This suicidal infighting is a madness

The Liberal Party left are like the left in general, lacking moral scruples, but with a will to power without a shred of policy sense. It’s not as if Malcolm were doing anything other than leading them to certain defeat on behalf of policies that should almost entirely be the province of the Labor Party. The moment they make it into government the open borders mentality of the left will almost by itself sink Australia as we know it into oblivion. And then there is global warming to push us down even more. But as big a fool as I have always thought of Malcolm, not to mention my disgust at his policy judgement, he was the leader of the non-Labor side of politics and that was that. Criticism of a leader is not seeking to sink the ship but drilling holes in the hull is. With the change of leader, the disgusting disloyalty to party and the party room’s decision by so many among the Liberals is repulsive.

Here are the issues of the moment. Any “Liberal” who finds these hard to accept in public are full-on leftists who found a sinecure in a party on the right but have no understanding of what is required if our way of life is to survive. Here’s a shortlist of what it requires for a party of the right to succeed in today’s political world:

  • strongest imaginable support for closed borders to self-selected migrants
  • defence of Western civilisation and our way of life
  • deep scepticism of man-made global warming as an issue of any substance
  • strong opposition to all efforts to ruin one’s own economy to fix the non-existent AGW non-problem
  • full and unequivocal support for free enterprise and opposition to crony capitalist ventures funded by governments
  • support for a strengthening of national defence against foreign aggression with maintenance of the American alliance the top priority.

A political party is filled with hatreds – diversity is seldom anyone’s strength. If there are policy differences, by all means discuss these and let us hear what they are. But this suicidal infighting is a madness that puts everything at risk

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75 Responses to This suicidal infighting is a madness

  1. Senile Old Guy

    But as big a fool as I have always thought of Malcolm, not to mention my disgust at his policy judgement, he was the leader of the non-Labor side of politics and that was that.

    If the “non-Labour side of politics” enacts Labor policies, as the LNP has done, why bother with them?

  2. .

    The LNP is dead Dr Kates. Get a new puppy – either the ACP or LDP.

  3. Two important questions for you Mr. Kates:

    1. Why are you so concerned about a party that will be listed amongst the minor parties after the next election?

    2. Who is this Malcolm?

  4. struth

    When you here the term the “liberal party left” it’s over.
    Full stop.

    There is no reason for the Liberal party to exist.
    Talk about oxy-morons…………………….

  5. Rusty of Qld

    1:FREE SPEECH IS AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT, and should be enshrined in the constitution!

    Number one priority of a conservative government, to not go there is to be not a conservative government.

  6. Yes Rusty.
    May I suggest:
    Parliaments shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

  7. NB

    Your list restated is:
    – manage migration sensibly
    – appreciate Western civilisation
    – scientific approach to carbon dioxide in atmosphere
    – scientific/engineering (and market) approach to energy
    – support free enterprise, oppose crony capitalism
    – support national defence
    It is strange these points even need to be stated! There is a madness about. Is it worse than in the past, or has the internet helped those who see through the mist communicate with each other?

  8. Roger

    – strong opposition to all efforts to ruin one’s own economy to fix the non-existent AGW non-problem
    – full and unequivocal support for free enterprise and opposition to crony capitalist ventures funded by governments

    How many Liberal parliamentarians & family members have invested in renewable schemes?

    How many Liberal parliamentarians and family members have invested in firms which benefit from crony capitalism?

    Any enterprising journalist ought to be able to find out by consulting the parliamentary register of interests and doing a bit of research.

  9. MPH

    Suicidal infighting is totally rational if your goal is to see Labour policies in action. Once you reframe it as such you will see the root of the problem is the actors not their acts. Want to change the act, change the actor – or select a different one to receive your vote.

  10. John Constantine

    When can we see the cartoon of a dummy spat on the ground, a broken tennis racket alongside it, and their frankenstabby bishop hopping up and down on it in a fit of blackout rage.

    The umpire whispering to Scomo, “couldn’t you have just let her win?”

  11. John Constantine

    Cartoon, Scomo walking out to a press conference, with a dozen knives sunk to the hilt in his back, julie bishop hopping in a fit of rage in the background, and their abc’s first question being:

    “Why didn’t you just let her win?.”

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    This suicidal infighting is healthy.
    Purging the Gramsci progressives from the party is essential.
    Tony Abbott didn’t do it.
    ScoMo either does it or dies politically.
    Whereupon the electorate will vote in someone else.
    And someone else after that.
    And etc.
    Until they get their Trump.

