“Bullying” is the very essence of the political process

From A Snowflake’s Guide to Politics. See if you can see a pattern.

Here is the first definition of “arm twisting” that comes up on Google. It’s from The Cambridge Dictionary:

arm-twisting noun [ U ]

UK  /ˈɑːmˌtwɪs.tɪŋ/ US  /ˈɑːrmˌtwɪs.tɪŋ/

behaviour in which you try to make someone do something by threats or by persuading them forcefully:

The vote was won only as the result of much arm-twisting by the government.

Here’s the second, from Merriam-Webster:

arm-twisting

noun  arm-twist·ing  \ -ˌtwis-tiŋ \

Definition of arm-twistingthe use of direct personal pressure in order to achieve a desired end

for all the arm-twisting, the … vote on the measure was unexpectedly tight

Newsweek

Here is the third, from The Free Dictionary:

arm-twisting

arm-twist·ing(ärm′twĭs′tĭng)

n. Informal

The use of personal or political pressure in an effort to persuade or to gain support.

You know the line: if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. That’s part of what politics is all about, and when it comes right down to it, it is almost everything that politics is all about.

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37 Responses to “Bullying” is the very essence of the political process

  1. And it’s always the same ‘ones’ that complain about bullying when they don’t get their way.

  2. MPH

    The idea that all behaviours are valid in all domains is part of the leftist / feminist / SJW canon. They literally cannot understand that their feelings are not a valid way of comparing methods and outcomes.

  3. Scratch a “libertarian”, and at heart you will always find an authoritarian. Classical liberals don’t care about anyone but themselves.

  4. jupes

    Back in the day, bullying was what happened to kids not adults.

    Our society has become infantalised in the last few decades.

  5. Snoopy

    Poor old Monty. That Chinese burn in Form 1 scarred him for life.

  6. Scratch a “libertarian”, and at heart you will always find an authoritarian. Classical liberals don’t care about anyone but themselves.

    Sounds like monty is trying to bully us.

  7. Bruce

    I remember Jackboot Johnny all too well.

  8. Death Giraffe

    That’s part of what politics is all about, and when it comes right down to it, it is almost everything that politics is all about.

    ..
    So it isn’t a rational debate to discover the a way to maximise the good for all of us?
    You libertarians lied to me, claiming humans were basically good, when all along it was just a scam to maximise your own profits.
    How could you?
    Bastards.

  9. 2dogs

    Hate the game, not the players.

    I’d say bullying, and the increasing vitriol we are finding in politics generally, are the product of representative democracy. Such behaviour is incentivised under representative democracy, and the team which doesn’t engage in it loses.

    From the perspective of voter information costs, representative democracy is the worst of the three main types of democracy.

    It doesn’t have to be this way.

  10. 2dogs

    So it isn’t a rational debate to discover the a way to maximise the good for all of us?

    But it doesn’t work. No-one is being convinced. Too much vitriol. Smart people can believe dumb things. Recent studies have shown smart people are even more prone to confirmation bias, since they are better at rationalising.

    The best method of discovery is testing, not debate.

  11. Rafe Champion

    Monty do you know anyone personally who identifies as a classical liberal?

  12. Leo G

    Monty do you know anyone personally who identifies as a classical liberal?

    Back in his Austrian School days perhaps.

  13. Iampeter

    You know the line: if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. That’s part of what politics is all about, and when it comes right down to it, it is almost everything that politics is all about.

    Glad conservatives are above all that, as we see with how well they’ve taken to tech companies not wanting to have anything to do with them.

  14. Iampeter

    Scratch a “libertarian”, and at heart you will always find an authoritarian.

    As opposed to lefties like you who we don’t even need to scratch to see that you are authoritarian?

    Sadly you are right though, libertarians, conservatives and even many today who call themselves “classic liberals” are just very confused leftists. Far from being your enemies they are your enablers, with their incompetent political arguments helping to advance your agenda more than you lefties ever could’ve manged on your own.

