbersek on insiders: alp has been unified for a long time. Permanent ticker tape below to reinforce. The young student union graduates that workshopped that line must think they are clever.

  98. Empire 5:5

    Lion Ted Vs Cancer Lance
    Who would win?

    A constitutionalist verses a lying drug cheat.

    Who provided cover for the cheat? How did he get away with it for so long?

  99. Vicki

    That said I believe we may see both Taylor and Tudge go into cabinet.

    And Hastie?

  100. cohenite

    A great week in pictures Tom, laughed out loud; the Mad Dog before and after was a hoot:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/the-week-in-pictures-what-happened-edition.php

  101. Snoopy

    THE Delcons are finished.

    The Australian Conservatives are now the third largest political party in the nation by paid memberships.

    Some ‘finished’.

  102. mh

    There was a young lady Devine
    For Malcolm she publicly pined
    Her chances were rooted
    When Malcolm got booted
    Oh no, why can’t he be mine!

  103. Brett N. Woods

    You have to admire the balls on the conservatives. After years of undermine the Liberal party and sniping from the backbench, they take their bruising defeat in stride and insist that it’s not a loss at all. ‘Morrison MUST pull out of the Paris Agreement. Morrison MUST reduce immigration. IMMEDIATELY’. Like a petulant child screaming at his mother, the conservatives think they can demand the world. Their complete lack of political awareness has insulated them from the true magnitude of their loss and makes them think they are in a position to demand anything.

    If only conservatives were as silent as their Silent Majority which doesn’t actually exist.

  104. Elle

    Piers Akerman is on the money, as always. Superbly articulated!

  105. Goanna

    LNP insider
    #2801697, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:50 am
    Abbott preselection is safe. The real issue is the succession. The moderates and centre right will try to shift someone in there (Mike Baird possibly). Just like they did when Bishop retired mect door

    You have an insiders definition of a moderate in the Liberal Party.
    I would call your moderates, extremists – that’s how far they wandered from the centre.

  106. P

    John McCain, American statesman and POW survivor, has died at age 81.

  107. Woolfe

    The office of US Senator John McCain has released a statement confirming he has died, aged 81.

  108. cohenite

    You have an insiders definition of a moderate in the Liberal Party.
    I would call your moderates, extremists – that’s how far they wandered from the centre.

    That’s right: anyone who believes in alarmism and that reruinables can power anything other than turdball’s dunny, and that islam and the West are compatible are not moderates but fucking idiots.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    Good kid.

    Karly Stefanovic’s son refuses to attend his dad’s wedding.

  110. Death Giraffe

    How many prime ministers in the last ten years?
    Not quite end of the Roman Empire levels of back-stabbery, but it is obvious the bastards know the looting time remaining to them is quickly dwindling, and we are entering the frantic part of the spiral.
    Expect the rate of turnover to increase exponentially as we reach the end.

  111. cohenite

    John McCain, American statesman and POW survivor, has died at age 81.

    We’ll see what the real statesman says about it when Trump comments.

  112. .

    Looks like Australian Conservatives are a thing now, well done on the membership numbers.

  113. Elle

    There was a Turnbull lover named Savva
    Her love for him oozed like lava
    She fellated him so much, she simply lost touch
    And ended up six feet deep like Pulavar.

    🙃

  114. H B Bear

    Second, remember when their bhp, Australia’s Big Stalin, gave half the pilbara iron ore mines and half bass strait oil and half gulf of Mexico oil in exchange for half some coal mines in south Africa?.

    BHP were really stiched up over that deal. I guess it is a change from pissing cashflow up against a wall.

  115. Gary

    I still think Devine is one of the most effective voice against the re-progressive agenda but how she can indorse Turmble and Bernardy at the same time is beyond me.

  116. Leigh Lowe

    Run for prime Minister with eleven votes in your pocket.

    What a brilliant idea Julie Bishop.

    Madame Stabby McStabbyFace woz robbed.

    Word on the street (upon which I am still dancin’) is that McStabby was furious that Morrison was allowed to refer to himself on the ballot as Sco-Mo, but the whip wouldn’t let her use her preferred rapper handle … Jay-B.

  117. Stimpson J. Cat

    John McCain

    Will have a great time downstairs.
    They are all big fans.

  118. Myrddin Seren

    Donald J. [email protected]

    My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!

  119. Infidel Tiger

    John McCain brown bread.

    Patriot. Political idiot. Tough guy with terrible ideas.

  120. Empire 5:5

    Brett N. Woods
    #2801773, posted on August 26, 2018 at 10:25 am

    Troll harder. This is kindergarten grade stuff.

