Wednesday Forum: August 29, 2018

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  1. Boambee John

    Took a few days on the NSW Central Coadt this week.

    A couple of flyers stuck up on shop windows advertised something about Conversations about Conversations. Show is an interview with Richard Fidler, who IIRC hosts a show on Their ABC called something like In Conversation With Richard Fidler.

    Stone the crows, the photo looked like a clone of the former unlamented Army chief David Morrison!

  2. Frank

    Games playing is excusable in small children.

    It can seem profoundly frivolous when you see adults in raptures over it, depressing too. Computers in general seem to rob you of a life, I remember when people use to do things. When they weren’t they used to read books with ideas in them that took longer than 140 characters to express.

  3. Frank

    That being said, get a Mac. The trackpad is much better and if you are going to be chained to the thing it is better to have it be nice.

  4. Boambee John

    Infidel Tiger
    #2806700, posted on August 31, 2018 at 7:25 pm
    More banned words at The Australian: cultural genocide.

    Can’t have the proles being told what the self-selected, so-called “elites” have in store for them.

  5. Delta A

    When they weren’t they used to read books with ideas in them that took longer than 140 characters to express.

    And some of them even wrote books.

  6. Boambee John

    To horrifying to leave at the end of the previouscpage. Someone is cloning our worst nightmare!

    Took a few days on the NSW Central Coast this week.

    A couple of flyers stuck up on shop windows advertised something about Conversations about Conversations. Show is an interview with Richard Fidler, who IIRC hosts a show on Their ABC called something like In Conversation With Richard Fidler.

    Stone the crows, the photo looked like a clone of the former unlamented Army chief David Morrison!

  7. DrBeauGan

    Mathematics is so grey and staid.

    You obviously haven’t done any. I expect you are confusing it with sums.

  8. C.L.

    WashPost: ‘Conservative Catholic Media’ Trying to Take Down Pope
    ——————
    This is making me quite giddy. Only yesterday, the Left could find no crime more heinous than child abuse, and now it’s Conservatives who are undermining a Pope who is a bit shaky on this very issue.

    The media are the enemy of the people. The sinister manipulations we see on a daily basis – this person sandbagged, this one demolished; all according to whether or they pay tribute to leftism – is making a continuation of civilisation in this century impossible. It’s that pernicious. Trump really has become the Leader of the Free World (meaning, what remains of it).

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    I stopped after ODEs. Top maths until then. Chemistry was more messy and interesting. 😀

  10. DrBeauGan

    You obviously haven’t done any. I expect you are confusing it with sums.

    Still, this is better than Stimpy, who thinks that higher mathematics is counting up to more than twenty.

  11. DrBeauGan

    Chemistry was more messy and interesting.

    Too many damned names to remember.

  12. calli

    I posted that a couple days ago, C.L. Hilarious.

    It’s well worth a reprise! 🤣

  13. C.L.

    Correction:

    The media are the enemy of the people. The sinister manipulations we see on a daily basis – this person sandbagged, this one demolished; all according to whether or not they pay tribute to leftism – are making a continuation of civilisation in this century impossible. It’s that pernicious. Trump really has become the Leader of the Free World (meaning: what remains of it).

  14. C.L.

    Calli, I made it earlier in the week.
    Sinclair can’t dial it up for some reason – so no main page embed possible.

  15. None

    Morrison’s “dear friend” whose proudest achievements were Mr Morrison include the “Snowy Hydro 2.0 scheme and Western Sydney Airport.” The former a brain fart that really is a cover for nationalising water (a poison pill ready to be used by greenies against farmers) and WSA doesn’t exist. Didn’t TA secure approval of Badgery’s Creek?

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    Won a place at maths summer school at ANU ‘way back when.
    The lectures were interesting.
    But I spent most of the time playing bridge.
    Which I’d only known from books.
    An unheard of marvel in a country high school.

  17. None

    Ha ha I wondered the other week, right here on this blog, if someone was going to make the new episode featuring Turnbull. Thanks, C.L.

  18. Gab

    “Pyne’s Pansy Division” is classic!

  19. Cpt Seahawks

    Man I’m going to be Kraken2.0 when I call Optus about my service again tonight, being the fact I can’t make calls due to there being a “job online” that has taken 23 days to finalise. So many brain dead LGBtqwerty little f$’s to abuse, so little time.

  20. calli

    Oh, C.L.! It’s a different one on the same platform.

    Downfall is the gift that just keeps giving. Well done!

  21. John Constantine

    Little bit in the media about the visa holding Australian resident university diversity employee done for having phantasies in his notebook about getting rid of turnbull and bishop and the opera house.

    Given that at a rough stab well over ten percent of the military age male population of Australia is in the country on visas, catching just one doing a domestic terror plot doesn’t seem like much of a strike rate.

    Big legacy that one from turnbull, the million extra visa holders. who knows how that will turn out.

  22. None

    They’ve reached the pantry, between Marise Payne’s suite and Laurie Oakes’ old office.

    HAHA

  23. None

    I’ll die with him, Niki. Me first, Miranda.

    LOOOOOOOOOL

  24. DrBeauGan

    But I spent most of the time playing bridge.

    Obviously the beginning of your downfall.

    I am Ok with the periodic table up to neon. Ten out of a hundred and counting isn’t very good, I know, but after neon, far too many of them ended in ium. I am particularly fond of sulphur, partly because it doesn’t end in ium, partly because it is such a nice colour.

  25. DrBeauGan

    Little bit in the media about the visa holding Australian resident university diversity employee done for having phantasies in his notebook about getting rid of turnbull and bishop and the opera house.

    An estimable ambition.

  26. I can’t seem to see that Downfall video.

  27. candy

    ha ha , the two sobbing ladies:

    “I’ll die with him, Nikki”
    “Me first, Miranda!”

    brilliant.

  28. Death Giraffe

    cabinet for my docs and my large collection of Nigella pics.

    ..
    You’ll need an ultra wide screen then to properly view that fat tart.

  29. candy

    You are much faster typist than me, None.

    How spooky it is that this video is almost perfect for Rudd’s downfall. Just change the names!

  30. C.L.

    Where is the earlier one, Calli?

  31. John Constantine

    If the definition of domestic terrorism is scribbling a rough screenplay featuring the heroic and splattery and irreversible endings of their turnbullites, their Gulags are going to be rather crowded.

    Wonder if they will let us play bridge at the re-education camps?.

  32. Delta A

    That would be, ‘Dr BG’.

    But he knew that.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    I am particularly fond of sulphur

    Me too. Nice valences. Lots of my work has been with sulfur.

  34. JC

    The media are the enemy of the people. The sinister manipulations we see on a daily basis – this person sandbagged, this one demolished; all according to whether or not they pay tribute to leftism – are making a continuation of civilisation in this century impossible. It’s that pernicious. Trump really has become the Leader of the Free World (meaning: what remains of it).

    This is the worrying thing. There’s just one dude in the world, with his finger plugging the hole and they’re trying to remove him from office.

  35. JC

    It’s truly awesome watching markets and innovation work their magic.

    When George W. Bush signed legislation in 2007 to subsidize and mandate the production of biofuels, he cited the urgent need to liberate America from “long-term” dependence on “oil from foreign lands.” Turns out there was an easier, much less expensive way: drill, baby, drill.

    The Energy Information Administration announced this month that the port district of Houston-Galveston began exporting more crude oil than it imported for the first time. Houston-Galveston exports in April surpassed imports by 15,000 barrels a day, and by May the difference had grown to 470,000 barrels a day. That port district handles more than half of all U.S. crude exports, which hit a record of two million barrels a day in May.

    The export boom is testament to U.S. ingenuity that has driven rapid advances in hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling, especially in shale rock. The breakthroughs have lowered drilling costs and put Texas’s Permian Basin at the center of an oil-and-gas drilling revolution that will next year see the state producing more oil than either Iraq or Iran.

    Washington also gets credit for removing regulatory hurdles like the oil export ban. Republican leaders in Congress took flak in 2015 for agreeing to extend green-energy subsidies for a few years in return for Barack Obama’s signature on a statutory end to the 40-year-old export ban.