    You should be grateful. There wouldn’t really be a “left” today if not for these hopeless movements.

  15. Pyrmonter

    Can the CFMEU quote this the next time John Setka or one of his minions is caught engaging in ‘persuasion’?

  16. Nob

    I’d always trust someone admitting to acting in their own interests than someone claiming to act on behalf of others.

  17. Nob

    Or to respond to Monty, good hearted people care about outcomes, lefties care about expressed intentions.

  18. Tel

    So when Julia Gillard gives Abbott a total bollocking for the crime of looking at his watch, that would be bullying, but the “Progressives” just love it. They love it until they can find a reason to accuse someone else.

  19. Tel

    Glad conservatives are above all that, as we see with how well they’ve taken to tech companies not wanting to have anything to do with them.

    Still struggling with the idea that people make agreements with one another and that’s a standard part of doing business?

    If tech companies had said right from the start, “No conservatives or libertarians here” then firstly they would not have grown as quickly but secondly other competing platforms would have arose much sooner. But when they suddenly change their own rules just months out from a significant election, that’s a different story.

  20. Tel

    So it isn’t a rational debate to discover the a way to maximise the good for all of us?

    You might get a hint of rational debate waft in from time to time. Mostly it’s grandstanding, blame game, excuses, and stuntmanship.

    You libertarians lied to me, claiming humans were basically good, when all along it was just a scam to maximise your own profits.
    How could you?
    Bastards.

    Most humans are basically good most of the time so long as the temptation to do evil isn’t all that large.

    Most humans don’t go into politics, and for those that do manage to work their way up the greasy pole, a whole new set of incentives presents itself.

  21. Death Giraffe

    Nob
    #2812199, posted on September 8, 2018 at 7:02 pm
    I’d always trust someone admitting to acting in their own interests than someone claiming to act on behalf of others.

    ..
    A good point.

  22. faceache

    What on earth are these comments about people being basically good all about? We are living in a modern world characterised by a repudiation of Augustinianism who taught that human nature is corrupt, radically sinful; and has been so since the Fall of Adam and Eve. Without the grace of God as a countervailing force we have no way to overcome the power of sin. Look at the Left and their denial of God. Everything they touch ends in perfidy and mayhem. Every time. Are we followers of the Augustinian view or the Rousseauvian view. There but for the grace of God ……..

  23. Monty do you know anyone personally who identifies as a classical liberal?

    Not these days Rafe. I tend to not cross those streams.

  24. Still struggling with the idea that people make agreements with one another and that’s a standard part of doing business?

    If tech companies had said right from the start, “No conservatives or libertarians here” then firstly they would not have grown as quickly but secondly other competing platforms would have arose much sooner. But when they suddenly change their own rules just months out from a significant election, that’s a different story.

    That’s too complicated an explanation for a dummy like iampeter.

  25. These are the results of women in politics and positions of power.
    Lest you think I’m sexist, the problem also lies partly with the soy boys (like little Adam B of the Greens) who should have been (soft) bullied at school for being a pansy but weren’t due to anti-bullying rules.
    (Soft) bullying is an important part of child development.

    “A man’s got to know his place” said a famous philosopher once (Clint someone I think), but the last couple of generations don’t know their place.

  26. Crossie

    You know the line: if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. That’s part of what politics is all about, and when it comes right down to it, it is almost everything that politics is all about.

    Most voters are aware of this but it seems our representatives are not. Time to change them for more self-aware people. The current ones keep reminding us daily of their unsuitability for the job.

  27. Iampeter

    If tech companies had said right from the start, “No conservatives or libertarians here” then firstly they would not have grown as quickly but secondly other competing platforms would have arose much sooner.

    You don’t get to dictate what tech companies get to say or not and neither does the state and this doesn’t have anything to do with your free speech. At least those of us who aren’t whiny leftists get this and those of you who are whiny leftists don’t get to complain about other whiny leftists without getting laughed at.

