Wednesday Forum: October 10, 2018

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  1. struth

    how can I be in two places?

  2. how can I be in two places?

    Ask Heisenberg or Schrödinger.

    They probably have the answer. Or not.

  3. stackja

    BS to help teacher unions.

  4. Motelier

    Saw the lights on, thought I would drop in.

  5. OldOzzie

    Religious schools’ right to discriminate against gays ‘existing law’

    Rachel Baxendale

    Scott Morrison has downplayed fears that the government may bolster laws permitting religious schools to discriminate against gay students and teachers as a result of the Ruddock review of religious freedoms, saying it is existing law for schools to refuse employment or admission on the basis of religious tenets.

    Then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull appointed Liberal Party elder Phillip Ruddock to chair a federal review into religious freedom following the same-sex marriage postal survey last year, amid concern from religious and conser­vative groups that the legalisation of same-sex marriage could infringe upon their ­religious freedoms.

    According to leaked details from the report, which the government has had since May, Mr Ruddock has recommended that the right of schools to turn away gay students and teachers be enshrined in the Sex Discrimination Act.

    “To some school communities, cultivating an environment and ethos which conforms to their religious beliefs is of paramount importance,” the review says, according to Fairfax Media.

    “To the extent that this can be done in the context of appropriate safeguards for the rights and mental health of the child, the panel accepts their right to select, or preference, students who uphold the religious convictions of that school community.”

    Mr Morrison said schools already could turn students away on the basis of their sexual orientation.

    “They can. That is the existing law. That is the existing law,” the Prime Minister said.

    “And so the report in today’s Sydney Morning Herald forgot to mention one critical factor, that the existing law enables schools to do exactly what was in that report.

    “So that’s not a change. That’s actually backing in an existing law.”

    Asked whether he believed it was fair for a gay student to be turned away, Mr Morrison said: “Well it’s the existing law and we’re not proposing to change that law to take away that existing arrangement that exists.”

    Mr Morrison said the government would be considering and developing a balanced response to the Ruddock review.

    “We will do that in our orderly process, taking it through cabinet. This has not been through cabinet at this point,” he said.

    “It hasn’t been considered by cabinet, so we will take it through that orderly process, and we will come out with our response to the Ruddock review, but want to make it really clear that what was reported today is existing law.”

    Asked when the government would make the report public, Mr Morrison said it would be released “in due course”.

    “And it will be released with a response from the government once we’re in a position to advise our comprehensive response to that report and once we’ve carefully considered and respectfully considered all the measures and recommendations and proposals that have been put forward,” Mr Morrison said.

    Mr Ruddock’s panel included Jesuit priest Frank Brennan, former Federal Court judge Annabelle Bennett and the head of the Human Rights Commission, Rosalind Croucher.

    ‘I don’t think it’s controversial’ to reject gay students: Hawke

    Special Minister of State Alex Hawke said religious schools should be allowed to discriminate against gay students.

    Asked whether religious schools should be able to reject students as well as teachers on the basis of their sexuality, Mr Hawke said: “Absolutely, absolutely. I don’t think it’s controversial.”

    “I don’t think it’s controversial in Australia that people expect religious schools to teach the practice of their faith and their religion,” Mr Hawke told Sky News.

    “That’s the point of a religious school, and in Australia you have a choice of schooling.

    “You have the public system, you have the private and the independent system and you have religious and faith-based schools.

    “I think people have enough common sense to practice their faith in their own schools, and if you are a parent and you’re sending your child to a religious school, you’re doing so because you would like instruction in that religion, and that’s perfectly appropriate.”

    Asked whether someone who was gay and Christian should be prevented from attending a Christian school, Mr Hawke said it was up to the individual school.

    “It’s an absolute misunderstanding of Christianity to say every Christian school in this country would turn away someone because they’re gay, and we’re mostly talking about the primary system and the very, very young people who are below the age of consent, so this is a manufactured issue that the left is raising to try and circumvent religious freedom,” he said.

    “The issue is do we have adequate protection for people to practice their faith in this country, and this report will tell government that perhaps we need to strengthen our laws to protect ourselves from people like Tanya Plibersek, who want to tell people of faith what they can and can’t believe.”

    Mr Hawke said he had not seen the Ruddock report.

    “Absolutely not, and I don’t think that’s controversial,” he said.

    “It’s been four months and this is a very complex area of rights and law.

    “The government’s got every right to consider the report very carefully and think about that complex intersection of rights and law.”

    Mr Hawke said the government had requested the report because it believed that millions of Australians of faith wanted the government to get the balance right between religious freedom and other rights.

    “The left of politics and the left in society are mounting an assault on religion and people of faith,” Mr Hawke said.

    “It’s been happening for a long time. Everyone of faith feels the pressure.”

    Asked for an example, Mr Hawke cited comments from deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek, who this morning said seeking to be able to discriminate against children was “pretty pathetic”.

    “She seems to want to go through line by line of the Bible and tell us what she likes or doesn’t like and what people can believe and what they can’t believe,” Mr Hawke said.

    “It’s a constant pressure from the left of society today on people of faith.

    “It’s important we define religious freedom in Australia in 2018 so people can continue to practice their faith the way they want to.”

    Asked why the law needed to change, given Christian schools are already allowed to refuse employment on the basis or religious tenets, Mr Hawke said: “Well it might be needed, because under the last Labor government we saw Julia Gillard and people like Tanya Plibersek get an actual Marxist to write the Safe Schools program and implement it in the public school system.”

    The Safe Schools program was rolled out under the Abbott government.

    “Now as a parent, and a parent of three young boys myself, it makes me want to send my kids to religious based schools because I don’t want to see the public system mandate these sorts of things which are written by actual Marxists in a Labor government,” Mr Hawke said.

    “Labor is deserting people of faith in Australia. They were a former Catholic working class-based party. They’ve abandoned their Catholic and working class roots.

    “They’re now the party of elites and of trendy people in the inner cities who really have a contempt for people of faith in this country.

    “I think most Australians are very sensible about the practice of their faith. We don’t have a litigious society like the US, we don’t have these problems arise.

    “People quietly practice their faith in their churches, in their communities, in their homes without much controversy in Australia, but the left feels constant pressure to create these problems.”

    ‘If you’re not planning anything nasty, release the report’: Shorten

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said he couldn’t believe Mr Morrison had not ruled out creating new laws to discriminate against children.

    “This whole Ruddock review has been cloaked in secrecy,” Mr Shorten said.

    “The government invited the public to make submissions. That’s happened.

    “The government received a report in May. The experts have written the report.

    “It’s now been five months and Mr Morrison is keeping a secret report under lock and key until after the Wentworth by-election.

    “Labor is challenging Mr Morrison: if you’re not planning anything nasty, reveal the report before the Wentworth by-election. If you’re not going to do anything nasty, then be upfront with the Australian people.

    “If Mr Morrison won’t release this secret report before the Wentworth by-election, he is telling the voters in Wentworth that he doesn’t trust them.

    “It’s an expert report. What could be in that report which is so bad that it has to remain hidden?”

    Mr Shorten said he was concerned about discrimination against students on the basis of their sexuality.

    “As for the specific discussion today, that they are contemplating new laws to discriminate against kids on the basis of sexuality, no way!” he said.

    “The fact of the matter is that every child is entitled to human dignity. We shouldn’t even be having this debate.

    “The same goes (for teachers).

    “There should be no extension of discriminatory rights against people in this country.

    “Mr Morrison said recently that he wants everyone to love each other. It is not very loving to hide a report from the Australian voter and to propose new discriminations against parts of the Australian population.”

    Report ‘hasn’t been seen by most cabinet ministers’

    Families and Social Services Minister Paul Fletcher repeatedly avoided saying whether he believed religious schools should be able to turn away gay students and teachers.

    “You’re asking about reports this morning about the religious freedom report, which was prepared by the eminent Australian Philip Ruddock and a committee that he led,” Mr Fletcher told Sky News.

    “I make the point that is a report to government. It’s not a report of government.”

    Asked again whether or not it was a “good idea” to discriminate against gay students and teachers, Mr Fletcher said: “Can I just make this point in terms of process?”

    “The report has been received by government. That’s been known for some time,” Mr Fletcher said.

    “It has not been seen by most cabinet ministers including me. I’ve not seen the report. It hasn’t been considered by cabinet.

    “What we’ll do is we’ll go through a careful, thorough, respectful process of considering recommendations in this report.”

    Mr Fletcher said he would not get into commenting on the contents of a report he hasn’t seen.

    “What I will say is we’ll go through a careful, thorough, respectful process to properly give respect to issues of religious freedom and balance up all of the other considerations,” he said.

    “Can I just make the point, which was perhaps not made clear in some of the media stories this morning, I’ll just make the point that under the law as it stands, educational institutions established for religious purposes can already legally employ staff and contract workers having regard to the sexual orientation, gender identity, marital or relationship status or pregnancy, where it’s done in good faith in order to avoid injury to the religious sensibilities of adherents of that religion or creed.

    “So that is the law as it stands, and it’s important to understand that as we consider the question of any recommendations being made in this report.”

    ‘Seeking to be able to discriminate against children is pretty pathetic’

    Labor deputy leader Tanya Plibersek said she wasn’t sure why part of the report had been “selectively leaked”.

    “The government’s had the report for five months and we haven’t seen it,” she told ABC radio.

    “It’s hard to comment as I say on a report that I haven’t seen, but I do think my position is we shouldn’t be looking to increase discrimination in our community, and particularly discrimination against children.

    “Honestly, who thinks it’s a great idea for adults to be telling kids, rejecting them, telling them that there’s something wrong with them?”

    Asked what Labor would do in response to the Ruddock review, Ms Plibersek said she would not comment on a report she had not seen.

    “I’ve given you the general proposition that we do not want to see an increase of discrimination in our community, and my personal opinion that seeking to be able to discriminate against children is pretty pathetic,” Ms Plibersek said.

    Asked whether she was reassured that the review had dismissed the notion that religious freedom in Australia is “in imminent peril”, Ms Plibersek said Labor believed it was very important to give people protection to practice their religion freely.

    “What they shouldn’t be given is the opportunity to use their religion to discriminate against others, and that’s what we’ll be looking for in this report, a balance that gives people strong protection to practice their religion, but not, the idea that we suddenly, because of someone’s religious views, allow them to discriminate against others, that to me is not a sound proposition,” she said.

    ‘A direct assault on LGBTI people’

    Gay rights activist Rodney Croome has described leaked recommendations from the Coalition government’s Ruddock review of religious freedom as “a vindictive attempt to punish LGBTI people for achieving marriage equality”.

    Mr Croome described the Ruddock review as a “direct assault on LGBTI people”, arguing the federal government would be on a collision course with Tasmania and other states with conflicting anti-discrimination legislation and launching a petition to protest against the recommendations.

    “The Ruddock inquiry recommendations are a direct and shameful assault on the dignity and equality of LGBTI people and we will oppose their implementation tooth and nail,” Mr Croome said.

    “Schools should be places of learning, not breeding grounds of prejudice.

    “Any school that receives public money should abide by the same rules as the rest of society, including the same rules about fair-treatment and discrimination.

    “We will lobby Liberal moderates, Labor and the Senate crossbench to oppose any attempt to legislate this abhorrent and retrograde recommendation.

    “We call on all LGBTI, human rights and social justice organisations to join us.”

    Mr Croome said Tasmanian religious schools had operated well for 20 years without being allowed to discriminate against LGBTI people.

    The Tasmanian Anti-Discrimination Act does not allow discrimination by faith-based organisations on the grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity.

    “Given there is no problem in Tasmania, the only reason I can see for the proposed federal law is to entrench fear, prejudice and hate,” he said.

    “This looks and feels like a vindictive attempt to punish LGBTI people for achieving marriage equality.

    The Victorian government recently tried to remove an exemption allowing such discrimination from its anti-discrimination laws.

    There are also campaigns to remove such exemptions in WA and the NT.

    Australians ‘didn’t vote for more discrimination’

    NSW independent MP and LGBTI advocate Alex Greenwich said Australians had voted for equality and fairness in last year’s postal survey, not “targeted discrimination of LGBTI students and teachers”.

    “That’s the risk here, that it says that after Australia said yes to equality for the LGBTI community, the government goes to target discrimination, essentially to legislate bullying in our schools against the LGBTI community,” Mr Greenwich told Sky News.

    “Now the government could try to adopt it, I would strongly urge them not to, but this isn’t going to get through the Senate.”

    Schools that discriminate shouldn’t get a cent from taxpayers: Greens

    Greens education spokeswoman Mehreen Faruqi said the Ruddock review’s recommendation to “expand and entrench the right to discriminate against LGBTIQ+ students and teachers” was “absolutely outrageous”.

    “Schools that discriminate against LGBTIQ+students and teachers don’t deserve a cent of public money,” Senator Faruqi said.

    “It is absolutely outrageous that we should change the law to allow religious schools across the country the right to discriminate against LGBTIQ+ children and teachers.

    “We should be removing exemptions for religious schools from anti-discrimination laws, not expanding them.

    “No school should have any right to discriminate against anyone, including the LGBTIQ+ community, let alone with public money.

    “All schools should be places of learning, safety and acceptance. No student or teacher should be made to feel lesser because of religious bigotry.”

    Greens LGBTIQ spokeswoman Janet Rice said her party supported the right of people to practice religion, but that should not come at the expense of the human rights of LGBTIQ people.

    “Our laws should protect LGBTIQ+ people from discrimination, not enshrine the right to discriminate against them,” Senator Rice said.

    “Scott Morrison’s recent anti-LGBTIQ+ comments have ignited fear in our community that the government is planning to wind back the laws which protect LGBTIQ+ people from discrimination.

    “Scott Morrison must immediately release the review for the public and commit to ensuring LGBTIQ+ people will not face further discrimination.”

    Greens justice spokesman Nick McKim said Mr Ruddock had recommended overriding state and territory anti-discrimination laws to allow religious schools to discriminate against gay, lesbian and transgender students.