    Some conservative pressure groups derided the policy trade as a sellout while liberals complained that ending the ban would serve Big Oil. The real beneficiaries are workers, investors and the overall economy, as well as greater flexibility in foreign policy as the U.S. is less vulnerable to authoritarian oil exporters.

    The U.S. is unlikely to be a net oil exporter soon, since American refineries require heavy crude from abroad. Shale drillers produce lighter grades. But the gap between imports and exports shrank in 2017 to a 24-year low of 6.8 million barrels a day from more than nine million in 2012. The lesson is that American invention and entrepreneurship remain indomitable—when government gets out of the way.

  36. calli

    This was the one C.L. Posted last Sunday.

  37. DrBeauGan

    Delta A
    #2806748, posted on August 31, 2018 at 8:04 pm
    Practise, Dr GB.

    You just need the right key.

    I have a very bad memory, ∆. I have been trained to perform my morning ablutions and dress myself. After that, I read the monogram on my shirt, and deduce everything else.

  38. None

    Agree JC.
    I was talking to an American at a dinner late last year and remarked how I was totally in awe of the American economy WHEN IT IS UNLEASHED. America is really a nation of entrepeneurs (unlike us; we have some, increasingly fewer, good businessmen but very very very few true entrepeneurs) and innovation. He just staired at me dumbfounded (he was a lefty academic after all)

  39. Elle

    Nigella is fat? Arky! Far from it. If you don’t like ample, boobage, then maybe. She ain’t a fatty though.

  40. After that, I read the monogram on my shirt, and deduce everything else.

    So, where do your undies end up?

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Best time with sulfur was in the NT.
    We were restarting a copper concentrate roaster.
    I was a vacation student.
    It was summer. Didn’t go below 38 C at midnight for 6 weeks. I had a liquid crystal thermometer on my clock radio, it was fascinating, especially since the dinky water cooler on the SMQs didn’t work.
    Anyway, we were starting up the roaster and the commissioning metallurgist got impatient.
    He wanted to make it go faster.
    So he dumped several tonnes of sulfur into the roaster.
    Fortunately they’d taken the top off the primary cyclone in the gas handling system.
    I happened to be looking at the plant at the time.
    The sulfur turned to gas, went up through the gas system, out the top of the cyclone, hit mk 1 atmosphere and exploded in the sweetest ball of blue fire 10 m in diameter. Magnificent!
    The rest of the gaseous sulfur then condensed in the gas cooling system.
    Liquefied and ran down into all the tanks and whatnot.
    And froze.
    My job the next day was to break the 10cm thick layer of solid frozen sulfur out of the scrubber water tank.
    With a crowbar.
    Needless to say the plant met didn’t try that stunt again.

  42. .

    The Tokamak Corp, Brillouin, Wendlestein 7X and Lockheed Martin are all making progress in fusion.

    Then we have Hydrogen/Boron 11 experimental designs which will have no(?) neutron by-products.

    If the fracking revolution gets you excited, then you’re in for a bright future.

  43. Habib

    Is there anything better than a commie product granted by a socialist government being smoked by a skilful practioner in a free world product, that was supposed to be obsolete?

    https://www.aerosociety.com/news/sea-fury-vs-mig-15-the-true-story/

  44. Oh, phooey!

    I did the ∆ thingy to reply to Beaugy and now I’m in moderation.

    No Biggie.

    I merely wondered where – having read the monogram on his shirt and deducing everything else – his undies ended up.

  45. My sister is watching a cooking show on the Telly. The stuff is put in a hot oven for 15 minutes.
    Who the hell can afford to heat and run an oven for eight bite size pies?

  46. Delta A

    Oh, phooey!

    I did the ∆ thingy to reply to Beaugy and now I’m in moderation.

    No Biggie.

    I merely wondered where – having read the monogram on his shirt and deducing everything else – his undies ended up.

  47. Frank

    Who the hell can afford to heat and run an oven for eight bite size pies?

    Same sort of extravagant bastards that ostentatiously turn the lights on at night to indicate their level of affluence.

  48. Pedro the Ignorant

    The new laptop is a Macbook Pro 13 inch with Retina display.

    Bright , shiny, tres cool. Expensive, but seeing it is used for work the ATO can pay for part of it.

    Easy to set up and do the data transfer, the display is very impressive.

    Not as impressive as the huge mound of dirt I am looking at while nursing a cold beer. Dirt possibly worth $A20 million.

    A long way from the Canberra bullshit, and nobody out here really gives a rat’s ring who is sitting in the top chair.

    Early night and a long trip tomorrow, play nice Cats, and best wishes to all you Dads for Sunday, may you be blessed with a burnt brekkie and a heap of sox and jocks.

    I would swap the big pile of dirt to get the same.

  49. pete m

    Cohenite is wrong.

    JC asked for law requiring someone who witnessed a crime to be forced to report it.

    Suspecting child abuse is not witnessing a crime but the possible result of a crime.

    Same as seeing your poor neighbours suddenly turning their house into a mansion from drug dealing.

    This is different to confessional matters.

    No obligation on anyone to report someone who has confessed to a crime. Even off duty police are not so compelled.

  50. candy

    Mr Morrison well remembers how much his predecessor liked to talk about love.

    “Well, mate, love’s coming right back at you Malcolm, and I want to wish all the best to you and the time that you’re going to have with your family. You deserve that mate, you absolutely deserve that. You’ve served our country well, and on behalf of our country as prime minister, I just want to say thanks.””.

    either Scott Morrison is having a lend or it’s happy clappy nonsense.

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Not as impressive as the huge mound of dirt I am looking at while nursing a cold beer. Dirt possibly worth $A20 million.

    Dirt is nice, especially when it has yummy stuff in it.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    This is the worrying thing. There’s just one dude in the world, with his finger plugging the hole and they’re trying to remove him from office.

    Not true. Trump is a complete faggot compared to Orban.

    I am prepared to move to Hungary on Australia’s current trajectory.

  53. Great vids, CL. Someone get them on youtube, pronto.

  54. 2dogs

    Since when has any citizen, let alone a priest, been expected under to snitch under Australian law?

    This used to be the common law offence of “misprison of felony”, but it is no longer a crime in most Australian jurisdictions. The replacing statutes in most states made it only an offence to not report a crime if you received a bribe for not doing so.

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Nigella is fat? Arky! Far from it. If you don’t like ample, boobage, then maybe. She ain’t a fatty though.

    If I was single I would love to get coked off my dial with Nigella and demolish her self saucing pudding.

  56. Oh come on

    Mr Morrison well remembers how much his predecessor liked to talk about love.

    “Well, mate, love’s coming right back at you Malcolm,

    When did Morro say this? Was it before or after Shorten farewelled Trumble and made the same point about Trumble crapping on about love a lot? If before, Morro has a shot at successfully facing an election as the incumbent PM, because Shorten is so shit that he’s pinching Morro’s lines. If after, Morro is pinching Shorten’s lines, in which case Morro objectively sucks and let’s hope for a Labor victory.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    I am prepared to move to Hungary on Australia’s current trajectory.

    Is Hungary.
    Is good.
    You will like.

  58. C.L.

    I only did one, Dover – “Malcolm Turnbull: The Downfall.”
    Don’t know who did the other one.

    ———————————–

    … a classic air combat encounter from the Korean War in 1952 – where Royal Navy Sea Fury piston-engine fighters shot down a North Korean MiG-15 jet…

    Pretty amazing.
    Would I be right in assuming the Fury was much more able to buzz around on a (sky) dime?

  59. areff

    Nigella’s ratings would soar were she to rattle skillets in the traditional kitchen attire of the Burning Sands.

    http://www.pictorem.com/85280/A%20Harem%20Beauty.html

    Elle is correct. She’s a hotty.

  60. Habib

    Sea Fury was the fastest piston- powered aircraft ever built, it Hawker swiped a lot of design from the FW190. Word is an 82 Sqn P51 smoked a Mig 15 in their first encounter. They went toSoviet pilots after losses.

  61. Mark A

    Elle
    #2806768, posted on August 31, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Or maybe you’re attracted to stick insects. Ewww

    My God is she who I think she is?
    You have to feel sorry for her.

  62. Gary

    Thanks Pedro. Rest up and safe trip.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Still, this is better than Stimpy, who thinks that higher mathematics is counting up to more than twenty.

