Open Forum: October 13, 2018

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  1. .

    Unfortunately, it seems not. Apparently, he’s as hardy a target as Shrillary under Bosnian artillery shelling during the Vogon siege of Macchu Pikachu in the 1570s.

    That sir is worthy of a vogon saga of epic poetry.

  2. .

    Voting strategically to weaken the ALP/LNP/GRN “uniparty” bloc is not wasting your vote.

    No, not at all.

    It can be thought of a way to leverage your vote.

  3. Percy Popinjay

    That sir is worthy of a vogon saga of epic poetry.

    Don’t tempt me, Squire.

  4. Senile Old Guy

    Voting strategically to weaken the ALP/LNP/GRN “uniparty” bloc is not wasting your vote.

    Depends on the candidates in your electorate.

  5. Gab

    Scomo, not getting my first vote.

    Libs not getting any of my votes.

  6. Anyone see how Trump appointed three conservative Federalist society members as new justices of the US appeals court’s “nutty 9th” circuit

    She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie,
    Cocaine.

  7. None

    I’m guessing nag, doctor BG. In fact the whole conservative website is quite a page and just kind of smells of these chunky Pentecostal type money laundering outfits. It’s quite off putting. Before they will even tell you who they are or what they stand for they ask you for money.

  8. egg_

    ‘ ducks like a quack’.

    Glad to see someone got it!

  9. DrBeauGan

    rickw
    #2838307, posted on October 13, 2018 at 7:53 pm
    Robber made holy:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkiZ0KJYQpg

    That was very educational. Obviously, a small calibre gun makes only small holes.

  10. Libs not getting any of my votes.

    So, voting Labor then, Gab?

  11. cohenite

    You guys have no idea bout the voting system in this country and disdain the cynicism necessary to get elected. That was amply demonstrated with the pile on of the Sceptics when they decided to preference the liars in front of the libs:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/08/31/no-carbon-tax-climate-sceptics-party/comment-page-1/

  12. egg_

    The ABC has uncovered a covert plot by Australia’s alt-right movement to join major political parties and influence their policy agendas from within.

    Oh no, it’s a VRWC!

    Sounds like a cunning stunt/plan.

  13. None

    We have an alt right movement? Who are these people? And why shouldn’t they be allowed to join different parties and influence them from within question mark why is it only allowed for the Gaystapo?

  14. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2838308, posted on October 13, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    I’m guessing nag, doctor BG. In fact the whole conservative website is quite a page and just kind of smells of these chunky Pentecostal type money laundering outfits. It’s quite off putting. Before they will even tell you who they are or what they stand for they ask you for money.

    I’ve talked to Cory and liked him, and was good for several hundred bucks, but not under the terms he wanted. The feeling I got was that the website is really amateurish and in the hands of simpletons. This doesn’t inspire confidence.

  15. Death Giraffe

    Walked around the centre of Christchurch today.
    Nearly eight years after the earthquake the place is still a non- functional mess.
    I cannot recognise the city of my youth. The cathedral and Cathedral Square are as they were after being hit by a 6.3 quake.
    You can see the damage done to the cathedral here.
    But worse is the state of the people.
    I never saw beggers and homeless bums growing up. So many poor and loser looking types now.
    People with means have moved out and the no hopers remained, plus the arrival of the opportunists.
    The “dairies” and other small busineses are run by those looking to satify visa requirements.
    All of whom are already very wealthy, and no real interest in running such small business.
    Another policy causing distortion. Price to buy these operations goes artificially up, less employment for locals and your corner shop is run by someone who doesn’t give a shit.
    Other than that, big chain stores and globsl brands.
    Place as I knew it is gone forever.
    Oh yeah. Tonnes of new bikepaths and bus lanes everywhere.
    Arseholes.

  16. vlad

    Voting above the line was invented by the alp to make it easier for stupid people to vote labor.

    People who vote above the line have no idea what they’re voting for or where their preferences end up – there is no information supplied at the ballot station.

    I vote below the line. It was worth it a few years ago for the sheer pleasure of marking Stephen “red underpants” Conroy last.

  17. Ellen of Tasmania

    “When will people grasp the difference between what the Tory party says it is, and what it actually is? It is not as if it tries hard to hide it. Here is a clue. It is not conservative at all.

    It is a machine for obtaining power. It would cheerfully guillotine the Queen in Trafalgar Square, if it thought that by doing so it could keep or gain office. That is why it has spent the past 20 years becoming more Blairite than New Labour.

    It helps to pay attention. Last week’s single most far-reaching act by the May government was to strike the final death-blow at the institution of marriage. …

    It is the fulfilment of a prophesy made by the contraceptive fanatic and ultra-liberal moral reformer Helen Brook who proclaimed in 1980 ‘From birth till death it is now the privilege of the parental State to take major decisions – objective, unemotional, the State weighs up what is best for the child.