    “This is bad enough, but it is clear that Prime Minister Morrison intends to go much further than the recommendations in Mr Ruddock’s report,” Senator McKim said.

    “Australians should brace themselves for a toxic debate and a full frontal assault on the protections enshrined in state and territory anti-discrimination laws.

    “The Greens will fight this all the way.”

  6. Mark A

    still close enough to be in the team?

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Indigenous voice to parliament ‘can’t fail’, says Tickner

    exclusive
    Stephen Fitzpatrick
    INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS EDITOR
    @svfitzpatrick
    11:00PM October 9, 2018
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    Australia’s longest-serving Aboriginal affairs minister has warned that efforts to establish a proposed advisory “voice” for parliament “absolutely must not be allowed to fail” if the gap on indigenous disadvantage is to be closed.

    Robert Tickner, in the role for Labor from 1990 to 1996 and involved in the Keating government’s native title legislation response to the High Court’s Mabo ruling, told a joint parliamentary committee examining the matter he felt “des­pairing” of prospects for im­prov­ing the lot of Aboriginal and Torres Strait ­Islander Australians.

    “Out there is a tremendous call, which I endorse, to add justice targets to closing the gap,” Mr Tickner said, referring to proposed alterations to the current Council of Australian Governments scheme that would require the states to take greater responsibility for measures to reduce incarceration rates.

    “I also believe there shouldn’t be the slightest bit of disagreement in the (federal) parliament about this. My starting point is that this is a fixable problem — we can build tunnels under Sydney Harbour, we can build Snowy 2.0, there ain’t nothing this country can’t do.”

    From the Oz. Robert Tickner beclowned himself so spectacularly over the Hindmarsh Island/”secret women’s business” circus and we are supposed to take any of his words of wisdom seriously?

  8. stackja

    OO – Schools don’t have to accept every body. Leftists want disruption.

  9. Top Ender

    Fifty years ago, Madeline Ward’s grandfather demonstrated against the Vietnam War on the front lawns of the University of Sydney’s famous quadrangle.

    Now, the 21-year-old art history and English literature student potentially faces dis­ciplinary action, perhaps resulting in suspension or expulsion, for a rowdy protest on the campus last month.

    The protest was aimed at a speech by psychologist and sex therapist Bettina Arndt as part of her “Fake R3pe Crisis” campus tour. The protesters first occupied a corridor outside the venue hired by the Liberal Club, used loudhailers to drown Ms Arndt out, and then apparently tried to block some of those wishing to attend from entering the venue. Eventually the police were called.

    On her website, Ms Arndt said she had asked for “formal complaints” to be lodged against the protesters. She has also set up a Change.org petition, signed by 750 people by yesterday, “demanding Sydney University return the Liberal Club students’ security fee and take action against the named protesters”.

    As one of two student union women’s officers at the university, Ms Ward said she understood the extent of the sexual assault crisis on campus and she felt Ms Arndt’s description of it as a “fake crisis” would be potentially demeaning and hurtful for sexual assault ­survivors.

    “So we thought about complaining to the university to stop her from speaking, but we decided against that for a couple of reasons, mainly because I believe in the right to free speech, and also because I believe that ideas like Bettina Arndt’s need to be rigorously challenged in a public setting,” Ms Ward said.

    “For us, the best way to do that was through a public protest. We wanted to present another, albeit passionate and loud, side of the ­argument. We’re not going to pass up an opportunity for a protest, especially when Sydney University is potentially the most politically active campus in Australia, and historically has been since the Vietnam War demos.”

    Ms Ward said that since the protest last month she had been attacked in many ways, from comments on her physical appearance to rape and death threats.

    “Obviously I am a political activist,” she said. “That is my job, and I love my job and love being an activist and I love fighting for positive social change, but I don’t think my education should be at stake for expressing my political opinions in a way I think is respectful and doesn’t stray into any territory of bigotry or hate. So I think it’s really inappropriate that all of a sudden the degrees of five young university students are on the line.”

    Ms Ward said the protest was a straightforward affair rather than some form of US-style “no-platforming” designed to block ideas she and fellow activists disagreed with; although Ms Arndt was indeed prevented from fully expressing her opinions, her speech did in fact go ahead.

    Ms Ward said she thought it would be “ridiculous” to impose financial penalties on universities that failed to prevent protests, as suggested in a recent Centre for Independent Studies policy paper, and equally misguided to attempt to make protesters pay for the increased security necessitated by their protests, as recently mentioned by federal Education Minister Dan Tehan.

    “For me it smacks of historical state interventions into student protest culture,” she said. “In the late 1960s, the government revoked any commonwealth scholarships for students who were arrested at anti-Vietnam War demonstrations.”

    Ms Ward said she was concerned that if protests were stifled because students feared incurring large fines or severe disciplinary action, many students would be deterred from engaging in political discussions, which she felt would be a huge loss.

    “Protest is a fundamental part of democracy,” she added. “We have a right to protest. You might not agree with the tactics of protest, but if you support free speech, by virtue of that you have to support the right to protest.”

    If you can link to the article, the picture of Madeline Ward is well worth viewing….

  10. .

    Any word of Mrs Clubb’s High Court case?

  11. Tintarella di Luna

    My Papa and Nonno had to wait 4 years for their landing papers and arrived in Australia from war-ravaged Italy in 1949. They had rellos up on the North Coast of NSW and went to work in banana plantations and cutting cane as soon as they arrived. No welcoming committee, no welfare, no Medicare and no community leaders to help with Centerlink forms.

  12. Confused Old Misfit

    Well it’s the existing law and we’re not proposing to change that law to take away that existing arrangement that exists.”

    What does the Australian constitution say, if anything, about the freedom to practice ones religion? If it in any way guarantees that freedom then any legislation restricting its practice in a privately owned and operated religious school would surely be unconstitutional.
    It’s not an “arrangement” it’s surely an enshrined principle.

  13. OldOzzie

    Human resources study shows a stunning unintended backlash to the ‘Me Too’ movement


    A study shows that there are stunning consequences to the “Me Too” movement against sexual harassment that the proponents probably didn’t foresee and definitely will not support.

    A backlash that will limit opportunities for women

    The Society for Human Resource Management published a report Thursday that documented the result of the movement that called on society to believe allegations of sexual harassment without question.

    According to the study, nearly a third of executives report that they have “changed their behaviors to a moderate, great or very great extent to avoid behavior that could be perceived as sexual harassment.”

    The CEO of the SHRM, Johnny C. Taylor Jr., explained that “some of the more concerning pieces of data that came out of the research are around the concern that there may be a backlash of sorts.”

    “There were men who specifically said I will not hire a woman going forward,” he explained.

    “Those who said they would hire a woman said they would not travel with one, and they, more importantly they would not engage in activities after business hours,” Taylor added.

    “And you know oftentimes, that’s when the relationships are built,” he continued, “after hours dinners with clients, et cetera, trips, I’m a lawyer for example, and you know, you’re the associate, and the partner won’t travel with you for fear that it could be perceived, or he could be subject to a sexual harassment claim.”

  14. stackja

    Zulu – RT spent how much? And achieved what?

  15. Mother Lode

    Ah, a new fred.

    So full of potential, so full of promise. Like a summer morning, bathed in a luscious liquid sunlight, bees hovering over fresh opened flowers, the neighbour hacking up phlegm before that first smoke.

    douceur de vivre

    (Why not? I am not coughing.)

  16. Confused Old Misfit

    Found it:

    Australian Constitution – Section 116 – Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion

    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

  17. stackja

    OO – Women getting the message?

  18. .

    “Those who said they would hire a woman said they would not travel with one, and they, more importantly they would not engage in activities after business hours,” Taylor added.

    poundmetoo was an elitist thing from the get go. Do onery women really believe that Alyssa Milano gives a hoot about them?

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu – RT spent how much? And achieved what?

    Dunno, but, from memory, it was the whole “secret women’s business” fiasco that converted what would have been a Howard win, in 1998, into a landslide.

  20. stackja

    COM – Freedom of religion accepted in 1901. Now, leftists want restrictions.

  21. Mother Lode

    Indigenous voice to parliament ‘can’t fail’, says Tickner

    To the extent the ‘voice’ is indigenous it is not being parliamentary or democratic.

    The the extent it is being parliamentary or democratic, it is not being indigenous.

  22. Whalehunt fun

    The constitution does not say the feds are obliged to give private sciols a penny. They can simply cease funding until compliance with government beliefs, no matter how crazy.

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    So we’re going to have businesses who hire only men because they dare not hire a woman.

    And we’ll have woman-only businesses because women can’t get a job with anyone else, and men dare not get a job in those businesses (like child care now).

    Great! Real business competition at last!

  24. mh

    ‘THE GOOD CENSOR’: Leaked Google Briefing Admits Abandonment of Free Speech for ‘Safety And Civility’

    An internal company briefing produced by Google and leaked exclusively to Breitbart News argues that due to a variety of factors, including the election of President Trump, the “American tradition” of free speech on the internet is no longer viable.
    Despite leaked video footage showing top executives declaring their intention to ensure that the rise of Trump and the populist movement is just a “blip” in history, Google has repeatedly denied that the political bias of its employees filter into its products.

    But the 85-page briefing, titled “The Good Censor,” admits that Google and other tech platforms now “control the majority of online conversations” and have undertaken a “shift towards censorship” in response to unwelcome political events around the world….

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/09/the-good-censor-leaked-google-briefing-admits-abandonment-of-free-speech-for-safety-and-civility/

  25. hzhousewife

    Pre “Me Too”, work xmas parties are pretty much dead these days, due to behaviour.

  26. Confused Old Misfit

    Whalehunt:
    “The Commonwealth shall not make any law …prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, …”

    The government must treat ALL institutions equally. Though I concede that they will attempt so to do and I’m confident that the Canberra bureaucrats are sufficiently mendacious so as to be able to arrange things to their preferences.

  27. stackja

    Telegraph story, Barbie bomber to be hung.

  28. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tintarella di Luna
    #2835916, posted on October 10, 2018 at 11:47 am
    My Papa and Nonno had to wait 4 years for their landing papers and arrived in Australia from war-ravaged Italy in 1949. They had rellos up on the North Coast of NSW and went to work in banana plantations and cutting cane as soon as they arrived. No welcoming committee, no welfare, no Medicare and no community leaders to help with Centerlink forms.”

    Yep, I was discussing a similar story this with a friend last week. He remembers very clearly his family arriving by boat in 1964 (they came from Poland via the UK) and his father went to work as a machinist in Surry Hills the day after they arrived. There was no welfare, no medicare card and no Centrelink, they were just happy to be in a country free from war and communism.

    Now of course we, the dumb taxpayer, pay new immigrants welfare on arrival, we provide them with a medicare card and Centrelink will also pay a Muslim man for his multiple wives…no questions asked….no wonder they are laughing at us…..I’m laughing too at how this once great country has become a joke.

  29. rickw

    My Papa and Nonno had to wait 4 years for their landing papers and arrived in Australia from war-ravaged Italy in 1949. They had rellos up on the North Coast of NSW and went to work in banana plantations and cutting cane as soon as they arrived. No welcoming committee, no welfare, no Medicare and no community leaders to help with Centerlink forms.

    The post WWII batch from Europe were the last decent immigrants Australia received. Everything from then on was pretty much the trash that no one else wanted. Generations in and those trash immigrants are still spawning trash.

  30. JC:

    Last time the US government pushed this it caused starvation around the world as basic commodity prices rose because corn prices went through the stratosphere Last time was because of gerbil warming. this time its to help the farm belt.

    Perhaps its time for the rest of the world to get their own economies working so their own people don’t starve, by making sure their own farmers can grow their crops without fear of it being confiscated by corrupt governments.
    Yes, I’m looking at you, South Africa.

  31. rickw

    Last time the US government pushed this it caused starvation around the world as basic commodity prices rose because corn prices went through the stratosphere Last time was because of gerbil warming. this time its to help the farm belt.

    JC, from memory I think it was the Eutotards that did the most damage in Africa through this?

  32. Tintarella di Luna

    They can simply cease funding until compliance with government beliefs, no matter how crazy.

    Really regressive that — given that over 30% of school children attend parent-funded schools — the Goulburn experience of 16 July, 1962 should be a salutary lesson in the role of parent-funded schools. If federal funding ceases to parent-funded schools the taxpayer will be footing a very large bill in the vicinity of $20 billion with the exodus of students from sector to sector – and an electoral backlash of epic proportions.

    Perhaps Cory Bernardi should come out and say he will support the current funding arrangements no matter what in order to maintain certainty and stability of the education system.

  33. Chris

    The New Struggle for Religious Freedom

    But members of modern elites are moving away from mere indifference. They are embracing a fanatical anti-clericalism. Some want to destroy faith itself. We know there have been recent persecutions in the Middle East of a kind and on a scale that have not been seen for centuries—rarely under the Ottomans until their treatment of the Armenians, not much under the states which succeeded the Ottoman empire. Now, however, mass murders and threats of mass murder are disrupting and scattering communities who have lived peacefully in the Middle East for a very long time in peace and harmony with their neighbours. We must hope that never happens in Australia. But something which, though less severe, is equally uncompromising is emerging in Australia. Among the elites is developing a hostility to religion which has not been seen in the West since the worst excesses of the French Revolution, or at least the vengeful premierships of Émile Combes in the early twentieth century.

    The hostility is demonstrated least against Hindus and Buddhists—for they are neither numerous nor highly visible. It is also not much demonstrated against Muslims, despite the threat and actuality of terrorist outrages, perhaps because the Muslim vote is the key to winning and losing parliamentary seats. It is beginning to be demonstrated against Jews. Their numbers are low, but those parts of the elites which respond to electoral hatred for the State of Israel are drifting back into an anti-Semitism which one had thought had been purged from Western life by the horrors of the Second World War and the persecution of Jews in communist Eastern Europe and Russia after 1945. No allowance is made for the appalling dilemmas facing Israeli leaders, surrounded as they are by a sea of Muslim hate. And hostility is increasing markedly against Catholics. One of the aphorisms of the great parliamentary leader of the German Centre Party, Ludwig Windhorst, is becoming true again: “Anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of the intellectuals.” But no Christian denomination seems to be exempt from the new de-Christianisation campaign.