    It f$cking is.
    Facts don’t care about your feelings.

  64. @TuckerCarlson
    Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world. Many of his employees are so poor, you’re paying their welfare benefits. And he’s not the only tech billionaire offloading his payroll costs onto taxpayers. This is an indefensible scam. Why is only Bernie talking about it?

    Tucker Carlson straight up advocating for communism, LOL. The slack-jawed buffoon.

  65. cohenite

    Cohenite is wrong.

    JC asked for law requiring someone who witnessed a crime to be forced to report it.

    Suspecting child abuse is not witnessing a crime but the possible result of a crime.

    Tell us pete, what the requirement is if you witness child abuse.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    Monty shilling for corporatism.

    Buffoon.

  67. Habib

    Just watched “Dunkirk” to the end. What a complete load of cobblers. I expect the upcoming abomination about Long Tan to be equally cretinous and insulting.

  68. Habib

    An ME109 was a dive bombwe, shot down by no AAA. No wonder the hun lost the bloody war.

  69. Snoopy

    Tucker Carlson straight up advocating for communism, LOL. The slack-jawed buffoon.

    RUOK Monts? Have you been screened for early onset dementia?

  70. Monty shilling for corporatism.

    I’m not surprised.

  71. notafan

    Interesting iirc that the young woman who remained in the apartment when Joe Cinque’s girlfriend was murdering him was not charged.

    Has the law been changed?

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I expect the upcoming abomination about Long Tan to be equally cretinous and insulting.

    Makes two of us.

  73. cohenite

    It irks that this bastard is out and about:

    Volkert van der Graaf

  74. Entropy

    Tell us pete, what the requirement is if you witness child abuse.

    Take a large link chain and beat the prick senseless with it?

  75. Frank

    @TuckerCarlson
    Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world. Many of his employees are so poor, you’re paying their welfare benefits. And he’s not the only tech billionaire offloading his payroll costs onto taxpayers. This is an indefensible scam. Why is only Bernie talking about it?

    Would that be healthcare costs?

  76. Infidel Tiger

    Would that be healthcare costs?

    Food stamps etc.

    It’s a sick joke.

    We need to smash the corporatist state.

  77. H B Bear

    The U.S. government has decided to stop all funding it gives to a United Nations agency that provides assistance to millions of Palestinian refugees, ending a decades-long policy

    The Donald is a machine. So much winning. That is gonna be tough on Hamas leaders who were looking at a nice property in Chelsea or Dubai on retirement after a couple of decades of aid skimming.

  78. JC

    Artie:

    There’s a good lesson here that’s classic liberalism at it’s best.

    A business should only pay market determined labor rates. It’s the responsibility of the taxpayer/government if people believe someone should receive more money than what they are paid from their employer. It’s also a little dishonest, because people at much higher levels of income receive government assistance.

    Bezos is not doing anything wrong.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Fuxk off JC. The corporatist arseholes now control government and have rigged the immigration scam so that there is a limitless supply of labour.

    This is anti-capitalism. This is corporatism. No country on earth is more beholden to the donor class and the corporate scum than america and we are well on the way to following their mistake.

    Amazon should burn. They all must burn.

  80. JC

    Exactly, Trump has morphed by supporting traditional conservatives positions. This is why I support him overall.

    It makes a mockery of idiots here who started off with Trump ignoring all his previous appalling positions which were essentially D’rat.

    With each new controversy, Donald Trump’s opponents plead with Republicans to denounce him. Hasn’t Mr. Trump broken from GOP orthodoxy on free trade, immigration and entitlement reform? Not to mention the personal scandals and the never-ending tweets. Why do Republican leaders hesitate to rebuke him?

    A shallow answer is politics: Sens. Jeff Flake and Bob Corker both tangled with Mr. Trump, and it turned out to be political suicide. But to get a deeper answer, it’s instructive to examine what Mr. Trump hasn’t done. Since the campaign, Mr. Trump has abandoned many of his previous positions and embraced traditional conservative views.

    • Spending and taxes. During the election, Mr. Trump promised a $1 trillion infrastructure plan. Some Republicans feared his first initiative on taking office would be a pork-laden spending package reminiscent of Barack Obama’s stimulus bill. They also worried he would cut a deal with Democrats to raise taxes. “I am willing to pay more,” Mr. Trump said in May 2016. “And do you know what? The wealthy are willing to pay more.” Instead, the reverse happened: There’s no infrastructure plan in sight, except for the border wall, and Mr. Trump signed a sweeping bill to reduce personal and corporate taxes.

    • Court nominees. In 2015 candidate Trump said his sister, a liberal federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice, though he claimed he had been joking. After Justice Antonin Scalia died, Mr. Trump decided to release a list of potential replacements. This was a central reason many conservatives voted for him. In appointing Justice Neil Gorsuch, President Trump made good on his promise. Since then, constitutionalists have cheered the quality and sheer quantity of his appointments to all levels of the judiciary.

    • Abortion. In a successful effort to win the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Ted Cruz attacked Mr. Trump’s “New York values.” A Cruz TV ad showed Mr. Trump years earlier calling himself “pro-choice in every respect.” Yet President Trump has reinstated Reagan’s “Mexico City policy,” which prohibits federal funds from going to international groups that provide or promote abortions. Mr. Trump is also moving to require a hard division between abortion providers and clinics that take federal Title X funds, which would be a significant hit to Planned Parenthood.

    • Israel. In February 2016, Mr. Trump claimed he would not take sides between Israel and the Palestinians, saying he would be “sort of a neutral guy.” Sen. Marco Rubio labeled this “an anti-Israel position.” Yet in December 2016, when the United Nations considered a resolution calling for an end to Israeli settlements, including in East Jerusalem, Mr. Trump said it was “extremely unfair to all Israelis” and pressed the Obama administration to veto it. Then this year Mr. Trump made good on his promise to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the U.S. Embassy there. Time and again, he has proved to be a reliable ally for Israel.

    • Guns. In a 2000 book, Mr. Trump wrote: “I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.” After the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., earlier this year, President Trump did briefly suggest expanding background checks and raising the age limit to buy certain guns. But he quickly reverted to strong Second Amendment rhetoric, while saying that massacres could be prevented by fixing mental-health services and arming teachers.

    • Health care. In 2015, candidate Trump told “60 Minutes” that his plan would provide universal health coverage paid for by the government. “I am going to take care of everybody,” he said. Campaigning in New Hampshire a few months later, he said Medicare could save an unrealistic $300 billion if the government negotiated with drug companies to lower prices. But as president, Mr. Trump has pursued more-conventional Republican policies, such as adding work requirements to Medicaid, expanding short-term insurance plans, and broadening association health plans.

    • Defense. In a 2013 interview, Mr. Trump seemingly supported the sequestration cuts to defense spending—only complaining that, as “a very small percentage of the cuts that should be made,” sequestration wasn’t big enough. In 2015 he suggested, unworkably, that by eliminating waste he could strengthen the military while still reducing spending. Yet in his first address to Congress as president, he proposed a 10% increase to the Pentagon’s budget, which he later called “historic.”

    It isn’t unusual for a politician to change positions. Unsurprisingly, voters tend to be more forgiving of flip-flops when they agree with the final result. This explains why Mr. Trump is forgiven for abandoning Republican orthodoxy on free trade and entitlement reform: those convictions were always held more by donors than voters. The same is true of support for “comprehensive immigration reform.” If he were to cross his party on issues like taxes, abortion or guns, it would be quite another story. But in the meantime, begging Republicans to ditch Mr. Trump is a waste of time

  81. H B Bear

    On this ALPFL free Friday night lets take a minute to condemn Ross Lyon, the most over-rated coach since Mick Malthouse, whose bullsh1t last round antics on the way to leading Freo to a Grand Final loss before they collapsed into the running joke they have always been, was responsible for the bye. Utter fvckwit.

  82. 132andBush

    I’ll die with him, Niki. Me first, Miranda.

    Hahahahaha!
    Great stuff, CL

  83. Snoopy

    The taxpayer should not assist gullible fools who choose to work for less than subsistence wages for Amazon in the mistaken belief that its only a matter of time before they share in Amazon’s wealth. That is anti market and certainly not libertarianism.

