“Killing goats to appease the volcano gods”

This is how our political troubles have been viewed in the US, at least according to the Crackpot News Network: Why not wreck the planet? It could save your political skin. Although already overtaken by events, there you may read:

(CNN) There is a certain mindset in politics, present the world over and across the political spectrum, which distrusts expertise. That mindset is presently revealing itself in Australia, where this week a small group of conservative-minded members of parliament held the prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, hostage over climate policy.

Turnbull’s center-right Liberal party had pledged to reduce emissions from Australia’s energy companies more than a quarter (from 2005 levels) by 2030, a key part of its efforts to meet its international obligations.

 

But several of his own MPs, led by his predecessor as prime minister and long-term rival Tony Abbott, forced him into a climbdown by threatening to vote against the legislation. Turnbull’s government barely has a majority in the House of Representatives, and losing such a key vote could have led to a leadership challenge. Cowed, he dropped the pledge, and on Tuesday narrowly survived the revolt.

 

Yet for large parts of the political class here, and the people who vote for them, climate change is seen as a scam perpetrated by liberal, anti-business scientists.

 

One in five Australians, a poll last year showed, believe that climate change is a “hoax.” Another poll in 2015 declared that Australia was the most climate-skeptical nation on Earth.

 

Abbott himself has said that the “settled science” of climate change is “absolute crap” and that efforts to reduce its impact are like “killing goats to appease the volcano gods.” Another politician, the anti-immigration populist Malcolm Roberts, has clashed with scientist Brian Cox, claiming that NASA data was “manipulated” to make climate change appear worse than it was, to Cox’s astonishment.

 
And you can see here the evidence we are ignoring, from that same report.

Australia is a country where environmental damage is obvious, in the form of the hole in the ozone layer over the Antarctic caused by use of CFCs decades ago, the steady bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef from warming, carbon-dioxide-acidified seas, and the ever more prevalent bushfires.

Makes me proud to be an Australian.

PLUS THIS: From Tel in the comments. A reminder that we really don’t know how things work at the Deep State level. It’s from 2015.

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46 Responses to “Killing goats to appease the volcano gods”

  1. stackja

    So says By Tom Chivers.

  2. Craig Mc

    There’s hope for the country yet.

  3. RobK

    The most climate-skeptical nation on Earth
    The research by the University of Tasmania found 17 per cent of Australians thought climate change was not real, compared with 15 per cent of people in Norway, 13 per cent of New Zealanders and 12 per cent of Americans.

    It seems they used the IPCC definition of climate change without specifying any anthropogenic element. Classic leading question. Dangerous polling.

  4. Shy Ted

    CNN! Can’t even spell Trumble properly.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    “Killing goats to appease the volcano gods”

    Does Gaia accept rented goats?

    Goat rental industry taking off across USA (Drudge headline today)

    A pair of goats were spotted wandering along New York City subway tracks earlier this week, prompting the city’s transit authority to retool its train schedules while employees – with the help of comedian Jon Stewart – rounded up the rogue animals and transported them to a nearby animal sanctuary.

    The goats were eventually rounded up as more details of the story came together. As local reporter Joe Parris – who was among the first to post pictures of the goats on Twitter, helping the story go viral – later explained in a Facebook video, the herd was deployed by a local operation called We Rent Goats

    Steele’s Goats on the Go circulated a press release earlier this week aimed at capitalizing on what he views as an uptick in goat interest. … Most recently, Goats on the Go announced plans to expand into California, adding to its existing presence in Iowa, Oklahoma, Missouri, Ohio and Texas.

    Steele says sustainability and environmental accountability are staples of Goats on the Go.

    If ‘sustainability and environmental accountability are staples of Goats on the Go’ he probably won’t mind one being sacrificed to Gaia occasionally.

  6. John Constantine

    Twenty percent of our sheep and twenty percent of our cattle have to be sacrificed as tribute to put Great Transnational Rum Corps overlords.

    Comrades.

  7. Chris

    Twenty percent of our sheep and twenty percent of our cattle have to be sacrificed as tribute to put Great Transnational Rum Corps overlords.

    Comrades.

    Sacrificing someone else’s goat is abhorrent to the Lord. But not to our lizard overlords in the Media Class, where other people’s sacrifice is their only virtue.

  8. gbees

    So much bullshit in one article. No wonder the people are railing against the #FakeMedia #FakeNews pundints. @CNN lost the plot a long time ago. It’s on it’s way out.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sorry that was OT…but the story was irresistible for this thread. 😀

    The problem for the likes of ScoMo is that the real world data shows global warming isn’t happening. The lefties pushing this scam are frantically trying to hype their manipulated data, but it doesn’t pass muster when you compare it to other related data like snow cover – which is flat for the last two decades (apart from the normal ups and downs).

