Going but not quite gone

This morning The Oz front page was about the PRESENT Prime Minister in communication with the FORMER Prime Minister: PM tells Turnbull: back off. Good, and whether it was “back off” or something similar, that is exactly right. In honour of this moment I have dredged up the post I wrote just after the last election: Australia’s Jonestown massacre. To save you the trouble of going to the link, this is what it said:

Do those political morons who led the coup really believe that the result we have actually had is better than the one we would have had if Tony had still been leader? And listening to the campaign speech delivered six hours after the polls had closed made me appreciate just what a guilty mind Malcolm obviously now has. Other than the brute fact of his steel-plated ego protector, he would have fallen on his sword tonight, instead of telling us what a genius he’d been in destroying a party structure and policy position that had been carefully crafted over those many years of opposition and then in the first year and a half of government. He has also created a Senate eminently workable for a Labor Government but one in which the Coalition will be hard pressed to get a single issue of substance legislated.

The good news is that even with Malcolm leading the party, there is enough sanity left in the country to have kept Labor out. And it does seem possible that we have ended up with exactly the outcome I had hoped for. I wrote a post a week or so back on you don’t have to wait three years and an election cycle (or two). There I suggested:

The strategy has to be to get the Libs over the line and then see Malcolm turfed out before the year comes to an end. Whatever he may think, the Turnbull agenda is comprehensively dead.

The death of Turnbull’s agenda is even more apparent now than it was a week ago. But if the Libs do get over the line – which is more likely than not but by no means certain – he must go. He won’t want to because he never sees the slightest fault in himself in anything he does, but that’s the reality. I don’t know how it should be arranged but arranged it must be. The Party that drank the Turnbull Kool Aid must now find renewal which will not happen until Malcolm is finally gone.

With renewal there is hope. And I am truly pleased to see that the PM has steel in his resolve and understands what needs to be done.

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50 Responses to Going but not quite gone

  1. Iampeter

    Do those political morons who led the coup really believe that the result we have actually had is better than the one we would have had if Tony had still been leader?

    Well yes. Don’t you? I mean Tony is the guy who ran like a good Labor leader with “no cuts to anything” policy, talked big about free speech but couldn’t repeal 18C, gave us Direct Action and agreed to the Paris Accord. Thankfully he was turfed out before he could turn Australian into Venezuela but even if he achieved that I bet you’d still struggle to join the dots and understand what’s going on.

    If you think Abbott was a great leader or something then what was your issue with Turnbull? That he wasn’t left wing enough for you?

    In fact, why would you even oppose Labor or Greens if you support Abbott?

    Why are you blogging about politics lol?

  2. The Turnbull agenda was always nothing more than self-aggrandisement and megalomania overlaying a Green-left wish-list including globalisation, a carbon dioxide tax, a republic and same-sex marriage. Turnbull is easily the worst Liberal PM ever, managing to make previous titleholders Malcolm Fraser and Billy McMahon look like combinations of the Dalai Lama and Abraham Lincoln.

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    damned spot is out yet damned spot continues to show up

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    The Turnbull agenda was always nothing more than self-aggrandisement and megalomania overlaying a Green-left wish-list including globalisation, a carbon dioxide tax, a republic and same-sex marriage.

    Run with such ignorant relish by the morons of the Turnbull Treason Team

  5. billie

    hate to say it, but he does sort of have a point, wtf was Abbott up to?

    Like that wally in Victoria from the libs the last time they were in power, Ted Baileuioo (?) he had no idea of what to do with power when he got it.

    Abbott started handing out jobs, like to that bint from the democrats natasha doc martin and then to the evil bugger from the unions crowley crossbo, something like that … an enemy ffs!

    ignored his base and got stabbed in the back, can’t believe he gave turnbull a job and had the wicked wicked witch julie bishop as his deputy

    talk about a lack of political antennae!

    look, morison is as good a choice as dutton, both of them have bugger all chance of saving the liberal party and I hope the nats can see this or they will vanish as well

    I want to see the liberals vanish so we can start again .. joshf, my local memeber,is a complete dissappointment, might as well have petro georgiou back

  6. mareeS

    I gave away ideology as a basis for my vote when our children were born. Previously we had been active in our media union, then after the spouse went private enterprise and I went freelance we liked the LNP side to a level where we participated in conservative politics and campaigns directly.
    Now, we just want a fair future for our kids in work and for us in retirement, without governments and losers leeching off us.