  84. pete m

    Cone nite

    That section says if you suspect something during course of your work you report it to the secretary (not police).

    So, no mandatory police reporting of a crime.

    Try again

  85. JC

    Here’s someone who really understands how markets work. A credit to a free market libertarian site.

    Snoopy
    #2806814, posted on August 31, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    The taxpayer should not assist gullible fools who choose to work for less than subsistence wages for Amazon in the mistaken belief that its only a matter of time before they share in Amazon’s wealth. That is anti market and certainly not libertarianism.

    Lol.

    FMD.

    “snoopy”, fuck off back to Bolt’s site as you’re a fucking embarrassment, you clown.

  86. Infidel Tiger

    Income tax cuts are great.

    Corporate tax cuts are a huge mistake.

    We should be doubling corporate taxes until they cease and desist from being political operatives.

  87. 132andBush

    Ok, that line’s not from CL.

    “what’s Lucy going to do for a hobby?” LOL

    Both are spot on.

  88. JC

    Artie:

    It’s not Amazon’s responsibility to pay wages higher than what the market determines is the clearing rate. In fact they would be doing a disservice to their shareholders.

    If you believe wages are being held back because of immigration then turn off the immigration tap. Your vote is equal to Bezos.

    Again, if you believe in the living wage then the differential should be paid by the government and not an employer.

  89. One of the funniest lines in the vids was about Malcolm having to atone to Lucy by donating to African children, in Melbourne, he thinks.

  90. Snoopy

    Jo Jo Zip please explain how the market will cause Amazon to pay market wages for so long as the taxpayer is subsidising Bezos’s payroll?

  91. JC

    Amazon posts a job ad for say 40K plus benefits. They receive 2000 applications. Is anyone here positing the view that next time around Amazon should actually post the same job at a higher rate? Like really?

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Artie:

    It’s not Amazon’s responsibility to pay wages higher than what the market determines is the clearing rate. In fact they would be doing a disservice to their shareholders.

    Hard to see why why we live in a divided society where people feel excluded with this thinking.

    Won’t end well! Very sick stuff!

  93. John Constantine

    MGV Musgrave announce a ‘beautiful set of numbers’.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180831/pdf/43xwzfm7df2lbj.pdf

    For a small company that has been careful and methodical without setting the asx on fire, this announcement today of good average grade of gold over 40 meters of intercept will get the punters looking, but of course nobody gambles on a Friday afternoon.

    More drilling, if they can unstick the drillbit, and mine from the cap raise are tucked away now for a bit of a wait.

    New gold prospects aren’t a dime a dozen anymore, pity about the market being a bit difficult on small miners nowadays, even those with stories.

    Not a tip, but worth watching.

  94. JC

    Jo Jo Zip please explain how the market will cause Amazon to pay market wages for so long as the taxpayer is subsidising Bezos’s payroll?

    Explain to you? Fuck off.

    You need to explain why employers need to pay higher rates than the market clearing rate.

    GO!

    In fact don’t even bother. Just fuck off back to bolt’s.

  95. Snoopy

    Jo Jo Zip must have been tormented in Europe looking at all the MENA and South Asian immigrants and realising that none of them had passed through SYD.

  96. JC

    Hard to see why why we live in a divided society where people feel excluded with this thinking.

    Won’t end well! Very sick stuff!

    Seriously, that’s a motherhood statement.

    Let me ask you. The guiding principle in any job situation is that you want to attract the most talented person for the job, who will stay on for a long time at the lowest possible rate. What is Amazon doing that’s different?

  97. Frank

    The reason I wondered about healthcare is that it was customary to get some form with employment prior to Obamacare. But things may have changed, not really up with the US system.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    Keep it up.

    We’ve already seen the forgotten men elect Trump.

    Wait and see what happens if he fails to correct the societal imbalance created by the corporatist state.

    There’s some duxking bad shit coming and the corporatist shills deserve the agonising deaths they are getting.

  99. JC

    Frank

    Poor people in the US go on Medicaid. Healthcare insurance in the US is unnecessarily complex and fascist.

  100. JC

    Wait and see what happens if he fails to correct the societal imbalance created by the corporatist state.

    What social imbalance us there? We’re not as rich as Bill Gates? Big deal.

    There’s some duxking bad shit coming and the corporatist shills deserve the agonising deaths they are getting.

    The hard left are coming? that may be true, but that’s not Amazon’s fault.

  101. Snoopy

    You need to explain why employers need to pay higher rates than the market clearing rate.

    Explain why employers should not pay the clearing rate.

  102. cohenite

    Try again

    So a legal requirement to report to the secretary/Department of Family and Community Services is not mandatory because it is not to the police.

    That’s quaint. Are you serious or just trolling on behalf of the head prefect.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    This is simple stuff.

    If you Think there is justification for a man to be worth $150bn and run a $1.5trillion company while employing staff who can’t live without welfare then you are a xunt who deserves the brutal death and r&ping coming your way.

    This ain’t communism this is basic civilisational shit.

  104. JC

    People are being hoodwinked into believing US real income isn’t growing. It is. Same slope since 1960.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

    Now there may be a case that the bottom quintile has been doing so well for the past decade or so, but that’s not Amazon’s fault. The fault has been on previous administrations allowing almost free access through the southern border.

  105. Snoopy

    Jo Jo Zip hates government spending but is absolutely cool with taxpayers topping up corporates’ wages to subsistence level.

  106. .

    People are being hoodwinked into believing US real income isn’t growing. It is. Same slope since 1960.

    Lefty economists pumped this BS out during Obama’s period to try and promote a Piketty-esque total slide into socialism.

    Their data was utter crap, the idea is based on a lie.

  107. Frank

    If you Think there is justification for a man to be worth $150bn and run a $1.5trillion company while employing staff who can’t live without welfare then you are a xunt who deserves the brutal death and r&ping coming your way.

    Perhaps a little bit overwrought there. More importantly, does the r&ping come post mortem, or before?

  108. JC

    This is simple stuff.

    If you Think there is justification for a man to be worth $150bn and run a $1.5trillion company while employing staff who can’t live without welfare then you are a xunt who deserves the brutal death and r&ping coming your way.

    This ain’t communism this is basic civilisational shit.

    You don’t realize this is fake news about Amazon, right? Income support schemes either through the tax system or through schemes such as food stamps have been around decades over decades.

    The US has always taken the view that the market should determine wage rates to a large extent (US minimum wage is usually below the clearing rate) and any determination in terms of what the “living wage” is
    met by government handouts.

    That’s a far better system than we have, which causes unnecessarily high unemployment by having some of the highest wage rates in the world.

  109. Bruce in WA

    Was at Duxford in Britain a few years back. They started up a Sea Fury on the hardstand while we were there. From 50 metres away, each exhaust “pulse” was like a slap, inside your chest. The power was just unbelievable.

  110. Snoopy

    The US has always taken the view that the market should determine wage rates to a large extent (US minimum wage is usually below the clearing rate) and any determination in terms of what the “living wage” is
    met by government handouts.

    Illegal immigration. Explained.

    The beneficiaries don’t pay the cost.

  111. JC

    cohenite
    #2806843, posted on August 31, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Try again

    So a legal requirement to report to the secretary/Department of Family and Community Services is not mandatory because it is not to the police.

    That’s quaint. Are you serious or just trolling on behalf of the head prefect.

    “clearing rate” doesn’t mean what you think it means, you imbecile…. you textorialist.
    Clearing rate means the price level close to the equilibrium price. You’d see that in any 11th grade textbook*. It’s the optimum price where buyers and sellers meet and exchange.

    Now back to Bolt’s. GO!

    * Textbook… not a book explaining how to text.

  112. Oh come on

    It is kind of funny (and pathetic) that m0nty!!! is chewing out Tucker Carlson for having a go at Jeff Bezos.

    In general, we all know m0nty!!! wouldn’t give a rat’s about Jeff Bezos, Tucker Carlson, what Jeff Bezos thinks about Tucker Carlson or what Tucker Carlson thinks about Jeff Bezos.

    But it’s true that Bezos is a Trump dart board (rightly or wrongly). Therefore, the enemy of my enemy logic kicks into action in m0nty!!!’s meagre mental faculties, and consequently Tucker Carlson becomes a m0nty!!! target for criticising a Trump target.