    If the Tory Party believed in anything, it would never have accepted this revolutionary change, or many of the other ghastly, left-wing things it does to try to keep its ratings up. But it believes in nothing. And that is why it could so very easily lose the next election to a Labour Party which does believe in something.”

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

  18. Boambee John

    egg_
    #2838314, posted on October 13, 2018 at 8:05 pm
    The ABC has uncovered a covert plot by Australia’s alt-right movement to join major political parties and influence their policy agendas from within.

    Has Their ABC yet noticed the (very) overt plot by Australia’s fascist left movement to join major nominally non-left political parties and influence their policy agendas from within?

    Didn’t think so.

  19. Tel

    The feeling I got was that the website is really amateurish and in the hands of simpletons. This doesn’t inspire confidence.

    He’s got some template from the American campaign websites and yeah I agree they don’t know anything about subtlety over in the USA… just pop up all over the place and ask for your email and ask for a donation.

    I listen to the AC podcast and so often Cory says, “Well you would know our policy if you read our website” but I wonder if the reason people don’t read his website is that it’s a bit too in your face for the Australian audience.

  20. DrBeauGan

    We have an alt right movement? Who are these people? And why shouldn’t they be allowed to join different parties and influence them from within question mark why is it only allowed for the Gaystapo?

    The reason they disapprove of infiltration by righties is because they know it works when done by lefties.

  21. Gab

    So, voting Labor then, Gab?

    Your mind reading skills need some more work.

  22. C.L.

    Anyone seen this “polished man” crapola?

    Radio ads for it have been running incessantly over the past several weeks, voiced by luvvie tosspot Gyton Grantley (who also did the Bundy Rum ad with the Mardi Gras nod).
    Wear nail polish and “help stop violence against children,” he says.
    Here’s an easier idea: shut down the nation’s abortion mills.
    If you don’t support that, you’re an immoral monster and a beta male loser who endorses violence against children. No mount of nail polish will cover up that fact.

  23. .

    Shorten’s “magic pudding” economics won’t work: Bernardi

    I don’t normally claim people read the Cat, but it’s cool when they steal one of your go-to catchphrases.

  24. C.L.

    TL;DR did a video on it and basically, it is total garbage.

    Link, Dot?

  25. DrBeauGan

    He’s got some template from the American campaign websites and yeah I agree they don’t know anything about subtlety over in the USA… just pop up all over the place and ask for your email and ask for a donation.

    It’s not just my email address he wanted, Tel. He wanted my phone number, Street address and postcode too. So lefties could hack it and come around and throw rocks through my windows.

  26. I am bespoke

    Fraser died in March 2015

    Did he!

  27. .

    Here you go C.L.,

    He also has a second video on the topic I have not watched.

  28. Your mind reading skills need some more work.

    Well, I can’t see you voting informal, and ultimately those are your only three options under the current rigged compulsory preferential voting system –
    Liberal, Labor, or informal.
    And you ruled out Liberal.

  29. .

    Dr BG

    I think you can write a cheque under the threshold (13,500 AUD IIRC) to the ACP each year and no one has to know.

  30. Death Giraffe

    New Zealand and Australia should never havd been seperate countries.
    There was no justification for it other than the elites at the time wanted their own feifdoms.
    The wealth locked away in these countries by green arseholes who damn well know they are just warehousing it to stop a real nation developing down here as rivals to their comrades is a crime.
    The dirty criminals.

  31. DrBeauGan

    .
    #2838332, posted on October 13, 2018 at 8:28 pm
    Dr BG

    I think you can write a cheque under the threshold (13,500 AUD IIRC) to the ACP each year and no one has to know.

    What’s a cheque? I use PayPal. Or I would if Cory was going to let me. He won’t. So he gets zilch. It comforts me to know I won’t be wasting any money on incompetents.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    New Zealand and Australia should never havd been seperate countries.
    There was no justification for it other than the elites at the time wanted their own feifdoms.

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/nz-says-no-aussie-federation

    “New Zealanders thought themselves of superior stock to Australians….”

  33. .

    You could even use a money order. No chequebook required. How very quaint!

  34. Myrddin Seren

    MV:

    The Wentworth by-election has already been won.
    The security agency of a certain foreign entity came first.

    And second.

    El Dotto:

    WTF?

    Someone explain this nonsense in my absence. Sounds like ALP conspiracy stuff about Gough.

    MV told me earlier to look at their respective Wikis. Which baffled me at first.

    Only link I can ‘Criminal Minds’ profiler together is:

    Dave Sharma was Ambassador to Israel.

    Kerryn Phelps converted to [email protected] after she hooked up with Jackie.

    I hope we are not going down the Birdism path here.

  35. egg_

    those new style Christian churches with their rock bands attract pseudo Christian virtue signallers.

    +1

    Fruitcakes

  36. .

    “New Zealanders thought themselves of superior stock to Australians….”

    I think we should reject any request to join the Federation at any cost. Just fuck off you grubs.

    You can have the All Blacks and your Pitcairn Island weirdos. Go away.