    If the Liberal Party wants to live they have to realise that their model is to represent the large conservative chunk of the Australian population. Who are quite switched on, as Wagga just showed. Then add policies to draw in enough from the uncommitted, time-poor and disinterested centre to win government. Moving to the left does not win you government, it just commits messy and long drawn out seppuku.

    Start with booting climate madness before you screw Australia.
    CAGW is not happening in the real world data.

  13. Start with booting climate madness before you screw Australia.

    What Bruce said.

    BUT, methinks the climate madness has already screwed Australia.
    It is a deep hole that the SFL find themselves in.
    How long does it take to build (non-pretend) generation capacity?
    How long does it take to unwind RETs, state taxes and royalties, and a myriad of crappola laws/regulations that are part of the climate madness.

  14. Iampeter

    The Liberal Party left are like the left in general, lacking moral scruples, but with a will to power without a shred of policy sense.

    Because there’s a Liberal Party “right” that does have policy sense? LOL. No.
    As to your list, the first point is the oldest non-issue in the book, so much so that even the union left that originated the issue has rejected it. Conservatives don’t understand Western Civilization and most of their random ideas are fundamentally at odds with it so they can’t defend it even if they wanted to.
    And the rest of it, about environmentalism and crony capitalism, rings hollow given that Australian conservatives have led the way on implementing leftist policies in these areas for three decades with no sign of reversing course. They are worse than Labor in this regard.

    We can all agree on the last point about defense but that’s neither here nor there.

    This is the list of someone who is a cargo cultist, not someone who actually understands our culture, history and politics in general.

  15. Boambee John

    Roger at 1236

    How many Liberal parliamentarians & family members have invested in renewable schemes?

    How many Liberal parliamentarians and family members have invested in firms which benefit from crony capitalism?

    We will find out that, and how many Oabor and Greejs pollies have done so if the complaint about Dutton gets to the High Court

    Bring on Section 44-ageddon!

  16. John Constantine

    How many politicals have benefitted from knowing the economy would be unswerving in chasing low interest rates and millions of mass imported housing Ponzi clients.

    Maaaaaaaaaate.

  17. egg_

    How long does it take to build (non-pretend) generation capacity?
    How long does it take to unwind RETs, state taxes and royalties, and a myriad of crappola laws/regulations that are part of the climate madness.

    +1

    The ‘NEG’ should be to those who wish to build coal-fired power stations.

  18. egg_

    We can all agree on the last point about defense but that’s neither here nor there.

    This is the list of someone who is a cargo cultist, not someone who actually understands our culture, history and politics in general.

    Que?

  19. a happy little debunker

    John Constantine at 12:42 pm

    Have an uptick…Oh wait, bugger – that would be a different blog.

  20. Muddy

    How many times do people need to be slapped in the face with the shrivelled genitalia of a political corpse before they acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, THE LIBERAL PARTY IS DEAD?

    It isn’t infighting; it is the escape of natural gases as the organs and tissues decay. Sometimes it’s also the movement of maggots getting jiggy in the cavities.

    Madness is clinging to the delusion, fed by nostalgia, that any semblance of life is to be found in what – decades ago – was once a conservative body.

    Convincing oneself that the alternative is even less responsive, does not change the status of the corpse.

  21. jupes

    This suicidal infighting is a madness

    Maybe, but it is exactly what Australia needs right now.

    The Liberal Party must be destroyed and if they want to do it themselves, then good.

  22. miltonf

    Surely the time has come for a split. Sure there are some better Parliamentarians such as Abetz, Abbott, Hastie and Craig Kelly but they appear to be in minority. Consider the ones sent to Canberra by the Victorian branch- is there one amongst that lot you’d give the time of day to?

    It’s extraordinary when you consider someone like Bishop who appears to have no interest in policy whatsoever. And she is not the only one.

  23. min

    Family members of politicians that have interests in renewables or other businesses that could be problematic would not be too hard to find doesn’t -Alex T have money in Infogen?
    What about working for AGL?

  24. Squirrel

    Many, even if not all, of the wrong-headed notions which infect leftist thinking in ‘Straya can be traced back to the fact that we have such large numbers of people who, in spite of what they might like to tell themselves, are insulated from international economic realities. From the comfortable vantage point of their bubble existence, it is just too temptingly easy to sign up for all sorts of feel-good ideas which, of course, can be seen for the self-indulgent, posturing nonsense they are by people who are not nearly so well insulated.