    Now, it is evil to invite anti-religious violence. It is also evil to damage the property of religious institutions. To fail to denounce those evils is to associate oneself with them. The case for the elites is weakened not only by their association with those evils. It is also weakened by their failure to appeal to reason. There is among us here tonight the Reverend Peter Kurti, an Anglican priest interested in the place of religion in Australian public life. He has recently written a remarkable book titled The Tyranny of Tolerance: Threats to Religious Liberty in Australia. I owe a debt to it, for some of his themes underlie this address. In that book he argues that traditionally liberalism aimed to protect individuals against the encroaching power of the state. But this type of liberalism has been replaced. The new liberalism calls for the enervation of religious faith and religious practice. It sees faith as something which is at best an individual subjective profession of taste—a sort of hobby, harmless enough, but only if practised in private. Instead real tolerance extends only to those who are alleged to be victims of discrimination. He says:

    In truth, however, this tolerance is not “open-mindedness”. It is a form of moralistic relativism concerned with elevating the rights and interests of any who are perceived to be victims of discriminatory or marginalising behaviour.

    Tolerance in the name of relativism has, indeed, become its own form of intolerance. We are commanded to respect all difference and anyone who disagrees can expect to be shouted down, silenced or, often, branded a racist. Everyone must be “tolerant”.

    The modern elites are tyrants of tolerance. They say: “You must listen to what I am going to say. Then you must either praise my virtue or shut up. Because if you try to say you disagree and why, you deserve to be, and you will be, hounded out of all decent society.”

  34. Mother Lode

    Human resources study shows a stunning unintended backlash to the ‘Me Too’ movement

    Ah, that brings us to Stage 2.

    Gay men claiming to have been harrassed by the remaining male bosses, and that it is obligatory for everyone to believe them simply for their having said so.

    This way, piddling little defenses like “But…I am straight” won’t be allowed to clutter up the courts.

  35. John Constantine

    https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/permit-to-scare-wildlife-issued-to-gippsland-farmer/news-story/ee5d87204ebe77aa29b27623efe0d619

    When feed gets tight, a grazier manages by destocking his flock to reduce pressure on pastures. then having to watch as State grazing pressure from State kangaroos invading from State parks is annoying.

    It feels like a State tax on anybody that has retained some pasture.

    Rewilding by stealth, as laws tighten up to increase the population of the States kangaroos, and allowing them to feed off anybody without the expensive exclusion fencing to keep them out.

    Basically, the State now says you can spend a hundred grand on keeping the States kangaroos out, or you can feed them for nothing.

    Net present value of new State green kangaroo laws will be hundreds of millions of dollars if exclusion fencing becomes the only option.

    Plus when kangaroos are excluded from farmland, they will use the roads as wildlife corridors between State scrub.

    Not all taxes are a percentage of your profit, the worst ones are a shameless penalty on you for existing.

  36. rickw

    “Those who said they would hire a woman said they would not travel with one, and they, more importantly they would not engage in activities after business hours,” Taylor added.

    I avoid them like the plague.

    I’ve had two female work friends that I used to socialise with go completely nuts. One of them had very explicitly tried to work her way into my hotel room after drinks. Two months later she’s having a senior manager hauled over the coals for sexual harassment over absolutely nothing.

    Lesson learned, they are not to be trusted, I have nothing to do with any female associate outside of work hours.

  37. Senile Old Guy

    The Society for Human Resource Management published a report Thursday that documented the result of the movement that called on society to believe allegations of sexual harassment without question. According to the study, nearly a third of executives report that they have “changed their behaviors to a moderate, great or very great extent to avoid behavior that could be perceived as sexual harassment.” “Those who said they would hire a woman said they would not travel with one, and they, more importantly they would not engage in activities after business hours,” Taylor added.

    What a surprise! Not. And the Kavanaugh affair is very reassuring. Also, not!

  38. Chris

    The post WWII batch from Europe were the last decent immigrants Australia received. Everything from then on was pretty much the trash that no one else wanted. Generations in and those trash immigrants are still spawning trash.

    Go fuck yourself. Cypriot Greeks escaping Turkish threats of genocide, modern professionals from many countries, genuine refugees from Vietnam who worked their tits off in market grdens to give their kids a chance –
    Just actually look at who Australians actually are now.

  39. mh

    Today’s rally:

    President Trump in Council Bluffs, IA

  40. zyconoclast

    White Women, Come Get Your People
    They will defend their privilege to the death.

    These women are gender traitors, to borrow a term from the dystopian TV series “The Handmaid’s Tale.” They’ve made standing by the patriarchy a full-time job. The women who support them show up at the Capitol wearing “Women for Kavanaugh” T-shirts, but also probably tell their daughters to put on less revealing clothes when they go out….

    But the people who scare me the most are the mothers, sisters and wives of those young men, because my stupid uterus still holds out some insane hope of solidarity.

    We’re talking about white women. The same 53 percent who put their racial privilege ahead of their second-class gender status in 2016 by voting to uphold a system that values only their whiteness, just as they have for decades. Since 1952, white women have broken for Democratic presidential candidates only twice: in the 1964 and 1996 elections, according to an analysis by Jane Junn, a political scientist at the University of Southern California….

    There is more

  41. Cassie of Sydney

    “rickw
    #2835945, posted on October 10, 2018 at 12:21 pm
    “Those who said they would hire a woman said they would not travel with one, and they, more importantly they would not engage in activities after business hours,” Taylor added.

    I avoid them like the plague.

    I’ve had two female work friends that I used to socialise with go completely nuts. One of them had very explicitly tried to work her way into my hotel room after drinks. Two months later she’s having a senior manager hauled over the coals for sexual harassment over absolutely nothing.

    Lesson learned, they are not to be trusted, I have nothing to do with any female associate outside of work hours.”

    If I were a man I would adopt the “Mike Pence” rule.

  42. zyconoclast

    White progressive parents and the conundrum of privilege

    Greg and Sarah live in a predominantly white neighborhood and send their children to a predominantly white private school. “I don’t want to believe we are hypocrites,” Greg tells me. “But if we say diversity is important to us, but then we didn’t stick around in the place that was diverse, maybe we are?” He looks at Sarah. “I dunno,” he continues, “I guess we made decisions based on other things that were more important. But what does that say about us then?”

  43. Tintarella di Luna

    Lesson learned, they are not to be trusted, I have nothing to do with any female associate outside of work hours.

    very wise – I don’t either you never know what gender might be claimed between getting into the lift and getting out.

  44. Nick

    I’ve seen a female boss treat a male subordinate with behaviour that is sheer bullying. I spoke to a Leftist friend and colleague in the same department who said it wasn’t bullying, though you could almost hear the cogs turn as she was about to say ‘ women can’t bully men, only men bully women’.

  45. Death Giraffe

    I’m putting this on here too, so dot and Struth have reason to keep at it:
    ..

    If immigration so special or there is a prioritisation, please show us how you’re figuring this out.

    ..
    Socially, culturally transformative.
    Everything you take for granted rests upon culture.
    Now, I’m not that great a fan of our culture, like some here.
    There are better and there are worse.
    But ours is ours.
    It is up to us to change our culture as we see fit over time.
    Not for some global elite pack of c*nts to genocide us with the same mass movements of peoples Stalin used in the USSR.

  46. thefrollickingmole

    to add justice targets

    Old and busted : Impartial application of law without fear or favor.
    New and hot: Justice by quota

    All leavened with pretending a 1/16th aboriginal going to uni in Sydney is the same as the fullblood non english speaker from Arnhem land.

  47. zyconoclast

    Washington and Lee renames buildings; orders portraits of Lee, Washington in military attire replaced

    Washington and Lee University has decided to make changes to the names of some campus buildings after concerns from students and faculty.

    On Tuesday, the Board of Trustees announced that it will rename Robinson Hall as Chavis Hall, in honor of John Chavis, the first African-American to receive a college education in the United States. He graduated from Washington Academy, the predecessor of W&L, in 1799. Also, Lee-Jackson House will be renamed Simpson Hall in honor of Pamela Hemenway Simpson, who served as an associate dean of the college and helped move to a co-ed environment in the 1980s.

    The board also announced that effective immediately, it will replace portraits of Robert E. Lee and George Washington in military uniforms inside Lee Chapel with portraits of the two men in civilian clothing. The board also ordered the doors to the statue chamber in the 1883 addition to Lee Chapel to be closed during university events.

  48. OldOzzie

    Why this Rex plane’s propeller dropped off mid-flight

    The plane lost its propeller 19km from Sydney airport. The propeller missed houses and cars and landed in forest. The plane landed safely in Sydney. Picture: Supplied

    Robyn Ironside
    Aviation Writer

    The final report on the mid-flight loss of a propeller by a Regional Express (Rex) aircraft over Sydney last year has found fatigue cracking in the propeller shaft went unnoticed because maintenance engineers were not told to look for it.

    The March 17 flight from Albury to Sydney had 19 people on board, when it experienced vibrations from the right engine.

    As the pilots went through the checklist the vibrations worsened, so the decision was made to shut down the engine.

    A short time later the propeller came off about 19km southwest of Sydney Airport, landing in dense forest and luckily missing any houses or vehicles.

    The Rex crew alerted Air Traffic Control and the Saab 340 landed safely in Sydney without injury to any passengers or crew.

    Inspections subsequently found the propeller shaft had fractured due to a crack in a crucial mounting bracket.

    The Australian Transport Safety Bureau report delivered today, found the engine manufacturer’s maintenance documents did not include specific inspection procedures to detect fatigue cracking of the propeller shaft.

    In addition, the ATSB investigation found Rex’s inspection worksheets did not provide for the recording of inspection findings.

    “Consequently, this may not have provided for the best opportunity to ensure potential defects were identified, recorded and monitored,” the report said.

    Since the incident, engine maker General Electric has changed maintenance manuals to include more ongoing detailed inspections of the propeller shaft.

    The United States’ Federal Aviation Administration also issued an airworthiness directive, requiring repetitive visual inspection of the main propeller shaft for affected engines.

    Rex also undertook a variety of measures in response to the incident including a review of maintenance practices for propeller removal and installation, which identified several areas of improvement.

    The report noted that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority had audited Rex twice since the incident, looking specifically at the airlines’ propeller maintenance practices.

    ATSB chief commissioner Greg Hood described the propeller loss as an “extremely rare event” and commended the Rex crew for their response to the emergency.

    “The captain and the first officer demonstrated a high level of professionalism in their airmanship, communication, co-ordination and application of the safety checklist procedures in their response,” Mr Hood said.

    He said the safety actions undertaken by General Electric and Rex, would reduce the risk of such a thing ever happening again

  49. Rae:

    Most likely still unwell. He said he had the staph version of cellulitis, but they were treating it with Cephalexin. That’s the antibiotic for strep cellulitis. They should have been giving him intravenous Flucloxacillin.

    Maybe the docs have the benefits of the blood culture results, unlike you?

  50. zyconoclast

    No more Paris agreement. No more ministry of environment. A paved highway cutting through the Amazon.

    Not only that. Indigenous territories opened to mining. Relaxed environmental law enforcement and licensing. International NGOs, such as Greenpeace and WWF, banned from the country. A strong alliance with the beef lobby.

    In a nutshell, this is what Jair Bolsonaro, who is sailing towards Brazil’s presidency after taking a near-majority in a first round vote on Sunday, has promised for the environment.

  51. Cactus

    Just reading about Silicon Valley trying to control hearts and minds. Have you cats stopped using Google? DuckDuckGo?

  52. Nick

    “I don’t want to believe we are hypocrites,”

    They live within the boundaries of the goats cheese curtain in houses costing a minimum of $1.5m. Sure, they talk the right talk about a host of topics, though don’t and wouldn’t have any of their pet causes such as refugees living near or god forbid, next to them. They know that the cost of acquiring property in their area is a very effective barrier in keeping the wrong sorts out. In many respects they are truly conservative in that they want their enclaves to remain as they are, so long as there is parking out the front for an SUV, a smaller Audi and a Vespa.

  53. zyconoclast

    The cost of adjudicating DACA applications has been subsidized by other immigration benefits applicants to the tune of $316.5 million over the last three years, according to information released by USCIS on Friday. This subsidy was needed because the Obama administration did not impose an application fee for DACA status. Most immigration benefits applicants pay for the application for the status they are seeking, with additional fees for a work permit and fingerprint collection; DACA applicants only had to pay for the work permits and fingerprints, leaving legal immigrants and visa applicants to pick up the tab for the cost of adjudicating their eligibility for DACA.

  54. zyconoclast

    Downtown Montreal anti-racism demonstration draws 3,000
    Speakers criticized Premier-designate François Legault and his party for what they said were racist policies.

    Many wore the Muslim hijab and a handful wore the J3wish kippah while dozens pushed strollers and a couple of marching bands played as close to 3,000 people took to the streets of downtown Montreal on Sunday afternoon to protest racism.

  55. I am bespoke

    Cactus
    #2835964, posted on October 10, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Just reading about Silicon Valley trying to control hearts and minds. Have you cats stopped using Google? DuckDuckGo?

    DuckDuckGo
    Brave

  56. C.L.

    Have you cats stopped using Google? DuckDuckGo?

    I thought the latter was one of the goodies.

  57. OldOzzie

    Kavanaugh case is darkest hour for #MeToo

    Janet Albrechtsen


    What do you call a movement with no leader, no mission and a bandwagon as big as the internet? A mess. We have come to know it as #MeToo. A year on, and following the Brett Kavanaugh debacle, the #MeToo movement deserves a quiet burial. Its tombstone should read: The Presumption of Innocence Matters.

    Remember that next time someone claims that Donald Trump is ushering in a Trumpocracy. With no evidence apart from an occasional blast at fake news, critics have long claimed that the US President is upturning “democratic norms”. If Trump is re-elected in 2020, “the savaging of liberal institutions will increase”, says Francis Fukuyama, the political scientist who famously — and wrongly — predicted that liberal democracy would mark the end of political history.

