Open Forum: September 15, 2018

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  1. Makka

    Remember when mUnty and his leftards buds were shitcanning Trump for brow beating Nato and the Euroweenies?

    NATO chief thanks Trump for pushing allies to spend more on defense

    Speaking in Washington on Friday Mr. Stoltenberg assured the U.S. that America’s leading military allies across Europe and Canada have spent an additional $41 billion on defense over the past year.

    “As you know, President Trump has been outspoken on this issue,” Mr. Stoltenberg said during a keynote address at the Heritage Foundation think tank. “And I have thanked him for his leadership on defense spending.”

  2. .

    You keep on bashing freedom Stimpy.

    Why?

    It is rather sad you keep on falling for this massive left-wing trolling op (“TheStorm”).

    Not a single thing predicted by any of this clickbait BS has ever turned out to be true.

  3. JC

    Is it possible to clean underground water through any sort of system and still be economical? Some years ago, I read that MIT had come out with a extremely fine mesh thing that would purify water. Irrigation water wouldn’t have to be as clean as say drinking water of course.

  4. Delta A

    Fuuuuucccckkk!

    Indeed.

    This is where GM comes into it all. Farmers, please correct me if I’m wrong, but this is my understanding: crops are developed to cope with the climate and conditions of specific areas. Thus, marginal, low rainfall country can be productive, whereas once it was virtually useless.

    Also, identifying and supplementing soil deficiencies has made a huge difference. For example, the Soldier Settlements on Kangaroo Island almost failed until scientists detected and addressed deficiencies in copper and zinc. (Thank you CSIRO. Those were the days when you were a valuable and respected organisation.)

    Many thanks to our farming Cats – Gez, John Constantine, 123andBush (is that right?) et al. Good luck in your worthy ventures and keep the posts coming.

  5. mh

    NATO chief thanks Trump for pushing allies to spend more on defense

    I’ll have a look on ABC News tonight.

  6. Myrddin Seren

    Every UG and a lot of OC miners in Australia know this. The water is so dense and hard, spillage of it in meaningful quantities over native landscapes becomes an environmental hazard/incident to be reported to the Govt authorities.

    Springvale Colliery and Mt Piper Power Station.

    The mine had a consent to release water with a certain amount of salinity.

    The government changed the rules.

    A handful of Greenies lead by some uni professor who lives at Dulwich Hill ( FFS ) launched lawfare to close the mine.

    Which would put NSW in an’ interesting’ position power-wise, because alternative supplies of coal for Mt Piper are not so easily come by.

    From the attached article, see how far Centennial and Energy Australia have to cut the salinity by putting in an expensive and energy consuming desal plant.

    Note vacuous posturing by Luke Foley, trying to walk both sides of the barbed wire fence.

    Lawfare and protests against coal mining and power generation can only be expected to continue.

    So while we might wind up shivering in the dark and cold, at least the water supply won’t be too salty – if we had any water. Which we probably won’t. Because with an expanding population we haven’t built a new dam in decades. And you need reliable power to run desal plants.

  7. JC

    Many thanks to our farming Cats – Gez, John Constantine, 123andBush (is that right?) et al. Good luck in your worthy ventures and keep the posts coming.

    And me too! I was a farmer for a couple of years. 🙂

  8. Farmer Gez

    Is it possible to clean underground water through any sort of system and still be economical? Some years ago, I read that MIT had come out with a extremely fine mesh thing that would purify water. Irrigation water wouldn’t have to be as clean as say drinking water of course.

    That would require vision and lots of cheap power to pump the water.
    We don’t have those factors at our disposal.
    Reverse osmosis is the system you are thinking of and is available for small scale use.

  9. JC

    That would require vision and lots of cheap power to pump the water.
    We don’t have those factors at our disposal.
    Reverse osmosis is the system you are thinking of and is available for small scale use.

    How cheap would power have to be, Gez. I’m not asking for exact number in terms of cents per hour. Just more or less a rough percentage

  10. Delta A

    I was a farmer for a couple of years.

    A farmer of shares and market blips and opportunity.

    (Oh yes, and a few old cows.)

    Keep your posts coming, too, JC. 🙂

  11. Makka

    Myrddin Seren
    #2817802, posted on September 16, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    I see your point MS however salinity varies widely from place to place too. I’ve see plenty of dewatering operations where the water is so corrosive you can’t get more than 12 months out of the pumping equipment, where mining vehicle rims, axle housings and whole axle groups are changed out due to water corrosion after 2-3 years. To the touch the water is like slime. In some places you would think the water is more of an acid!

  12. Stimpson J. Cat

    You keep on bashing freedom Stimpy.
    Why?

    Let’s not exaggerate away here Dot.
    “Bashing Freedom.”
    Ha ha ha ha ha ja ja!!!

  13. H B Bear

    Not really HB.
    The initial pool funds were guaranteed by Provincial governments but once the scheme got going and funds built up, then it became self sustaining.

    Well that would be a first. Any time I hear insurance and government I figure someone is getting screwed.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    And me too! I was a farmer for a couple of years.

    This explains all your whinging JC.

  15. Snoopy

    The water levels in the Great Artesian Basin were falling due to uncapped bores used for livestock watering. Hence the capping program during the Howard government. There’s no way that natural replenishment of the GAB could compensate for the demand from broadscale irrigated crops.

  16. entropy

    Great ArtesianBasin water is not the same as that saltier stuff from shallower aquifers like the coal seams or the fresh water precipice aquifer in the Surat Basin.

    Most of western Queensland properties have access to artesian or sub artesian water. And where they don’t, they use dams, which in a long drought cut out. the artisan water doesn’t though.

    Thats what makes it so amusing when idiots start coming up with stupid ideas like trucking vast quantities of water inland, or the bradfield scheme. There is water for livestock, just no grass. It isn’t feasible to try to irrigate either, the area is too vast.

  17. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stop Bashing Freedom Callaxy please.

  18. entropy

    The bore capping program is still ongoing snoopy, the ones that remain are the real hard and expensive ones to cap. The said, pressure in the GAB is rising quite nicely already.

  19. Makka

    James Woods twitter feed has to be one of the best going. Always worth a peek with some funny but so true memes.

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods

    He links this about the abject failure of Obama’s pet Rahm Emanuel’s abject failures in Chicago who is now walking away in disgrace;

    https://nypost.com/2018/09/14/rahm-emanuels-failure-is-an-ill-omen-for-all-democrats/

    It had a great economic heritage and enjoyed robust growth in the 1990s.

    It has been downhill since. Chicago and Illinois have been hobbled by metastasizing pension obligations, frozen in place by state courts and state House speaker Michael Madigan. Taxes have been rising: Shoppers on North Michigan Avenue pay the nation’s highest taxes.

    MORE ON:
    CHICAGO
    Cop found dead in police station parking lot in apparent suicide
    Kidnapping suspect left at the altar before courthouse wedding
    Cancer survivor killed by stray bullet hours after move to Chicago
    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel not seeking re-election

    Chicagoans have been voting with their feet. Metro Chicago has by far the highest percentage of domestic out-migration of any major metropolitan area, and net outflow this decade is 5 percent of its 2010 population. In particular, blacks have been leaving metro Chicago for Atlanta and other points south.

    At the same time, Emanuel acquiesced in Obama administration oversight of the city’s police department. And police officers’ retreat from proactive policing has led to enormous increases in shootings and homicides.

  20. JC

    This explains all your whinging JC.

    ‘sactly.

    I went there twice over the 2 years and each time I came home with a massive grass allergy requiring antihistamines and Nasonex. I’m not a “rural” person. I get that now. 🙂 Literally, I get headaches 30 minutes out of town.

  21. entropy

    we should not start using artesian water, or any underground water for that matter, for irrigation. A bad idea.

    people have no idea how much water you need to irrigate.

  22. JC

    The water levels in the Great Artesian Basin were falling due to uncapped bores used for livestock watering.

    And you know that how, Textor. Evidence!

    Hence the capping program during the Howard government. There’s no way that natural replenishment of the GAB could compensate for the demand from broadscale irrigated crops.

    Evidence also required for this assertion.

  23. Farmer Gez

    How cheap would power have to be, Gez. I’m not asking for exact number in terms of cents per hour. Just more or less a rough percentage

    I don’t know but I can tell you that the irrigation district at Naracoorte in SA was stuffed by extraction controls and power price rises that put pumping costs from twenty grand to well over a hundred grand in a handful of years.
    Lots of stranded assets thanks to enviro bureaucrats.

  24. JC

    we should not start using artesian water, or any underground water for that matter, for irrigation. A bad idea.

    people have no idea how much water you need to irrigate.