    A government which wanted to make valuable long-term economic and political changes would embark on a comprehensive program of reform which, in time, would see many of these people exposed to the economic realities which they think are a good idea for others, but not for them.

  25. B.A.Lert

    It’s pretty simple, both parties now preselect baciclly the same people give or take. In the past week the Nats have preselected an old ABC journalist instead of a young woman who is an engineer says a lot.

  26. areff

    I’m not given to salty language in public, but the Coalition warrants it: Fuck ’em!

  27. candy

    It’s not really just infighting, I don’t think.

    It’s more the progressives in the LNP still trying to oust the known conservatives with M. Turnbull working from afar through his friends. M. Turnbull called it the “progressive Liberal party”, after all.

    It’s a shame either Dutton or Abbott could not take the government to an election so as voters can say yes, we like that, or no we prefer something else. It would be good to finalise that issue and see the strength (or not) of conservatism in Australia.

  28. Exit Stage Right

    Five short years ago, Tony Abbott won an election in a landslide and kicked the ALP gutter trash to the kerb.
    Team Scomo (I heard him say that for fucksake) would be well advised to ponder that particular LNP victory and work out WHY? It is not rocket science Mr Scomo.
    Other Cats have laid out what needs to be done, in particular Mr Kates who has a handle on this.
    There is absolutely NO POINT Mr Scomo of continuing down the same path as the previous, traitorous, Labor plant, Bill Shortens’ bestie , the very dishonourable Malcolm Bligh Turnbull.
    Areff, I feel your frustration with this absolute pack of dickheads running the Liberals straight over the cliff.
    I used to think Malcolm was asleep at the wheel. but now we know it was all part of the plan.
    Team Scomo, so far you are just a pale imitation of the Turnbull Coalition. Get back to somewhere near the centre, otherwise your GOOOOONE.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    I used to think Malcolm was asleep at the wheel.

    Turnbull wanted to save the world.
    He spent his whole political career trying to save the world.
    Unfortunately for him the world doesn’t need saving.

  30. JohnA

    Bruce of Newcastle #2817355, posted on September 15, 2018, at 8:18 pm

    I used to think Malcolm was asleep at the wheel.

    Turnbull wanted to save the world.
    He spent his whole political career trying to save the world.
    Unfortunately for him the world doesn’t need saving.

    Well, not anymore. All the saving of the world that was necessary has been done.

    The is only One Messiah, and anyone coming since who has dared to try wearing that mantle has been found to be an imposter.

  31. destroyer D69

    FOLLOW ONTARIO…….

  32. Faye

    Step One: Get rid of Photios, the grinning hyena.

  33. wal1957

    Laborlite or Labor? What a choice!
    Both options come with an unhealthy dose of ‘Greenie’ vegetation.

    It’s no wonder I’ll be voting for ACP.

  34. Herodotus

    A good catalogue of the madness and determination it has taken to “bugger up Australia”.
    Read it at Jo Nova.

    Link

  35. And abolish the ABC! I’ve just watched those no-nothing, fluffer morons fawn over ‘Professor’ Ed Blake and his Demorat lies re the US and Trump. Our Ed is an interesting ABC pet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Blakely. A piece of Leftist filth whose best pal Mayor Nagin went to prison for crookery various. And this slimebag is treated as a ‘pundit’ and maven by the ABC?

  36. John Constantine

    Another frost this morning in the vicco grainbelt.

    Frost and dry times are linked, as are droughty winds.

    This late in the season, something will come along to prune the crop plants back to the grain yield the season allows, frost is often it.

    Back in the bad old days, the machinery to salvage light vegetative growth into hay windrows without damaging raking wasn’t around, neither were high density big square haybalers and front end loaders that could rapidly load trucks to transport hay across the country.

    Canola paddocks being cut over a wide area, wouldn’t imagine much would be left for a hope of grain north of the dividing range.

    Growers willing to cut cereals, but the plants still need more growth to get the cutter bar under in a lot of places.

    Interesting to make the joke that the fertilising effect of atmospheric carbon has allowed Australia to produce significantly more vegetative growth on less rain than occurred in the 1982 dust storm dryness.

    [Plus using roundup for early crop establishment].

    Plus prices that make feeding stock profitable and transport and logistics that can process a wave of sheep and cattle being destocked.