    It turns out that progressives are doing far more to trash democratic principles than Trump. In the end, the failed attempt to keep Kavanaugh off the US Supreme Court bench was a sensational trial, not about allegations of sexual abuse or judicial character but of the Left’s commitment to democratic principles.

    Progressives have been found guilty on all counts: trashing the presumption of innocence, disregarding the rule of law and turning their backs on due process.

    Claims against the conservative judge never saw the inside of a courtroom for a reason. His accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, could not recall important details of that night when, she claimed, the judge attempted to undress her as a teenager. But progressives tried and convicted him on the basis of one vague testimony, minus a single corroborating witnesses.

    Democrats cast aside the presumption of innocence as a disposable nuisance. During their daily television gabfests, CNN stars such as Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper didn’t rate the presumption of innocence either.

    Time magazine ran a cover story last week which read “How Christine Blasey Ford’s Testimony Changed America”. The cover art was immediately lauded by everyone from former ABC managing director Mark Scott to BBC correspondent Nick Bryant. Scott went further saying: “I hope she has a lasting impact.”

    The lasting impact won’t be what Ford said about a drunken party she attended when she was 15. The lasting impact is best explained by the fact a lengthy article about the Ford v Kavanaugh face-off did not once mention the core principle of a civilised society: that a man accused of sexual assault is entitled to the presumption of innocence. The lasting impact is that this omission went unremarked by people who should know better. The enduring damage is that the #MeToo movement has removed the presumption of innocence as a legal and a moral norm.

    In its Friday email, the National Organisation for Women said: “We. Will. Stop. Kavanaugh.” The biggest cheerleaders of #MeToo backed Ford all the way, tossing aside the presumption of innocence.

    What a difference politics makes. In 1998 following allegations that Bill Clinton had sex with Monica Lewinsky, NOW president Patricia Ireland said: “None of us believes that a charge made is a charge proven.” Ireland said that Clinton’s policies were enough to stop them from rushing to judgment. She described Clinton as a “complex human being with strengths and flaws — I think (this) helps shore him up”. Back then, feminists were falling over themselves to excuse the US president’s foul behaviour towards a young intern barely two months out of college. The 1970s feminist Erica Jong said of Clinton: “I want a president to be alive from the waist down.” Trump must be waiting for a similar leave pass from the sisterhood.

    The lasting impact of the Kavanaugh show trial is not the predictable hypocrisy of feminists. That is a mild irritant compared with their recent rejection of fundamental principles that a civilised people choose to govern themselves by.

    On Saturday, while discussing Kavanaugh’s commitment to the constitution, a left-leaning lawyer and writer for The New Yorker, Jeffrey Toobin, waved away the rule of law as some kind of “abstract” notion not worth discussing. He may as well have waved off that bit in article 40 of the Magna Carta that says “to none shall we deny justice”, a principle embedded in the US constitution.

    The mauling of legal principles by progressives during the Kavanaugh saga shows that undemocratic behaviour begets more of the same. When a handful of judges invented a constitutional right to abortion in 1973 rather than leaving it to legislatures and the people to decide this issue, they cemented a precedent that goes beyond the judgment in Roe v Wade. They set in motion a precedent that core legal principles in a democracy can be trashed to serve political agendas.

    When Trump nominated a conservative judge who many imagine will overturn Roe v Wade, progressives threw out the democracy rule book. Their deliberate ignorance of the presumption of innocence, the rule of law and due process is far more dangerous than anything Trump has done.

    Some will say the presumption of innocence was never going to get an airing in a show trial conducted on TV talk shows, in newspapers, on radio, across social media, in a Senate Judicial Committee hearing, on the streets of Washington, DC, even in the corridors of Capitol Hill as screaming women accosted senators to deliver a No vote against Kavanaugh. But the presumption of innocence should have mattered regardless of the forum. If other institutions, be it the media or universities or congressional hearings, give up on a central tenet in a democracy, how can we expect jurors in court to stick with the same principle?

    Trump was only partly right to say that it was a scary time for young men. The bigger danger is that a civilised society stops being civilised when the presumption of innocence is trashed by politics and a muddled hashtag campaign.

    The sign of these dangerous times was told, unwittingly, when a recent cover story in The Economist said the #MeToo movement “could be the most powerful force for equality since women’s suffrage”.

    Women’s suffrage confronted serious injustices and fought for equal rights for men and women. The #MeToo movement has displayed remarkable moral confusion, not just conflating a night of bad sex with rape but also casting aside young men who have alleged that older women have sexually abused them. That is not equality.

    The #MeToo moment arrived with pitch-perfect timing into a world of identity politics and a broader social justice movement predicated on different rights and rules for different people. Identity politics up-ends the rule of law and the presumption of innocence using the blunt instrument of power. Those deemed to have power, especially white men such as Kavanaugh, are the first to lose their fundamental rights. But when one group loses rights, it is an inexorable lesson from history that others will too.

    The Left has become so untethered from democratic norms that it has abandoned even Noam Chomsky, who once warned against the contraction and abandonment of the presumption of innocence.

    While the Kavanaugh lynching ultimately failed, the enduring damage after a year of #MeToo is that progressives now believe in taking down 10 innocent men so they can catch one guilty man. If they haven’t noticed, that is what authoritarians do.

  58. Senile Old Guy

    Meanwhile, Senator Collins subjected us to a slow funeral dirge about due process and some other nonsense I couldn’t even hear through my rage headache as she announced on Friday she would vote to confirm Judge Kavanaugh. Her mostly male colleagues applauded her.

    The piece is by Alexis Grenell and is attacked by Ben Shapiro and Brendan O’Neil.

  59. jupes

    Blair points out the Pirate’s warped sense of priorities:

    He apologises to murderers – on our behalf, by the way – but won’t forgive or forget those responsible for a few minutes of harmless Opera House illumination. Interesting.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “zyconoclast
    #2835968, posted on October 10, 2018 at 12:36 pm
    Downtown Montreal anti-racism demonstration draws 3,000
    Speakers criticized Premier-designate François Legault and his party for what they said were racist policies.

    Many wore the Muslim hijab and a handful wore the J3wish kippah while dozens pushed strollers and a couple of marching bands played as close to 3,000 people took to the streets of downtown Montreal on Sunday afternoon to protest racism.”

    Leftist J*ws…..who only ever put on a kippah to virtue signal at a demonstration to protest “waaacism” and seem to delight in showing solidarity with women wearing hijabs…most of whom are genocidal J*w haters.

  61. .

    This compulsory 2-factor authentication for a tax app is insane.

    How about cleaning out ATO corruption first, please?

    No doubt some shiny bummed idiot got a promotion for this “clever idea” they have all care and no actual responsibility for.

  62. Nick

    I hadn’t seen this, you go DT jnr:

    Donald Trump Jr.
    @DonaldJTrumpJr @WhoopiGoldberg
    , instead of insinuating that my sons are potential future abusers, you might want to explain why you defended actual child rapist Roman Polanski?

    “I don’t believe it was ‘rape’ rape.” – Whoopi Goldberg on Roman Polanski

    CC
    @TheView

    @ABC

  63. Diogenes

    My Papa and Nonno had to wait 4 years for their landing papers and arrived in Australia from war-ravaged Italy in 1949.

    My paternal grandparents, dad and 4 brothers had to wait 10 years in a refugee camp in Bavaria before getting the all important acceptance by Australia in 1954. Oma & 3 of the 4 boys+ my aunt(she ended up marrying a GI in Bavaria & moving to the US with him) walked across Romania, Hungary & Austria. After Oma had been a guest of the Soviet State in Siberia between 1919 & 1923 she had no desire to be anywhere them and started walking in late ’44.

    After a truly awful voyage(Oma refused to ever set on a boat of any kind after that) they were railed to Bonnigilla, and a week later were at Sale learning how to put up telephone poles & string wire for the PMG, and Oma was set to work as a domestic in Orbost , as the menfolk worked their way towards her. They did that for their 2 years, saving like crazy and were then able to start businesses that reflected their trades.

  64. thefrollickingmole

    Ready for the next big enviro scare/opportunity?

    Microplastics!
    Our company has just had analysis done and is preparing to use as a selling point that we have 1/2 the world average of microplastics in our product.
    Microplastics will become the new “organic”….

  65. Nick

    In moderation, I’ll try again. This is gold from DT jnr:

    Donald Trump Jr.
    @DonaldJTrumpJr @WhoopiGoldberg
    instead of insinuating that my sons are potential future abusers, you might want to explain why you defended actual child r*pist Roman Polanski?

    “I don’t believe it was ‘r*pe’ r*pe.” – Whoopi Goldberg on Roman Polanski

    CC @TheView @ABC

  66. Nick

    Comment and amended comment is in moderation. Have a look at Donald Trump Jnr’s tweet from Oct 3 where he shows Whoopie Goldberg’s hypocrisy in defending Roman Polanski.

  67. iain russell

    Another Double Tenth rolls around. Raise a glass to the good men and true who defeated the Muslim invaders at Tours in 732!

  68. Tel

    From Nick Dole ✔ @NicholasDole

    Protesters chant “not for sale” ahead of a controversial light display which will project promotions for the Everest horse raise onto the sails of the Sydney Opera House @abcnews

    Anyone trying to lug a horse up the side of Mt Everest needs a bit of promotion I reckon.

  69. Elle

    I’ve seen a female boss treat a male subordinate with behaviour that is sheer bullying. I spoke to a Leftist friend and colleague in the same department who said it wasn’t bullying, though you could almost hear the cogs turn as she was about to say ‘ women can’t bully men, only men bully women’.

    In my current work location there are three “toxic”, aggressive, foul mouthed, unhappy, miserable people who I have seen bully others. All three are leftist women who spend so much of their time complaining about work load and deadlines instead of doing the actual work. One even blamed Tony Abbott (when he was in power) for the stress she suffers at work. Seriously! Another had the audacity to say she is not liked because she’s a lesbian. No, it’s because you’re an aggressive, lazy, miserable cow. This is in a location where half of the management team are gay, as are quite a few of the frontline workers. She can’t pull the gay card here – not in Darlingithurts – the underbelly of the inner city.

  70. Baldrick

    Advertising on the Opera House ‘tear up the fabric of a city’ …

    During Tuesday night’s episode of The Project, Waleed Aly used his famous “Something We Need To Talk About” segment to criticise the decision to broadcast racing colours and numbers on the Opera House.
    “The point is, this places belong to all of us and if you flog them off to the highest bidder you tear up the fabric of a city,” Aly said.

    … but not so much the ‘irritant’ of Islamic terrorism.

  71. Nick

    Protesters chant “not for sale” ahead of a controversial light display which will project promotions for the Everest horse raise onto the sails of the Sydney Opera House @abcnews

    Phew. That will mean no more projections and publicity on public spaces for Earth Hour then, especially seeing as it’s a creation by Fairfax. Oh wait.

  72. Mother Lode

    Washington and Lee University has decided to make changes to the names of some campus buildings after concerns from students and faculty.

    I think they have had to dilute the definition of concern a fair bit to make it sound like it is something to be concerned about.

  73. struth

    Lesson learned, they are not to be trusted, I have nothing to do with any female associate outside of work hours.

    You get to a stage of life where you wonder why you ever did.

    Women, other than your wife, should only be taking your meal order when speaking directly to you.
    It’s really all you want to hear from them, if you are honest.

    Tee hee

  74. Cactus

    Sorry CL should read

    Have you cats stopped using Google? [is] DuckDuckGo [the preferred alternative]?

  75. struth

    Elle, you are indeed quite the fag hag.

  76. pete m

    The decision in the High Court has been reserved.

    You can read the oral argument here:

    link.

    I think there is no chance the Court finding a right to protest.

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    “Cactus
    #2835991, posted on October 10, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Sorry CL should read

    Have you cats stopped using Google? [is] DuckDuckGo [the preferred alternative]?”

    Yes, I now use DuckDuckGo.

  78. struth

    Mr Death Giraffe.
    I refuse to keep having to give the same answer to dot, in a different format each time.

    I have answered his questions.

    You know his head will explode if I keep going.

    By the way, speaking of Head explosions, has anyone from Melbourne checked the births deaths and marriages column in Melbournistan for a clue to Monty’s whereabouts?

    Has the supply of donuts recently become a glut on the market?

  79. Eddystone

    My Papa and Nonno had to wait 4 years for their landing papers and arrived in Australia from war-ravaged Italy in 1949.

    Looxury!!!

    I was stuck in England for eight years before making it to Australia in 1958.

  80. struth

    Trump is still the President.

    But the UN is still in control of Australia.

    Surely if Monty can just get over his TDS he would be able to see his left wing destruction of Australia continues here apace.
    Shirley this should inspire him to sit up and sip his thick shake.

  81. iain russell

    Winston, I can’t find the original Rae and cellulitis post, but I had cellulitis last year and was in hospital for a week including having my hand opened up and scrubbed. A condition best avoided, believe me.

  82. C.L.

    Another had the audacity to say she is not liked because she’s a lesbian. No, it’s because you’re an aggressive, lazy, miserable cow.

    Nah, she’s right. It’s because she’s a lesbian.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Washington and Lee University has decided to make changes to the names of some campus buildings after concerns from students and faculty.

    Walking across Omaha beach a couple of weeks ago, and wondering what the men who survived that particular slaughterhouse would think of today’s little cupcakes…….

  84. Black Ball

    Being a black man myself, how in heavens name will getting more blacks into Parliament, into boards of companies assist in getting Aboriginals to improve their lot in life? Look at indigenous organisations, 99 percent of CEOs are white because they know the skills required to run the organisation. Basic self determination to succeed is what is required. Not more condescending bullshit.

  85. Top Ender

    Maybe spotted a 1.3 metre keelback snake in the garden the other night.

    They eat cane toads!

  86. struth

    Had a stupid bitch go off at me at a camp in Arnhem land this season.
    Based on the fact I was good friends with a manager she despised and had sacked, complaining of the usual harassment.

    A forty something old aussie slag who had a fancy title for chief maid.