  37. DrBeauGan

    New Zealanders thought themselves of superior stock to Australians….”

    Their recent election suggests otherwise.

  38. egg_

    Hasn’t Sco Mo sucked in the brain dead skynews team?

    Sucked them in because he said prayers in a church and then walked outside and literally supported child sexual abuse in schools by sick fuck Marxists.

    Even KRuddy had more backbone.

  39. egg_

    New Zealanders thought themselves of superior stock to Australians….”

    Have they tried looking their PM in the mouth?

  40. DrBeauGan

    .
    #2838337, posted on October 13, 2018 at 8:41 pm
    You could even use a money order. No chequebook required. How very quaint!

    Sure. And I could run all the way to Canberra carrying the cash in a cleft stick.

    But I ain’t going to.

  41. egg_

    Oz needs NZ like a third testicle.

  42. .

    If you’re pissed about this Dr BG, think about me and CoinJar.

    The government are trying to regulate them out of existence.

    I bet, I ferkin bet, that once the comp. is killed off, Australian banks are not only going to dabble in cryptos, they’re going to update their apps to allow payments and trading/exchange in cryptos.

    Before this, we had the “we don’t want nuffin’ to do with da evil BTC”.

    Ahem…

    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/refusal-to-supply-products-or-services

    Do Australian banks have market power? It’s a slam dunk.

    I’m not for the idea of anti-trust laws and such. The thing is…

    If CoinJar could call itself a bank, it would have no problems.

    Banks are a special and entitled class of businesses.

  43. vlad

    “I think that they’re telling us what we can do with our bodies and I don’t think they have any right to do that,” Reason Party candidate Jill Mellon-Robertson also said.

    Replacing abortion of a viable foetus (aka a baby) with caesarean delivery followed by the prems ward followed by adoption doesn’t tell anyone what they can do with their body.

  44. egg_

    Can’t wait to see the ABC’s new drama Pine Gap. Let’s see: lead character is a feisty spunky middle class white chick? Check. Male characters are secondary satellites? Check. White chick has a romance with a black dude? Check.

    Her gap’s pining for some black sausage?

  45. Tel

    If CoinJar could call itself a bank, it would have no problems.

    Banks are a special and entitled class of businesses.

    They are a formal government backed cartel, hence the Banking Act.

    That said, the official position of most central banks is that cryptos are assets and not currency, which means you are merely transferring assets and not making payments, therefore no GST, no income tax, etc. Hey, they wanted it that way. Don’t take tax advice from me, or at least don’t blame me if the rules make no sense.

  46. I hope we are not going down the Birdism path here.

    Myrrdin, go back and read my relevant posts and the Wiki pages carefully.
    I wasn’t referring to a religion.
    I was referring to a certain “foreign security agency”, as I have already put it.
    A very good one. Perhaps the best in the world.

  47. DrBeauGan

    #2838346, posted on October 13, 2018 at 8:52 pm
    If you’re pissed about this Dr BG, think about me and CoinJar.

    The government are trying to regulate them out of existence.

    I’m innured to human stupidity and corruption, dot. Try to monetise it. It’s an infinite resource.

  48. Roger

    “I think that they’re telling us what we can do with our bodies and I don’t think they have any right to do that,” Reason Party candidate Jill Mellon-Robertson also said.

    Not much reasoning going on inside her head, despite her claim to “think”. Captured by feminist dogma.

  49. Myrddin Seren

    MV

    Myrrdin, go back and read my relevant posts and the Wiki pages carefully.

    I have checked Kerryn Phelps Wiki again and I am too dumb.

    If the ‘best of the best’ is Mossad, the clue in her page escapes me ?

    If there is a better spook agency – you have got me even more so.

    Soz.

  50. Oh come on

    MV, could you please change the record? It’s really stale. I wouldn’t presume to be reading Gab’s mind but I strongly suspect she isn’t going to vote for your Nunov, okay?

  51. Oh come on

    IIRC, Nunov Themm was supposed to be rolled out as a national candidate. What happened to candidate Themm, MV?

  52. Oh come on

    Can’t wait to see the ABC’s new drama Pine Gap. Let’s see: lead character is a feisty spunky middle class white chick? Check. Male characters are secondary satellites? Check. White chick has a romance with a black dude? Check.

    The magic negro with an Aussie twist! I bet the black character is a moral, crusading US senior officer in conflict with a nefarious white American commander who probably also has a southern twang to his accent.

  53. “I think that they’re telling us what we can do with our bodies and I don’t think they have any right to do that,” Reason Party candidate Jill Mellon-Robertson also said.

    Notice how she completely ignores that an abortion destroys the child in utero and does nothing to the mother’s body. This dishonesty is breathtaking.

  54. Shelley

    Walked around the centre of Christchurch today.
    Nearly eight years after the earthquake the place is still a non- functional mess.