    The real doomsters are those glumly predicting a dry start to next season, most plans simply stretch as far as riding out a dry year, then going again next time.

  37. Petros

    MPH, the infighting occurs I think because the winner gets to end up on a company board, if not a few. This seems to be the motive for many Liberal party MPs. Nick Greiner must hold the record for that but I’m happy to be corrected.

  38. Rockdoctor

    Herodotus
    #2817458, posted on September 16, 2018 at 6:39 am

    Hear hear. This statement misses one thing in Queensland anyway:

    Once, Australia was a world leader in exploration and drilling – it is now a world leader in legalism, red tape and environmental obstructionism.

    Landholder relations & CCA’s (Compensation & Conduct Agreements that govern our activities). Some of the CCA’s I am seeing signed are ridiculous and with eye-watering charges for everything even drawing water off the property. Companies in their zeal to get the job done without the legal negotiations have been steadily allowing more and more impediments/charges to be added in the last 5-10 years. Remember these guys (landowners) will walk away with a cool sum of money worth well beyond what the market value of the property is if said company like what they see coming up in the drilling data, most in the Coalfields area also own more fertile properties down on the coast as well.

    That said I and most I know always treat landowners with utmost respect & sympathy even if that is being tested now…

  39. Bruce

    What has happened over the last four decades;

    As per David Burge:

    1. Identify a (respected) institution.
    2. Kill it.
    3. Gut it.
    4. Wear it’s carcass as a skin suit, whilst demanding respect.

    By the end of the 1970’s, Uni campus “liberal student clubs” were essentially in the hands of the international socialists. This penetrated to the “party-hearty’ Young Liberal Movement, from which have emerged a numerous “players”.

    The entire organisation is almost beyond redemption.

    The ALP, whilst riven with the usual revolutionary schisms, at least has a core value: the pursuit of absolute power, painted over with whatever platitudes they reckon they can get away with.

    REAL people are loathed by BOTH major parties. But they will take their votes. And their money, at gun-point, once in “office”.

  40. Rob

    For 11 long years, PM Howard delivered what most conservatives wanted.
    Howard erred in not allowing Costello to take over and possibly win several more elections.
    Abbott recovered the lost conservative vote – splendidly – and probably could have kept it.
    With hindsight it can be said that Howard foolishly encouraged Turnbull to stay in parliament.
    Now Howard has foolishly supported an unelectable candidate in Wentworth.
    I just wish that Howard had retired gracefully and quietly, and stayed that way.

  41. Crossie

    Want to change the act, change the actor – or select a different one to receive your vote.

    Exactly. Personnel IS policy and since the Liberal Party machine picked all the lefties, not the local members, the machine must go.

  42. Tel

    1. Identify a (respected) institution.
    2. Kill it.
    3. Gut it.
    4. Wear it’s carcass as a skin suit, whilst demanding respect.

    That’s what happened to the modern environmental movement.

    Long ago forest management consisted of cutting sensible fire breaks, doing hazard reduction burning during winter, semi-regular culls, and a lot of holistic thinking. Today they “manage” the forest by locking everything up and then sit and do nothing, because it’s been taken over, quite frankly by moron political operatives who know nothing about anything other than guarding their own backs in party meetings. They are dumping fresh water into the ocean during a drought because somehow “the environment” asked them to do that. Brawndo! It’s what plants crave.

    They bet the farm on idiot Global Warming theory, wearing clapper boards shouting “The End is Nigh!” After thirty years of embarrassing little result they are still shouting “This Is Your Last Chance!” for the umpteenth time.

    All common sense and most of the science has been gutted from any sort of environmental studies, but they sure as heck know how to push socialism.

  43. Crossie

    Any enterprising journalist ought to be able to find out by consulting the parliamentary register of interests and doing a bit of research.

    Now why would they want to do that? Present day journalism is there to trash anyone who does not fall in line with AGW mantra.

  44. areff
    #2817288, posted on September 15, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    What areff said. +10

    First, destroy the Libs.

    Then something will arise to fill the vacuum.
    Nature abhors a vacuum.

  45. DaveR

    PM Morrison has put together a new minstry made up of the various policy factions in an attempt to bring the party back together. If the leaking and sniping from the moderates continues, Morrison has to take action to enforce his leadership. This includes identification of leakers, and demotions if necessary. Morrison also has to firmly demonstrate to Turnbull moderates that they are no longer the direction of the party, and clearly explain the Turnbull policies were a failed excursion at the left edge or even outside of Liberal values. This assumes, of course, that Morrison is committed to moving policy back to the Liberal centre. Without that, Morrison will be unable to bury the last vestiges of the Turnbull regime.