    Ent,

    That only becomes true if we really know how much water is under the hood. I really don’t think we do. Furthermore, what’s the point of keeping water under the ground if we believe there isn’t enough. Let people use as much as they want and let the cards fall where they do.

  25. JC

    I don’t know but I can tell you that the irrigation district at Naracoorte in SA was stuffed by extraction controls and power price rises that put pumping costs from twenty grand to well over a hundred grand in a handful of years.
    Lots of stranded assets thanks to enviro bureaucrats.

    That’s truly shocking. It’s also a silent death. The trouble is that it’s very difficult to quantify the destruction these disgusting pests have caused because they are likely to be pocketed here and there and you can’t quite point to it all in a easy way.

    Sth Aust is fucked because of that.

  26. mh

    Buildings crumble and sway as Super Typhoon #Mangkhut rips through HongKong

    https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1041229264425836544?s=20

    .

  27. .

    The worst thing is water exploration cannot be rewarded. In NSW, if you find more water, you don’t own it. You have to apply for a licence to own it.

    Incentivise finding water and…

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    I went there twice over the 2 years and each time I came home with a massive grass allergy requiring antihistamines and Nasonex.

    Italians get very sick if they are away from concrete for any extended length of time.
    Everyone knows this JC.
    You need to take better care of yourself.
    Maybe don’t work as hard.

  29. Makka

    people have no idea how much water you need to irrigate.

    A little anecdote. In the 80’s Saudi Arabia went on a massive water pumping binge, irrigating their desert to grow wheat and other grains. Much for export again under subsidy, to keep the desert tribes busy and prevent them killing each other while they support the Royal Family. Tens of thousands of crop circles were subsidised by generous Govt grants. They pumped good water from initially say 30-40 feet down using 500-80 HP engines. The last I heard they were many hundreds of feet down using 5-600 HP engines. How many gigalitres sprayed over the desert to grow subsidised crops? Now they have had to build numerous desal plants just to provide water to their own population.

    They were exporting bags of water in effect. Ruined their aquifer.

  30. JC

    Mark A

    I wasn’t suggesting large scale desal plants. I do recall reading MIT had come up with a small membrane contraption, quite possibly based on reverse o science, which could be implemented at village scale.

    The above got me thinking this tech, if it’s been commercialized, could be viable for farming because it may not be as expensive to cleanse for irrigation water as against drinking kind. I’m not an expert in this field.. one of the few unfortunately. However I do have a friend who sits on the MIT board dealing with that stuff and how to commercialize any new tech those geeks come up with. True 🙂

  31. Farmer Gez

    As mentioned above, GMO tech could and would help create plants that could cope with water and heat/cold stress.
    Monsanto (debil debil) already has heat stress tolerant GM corn in the US. It is a bettter seller than the herbicide tolerant GM corn as farmers get such a huge benefit from yield and water use efficiency from the variety.
    We are lead by donkeys representing idiots.

  32. Mark A

    Mitch M.
    #2817668, posted on September 16, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Thanks, much appreciated. I’m doing some of it but not all, spec. the way we cook vegies.
    Mum’s way of cooking sticks with you and hard to change.
    (boil the living daylight out of it LOL)

  33. JC

    The worst thing is water exploration cannot be rewarded. In NSW, if you find more water, you don’t own it. You have to apply for a licence to own it.

    Bingo!

    The state ownership below the surface is a fucking cancer in this country. We may not be able to change the constitution, but the states could offer say 100% ownership below the surface from x point on.

  34. Snoopy

    Yesterday we saved the rhino. Today we made the deserts bloom. The Cat. There’s just nothing it can’t do.

  35. JC

    Good to see you’re focused everything I say. Everything!
    How about this Textor. Save the reframe for another day and try to come up with the evidence for your assertion, or better still fuck off back to Bolt’s where you skulked from to here, you boltrat.

    Do you have the evidence or not?

  36. Oh come on

    Left gone wild:

    Michael Moore’s Latest Conspiracy Theory: Maybe ‘Trump Wrote’ the Anonymous NYT Op-Ed

    Actually I considered this possibility myself not long after the op-ed came out. Trump is a master troll, of course. But I don’t think it’s true – the writing style isn’t Trump’s, for starters. Also, if the people being trolled don’t realise they’re being trolled, there’s no point to the exercise.

  37. Delta A

    the irrigation district at Naracoorte in SA was stuffed by extraction controls and power price rises that put pumping costs from twenty grand to well over a hundred grand in a handful of years.

    That is wicked!

    The south east of SA is blessed with huge underground water supplies. In the early 1900’s there were major projects to drain the south east swamps and open up the area for farm or forest land*. (If you’re ever in the area, visit the Woakwine Cutting to see an astonishing example of this.)

    But of course, some authority is going to exploit all that available water.

    *(I actually wrote a novel relating to this. And it was accepted and published (by a publisher) and still brings me fan mail. Smartypants author thingy off/)

  38. Myrddin Seren

    I’ve see plenty of dewatering operations where the water is so corrosive you can’t get more than 12 months out of the pumping equipment, where mining vehicle rims, axle housings and whole axle groups are changed out due to water corrosion after 2-3 years. To the touch the water is like slime. In some places you would think the water is more of an acid!

    S**t. Thanks Makka.

    This is one harsh continent. Let’s hope the Aliens terraform nicely here.

  39. Stimpson J. Cat

    the writing style isn’t Trump’s, for starters.

    The best rumor I have heard is that it was The Kush.
    That would be epic.

  40. Mark A

    JC
    #2817827, posted on September 16, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    Mark A

    I wasn’t suggesting large scale desal plants. I do recall reading MIT had come up with a small membrane contraption, quite possibly based on reverse o science, which could be implemented at village scale.

    I’m dreaming of course, but a channel from the sea to the inland where extra large scale solar even at low efficiency could be employed, desalination could be viable.

    Having said that, there are other ways to achieve the same by using natural precip. more efficiently.
    Like not watering the seas. Irrigating the whole of WQ or SA is not possible Just too big and not needed.
    But at times of severe prolonged droughts, having some irrigated paddocks is possible and would be nice.
    Question is ROI. Probably not worth it.

    I’m in general not in fav. of large scale renewables for the obvious limitations and shortcomings.
    They have their niche places, but that’s all.

  41. Myrddin Seren

    Now they have had to build numerous desal plants just to provide water to their own population.

    If only there was a group of people living in the harsh and tired lands of the Middle East who had some how found a way to rebuild the soils and provide water for growing populations and agriculture ?

    It’s a real head stumper ??

  42. Makka

    Also, if the people being trolled don’t realise they’re being trolled, there’s no point to the exercise.

    No point until they do know.

    How do you think “Fake News” Trump trolling would go with the scalp of NYT on his belt?

  43. Oh come on

    It would be epic if Trump turned out to be behind the NYT deep state op-ed.

  44. Oh come on

    Layers upon layers of fact-checking redux.

  45. JC

    Where’s Stimson

    Where, where, where.

  46. Myrddin Seren

    the writing style isn’t Trump’s, for starters.

    The best rumor I have heard is that it was The Kush.

    On a serious note, this Twitter Blogger thinks she has the Swamp Creature responsible figured out.

  47. Oh come on

    Remember the letter that then-candidate Trump presented to Jimmy Kimmel, purportedly written by Trump’s doctor that, in the most ridiculous hyperbole imaginable, attested to Trump’s rude health? That letter was obviously written by Trump.

  48. Stimpson J. Cat

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    When will Republican leadership learn that they are being played like a fiddle by the Democrats on Border Security and Building the Wall? Without Borders, we don’t have a country. With Open Borders, which the Democrats want, we have nothing but crime! Finish the Wall!
    6:38 AM · Sep 16, 2018

  49. old bloke

    Delta A
    #2817834, posted on September 16, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    The south east of SA is blessed with huge underground water supplies. In the early 1900’s there were major projects to drain the south east swamps and open up the area for farm or forest land*. (If you’re ever in the area, visit the Woakwine Cutting to see an astonishing example of this.)

    That’s amazing, I’ve never heard of it before, just two men and a tractor.

  50. Stimpson J. Cat

    Holy Sh$t.

    George Papadopoulos
    @GeorgePapa19
    An Israeli diplomat named Christian cantor, who hated Trump, introduced me to his ‘girlfriend’ who just happened to be an Australian intel officer and assistant to Downer. Named Erika Thompson. After I humiliate David Cameron in the British press, Downer wants to meet.
    7:03 AM · Sep 16, 2018

  51. Mullumhillbilly

    … desalinated water for irrigation…

    Where are you going to put all the salt?

    Even assuming power could be sourced cheaply enough to pump and run reverse osmosis, there will be millions of tonnes of salt to be moved. You’d need coal train like infrastructure to transport a product that’s worthless.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    Downer must end up in Gitmo.