    Arky, is the city retail and shopping precinct still made up of shipping containers turned into businesses (e.g. banks), chain stores and coffee shops? I got the impression the locals were very proud that some three years after the event they had re-built the business and retail precinct from these containers, and got the feeling that they were more than just temporary.

    I was there in 2014 and couldn’t believe the slow progress to rebuild and even more gobsmacked by your report today.

  55. Steve trickler

    This speech is fitting for Western Europe and the West, today</strong.



  56. Steve trickler

    Oops. Wrong clip.

    The REAL speech. In full.



  57. Death Giraffe

    Arky, is the city retail and shopping precinct still made up of shipping containers turned into businesses

    ..
    Containers mostly gone I think.
    Still a tonne of vacant sites and buildings covered in scaffolding. Others waiting for demolition.
    I think our western societies have now been hollowed out so far that they aren’t capable of rebuilding what our ancestors built.
    De- industrialised, universities full of cultural Marxists, corrupt political class.
    I really think we are over.
    And I don’t think an Aussie capital city would fare any different either.
    We are just waiting for the chinese to claim their birthright.
    It’s over, man.

  58. Tel

    Arky never drink gin on a Saturday night.

    It always ends in tears.

  59. Death Giraffe

    I’m stone cold sober.
    I will say it again. It is the state of the people here that is really shocking.
    This was a prosperous modern little city of well dressed and decent people I left 30 years ago.
    Now it looks third world.

  60. Oh come on

    Still a tonne of vacant sites and buildings covered in scaffolding. Others waiting for demolition.

    Apparently London was like this as a result of the Blitz, and it stayed that way until Thatcher.

  61. I think our western societies have now been hollowed out so far that they aren’t capable of rebuilding what our ancestors built.

    You got that right, Arkie.
    Or semi-building new buildings for under a squillion dollars.
    As a society, we’re stuffed. As are most Western “democratic” societies.

    I reckon the next century belongs to the Chinese.
    But I’m just guessing.

  62. Oh come on

    Minus the scaffolding. That shit’s expensive! Someone is making a lot of money with that in place indefinitely.

  63. Tintarella di Luna

    Arky never drink gin on a Saturday night.

    It always ends in tears.

    Great advice Tel, I had two too many Black Sambuccas last Saturday night – to great nauseous regret on Sunday morning – dear Lord I hadn’t been so ill since February, 1990 the last time I’d had too much to drink. Stone cold sober tonight that’s for sure.

  64. Geriatric Mayfly

    Still a tonne of vacant sites and buildings covered in scaffolding. Others waiting for demolition.
    Apparently London was like this as a result of the Blitz, and it stayed that way until Thatcher.

    I worked in the East End in the late sixties. Still lots of vacant blocks overgrown with vegetation with viable buildings either side. Sites of a direct hit from the Luftwaffe.

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    I vote below the line. It was worth it a few years ago for the sheer pleasure of marking Stephen “red underpants” Conroy last.

    Voting below the line on the Senate tablecloth is a great way to spend 10 minutes every few years. Last election I was rather chuffed to put the Liberal No 1 Senate candidate last.

  66. hzhousewife

    I worked in the East End in the late sixties. Still lots of vacant blocks overgrown with vegetation with viable buildings either side. Sites of a direct hit from the Luftwaffe

    I worked in Southhampton UK in 1975 – ditto.
    I’ve just had 84 Charing Cross Road on the telly while I attend to other tasks, but noticed the scene where the lounge room full of friends stood for the National Anthem. I actually remember doing this at some time in my childhood – I’m thinking it could have been at Christmas for the Queens Speech on the radio, because we had no telly till about 1966. I must be getting old!

  67. John Constantine

    Today New Zealand is rewilded and acculturated to the dominant Stalinist totalitarian memes.

    Wait until the hydro dams are blown up to rewild the rivers.

    Australia is already gone beyond being able to fund new infrastructure and logistics to cope with Big Australia. We now openly plan to fill the gap not by building new stuff, but by demand destruction, deindustrialisation, rewilding and borrowing from the chicoms.

    “They have so little, but they are so happy” is the line you hear from activist Australian wymynsys that have flown overseas to experience squalid, dirt floor, herbal remedy, communal cooking pot cultures.

    No point stockpiling for the doomsday prepper dystopia, the State will have wymynsys travelling in packs, with clipboards and paramilitary death squads, to enforce dekulakisation and make sure nobody has more than their allocated ration.

    And is smiling spontaneously at every approved occasion.

    Comrades.

    [ bet the Snowy river in Australia is fully rewilded before any major kiwi river is, and that meat is banned here first.]

  68. because we had no telly till about 1966. I must be getting old!

    Sandgroper?

  69. Death Giraffe

    It is understandable that the poms took a long time to rebuild.
    The blitz did a mega shitload of damage, killed tens of thousands and they had just finished fighting a world war and begun losing an Empire.
    But this joint in NZ was insured, and in peacetime.

  70. hzhousewife

    Sandgroper?

    no, rural Vic.