    You can’t fool snow. It melts at 0 C no matter what the adjusted data says the temperature is supposed to be.

    Therefore destroying the Australian electricity grid, and harming poor people with high electricity prices, for a not-happening problem is morally wrong. It should stop immediately.

  10. H B Bear

    … the herd was deployed by a local operation called We Rent Goats

    Wouldn’t mind the Lakemba franchise for that outfit. Particularly on a Friday or Saturday night. Only the pretty ones though.

  11. Senile Old Guy

    Scientific truths are complex. Understanding how an invisible, harmless gas can trap heat in the atmosphere because of its molecular shape is not easy.

    Not mentioned is that CO2 is about 0.04% of the atmosphere, that temperature has been stable for decades or that the weather is a result of complex unpredictable phenomena. And CO2 is only harmless in small concentrations.

  12. DaveR

    This type of self-serving political “analysis’ from the left is being repeated all over the news and blog networks, but is way off the beam and fails even the most simplest of examination.

    The vote for Morrison was 45-40, showing the Liberal party MPs split down the middle on policy. The “small group of conservative-minded members” is a convenient portrayal for the left, but nowhere near reality.

    The other comments from Tom Chivers shows he is a card- carrying member of the activist green left, and out of touch with almost all mainstream politics in Australia. But he is entitled to his fringe view.

  13. Nob

    Australia is in fact the most gullible nation on global warming.

    Everyone else pays lip service but doesn’t do much to harm their remaining industries.

  14. H B Bear

    The only group worse on Australian politics than domestic j’ismists are overseas j’ismists. Wrongness squared.

  15. Leo G

    Scientific truths are complex. Understanding how an invisible, harmless gas can trap heat in the atmosphere because of its molecular shape is not easy.

    The carbon dioxide “theory” is predicated on those molecules absorbing infrared quanta and immediately transforming that energy to molecular vibrations and transfering the energy to other atmospheric gases and radiation (some of which is absorbed by gases, particles or by the earth’s surface). If the energy was “trapped” in the CO2 molecule, it would not be available to cause any temperature rise.
    Author of the statement, science writer Tom Chivers, claims scientific understanding but demonstrates the lack of it.

  16. Louis Hissink

    The problem is too many “scientists”, pc education, and ignorance.

    Gases cannot store heat or energy. Brownian motion and all that.
    CO2 does have an IR absorption spectrum but that energy is instantly dissipated by conduction.
    Adding CO2 to greenhouses cools said greenhouses.
    Downwelling atmospheric IR is from atmospheric electric currents not CO2.

    Climate science is infected with the logical fallacy of arguing the consequent.

    The CO2 issue was resurrected by Sagan to counter Velikovskianism, that Jim Hansen then based his PhD under Sagan.

    Climate science evolved from the geography departments, not hard science departments.

    We are dealing with religion.

  17. destroyer D69

    If only we could eradicate the goats and sheep from Parliament.

  18. NB

    I have always suspected Turnbull’s prime ministership was courtesy of Obama meddling, as I also suspect was the elevation of (not Bishop) Jorge Mario Bergoglio, supporter of Castro, to Pope.
    I hope the interim period we have while Trump is in office results in real liberals forming government in Australia and the UK, not to mention Canada and NZ.
    It took the left a long time to unwind the reforms of the 1980s. The left has worked hard to stack every institution it can infiltrate and dominate, and to create themes such as global warming to further its agenda. We stood at the precipice in November 2016 and we were saved. I shudder to think of the awfulness the left will unleash around the world when it next gets its hands on the presidency. We need a world that has been significantly transformed in order to resist that malign influence, to resist the sinister-left dark age.

  19. Squirrel

    “Worshipping at the altar of silicon and revolving steel to appease the weather gods” – fixed it, as the saying goes.

    I suppose it would be too much to hope that we simply adopt the wondrous new technology WHEN (to use a cliche of which the “I know what’s best for you” brigade are fond) it is fit for purpose – i.e. when it is proven, reliable and affordable.

    In the meantime, let’s stop sacrificing people whose only “sin” is to be less affluent than the posturing elites and the renewables rent-seekers, on the altar of climate change tokenism, and let’s stop dreaming up convoluted, expensive schemes in a mad effort to achieve arbitrary targets for something which we can’t (in truth) accurately measure.