    What a deplorable faggot he is.

  53. calli

    If only there was a group of people living in the harsh and tired lands of the Middle East who had some how found a way to rebuild the soils and provide water for growing populations and agriculture ?

    It’s a real head stumper ??

    😃

    Techline/Netafilm. Another marvelous Israeli invention.

  54. JC

    Mullumhillbilly
    #2817851, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    … desalinated water for irrigation…

    Where are you going to put all the salt?

    Even assuming power could be sourced cheaply enough to pump and run reverse osmosis, there will be millions of tonnes of salt to be moved. You’d need coal train like infrastructure to transport a product that’s worthless.

    Not necessarily. depending in the salt content in inland water. Also it’s not for all as disposal would have be part of the calculations too.

  55. Oh come on

    ‘Donald Trump is the greatest troll the world has ever seen’

    Trump didn’t run in 2000 with a drag queen. Or not the drag queen shown. That’s Rudy Giuliani. No, really – it is. I remember when that video came out, was pretty funny at the time but no one rated Trump as a contender back then. It was more remarkable because of Rudy’s role rather than Donald’s.

    I love that video, though. The best part is when he dumps on the GOP primary opponents.

  56. Whalehunt fun

    The Kingdom of Kush or Kush was an ancient kingdom in Nubia, located at the Sudanese and southern Egyptian Nile Valley. The Kushite era of rule in Nubia was established after the Late Bronze Age collapse and the disintegration of the New Kingdom of Egypt. Kush was centered at Napata during its early phase. Wikipedia

    So nit likely they authored the document.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings.
    😁

  58. Oh come on

    Hahahahaha I’d forgotten about Trump’s children’s book Winners Aren’t Losers.

    What also makes that video interesting is that it was made before Trump won the election.

  59. JC

    Stimson

    I don’t understand your dislike of Shapiro. He may not like Trump, although he’s not off the planet, as he does say he supports what he’s done on things that go with his (Shapiro) ideology. Shapiro is also extremely articulate and destroys leftist arguments/positions time and time again.

    What is wrong with him?

  60. John Constantine

    We do know heaps about Australias aquifiers.

    Modelling sustainable yield from an oil and gas reserve is now a pretty accurate science and water aquifiers full of fossil water can be modelled without much argument.

    Allowing the chicoms to come in, buy a cattle station and gut the fossil water aquifier to grow a few years crops, at the cost of having no stock water for hundreds of kilometres around them after they have finished is like:

    Selling the chicoms the right to clear fell all the timber that holds a tropical islands topsoil from washing into the sea.

    Selling the chicoms the right to use dynamite and cyanide to strip all the reef fish from a tropical islands protective reef, the one that stops the island washing into the sea.

    Allowing the chicoms to dredge bare undersea mounts of two hundred year old fish for a one off harvest.

    Wells draining aquifiers are like straws in a swimming pool full of free beer, if everybody just sips as fast as the pool refills, it is fine, but allowing one group to pay a bribe to set up a firefighting pump to drain it in minutes, then piss into the puddles they left makes no sense at all.

  61. Boambee John

    Gab
    #2817787, posted on September 16, 2018 at 5:27 pm
    NYT is blaming “climate change” for the typhoon that hit the Philippines and Hong Kong.

    Yawn.

    The NYT needs to check out the typhoon that hit tge US Pacific Fleet off the Philippines in WW II.

    Three (iirc) destroyers simply disappeared, the bow broke off a heavy cruiser, many aircraft were wrecked on carrier deck parks, and many other ships were damaged.

  62. Oh come on

    Stimps, cut it out. You rank Lauren Southern’s intellectual chops above Jordan Peterson’s. You ought not be laughing at anyone on that basis alone.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Sep 13
    First Boring Brick store opening in ~2 months. Only 10 cents a brick! Rated for California seismic loads.

    Elon Musk
    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Bricks will be free if used for affordable housing projects.

  64. Farmer Gez

    Be sure you watch the Sunday Project next week when Lisa Wilkinson interviews Serena Williams.
    Guess who ends up being vilified?
    What an appalling piece of work she is!

  65. Stimpson J. Cat

    You rank Lauren Southern’s intellectual chops above Jordan Peterson’s.

    Did I really?
    Show me where exactly.
    The only things of Lauren’s I would rank more highly than JP are her T n’ A.
    Also her hair.
    It’s lovely.

  66. Snoopy

    Wells draining aquifiers are like straws in a swimming pool full of free beer, if everybody just sips as fast as the pool refills, it is fine, but allowing one group to pay a bribe to set up a firefighting pump to drain it in minutes, then piss into the puddles they left makes no sense at all.

    That can’t be right. Surely underground water doesn’t move beyond surface property boundaries?

  67. John Constantine

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia

    Talk was the saudis could grow barley for 500 to 750 bucks a tonne under irrigation [ breakeven on direct inputs], but that was making zero provision for the depreciation of their fossil water reserves, and never mentioned about the capital costs of the infrastructure that the state paid for.

  68. Anne

    The Kavanagh vote is next Thursday.

    Once he’s confirmed I think we’ll see the unredacted FISA documents and maybe even the 9/11 and JFK files released.

    Also next Thursday FEMA will do its first test of the Wireless Emergency Alert system that allows President Trump to send a message to most US cell phones.

    An Anon wit thought it might go something like this:

    MY FELLOW AMERICANS. THE MEDIA IS LYING. YOUR TRUSTED LEADERS ARE BEING ARRESTED FOR TREASON. MEASURES HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC. PLEASE BE CALM WHILE AMERICA IS BEING RESTORED. THE STORM IS UPON US.

  69. Oh come on

    Bricks will be free if used for affordable housing projects.

    Musk trying to atone for branding one of the Thai cave rescuers a [email protected]?

    It was conspicuous shows of do-gooding that got him into that whole mess in the first place – he needs to watch his step. An affordable housing charity will politely decline his offer because they already have the materials they need for their current projects, and that night Musk will get on the Ambien and accuse them of building [email protected] dungeons or somesuch.

  70. Elle

    JC, don’t question Stimpy on things J*wish. He has a particular view.

    On Ben listen here. Yes!

  71. Makka

    John Constantine
    #2817870, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    A lot of the grain ended up in African and ME islamist nations as aid donations. They destroyed their aquifer for brother head bangers and rag heads.

  72. Oh come on

    Did I really?
    Show me where exactly.

    Sorry, my apologies. It wasn’t Lauren Southern. It was the other hot one whose intellectual chops you rate above Jordan Peterson’s. I forget her name.

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    I do recall reading MIT had come up with a small membrane contraption, quite possibly based on reverse o science, which could be implemented at village scale.

    Recent article:

    Portable freshwater harvester could draw up to 10 gallons per hour from the air (21 Aug)

    For thousands of years, people in the Middle East and South America have extracted water from the air to help sustain their populations. Drawing inspiration from those examples, researchers are now developing a lightweight, battery-powered freshwater harvester that could someday take as much as 10 gallons per hour from the air, even in arid locations. They say their nanofiber-based method could help address modern water shortages due to climate change, industrial pollution, droughts and groundwater depletion.

    Next, Wong hopes to obtain additional funding to build a prototype of the freshwater harvester. He anticipates that, once his team is able to produce the prototype, it should be inexpensive to manufacture.

    Admittedly North Carolina is currently harvesting a little more than 10 gallons/hr from the air right now, but they don’t have much choice in the matter. Maybe we should learn to steer tropical rain depressions to where they’re needed.

  74. JC

    Still no evidence Textor.

    So you were lying again?

  75. Roger

    Be sure you watch the Sunday Project next week when Lisa Wilkinson interviews Serena Williams.
    Guess who ends up being vilified?

    I’m guessing it’s not a certain bloke who referred to an African-American man as a gorilla?

  76. Farmer Gez

    John Constantine
    #2817870, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    A lot of the grain ended up in African and ME islamist nations as aid donations. They destroyed their aquifer for brother head bangers and rag heads.

    And where does this rate in the pantheon of foibles in relation to ruinables?

  77. JC

    Elle

    I don’t care if Shapiro is Masai. He’s broadly right with his positions and he gives the Left a hiding whenever they try to tangle with him.

  78. Roger

    Cn.: a South African black man.

  79. wivenhoe

    there will be millions of tonnes of salt to be moved. You’d need coal train like infrastructure to transport a product that’s worthless.

    Send it to Lake Eyre, compact it, and set the new world speed record on land?

  80. Myrdin:

    Lawfare and protests against coal mining and power generation can only be expected to continue.

    Just before last Christmas, the Greenies put out an extensive plan about how they were going to sabotage our coal and power supplies.
    It’s working well.

  81. Makka

    And where does this rate in the pantheon of foibles in relation to ruinables?