  71. Death Giraffe

    It looks to me like a combination of dodgy construction consortiums, government incompetence and foot dragging insurance companies has conspired to fuck these people.

  72. hzhousewife

    Sandgroper?

    no, rural Vic.

    Then again, Mum was a Pom who nursed in London during the Blitz. That may explain our family’s behaviour in this instance.

  73. [ bet the Snowy river in Australia is fully rewilded before any major kiwi river is, and that meat is banned here first.]

    Depends on what you define as “meat” John. Coles and Woolies stores, and the larger IGA supermarkets, already have a stack of vegetarian “cuts” in their “meat” refrigerated display areas.
    I’m pretty sure those “meat” varieties will not only survive, but be expanded.

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    but noticed the scene where the lounge room full of friends stood for the National Anthem. I actually remember doing this at some time in my childhood – I’m thinking it could have been at Christmas for the Queens Speech on the radio, because we had no telly till about 1966. I must be getting old!

    I’m remembering a would be activist, getting thrown out of a picture theater in 1971, for refusing to stand for the National Anthem.

  75. Oh come on

    Depends on what you define as “meat” John. Coles and Woolies stores, and the larger IGA supermarkets, already have a stack of vegetarian “cuts” in their “meat” refrigerated display areas.

    I have noticed this too, MV. I’ve also noticed these items regularly being heavily discounted prior to reaching their sell-by. It’s pretty funny, really. The market cuts through all the bullshit.

  76. .

    [ bet the Snowy river in Australia is fully rewilded before any major kiwi river is, and that meat is banned here first.]

    Since it is relevant again:

    Pathetic millennial trolls vegans in their “pig vigil”

    Barbecuing Hot Dogs at an Animal Rights Protest

    Pathetic Millennial
    Published on Sep 11, 2018
    I tried to have a nice barbecue and a bunch of people showed up to protest it…-.-

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is understandable that the poms took a long time to rebuild.
    The blitz did a mega shitload of damage, killed tens of thousands and they had just finished fighting a world war and begun losing an Empire.

    It’s also worth noting that the British received twice as much Marshall Aid Plan aid as the French or Germans. France and Germany spent the dollars on rebuilding industry, Britain spent the dollars in setting up the National Health System, and implementing the “cradle to the grave” welfare system.

  78. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I reckon the next century belongs to the Chinese.

    china’s demographics are so bad that its society may well collapse within a couple of decades.

  79. Oh come on

    As a society, we’re stuffed. As are most Western “democratic” societies.

    I reckon the next century belongs to the Chinese.

    Interesting. MV voting for totalitarianism. You do realise you only get one vote, MV?

  80. None

    “They have so little, but they are so happy” is the line you hear from activist Australian wymynsys that have flown overseas to experience squalid, dirt floor, herbal remedy, communal cooking pot cultures.

    And then they return to their government subsidised aircon inner city hipster units which are plastic free except for the wrap around the vegan cheese in the fridge … oh wait the fridge…

  81. Oh come on

    Shut up, Zippy. You’re a moron. If you want to play the ‘demographics are destiny’ game, you have failed to contend with the tens of millions of military-age Chinese males who will never have (female) partners, assuming the Chinese don’t flip the board.

  82. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Have another drink OCO

  83. None

    It’s interesting to compare Christchurch with Japan where that humongous earthquake and tsunami hit full stop the Japanese rebuilt an entire province despite losing tens of thousands of people. The Kiwis who also live in shaky Isles can’t clean up a city after 7 years.

  84. None

    At least 50 million in one province alone oh come on At least that’s the figure I remember from an article I wrote many years ago about the emerging Chinese population problem.

  85. mh

    Don Lemon Explodes: Kanye West Put On A “Minstrel Show” For Trump, His Mother Is Rolling In Her Grave

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/don_lemon_explodes_kanye_west_put_on_a_minstrel_show_for_trump_needs_a_father_figure.html

    I’ve seen Don the Lemon interviewing Philip Mudd on race relations. I’m a proud Shitholer? Yeah, nothing odd happening on the Lemon’s show.

    🍋

  86. .

    I feel sorry for these uni kids.

    They’re being brainwashed. They’re learning jackshit.

    Are they learning anything useful?

    If they are learning this in class, they are literally wasting their lives.

    The poor lesbian kid. Plenty of other people have lived gay, happy lives openly without engaging in this absurd pronoun nonsense and worrying about the tiny proportion of people who are intersex (who might actually say they’re male or female anyway).

  87. china’s demographics are so bad that its society may well collapse within a couple of decades.

    That’s entirely possible, Zippy. As I said in that post, I was just guessing. However, I now have four Chinese sisters-in-law, and subsequently about half a million Chinese in-laws. Back when we lived on Bribie Island we had many of these rellies come and visit and stay for holidays. They all loved Australia, or at least that that part of it.

    However, none of them had any inclination to relocate here. Too many opportunities back home, and too much bureaucratic red tape and regulation here. Would you believe it?