  7. Tom

    Finally we agree on something, Iampeter — and I suspect it’s the only thing: Tony Abbott was a shit leader, a direct consequence of the fact that the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals believe in nothing. If fact, the S.F. Liberals’ leadership crisis is at least as bad as the Liars’ and with terrible national consequences: Peanut Head is now in the box seat to become the next PM, even though he’s just Trades Hall gangster indebted to the CFMEU (or whatever it’s called now).

    BTW, don’t lecture Steve Kates about being a leftard numpty when your upside-down lunatic libertarian ideology effectively supports the Big Government communists who are about to take power in this country.

    We used to have another leftard libertarian here. I forget his pseudonym. He came from WA, but lived in Thailand. He shot through because the Cat wasn’t leftwing enough. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is you.

  8. Vagabond

    Just turfing the turd was never going to be the end of him. He’s going to be sniping away for ever, in his leather jacket on Q&A, in the Age and Graniad etc like a John Hewson on steroids. The libs are cursed with him on their back and there’ll be no end to him until someone drives a political stake through his evil egotistical heart. The most apt image that comes to mind is Sir Les Patterson trying to get rid of something sticky that he’s picked out of his nose but can’t dislodge from his finger.

  9. Tintarella di Luna

    Vagabond
    #2816542, posted on September 14, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    Hmmmmm yes – merciless ridicule and pisstake I reckon is what’s needed to make Malcolm go away.

  10. Chris M

    Scott should be breaking desks, tearing down doors and slamming heads together at LIB HQ.

    Instead he is just wandering about beaming at everyone, apparently even more desperate to be nice and to be liked than Abbott was.

    We need a Trump, but there is none. I, for one, don’t welcome our new ALP overlords. Thanks for nothing Malcolm you evil Labor roach.

  11. Makka

    The libs are cursed with him on their back and there’ll be no end to him until someone drives a political stake through his evil egotistical heart.

    This is a very good long term penance the Libs should be made to pay for devoting themselves to this piece of leftist sh*t. Turdball has been their greatest mistake.

  12. Iampeter

    BTW, don’t lecture Steve Kates about being a leftard numpty when your upside-down lunatic libertarian ideology effectively supports the Big Government communists

    You mean that’s what you politically illiterate, conservatives effectively support. I mean you are agreeing with me about Abbott after all. I assume you’d agree that Howard was an even bigger disaster, but then again maybe not. He stopped the boats and that’s all you confused leftists care about.
    But in any case, don’t project your total confusions onto me.

    We used to have another leftard libertarian here. I forget his pseudonym. He came from WA, but lived in Thailand. He shot through because the Cat wasn’t leftwing enough.

    You mean he shot through because the Cat while billing itself as Australia’s leading centre-right blog is full of politically illiterate cranky leftists that don’t have the excuse of youth to justify their breathtaking ignorance.

  13. min

    At least Abbott called it for what was Global warming science is crap and he did not sign us up to Paris Agreement. LNP will never get greens or labor voters so to start with they have to win back all the conservative voters to fund hemselves that means not listening to the ignorant wets. Scomo is still fence sitting.
    .

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    Isn’t it fun that the climate scam has toppled yet another Prime Minister?
    That makes three, or five if you count Rudd and Gillard twice each.
    Mal only can manage one-and-a-half, seeing that he was offed once as Opposition Leader and once as PM.

    You’d think these people would get the message by now. CAGW isn’t actually happening.

    But Mal seems to want to stick around and stink up the place like Al Gore.
    Who is a laughing stock, even amongst the Left.
    Think of your legacy Mal, and do the right thing: retire gracefully to a few oil company chairmanships.