  121. Myrddin Seren

    The terrible victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome must have been hovering over The Donald’s Twitter feed with scathing comments ready to go as soon as the Mccain announcement was made, judging by how fast they were in with scathing comments.

  122. Death Giraffe

    Top five tips on surviving the fall of civilisation:
    1. Get to know your local warlord. Maybe invite him and his wives over for tea.
    2. Learn how to prepare tree bark and rodents for the pot.
    3. Gradually introduce your intestines to puddle water.
    4. Work out which of your neighbors are most likely to sell your children into slavery.
    5. Buy a bible. When electricity is gone you will need a source of stories and inspiration. Hitch hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy won’t seem relevant or funny in the circumstances you find yourself.

  123. Empire 5:5

    We knew McCain checked out earlier this week.

    How? POTUS said his name.

    Suffer in hell, traitor.

  124. .

    2. Learn how to prepare tree bark and rodents for the pot.

    Wattle trees are a valuable source of DMT in the advent of beer supplies running low and home brewing becoming uneconomical without the ability to sparge your own barley.

    On that note, you wonder why Joe “Wow! Woah!” Rogan hasn’t moved here yet.

  125. areff

    A Turnbull fellatrix called Nikki
    Swallowed until she was sicky
    With belly quite full
    She sought a new bull
    Who wouldn’t go limp quite so quicky

  126. C.L.

    Police were called to the Queenscliff Brewhouse on Gellibrand St to move on drunk customers around 10pm and as they were escorting one man from the pub, two other men assaulted two police officers.

    The man who was escorted from the pub also began to assault police before the three offenders ran off.

    The three men attempted to flee police on foot but were located in a nearby laneway.

    Pub goers flooded the laneway and attempted to hinder police while they were attempted to arrest the men.

    Further police arrived and deployed pepper spray to quell the rowdy crowd.

    In other words, a bunch of coppers arrived on the scene and made a pissant situation worse – using their customary strategy of trying to “win” every argument and jostle – and then got beaten up.

  127. John Constantine

    Like when they changed the actor that played the butler in the television series ‘Blandings Castle’, it was still ‘
    The Butler of Blandings’ that was presented for public consumption, made ne real difference who read out the lines that were still written by the same writing panel.

    This illustrates that we have only had one prime minister this century, with the Abbottbeast forgettery insurrection.

    The Australian greens transnational Rum Corp quisling prime minister is dead, Long Live the new transnational Rum Corp quisling prime minister.

    Comrades.

  128. Empire 5:5

    If CNN’s opinion writers don’t understand either basic science or the Constitution, maybe they don’t deserve a public forum for their bloviation. However the First Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the stupidity freedomof the press.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/08/23/cnn-opinion-piece-if-trump-and-gop-dont-understand-climate-change-they-dont-deserve-public-office-wrong-on-every-level/

  129. Snoopy

    It would be interesting to know how much effect McCain’s tumour had on his TDS.

  130. C.L.

    Cohen Turned On Trump At Holocaust Survivor Fathers Urging.

    Interesting piece linked by Instapundit this morning: Borrowed Victimhood Is Not Heroism.

  131. areff

    Icky? The crusty deposit on her chin? Nah, that’s her badge of office.

  132. Snoopy

    Police were called to the Queenscliff Brewhouse on Gellibrand St to move on drunk customers around 10pm

    I seriously doubt the bar manager called the police.

  133. C.L.

    Multiple snaps.
    I should read these threads one of these days.

  134. Brett N. Woods

    Empire 5:5
    #2801796, posted on August 26, 2018 at 10:49 am

    Lol. Conservatives are so far up their own arse that anything that goes against their ‘Silent Majority’ narrative is just trolling. Malcolm did everything he could to appease you lot and still, it wasn’t enough. The conservatives would rather have the Labour/Greens/Union alliance than have someone who isn’t a conservative in the drivers seat of the Liberal party. A broad church indeed.

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    Important Announcement From M. I. C.(Mental Illness Community)

    I just want to take this opportunity on behalf of myself and the rest of the Mental Illness Community to apologize for Alex Jones looking at Trap P$rn on camera.
    It is hopefully an isolated incident, and before we judge him, we must remember that we are all human beings, and at least traps don’t have abortions.

    Thank you.

    Stimpson J. Cat.

  136. .

    Areff

    More haiku, please.

    I had a crack on p2., it is appropriate since Turnbull did himself in then his attendant gave the coup de grace.

    We’re giving him a dignified send-off with a death poem.