    Amazing what tricks Trump can get m0nty!!! to perform. Quite sad, too. Trump evidently owns m0nty!!!’s mind.

  113. JC

    Illegal immigration. Explained.

    The beneficiaries don’t pay the cost.

    The sharpest mind at Catallaxy and regrettably he’s going back to Bolt’s blog. Sad.

  114. JC

    Artie

    Explain this chart and it conforms to you way of thinking.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A229RX0

  115. Snoopy

    Explain this chart and it conforms to you way of thinking.

    He’s flailing. Going down for the third time.

  116. Infidel Tiger

    FME. Government stats aren’t worth a Venezuelan barer bond.

    In the real world the working class are getting hosed by corporatism.

  117. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    From 50 metres away, each exhaust “pulse” was like a slap, inside your chest. The power was just unbelievable.

    Similar experience, quite a few years ago, standing close to someone starting a P51 -D Mustang…….

  118. JC

    He’s flailing. Going down for the third time.

    Fuck , you’re useless. At least your twin, 1010, knows that about himself and avoids attitude, but you’re just fucking useless.

  119. C.L.

    I’ll die with him, Niki. Me first, Miranda.
    ———-
    Ok, that line’s not from CL.

    Yes it is.

  120. Snoopy

    Real disposable income includes welfare payments you idiot.

  121. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2806858, posted on August 31, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    FME. Government stats aren’t worth a Venezuelan barer bond.

    Okay, then devise your own and tell where the St Louis Fed is being dishonest.

    In the real world the working class are getting hosed by corporatism.

    No they aren’t. They’re doing as well as they should expect and could do better if they showed at little more desire to improve their lives.

    But again, it’s not Amazon’s fault the southern border is porous.

  122. Candy

    Quite true, IT. Folks need reasonsble wages and reasonable working conditions. That’s not socialism, it’s normal. Public servants doing fine but. It’s private sector workers, lower end, being taken for a ride, the working class.

  123. Steve trickler

    Is it possible to formulate a system that rewards an employee, who works 20% above the efficiency rate of fellow employees, all whilst doing the same job, with a higher income?

  124. C.L.

    Speaking of upcoming films, earlier this week DRUDGE claimed rave reviews for First Man (Ryan Gosling as Neil Armstrong). Then again, rave reviews (and Matt Drudge) aren’t what they used to be.

    The trailer suggests the movie about the first moon landing is actually all about Mrs Armstrong – who was a whining harpie, apparently:

  125. Snoopy

    But again, it’s not Amazon’s fault the southern border is porous.

    LOL. Bezos owns anti border security WaPo for the profits?

  126. JC

    Candy

    The minimum wage in Australia is close 20 bucks an hour. That’s 40K per year before benefits like super adding another 15%.

    How high should it be, to negate your very sturdy observation they are being taken for a ride?

  127. JC

    Snoopy
    #2806868, posted on August 31, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    But again, it’s not Amazon’s fault the southern border is porous.

    LOL. Bezos owns anti border security WaPo for the profits?

    https://blog.esrc.ac.uk/2018/02/13/why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/

  128. C.L.

    You’d have to say that the makers of First Man obviously weren’t trying to cast a lead who looked even vaguely like Neil Armstrong. Talk about suspension of disbelief.

  129. Oh come on

    Generally, I like Bezos and what he’s done, and in other circumstances I’d really like him. But his purchase of WaPo, and his subsequent tolerance of the preposterously self-important and self-serving mission statement it acquired in ‘the Trump era’ – ie Democracy Dies In Darkness – is highly suspect.

    Why buy WaPo? Why allow it to posture, alongside the NYT, as one of the house publications of the ragtag coalition that makes up the Trump Resistance?

    When Trump describes WaPo as Jeff Bezos’s blog, that critique hits home pretty hard.

  130. Confused Old Misfit

    Is it possible to formulate a system that rewards an employee, who works 20% above the efficiency rate of fellow employees, all whilst doing the same job, with a higher income?

    Yes, but really he’s doing a different job. Same functions but higher performance. Should be rewarded.

  131. Candy

    JC
    Take out 250 per week for rent and then food and putting aside money for utilities you got people never saving and maybe using credit cards. I think Aust has high personal debt still?

  132. JC

    OCO

    I think he paid 70 million for the waste of space that is now The Washington Post. I don’t think it makes any money and I’m also sure he doesn’t get that involved with it.

  133. Gab

    Apparently Neil never planted the American flag on the moon, according to the upcoming movie based on the book “First Man”.

  134. JC

    JC
    Take out 250 per week for rent and then food and putting aside money for utilities you got people never saving and maybe using credit cards. I think Aust has high personal debt still?

    I’m not taking anything out. If the fucking libs are supporting crack potpolicies to raise energy prices and increase immigration to stratospheric heights, that’s not employers taking people for a ride. That’s the government.
    Answer the question.

  135. Oh come on

    Take out 250 per week for rent and then food and putting aside money for utilities you got people never saving and maybe using credit cards.

    And how frequently do they visit Bali? Sorry but the ‘working poor’ these days aren’t that poor, relative to the ‘working poor’ when I was a kid. And the ‘working poor’ back then were better off than the ‘working poor’ when my parents were kids.

  136. cohenite

    “clearing rate” doesn’t mean what you think it means, you imbecile…. you textorialist.
    Clearing rate means the price level close to the equilibrium price. You’d see that in any 11th grade textbook*. It’s the optimum price where buyers and sellers meet and exchange.

    Now back to Bolt’s. GO!

    * Textbook… not a book explaining how to text.

    Even by your standards head prefect that is exceptional gibberish.

  137. Oh come on

    I think he paid 70 million for the waste of space that is now The Washington Post. I don’t think it makes any money and I’m also sure he doesn’t get that involved with it.

    From a commercial perspective, that doesn’t make any sense.

  138. JC

    Is it possible to formulate a system that rewards an employee, who works 20% above the efficiency rate of fellow employees, all whilst doing the same job, with a higher income?

    Totally. There are bonus plans firms set up etc. Good firms can, should and do pay their top performers at a higher rate if they are allowed to in Australia…. collective bargaining is a problem I think.

  139. Snoopy

    $250 million. But what’s $180 million?

  140. JC

    Oh come on
    #2806882, posted on August 31, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    I think he paid 70 million for the waste of space that is now The Washington Post. I don’t think it makes any money and I’m also sure he doesn’t get that involved with it.

    From a commercial perspective, that doesn’t make any sense.

    Wifey’s mad shopping spree in Rome was senseless. We’re human and not everything should and does make sense.

  141. Oh come on

    Bezos owns WaPo – and in fact threw it a lifeline – for ideological reasons. That is the most logical explanation.

  142. JC

    $250 million. But what’s $180 million?

    .12% of his net worth.

    Dude, you really are stretching trying to remake yourself as the aggrieved cat version of Snopes instead of a boring old textorialist.

  143. Oh come on

    Wifey’s mad shopping spree in Rome was senseless.

    I presume she bought the kinds of thing I expect she bought. That isn’t senseless. It doesn’t make any sense from a commercial perspective. Just like Bezos’s purchase of WaPo.

    The comparison is quite apt, really.

  144. Twostix

    ———-
    To mark the occasion … the video: Malcolm Turnbull: The Downfall.

    Lol perfect.

  145. JC

    I’m just kidding around a little, OCO. The place really has offbeat interesting stores. I also did some of that spending.

    I dunno, watching a woman get excited about freaking bed linen etc. for an hour or so has me beat. At least they had a chair where I could sit and read the nightly Cat etc. 🙂

  146. Twostix

    Bali? Sorry but the ‘working poor’ these days aren’t that poor, relative to the ‘working poor’ when I was a kid

    The working poor when you were a kid could buy a family home with one wage.

    They can’t anymore.

  147. JC

    Stix and others who may want to chime in

    Why is buying a home so important a thing, as I don’t get the rationale. It’s not economically rational.