  15. Tim Neilson

    Like that wally in Victoria from the libs the last time they were in power, Ted Baileuioo (?) he had no idea of what to do with power when he got it.

    True, but there were some positives.

    The government did absolutely nothing whatsoever. That meant that a lot of things that should have been done weren’t, like kicking the CFMMEU in the bollocks.

    However, while Ted was asleep at the wheel, government legislative incursions on liberties at least didn’t get worse, and the State Budget actually improved considerably, largely because there weren’t any new grandiose thought bubble bonfires of the banknotes – proof positive that solving problems is usually best done by government staying well away from them.

  16. Megan

    You mean he shot through because the Cat while billing itself as Australia’s leading centre-right blog is full of politically ignorant cranky leftists that don’t have the excuse of youth to justify their breathtaking ignorance.

    A classic example of ‘you spot it, you got it’ as one of my most excellent teachers was fond of saying.

    And not even the handful of missing punctuation marks can save this from being one of the weakest insults ever seen on the Cat.

  17. anonandon

    I may be on my own here, but I’m starting to think that Iampeter is a fuckwit.

  18. Exit Stage Right

    anonandon @ 7.18pm
    Sir/Madam, Never fear you are not alone.

  19. Motelier

    Bruce of Newcastle is so right on this.

    CAGW is crap, the most of the voting public knows it is crap, but our political leaders see votes to be gained in appealing to the crackpots of the left, while losing their traditional voting base who move to the crackpot parties of the right like One Nation and PUP.

    FFS, Mudguts Palmer is all over the airwaves and social media now, effectively getting prepared to rake in taxpayers money at the next election.

    And do not look too seriously look at the NATS. The local member, Keith Pitt has effectively moved himself to the backbench in the wake of ScoMo ascending to the top position as a form of protest.

    I really can’t wait for the next election. The fact that Bull Shitten looks so good even now goes a long way to explaining the depths of dispair facing the LNP for years to come.

    Be prepared to accept democracy good and hard. Protect your assets anyway you can.

    A Bull Shitten lead Labor government will reall accelerate the destruction of Old Australia. Be prepared for increasing inflation and interest rates. Hell, even Paul Keating must be rubbing his hands together with what the future brings.

  20. Jimf

    In the spirit of our new “suburban bloke” PM positioning, surely Fuck off would have been a better headline.

  21. .

    Iampeter is right. Tony Abbott was barely conservative enough to get to the top of the LNP, he betrayed the base and ultimately killed the Liberals.

    It is the same stuff everyone else has pointed out before.

    I’ll give Professor Kates a hint: everyone who bought and read his book are in the Aust. Cons. and Lib. Dems. They’re not in the LNP.

  22. The only politicians that I will vote for in either house are those who will reject the policies that have been forced upon Australians by the left. Retaining left policies ,laws and institutions has destroyed the liberals who need to follow a different path. The march of the left into the liberals has seen its demise.

  23. Rob

    We need Shorten Labor in government to see proof of just how low our country can go.
    The same evidence will show the Abbott government to have been far better than its many critics claim.
    The real problem for Australia is the left wing maggots in the MSM and the ABC that are constantly eating out the inner workings of anything resembling conservative government.

  24. Senile Old Guy

    Iampeter is right. Tony Abbott was barely conservative enough to get to the top of the LNP, he betrayed the base and ultimately killed the Liberals.

    Iampeter is never right. The liberals killed the liberals. The leftists in the party let Abbott do all the hard work, then took over. I do not excuse Abbott; he folded. But look at LNP policy now. They elected Lord Waffle and went left. Morrison also looks to be a lefty. And weak.

  25. .

    IMO they went left at the 2014/15 budget.

  26. Iampeter

    Conservatives were always left wing, just not as left as Labor.
    To be right wing is to stand for individual rights, rights protecting government and capitalism. Conservatives don’t know anything about the first two points and only pay lip service to the third, never advancing capitalism in practice.
    In reality they have always been religious/traditionalist collectivists and therefore leftists.