  137. C.L.

    Watch as the same media that hounded and mocked McCain – and tried to destroy on an adultery rap when he ran against Obama – now eulogises him as the Good Republican (over against evil Trump).

  138. Vicki

    Sky is preparing to go free to air with WIN, which will give regional viewers an alternative to the virtual ABC monopoly in the bush.

    Best news since the rain began yesterday.

  139. egg_

    Icky? The crusty deposit on her chin?

    It’s not toothpaste?

  140. Death Giraffe

    Is that you Malcolm?

  141. Death Giraffe

    Is that you Malcolm?
    How’s the agility down there?

  142. St Peter will have himself a time figuring out McCain’s eligibility.

  143. H B Bear

    John McCain, American statesman and POW survivor, has died at age 81.

    Unlike the Clintons, Donny’s political enemies die of natural causes.

    Never take on The Donald.

  144. Baldrick

    John McCain brown bread.

    Well obviously it’s Tony Abbott’s fault.

  145. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oEJjI2Yolk&list=RD5oEJjI2Yolk&start_radio=1#t=0

    Lord Emsworth is the Australian People, just wanting to settle down in comfy old slippers and peruse the well thumbed copy of Whiffle : ” On the care of the Pig”.

    No matter who plays the Staff of Blandings Castle however, his potentially pleasant life will be constantly subjected to harassment and sniper fire, as long as Commie Connie feels in her heart that all the suffering is For the Greater Good.

    Comrades.

  146. C.L.

    The conservatives would rather have the Labour/Greens/Union alliance than have someone who isn’t a conservative in the drivers seat of the Liberal party.

    Correct.

  147. H B Bear

    In other words, a bunch of coppers arrived on the scene and made a pissant situation worse – using their customary strategy of trying to “win” every argument and jostle – and then got beaten up.

    Safe to assume the participants weren’t new Australians from the Dark Continent then.

  148. Vicki

    “What caused the spill ”

    * the disastrous string of negative Coalition polls
    * “he is not one of us”
    * the relentless hostility of Abbott supporters (he drew the fire)
    * the bravery of Dutton in stepping forward
    * Turnbull took the Coalition too far to the Left
    * the Coalition was leaking party supporters – & their financial support

    In any order you like…..

  149. .

    Brett N. Woods
    #2801814, posted on August 26, 2018 at 11:00 am

    LOL

    Tell us when a government has ever saved during the good times? Amazing that people still hold onto a bastardised version of Keynes, who was an uneducated crakpot* himself, Keynes was debunked when he wrote the “General” Theory, he did not understand expectations and the empirical data has shown Keynesian policy has been an abysmal failure each and every time it has ever been implemented.

    *He studied entry level microeconomics and macroeconomics for one semester each. A little bit of information can be dangerous. His idea about inventories adjust on the whim of Treasury is just laughable to anyone who has run a business.

  150. Fleeced

    The delusional conservatives who wanted Tony Abbott back on his throne have lost bigly, as Donald Trump would say.

    Actually, Trump would say “big league” if he said anything – and then be endlessly misquoted by people like Devine.

  151. Fleeced

    McCain Dead. US survives.

  152. Malcolm did everything he could to appease you lot

    AAAAAhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

    Champagne Comedy

  153. H B Bear

    ALPBC “News” reporting the slop from Ol’ Leathery’s couches.

    Still Australia’s most trusted news source.

  154. C.L.

    February 2008: the New York Times tries to destroy John McCain on an adultery charge for daring to run against Barack Obama:

    For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk.

  155. Woolfe

    He is not saying a lot now Snoops.

  156. Infidel Tiger

    Introduced my kids to Beethoven this morning.

    They love that dog.

  157. Vicki

    Well I think Abbott should get Defence or Aboriginal Affsirs.

    Agree Helen. Abbott would be particularly suited, of course, to Aboriginal Affairs which is close to his heart. This appointment would heal a lot of animosity.

  158. Fleeced

    More haiku, please.

    This is a haiku
    to say to Turnbull, “F*ck You!”
    How is that one, Dot?

  159. February 2008: the New York Times tries to destroy John McCain on an adultery charge for daring to run against Barack Obama

    Imagine, John McCain cheating on his wife! I mean, it’s not as if she was recuperating after a serious car accident.

  160. .

    Saw “The Jury Speaks” about the Trayvon Martin/Geo. Z’man case last night on Foxtel.

    Trayvon Martin was not murdered. The evidence is clear, but not at first. In fact, he was attempting to murder Z’man.

    The whole BLM thing is based on a lie.

    The Z’man case was like a very dark version of Bonfire of the Vanities.

  161. .

