How parasitic is South Australia?

AND HOW LONG CAN IT LAST?

At 6 this morning there was a lot of wind around in SE Australia accounting for 14% of a low point of demand (16GW). Even the turbines at Woolnorth in Tasmania were generating over .1GW and the price was -$64. In SA the price was -$27.

At 7 the situation was unusual with Victoria generating more than the demand (0.5GW from Wind) so they were exporting to Tasmania (normally an exporter) where the hdro was turned down to about half the 1G demand. Momentarily the price in Victoria was down to -$107 (soon moving to -65) while Tasmania was steady near 60 and SA with 1G of wind was $0.00.

The point is to address the claim by our friends at Renew Economy that South Australia is still moving in the right direction under the new Liberal administration and showing the way to the future.

Indeed, the Steven Marshall-led Liberal government actually appears excited by the fact that the state will, according to AEMO’s Integrated System Plan, based on current policies and building intentions, reach around 73 per cent renewables by 2020, and 100 per cent by 2025.

(The term 100 per cent renewables means generating the equivalent of its demand from wind and solar. It will, of course, remain connected to the rest of the grid, which means sometimes it will import power from other states, although mostly it will export).

The question is how much of the time does SA depend on coal-fired power in Queensland, via connectors between the states in between?.
This is not a rhetorical question, I just want to know the answer. SA has the luxury of connecting to reliable power in other states. How long will the supply in other states be reliable when they have more of the unreliable power that is coming on stream at a great rate over the next year or three?

Pursuing the crowdsourcing of research path, is there a Cat who can direct us to the single best source of information on Solar and Wind projects in each state at various stages from planning to approval and construction and recent projects on line? It is a volatile situation of course and there is information scattered all over the place.

The supply and demand situation has changed again of course, in case people want to check.

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21 Responses to How parasitic is South Australia?

  1. Singleton Engineer

    Heard this morning that our current PM has abandoned the National Electricity Guarantee (NEG) and thus the mandated requirement for new Unreliables to be firmed, i.e. supported by either reliable generation or storage, such as hydro, pumped hydro or batteries.

    IIRC, the NEG also included winding down and eventual removal of subsidies and favoured access to the market for wind and solar.

    The NEG was a step in the right direction. To abandon the NEG and thus have no national energy will be a disaster, because its primary outcome will be to increase demand on reliable generation and on transmission, throughout the NEM, while locking in the current unfair and costly advantages that are currently gifted to wind and solar in the marketplace, the NEM.

  2. Leo G

    It will, of course, remain connected to the rest of the grid, which means sometimes it will import power from other states, although mostly it will export.

    South Australia, the Pumpty Dumpty state.

  3. New Chum

    Rafe you might try https://papundits.wordpress.com/views-expressed-by-writers-are-their-own-and-do-not/tonyfromoz/ when he is back online, he is moving house at the moment.
    He is an Administrator at the following website.
    https://papundits.wordpress.com/

  4. Fang

    Come Monday, SA rent seekers will be back in bussiness! No wind, pay me to sit and wait for some! 😡

  5. Roger

    Pursuing the crowdsourcing of research path, is there a Cat who can direct us to the single best source of information on Solar and Wind projects in each state at various stages from planning to approval and construction and recent projects on line?

    I can tell you that Qld presently has more renewables projects planned or under construction than any other state, and this has all happened since the Labor government put out a tender in 2017 for 400 megawatts of renewable energy under its ‘Renewables 400’ plan, one of the 4 stated goals of which is to “support system security and reliability” ! Applications received amounted to 9000 megawatts! Rent seekers the world over were attracted by the generous subsidies on offer. $1.6bn has been budgeted for the plan.

    Singleton Engineer is quite correct, while the dissolution of the NEG might be welcomed in the short term, unless Morrison can wrangle that states into a new agreement there is little he can do to ensure reliable and affordable electricity. The horses have bolted.

  6. Dr Faustus

    Pursuing the crowdsourcing of research path, is there a Cat who can direct us to the single best source of information on Solar and Wind projects in each state at various stages from planning to approval and construction and recent projects on line?