  46. John Constantine

    There is no infighting, there is only their Embargo Class, occupying their Big political and Big media establishments, and the free thinking Sanctions Busters.

    Our politicals have produced herds of cannon fodder that can be flicked over into a trance state at a verbal trigger.

    “Donald Trump”, ‘Tony Abbott” “Coal” “Nazi”

    Watching hysterical activists proclaiming that Trumps name makes them sick and thinking about Dutton gives them rage blackouts.

    Haven’t these girls ever been taught the definition of the word Psychosomatic?.

  47. Herodotus

    Over in the USA there’s a growing perception that conservatives have to learn to fight, not utter platitudes and seek to “convert” the heathen left. The belief that there’s some good in them is deluded. There’s also more on Turkey’s role at the link.

    Read more at American Thinker.

  48. With the ALP leading the polls by 12 points, this discussion is pointless.

    The big question is whether the Libs should split/disintegrate before the election or after the election?

    The huge difference in numbers before and after significantly changes the outcome of a split.

  49. Tel

    Then something will arise to fill the vacuum.
    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Given the way the Australian Conservatives are growing, I think the process is already happening. It’s good though, good for everyone to separate the “dry” free market people from the “wet” corporatists / nanny staters. With luck the LDP can also pick up some more members in the fallout and there will be a sensible three-way split on the “right” side of Australian politics, which accurately reflects people’s views. I guess four-way split if you want to include the agrarians in the National Party.

    * National Party: farmers, big landowners, traditional Western Christian culture, willing to work with government providing there’s a few handouts and infrastructure subsidized by the cities, dislikes unions.

    * Australian Conservatives: small to medium business, working people who feel rejected by “Progressive” ALP, traditional Western Christian culture, supports free markets, wants to shrink government a bit here and there, willing to guard the borders.

    * Liberal Party reduced to “rump”: the “wet” Liberals who are mostly nanny-staters, but have a good thing going with the big corporates, like immigration providing there’s plenty of cheap labour, dislikes unions unless those unions play ball nicely and keep wages down (thank you Bill Shorten for getting rid of penalty rates), totally gutless on every issue guaranteed to follow the line of least resistance, happy to pretend to guard the borders so long as the submarine contracts keep coming; completely uninterested in shrinking government.

    * LDP: wants to shrink government quite a lot, supports free markets, get rid of regulations and the nanny-state, will guard the borders to the extent of keeping out the poor and the freeloaders, would cut welfare if they ever get the chance (and they won’t, because most Australians love welfare), let people smoke dope, crash their bicycles, not wear seatbelts, vape to high heaven, remove all the warning labels and see who remains afterwards.

  50. H B Bear

    Morrison also has to firmly demonstrate to Turnbull moderates that they are no longer the direction of the party, and clearly explain the Turnbull policies were a failed excursion at the left edge or even outside of Liberal values. This assumes, of course, that Morrison is committed to moving policy back to the Liberal centre.

    Pretty hard to do that with Photios’s hand up your back and most of the NSW Lieboral Party.

    Depending on what is left of the Lieborals after the next election a split must be a 50/50 proposition.

  51. Dr Faustus

    With the ALP leading the polls by 12 points, this discussion is pointless.

    Pointless like instructing the stewards to post details of tomorrow’s deck quoits competition – while the propellors break the surface and water floods the wheel house.

    The lifeboats will be paddling in all directions for years to come.

  52. Jo Smyth

    Follow Cory Bernardis plan. Get as many Australian Conservatives into the Senate as possible so nothing will get through without the ACs approval.

  53. Iampeter

    But Cory Bernardi and the Australian Conservatives think the Howard Government was the last “truly conservative” government in Australia.
    If you think that the government that gave us the green bureaucracy, middle class welfare, forcibly disarmed Australians, etc, is “truly conservative” then it’s not clear what issues conservatives have with the Greens or Labor or even today’s LNP.

    Are they not left wing enough for “true” conservatives?

  54. .

    But Cory Bernardi and the Australian Conservatives think the Howard Government was the last “truly conservative” government in Australia.

    Dear god that’s dumb. Here’s the thing. Gough won. It’s a tough pill to swallow but he shifted the Overton window.