    Such was the barrage it set me to ponder.
    No man would have done this to me for fear of the physical consequences.
    Even if they could beat me, they would have known that they would have had to defend their hysteria by physical force.

    In other words, there would be consequences.

    In our dumb arse western fashion we have given women the privilege of equality but still not the equality of a good smack in the mouth a man acting the same way, would get.

    Anyone will tell you that a child knowing it will receive no consequences for it’s actions becomes a spoilt brat.

    Which is precisely what western women who treat their protectors like this, are.

  87. Rae

    Rae:

    Most likely still unwell. He said he had the staph version of cellulitis, but they were treating it with Cephalexin. That’s the antibiotic for strep cellulitis. They should have been giving him intravenous Flucloxacillin.

    Maybe the docs have the benefits of the blood culture results, unlike you?

    m0nty said the blood cultures showed staphylococcus aureus cellulitis. Standard treatment antibiotic is Flucloxacillin. After 2 days of Cephalexin he said he was still vomiting.

    Disclosure: I have experienced cellutitis many times, mostly the staph variant. First symptom is usually nausea and vomiting that abates very quickly after intravenous Flucloxacillin is commenced.

  88. John Constantine

    “LONDON – The World Health Organization’s cancer agency dismissed and edited findings from a draft of its review of the weedkiller glyphosate that were at odds with its final conclusion that the chemical probably causes cancer.

    Documents seen by Reuters show how a draft of a key section of the International Agency for Research on Cancer’s (IARC) assessment of glyphosate – a report that has prompted international disputes and multi-million-dollar lawsuits – underwent significant changes and deletions before the report was finalised and made public”

    “a sentence in the draft referenced a pathology report ordered by experts at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. It noted the report “firmly” and “unanimously” agreed that the “compound” – glyphosate – had not caused abnormal growths in the mice being studied. In the final published IARC monograph, this sentence had been deleted.”

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/who-iarc-glyphosate/

    Comrades.

  89. struth

    Being a black man myself, how in heavens name will getting more blacks into Parliament, into boards of companies assist in getting Aboriginals to improve their lot in life? Look at indigenous organisations, 99 percent of CEOs are white because they know the skills required to run the organisation. Basic self determination to succeed is what is required. Not more condescending bullshit.

    You’re a man…..don’t worry, you’re not meant to understand. Come down here with us blokes, they’ll only be accepting females who say they are black.

    Improving aboriginal lives involves getting them out from under the repressive, divisive Marxism they are suffering under in remote area communities, especially.

  90. Top Ender

    Woman who faked having cancer jailed for four years

    A woman who scammed tens of thousands of dollars from her family and friends over a fake cancer diagnosis and other deception has been jailed for four years.

    Kelly Val Smith, 40, faced the South Australian District Court on Wednesday, after earlier pleading guilty to four counts of deception and one of dishonestly dealing with documents.

    As part of her offending, Ms Smith told family and friends she had ovarian cancer, that her son needed a serious heart operation and that she was to get a $1 million victims of crime payout.

    Chief Judge Michael Evans said Ms Smith’s offending between 2012 and 2015 breached friendships as she preyed on people who had no reason not to trust her. “Your offending was elaborate and yet unsophisticated. It was consistent and persistent over a long period of time,” he said.

    “You lied for your own financial advantage and also in an attempt to be liked and accepted.” In respect to some of her offending, Ms Smith received money to pay for what she said was expensive cancer treatment and to help pay for her son’s operation. She also convinced others to buy expensive properties on a promise she would gift them large amounts of money once her victims of crime payout came through. At one stage she covered up her lack of funds by telling her victims that her bank account had been frozen after being hacked.

    “You created a fanciful world that gave you empowerment,” Judge Evans told her. “However, you were unable to control it.” He jailed Ms Smith for four years and 19 days and imposed a non-parole period of two years.

    — AAP

  91. Percy Popinjay

    Maybe the docs have the benefits of the blood culture results, unlike you?

    Graegooglery’s prescription for poor ol’ m0nty’s near fatal outbreak of cellulite:

    “It rubs the lotion on its skin,
    or it gets the hose again”

  92. struth

    struth McMack

    What have I ever done to you?

    Outrageous.

    Seriously though, a Mack like that wouldn’t be too bad, but we can’t get those in Australia and the government have basically outlawed sleeper compartments like that , by enforcing overall dimension laws.

  93. Senile Old Guy

    Maybe spotted a 1.3 metre keelback snake in the garden the other night.

    Excellent. Saw a pair walking around a nature reserve recently (I was doing the walking, not the snakes).

  94. Ellen of Tasmania

    but also probably tell their daughters to put on less revealing clothes when they go out

    Oh, horror – mothers who think their daughters should dress modestly! How low can we go? What next – fathers (who know how men think) insisting their daughters dress a little bit more modestly?

    Seriously – this is what upsets these people?

  95. candy

    Mr Ruddock has recommended that the right of schools to turn away gay students and teachers be enshrined in the Sex Discrimination Act.

    Seems a bit extreme. Can’t see why for example a maths teacher should not teach at a religious school. If they are appropriate in every way would their private life just be their own business? It’s maths they are imparting, not faith beliefs.
    Not sure how they know students are gay either, the students don’t even know for sure some of the time. Is it on the enrolment form, gay/not gay or something.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Prominent Perth man believed to be John Kizon crashes BMW at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital
    PerthNow
    October 10, 2018 7:01AM
    Topics
    WA News

    A PROMINENT Perth man believed to be John Kizon is in a critical condition after crashing his BMW near Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital.

    The crash happened on Hospital Avenue in Nedlands at about 9.40pm on Tuesday.

    7 News Perth believes the 56-year-old Perth identity suffered a medical episode on his way to the emergency department.

    The BMW crashed into the back of a hospital car, a pole, some bollards and a tree.

    Paramedics were called and took the man to SCGH, where he is in a critical but stable condition.

    West Australian Cats will know the name…

  97. struth

    but also probably tell their daughters to put on less revealing clothes when they go out

    Yeah but it’s for a different reason than you think.

    They’re embarrassed at their fat tattooed daughter’s body and can’t believe the rolls of lard hanging out everywhere.

    Put it away.
    Please,please, put it away.

  98. Good work John Constantine.
    I have maintained to anyone within earshot that the WHO is not a scientific body but an amalgamation of activists using the cover of science to push social and economic agendas.
    No doubt they have equal parts of women, minorities, religious nuts and African dictators sons.

  99. Rae

    Percy Popinjay

    Pretentious name after Rabz. Are you actually as Johanna described you?

  100. thefrollickingmole

    candy

    Because sure as apples is apples any “you must hire a gay teacher” would be followed by setup attempts to have Mr Slave trigger a lawsuit..

    South park covered it a decade ago.

  101. struth

    Seems a bit extreme. Can’t see why for example a maths teacher should not teach at a religious school. If they are appropriate in every way would their private life just be their own business? It’s maths they are imparting, not faith beliefs.

    Think, woman.

    You’ve just answered your own question.

    If you know they are gay, they haven’t kept it private.

  102. Percy Popinjay

    The BMW crashed into the back of a hospital car, a pole, some bollards and a tree

    Magnificent work.

  103. Black Ball

    Improving aboriginal lives involves getting them out from under the repressive, divisive Marxism they are suffering under in remote area communities, especially.

    Correct in everything you say.

  104. thefrollickingmole

    some bollards

    See a positive from Islamic immigration after all.

  105. Rae:

    m0nty said the blood cultures showed staphylococcus aureus cellulitis. Standard treatment antibiotic is Flucloxacillin. After 2 days of Cephalexin he said he was still vomiting.

    The tests done are almost without fail Cultures and Sensitivity. i.e organism is sensitive to what antibiotic?
    The culture takes two – three days. Docs don’t wait this long to start treatment, they start with the standard treatment for severe cellulitis. Then they switch if necessary to suit the patients individual history and allergies. Perhaps your immune system is different to the donutmeisters?
    From your obvious extensive research on the matter, you must know Montys allergy history, yes?

  106. Mother Lode

    “The point is, this places belong to all of us and if you flog them off to the highest bidder you tear up the fabric of a city,” Aly said.

    Is he saying it can only be used in a way that everyone agrees on – or just him since he knows what we should all agree on?

    In the former case I think he should compare the non-universal support for SSM with the fact the Opera House was used to only ‘market’ one side.

    If the latter I think he should just get stuffed.

  107. struth

    Correct in everything you say.

    I must get you to have a chat with Mrs Struth.

  108. Chris

    A PROMINENT Perth man believed to be John Kizon

    I thought he was a colourful local identity…

  109. Black Ball

    I must get you to have a chat with Mrs Struth.

    Will there be coffee and Tim Tams? 🙂

  110. H B Bear

    “… medical episode …” Umm … OK.

  111. Mother Lode

    During Tuesday night’s episode of The Project, Waleed Aly used his famous “Something We Need To Talk About” segment

    I have never actually seen one of Squalid’s bits. Somehow I am always bust unclogging my nose or combing the grass.

    Would I be correct in assuming this is where he sits looking at the camera admonishing other people like they are misbehaved children, and it is not a conversation but a laying down the law?

    Are there any avenues for people to respond to him directly? Are there comments on Youtube, or anything?

  112. .

    I think there is no chance the Court finding a right to protest.

    They should but they won’t.

    If so, then we can start shuttling off swampies on logging and mining sites.

    To watch the contortions of the Court to say that States can choose what protests are allowed and not and under what conditions they can be made will be funny, in an aloof, eldritch, anti-social sort of way.

  113. struth

    Will there be coffee and Tim Tams?

    Plenty of coffee.

    Er, um…………………I’m not allowed to have Tim Tams in the house.

    Kicks stones, walks away from computer with hands in pockets……………..

  114. candy;

    If they are appropriate in every way would their private life just be their own business?

    One word: Kavanaugh.

  115. Chris

    A PROMINENT Perth man believed to be John Kizon

    I remember seeing in the paper a ‘glamorous people’ photo inner circle at Metro or the Parrot , some young West Coast Eagles footballers, girls – and John Kizon.
    The most prominent Eagle pictured was a very young rising star, Ben Cousins.

  116. Black Ball

    And Australian batsmen roll over like the overpaid prima donnas they are.

  117. rickw

    Go fuck yourself. Cypriot Greeks escaping Turkish threats of genocide, modern professionals from many countries, genuine refugees from Vietnam who worked their tits off in market grdens to give their kids a chance –
    Just actually look at who Australians actually are now.

    “Pretty Much” means not everyone, there were some generally decent immigrants after the post WWII batch, but a significant number weren’t. I wouldn’t give the Vietnamese such a free pass either, there is something quite wrong with a relatively homogeneous peoples that decide to effectively have a civil war along political lines to the entire country and everyone’s detriment.

  118. H B Bear

    I remember seeing in the paper a ‘glamorous people’ photo inner circle at Metro or the Parrot , some young West Coast Eagles footballers, girls – and John Kizon.

    The irony of Kizon getting wrecked with “Charlie” Gardiner isn’t lost on some.

  119. I am bespoke

    If I had the skill id create a cartoon with Dem’s, MSM stoking a fire behind a wall guarded by armed security.

  120. zyconoclast

    House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy Introducing Bill to Fully Fund Border Wall, Making Midterm Immigration Referendum

    House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy will introduce a bill this week that will fully fund President Donald Trump’s planned wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, thereby setting the midterm elections up as a referendum on immigration policy, Breitbart News has learned exclusively.
    Outgoing Speaker Paul Ryan hinted at a post-election border wall funding fight on Monday.

    “We intend on having a full-fledged discussion on how to complete our mission to secure the border, and yes, we will have a fight about this,” Ryan said of the wall fight that looms at a news conference on Monday.

  121. rickw

    If I were a man I would adopt the “Mike Pence” rule.

    Mike Pence is very smart, he was way ahead of the curve.

    I’ve adopted his rule. “Hey is it OK if I sit here?!” No.

    Especially rewarding if the woman has tatts and piercings. A sure sign of mental issues.

  122. thefrollickingmole

    I know where Monty is….

    ‘It’s as if we’ve never seen a doughnut’: Dublin gets a sugar rush for Krispy Kreme

    New 24-hour store proved so popular it had to close overnight, with many explanations posited for the craze

    A hole in the national psyche, a yearning for community, an addiction to sugar, a triumph of marketing – Ireland has competing explanations for the great Krispy Kreme doughnut rush.

    Something has impelled thousands of people to besiege the US doughnut chain’s first outpost in Ireland, with traffic jams snaking to the north-west Dublin store, but nobody is quite sure what is behind it.

    Hundreds queued overnight for the launch on 26 September and the throngs have kept coming. An all-night cacophony of honking horns and a carnival-like atmosphere at the drive-in has forced managers to shut the doors from 11.30pm until dawn to give the neighbourhood of Blanchardstown some respite.

  123. zyconoclast

    Towards a Swiss law against homophobia
    The National Council approved the criminalization of discrimination against homos3xuals. Switzerland had been repeatedly criticized for its lack of legislation on the subject

    “Victory!” Exclaimed national councilor Mathias Reynard (PS / VS) on Twitter after the National Council accepted his parliamentary initiative against homophobia and transphobia by 118 votes against 60 and 5 abstentions. All the deputies present – with the exception of the UDC group and some PLR ​​- supported his text, which proposes an amendment to the article of the Criminal Code against racial discrimination.

    “A legally problematic notion”
    Currently, only incitement to hatred or discrimination against a person or group of persons on the basis of their “racial, ethnic or religious” affiliation was criminalized – up to 3 years’ imprisonment or a fine. Provided that the Council of States follows the lower house, “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” should now be added to the list. This gap had been pointed out several times at the international level, among others by the United Nations during its periodic review and by the European Commission against intolerance.

    The debate of the bill in the National Council has led to some heated exchanges between the supporters of the project and their opponents, represented in the gallery by the Swiss UDC Yves Nidegger. Under the nods of the left of the hemicycle, the latter lamented the addition of two notions “legally problematic and indefinable” and challenged his colleagues on the question of whether “[email protected], bis3xuality, g3rontophilia, n3crophilia, f3tishism, z00philia, and so on – creativity in this area being inexhaustible – are s3xual orientations that must be protected or not protected.