    I prefer 3/5/3 or 3/5/5/3 to 5/7/5, Fleeced. Not bad at all though!

  162. Myrddin Seren

    Next to be targeted by the New Puritans, appalled at the poor choices of the Proles – booze:

    No alcohol safe to drink, global study confirms

    The Lancet, blah, blah, study – must stop the vile Proles etc etc.

    Interesting end note the somehow slipped past the BBC thought editors:

    Prof David Spiegelhalter, Winton Professor for the Public Understanding of Risk at the University of Cambridge, sounded a note of caution about the findings.

    “Given the pleasure presumably associated with moderate drinking, claiming there is no ‘safe’ level does not seem an argument for abstention,” he said.

    “There is no safe level of driving, but the government does not recommend that people avoid driving.

    Seen the government’s plan for the Great Sydney megalopolis ? Public transport, perhaps a few expensive EVs for the leadership cadres, and enjoy your bicycling and walking Proles !

    “Come to think of it, there is no safe level of living, but nobody would recommend abstention.”

    Nope – think they are ahead of you on that one too, Prof. From 2015:

    United Nations climate chief Christiana Figueres said humanity “really should make every effort” to reduce global population trends to protect the environment and fight global warming in an interview with Climate One.

    Volunteers will soon be called for …”to save the Planet…”

  163. Empire 5:5

    Brett N. Woods
    #2801814, posted on August 26, 2018 at 11:00 am

    Two strikes. I’m not a conservative.

    Why don’t you go for the hat-trick? There’s a zero price pair of clown shoes on offer.

  164. mh

    There was a PM called Johnny
    To serve the longest his folly
    He promoted Green Mal
    A waffler Royale
    Now Johnny is looking a Wally.

  165. Empire 5:5

    Imagine, John McCain cheating on his wife! I mean, it’s not as if she was recuperating after a serious car accident.

    A dog act for sure, but relatively minor when measured against his entire record.

  166. .

    monty

    I am a reasonable man. Let’s say I am an American now, not an Aussie.

    Tell me why I give a damn about who Mc Cain slept with, or if Clinton was blown by an intern?

    Any journalist covering this shit should realise they’ve gone from Pulitzer Prizes to the Nat’l Enquirer and Penthouse Forum.

    I’m not a prude, I just don’t care; these unfortunate events really only hurt the spouses and just sell copies. The public certainly doesn’t look into policies when this circus de foppery goes on.

  167. cuckoo

    The Sunday Age (yeah, I know) is all upset that, er, certain people in Australia are seeking sex-selective abortions overseas. How to begin to chart the cognitive dissonance? Don’t these people believe in a woman’s right to choose? It’s not as if a human being is being killed, right, so what does it matter? And if it were male foetuses being selectively aborted, the Age would be cheering and waving pom-poms.

  168. LNP insider

    Just to clarify when I use the terms moderates, centre right and conservative I am using the term people recognise as their faction. I am not making comment on the actual position of these people.

  169. Tell me why I give a damn about who Mc Cain slept with, or if Clinton was blown by an intern?

    People like their leaders to have character, not to be a character, to misquote a wise man.

    As you point out, that stuff sells copies so someone must care.

    LOL at you invoking National Enquirer given their recent history has been to buy salacious stories on behalf of Trump to nobble them!

  170. .

    cuckoo

    That is the sort of stuff that should be presented to Ms Ali France.

    Her “equal pay” bullshit is risible. Women have far more rights than men now.

  171. cuckoo

    John McCain dead.

    I’m sure Muller can find someone willing to testify that Trump was behind it, in return for a plea bargain.

  172. Snoopy

    Aboriginal Affairs is a poison chalice. For anyone.

  173. Crossie

    My feeling is that there will be minimal changes to ministers because ScoMo is Turnbull-lite. Sunday Telegraph profiled his PA and his bride, also a staffer, that fills me with foreboding. We are in for Rudd version 3.0.

    This obsession with young, tech savvy but vapid staffers will be the end of all of us. They are self-obsessed and think everyone over 40 is dumb and should be neither seen nor heard. This does not bode well for bringing former Liberal voters back into the fold.

  174. .

    Yeah I know right monty? I’m not a peanut farmer, but a fisho so I don’t feed the chooks, I always leave a berely trail.

    It helps with setting lines on rod and reel with lures, to be towed behind a boat at an idling speed.

    You may know the technical term for this technique.

  175. Chris

    If only conservatives were as silent as their Silent Majority which doesn’t actually exist.

    If only Leftists retained any intellectual honesty…

  176. Fleeced

    I prefer 3/5/3 or 3/5/5/3 to 5/7/5, Fleeced.