    They did take a particularly hard turn to the left, not in 2014/15 but back in the 90’s under John Howard who is Australia’s most left wing PM. Under Howard, they build the environmentalist bureaucracy from scratch, created middle class welfare and generally taxed, spent and regulated like no government in Australia before.

    Howard today is celebrated in the conservative movement which seals their position as Australia’s most confused leftists.

  27. Bushkid

    anonandon
    #2816648, posted on September 14, 2018 at 7:18 pm
    I may be on my own here, but I’m starting to think that Iampeter is a fuckwit.

    Definitely not on your own there mate!

  28. jupes

    And I am truly pleased to see that the PM has steel in his resolve and understands what needs to be done.

    FMD Steve, you can’t be serious.

    Paris agreement and RET remain exactly the same. Immigration policy remains exactly the same.

    What’s changed?

  29. jupes

    Conservatives were always left wing

    LOL

    As opposed to Muslim loving, open borders loving, gay marriage loving “libertarians”.

    You idiot.

  30. A Lurker

    Iampeter is a troll and is best ignored. You have a scroll wheel. Use it.

  31. Neil

    ” under John Howard who is Australia’s most left wing PM”

    You lost it just there. Telling lies helps nobody. Howard ran surplus budgets. Left wing people do not do things like that. Plus unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard. Unemployment goes up under left wing govts .

  32. .

    Come on Neil. The government can make the U/E rate go up, but THEY don’t make it go DOWN unless you believe Obama’s “No, you didn’t build that” nonsense.

    If left-wing governments have deficits, then we had a left-wing government from 1973 to 1998 and from 2007 to present.

    John Howard created an awful lot of middle-class welfare, refused to give out responsible tax cuts, destroyed gun rights and kept what is essentially a Nordic model of taxation.

    He had some redeeming right wing qualities, pretty much only paying off the debts (slower) privatisation and labour market reform. His border policies would be attacked as insipid by a lot of conservatives here now.

  33. Iampeter

    You lost it just there. Telling lies helps nobody. Howard ran surplus budgets. Left wing people do not do things like that. Plus unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard. Unemployment goes up under left wing govts .

    As explained in my post, he built the environmentalist bureaucracy and middle class welfare. Nobody advanced leftism in Australia as successfully as John Howard. Whatever surpluses he had were a consequence of a healthy economy thanks to the reforms of Hawk and Keating (for which he shamelessly took credit).

    As opposed to Muslim loving, open borders loving, gay marriage loving “libertarians”.

    So, supporting regulating aspects of peoples lives as specific as who gets to live where and who gets to marry who is your way of proving you and conservatives aren’t leftists?

    As to loving Muslims, well it was conservatives who failed to name the enemy or destroy a single state sponsor of terror and walk around with Kings of Saudi Arabia hand-in-hand.
    No one has done more to shield terrorists from consequences and make the entire situation worse through a total failure of foreign policy than the hopeless conservative movement.

  34. Megan

    I may be on my own here, but I’m starting to think that Iampeter is a fuckwit.

    Not alone by a long shot. Latest comment easily proves your point. In fact, your designation is far too complementary.

  35. jupes

    So, supporting regulating aspects of peoples lives as specific as who gets to live where and who gets to marry who is your way of proving you and conservatives aren’t leftists?

    Wow. Controlling borders is just “regulating who gets to live where” in your retarded world view.

    And yes, open borders and gay marriage are leftist policies. That’s why the Greens love them.

    Dealing with Muslim nations is neither left nor right, however letting them immigrate to your country is definitely left wing.

    You are Dotty level stupid Pete. How embarrassing.

  36. Neil

    Whatever surpluses he had were a consequence of a healthy economy thanks to the reforms of Hawk and Keating (for which he shamelessly took credit).