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Yet for large parts of the political class here, and the people who vote for them, climate change is seen as a scam perpetrated by liberal, anti-business scientists.

    well no. anti-capitalist socialists and communists throwing billions at scientists is the problem.

  21. Bushkid

    Dammit, I get so angry at these bozos who have no idea at all about Australia. Ignorant fools, and dangerous ones at that. No wonder Trump calls them out as lairs and fake news.

  22. Sydney Boy

    The problem for the likes of ScoMo is that the real world data shows global warming isn’t happening.

    And in other real-world data, the number AND intensity of tropical cyclones hitting Australia is falling:

  23. Rohan

    Senile Old Guy
    #2801214, posted on August 25, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    Scientific truths are complex. Understanding how an invisible, harmless gas can trap heat in the atmosphere because of its molecular shape is not easy.

    Not mentioned is that CO2 is about 0.04% of the atmosphere, that temperature has been stable for decades or that the weather is a result of complex unpredictable phenomena. And CO2 is only harmless in small concentrations.

    And that water vapour is 7.6 times more powerful than CO2 and at ~9000 ppmv or 0.9%, is 22.5 times its concentration. Despite that, it’s responsible for about 70-72% of the GHG effect.

  24. Rob MW

    Australia is a country where environmental damage is obvious, in the form of the hole in the ozone layer over the Antarctic caused by use of CFCs decades ago, the steady bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef from warming, carbon-dioxide-acidified seas, and the ever more prevalent bushfires.

    An obvious lower IQ turd with a keyboard saying shit for the obvious reason of he/she has shit to say.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Australia is in fact the most gullible nation on global warming.

    Everyone else pays lip service but doesn’t do much to harm their remaining industries.

    True in Norway. Deep green on the lips but not in the hands. They kill unwanted poley bears in ‘self-defense’, it’s mandatory to have guns for this in some areas, they drill the oceans for oil to fund their socialist life-styles and put up oil storage tanks in pristine fjiord environments, they fish to their heart’s content and fish farms abound, they still harpoon whales for fun and sale to Japanese customers as their own decline, and they don’t seem to have many muzzies in hijabs hanging around their townships and hamlets. Hmmm.

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The ‘hole in the ozone layer’ appears now to be a naturally cycling event, as many phenomena to do with climate and the atmosphere are shown to be, such as the regular ‘bleaching’ of the barrier reef; the role played by CFC’s re the ozone layer is now questioned by scientists and Peter Ridd is currenly being crucified for saying with good scientific backing that the barrier reef is doing well too.. bushfires are no more prevalent that they used to be when all factors are considered, and occur mainly now in areas where green refusal of back-burning and insistence on living on fire prone ridges causes loss of human life. As for the oceans, they are very complex and there is no genuine evidence for acidification nor warming of them. Indeed, there is no proper measurement system for this at all. Droughts and floods are Australia’s natural heritage and we can manage them well if we recognise this. Old records are very revealing and often ignored or subverted.

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ScoMo, come on down and read this thread and others elsewhere on the Cat; and of course dig deep into the internet for the true tale on how and why ‘climate change’ has become the scam that it is.

    We, the Australian people, are sick to death of it.

    Many of the Leader Lemmings heading for that cliff have already thought twice and turned back.
    They may still be talking the talk but they are certainly not walking the Lemming walk anymore.
    Join them ScoMo before Mal’s legacy takes your Prime Ministership irredemiably over The Gap.

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    imate science evolved from the geography departments, not hard science departments.

    We are dealing with religion.

    +1, well said.

    Geography evolved into ‘ecological studies’.
    A grab-bag mixture of biology, zoology, meteorology, earth sciences and anthropology.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Forgot to add. All stirred in a pot of profit-hating Neo-Marxism and Green Religion.

  30. mh

    MSNBC’S EDDIE GLAUDE LAUGHS AT MURDER OF WHITE FARMERS IN SOUTH AFRICA

    “I think two of them, perhaps, might have been killed in some instance…”

    https://www.infowars.com/msnbcs-eddie-glaude-laughs-at-murder-of-white-farmers-in-south-africa/

  31. Token

    Hey Steve, are you writing in places under a pen name “Matthew Continetti”? 😉

    I spotted this on Instapundit:

    What Cohen and Omarosa learned from Trump is that, whether it is true or not, the media will latch on to a hyperbolic statement just for its sensationalistic value. They were also taught that the very utterance of a hair-raising accusation shifts the playing field in favor of the accuser. And Daniels’s attorney, Michael Avenatti, has internalized both of these lessons. At first, one is inclined to dismiss Avenatti as a silly and ineffectual attention-seeker. Then one realizes that, in our celebrity culture, there is a Say’s Law of fame. It creates its own demand.