    Now you’re just being pretentious!

  177. .

    monty

    Why the fuck are you Mr Rogers all of the sudden?

    Worst trolling schtick ever.

  178. lotocoti

    St Peter will have himself a time figuring out McCain’s eligibility.

    Maverick won’t be charlie on arrival.

  179. It’s a bit early to start drinking, Dot. Tomato juice for you old son.

  180. Empire 5:5

    Maverick won’t be charlie on arrival.

    Nice.

  181. .

    I’m shocked monty you think the Clinton impeachment and witch trial was a good idea.

    It was a stupid diversion and unbecoming of all involved.

  182. Rafe Champion

    Daria also posted this release from NORDREG CANADA, a branch of the Canadian Coast Guard.

    Subject: 9H9573 – INFO – 08-18-1256 – LR – HEAVIER ICE CONDITIONS
    Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:06:44 +0000
    NORDREG IQALUIT 181256 UTC AUG 2018

    Good morning,
    Due to heavier than normal ice concentrations in the Canadian arctic waters north of 70 degrees, the Canadian Coast Guard, recommends that pleasure craft do not navigate in the Beaufort Sea, Barrow, Peel Sound, Franklin Strait and Prince Regent. CCG icebreakers cannot safely escort pleasure craft. Operators of pleasure craft considering a northwest passage should also consider the risk of having to winter in a safe haven in the Arctic, or in the case of an emergency, be evacuated from beset vessels. Safety of mariners is our primary concern.
    REGARDS,
    NORDREG CANADA
    181256UTC\LR

  183. egg_

    Malcolm did everything he could to appease you lot

    After screwing the pooch?

  184. I’m shocked monty you think the Clinton impeachment and witch trial was a good idea.

    It was a stupid diversion and unbecoming of all involved.

    I agree with that. Clinton’s numbers were sky high all through it though. Trump won’t be so lucky.

  185. Boambee John

    People like their leaders to have character, not to be a character, to misquote a wise man.

    William Jefferson Clinton? Cough, cough. John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Cough, cough?

  186. Whalehunt fun

    Yes the #metoo filth support a molester when it’s one of theirs. The left filth are just that. Filth not worthy of treatment as humans.

  187. Snoopy

    Trump won’t be so lucky.

    Witch hunt. Explained.

  188. John Comnenus

    I reckon SCOMO has minimal change in cabinet but all changes will be to increase conservatives in cabinet. For mine I would get rid of: Bishop, Birmingham and Payne, and Energy is vacant due to Frydenbergs move. I would replace them with Conservatives but would make Abbott Defence Minister.

  189. Anthony

    Scott Morrison says many Australians would be “absolutely disgusted” by the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

    The Australian

    Fucking hypocrites! Many Australians were absolutely, absolutely disgusted by the dumping of Tony Abbott as PM. And they haven’t forgotten.

  190. LOL at having to explain character on a site full of self-described “conservatives”.

  191. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!
    10:44 AM · Aug 26, 2018

  192. Boambee John

    John Comnenus

    But who for immigration/Home Affairs?

  193. Whalehunt fun

    If only conservatives were as silent 

    Yes the left hate it when their sick animalism is exposed by someone mentioning it. Free speech according to the left, should be of, for, and limited to the left. Such is the absence of logic or reason behind their BS that having it pointed out is not to be allowed.

  194. egg_

    Scott Morrison says many Australians would be “absolutely disgusted” by the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull as PM

    38 negative Newspolls say otherwise.

  195. Baldrick

    There’s no way SloMo will cut immigration. His 10 year budget forward estimates are all based on importing more vote herds to bolster his over-estimated GDP figures.

  196. Brett N. Woods

    John Comnenus
    #2801886, posted on August 26, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    I disagree. Anyone on the list of 43 should be placed on the Backbench immediately. They have proven that they cannot be trusted with the well-being of the party and the country. While the Liberal party cannot stop them going to the press, they should diminish the amount of campaign funds they give the Traitors of the Right. If conservatives are unwilling to support the party, the party should be unwilling to support them.

  197. Chris

    Brett N. Woods…
    Brett N. Woods…

    Ah!
    You’ve all heard the one about the Engineer, the Physicist and the Economist stranded on a desert island with nothing to eat but a crate of canned peas?

  198. Chris

    If conservatives are unwilling to support the party, the party should be unwilling to support them.

    And therefore the Liberal Party should implement Labor policies as fast as they can.

  199. Baldrick

    Scott Morrison says many Australians would be “absolutely disgusted” by the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

    Well played by SloMo. He cuts a deal to oust Trumble and still comes out looking like the good guy.