    If you think that the government that gave us the green bureaucracy, middle-class welfare, forcibly disarmed Australians, etc, is “truly conservative” then it’s not clear what issues conservatives have with the Greens or Labor or even today’s LNP.

    Absolutely right.

  55. Dr Faustus

    Tel posted on September 16, 2018 at 9:56 am

    Add in a main-chance independent or two, a couple of florrid nutters of the Hinch/Lambie variety, and some sort of PHON-like populist dreck, and this reasonably describes what seems set to be the future centre(ish) to right spectrum.

    Aside from the Bedlam of ambition and personality issues, the problem is imagining a coherent policy line being drawn through this lot in coalition. Coherence has escaped the Coalition for the past nearly 15 years, so it is hard to see the actual collapse of the Liberal Party delivering a revival now.

    It seems to me that for the foreseeable future Australia will follow a PIGS model; with an ALP/Green Left Government arm-twisting and horse-trading its legislation through a fractured Senate.

    Perhaps the resulting dysfunction will spur the creation of an effective new centre/right party before too much damage is done. Perhaps circumstances outside the political sphere will take control.

  56. egg_

    And abolish the ABC!

    That would demolish the Leftoid 24 hour #fakenews cycle.

  57. Jo Smyth

    So what you are saying is we shouldn’t believe any of the Corys agenda because he supported the Howard Government. I think I’ll still give him a go because the alternative is just too Socialist, Marxist, anti Australian, globalist, Unionist and pro illegal immigration to contemplate. Plus they also want more and more big Government and taxes.

  58. A Lurker

    If the leaking and sniping from the moderates continues, Morrison has to take action to enforce his leadership.

    Please don’t call them moderates, because there is nothing moderate about them. Their proper title is Termites.

  59. Jo Smyth

    The term Termite is an excellent replacement for ‘moderate’. Spread the word.

  60. C.L.

    Dave Chappelle has become a bit of a weirdo, Dot.
    Also a convert to Islam.

  61. Dr Fred Lenin

    A rumour in the New York Pravda newspaper today says a spokesperson for both parties says turnbull and rudd are going to hold a joint presser to apologise to the people of Australia for the damage they did in office ,they will forego any pensions and perks due to them and refund the money they fsined through political office . Turnbull will reveal all assets in the Cayman Islands and send all profits made from the climate scam to the treasury Rudd will refund the huge profits made by his wife for finding jobs that didn’t exist for people who didn’t want them . The New York Pravda spokesperson proudly said this revealed the innate honesty of committed u.n./ soros globalist fascists ,taking an example from their inspiration I honesty comrade soros /. Schwartz the currency manipulator .
    Inspiring Innit ?

  62. Iampeter

    I’m not really clear on what Cory’s plan is.
    Reading his website you get the usual vague and contradictory nonsense I’ve come to expect from conservatives.
    For example, under energy he says “ideological obsessions with uneconomic renewable technologies to meet unrealistic emissions targets to prevent ‘climate change’ have made our energy unreliable and expensive” which makes no sense since it was the Howard Government, which he holds up as the model for “true” conservative government, that is responsible for this mess.

    Also, is he suggesting there are realistic emission targets?

    The entire policy page is like this.

    It’s like a policy page written by The Onion as opposed to a serious political party, with understanding of politics and a coherent ideology with alternative ideas to The Left.

  63. EvilElvis

    Kates, there is no sinecure the left has crawled into, the party is the sinecure. Looking at the people involved at ‘grassroots’ branch level around here it’s easy to see that the libs are fucked.

  64. Rusty is correct we need a clause like following in our constitution “The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise of religion, or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the right to peaceably assemble, or to petition for a governmental …”
    Secondly, there needs to be amendment which states “no law, treaty, or agreement made with another country or organisation registered or domiciled outside the boundaries of Australia shall have any affect unless agreed by majority of the voters and of the states in a referendum” This is the case in Switzerland, while in USA a vote is required to pass both houses of the legislature. The Paris Agreement should not have been signed by Australia without a referendum.
    A third amendment should allow citizen initiated referenda and recall (of elected persons and high ranking government appointments) as in Switzerland. The ABC and the Human Right Commisssion could then be on the chopping block. A simple vote would be to stop funding of the ABC, the HRC, the greens, legal aid for refugees & environmental activists etc.

  65. Sunni Bakchat

    Here’s the difference good leadership makes (and how Obama isn’t responsible for the upswing) detailed succinctly by Dennis Hassett of the White House Council of Economic Advisors last week. A scenario not coming to Australia anytime soon;

    Deserves a separate post on its own!