  148. Oh come on

    It’s pretty astonishing, really. There are these storied mastheads which still have great sway over the cultural landscape being sold for relative chump change, because their business model no longer works. WaPo is a Bezos hobby. He could’ve knocked the laughably awful Democracy Dies In Darkness bullshit on the head with a single phone call. Yet he didn’t. Why not? It still remains. Why?

  149. Twostix

    You’re sounding like dot JC lately bit it’s not really you.

    You have a home. You know why.

  150. Oh come on

    The working poor when you were a kid could buy a family home with one wage.

    They can’t anymore.

    Yeah, they can. Not in a great neighbourhood, and most likely on a 200m2 block, but they can. And it’s a new build, with much better mod cons than the family home the working poor bought with one wage when I was a kid.

  151. Oh come on

    At least they had a chair where I could sit and read the nightly Cat etc. 🙂

    Not Bezos’s blog? Hehe

  152. Stimpson J. Cat

    They can’t anymore.

    You would be amazed how much money you actually have if you don’t drink, smoke, or do drugs.
    I am, literally every day.
    It’s f$cking astonishing.

  153. Twostix

    No, they can’t.

    No working class person on 70k tear can save up 30k and pay a $350,000 mortgage on one wage. Don’t be autistic.

  154. Snoopy

    Why is buying a home so important a thing, as I don’t get the rationale.

    We agree on something. You don’t get the rationale.

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    At least they had a chair where I could sit and read the nightly Cat etc. 🙂

    Don’t lie JC.
    You were reading your subscription to the New York Times.

  156. Twostix

    Sating that someone impoverish themselves paying 350k for a house on a 200sqm block one hour from the city is better off than people 30 years ago because the have aircon that they cant afford to run is the definition of autistic liberatianism.

    You better than that oco.

  157. Infidel Tiger

    Why is buying a home so important a thing, as I don’t get the rationale. It’s not economically rational.

    Are you bloody kidding?

    Property ownership is the backbone of civil society. Without anything to conserve and protect, society breaks down.

    Have you never read a history book? Are you insane?

    Do you know what renter societies look like?

    Fme.

  158. zyconoclast

    You’d have to say that the makers of First Man obviously weren’t trying to cast a lead who looked even vaguely like Neil Armstrong. Talk about suspension of disbelief.

    Just be glad he is white and a non-homo man.

  159. Twostix

    It is a certainty that the “working poor” appear wealthier than people 30 years ago, because close to 100% of the class have two adults unhappily working full time.

    This is shit and ruinous to the nation.

  160. Oh come on

    Dunno where you live Twostix but you don’t need to pay $380k for a family home (ie. 3 bed 2 bath) in a starter suburb. 250k will do it.

  161. Infidel Tiger

    Staggering.

    Trump is President and we still have xunt eyed loons promoting neo con idiocy and classical
    Liberalism brutalism.

    What will it take?

  162. JC

    Twostix
    #2806896, posted on August 31, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    You’re sounding like dot JC lately bit it’s not really you.

    You have a home. You know why.

    Sure, I can tell you why.. I think. However, in this day and age I don’t think it’s really that rational – especially in Australia.

    When growing up, Australia was a high inflation rate country and the way people thought they could protect themselves was by owning land -a house. It turned out to be one of the best investments in the western world for the past 100 years … owning Australian real estate. However, the drivers weren’t predicable after allowing for inflation. Higher immigration rates, very restrictive code and lower nominal interest rates were the factors that have driven house prices higher.

    The return, though, may not be impressive going forward if land values aren’t rising and that’s really the kicker to a large extent.

    You can rent a home at a 3% return to the landlord. When you take into account the fact that homes depreciate at the rate of ~ 2.5%, the return is unimpressive and all that’s happening is a landlord relying the appreciation of land value. Even land should be depreciated because as we all know the earth is going to be gobbled up by the sun in 3 billion years or so. Even that will be gonsky – let alone the house. 🙂

    Here’s the interesting thing… this table shows rates of home ownership.

    Switzerland, Austria and Germany have low rates of home ownership. They’ve historically been hard currency, low inflation fuckers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

  163. mh

    Do you know what renter societies look like?

    German?

  164. JC

    One last point.

    You can be a very wealthy country without having high home ownership rates.

    Personally, now I think it would be better to rent and buy stocks around the world. Let the landlord get hit with depreciation.

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    Switzerland, Austria and Germany have low rates of home ownership.

    These are all disgusting Eurotrash destined to become colonies of Wakanda.
    Who gives a f$ck how they live.

  166. Infidel Tiger

    This is the same idiocy that sees an obese poor family and thinks they must have too must scratch for food.

    The degeneracy of the corporatist class can only end one way and I welcome it. Mass slaughter of an effete bunch of wank stains.

  167. JC

    mh
    #2806911, posted on August 31, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    Do you know what renter societies look like?

    German?

    Switzerland, Austria.

    Ex’ing out Switzerland, good point though because those other fuckers seem to go on an angerified psychotic bender a few times per century.

  168. Snoopy

    Personally, now I think it would be better to rent and buy stocks around the world. Let the landlord get hit with depreciation.

    Sell up and rent or STFU.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    One last point.

    You can be a very wealthy country without having high home ownership rates.

    Personally, now I think it would be better to rent and buy stocks around the world. Let the landlord get hit with depreciation.

    My god. You are autistic.

    Life is not econometrics and graphs.

    This is serious. Time to wake up.

  170. Makka

    Was at Duxford in Britain a few years back. They started up a Sea Fury on the hardstand while we were there. From 50 metres away, each exhaust “pulse” was like a slap, inside your chest. The power was just unbelievable.

    Every time I visit the UK I make time for a visit RAF Duxford and a counterlunch at the local pub. Marvellous place. Spitfire low level fly pasts are freaking awesome. I was there when thy fired up the outboard engines on a Lanc and felt that exact same sensation as they throttled them up. It’s nice drive up there too if you take the back lanes.

  171. Twostix

    Dunno where you live Twostix but you don’t need to pay $380k for a family home (ie. 3 bed 2 bath) in a starter suburb. 250k will do it.

    Utter rot.

    Links to realestate.com.au or it didnt hppen. I live in the middle.of the working class. 350k for a mass produced dog box on a 200sqm block.

    Also saying that people today are better off then defining “better off” as getting to buy a mass produced cinderbrick dog box on a 200sqm block isn’t helping you out.

  172. Infidel Tiger

    Folks who are playing along at home;

    The same people tonight who are arguing that trillion dollar companies should have slave labour and this is awesome , we’re aeguing a decade ago for a carbon tax because they thought it was a beautiful free market bit of kit.

    We have to do better.

  173. Oh come on

    Sating that someone impoverish themselves paying 350k for a house on a 200sqm block one hour from the city

    But they don’t pay nearly that much

    is better off than people 30 years ago because the have aircon that they cant afford to run

    That is the supidest of self-inflicted wounds, no argument from me there. Though it’s the wealthy imposing such charges on poorer people due to their dopey values, but anyway.

    The ‘working poor’ are unquestionably more materially comfortable than their counterparts from 30 years ago. Hell, I’d say the average working poor individual lives more comfortably today than I did when I was a kid – and my folks were in the top 20% of income earners, maybe higher.

    Our values were different back then, though.

  174. Stimpson J. Cat

    Make Australia Great Again.

  175. JC

    And maybe it’s the low home ownership rates that helps it along… psychotic benders I mean, if you’re renting you’re may not be as concerned as an owner if an American bomber flattens the house. Sure, you’d lose your belongings but it’s not your bricks and mortar. 🙂

    Psychotic bender… That reminds reminds me, where’s the moderated Jezabel these days?

  176. mh

    JC
    #2806912, posted on August 31, 2018 at 11:32 pm
    One last point.

    You can be a very wealthy country without having high home ownership rates.

    Germany again. World’s fourth largest economy.

  177. 132andBush

    Thanks, CL
    I got mixed up when calli posted the other link.

    Hope the journalists named get to read it.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    This is why Trump drove a tank over those bow tie spinning xunts in the GOP.

    He gets this shit.

    Davos Man. Donor Man. Corporatist shill.

    You xunts are dead.

  179. Stimpson J. Cat

    And maybe it’s the low home ownership rates that helps it along… psychotic benders I mean,

    STFU about psychotic benders JC.
    I have psychotic benders.
    You’ll trigger me with all this psychotic bender talk.