  200. Anyway, it wasn’t the Democrats who spread the most scurrilous rumour about McCain, it was the Republicans who pushed the black-child-out-of-wedlock thing. Not to mention Trump’s comments about not liking people who let themselves get captured.

  201. P

    DROUGHT-stricken farmers will be able to buy water set aside for the ­environment with the NSW government to release up to 15,000 megalitres being stored in regional dams.

    They will also be able to purchase 450 megalitres of groundwater and, in another new assistance initiative to be announced today, National Parks and Wildlife Service trucks and trailers will be used to transport feed.

    dailytelegraph today

    What a generous NSW Govt we have.

  202. H B Bear

    His 10 year budget forward estimates are all based on importing more vote herds to bolster his over-estimated GDP figures.

    SloMo has been papering over the cracks since he arrived as Treasurer. Real private sector wage growth tells you all you need to know. In the past bracket creep would have done the job.

  203. Snoopy

    Google is running very slow. I blame Monty’s frantic web searching.

  204. Tom

    Leftards aren’t very bright. Non-leftards in the Lieboral party — that is, everyone outside the Photios
    communists in eastern Sydney — are the people who turn up to man voting booths and donate. The fact that Trumble has driven them away is why the party is in such deep shit financially.

    I bet our latest troll is either a Greenfilth voter or staffer who has never voted for anyone outside the loony left bubble.

  205. Snoopy

    What a generous NSW Govt we have.

    It depends on the price.

  206. Oh come on

    Here is some vintage BO; he simply cannot resist making the story about him:

    Obama on Saturday said in a statement: “John McCain and I were members of different generations, came from completely different backgrounds, and competed at the highest level of politics. But we shared, for all our differences, a fidelity to something higher — the ideals for which generations of Americans and immigrants alike have fought, marched, and sacrificed.”

    Obama really cannot bear not being the centre of attention – he’s got to work himself into the narrative somehow. Astonishing, but on the other hand not remotely surprising, really.

  207. .

    A request.

    Does anyone know the name of a very silly movie where a bearded dude saves hot ethnic bikini-clad babes on Atlantis with lasers and a learjet?

    I saw the last 30 minutes of it when I was about 20 years ago and found the sheer silliness very amusing.

  208. Elle

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Australian Neurosurgical Intensive Care Units agree to stop asking patients who is the Prime Minister to assess short-term memory as it is deemed to be an unfair question.

  209. Tintarella di Luna

    Aaron
    #2801581, posted on August 25, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Lets not blame Abbott for everything.

    Well Nick Greiner is blaming Abbott for whole sorry mess.

    Tony Abbott ‘part of the blame’ for Liberal Party leadership fight

    GREG BROWN
    JOURNALIST
    2 HOURS AGO AUGUST 26, 2018

    Liberal Party federal president Nick Greiner says Tony Abbott is “part of the blame” for the government’s instability, warning Labor will win the next election if the party does not unite.

    Mr Greiner said Mr Abbott should use his abilities to fight Labor rather than engage in internal wars.

    “He has part of the blame, his behaviour has been, as I have often said, more focused internally than where his skills are best used,” Mr Greiner told Sky News.

    “Tony is an excellent political salesman, a political warrior, he should have been spending his time, and I of course said this to him, much more on bringing down our political opponents rather than focusing on internal differences.

    “I am hopeful, and I take it from his remarks, that will not happen in the future.”

    ‘He is a political warrior. He should have been spending his time on bringing down our political opponents instead of focusing on internal differences.’

    He would not say whether Mr Abbott should leave parliament.

    “There are obvious options, I don’t mind what option various individuals in the parliamentary party take, that is for them, the important thing is the outcome that, whether they are in Timbuctoo or Canberra., they have their focus 100 per cent on having the Coalition on the best position to win next year,” he said.

    Mr Greiner said he was supportive of Labor-like reforms that would give party members a say in choosing the parliamentary leader.

    “Certainly I think it is something that should be on the agenda,” he said.

  210. min

    Course many of Australians would be absolutely disgusted with the dumping of Turnbull . The Green voters and Labor voters that make up maybe 45% of voters .

  211. min

    Sussan Ley has been out advocating for water held in reserve to be used to irrigate so that feed can be grown for drought areas.

  212. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peter Dutton’s next rival is ready for the political battle

    Jared Owens
    @jaredowens
    12:00AM August 25, 2018
    2 Comments

    Ali France could give Peter Dutton the fight of his political life at the next election. The former journalist and athlete, who spent years in and out of hospitals after losing her leg in a car crash seven years ago, is the antithesis of the uncompromising Mr Dutton: a union-backed progressive who cham­pions multiculturalism and has opposed offshore detention.