    Read the article. It suggests politicians must embrace the worst of pop culture to get past the medja. Can anyone see this working in Australia?

  32. Blair

    “Turnbull’s center-right Liberal party had pledged to reduce emissions”
    When and where was Turnbull’s center-right Liberal party formed? And when did its members pledge to reduce emissions?

  33. Old Irrelevant me

    The Earth has a heart beat like interglacial pattern. We are if we study a graphs shown to be sitting at the very end of an interglacial Period, when it ends it will plummet like it has every other time. What hasn’t been clearly forecast because it got all political, was whether we can extend the tipping point to make it a plateau. By terraforming (deforestation) we have changed the heat uptake and reflection of the land that is our island. By adding co2 in the increase from 300 to 400ppm have we extended the decline point? Have we made it a plateau will our time, to show a mesa line on the planets heart beat? Pity we have no idea. That may be of real importance. Could we extend it for a thousand years? could we have extended it for ten thousand years. What would our timeline look like at 600 or 800ppm if we were to move carbon up the % scale?

  34. Glen Turner

    It is great to watch the anti science dummies in the LNP tear themselves apart as they battle with the twisted logic of their lies. Can’t wait to see the ALP in power, reducing the scope of negative gearing and increasing the capital gains tax. And increasing our greenhouse gas reduction target to 50%. I love winning and being correct in everything. I will never be sick of winning or rubbing LNP noses in the mire! The majority of Aussies are with me by the looks of it too.

  35. Entropy

    Geography evolved into ‘ecological studies’.
    A grab-bag mixture of biology, zoology, meteorology, earth sciences and anthropology

    National curriculum subjects: Geographics and Big Ideas.

    Atomise the population to make it easier to control it, comrades!

  36. Entropy

    I don’t think you comprehend the people on this blog, young Glen. They despise the LNP too.

  37. John Michelmore

    I have three questions for Glen since he is obviously a science guru and correct in everything and I’ve been waiting for someone capable of answering this queries.
    1) What exact proportion of climte change is anthropogenic?
    2) Assumming Australia reaches a 50percent greenhouse gas reduction target how much will the worlds temperature decrease.
    3) Can Australia afford to be one of the global guinea pigs in greenhouse gas reduction while most of the rest of the world are moving in the opposite direction eg coal fired power stations being installed in India and China, and the US pulling out of the Paris accord.

  38. .

    Glen Turner
    #2801659, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:10 am

    It is great to watch the anti science dummies in the LNP tear themselves apart as they battle with the twisted logic of their lies. Can’t wait to see the ALP in power, reducing the scope of negative gearing and increasing the capital gains tax. And increasing our greenhouse gas reduction target to 50%. I love winning and being correct in everything. I will never be sick of winning or rubbing LNP noses in the mire! The majority of Aussies are with me by the looks of it too.

    LOL

    Genuine conservatives and libertarians would not be seen dead in the LNP.

    If you want to discuss the cointegration modelling of climate, I’m all ears. I’m also interested in your take on the Brillouin Energy development of small-scale fusion and the Lockheed Martin patent application for a small scale, tokamak free megwatt level fusion reactor.

  39. RobK

    Glen,
    And increasing our greenhouse gas reduction target to 50%. I love winning and being correct in everything. I will never be sick of winning or rubbing LNP noses in the mire!

    Winning like Venezuela!

  40. cohenite

    Louis Hissink

    #2801355, posted on August 25, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    The problem is too many “scientists”, pc education, and ignorance.

    Hi Louis, don’t forget power, prestige and money. Nothing good is propping up alarmism.

  41. cohenite

    Glen Turner
    #2801659, posted on August 26, 2018 at 8:10 am

    He’s taking the piss surely; no one could be that stupid. Oh wait.

  42. Kneel

    1) What exact proportion of climte change is anthropogenic?

    According to NASA GISS, 120+%

    2) Assumming Australia reaches a 50percent greenhouse gas reduction target how much will the worlds temperature decrease.

    Five sixths of 3 quarters of FA.

    3) Can Australia afford to be one of the global guinea pigs in greenhouse gas reduction while most of the rest of the world are moving in the opposite direction eg coal fired power stations being installed in India and China, and the US pulling out of the Paris accord.

    We can’t afford to be “left behind” – that’s what they keep telling us. You know – “it’s the future!” etc.

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