    Blessed as they from Allah with so much hydrocarbon wealth, those KSA desal plants are powered by oodles of the readily available fossil fuel. In the 90’s, KSA petrol was cheaper than drinking water to purchase at one point.

  82. Zyconoclast

    Spot the obvious error in casting.

    Bell Shakespeare’s JULIUS CAESAR
    Starring Kenneth Ransom

    https://www.bellshakespeare.com.au/whats-on/juliuscaesar/

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  84. JC

    The GAB is estimated at 22% of the Continental landmass. It also appears we have no idea about what a rich resource it could be. Of course, the best news is that we’re not using it that much 🙂

    Background

    The GAB is one of the largest underground freshwater reservoirs in the world. It is one of the few major artesian basins in the world that have not been over exploited. It underlies approximately 22% of Australia – an area of more than 1.7 million square kilometres, beneath arid and semi-arid parts of Queensland, New South Wales, South Australia and the Northern Territory. The GAB is Australia’s largest and most important groundwater resource.

    Water extracted from the GAB is the only reliable water source for communities, industries and landholders in the arid and semi-arid parts underlain by the Basin. Water from the GAB has shaped much of the natural and cultural history of central Australia. Without GAB water, economic development and social infrastructure in many GAB regions would not have been able to occur and could not continue into the future.

    In contrast to other major water resources in this country there is very little accurate timely information about the quantities of water extracted from the GAB, what the water is used for, and the economic, social and environmental values that accrue from using the water.

    Robust knowledge of the quantity and value of resources and the likely return on investment enables governments, industries and communities to develop effective policies and make sound decisions that achieve the best outcomes from GAB water supplies.

    On the initiative of the Great Artesian Basin Coordinating Committee (GABCC), in 2016 government jurisdictions with responsibilities for the GAB commissioned a report on current and future water use and users in the GAB, and the value of industries or sectors dependent on Basin water.

  85. Bruce of Newcastle

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Sep 13
    First Boring Brick store opening in ~2 months. Only 10 cents a brick! Rated for California seismic loads.

    Human innovation started with rocks, then fire, the wheel and finally rockets to orbit.
    Elon innovation started with rockets to orbit, then the wheel, fire and now rocks.

  86. Infidel Tiger

    In a righteous world we would all be cognisnant of the fact that Shapiro and Southern are grifters, frauds and icons of the idiocracy. At least Southern has nice tits. Shapiro is a sawn off turd.

  87. C.L.

    Woodward has always been considered dishonest.

    From the get-go.
    He and that midget Bernstein got their break reporting a national security operation that arose out of the criminal collusion of traitor Daniel Ellsberg and the Democrat Party; they were working to boost the North Vietnamese during the war. In those days of filing cabinets, getting information required physical (rather than cyber) information gathering. That’s all “Watergate” was. Obama’s (and Hillary’s) Wussia operation, on the other hand, involved illegally purchasing phony documents from Moscow, illegally presenting them to FISA judges to secure warrants whose purpose was to illegally spy on Donald Trump so as to illegally win a presidential election.

  88. .

    Ease up Bruce, cementitious product chem. is fascinating. That and adhesives. Blu Tac AFAIK is a proprietary secret.

  89. Snoopy

    How many cubic metres of water are required to irrigate 100 hectares with 20 mm of water?

  90. Gab

    Would people please stop yelling my name? Ta.

  91. .

    IT.

    What have you got against Andrew Klavan?

  92. cohenite

    Faith Goldy and Lauren Southern, not to mention Tomi Lahren. Conservative women are magnificent. Name a left-wing bint who can compete with that little group.

  93. Gab

    Human innovation started with rocks, then fire,

    And that’s as far as our indigenous got with innovation.

  94. Stimpson J. Cat

    JC, don’t question Stimpy on things J*wish. He has a particular view.

    Don’t be silly Elle.
    There is plenty of room for everyone on the Trump Train.

  95. Myrddin Seren

    Scroll by if already seen. The Good Lady Wife just showed this to me –

    Wayne’s World triumphant:

    Green Day Crowd Singing Bohemian Rhapsody – Hyde Park July 1st, 2017

    Note – there is no band on stage, just the instrumental to amuse the crowd, who picks up and runs with it.

    As the second comment says:

    If you can rock 65,000 people in a concert 27 years after your death and without being there, you are not just a singer, you are a legend.

  96. Infidel Tiger

    Did I mention Klavan?

    Dot your autism is very fucking annoying at times. Stick to the material at hand and follow doctors orders.

  97. cohenite

    Obama’s (and Hillary’s) Wussia operation, on the other hand, involved illegally purchasing phony documents from Moscow, illegally presenting them to FISA judges to secure warrants whose purpose was to illegally spy on Donald Trump so as to illegally win a presidential election.

    And to illegally cover Hillary’s illegal activity.

  98. JC

    Snoopy
    #2817894, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:40 pm

    How many cubic metres of water are required to irrigate 100 hectares with 20 mm of water?

    Now The Textor is asking questions in an attempt to avoid the evidence expected for the assertions he made.

    Admit you were lying.

  99. John Constantine

    20 acre feet mr snoopy, I like the acre foot as people can visualise a quarter acre house block with four feet of water on it.

  100. .

    Nope, just checking if your concern is Kayfabe or not. You lash out because staying in character as a rusted on DLP voter from the 1960s is hard to do, IT.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ease up Bruce, cementitious product chem. is fascinating.

    Dot – if you ever need to get to sleep, read Iler.

  102. .

    Stick to the material at hand

    Yep, IT should have had a crack at being a WWF heel.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    Faith Goldy and Lauren Southern, not to mention Tomi Lahren. Conservative women are magnificent. Name a left-wing bint who can compete with that little group.

    Bloody hell. They spout boiler plate platitudes and have nice tits. Nothing more.

  104. Makka

    And to illegally cover Hillary’s illegal activity.

    Activities.

    The most important aspect of the whole Wussia! diversion IMO.

    The Clinton Foundation scam ropes in not just Clinton and the US Govt but also worldwide powerful actors.

  105. C.L.

    Scott Morrison kicks off his tenure with a virtue-signaling Royal Commission whose basic premise is denialism. What I mean is that our society now has zero respect for its own elderly family members, doesn’t want them around and doesn’t want to look after them. Because lifestyle. So the elderly are packed off to facilities (called “homes” in a noteworthy Orwellian twist) where low-paid metaphorical Mexicans look after them (sometimes badly). This is the real moral crisis at hand. When CCTV footage comes to light showing maltreatment we do out best Captain Louis Renault – expressing our shock – shock – that there is maltreatment going on here. Being founded on self-deluding, self-serving lies, it follows ineluctably that the RC’s findings will be utterly worthless. Good enough for ScoMo.

  106. John Constantine

    http://africabusiness.com/2018/09/14/china-djibouti/

    “How Djibouti like Zambia is about to lose its port to China”

  107. .

    C.L.
    #2817911, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    Bang on.

  108. Farmer Gez

    -4 temps in the south east WA grain belt yesterday.
    A good season over there, so the damage might not be huge but it will shave hundreds of thousands of tonnes off the crop.
    I blame ScoMo.

  109. Leigh Lowe

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2817865, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Sep 13
    First Boring Brick store opening in ~2 months. Only 10 cents a brick! Rated for California seismic loads.

    Elon Musk
    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Bricks will be free if used for affordable housing projects.

    What the fuck is he smoking?
    No, wait, we know that.
    Why the fuck is he smoking 24/7 and Tweeting.

  110. John Constantine

    https://asia.nikkei.com/magazine/20180222/Politics-Economy/China-debt-puts-the-Maldives-at-risk-of-land-grab-ex-leader-warns

    “COLOMBO Massive debts could force the Maldives to cede territory to China as early as 2019, according to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed, who also warns that a flawed presidential election this year would open the door for a Chinese takeover of the island nation.

    “We can’t pay the $1.5-2 billion debt to China,” Nasheed told the NikkeiAsian Review in an interview in Sri Lanka. He said the Indian Ocean country, known mostly as a tourist destination, takes in less than $100 million a month in government revenue.

    Nasheed, who held office from 2008 to 2012, fled to the U.K. in 2016 following his arrest and conviction under anti-terrorism laws for ordering the arrest of a judge. He now splits his time between there and Sri Lanka.

    As of January, obligations to China accounted for “nearly 80%” of the Maldives’ foreign debt, according to Nasheed. Much of the money went into infrastructure, including roads, bridges and airports. But these are “vanity projects,” according to Nasheed, “roads going to nowhere, airports that [will sit] empty.” And the debt to finance all of this, he said, carries high interest rates.”