    By the same token they all readily admitted the situation was in a constant state of flux back home in China, and their plans might have to change at short notice in the future. Mrs MV has been up there several times and agrees. Most of our Chinese in-laws own homes here, “just in case”.

  88. Oh come on

    Have another drink OCO

    Visit another white power website, Zippy.

  89. Top Ender

    My old dad – still on the planet – was living in London in WWII.

    He was the youngest, and his job on a Sunday was to get woken up and get kicked downstairs to make tea and get the papers in. All had to be taken up to the parents and older brothers.

    One Sunday he was doing this, and took the tray of cups upstairs with the papers when a V1 rocket hit the bottom storey of the house, causing lotsa destruction and the top storey to fall down into the wreckage of the ground floor.

    Remarkably no-one died in the attack.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for Top Ender. I’m re – reading Peter Cabban’s book on the H.M.A.S. Voyager collision. Seems that, in 1967, two officers visited Concord Repatriation Hospital, and removed the medical records of one Duncan Stevens……Cabban notes that “What telling exhibits they would have been at the second Royal Commission.”

  91. .

    There are at least 5 million or so prostitutes in China (estimates are from 1 – 10 million).

    The idea China’s going to blow up in a civil war over the gender imbalance in their demographics seems fanciful.

  92. Death Giraffe

    Well that was fun.
    Hotel.
    1:30am.
    Fire alarm. Just spent half an hour in the car park with fifty strangers in their PJs.

  93. Top Ender

    You surprise me Zulu – well I never!

    In the old days you were given your medical record in a big envelope to take to your next posting.

    “Not to be opened by anyone except medical staff.”

    The number of blokes who opened their records and disposed of anything not favourable to their position…

  94. Death Giraffe

    Amazing how many people will run out of a hotel which is nominally on fire and leave all their possessions in there.
    My offspring enjoyed seeing the fire truck though.

  95. max

    At the anti-abortion march in Melbourne this afternoon a 15 year old girl spoke. She was the product of a rape, never knew her father, but spoke incredibly powerfully and movingly, telling us all ‘my life is worth living’.

  96. None

    Where the hell are you DG?
    I suspect it’s much more fun then the inside of Lizzies hotel rooms.

  97. Death Giraffe

    Cocoa and back to sleep.
    Night all.

  98. The idea China’s going to blow up in a civil war over the gender imbalance in their demographics seems fanciful.

    It won’t be the gender imbalance, Dot. There are plenty of Asian women – and others – in neighbouring countries – for that to happen. Either the population at large will grow impatient at the rate of political reform, or (and less likely) the ruling regime will attempt to stop the transition to something like western democracy. Either way if it happens at all it will not be pretty, or peaceful.

  99. None

    Gay Lib branch president ( who ince tried to pass off an online sexual predator as a good Lib – I passed on that info both to the Liberal party and to the media) is endorsing Mr Sharma on Twitter with Mr Kenny’s loving approval. That’s actually a Bad Sign. I’m actually hoping Phelps will win Wentworth because lesbian – gay stoushes are just the best and lezzos should be the real queens of Sydney.

  100. Death Giraffe

    Arky [bunging on the broadest Aussie nasal twang he can muster]: “OK which one of you sheep shaggers set your room on fire”?
    Kiwi hotel guests: Sullen silence.
    Tough crowd.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You surprise me Zulu – well I never!

    O/T – one time brother in law was nearly thirty years in pussers. He confessed that he got seasick every time he went to sea, and it wasn’t an unusual predicament.

  102. None

    She’s not the “product of rape” Max. She’s the loved child of a brave mother. While conception from rape is rare, many if not most women chose to keep the baby if given the chance – instead of having a morning after pill shoved at them while there’s still in shock – and find the child’s unconditional love and their own maternal love becomes redemptive and part of their healing. Some of course choose to give up the child but that’s ok too because I don’t have to live with the trauma of an abortion. You don’t give a woman who’s been raped justice by turning her into a murderer and you don’t kill an innocent child for the sins of their father.

  103. Mother Lode

    I suppose there are improbable incidents which are almost certain to happen as the sample size sadly grows, Top Ender.

    There was a story about a guy in a bath tub in a hotel in Tokyo during the Great Kanto Earthquake in 1923 finding himself in front of the ruined building afterward still in the bathtub unharmed.

    Seems unlikely, but given the scale of the disaster and how many people else died in buildings – and the fact that something being 1,000,000 to 1 does not mean that it will not happen until the millionth time – you can be stuck confronting what will be called ‘miraculous’.

  104. Top Ender

    Worked with a bloke in Navy who every time he went to sea was seasick.

    Not just in rolling flat swells but anything really.

    Was very determined to be a “seaman officer” so even took a bucket on watch to throw up into to.

    Eventually the medics got to him and said he couldn’t do it any more as dehydrated so much etc that he was a threat to himself if not the entire ship.

    He was a bit of a god-botherer so reclassified as a padre.

    Dunno what happened to him but he was a good bloke.