    Garbage. Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt with economic conditions identical to those when Keating was running huge deficits

    Healthy economy thanks to Hawke/keating? Are you serious? We just had more than 2 years of double digit unemployment under that awful govt. Without Howard debt would have doubled. Instead he reduced govt debt to zero

  37. .

    jupesworld (somewhere with plenty of Thorazine and Clonazepam) – not taking Daniel Pipes word for word is “stupid”.

  38. Iampeter

    Garbage. Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt with economic conditions identical to those when Keating was running huge deficits

    Hawk and Keating, kneecapped the unions, protections and tariffs, helping set Australia up for the prosperity we enjoyed at the start of the millennium. Were they perfect or something? No, far from it. But they did a lot of good.
    Howard on the other hand, built the environmentalist bureaucracy and middle class welfare, among many other far left policies which are slowly starting to come home to roost and are starting to cripple Australia today. Whether he ran a surplus or not doesn’t change these facts and this is what makes him the most left wing PM we’ve had to date.
    This is a show stopping problem for conservatives who claim to be an alternative to the left yet still celebrate Howard as a model PM.

    Not alone by a long shot. Latest comment easily proves your point. In fact, your designation is far too complementary.

    Why because I have a different opinion and actually know what I’m talking about instead of randomly throwing political words around?

    Conservatives really are the snowiest of snowflakes.

  39. Neil

    Govt debt went from 7% of GDP in 1983 to 18% by 1996 under Hawke/Keating. Unemployment was high for all those years reaching 11% when Keating became PM.

    If Keating did not lose govt in 1996, govt debt would have doubled to 36% by 2007. I cannot think of anything good Hawke/keating did

  40. candy

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    I don’t know why M.Turnbull thought it could not happen to him.

    Rudd/Gillard/Rudd became Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison. It’s going to have to run its course, as happened to Labor.

  41. Iampeter

    Yea but Neil you keep blanking out what I’m saying and repeating the same thing as if it changes anything.
    Howard built the environmentalist bureaucracy and middle class welfare.
    We are having issues with energy today because of policies he first cooked up.
    He did this almost a decade before climate alarmism was even a mainstream issue. He pioneered the most left wing crap imaginable in this country for some reason.
    Keating could’ve quadrupled govt debt and it would not be anywhere near as big an issue.

    This is why Howard is the most left wing PM to date. Nothing you can say about other governments can change this.

  42. .

    There’s more to it than the debt Neil.

    The debt we have now is the primary economic issue we face.

    The 1990s debt (although a significant problem) was not as significant or important as now.

  43. .

    Keating could’ve quadrupled govt debt and it would not be anywhere near as big an issue.

    In real terms? I think Keating would have topped it but we also have 400 bn of State debt now.

  44. candy

    This is why Howard is the most left wing PM to date. Nothing you can say about other governments can change this.

    I’m afraid that sounds ridiculous. Even folk who take not much interest in politics know Howard to be from the “hated” right, a conservative, the money side of politics, the big business, war mongering side, as the left see the right. The usual things the left call the right. It’s a tad ridiculous to think anyone from the Left would claim John Howard as their own.

  45. Neil

    The 1990s debt (although a significant problem) was not as significant or important as now.

    Net debt went from 7% to 18% of GDP in 1996 under Hawke/Keating. Howard took it down to zero and now we are back up to 18% of GDP and exploding. But why is this worse than the 1990’s debt? It is about the same

  46. Megan

    Why because I have a different opinion and actually know what I’m talking about instead of randomly throwing political words around?

    I don’t give two hoots for different opinions. You’re entitled to yours as we are entitled to our own…which you have no problem whatsoever with denigrating. Not with facts or evidence, but by randomly throwing political words around while being completely and totally without any mental capacity to notice that you actually do what you accuse others of. Trying to create the illusion of competence by projecting your own weaknesses on others.
    You might believe you know what you are talking about but your blatant inability to write a coherent narrative, (or correctly punctuate said narrative in an attempt to give it some meaning to the reader) is totally obvious to anyone with a working brain. Ranting and repeating the same old stream of consciousness nonsense does not reality make. It reminds of some of the sludge from a small percentage of illiterate first years that I was forced to plough through and happily fail when I eventually got to the end of their appalling screeds.