  111. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #2817897, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    Faith Goldy and Lauren Southern, not to mention Tomi Lahren. Conservative women are magnificent. Name a left-wing bint who can compete with that little group.”

    Not sure about Goldy. She made a big mistake last year going to Charlottesville. I don’t think that she has shown great judgment. Why? I think she buys into some unsavoury conspiracies and she also likes to frequent some dark places that a savvier person would best avoid.

  112. I had one of these that I took to remote communities just for drinking water. Didn’t need the tank. It just worked on pressure differentials and threw away about 60% of really brackish water. The water that came out was pure. Just hung it up in the laundry, connected it to the tap, and it took about two hours to fill a 20 liter water bottle.

  113. Gab

    So the Maldives aren’t sinking because of rising oceans then?

  114. Snoopy

    20 acre feet mr snoopy,

    That’s a lot of storage required to provide the equivalent of a good shower.

  115. cohenite

    Bloody hell. They spout boiler plate platitudes and have nice tits. Nothing more.

    Please elaborate, preferably with visuals not talking heads of some beta millennial criticising them like dot put up. And bear in mind I’ve met Southern and Goldy and they’re impressive.

  116. Snoopy

    Massive debts could force the Maldives to cede territory to China as early as 2019, according to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed,

    That has to be a bargain.

  117. P

    John Constantine #2817913, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    http://africabusiness.com/2018/09/14/china-djibouti/
    “How Djibouti like Zambia is about to lose its port to China”

    “As the cradle of mankind continues to sink deeper into debt condemning future generations to economic slavery, the late Whitney Houston feat Deborah Cox classic ‘Same Script, Different Cast’ has never rang truer.”
    http://africabusiness.com/2018/09/14/china-djibouti/

  118. Cassie of Sydney

    Snoopy
    #2817924, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:59 pm
    Massive debts could force the Maldives to cede territory to China as early as 2019, according to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed,

    That has to be a bargain.”

    Isn’t the Maldives sinking because of rising sea levels due to man made climate change? Obviously the Chinese know better.

  119. John Constantine

    http://www.malleehighway.com.au/html/pinnaroo.html

    Growing potatos in the mallee sand means easier cleaning than growing them in sticky Ballarat dirt.

    “Development of Irrigation in the Mallee

    The Mines and Energy Department could envisage the potential use of the underground water resource for extensive irrigation into the future. Plans began in the early 1980’s to proclaim an area near Pinnaroo and Lameroo as an irrigation area. The quality and quantity of water was excellent for horticultural use, however careful management needed to be put in place to ensure the water resource was used sustainably.

    Hydrologists calculated how much water could be extracted from the resource allowing an overall mining of the aquifer by an average of 5cm per year. This would mean that 16% of the resource would be used after 300 years of irrigation, if there was 100% usage of the irrigation allowed. They set about developing a plan to allow water for irrigation on a Hundred basis to ensure irrigation did not occur in one area only and to promote development throughout the district. ”

    The aquifier also underpins the drinking water for livestock operations over a wide area.

    All a function of distance to market and value of bulk commodity and infrastructure and logistics.

    Wool at ten to fifteen thousand dollars a tonne greasy is simple to transport long distances at a profit, the humble spud not so much.

  120. Snoopy

    How Djibouti like Zambia is about to loose its port to China

    Unfortunate heading.

  121. .

    You have fallen for style over substance, cohenite.

  122. Frank

    Good Morning Men Of Catallaxy!

    More like a gynaecomastia sufferers convention.

  123. Infidel Tiger

    Some good polls out for Morrison. Moving in the right direction.

    Media going berserk is a reminder that he is a vast improvement over that last xunt eyed xunt.

  124. Delta A

    our society now has zero respect for its own elderly family members,

    But there are bright, shining exceptions, C.L.

    Daughter and SiL moved with their four children from KI to a mainland town where they could take his elderly mother permanently into their home to care for her and oversee her medical treatment. At 85 yo, she has several issues, two serious, but all requiring constant monitoring.

    Then, when her 73 yo uncle required surgery on his hands, leaving him virtually helpless for a time, she doubled up her children’s sleeping arrangements and brought him (and his doggie) to their home for the first difficult week after his surgery, finally allowing him to leave with a good supply of frozen meals to see him to better days.

    Next month she is going to an event in Melbourne, then stopping by at another elderly uncle’s house to “tidy up a bit a make a few dinners,” as she puts it.

    “And,” she chirps to me, “when you and Dad can’t travel anymore, I want you to move in with us, too.”

    It would be bedlam! But I love her even more for the offer.

  125. Infidel Tiger

    our society now has zero respect for its own elderly family members,

    Good. The boomers all deserve to die alone and in squalid conditions. Shirkers, malingerers and leaners, one and all.

  126. Infidel Tiger

    7:59 pm
    Massive debts could force the Maldives to cede territory to China as early as 2019, according to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed,

    Good. Better the Chinks take it over than the Islamist scum who currently run the joint.

  127. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2817931, posted on September 16, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Some good polls out for Morrison. Moving in the right direction.

    Media going berserk is a reminder that he is a vast improvement over that last xunt eyed xunt.

    I’m not surprised, although I still think it’s a really tough bike ride.

    But fuck hey, it’s a long time since we’ve seen a Lib PM out and about in public and being the average bloke. He’s actually working hard at it. Moreover, he’s got a mortgage and lives in the shire. We’ll see, but he initially appears to have that common man touch like Hawke.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    Massive debts could force the Maldives to cede territory to China as early as 2019, according to former Maldivian President Mohamed Nasheed

    I hope our former PM does an Al Gore and goes diving in the Maldives.

    Maldives cabinet to meet underwater to highlight perils of climate change (2009)

    The President of the Maldives, Mohamed Nasheed, is to preside over the world’s first underwater cabinet meeting on Oct. 17, 2009, off the island of Girifushi — about 20 minutes journey by speed boat from the capital Male, to draw global attention to the pressing issue of climate change.

    Turnbull and Nasheed would probably get on quite well.

  129. C.L.

    Daughter and SiL moved with their four children from KI to a mainland town where they could take his elderly mother permanently into their home to care for her and oversee her medical treatment. At 85 yo, she has several issues, two serious, but all requiring constant monitoring.

    Then, when her 73 yo uncle required surgery on his hands, leaving him virtually helpless for a time, she doubled up her children’s sleeping arrangements and brought him (and his doggie) to their home for the first difficult week after his surgery, finally allowing him to leave with a good supply of frozen meals to see him to better days.

    Next month she is going to an event in Melbourne, then stopping by at another elderly uncle’s house to “tidy up a bit a make a few dinners,” as she puts it.

    “And,” she chirps to me, “when you and Dad can’t travel anymore, I want you to move in with us, too.”

    Delta, your daughter is a gem. I hope SIL appreciates what a lucky character he is.

  130. Snoopy

    Broncos are NRL Premiership favourites!

  131. John Constantine

    http://www.hppr.org/post/get-facts-about-ogallala-aquifer

    “In 1960 just 3 percent of the Ogallala aquifer under Western Kansas had been tapped. By 2010 it was 30 percent. By 2060 it will be 69 percent. And once depleted, it will take 500-1,300 years to completely refill. These projections are all from a recently issued, comprehensive, four year study from Kansas State University. “

  132. Eyrie

    geez, Chinks vs Islamists – popcorn time!

  133. .

    The thing is this aquifer research generally isn’t about helping farmers in the long run. It is about shutting down agriculture.

  134. Infidel Tiger

    Morrison is a complete cockhead but compared to Turnbull and Bishop he is a vast improvement.

    P.s weird that the media are avoiding taking about how much plastic surgery Bishop has had. Usually they are all over that. She would melt on a hot day.

  135. It’s Remarkable

    Snoopy: I get 20,000 cu metres = 20,000,000 litres to water 100 ha with (only) 20mm or water. People have no conception of the amounts of water needed.
    Also: 90% or so of Australia’s cereal crops are rain fed – not irrigated. Farmers have learned how to store rain through careful weed control in the non-crop period, in the soil.

  136. Makka

    Broncos are NRL Premiership favourites!

    STFU snoopy.

  137. cohenite

    You have fallen for style over substance, cohenite.

    I must be channelling Oscar.

    But as I asked give me an example of any other women taking it to the left, the muslims and the globalists. Having the guts to take it to those bastards is substance.

  138. .

    Farmers have learned how to store rain through careful weed control in the non-crop period, in the soil.

    Can you elaborate on this a little more?

  139. Bruce of Newcastle

    The thing is this aquifer research generally isn’t about helping farmers in the long run. It is about shutting down agriculture.

    Like “environmental flows”.
    Gaia’s urine is sacred.

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #2817935, posted on September 16, 2018 at 8:17 pm
    Infidel Tiger
    #2817931, posted on September 16, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Some good polls out for Morrison. Moving in the right direction.