    AEMO publishes this information on its Generation Information Page. Scroll down to the regional generation pages and download the latest Excel workbook for each State in the NEM – be sure to trawl through each of the tabbed sheets in each wb.

    With a bit of fiddling, you can geolocate the generation/transmission infrastructure on the AEMO interactive map.

    Does not include the SWIS, NWIS, or NT – you will need to pull this together from other static reports eg Scheduled Generators map for the SWIS, 2019-20 [p14].

  7. RobK

    When it’s wind in SA, extra money is paid to the gas turbines for FCAS . SA wants a connection direct to NSW to flog excess energy when it’s wind and import Qld coal fired energy when it’s not. These are all added costs of RE, siphoning funds for virtue signalling from punter all around Australia . The accounting of costs due to RE is woeful.

  8. RobK

    My early morning proof reading is equally woeful. Sorry.

  9. Ian

    I find the Pocket NEM app most clearly shows the status of the nerwork. It is available from the App Store.

  10. flyingduk

    just buy yourself a generator already…..and some guns to defend it when the hoardes (or the state) comes for it…

  11. Dr Fred Lenin

    Cut them out of the national grid and let their polliemuppets take the consequences politically and maybe even physically ,God only knows they deserve nasty thing that happens to them ,it may be a salutary lesson to all aspiring polliemuppets ,”pour encourager les autres “.

  12. Adelagado

    SA didn’t invent these insane policies that were designed to put coal generation out of business. We were just the first to be forced down that path. You should all be glad that we have taken a bullet for the team. (We are paying nearly the highest electricity prices in the world). If it hadn’t been seen to be such a screw-up over here more of your own power stations and coal mines would be closed by now. Of course you still have Snowy 2.0 on its way to demonstrate that you are just as stupid as us, and I’m sure you will make all of Australia pay for that.

  13. terry andrews

    Are Queenslanders also paying higher power prices when we export power to southern luddites?

  14. Dr Fred Lenin

    Adelagado , do you still have a state government in SA ? We never hear about it in the news in Australia , so they must be following the u.n.communist destruction of the West plan , or the communist media would be screaming blue murder. I suppose your “liberal”party has been thoroughly infiltrated by Narxist like Pyne .God Help Australia ,formerly the best country in the world before the Narxist scum took over .

  15. Genghis

    Rafe,
    I keep stating that for the last 13 days of April 2018 wind generators worked at less than 10% of capacity for 25% of the time. So it does not matter how much NEM allows wind generators to multiply there will be extended periods when wind does not work effectively. We also need more electrical power for our desal plant and all those electric cars.

  16. Julian

    My observation is that NSW consistently has an energy deficit of anywhere between 1,000 and 2,000 MWH.

  17. Entropy

    terry andrews
    #2812746, posted on September 9, 2018 at 4:25 pm
    Are Queenslanders also paying higher power prices when we export power to southern luddites

    Yes.
    If the National Elictricity Market and it s interconnectits did not exist, Queensland power generation capacity would be for Queensland only. It would not be absorbing the higher prices from southern states actosx its market.
    But it would not easy to leave. The government, which owns the coal and gas generators, makes a lot of money from selling power south. Exiting the NEM would lose a lot of revenue. And it wouldn’t be in a hurry to shut them down either, their generation capacity is needed to back up all that heavily subsidised RE in the pipeline.

  18. Rafe Champion

    Genghis I understand, we have to plan for the lowest point of unreliable energy which is several days in a row when the wind is low, like the 3% half an hour ago and the sky is cloudy, not to mention the night.

    Even with some kind of effective storage that is decades away the multiplier required to cope with these periods is alarming although the system will collapse long before that, when the unreliables get to 20 or 30% of demand and the coal plants are closing because they are losing too much money. Has anyone calculated the break-even point for the coal stations as the wind and solar capacity grows?

  19. Ben

    Apologies, too many thumbs on my post… but the links work!

  20. bollux

    Cut the Interlinks, that will quickly demonstrate how well renewables are travelling. Let the local turkeys vote for their own Christmas.

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