  105. None

    My understanding is that it’s illegal for foreign non resodents to own residential property in Australia in MV.

  106. Nob

    Once I was courting a salty tongued kiwi lass who worked at a hotel I stayed in for work.

    She’d never stay with me in my hotel room in case the alarm went off and she had to do the walk of shame in front of the other staff.

    We always went back to her place.

  107. Oh come on

    Arky [bunging on the broadest Aussie nasal twang he can muster]: “OK which one of you sheep shaggers set your room on fire”?

    Thet’s shut.

  108. My understanding is that it’s illegal for foreign non resodents to own residential property in Australia in MV

    They don’t, None.

  109. None

    LOL. You should have guessed that you had no chance of courting her Nob, if she classified you as Walk of Shame material.

  110. None

    Most of our Chinese in-laws own homes here, “just in case”.

    Your words, MV.

  111. Nob

    rolling flat swells

    Spewed my guts up a few times on flat-bottomed supply boats going out to rigs off West Africa.
    Sea looked flat as a swimming pool but it’s that queasy motion.
    Rather be on a floating rig in a force 9.

  112. Nob

    None
    #2838419, posted on October 14, 2018 at 12:20 am
    LOL. You should have guessed that you had no chance of courting her Nob, if she classified you as Walk of Shame material

    Small town, she had to maintain her respectability.

    Then again, when I queried non-charges on my bill for drinks, she said, “Well that’s one advantage of rooting the receptionist.”

    Should’ve married her, but I didn’t want to stay there and she didn’t want to leave.

  113. .

    Either the population at large will grow impatient at the rate of political reform, or (and less likely) the ruling regime will attempt to stop the transition to something like western democracy. Either way if it happens at all it will not be pretty, or peaceful.

    There is no guarantee the regime will be toppled either.

    The English had a French-speaking King for over 300 years.

  114. Your words, MV.

    Yes, None.
    “Owned” to an Australian means whover’s name appears on the government documents, like titles.
    It means something entirely different to Chines people. I suspect many of these properties are legally in the name of my much-loved first Chinese sister in law, who has been an Australian citizen for going on twenty years.

    Despite what it might say on a piecce of government issued paper, she would no more consider she “owned” those properties, any more than she would argue she “owned” the Sydney Opera House.

  115. None

    Oh that now sounds a little sad, Nob. So sorry to hear it. But it also sounds like it was the right decision not to, given neither of you were willing to give up anything for the other. Or worse: whoever did the moving would have ended up resentful.

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The English had a French-speaking King for over 300 years.

    He must have been incredibly ancient when he died…Do you have a reference?

  117. None

    So you’re much loved sister-in-law is probably running some sort of scam where she’s also writing off rental expenses which she in fact doesn’t incur herself yada yada. I don’t think you should say much more MV.

  118. There is no guarantee the regime will be toppled either.

    As I said in my original post, Dot, I’m just guessing.
    I have no real idea what is going to happen there.

  119. So you’re much loved sister-in-law is probably running some sort of scam where she’s also writing off rental expenses which she in fact doesn’t incur herself yada yada. I don’t think you should say much more MV.

    Yeah, whatever you say, None. Personally I wouldn’t know.
    I don’t make a habit of prying into my relative’s personal financial affairs.
    Perhaps you could give me some tips, since you seem well-versed in the practice.

    On second thoughts, don’t bother. I’m not really interested.
    They are a lovely couple, and I’m happy to leave it at that.
    But just for the record, they collectively pay more in income tax than you probably earn.

  120. Steve trickler

    You get to see this vision, because it’s a training flight. The third guy the holding the camera would not normally be there.

    The focus is on the cockpit and procedures, and not the view out the window. A great ride and visuals from the pointy end.



  121. None

    Paying heaps of income tax doesn’t put you above the law MV and it is you who offered all that information. I also don’t kow tow to anyone, least of all because they happen to earn more (or less) than me. I suggest you drop this pretty pronto.

  122. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    One of the ouens christened his daughter in honour of that song. I was godfather to the young lady, and I took my duties quite seriously….

  123. Snoopy

    After a week busy performing a stocktake of the ABC’s Washington Bureau’s stationery cupboard, Zoe Daniel is smokin’.

    So, will the whole horrible saga affect the midterm elections, because it’s all about politics, right? A poll conducted by NPR/PBS Newshour found 45 per cent believe Dr Christine Blasey-Ford, who alleged that Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the 1980s, compared to 33 per cent who believe him.

    When was this poll published I hear you ask?

    October 3. One billion dollars a year.

  124. I suggest you drop this pretty pronto.

    I’m not the one who has been insistent in continuing the non-argument, None.
    However, it is time for one of us to end this farce, and it obviously isn’t going to be you.
    I come here to openly debate issues, not spend my time rubbishing and denigrating people.
    You obviously do.

    So congratulations, None.
    You just joined the Fatuous Four on my scroll-by list.
    This is my last comment or reply to you.
    Goodbye and good luck, None.