    Media going berserk is a reminder that he is a vast improvement over that last xunt eyed xunt.

    I’m not surprised, although I still think it’s a really tough bike ride.

    But fuck hey, it’s a long time since we’ve seen a Lib PM out and about in public and being the average bloke. He’s actually working hard at it. Moreover, he’s got a mortgage and lives in the shire. We’ll see, but he initially appears to have that common man touch like Hawke.”

    Agree, but at least Morrison is on the bike.

  141. egg_

    20 acre feet

    That’s a lotta achy breaky feet…

  142. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “WHY I DETEST TOMI LAHREN”

    why do we not see the left eat their own like this. the not “principled enough”, not “living the values” shit is BS. conservative values have done little to halt the spread of cultural marxism, it’s time to broaden the tent.

  143. .

    Snoopy: I get 20,000 cu metres = 20,000,000 litres to water 100 ha with (only) 20mm or water. People have no conception of the amounts of water needed.

    You only need 100-150 mm (at a minimum) of rain when the crop is actually in the soil, right?

    For a comparison to river water, NSW temporary water in the south is trading for 330 AUD/ML right now, roughly.

  144. John Constantine

    Cheap and effective roundup herbicide allows summer growing weeds, that germinate after summer storms to be killed before they squander the rainfall, keeping the water in the soil for the winter crop.

    Cheap and effective roundup allows early sowing of crops to make the most of a short dry growing season, not having to cultivate and wait for weeds to die.

    Free atmospheric carbon fertiliser helps plants grow better in dry years.

    Less rain this year than in the 1982 dust storm year, but production heaps better.

    So far, no way around Frost risk though.

  145. Rae

    Faith Goldy is a pretend Canadian. As Ukrainian women go I don’t think she holds a candle to Yulia Tymoshenko.

  146. Delta A

    I hope SIL appreciates what a lucky character he is.

    He is a gem, too, C.L.

    His devotion to his mother is extraordinary. He oversees her diabetes checks, takes her to medical appointments and her hairdresser visits etc, and when he isn’t being an exceptional son and an excellent husband, he is the most adoring and attentive father that a bunch of exuberant children could wish for.

    And, with guitarists, drummers, flute players and sopranos scattered among them, they have the most rocking, amazing jam sessions imaginable.

  147. egg_

    Like “environmental flows”.
    Gaia’s urine is sacred.

    LMFAO
    Gaia’s tears…

  148. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #2817946, posted on September 16, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    But as I asked give me an example of any other women taking it to the left, the muslims and the globalists. Having the guts to take it to those bastards is substance.”

    Katie Hopkins, Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel, Yasmine Mohammed, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc. These women have lots of guts and take it to the bastards every day…..and they’ve all been threatened by the usual leftist fascist scum and adherents of the religion of peace.

  149. Eyrie

    OK finally found why I cannot get Sky news in Toowoomba. Seems they transmission is in Mpeg 4 format and older TV sets can’t do it. Wonderful.

    :

    Sky News On WIN

    What is this new channel called “Sky News on WIN”?
    The Australian News Channel and the WIN Network have come together to broadcast Sky News content across WIN’s regional free-to-air television network on a dedicated channel. This new channel will run 24/7 airing selected Sky News, Fox Sports and Sky Weather content spanning news, sport, weather and public affairs programming.

    When does it start and how can I watch it?
    Sky News on WIN will commence broadcasting at 6am on Sunday the 2nd of September. It will be broadcast either on Channel 53 in northern NSW or Channel 83 in all other WIN TV broadcast markets.

    Additionally, as with all new free-to-air channels, “Sky News on WIN” will be broadcast using the Mpeg 4 transmission format.

    What is Mpeg 4?
    Digital television broadcasting originally began in the older Mpeg 2 transmission format, but with technology improvements, an improved transmission format called Mpeg 4 was introduced. All TV broadcasters have embraced this new format by adding many new channels in Mpeg 4 (eg: All High Definition channels, 9Life, 7flix, the Racing Channel, Gold, TVSN and many more).

    How will watching “Sky News on WIN” in Mpeg 4 affect me?
    This depends on the age of your TV or receiving device. Television manufacturers began including Mpeg 4 capability in their TV’s about 6 to 7 years ago. The best way to check is to select Channel 83 (or 53 in nthn NSW). If you see pictures and audio, your TV or receiving device is Mpeg 4 compatible. However, some viewers with older non-compatible Mpeg 4 TV receivers or devices may only see black on their TV screen, or words on the screen saying “This service is Scrambled” or “No Signal”.

    I can’t view “Sky News on WIN”, what should I do?
    You will need to purchase either a new TV or receiving device that is compatible with Mpeg 4. The cheapest choice is to purchase a new Mpeg 4 compatible STB (Set Top Box) which are priced around the $50 to $75 price range. The STB will then need to be connected to your current TV via a cable, preferably via the HDMI input.

    Remember, that as well as now receiving “Sky News on WIN”, you will now also benefit from being able to view the many other new Mpeg 4 channels as mentioned above.

  150. John Constantine

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-silkroad-europe-montenegro-insi/chinese-highway-to-nowhere-haunts-montenegro-idUSKBN1K60QX

    PODGORICA (Reuters) – Perched atop massive cement pillars that tower above Montenegro’s picturesque Moraca river canyon, scores of Chinese workers are building a state-of-the-art highway through some of the roughest terrain in southern Europe”

    “A Chinese loan for the first phase has sent Montenegro’s debt soaring and forced the government to raise taxes, partially freeze public sector wages and end a benefit for mothers to get its finances in order.

    Despite those measures, Montenegro’s debt is expected to approach 80 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) this year and the International Monetary Fund says the country cannot afford to take on any more debt to finish its ambitious project.

    “There is a big question about how they complete it,” said an EU official who requested anonymity. “Their fiscal space has shrunk enormously. They have strangled themselves. And for the time being this is a highway to nowhere.”

  151. Rae

    So the Maldives aren’t sinking because of rising oceans then?

    Why would you care? All of the Maldivian Fushis have been just above or just below high water mark forever (almost). Great place to visit for divers.

  152. Boambee John


    John Constantine
    #2817913, posted on September 16, 2018 at 7:50 pm
    http://africabusiness.com/2018/09/14/china-djibouti/

    “How Djibouti like Zambia is about to lose its port to China”

    Soviets had Berbera in the 1980s.

    That went well!

  153. Snoopy

    Perched atop massive cement pillars that tower above Montenegro’s picturesque Moraca river canyon, scores of Chinese workers are building a state-of-the-art highway through some of the roughest terrain in southern Europe”

    Chicom cement, Chicom steel, Chicom labour. Chicom state of the art = ten year service life.

  154. Farmer Gez

    You only need 100-150 mm (at a minimum) of rain when the crop is actually in the soil, right?

    For a comparison to river water, NSW temporary water in the south is trading for 330 AUD/ML right now, roughly.

    One crucial factor in irrigation or useable rainfall. EVAPORATION.
    Most of rural Australia has an evaporation rate higher than rainfall.
    We can’t stop evaporation but we can modify crops to transpire less in heat events.
    GMO technology again. Ask the Greens about it, they’re very keen on science.

  155. cohenite

    Katie Hopkins, Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel, Yasmine Mohammed, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc

    Good list.

  156. 132andBush

    Less rain this year than in the 1982 dust storm year, but production heaps better.

    If it doesn’t rain in the next 10 days everything’s dead for us.

  157. Rae

    For Travis Bickle fans, Taxi Driver is on SBS Viceland tonight at 11.05 pm.

  158. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “A Chinese loan for the first phase has sent Montenegro’s debt soaring and forced the government to raise taxes, partially freeze public sector wages and end a benefit for mothers to get its finances in order.

    All those “harmless” USD the chinese have been holding seem to be working over time.

  159. JC

    Gools
    You shouldn’t be watching Taxi.

    Big mistake for you.

  160. Bruce of Newcastle

    “A Chinese loan for the first phase has sent Montenegro’s debt soaring and forced the government to raise taxes, partially freeze public sector wages and end a benefit for mothers to get its finances in order.

    The Balkans has ever been a borderlands where the great game is played.
    Russians are almost certainly dabbling too.
    A Protestant church in Montenegro, that we pray for in our church, has had their signage vandalised by Orthodox activists several times in the last couple months.
    Putin is encouraging Orthodoxism .
    Xi is encouraging debt peonage.
    May the best great power prevail in the Balkan graveyard for great power politics.

  161. Boambee John

    cohenite
    #2817964, posted on September 16, 2018 at 8:47 pm
    Katie Hopkins, Pamela Geller, Brigitte Gabriel, Yasmine Mohammed, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc

    Good list.