    I’d always trust someone admitting to acting in their own interests than someone claiming to act on behalf of others.

    But the only interests you should be acting in is your own. Someone claiming to be acting in the interests of others is either an idiot or lying and has evil motivations.

  28. Luke

    It’s the new push to get more compliant leftists in Parliament. And their is one group with sufficient numbers that is more compliant leftist than any other – women!

    See there’s too much bullying in politics and the solution is to have more women/less men (because women never bully anyone). And because somehow men keep controlling the vote and voting in more men than women (despite not being the majority of voters), Labor after their election win will introduce gender quotas for women. Oh and higher rates of Super for women – that has also joined the mythical gender pay gap as a thing.

  29. Roger W

    Now retired but in a lifetime at work, the biggest bullies were all women, usually ones who would not have gained their position without being females. All also wanted to virtue signal massively, as long as someone else paid the price.

  30. Luke

    Monty which part of Siberia do the Russian have you posted for work?

  31. You don’t get to dictate what tech companies get to say or not and neither does the state and this doesn’t have anything to do with your free speech. At least those of us who aren’t whiny leftists get this and those of you who are whiny leftists don’t get to complain about other whiny leftists without getting laughed at.

    This just goes to show you how unthinking people like Iampeter are, preferring to simply regurgitate points which don’t address their interlocutor’s arguments. Tech companies invited everyone on to their platforms to provide them with content, etc. which they could then leverage financially in some way. This was to be mutually beneficial for these platforms and the invited parties. Sometime later they decide to revoke this invitation for whatever reason, often in the most ambiguous terms and in the most devious manner but under a cloak of ‘fair dealing’, thus diminishing the investment made by many of those invited on to the platform. Why is this so difficult to understand?

  32. Tel

    Tech companies invited everyone on to their platforms to provide them with content, etc. which they could then leverage financially in some way. This was to be mutually beneficial for these platforms and the invited parties.

    Exactly, an agreement was formed between parties.

    That’s the part Iampeter doesn’t understand although he claims to be all about rights.

    He still has never answered the simple question: why is it normal for a bank to demand payments on a loan, but not OK for some arbitrary person to demand payments from some other person? Until he gets past this point, the basic principle of commerce is lost on him.

    No one is attempting to dictate to the tech companies, they are only attempting to keep these companies to stick within the agreements they originally made with their users. If they wanted to exclude certain points of view, they had their chance to say that upfront.

  33. AlanR

    If you don’t possess the skills necessary to convince me that my position is incorrect and yours is correct or that your need to feel superior is so strong that you feel that bullying and ‘arm twisting’ is acceptable behaviour, you and I obviously inhabit seperate worlds.

  34. If you don’t possess the skills necessary to convince me that my position is incorrect

    Politics has never been simply winning someone over by persuasive argument. If you imagine that it is you have had no familiarity with politics as it has been practiced since Adam. Not even haggling over the price of X at the market is devoid of ‘arm-twisting’. What is most galling about the current imbroglio is the sheer audacity of the Turnbullites to accuse the other side of ‘bullying’. They, the former, that demand a list with the names of those calling for a vote, and then asking for the names to be ‘verified’, pretending to hold the high ground. If you can’t handle someone refusing to leave your office without your name you have no business being in politics, or any position of authority.

    What a bunch of big girls blouses.

  35. .

    This just goes to show you how unthinking people like Iampeter are, preferring to simply regurgitate points which don’t address their interlocutor’s arguments.

    No, they’re principles, not mere points.

    Egging on Trump to “do something” is really silly. The laws will inevitably be absued.

    All that needs to be done is make the carriers make a choice, are carriers or editors?

    Nothing really needs to be done beyond this other than the enforcement of fraud laws which will catch out the more egregious of sham advertising services offered on FB etc.

  36. No, they’re principles, not mere points.

    Is it the principle that parties can renege on agreements without consequence?

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