    “A strong signal”
    “Homophobia is not an opinion,” emphasizes Mathias Reynard. It’s a crime. One in five homos3xuals attempted suicide, half before the age of 20. This victory sends a strong signal. I have already received hundreds of reactions. “The Swiss LGBTI associations were unanimously pleased with the news. For Rene Schegg, secretary general of Pink Cross, “the decision of the day is an important step. It will likely bring Switzerland back to the rankings of the International Association of LGBTI People, where our country currently ranks 22nd behind Estonia and Hungary. “With his stage success, Mathias Reynard said now want to focus on the fight for marriage for all.

  124. Elle

    Elle, you are indeed quite the fag hag.

    I resemble that remark. 😉

  125. Roger

    Can’t see why for example a maths teacher should not teach at a religious school. If they are appropriate in every way would their private life just be their own business? It’s maths they are imparting, not faith beliefs.

    Religious schools generally have a policy that teachers will uphold the teachings of the parent religious body and model the religion to students. For most Christians schools, a maths teacher in a homosexual relationship would not be able to do that.

  126. Chris

    Towards a Swiss law against homophobia

    Homophobia and Islamophobia are terms of art that medicalise political difference of opinion.
    I demand the right to behead people that use them!

  127. Rae

    From your obvious extensive research on the matter, you must know Montys allergy history, yes?

    I’ve done no research on the matter. What I have said is based on my personal experience with multiple episodes of mostly severe cellulitis. Blood cultures are unlikely to change the initial need for treatment of any cellulitis except minor infections with Flucloxacillin rather than the less effective antibiotics such as Cephalexin or Amoxycillin.

    Why would I know anything about m0ntys allergies? He has mentioned a history of making kidney stones, so he is probably immunosuppressed. But that doesn’t mean he is allergic to penicillin.

  128. Confused Old Misfit

    Towards a Swiss law against homophobia

    And there goes Switzerland! Down the Eurogurgler.

  129. Roger

    “The point is, this places belong to all of us and if you flog them off to the highest bidder you tear up the fabric of a city,” Aly said.

    He is quite wrong.

    The Opera House relies on corporate sponsorships to offer free programs to the community.

  130. Cassie of Sydney

    “candy
    #2836018, posted on October 10, 2018 at 1:39 pm
    Mr Ruddock has recommended that the right of schools to turn away gay students and teachers be enshrined in the Sex Discrimination Act.

    Seems a bit extreme. Can’t see why for example a maths teacher should not teach at a religious school. If they are appropriate in every way would their private life just be their own business? It’s maths they are imparting, not faith beliefs.
    Not sure how they know students are gay either, the students don’t even know for sure some of the time. Is it on the enrolment form, gay/not gay or something.”

    Candy, I would have once agreed with you however now that the left have politicised and sexualised everything, the churches (and other religions) have every right to be cautious about employing certain people. It is not simply the case anymore where people are willing to keep their private lives out of the school room. Remember, according to leftist dogma….everything is political. I think that religions and religious institutions have every right to discriminate just as every individual has the right to discriminate. Take away that right and we may as well live in Soviet Australia….oh wait, we almost do!

  131. Geriatric Mayfly

    Maybe spotted a 1.3 metre keelback snake in the garden the other night.

    We seem to be making some progress. The first question without fail used to be: ‘Did you kill it?’

  132. mizaris

    Kizon may have been hastening from someone worse???

  133. JC

    Gools.
    Pull your head in. Stop talking nonsense.

  134. Death Giraffe

    An internal company briefing produced by Google and leaked exclusively to Breitbart News argues that due to a variety of factors, including the election of President Trump, the “American tradition” of free speech on the internet is no longer viable.
    Despite leaked video footage showing top executives declaring their intention to ensure that the rise of Trump and the populist movement is just a “blip” in history, Google has repeatedly denied that the political bias of its employees filter into its products.

    But the 85-page briefing, titled “The Good Censor,” admits that Google and other tech platforms now “control the majority of online conversations” and have undertaken a “shift towards censorship” in response to unwelcome political events around the world.

    ..
    By their own admission they control the internet, are political and against free speech.
    Speak up, libertarian fuckwads.

  135. Makka

    Gladys cries “Uncle!”;

    NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian wants to halve the number of overseas migrants entering her state and thinks state and territory leaders deserve a seat at the table when the federal government draws up immigration policies…

    “We definitely need to take a breather and look at the numbers,” she told Nine Network on Wednesday.

    NSW has a net inflow of about 45,000 people a year at the time Liberal prime minister John Howard was in power, compared to around 100,000 today…

    “My government is building more roads and rail, schools and hospitals than ever before in our state,” she said.

    “We are playing catch up and we do need to take a breather to make sure we have that infrastructure in place, to make sure our infrastructure growth is sustainable”…

  136. .

    She then gives evidence at paragraph 28 and continuing about the effect on her personally as a member of staff of the clinic. She describes some of the things that were said to her by protestors in paragraph 28. She describes her reaction to the protests. At paragraph 38 she gives evidence that:

    four employees from the FCC, including me, were interviewed and examined by clinical psychiatrist Dr Gregory White . . . Dr White found that our exposure to the protestors’ activities created a risk to our emotional and physical health –

    in findings relating to particular physical symptoms and of course that report is exhibited to her affidavit and I do not seek to take the Court to it. She also gives evidence about the effect of the protestors on patients and their companions and can I make perhaps – I do note the time – one observation to conclude, unless the Court wishes to sit on, but Mr Reynolds suggested that Dr Allanson’s affidavit about delay was given at paragraph 50 was in a sense hypothetical and said that she gave no evidence of data about actual delay.

    Well, in fact, Dr Allanson gives very clear evidence about a specific person that she can identify whose treatment was delayed as a consequence of the protestors and your Honours will see that at paragraphs 43 and 44. So we contend that Dr Allanson’s affidavit provides, in a sense, additional material that assists the Court to understand in greater detail than one finds in the second reading speech, but consistently with the second reading speech, the purpose of the law and the mischief to which it is directed. Now, if the Court is content I will stop there.

    Um…this is not very convincing.

  137. .

    Death Giraffe
    #2836059, posted on October 10, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Google is private property.

    Get over it.

  138. Mother Lode

    “Homophobia is not an opinion,” emphasizes Mathias Reynard. It’s a crime.”

    Well, they are planning on making an opinion a crime.

  139. Rae:

    Why would I know anything about m0ntys allergies? He has mentioned a history of making kidney stones, so he is probably immunosuppressed.

    Rae, just stop digging, FFS.

  140. Roger

    “We are playing catch up and we do need to take a breather to make sure we have that infrastructure in place, to make sure our infrastructure growth is sustainable”…

    Enter SloMo: “Making sure infrastructure keeps up with demand is a state government responsibility and we’d be happy send NSW’s unwanted migrants to other states.”

  141. Roger

    You have to give this to SloMo, when someone leans on him, he bears their impression indelibly.

    Treasury told him growth depended upon high immigration and he’s going to hold that line right up to the moment the electorate’s baseball bat hits him fair on the noggin’.

  142. Death Giraffe

    Google is private property.

    Get over it.

    ..
    No it isn’t.
    It is a public listed company reliant for its existence on a complex web of government regulation, state owned asetts across the globe and sweetheart deals with tyrannies.
    They crowd out true private owned concerns just as much as state schools and hospitals do.
    A true libertarian would be against these filthy fucks with every fibre of their being.

  143. thefrollickingmole

    Its almost sad….

    Brett Kavanaugh: divisive fight fades into silence on justice’s first day
    Kavanaugh’s elevation was briefly acknowledged by John Roberts, but the remarks were forgotten amid mundane court business

    The first case Kavanaugh heard did not come freighted with high stakes or tremble with grave import. It was a question of whether a 1997 conviction for robbery in Florida had to have involved “physical force” to become a violent felony conviction, under a federal law that imposed a mandatory minimum sentence on those with three prior convictions for violent felonies convicted of illegal firearm possession.

    The issue did not arise in Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. There was no bearing on executive power, on the constitutionality of Obamacare or on abortion rights.

    Instead, it was the kind of nettlesome piece of statutory interpretation that makes up much of the supreme court’s work.

    The justices handled it with brio. They badgered the lawyers and made jokes and Justice Sonia Sotomayor even gave Justice Neil Gorsuch a pinch, illustrating a hypothetical question about said physical force.

    Eventually, Kavanaugh joined in. His first question prompted a slight hush: it was about supreme court precedent. He asked three others. By the end of the session, his interventions seemed about as surprising as the sips he took from a silver cup or the occasional moments in which he slipped on a pair of reading glasses, then pulled them off.

    Although there were a handful of protesters outside the court before its session began – dressed as characters from The Handmaid’s Tale, they shouted “Believe women” – they had dispersed by the end of the first case. There were still some television cameras outside but they weren’t broadcasting. Tourists strolled around the grounds. Disruptions on sidewalk came not from partisan vitriol but passersby, riding scooters.

    Also try this for a “fake news” headline…

    Trump falsely says Kavanaugh was ‘proven innocent’ at swearing-in

    Donald Trump, speaking at a triumphalist White House ceremony, has made the baseless claim that the new supreme court justice Brett Kavanaugh was “proven innocent” of allegations of sexual assault.

    So 5 or 6 FBI investigations into a blokes background dont mean a thing anymore?

    Trump, often criticised for rubbing salt in national wounds rather than healing them, continued: “What happened to the Kavanaugh family violates every notion of fairness, decency and due process. Our country, a man or woman must always be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.”


    Clarence Thomas, who was confirmed to the court in 1991 despite sexual harassment allegations by Anita Hill, joined applause in the room. Sitting beside him, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a liberal justice, did not. All eight sitting supreme court justices were present.

    So its come to this, the left want kangaroo courts where all men are guilty and can never, by definition, prove their innocence, and pointing out you “must always be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.” is hair on fire partisan hate speech.

  144. Cassie of Sydney

    “Makka
    #2836060, posted on October 10, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    Gladys cries “Uncle!”;

    NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian wants to halve the number of overseas migrants entering her state and thinks state and territory leaders deserve a seat at the table when the federal government draws up immigration policies…

    “We definitely need to take a breather and look at the numbers,” she told Nine Network on Wednesday.

    NSW has a net inflow of about 45,000 people a year at the time Liberal prime minister John Howard was in power, compared to around 100,000 today…

    “My government is building more roads and rail, schools and hospitals than ever before in our state,” she said.

    “We are playing catch up and we do need to take a breather to make sure we have that infrastructure in place, to make sure our infrastructure growth is sustainable”…”

    WTF. So what took her so long? The only reason Gladbag is saying this is because she is on the nose politically. This Photios government has been missing in action on everything. Trying to get a peep out of Gladbag on important issues has been near impossible. She is gifting NSW a Foley government when the Labor party should have been kept out of office here in NSW for a generation….remember the 17 squalid years of Carr, Iemma, Rees, that blond imbecile, Obeid, McDonald and the list of dregs goes on and on. Thanks Gladbag.

  145. Leo G

    Dr. Christina Blasey Ford has been nominated for a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distinguished Alumna Award for “speaking truth to power” by going public with sexual assault allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

    LOL

  146. Makka

    Enter SloMo: “Making sure infrastructure keeps up with demand is a state government responsibility and we’d be happy send NSW’s unwanted migrants to other states.”

    Scummo shouldn’t feel so smug. I noticed yesterday that Labor came out and admitted they believe the visa rort is pushing down on wages growth. Haven’t seen that before. So even the filth realise there is now votes in curtailing our high immigration numbers. Scummo coming under pressure from all sides.

  147. Rae

    Rae, just stop digging

    I haven’t been digging. You have.

    I responded to someone else’s query about why m0nty is absent. You’ve been digging ever since.

  148. thefrollickingmole

    .

    Are they a carrier or exercising editorial oversight?

    Because they cant be both.
    And only one option protects them from lawsuits.

  149. Howard Hill

    Women, other than your wife, should only be taking your meal order when speaking directly to you.
    It’s really all you want to hear from them, if you are honest.

    Tee hee

    I guess those old jokes about stacking them 20 deep at the tip and throwing stones at them will be making the rounds again after this debacle, lol.

  150. .

    These second-best arguments are just terrible.

    Obama said it all: “You didn’t build that”.

    I’m having a hard time believing people think this is a valid argument.

    “But Google…” is more whataboutism. We’re better than lobsters so let’s have better arguments.

    There are alternatives – Discord servers, Brave…etc. Tim Berners Lee is working on something too which is a browser and a social network as well.

  151. .

    That’s true mole. It doesn’t require any extra regulation though.

    If Google gets regulated by unlawfully (as it is the US) by regulating carriers and the like, there goes Brave, Discord etc.

    That would be an error that the left would turn to their advantage.

    Imagine if some taupe suited Obama deep stater got to regulate Brave, Discord, Bitchute, Gab the Chans and so on. Let alone anywhere there might be a controversial opinion, like here, at Stormfront or on a black nationalist site.

    Just absolutely shocking. I cannot comprehend why anyone would invite that to happen, other than short-sightedness bought on by blind hatred.

  152. .

    That’s true mole. It doesn’t require any extra regulation though.

    If Google gets regulated by unlawfully (as it is the US) by regulating carriers and the like, there goes Brave, Discord etc.

    That would be an error that the left would turn to their advantage.

    Imagine if some taupe suited Obama deep stater got to regulate Brave, Discord, Bitchute, Gab the Chans and so on. Let alone anywhere there might be a controversial opinion, like here, at Strum fronten or on a black nationalist site.

    Just absolutely shocking. I cannot comprehend why anyone would invite that to happen, other than short-sightedness bought on by blind hatred.

  153. Makka

    So 5 or 6 FBI investigations into a blokes background dont mean a thing anymore?

    Now 7. And no, for the leftscum there must be more investigations until they get dirt on him. THEN it is enough. They are criminally demented.