    Even better if you add Melanie Phillips. Author of Londonistan.

  162. It’s Remarkable

    Yeah, here in central/southern NSW their is no rain forecast for weeks. The crop is already going backwards at a rate of knots, last week was hard. Now we are expecting frost on several days this week.
    Gambling has nothing on this.

  163. It’s Remarkable

    Sheesh…. there not their….

  164. Oh come on

    Bloody hell. They spout boiler plate platitudes and have nice tits. Nothing more.

    Agree. They haven’t had an interesting or original thought between them. They’re just eye candy that say stuff you broadly agree with. Tomi Lahren is especially vacuous.

    Although IT, you are being a dick about Shapiro. I like Shapiro. Sometimes he’s a bit school marm-ish, a bit of a scold, but whatever. He is an important public intellectual.

  165. cohenite

    They haven’t had an interesting or original thought between them

    Yes they have. Southern on multiculturalism was brilliant.

  166. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Belgium ends funding for Palestinian schools over honoring of terrorist
    Editor of Jewish monthly calls on other countries in Europe to follow suit ‘so that fewer Palestinian children will be educated to hate — at least not with European money’

  167. Oh come on

    Sorry, what has Lauren Southern said about multiculturalism that hasn’t been said before?

  168. Ivan Denisovich

    Like “environmental flows”.
    Gaia’s urine is sacred.

    Neil Eagle:

    As the communities of the Murray-Darling Basin predicted, the progression has been from bad to disastrous! Massive adverse impacts on food and fibre production along with associated business employment and population reduction have occurred.

    Further to rub salt into the wounds, we now have state and federal Water Ministers (except for Victoria) voting to approve provision of the contentious extra 450 gigalitres of water to be squandered to the insatiable demands of South Australia.

    The environmental water holder is thus declining to make available water to stressed irrigators and those trying to save dying winter crops, at a time when New South Wales general security irrigators have zero allocation, even though Dartmouth is at 90 per cent and Hume at close to 50 per cent.

    The pretense is that the environment is still in need, just two years after being massively flooded. Not to speak of the huge amount of water that is due to flow into the system from the annual spring thaw.

    At this same time, South Australia has been flushing precious water in vast volumes through the open barrages out to sea.The environment has surplus allocation; as it had in 2004, when the previous findings of the House of Representatives Interim Report into the Living Murray were released.

    Furthermore, inconceivably, the upper states have agreed to allow South Australia to carry over water in the upper storages. This directly contravenes the basic rule of high-security water not being able to be carried over, the reason being that next year’s water has priority.

    As South Australia’s allocation is assured before any water is allocated to the upper states, this is an absurd situation, further diminishing the water available to the upper states by taking up dam space.

    It is past time that the water-sharing arrangement between the three states be reviewed and that proper evaluation of the future management and needs of the Lower Lakes and Coorong be put in place; as that was purposely excluded from the evaluations of the Basin Plan, even though that is where the vast majority of the recovered water is destined to be delivered. We are talking about the squandering of the Hume Dam annually (3 million megalitres) to maintain a naturally estuarine lake system as fresh.

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=58246

  169. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    50 years of cultural marxism at work
    Romania: 50,000 inhabitants lost in just seven months
    Demographic crisis accelerates in 2018

  170. Oh come on

    What is Lauren Southern’s remarkably penetrating insight into multiculturalism?

    FFS. She’s all of 22 years old, maybe 23 now. She doesn’t know shit about shit.

  171. cohenite

    Sorry, what has Lauren Southern said about multiculturalism that hasn’t been said before?

    What’s been said before?

  172. Oh come on

    Sigh.

    Southern on multiculturalism was brilliant.

    How so? I don’t doubt you find her compelling. I do doubt that what she said was anything particularly remarkable.

  173. pete m

    hot leftie – Katie Perry.

  174. Oh come on

    No, Katy Perry has successfully uglified herself over the last couple of years. It’s been a remarkable transformation.

  175. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    China Gives South Africa $25 Billion in Stimulus Loans
    Ramaphosa traveled to Beijing with other African leaders for a summit at which China pledged $60 billion in additional spending on Africa over the next three years, roughly doubling the amount China pledged in African financing in 2015. $15 billion of the new money will go to South Africa.

  176. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Italy needs more children, not more Africans – Interior Minister
    Matteo disagrees with EU politicians “[who]say that we need immigration because the population of Europe is getting older”.

    “I have a completely different viewpoint,” he said. “I believe that I’m in government in order to see that our young people have the number of children that they used to a few years ago, and not to transplant the best of Africa’s youth to Europe.”

  177. cohenite

    How so?

    She said multiculturalism is the idea that all cultures are equal and then ripped new arses for aboriginal and Islamic cultures.

    Where you at her talks?

  178. .

    summer growing weeds, that germinate after summer storms to be killed before they squander the rainfall

    Has anyone tried keeping them for as long as possible? Or can you only really do that for grazing?

  179. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Western civilization’s future depends upon an “ideological, cultural battle on college and high school campuses, and we are losing horribly, terribly,” he stated. He noted that 85 percent of $100 billion in the last decade’s college donations came from registered Republicans, who “have funded the Marxist indoctrination camps of tomorrow.” Accordingly, conservatives must implement be a “complete and total divestment from giving philanthropically to our schools.”

  180. Oh come on

    She said multiculturalism is the idea that all cultures are equal

    Yes that’s a very widely understood aspect of the definition of multiculturalism.

    and then ripped new arses for aboriginal and Islamic cultures.

    So exactly like Milo did when he came here, then?

    No, I wasn’t there and you have not even slightly convinced me thus far that I ought to have been.

  181. 2dogs

    China Gives South Africa $25 Billion in Stimulus Loans

    The land that will be stolen from South African farmers will end up Chinese hands. Chinese are already defined as “black” by the South African government for this purpose.

  182. John Constantine

    The whole point of turnbulls water act was to deindustrialise the murray darling basin, do a cheap clearance of the peasant proles and rewild it. Clear the sheep and cows for their Paris convention.

    Dumping freshwater in a drought, unused into the estuaries of south Australi,a was just a shyster lawyers loophole based on the unwavering compliance with the signed convention on the rights of the waterfowl of the coorong.

    Turnbulls landmine of central planning control of the water of the snowy river is an unspeakable act of bastardry that he can gloat over as he strolls through New York City’s Central Park.

    Comrade Bastaaaaaard.

  183. Farmers have learned how to store rain through careful
    weed control in the non-crop period, in the soil.

    Can you elaborate on this a little more?

    “Water For Every Farm – The Keyline Plan”, by P A Yoemans.

    Based on research and experiment in the late 1940’s and 50’s, and first published in 1968. Must be in about its gazillionth reprint now, and available everywhere, including as an ebook now.

    It’s hard to believe all this was nutted out through trial and error over half a century ago, is now practiced all over the world, and still virtually unheard of here where it originated.

  184. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How so? I don’t doubt you find her compelling. I do doubt that what she said was anything particularly remarkable.

    why does she have to be remarkable? if these thots turn people against cultural marxism then who cares.

  185. cohenite

    Rake has always had the dynamic between an amusing concept of a wastrel lawyer wreaking havoc and espousing left-wing shit; unfortunately the latest series sees the left-wing shit overpowering wasting: the latest episode sees a treaty with the firsts passing parliament with a first peoples’ PM overseeing it. Crap.

  186. 2dogs

    Lauren Southern’s documentary on the plight of SA farmers broke new ground.

    She obtained proof the SA govt was falsifying statistics on how bad the problem was.

  187. cohenite

    No, I wasn’t there and you have not even slightly convinced me thus far that I ought to have been.

    I’m devastated.

  188. .

    I’m really trying to get a hold of how common holistic and natural sequence practices are, how much they’re really like macro scale permaculture and how much they’re alike to keyline. Also which ones work i.e. most profitable. Why do farmers do these practices? Why don’t they? etc.

    Cropping just seems like an uphill battle. You’re fighting nature most of the way. The input costs seem exorbitant to me.

  189. Oh come on

    As I have said before, I might go to a free event by any of the prominent conservative intellectuals. I certainly wouldn’t pay $100+ to see any of them giving a talk – unless I knew they were presenting new material and weren’t just delivering their stock speech that you can always get on YouTube.

    Pretty obvious to me that these people now view Australia as treasure island. They’re all cashing in here. Fair play to them, but I personally have better things to spend my money on.

  190. Snoopy

    “Water For Every Farm – The Keyline Plan”, by P A Yoemans.

    Contour banks falling gently towards spurs may have some merit, but the idea that it’s possible to drought proof grazing properties through on farm storage is nonsense.

  191. Oh come on

    I’m devastated.