  66. Tel

    Riccardo Bosi #2817736,

    Good speech… I doubt the Australian Conservatives will be able to make a huge difference this election cycle but I expect they will pick up quite a significant number of disgruntled voters abandoning the Liberals, and do well enough to put themselves on the map. You guys are at the stage of “first they ignore you” right now, but after the election a lot more people will be talking about you. Of course you will get blamed for everything, from global warming to hangnails, but no doubt that won’t be a shock.

    Personally… I’ve been saying that we have approx 10 years to go, before Australia hits a sovereign debt crisis. Some time before then we will surely see a recession in the USA which in turn will drag us into it, but very difficult to guess when that’s coming and how it big it will be. Can we turn around politically before that happens? I really can’t see how that’s possible. Sure you should campaign on the debt balloon, by all means point it out and say it’s unsustainable… I admire your optimism but these problems are deep seated.

  67. Iampeter

    Hi Riccardo, I wasn’t sure if I should bother posting this because I don’t want to be a dick but you used some pretty strong language for politicians in your speech yourself so I think you can take it.

    Basically, was this supposed to be a political speech? Was there information you were trying to convey?

    You asked “why are we here?” Were you going to answer that question?
    You said Kelly was challenged, “you’ve told us what’s wrong but what are you going to do about it?” and he couldn’t answer it. Well, you didn’t answer it in this speech either.
    What is wrong with the country and what are you going to do about it? It would’ve been interesting to hear your position on this but you didn’t say.
    You said “we have to do this, we have no choice”, but you don’t say WHAT it is you have to do.

    Listening to this speech the most urgent question that I had was: what do you think politics is even about?

  68. Iampeter

    Also I’ll add another thing. Towards the end of your speech you get into the usual conservative talking points about faith and living for someone other than yourself and this error at the level of ethics, dooms any attempt by conservatives to be an alternative to the left.
    The altruistic idea that the purpose of an individuals life is for something other than living it as an end in itself, is the basis of collectivism and leftism. It is not compatible with right wing ideology of individualism, capitalism and rights protecting government (terms which you didn’t mention even once).
    Basically, you cannot oppose the left politically when you’ve agreed with them ethically.

    In short, this speech was perfect in capturing what I always say is wrong with today’s conservative movement.
    You guys don’t seem to have any political ideas to convey and you are altruists.

    You guys aren’t going to be saving Australia, you’re going to help bury it.

  69. Muddy

    Mr. Bosi,

    I watched your speech – you certainly have the presence and mannerisms for public speaking – until the ‘conservative liberals’ comments, particularly “our natural allies.” You lost me there sir.

    I’ll repeat what I’ve posted previously: I WANT to be inspired by the Australian Conservatives. I WANT to feel that finally, there is a political party that will represent my value system, and that will VALUE my vote. But I do not feel that the Australian Conservatives will progress too far without publicly, and with extreme malice, differentiating themselves from the Liberals and other pretenders. With the Liberals still resembling life, AC will be presented as the ‘far right’ or extremists. You need to redefine the conservative label (in the eyes of the know-little public) and position yourselves BEFORE the Liberals get their act together and position AC first.

    I value my vote, now, more than I ever have previously, and I’m not going to throw it away as I have in the past. I’m not yet convinced, but I want to be.

  70. max

    Mr.Riccardo Bosi you do not sound like Ron Paul to me.

    where is your and your party plan to restore Australia?

    show us the Plan, not just bombastic words.

  71. Bruce

    How corrupt is a “system” that works very hard to neutralize or destroy “independent” / non-aligned candidates or representatives?

    Why do people go into “politics”?

    Ego, the lust for power, dash for cash?

    The rare examples of the actually “good hearted”, as opposed to the serial frauds and main-chancers seen in abundance, are ruthlessly targeted by the usual school-yard bullies of the LSM and the “traditional” parties, protecting what they regard as THEIR turf..

  72. .

    The Australian Conservatives need to harden the fuck up and realise the people they consider their friends in the LNP, consider them as mortal enemies, cranks and a threat to their sinecures.

    Your political allies are the LDP, ALA, PHON, KAP, CDP and so on.

    The Liberals, with the Greens tried to get rid of us all.

    Your principles are fine, but the Liberals do not share them with you.

    The policies could be a little more comprehensive. Great work on the membership and funding.

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