  154. Lysander

    Who would be the Melbourne or Sydney equivalent of Kizon?

    He’s bad news here in Perth!

  155. Lysander

    Sorry, got the answer:

    Graham Ashton?

  156. Howard Hill

    Tim Berners Lee is working on something too which is a browser and a social network as well.

    I’d like to see a decentralised social network that works on bit torrent, or blockchain tech or maybe both. Would certainly free up speech and destroy the marxist, monopolies stalking everyone.

  157. Confused Old Misfit

    Don’t like Discord. Does things without being told to. Sends out information without being instructed to. By default. Yes, you can control some of its stupidity. But it’s not intuitive. It can also degenerate into as much of a septic environment as Twitter and Reddit.

  158. Death Giraffe

    Obama said it all: “You didn’t build that”.

    In the case of big tech they literally did not build that.
    All those applications were designed by small gen x private guys, bought out by baby boomer corporatist, soialist corruptocrat globalist criminal swine… i.e Obama’s mates.

  159. .

    Don’t believe a word Gladys is saying.

    NSW, ALP and LNP, has had 40+ years to build adequate infrastructure for Sydney. They’ve sold off corridors to maaates, caved into moonbeam, union and Green nimbys and continue to centralise a large government in Sydney (and in Macquarie St over local government as well). FMD I was a small kid when a 2nd airport was being discussed. I could possibly die an old man before it ever gets built (although under construction, it might get boned after someone loses power, they’ve done stuff all so far and it will be STAGE ONE by 2026).

    There is no State election upcoming but there is a Federal election and a Federal by-election yet sooner.

    She’s been told to say something to stop the LNP bleeding votes.

    The LNP hate Pauline, Cory, Dave L more than some of you can imagine.

    That’s all there is to it.

  160. .

    Lysander

    Do any of your circle have familiarity with Article 15 of the ICCPR?

    As accepted into Australian domestic law, 1980:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/1980/23.html

    Article 15

    1. No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time when the criminal offence was committed. If, subsequent to the commission of the offence, provision is made by law for the imposition of a lighter penalty, the offender shall benefit thereby.

    I thought you might find that very interesting and I wonder if it has ever been brought up.

  161. Senile Old Guy

    CNN won’t give up:

    Dr. Christina Blasey Ford has been nominated for a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distinguished Alumna Award for “speaking truth to power” by going public with sexual assault allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. “What Dr. Blasey Ford did on September 27, 2018 was something that was extraordinary in how ordinary it was: she told the truth about a sexual assault she experienced when she was fifteen years old at the hands of Judge Brett Kavanaugh,” wrote UNC English professor Dr. Jennifer Ho in the letter nominating Ford, speaking about the California professor’s testimony last month in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    She made allegations which are implausible and proven false by her own behaviour. So now you can accuse someone, with no evidence, and almost no detailed allegations, of attempted sexual assault and win an award.

  162. Makka

    All those applications were designed by small gen x private guys, bought out by baby boomer corporatist, soialist corruptocrat globalist criminal swine… i.e Obama’s mates.

    Not really. Fb for example started it’s original life as LifeLog, a DoD project. The day after Lifelog was abandoned by the Govt, Fb became a registered company. What a coincidence?

  163. Lysander

    No Dot. But thanks… I’ll have a read!

  164. Just got halfway through this documentory – Making Mars a New Earth – the main interviewee started crapping on about GHG on earth warming the planet.
    OK thinks Winston, there is a case for warming a planet using the flourocarbons to trap heat, but not CO2. Strike one, but mate.
    Rabbits on about “If Mars has it’s own peculiar microbial lifeforms, then we should leave it alone and go elsewhere.”
    Click.
    Idiot.

  165. .

    Death Giraffe
    #2836084, posted on October 10, 2018 at 3:12 pm

    Obama said it all: “You didn’t build that”.

    In the case of big tech they literally did not build that.
    All those applications were designed by small gen x private guys, bought out by baby boomer corporatist, soialist corruptocrat globalist criminal swine… i.e Obama’s mates.

    Mostly garbage. This is just feelz.

  166. Religious schools generally have a policy that teachers will uphold the teachings of the parent religious body and model the religion to students. For most Christians schools, a maths teacher in a homosexual relationship would not be able to do that.

    Exactly, the same holds for students who seek to bring their same=sex partners to ‘formals’. The point of the law is to allow schools some flexibility when students or teachers make their sexuality a matter for public consumption when it is contrary to their teachings. Any attempt to remove this is a direct attack on religious freedom.

  167. .

    Not really. Fb for example started it’s original life as LifeLog, a DoD project. The day after Lifelog was abandoned by the Govt, Fb became a registered company. What a coincidence?

    Yeah I know right. You bring up In Q Tel, real stuff, and people look at you like you’re crazy.

    The ridiculous part is how perhaps Pokemon Go was an idea to turn citizens into surveillance drones.

    “If Mars has it’s own peculiar microbial lifeforms, then we should leave it alone and go elsewhere.”

    Perhaps old mate can reeeeeeeee into the interstellar medium in an escape pod. If this is the case, we may as well never ever build any new buildings on earth either.

    Very shallow, stupid virtue signalling.

  168. calli

    First! Because it’s still Tuesday in San Francisco. 🙂

  169. Tintarella di Luna

    Diogenes
    #2835977, posted on October 10, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    Now that is what determination looks like — 10 years!!!

  170. Senile Old Guy

    The Guardian:

    Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed, and he will serve as a justice on the supreme court for the rest of his life. This event assures rightwing dominance of the court for a generation – or so we are told. [snip] At bottom, though, opponents of court-packing have a burden to supply a superior alternative. The court is firmly in the grips of young conservatives who will serve for decades. What is to be done?

    The kicker is the author:

    Ian Samuel is an associate professor of law at Indiana University Bloomington’s Maurer school of law.

    A professor of law is writing about ways to stack the Supreme Court with progressives. I’ll bet he gives non-partisan lectures.

    The link.

  171. .

    My post from 3:15 shows that any retrospective criminal law made in Australia is illegal, a breach of human rights law and technically, also unconstitutional.

    Remember this well when various Parliaments try to pull the stunt of introducing retrospective criminal laws.

  172. Cassie of Sydney

    “There is no State election upcoming”. There will be state election in NSW in March 2019. That is only six months away….which is why, I suspect, Gladys is panicking. I doubt very much that there will be a federal election before that…unless the Libs lose Wentworth and even then I think that Morrison will cling on.

  173. .

    Shit, I seriously forgot and thought it was 2020.

    Maybe I want it to be then.

    The Federal election will be soon after the State one.

  174. Howard Hill

    Should gun owners be allowed due process?
    Seems Trump doesn’t think so.

    If we want to beat these lefty loons we need to be consistent, people!

  175. .

    Thanks Cassie.

    It doesn’t matter though – everyone who posts here is basically persona non-grata to the Liberals.

    I’d put it down to big noting for the State election and trying to shore up votes for Morrison against the actual right wing.

  176. Lysander

    Yes it’s a corker of a point Dot but I wonder, aloud and stupidly, why do they then think they can get away with this crap?

  177. Death Giraffe

    You know the tree from it’s fruit, fruit.
    The fact that these big tech companies are full blown social justice lunatics throwing sensible libertarian and conservative users off their sites should give you some fucking clue they aren’t the paragons of private property you clsim they are.

  178. Makka

    You would have to be very gullible to believe the Intel Community hasn’t had a very deep interest in developing the means to spy on it’s citizens from the very beginning.

    Two decades ago, the US intelligence community worked closely with Silicon Valley in an effort to track citizens in cyberspace. And Google is at the heart of that origin story. Some of the research that led to Google’s ambitious creation was funded and coordinated by a research group established by the intelligence community to find ways to track individuals and groups online.

    ——————–

    INSURGE INTELLIGENCE, a new crowd-funded investigative journalism project, breaks the exclusive story of how the United States intelligence community funded, nurtured and incubated Google as part of a drive to dominate the world through control of information. Seed-funded by the NSA and CIA, Google was merely the first among a plethora of private sector start-ups co-opted by US intelligence to retain ‘information superiority.’

    The origins of this ingenious strategy trace back to a secret Pentagon-sponsored group, that for the last two decades has functioned as a bridge between the US government and elites across the business, industry, finance, corporate, and media sectors.

    —————————————

    14 cutting edge firms funded by the CIA

    Then there is 5 Eyes.

  179. Nick

    Pretentious name after Rabz. Are you actually as Johanna described you?

    That would explain a couple of things

  180. JC

    Giraffe

    No one of note has ever argued that the best proponents of free markets etc are businessmen. Most of them know shit. What the successful ones are good at is buying apples for 3 cents and selling them for 5 cents.

    The tech guys are smart. There’s no question that the two palookas who created Google are freaking geniuses. They did create the search engine of choice and then ran with it. However, why expect them to know anything about economics?

    Also, it’s their self interest combined with all sort of government impediments that requires large amounts of money spent on lobbying. All they’re doing is reacting to lobbying.

    If you don’t like what these fucks are doing then set up a competitive system or simply go somewhere else. I don’t read Fairfax for instance.

  181. .

    “Paragon of private property…”

    I have never heard anyone use this Rex Mossopism before.

    I don’t think Don Lemon is a “paragon of free speech”, but that twit should be allowed to say whatever he likes.

  182. .

    Lysander
    #2836104, posted on October 10, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    Yes it’s a corker of a point Dot but I wonder, aloud and stupidly, why do they then think they can get away with this crap?

    1. They don’t care about the law or our/your rights.
    2. They know the High Court has been fundamentally bad for the citizens for about 30 years now.

    Retrospective criminal laws in Australia are obviously and explicitly illegal, and it is virtually impossible to end this prohibition.

    It is absolutely amazing and terrifying that very few Parliamentarians bring this up, or that retired judges say nothing, let alone the politicised law councils going along with it all.

  183. DrBeauGan

    Not more condescending bullshit.

    You’re a minority, black ball. Being patronised by loony lefty losers is what gives meaning and purpose to their dreary lives.

  184. Geriatric Mayfly

    Are we to assume that people are basically stupid? Just read the instructions on the packet of some grub which I bought. It says; “Preheat oven to 200C. and cook for 30 minutes. CAUTION. Container and contents will be hot after heating.” FMD.

  185. Nick

    2013:

    Aussies will be able to get their photos on the sails of the iconic Sydney Opera House as part of a new competition to tie in with Samsung becoming principal commercial partner of the Australian landmark.

    The multi-million-dollar, three year deal is the largest ever for the Opera House and also consumer electronics company Samsung’s largest arts sponsorship. As part of the deal, Samsung will provide technology support.

  186. H B Bear

    Treasury told [SloMo] growth depended upon high immigration and he’s going to hold that line right up to the moment the electorate’s baseball bat hits him fair on the noggin’.

    Democracy – good and hard and repeatedly.

    Governments rely on bracket creep to provide unlegislated increases in the tax take year on year. Now they rely on the population Ponzi to provide growth while they stifle real growth through red tape and the inexorable increase in the public sector.

  187. Howard Hill

    Are we to assume that people are basically stupid?

    I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard or read that people are basically stupid.

  188. JC

    Really, Mike a Republican sweep in 30 days?

    Mike Wilson, equity strategist at Morgan Stanley, said in a note that the rise in interest rates has signaled the possibility for end-of-cycle risks, which would cap stock market gains and lead to intramarket rotations.

    “We think this creates a tipping point that explains many of the performance themes this week and lays the groundwork for something of a regime change that is very much in line with our overall outlook for the S&P 500, as well as our style and sector recommendations,” Wilson wrote in a note.

    Wilson has previously said that he believes a multiyear bear market is already here and stock market gains will be limited with the S&P 500 trading in a range of 2,400 to 3,000 over the next several years.

    “Yields are rising but growth will likely slow next year, which means portfolios need to shift,” he wrote in a note.

    “If the market begins to believe that a Republican sweep is likely to occur in the midterms, the likelihood of a tax cut extension, infrastructure spending and continued focus on trade protectionism all rise. We view these potential policy paths as inflationary and likely to add to the deficit, providing upward pressure on rates,” he wrote.

    And that would be bad for stocks? GTFoH

  189. JC

    Where the hell is Drudge? The idiot hasn’t updated much for two days now.

  190. Lysander

    Thanks Dot. I’m going to do a bit more research into it as I find that exceedingly interesting!

    Good find!

  191. I am bespoke

    If you don’t like what these fucks are doing then set up a competitive system or simply go somewhere else.

    Gab was forced by MS to ban someone because it ran on azure.

  192. JC

    Gab was forced by MS to ban someone because it ran on azure.

    Explain.

  193. Whalehunt fun

    I wish I had a dollar for every time I found that people really are basically stupid.
    That is every vote ever cast for the Greens or Labor or the Aust Democrats.

  194. Tintarella di Luna

    I was stuck in England for eight years before making it to Australia in 1958.

    Commiserations for the delay but certainly glad you made it – Welcome

  195. Speedbox

    “I want to be a European. And European doesn’t mean diverse, European means Christian European – this is what it is for our continent. Unless, well, Saudi Arabia will decide to be diverse and they will let us build the Cathedral there.

    I can pay for it, I don’t mind. I’m serious – if they want to have mosques in Warsaw they will have to let me pay for the Cathedral in Saudi Arabia. I will pay for it”.

    Member of Parliament Dominik Tarczyński of Poland’s Law and Justice party.

  196. .

    What are Amy B’s views on Kelo and Wickard v Filburn?

  197. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #2836125, posted on October 10, 2018 at 4:00 pm
    After looking at the pic, my hunch is that he won’t thrive in prison.

    Senate Doxxer Jackson Cosko Held Without Bond – Judge Considers Him Too Dangerous to Release (VIDEO)’

    I wonder how the Demrat soy boy will fare behind bars…..not well I suspect. Good.

  198. TE:
    The authorities charged with the prevention of this kind of behaviour have done nothing to prevent it, and have actively promoted the assaults on the victims by refusing to remove them from the dangerous situation.
    Until the kids are moved and fostered out to safe homes, the problem will continue.
    And by safe homes, I mean removal from the Dysfunctional Aboriginal Culture that supports this travesty.