  180. Oh come on

    Damn you, twostix. I googled the following and now I’m going to be bombarded with first home buyer banner ads for the next few months:

    https://www.firsthomebuyersdirect.com.au/House-Land-Packages/?price-min=270000&price-max=350000&sortby=price-asc&location=All

  181. JC

    Sell up and rent or STFU.

    Get some of that hard grey tape and rap it around your stupid head, you envy ridden douchebag. I don’t want to hear a continental size scream.

    I don’t have to. 🙂

  182. Death Giraffe

    Renting is shit.

  183. Twostix

    Bolt being a retard as usual

    HMM. If only those Vietnamese boat people who landed in Queensland last week had been au pairs for friends of this federal Liberal government.

    Would those 17 Vietnamese now be sitting in the Christmas Island detention centre, awaiting deportation?

    Or would they be like Alexandra Deuwel, the French au pair freed by Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton

    Bolt you austist retard Dutton gave her leniency because shes one us. An firsr cousin. A boat load of vietcong arabs aren’t.

    Only an atomised dutchman (the vietcong arab of europe) would make a big deal about it.

  184. Steve trickler

    JC
    #2806883, posted on August 31, 2018 at 10:56 pm
    Is it possible to formulate a system that rewards an employee, who works 20% above the efficiency rate of fellow employees, all whilst doing the same job, with a higher income?

    Totally. There are bonus plans firms set up etc. Good firms can, should and do pay their top performers at a higher rate if they are allowed to in Australia…. collective bargaining is a problem I think.

    —-

    Yep.

    You can be 20% more efficient at the same job driving a forklift, yet no avenue exists to stake a claim for more money over fellow co-workers, doing the same job.

  185. Makka

    Why is buying a home so important a thing, as I don’t get the rationale. It’s not economically rational.

    A home is many things.
    – A store of wealth. Yes there are fluctuations but generally it stores wealth over time. Take oout the GFC anomaly.
    – It provides a secure a foundation space to start and raise a family. This is the bedrock of civilised western life.
    – It becomes security against loans the family may want to undertake to grow it’s wealth, a vehicle for family prosperity.
    – It enables the development of connections into the community over time. Another big plus in our standard of living.
    – Over time, living in that home can encourage the residents to be involved and have a say in developments in the area, public spaces etc.

    Not all benefits can be measured by money but there’s no doubt at all about the importance home ownership brings to a nation.

  186. mh

    German males spend their life thinking about complex engineering problems. And extreme porn.

  187. zyconoclast

    The CEO of a $960 million company uses one sentence to motivate lazy employees

    The founder of the language-learning app, which has been valued at $US700 million ($960 million), recently discussed his strategy for dealing with unengaged employees in an interview with the Financial Times.

    “You can turn somebody from being a lazy person to being the most committed person if they honestly believe that the company and you, as a leader, think what they’re doing is important,” von Ahn told the Financial Times.

  188. Oh come on

    Two things can be true at once:

    1) this French au pair thing is clearly a political/media hit on Dutton

    2) Dutton exercised extremely poor judgement in personally intervening on behalf of some French totty because the GayFL boss asked him to. I mean, dude. WTF?

  189. Twostix

    Oco you’re a good solid poster, one of the best and I don’t want to aruge with you, but if you believe you can buy a new house for 250k because developmwnt companies advertise 250k house and land packages it you’re going to end up being part of the working poor.

    Because that’s the sort of ahit they fall for1m

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    I just cannot state strongly enough how totally dishonest much of the Media is. Truth doesn’t matter to them, they only have their hatred & agenda. This includes fake books, which come out about me all the time, always anonymous sources, and are pure fiction. Enemy of the People!
    7:11 PM · Aug 30, 2018

  191. Snoopy

    Jo Jo Zip as difficult as it may be for you to grasp I do not envy a dumb as dogshit lying liar living in constant fear of creepy crawlies who knows absolutely nothing of the things of men: machines, firearms, livestock and sport.

    Now get back to telling others why they are stupid to own property.

  192. JC

    Death Giraffe
    #2806930, posted on August 31, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    Renting is shit.

    Sure, it is in Australia. But you know, as I’m sure you’ve seen all those pre-war NYC Park and 5th Ave apartment blocks. Like 90% of them were rentals up until the 70s. Rich people rented their apartments and owned homes the semi rural areas of the tri-state area.

    It’s also interesting because these people essentially rented the 4 walls and they could do what they wanted with the internals as the rental period was very long term. I think you have a similar type of custom in Switzerland, Austria and Germany. You can take out a rental for very long term.

  193. C.L.

    Has anyone explained why the au pair with no criminal record would NOT be allowed to stay?
    FMD.
    Not only can she visit, she should be encouraged to live here permanently.
    She’s Italian, Christian, loves children and probably wants to have lots of her own.
    We should take her and deport a hundred tattooed, fatso skip sour-pusses in her place.

  194. Makka

    German males spend their life thinking about complex engineering problems. And extreme porn.

    Females too. Then every 50 or so years they have a brain explosion and try to destroy Europe. The latest one being welcoming in several million third world escapees.

  195. JC

    Jo Jo Zip as difficult as it may be for you to grasp I do not envy a dumb as dogshit lying liar living in constant fear of creepy crawlies who knows absolutely nothing of the things of men: machines, firearms, livestock and sport.

    Now get back to telling others why they are stupid to own property.

    There’s the liar thing again. Typical from a boltrat.

    Sure you are, “Snoopy”. You’re the resident envy ridden c..t. You’ve been told this numerous times because that’s what you are and will always be. Only problem with that is what I told you the other day. I causes cancer.

  196. Death Giraffe

    Back in normal times mill owners or farmers would just put some land aside, chuck some housing on them, bit of space for a chook shed and veggie patch, stick the workers in there.
    No one thought housing was a big deal.
    It took a certain post war generation to turn it into some stupid wealth creation scam.

  197. JC

    C.L.
    #2806941, posted on August 31, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    Has anyone explained why the au pair with no criminal record would NOT be allowed to stay?
    FMD.
    Not only can she visit, she should be encouraged to live here permanently.
    She’s Italian, Christian, loves children and probably wants to have lots of her own.
    We should take her and deport a hundred tattooed, fatso skip sour-pusses in her place.

    Dude, one small problem with that. I think the last time an Italian woman dropped a kid was 7.5 years ago.

  198. max

    Protests in two German cities against Muslims sparked by the knife murder of a German man by a Muslim immigrant.

    Normal hausfrau described as ‘far right’ and spouting ‘Nazi slogans.’

    When we heard them chanting what we heard was ‘lying press.’

    One woman defending refugees surrounded by a crowd telling her to open her eyes and ‘wake up.’

    Could this be the beginning ?

  199. Infidel Tiger

    HMM. If only those Vietnamese boat people who landed in Queensland last week had been au pairs for friends of this federal Liberal government.

    Would those 17 Vietnamese now be sitting in the Christmas Island detention centre, awaiting deportation?

    Or would they be like Alexandra Deuwel, the French au pair freed by Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton

    Bolta is a very broken man. A real xunt eyed loon.

    I hope he recovers, but it’s very unlikely.

    A caring society would take away his keyboard.

  200. Snoopy

    Let’s go to the tape.

    JC is always fkg lying, especially when he’s caught lying.

  201. C.L.

    The corruption in this country is now out of all control.
    The Pell situation is the worst example.
    But this week we’ve seen the Deep State public service collude with the media by going after Peter Dutton solely because he started the destruction of Malcolm Turnbull and is seen as an Abbottist. Not that leftists would have voted for Turnbull anyway; Turnbull was a symbol. He was a symbol of capitulation, re-assuring leftists that the Liberal Party would never again challenge any of the mainstays of leftist dogma.

  202. Makka

    We should take her and deport a hundred tattooed, fatso skip sour-pusses in her place.

    Lay off the kiwis, CL.

  203. Snoopy

    But this week we’ve seen the Deep State public service collude with the media by going after Peter Dutton solely because he started the destruction of Malcolm Turnbull and is seen as an Abbottist. Not that leftists would have voted for Turnbull anyway; Turnbull was a symbol. He was a symbol of capitulation, re-assuring leftists that the Liberal Party would never again challenge any of the mainstays of leftist dogma.