    With Mr Dutton’s credibility imperilled following his failed leadership bid, Ms France has a strong chance of snaring his outer-Brisbane electorate of Dickson, held on a notional margin of 2 per cent.

    “The people of Dickson will have a clear choice between somebody who is going to fight for them on the issues that matter, or someone who is really only concerned about furthering his career,” Ms France, 45, said yesterday.

    “It doesn’t matter whether I’m up against a prime minister, a minister or a backbencher, my job is the same.”

    Echoing the ALP’s controversial but devastating campaign in neighbouring Longman, Ms France warned that the government would cut $130 million from local hospitals, $13m from local schools, 200 local apprenticeship places and allow reduced penalty rates for 11,000 workers.

    The Coalition disputes Labor’s claimed “cuts”, saying funding has increased to schools and hospitals in recent years, albeit by less than was promised under the previous ALP government.

    Ms France, who last year advocated bringing asylum-seekers ­detained offshore to Australia, yesterday offered “complete support” for Bill Shorten’s policy ensuring they remained offshore.

    From the Oz. Another “pony girl” – seems Daddy was a Labor Minister.

  213. C.L.

    Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Tanya Plibersek defends Malcolm Turnbull; says he was incredibly popular and doing “just fine.”

    As the Liberals continue to pick through the wreckage of their party, Labor is also struggling to make sense of what went on.

    Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek said she could not understand why Ms Bishop was not picked by her party as leader.

    “She would have been the most popular choice as Liberal leader if you asked the Australian people,” she said.

    “But then again, Malcolm Turnbull was doing just fine.

    “It is a bizarre week. We have seen a prime minister that continued to be popular with the Australian people torn down by the extreme right of the Liberal Party, who just relentlessly chased him down.”

    ABC Online, of course.

  214. min

    Rafe I believe in Climate change just like the Greenlanders when they view the ruins of their cathedral built in 1126.

  215. Long thread on problems with Tesla car batteries. For sdfc.

  216. egg_

    Mr Greiner said Mr Abbott should use his abilities to fight Labor rather than engage in internal wars.

    When Trumble’s following Labor policy?
    Get real.

  217. John Constantine

    Farmers will be able to buy more irrigation water.

    Pity about the endless torrents turnbullitism has already dumped out to sea unused, to comply with his signed transnational agreements to destock Australian agriculture.

    Bastards.

  218. John Constantine

    Plibblefilth would be happy to have turnbull as her deputy when she topples shorten to lead the New Rum Corps.

  219. Woolfe

    Hopefully they have disconnected Malcolm’s phone and email.

  220. Chris

    I bet our latest troll is either a Greenfilth voter or staffer who has never voted for anyone outside the loony left bubble.

    Embrace the healing power of ‘and’.
    Qwiggin fanboi, I am betting.

  221. Gary

    m0nty
    #2801888, posted on August 26, 2018 at 12:04 pm
    LOL at having to explain character on a site full of self-described “conservatives”.

    No what’s hilarious is an ANTIFA fanboy lecturing about ethics from the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

  222. egg_

    Tanya Plibersek defends Malcolm Turnbull; says he was incredibly popular and doing “just fine.”

    Piloting the Libs to the bottom of the swamp.

  223. cohenite

    I bet our latest troll is either a Greenfilth voter or staffer who has never voted for anyone outside the loony left bubble.

    A new bone? What is it called?

  224. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peter Dutton’s next rival is ready for the political battle

    Campaign bolstered by Queensland’s largest Left wing Union, “United Voice”, and GetUp.

  225. Oh come on

    Trumble said he was proud of his “progressive government”, then quickly qualified that with “progressive Liberal government”. He was right the first time. Trumble always wanted to drag the LP to the left. And he white-anted the Abbott govt to the point it failed. Of course Abbott made plenty of unforced errors but Trumble’s consent undermining didn’t help, either.

    The media ought to stop pretending that Tony’s a wrecker, as if Trumble hasn’t just received a solid helping of his own medicine. After being replaced, Abbott gave Trumble a fair and clear run, and spoke regularly about the need to stop dumping PMs so readily, but when it became obvious that things weren’t getting any better, Abbott was more public and frank about the failings of Trumble’s policies. This was a courtesy that weaselly Trumble never paid to his predecessor before rolling him, allowing him to do so from a cabinet position.