    You went about trying to illustrate how brilliant Lauren Southern’s ideas are, and then singularly failed to do so. So you have made my point – I don’t care whether you’re devastated or not.

  192. Oh come on

    Lauren Southern’s documentary on the plight of SA farmers broke new ground.

    No it didn’t. I was reading and writing about this over a decade ago.

  193. Andreas

    How so? I don’t doubt you find her compelling. I do doubt that what she said was anything particularly remarkable.

    In this age, anyone speaking publicly against multiculturalism is doing something particularly remarkable. Typing on a blog on the other hand, not so much.

    And if all people like Southern are trying to do is cash in, they must be remarkably stupid. There are far easier ways to make money and ones far less likely to involve having your head separated from your body.

  194. cohenite

    I was reading and writing about this over a decade ago.

    And who took notice of you.

  195. .

    “Drought resistant”, maybe. “Drought proof” is probably like calling a ship “HMS Invincible” or “unsinkable Titanic…”.

  196. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I certainly wouldn’t pay $100+ to see any of them giving a talk

    These people don’t have a Soros to fund them, they have to make some money somewhere.

  197. Contour banks falling gently towards spurs may have some merit . . .

    Keyline planning is a tad more than gently falling contour banks. In fact, repetitive contour ploughing by itself is counterproductive, and eventually destructive, over time.

    Keylining a broadacre property is hard yakka over years. I know – I’ve been involved in it. Twice.

  198. 2dogs

    I was reading and writing about this over a decade ago.

    Did that contain proof that the SA govt was fudging the figures on farm deaths? If so, link please.

  199. P

    I have no disagreement with the messages Ms Southern presents.

    When Lauren Southern was born I was 55yrs of age.

    I respect the views of my children and my grandchildren but I am always mindful, when considering what they say, of the fact of their relevant ages.

    I can listen to and agree with a 23yr old. The weight of what they say is often diminished in my mind by their lack of years of living experiences. A programmed robot could offer much the same.

  200. Oh come on

    In this age, anyone speaking publicly against multiculturalism is doing something particularly remarkable.

    Oh that’s a load of crap, Andreas. There are tens – perhaps hundreds – of thousands of people making these kinds of arguments online that would love to hit the big time like Lauren Southern has. Certainly, she needs to have some intellectual heft, but let’s stop pretending that she’s so popular because of her ideas. No, you can hear them all over the place. It’s her appearance that sets her apart from the rest of the YouTube wannabe stars.

  201. Oh come on

    And who took notice of you.

    I guess if I were a decent looking young blonde chick with long straight hair and a good figure, I would have stood a much better chance. Thank you for proving my point.

  202. John Constantine

    The east coast cropping zone has done as much as can be expected so far.

    The crunch point is simple maths, where increasing day length,increasing temperature and wind speed come together in an equation where evaporation rates draw down available soil moisture until it runs out.

    Green growing plants are evaporative air conditioners, wicks that draw soil moisture up and transpire it into the air.

    Once water loss through longer warmer windier days exceeds water rainfed inflow, the clock ticks, water loss is so great per day that no dryland management system can beat it for many hours longer than any other management system.

    Winter production ran on thirty points of rain a week because of no evapo-transpiration.different now.

    Tomorrow the early shearing of the rising five year old ewes begins, their lambs are weaned early already last week and the ewes are on the truck to the meatworks in ten days. Not plan a, but no sheep lives forever and they would be rising six years old next year and the younger portion of the flock can use the feed budget better than them. Worth near all time high big dollars as mutton, so dispassionately they get cashed in near the top of the market.

  203. Oh come on

    These people don’t have a Soros to fund them, they have to make some money somewhere.

    I don’t resent them making a living – I just don’t think seeing them in person is worth the money. Others are of course free to disagree. My preference is to buy their books or a DVD/stream of their documentaries. These people deal in the currency of ideas; they are not rock stars. I will happily pay for their ideas. I don’t give a rat’s about their personal charisma. It is totally peripheral to their purpose, in my perspective.

  204. cohenite

    Thank you for proving my point.

    Your point appears to be you’re jealous of Southern

  205. egg_

    the latest episode sees a treaty with the firsts passing parliament with a first peoples’ PM overseeing it.

    A First Full of Dollars.

  206. Oh come on

    Did that contain proof that the SA govt was fudging the figures on farm deaths?

    Southern’s documentary didn’t provide proof of that, either.

    Look, it was a good documentary. I would have paid to watch it, although she released it for free on YouTube, so I didn’t have to. I didn’t find it wildly compelling. I didn’t learn anything new, beyond the experiences of the people it featured. I thought The Red Pill was a far more significant piece of work, as a comparison.

  207. Oh come on

    Your point appears to be you’re jealous of Southern

    No, not really. Although seeing as though you seem to be slavishly devoted to her and cannot tolerate any critique of her, I can see why you would think that.

  208. Steve trickler

    You survive the crash and then end up in Gallipoli.

    Tough scene to visualize in your head.



  209. P

    Mindfree #2818025, posted on September 16, 2018 at 10:02 pm
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgTKyG86cL0&start_radio=1&list=RDKgTKyG86cL0

    A great reminder of the 1960s. I was 20yrs when this was a big hit here. Remember sitting on the beach at South Cronulla listening to this on my transistor radio which wasn’t all that small but cost small fortune back then.

  210. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Your point appears to be you’re jealous of Southern

    No, not really

    yes really.

  211. JC

    Cronkite

    The tribalism thing is going to end up killing you.
    OCO makes sense. There’s nothing startling nor is there any great insight in what she says.
    But hey, more power to her if she’s able to monetise that.

  212. Oh come on

    See, here’s the thing, cohenite. The original contention was that Southern, Goldy and so on don’t have remarkable intellectual depth, and they’re trading on their physical appearances. You objected and insisted that no Southern does have intellectual depth. You haven’t been able to provide any examples of that intellectual depth.

    Essentially, your claim is that you buy Playboy for the articles, and I’m calling bullshit on that.

  213. mh

    Little Ben Shapiro is in absolutely no danger of being censored by BigTech/DeepState. Ever.

    And in these crazy times that means he is of little consequence.

  214. P

    I certainly wouldn’t pay $100+ to see any of them giving a talk

    No so long ago I sent my eldest son a link (which I think I got from here) of The Spiller Spilled by Mark Steyn.

    His reply was “I’d pay to go to hear this guy speak”.

  215. Oh come on

    There’s nothing startling nor is there any great insight in what she says.

    This is true. Her formula is ‘I agree with her’ + ‘She’s pretty’. If that’s bringing in the bucks for her, then more power to her, but let’s not pretend it isn’t anything more than what it clearly is.

  216. Oh come on

    but let’s not pretend it’s anything more than what it clearly is.

    …is what I meant to say.

  217. mh

    Thanks to Lauren Southern we now know that NSW cops will stop and threaten with arrest anyone wandering around Lakemba if they think the local Muhammadens will get upset.

  218. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The original contention was that Southern, Goldy and so on don’t have remarkable intellectual depth, and they’re trading on their physical appearances

    Of course they are not remarkable, few wamen are, but they are not stupid.

  219. Steve trickler

    Excellent work. Great journalism.



    Today, it is shit in the streets.

  220. P

    Mindfree #2818025, posted on September 16, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    For you Mindfree, and thanks for the memories.

  221. Oh come on

    Your standards are low, Zippy.

  222. cohenite

    Although seeing as though you seem to be slavishly devoted to her and cannot tolerate any critique of her

    I haven’t read any critique of her just some fretful resentment but if you can direct me to which edition of Playboy she appeared in I would be slavishly grateful.

  223. That’s a damn fine baton that girl is twirling, Mrs P.
    I remember admiring batons just like that in my adolescent years.

  224. JC

    Stimson

    Take a swing at Cronkers, because he thinks you resent and jealous of Ben Shapiro.

  225. Oh come on

    I haven’t read any critique of her just some fretful resentment

    You have read a critique of her – you just don’t want to view it as such.

    but if you can direct me to which edition of Playboy she appeared in I would be slavishly grateful.

    You prove my point yet again. Thank you.

  226. Stimpson J. Cat

    Take a swing at Cronkers, because he thinks you resent and jealous of Ben Shapiro.

    Ben Shapiro is jealous of my height.

  227. JC

    Surprising this has happened, seeing it never has in the US during other storm damage.

    I wonder how many Nike pairs were hurled off. It’s always the Nike too.

    Police arrest 5 in North Carolina as looters begin to capitalize on Florence chaos

  228. JC

    Cronkers

    What’s your view of Ben Shapiro?

  229. Steve trickler

    Speaking of little Benny Shapiro.

    12 minutes in….not bad at all.



  230. mh

    Next up, how to make crispy perfect latkes every time.

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