    You’re so bad that even Monty could teach you something. Seriously, dude, get some help before it’s too late.

    That said, it’s Saturday night in dreary old Melbourne and Collingwood are winning. I’m hitting the single malt to oblivion.

  47. .

    Neil
    #2817329, posted on September 15, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    The 1990s debt (although a significant problem) was not as significant or important as now.

    Net debt went from 7% to 18% of GDP in 1996 under Hawke/Keating. Howard took it down to zero and now we are back up to 18% of GDP and exploding. But why is this worse than the 1990’s debt? It is about the same

    No. Look at the details.

    We have 647 bn of Federal debt. (How is 647 bn 18% of GDP?) Even 500 bn or so of Commonwealth securities on issue (the figure is higher, say 550 bn) at 20% of GDP would imply annual GDP of 2.5 trillion AUD.

    We have 400 bn of State debt.

    Look at this:

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/wa-tops-debt-list-as-states-go-on-borrowing-binge/news-story/9c72f5c322ef7db5b4be624c48d61445

    The state’s debt-to-revenue ratio will climb to 81 per cent next year, ahead of Victoria’s on 71 per cent, while Queensland’s ratio would remain steady at 113 per cent. South Australia’s debt will fall $1bn this year before climbing $800m to $15.3bn next year. The debt-to-revenue ratio will fall from 84 per cent to 79 per cent.

    GDP growth is also slow now.

  48. Tel

    So, supporting regulating aspects of peoples lives as specific as who gets to live where and who gets to marry who is your way of proving you and conservatives aren’t leftists?

    If I run a gay club, and I decide I only want gay men in my club, does that mean I am “regulating aspects of peoples lives”?

    I would say, that if it’s my property (or club property and the club agreed on this) then basic property rights includes the ability to exclude people. If you cannot exclude people from your land then how can it be said you have property at all? If you can exclude people from your property then you are only “regulating aspects of peoples lives” to the limited extent that they want to come onto your property. Therefore I conclude you don’t believe in property rights.

    Which is fair enough I suppose, no one *HAS* to believe in property rights, that’s your choice. However, if no one owns any property then what does it mean to trade? What am I exchanging if I don’t own anything to begin with? So by refusing property rights, you also refuse trade. That doesn’t seem to leave much freedom.

  49. Neil

    No. Look at the details.

    Ok but I thought you were blaming Howard for the problem. The Commonwealth was debt free in 2007

    How is 647 bn 18% of GDP?

    I was quoting NET debt numbers. Currently net Commonwealth debt is 18% of GDP. It was zero in 2006 and less than zero in 2007

    But I guess you are right. In 1996 when net debt was 18% of GDP we had assets to sell eg Telstra. Now net debt is at 18% of GDP and exploding we have nothing left to sell

  50. Iampeter

    I don’t give two hoots for different opinions. You’re entitled to yours as we are entitled to our own…

    Except you’ve just made a whole post getting triggered by the very simple facts I’ve posted in this thread that you and other posters here are desperate to evade. You wouldn’t be this evasive if you actually knew as much about politics as you do punctuation.

    If I run a gay club, and I decide I only want gay men in my club, does that mean I am “regulating aspects of peoples lives”?

    As I’ve explained to you in other threads, if you are living in a country where you have property rights it means your government is a rights protecting government at least to some degree.
    Consistently rights protecting governments, which is what those of us who are actually right wing support, don’t regulate immigration.

    And you guys think you can laugh at Monty. At least he knows he’s a leftist.

    Megan, if you’re still paying attention, this question Tel has asked is an example of that “illiterate first years” sludge you were mentioning. I’m sure you were going to point this out because you’re totally not a confused leftist, who doesn’t know anything about politics, instead spending time on what is meant to be a right wing blog about politics, correcting peoples grammar.

    Over to you.

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