  226. Peter

    So why hasn’t Turnbull resigned already? Once he resigns, the Government is short one vote in Parliament, but until then, Mal can go back there and actually vote the Government down if he so chooses. Could he be waiting to see if ScoMo gives Abbott a Ministry? Surely he couldn’t be that miserable?

  227. dopey

    Landline today.
    Hemp, trees, slow food.

  228. Fisky

    It was rather amusing to open Twitter this morning and read all of these Leftists eulogising John McCain. Quite revealing how their most sincere praise was reserved for his “gracious concession speech” in 2008, as somehow the crowning achievement of his long career.

    This is exactly the role that Republicans are expected to play – getting smeared as “racists”, “sexists” etc during the election (which all of them do, including McCain), and then accorded Strange New Respect after their concession speech. Trump will never be forgiven for upending the game plan.

  229. H B Bear

    Campaign bolstered by Queensland’s largest Left wing Union, “United Voice”, and GetUp.

    The bed pan emptiers union is the way of the future. The blue singlets are just providing the cash nowadays.

  230. bundyrum

    The new troll is a rebadged jobson grothe i think.

  231. Vicki

    This obsession with young, tech savvy but vapid staffers will be the end of all of us.

    Agree. I’m sorry to hear that the new PM’s staff are of that ilk.

    God only knows why they think that tech savvy youth beats experience & smarts.

  232. Mater

    While the Liberal party cannot stop them going to the press, they should diminish the amount of campaign funds they give the Traitors of the Right.

    What a very Labor Party line of thought. Perhaps we could label them scabs or dogs while we’re at it. Maybe even insurgents…

  233. C.L.

    Do we have to denounce every purveyor of a contrary opinion as a “troll”?

  234. Snoopy

    ABC Online unwittingly doing God’s work. h/t CL

    “Friends of Stability” WhatsApp group
    Frontbenchers
    Simon Birmingham
    Christopher Pyne
    Kelly O’Dwyer
    Marise Payne
    Craig Laundy
    Paul Fletcher
    Anne Ruston
    Melissa Price
    Jane Prentice
    Backbenchers
    Julia Banks (VIC)
    Sarah Henderson (VIC)
    Chris Crewther (VIC)
    Jane Hume (VIC)
    Julian Leeser (NSW)
    Trent Zimmerman (NSW)
    Richard Colbeck (TAS)
    Lucy Gichuhi (SA)

    Ye shall know them by their fruits.

  235. John Constantine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iAdTi5I15c

    SBS did this part doco, slagging off old Australia, but showing what the Snowy river Scheme started out to do.

    I was trying to explain to a bright enough bloke recently how turnbull was going to destroy the snowy scheme with the snowy battery thing, but I couldn’t communicate the vision to him.

    Might have to have a trim down to bare bones thing.

  236. Vicki

    There’s no way SloMo will cut immigration.

    That is the fear.

    Tony Abbott reckons that Morrison became a “captive” of Treasury officialdom.

    Treasury is notorious for supporting a “big Australia”.

    On the other hand, the drover’s dog knows that the voting public reckon we are “full” & should radically overhaul immigration.

  237. egg_

    Scott Morrison says many Australians would be “absolutely disgusted” by the dumping of Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

    Trumble-lite

  238. Oh come on

    The NYT’s editorial board’s partisan revisionism is remarkable:

    [McCain] lobbied hard for the ruinously misguided invasion of Iraq, as well as the bombing of Libya.

    The bombing of Libya and the collapse of the Gaddafi regime wasn’t ruinously misguided? No, because Obama and Crooked did it.

    As a politician with national aspirations beyond the Senate, Mr. McCain has a decidedly mixed legacy…
    Mr. McCain’s decision against demanding an eye for an eye when Mr. Bush and his henchmen savaged him and his family in the South Carolina primary campaign, one of the most vicious and depressing in modern times, earned him further credit. Yet he lost it all, and then some, when he deployed the same tactics against Barack Obama in the 2008 campaign. Having stood up at one point to a woman who called Mr. Obama an untrustworthy “Arab” — Mr. McCain seized her microphone and said: “No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man, citizen” — he then allowed his own campaign, and himself, to descend to the same debased level, portraying Mr. Obama as a shadowy, untrustworthy and even unpatriotic figure.

    He was right. Shadowy, untrustworthy and unpatriotic is Obama 2008 to a tee and even more so now.

    No campaign decision drew more criticism than his ill-considered selection of a running mate in Sarah Palin

    More revisionist rubbish. His selection of Palin as his VP candidate was the only thing that made him remotely competitive in 2008.

    who went so far as to charge Mr. Obama with “palling around with terrorists.”

    Again, this is completely true. Obama did exactly that. No one disputes his connection to Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

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