  199. Speedbox

    I wonder how the Demrat soy boy will fare behind bars…..not well I suspect.

    On the contrary. There will be inmates known as ‘Bubba” and ‘Rikky’ who will take good care of him.

  200. Cassie of Sydney

    “Speedbox
    #2836128, posted on October 10, 2018 at 4:05 pm
    “I want to be a European. And European doesn’t mean diverse, European means Christian European – this is what it is for our continent. Unless, well, Saudi Arabia will decide to be diverse and they will let us build the Cathedral there.

    I can pay for it, I don’t mind. I’m serious – if they want to have mosques in Warsaw they will have to let me pay for the Cathedral in Saudi Arabia. I will pay for it”.

    Member of Parliament Dominik Tarczyński of Poland’s Law and Justice party.”

    Isn’t is refreshing to hear a politician speak the truth. I wish we had someone like Dominik Tarczyński…the nearest we have is Pauline but I bet Mr Tarczyński is a lot more articulate. We are governed by scum.

  201. Tintarella di Luna

    Flucloxacillin

    that’s the big gun for cellulitis – my young bloke had it and it was very very nasty, the doctor gave him the wrong penicillin for a couple of days but once on the Flucloxacillin the change was almost instantaneous and the infected area cleared up very quickly after that but there is still a shadow on his leg where the infection had spread and that’s after more than a year. Very very nasty infection.

  202. OldOzzie

    Something I didn’t know –

    Cats you can read The Australian freely online

    Minor Catch – you will need to read Chinese

  203. min

    The woman standing for labor in our electorate,State this time but Federal last election, is the very reason quotas should never happen . She was asked whether merit or quotas were more important and she said merit. If she was an example of merit God help us if labor wins.
    Here are so me of her gems
    This is the worst drought ever
    I am in socialist left faction and believe in climate change so no more coal and only renewables
    We should stop exporting coal
    We can manage economy with all the green jobs
    China is switching to renewables and not coal.
    No Germany is not building new coalfired power stations
    No idea about how franking works
    Need I go on ? I was going to ask her how many turbines would it take to power desalination plant? Gave up on someon so ignorant

  204. Peter Campion

    Abetz just told Speers that someone who wished to promote socialism would not be welcome in the Lieboral Party….

    Is there more than one Lieboral Party?

  205. I am bespoke

    JC
    #2836123, posted on October 10, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Gab was forced by MS to ban someone because it ran on azure.
    Explain.

    Microsoft threatens to boot the far-right’s favourite social network off its cloud over posts that threatened Jews with ‘vengeance’

  206. thefrollickingmole

    “If Mars has it’s own peculiar microbial lifeforms, then we should leave it alone and go elsewhere.”

    Because if you are an idiot Malthusian or a green/Nimby tosswad there is nothing more sphincter clenchingly terrifying than the thought of humans having an entire solar system of resources to prove you wrong.

    Let alone the seizure inducing idea that humanities population would be magnitudes greater with terraforming AND the systems resources to gorge our wicked, wicked selves on.

  207. Shy Ted

    I think the real question is “will the cellulitis survive Monty?”

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    if they want to have mosques in Warsaw

    No mosque, and they just upend their arses in the street.

  209. struth

    Are we to assume that people are basically stupid? Just read the instructions on the packet of some grub which I bought. It says; “Preheat oven to 200C. and cook for 30 minutes. CAUTION. Container and contents will be hot after heating.” FMD.

    Well, this is no joke.

    I was in a winery and went to the worker’s dunny out the back.

    Inside was a poster letting me know the safe way to lay a cable.
    I kid you not.
    Feet flat on the ground and a straight back.

    The photo was of a bloke sitting on the dunny with his pants still up and a safety vest on.
    Feet nicely flat on the ground.

    So after I had shit in my dacks………………………..

  210. Cassie of Sydney

    “Flucloxacillin”

    What a perfect descriptor for Monty.

  211. Boambee John

    I can pay for it, I don’t mind. I’m serious – if they want to have mosques in Warsaw they will have to let me pay for the Cathedral in Saudi Arabia. I will pay for it”.

    Member of Parliament Dominik Tarczyński of Poland’s Law and Justice party.”

    I recall reading that a senior Muslim in conversation with Pope Benedict expressed the view that he would love to see a former mosque in Spain (Alambrha??) become a mosque again. Benedict sympathised, commenting that he too had a dream, to again hear the Angelus rung at Hagia Sophia.

    End of discussion.

  212. Cassie of Sydney

    “Boambee John
    #2836147, posted on October 10, 2018 at 4:31 pm
    I can pay for it, I don’t mind. I’m serious – if they want to have mosques in Warsaw they will have to let me pay for the Cathedral in Saudi Arabia. I will pay for it”.

    Member of Parliament Dominik Tarczyński of Poland’s Law and Justice party.”

    I recall reading that a senior Muslim in conversation with Pope Benedict expressed the view that he would love to see a former mosque in Spain (Alambrha??) become a mosque again. Benedict sympathised, commenting that he too had a dream, to again hear the Angelus rung at Hagia Sophia.

    End of discussion.”

    Whereas Francis the Fool would hand over the keys.

  213. thefrollickingmole

    We have always had green/loons in our midst, highly educated idiots calling for “grand plans” to save the world.

    Why dont we lock them up anymore?

    Famine 1975! America’s Decision: Who Will Survive?

    Famine 1975! America’s Decision: Who Will Survive? is a best-selling[1] 1967 book by William and Paul Paddock. The brothers describe the rapidly growing population of the world, and a situation in which they believe it would be impossible to feed the entire global population within the short-term future. They believed that widespread famine would be the inevitable result, by 1975.


    Paul R. Ehrlich, who wrote bestseller The Population Bomb along similar lines the following year, lavishly praised the book, calling it courageous for daring to address the problems of the age in a concrete way, and one of the most important books of our age.[5] Others criticized the use of extrapolated, and sometimes incorrect, statistics and assumptions to make such drastic and consequential conclusions.[2] The book is often cited as a classic example of the neo-Malthusian revival of the 1950s-1970s.

  214. Speedbox

    Isn’t is refreshing to hear a politician speak the truth. I wish we had someone like Dominik Tarczyński…the nearest we have is Pauline but I bet Mr Tarczyński is a lot more articulate. We are governed by scum.

    It is interesting that similar comments are made by politicians in other Central/Eastern European countries. I will try to find additional examples but I have read similar elsewhere. I do have a comment from Russian President Putin.

    “In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities.

    When this honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

    Vladimir Putin addressing the Duma, 4th February 2013

    What an extraordinary outcome if the last bastions of Christian western culture in Europe end up being those countries many have previously sneered at or have been part of the former USSR.

  215. rickw

    Just got halfway through this documentory – Making Mars a New Earth – the main interviewee started crapping on about GHG on earth warming the planet.

    Isn’t the most pressing issue with Mars a magnetic field to stop everything being fried by solar flares?

  216. What an extraordinary outcome if the last bastions of Christian western culture in Europe end up being those countries many have previously sneered at or have been part of the former USSR.

    That would appear to be inevitable.

  217. zyconoclast

    Something I didn’t know –

    Cats you can read The Australian freely online

    Minor Catch – you will need to read Chinese

    Use the translate option and read it in English.

  218. DrBeauGan

    What an extraordinary outcome if the last bastions of Christian western culture in Europe end up being those countries many have previously sneered at or have been part of the former USSR.

    Having been part of the former USSR was very educational. Preferring Western Civilisation after a dose of Marxism is pretty much inevitable.

    A fool learns by his own mistakes, a wise man by the mistakes of others.

  219. .

    I’ve heard of a SWMS for a BBQ, but never a toilet.

  220. thefrollickingmole

    More lefty standard fix for a problem, kill everyone whos not you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich

    Ehrlich’s opinions have evolved over time, and he has proposed different solutions to the problem of overpopulation. In Population Bomb he wrote, “We must have population control at home, hopefully through a system of incentives and penalties, but by compulsion if voluntary methods fail. We must use our political power to push other countries into programs which combine agricultural development and population control.”[18] Voluntary measures he has endorsed include the easiest possible availability of birth control and abortion. In 1967 he had expressed his belief that aid should only be given to those countries that were not considered to be “hopeless” to feed their own populations.


    Other activities
    Ehrlich was one of the initiators of the group Zero Population Growth (renamed Population Connection) in 1968, along with Richard Bowers and Charles Remington. In 1971, Ehrlich was elected to the Common Cause National Governing Board. He and his wife Anne were part of the board of advisers of the Federation for American Immigration Reform until 2003. He is currently a patron of Population Matters, (formerly known as the Optimum Population Trust).[40]

    Ehrlich has spoken at conferences in Israel on the issue of desertification. He has argued that “True Zionists should have small families”.

    This loon is still holding paying positions and feted around the world.
    There is some hope for Monty yet, his wrongollogy might turn out to be just as lucrative.

  221. Nick

    In the doctors waiting room, the ABC is on, lots of chatter about religious schools and gays. They have lots of long shots of a statue of Mary. They never stop. Strange with all the attempts to find out what Muslims think, they never ask that question.

  222. I am bespoke

    JC
    #2836123, posted on October 10, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Gab was forced by MS to ban someone because it ran on azure.
    Explain.

    Microsoft threatens

  223. thefrollickingmole

    I think its somewhat ironic it appears the much awarded Mr Ehrlich appears to have written a book which would see anyone else branded a racist neo-nazi kitten stomper.

    The Race Bomb (1978)
    Skin color, prejudice, and intelligence

  224. Religious schools don’t need to cater to deviants. Good! Now watch the grubs crawl out from under their rocks and start to wail.

  225. wivenhoe

    There is some hope for Monty yet, his wrongollogy might turn out to be just as lucrative.

    Worked for Bob Ellis, and Wrongelson

  226. H B Bear

    If Ehrlich had any sense of shame he would be volunteering as a shopping centre speedbump for eternity. He would make a great visiting academic at the Prof’s School of Wrongology,

  227. wivenhoe

    oops, Wrongselon, but you all knew that.

  228. stackja

    PC – EA is real Liberal.

  229. DrBeauGan

    I am bespoke
    #2836161, posted on October 10, 2018 at 4:50 pm
    JC
    #2836123, posted on October 10, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Gab was forced by MS to ban someone because it ran on azure.
    Explain.

    Microsoft threatens

    Microsoft has a good case. The posts complained of were allegedly inciting violence against dzhwz.

    Freedom of speech stops at the point of inciting violence. Against anybody.

    Except politicians, of course.

  230. thefrollickingmole

    I thought one of the examples linked was definitely over the line, the other calling for vandalism possibly over the line (anyone want to guess how many posts calling for the vandalism of confederate/pale stale male monuments have been barred).

    The problem is not so much that google have acted, but the many, many times they dont for similar stuff from the “left”.

  231. JC

    Bepsoke.

    What you’re explaining appears to me to be a case of incitement. “Vengeance” offers incitement clearly and directly. I’m on Microtheft’s side over this simple one, as it doesn’t appear to be a free speech issue.

  232. JC

    Here’s Microsoft’s response.

    Microsoft received a complaint about specific posts on Gab.ai that advocate ‘ritual death by torture’ and the ‘complete eradication’ of all Jews. After an initial review, we have concluded that this content incites violence, is not protected by the First Amendment, and violates Microsoft Azure’s acceptable use policy. Microsoft notified Gab.ai of this substantial concern and advised that it remove this content or respond to Microsoft within 48 hours, or potentially risk suspension of its service on Azure.

    We believe we have an important responsibility to ensure that our services are not abused by people and groups seeking to incite violence against others. Our policies rightly prohibit this type of content, and we expect Gab.ai to abide by these policies if it wishes to use our service. Gab.ai is of course free to choose otherwise and work with another cloud service provider or host this content itself. If it wishes to make that choice, we will provide it with a reasonable amount of time, in this instance longer than 48 hours, to transition its content elsewhere before its access to Azure is terminated. But we will stand by our policy and insist that Gab.ai remove what is unlawful and hateful content.

  233. Shy Ted

    If I do give up meat and take up vegetarianism to save the planet I can assure you there’ll be a heck of a lot more flatulence than the cattle could ever produce. Don’t light a cigarette anywhere near me.

  234. JC

    Here’s Microsoft’s response.

    Microsoft received a complaint about specific posts on Gab.ai that advocate ‘ritual death by torture’ and the ‘complete eradication’ of all J*ws. After an initial review, we have concluded that this content incites violence, is not protected by the First Amendment, and violates Microsoft Azure’s acceptable use policy. Microsoft notified Gab.ai of this substantial concern and advised that it remove this content or respond to Microsoft within 48 hours, or potentially risk suspension of its service on Azure.

    We believe we have an important responsibility to ensure that our services are not abused by people and groups seeking to incite violence against others. Our policies rightly prohibit this type of content, and we expect Gab.ai to abide by these policies if it wishes to use our service. Gab.ai is of course free to choose otherwise and work with another cloud service provider or host this content itself. If it wishes to make that choice, we will provide it with a reasonable amount of time, in this instance longer than 48 hours, to transition its content elsewhere before its access to Azure is terminated. But we will stand by our policy and insist that Gab.ai remove what is unlawful and hateful content.

  235. Mother Lode

    Isn’t the most pressing issue with Mars a magnetic field to stop everything being fried by solar flares?

    Won’t be a problem with a few 10,000’s of magnetic field generators powered by good old renewable sand.

    All the jobs that would create would let Mars rival Earth for wealth, and create an export industry to the asteroid belt.

    Where is your vision?

  236. Mother Lode

    Did I mention the magnetic field generators would be subsidised even though they were cheaper (trust me) than the processes taxed to subsidise them?

  237. DrBeauGan

    Colonising small asteroids that can be made to spin fast enough to give internal gravity would make more sense than colonising Mars. Even a small asteroid has enough internal space to support a billion people.

    The main advantage of a space colony would be the ability to keep fuckwits out.

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