    Excellent analysis.

  204. Twostix

    We had someone buy an off the plan house package, at the end they had no driveway, no floor coverings and not even a step up into their house.

    20k “unforseen” extra just in the slab crayered them.

    Absolutely ruined them.

    Sad, but avoidable with some careful reading. But who educated them to do that?

  205. JC

    We should take her and deport a hundred tattooed, fatso skip sour-pusses in her place.

    Great idea.

  206. Twostix

    Could this be the beginning ?

    No.

    It’ll be 50 years or more before Germans decide to repulse the invaders. Europes borders will look much different then ever changing as they are.

  207. Makka

    It looks like Bruce Ohr may have flipped and threw the FBI under a bus. No wonder Trump has been tweeting up a storm.

    WSJ;

    Congressional sources tell me that Mr. Ohr revealed Tuesday that he verbally warned the FBI that its source had a credibility problem … Mr. Ohr said, moreover, that he delivered this information before the FBI’s first application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a warrant against Trump aide Carter Page, in October 2016.

  208. Oh come on

    Twostix I agree to some extent. The “own your own home for less than you’re paying in rent” thing is pretty obviously crap. Or it could be true but you’re going to be paying that mortgage off at $350/wk for the rest of your life.

    BUT

    The working poor undoubtedly live way more comfortably than they did when I was a kid. Regular OS holidays. Eat out/ takeaway frequently. New cars, replaced every 5 years or so. And the amount of expensive worthless shit people buy their kids these days for no discernable reason never fails to astonish me.

    Agree the old quarter-acre block with the big back yard is out of reach for these people, but nobody wants that anymore. People who can afford to buy in to this either subdivide or build over the land.

    I think the crisis for the ‘working poor’ is not one of material scarcity – I think they’re doing pretty well on that front at the moment – but a degradation of values across society which hits the poorest hardest. I think that will be a real killer in the long run.

    I’ve worked at plenty of schools in the ‘$300k brand new build’ outer suburbs. Let’s just say I’m not optimistic about the future for the most of the kids at those schools. The average teacher at one of these schools is simply awful, for a start. Scarily lacking in the knowledge they’re supposed to be imparting.

  209. Infidel Tiger

    The working poor undoubtedly live way more comfortably than they did when I was a kid. Regular OS holidays. Eat out/ takeaway frequently. New cars, replaced every 5 years or so. And the amount of expensive worthless shit people buy their kids these days for no discernable reason never fails to astonish me.

    Bad take.

    The working poor used to have dignity and could still afford housing even though it was a battle.

    Modern day poor know they can never buy a family house so blow any money they have on superfluous shite.

  210. Makka

    but a degradation of values across society which hits the poorest hardest. I think that will be a real killer in the long run.

    Back in the day say the 60’s, families could have fun together easily and cheaply. Go for picnics by the river or go to the beach. No big crowds really, parking was a breeze. Throw the boat in and wet a line with the kids. Barbie up the spoils. Good cheap fun outdoors.

    These days it’s so different. In most cities crowded roads and public spaces when you get there. Driving then parking is a nightmare. regulation up the kazoo, licenses and inspectors…… the fun and pleasantness has gone. Technology has taken over too. Those days for many are lost forever.

  211. C.L.

    I think the crisis for the ‘working poor’ is not one of material scarcity – I think they’re doing pretty well on that front at the moment – but a degradation of values across society which hits the poorest hardest.

    Exactly.
    Theirs isn’t a crisis of property being out of reach.
    What’s out of reach for them are the cultural conventions enjoyed by their grandparents and great-grandparents, conventions which kept them together: lifelong marriage, a division of familial labour along traditional gender lines, patriotism, care for one’s own elderly and – to a very large extent – cheerful acceptance of their lot in life.

  212. Oh come on

    Not only can she visit, she should be encouraged to live here permanently.
    She’s Italian, Christian, loves children and probably wants to have lots of her own.

    Sure, the law is an ass. But it is a terrible look if the immigration minister is apparently intervening and personally bending a bad law due to a request from an influential member of society.

    How many other similarly worthy candidates are unable to gain entry to Oz because the minister doesn’t give a shit about them and/or their Australian benefactors and therefore didn’t personally intervene?

    More info could yet arise that might take the pressure off of Dutton. And, as I said, this is obviously a political hit on Dutton.

    But as things stand now, Dutton’s position is lookong tenuous.

  213. Infidel Tiger

    Exactly.
    Theirs isn’t a crisis of property being out of reach.
    What’s out of reach for them are the cultural conventions enjoyed by their grandparents and great-grandparents, conventions which kept them together: lifelong marriage, a division of familial labour along traditional gender lines, patriotism, care for one’s own elderly and – to a very large extent – cheerful acceptance of their lot in life.

    100%

    If we don’t rediscover this as society we are rooted.

    The neo-liberal model is dead. It’s a bust for humanity and society.

  214. JC

    What I said last night. His stock tweets are of strategic importance because he’s telling people to go and invest as he’ll have their back.

    Trump to sign executive order to boost retirement savings

    By PATRICK TEMPLE-WEST

    08/30/2018 09:29 PM EDT
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    President Donald Trump will sign an executive order on Friday aimed at boosting retirement savings, giving Americans more time to keep their money in tax-deferred accounts and allowing small businesses to band together to offer 401(k)s.

    I don’t know if he will succeed, but he’s trying to create a larger cohort of investors.

  215. Oh come on

    What’s out of reach for them are the cultural conventions enjoyed by their grandparents and great-grandparents, conventions which kept them together

    Yep absolutely agree. And what’s really sad is that it isn’t a case of these things being out of reach – they aren’t even countenanced, by and large.

  216. JC

    What’s out of reach for them are the cultural conventions enjoyed by their grandparents and great-grandparents, conventions which kept them together

    ummm the pill did that, closely followed by the family court.

  217. Oh come on

    Bad take.

    The working poor used to have dignity and could still afford housing even though it was a battle.

    Modern day poor know they can never buy a family house so blow any money they have on superfluous shite.

    I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. Much of the working poor can afford to buy a home. I think people these days have wildly ambitious expectations. They want to live like the rich without being rich. A home they could afford to buy isn’t good enough. However, they can afford to take annual package tours to SE Asia and stay in a 5 star hotel for not that much money. They can buy a top-of-the-line Hyundai i30 which does a lot of impressive things and feels luxurious.

    They can’t afford a house commensurate with their expectations, though. The cars and holidays are much more affordable.

    Ultimately it is about degradation of values.

  218. C.L.

    Sure, the law is an ass. But it is a terrible look if the immigration minister is apparently intervening and personally bending a bad law due to a request from an influential member of society.

    Perhaps the best thing Dutton could do is publish all of the dispensations he has granted after being asked to review particular cases. Nobody lost his job over Man Monis being allowed in but there is a contrived panic about an Italian babysitter. Real shithole country stuff.

  219. Australia’s minimum wage is about $10 per hour.
    This is the point the black market puts on minimum wage.

  220. Oh come on

    Perhaps the best thing Dutton could do is publish all of the dispensations he has granted after being asked to review particular cases

    Yep that’d be good. Doubt he will though.

    In all honesty, I bet immigration ministers have done this sort of shit all the time. I suspect that this was timed to blow up in PM Dutton’s face.

  221. Stimpson J. Cat

    <a href="http:

    //www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6117907/Catholic-women-sign-letter-urging-pope-break-silence-claims-ignored-sex-abuse-allegations.html”>Thank You True Catholics.

  222. Zatara

    Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world. Many of his employees are so poor, you’re paying their welfare benefits.

    In terms of qualifications to receive federal supplemental income they must be earning less than $9,000 per year as an individual or $13,500 per as a couple.

    Eligibility for SNAP or food stamps varies from state to state but in general to receive benefits an individual must make less than $15,684 annually or $21,120 for a couple.

    Assuming Amazon employs a couple, and given those benefits alone (although there are others such as housing), Amazon would have to be paying their employees less than $880 per month to qualify. Assuming they are full time employees that comes to $5.50 per hour.

    Tucker needs to elaborate a bit more on his statement because on the face of it, he is full of crap.

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