  125. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2838439, posted on October 14, 2018 at 1:16 am

    I come here to openly debate issues, not spend my time rubbishing and denigrating people.
    You obviously do.
    This is my last comment or reply to you.
    Goodbye and good luck, None.

    Glad I’m not singled out by her, then.
    She does have an argumentative nasty streak to her.
    Even if she has no base to argue.

  126. Thanks, Zulu.
    A beautiful song and a timeless message from one of Australia’s best artists.

  127. None

    Oh my god Mark A are you drunk? MV made a statement. I questioned it. He offered all sorts of information about his family business activoties which just read dodgy to me. I didn’t argue with him I just pointed out what the information he was giving inferred and suggested he give up the topic (for his own good may I add). It was him that then came back with all this oh my god they earn more than you s*** as if that was supposed to mean something.

  128. She does have an argumentative nasty streak to her.

    “She’s” a “her”?
    I honestly didn’t know, Mark.
    Not that it would have made any difference.

  129. DrBeauGan

    Zulu, what on earth is an ouen?

  130. None

    If MV wants to debate issues he can debate white collar fraud which cost taxpayers billions.

  131. Dot;

    Anyone see how Trump appointed three conservative Federalist society members as new justices of the US appeals court’s “nutty 9th” circuit.

    Yes, I saw that a couple of days ago. Also noted was the fact that the Democrats had to let it through so they could go home and campaign.
    Had a little chuckle to myself.

  132. None

    “She’s” a “her”?
    I honestly didn’t know, Mark.
    Not that it would have made any difference.

    In memoryvault’s eyes, Australian law doesn’t make any difference either. Read his words on this thread.

  133. None

    Zulu, what on earth is an ouen?

    A man. Or it could be a little town on the west Victorian border if you can’t spell, like me.

  134. Steve trickler

    Inspired from the thunder and lightning in Perth.



  135. None

    Remember memoryvault after informing us that most of your Chinese in-laws own houses here “just in case” and me asking whether foreign ownership of residential property was legal, you came back with this gem:

    Yes, None.
    “Owned” to an Australian means whover’s name appears on the government documents, like titles.
    It means something entirely different to Chines people. I suspect many of these properties are legally in the name of my much-loved first Chinese sister in law, who has been an Australian citizen for going on twenty years.

    Despite what it might say on a piecce of government issued paper, she would no more consider she “owned” those properties, any more than she would argue she “owned” the Sydney Opera House.

    So you suspect that your in-laws are using your much loved sister in law as a front to circumvent Australian law. Maybe I should ask you whether you’re much loved wife is just using you as a front for residence as well. It wouldn’t be the first time that would have happened. And the future you say is Chinese? Mmmkay. Have a nice life, MV.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hey, let’s leave spousal affections out of contention here re Mrs MV; that’s not Queensbury Rules, rather bad form, etc. I’ll change the topic.

    I was sad indeed to read that None thought twenty-seven pics of elite university rowing was pretty unexciting bedroom fare compared to Arky’s shared dressing gown flight from non-existant flames. Must say that has hapened to us too, on one occasion twelve stories up. I dutifully trudged down but Hairy had to be coaxed with a whiskey flask. As for today’s exciting hotel room episode, Hairy complained about the noise the hotel emailed we would suffer and they have moved us to another wing. The wifi doesn’t work though, so he told them even though he can hotspot off my pgmhone. Dey had to know, he insisted They must really love him by now. They had already fallen over themselves in obsequiousness in case he gave them a bad rap on Tripadvisor. Weddings are a big business for them as this is a classic old hotel and grounds, so they don’t want him saying weddings ruin things for other guests.

    You should be nicer, I said disapprovingly, even though I make allowances because he had had a bad driving day with endless British road closures. We never did get to see the Cheshire Gorge. Cheer up, I say, and give him a hug and one of my specially made cups of restorative tea. Afterwards, activity in this large nice room with a chandelier and a deep bath plus a huge bed becomes more interesting than I dare tell you about here. There isn’t a single picture on the walls to act as a distraction. Only two large framed mirrors. 😀

  137. DrBeauGan

    I have worked out that zulu was writing in ethnic. Stimpy will be wrathful.

  138. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom. WIP is always a great way to keep Sunday morning.

  139. Snoopy

    Two hours without a post. Arma could have killed the pig last night.

  140. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2838458, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:20 am

    Two hours without a post. Arma could have killed the pig last night.

    You really think so?

  141. But just for the record, they collectively pay more in income tax than you probably earn.

    That couple badly need to get a new accountant.

  142. Snoopy

    That’s not nice, Mark A.

  143. Snoopy

    So very ABC.

    Almost exactly two years later, I ride my Vespa to visit Hannah in a leafy part of Sydney’s inner west

  144. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2838462, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:49 am

    That’s not nice, Mark A.

    Oh, I’d let him go to 99 no worries.

    You think this will catch on?

  145. Mark A

    Snoopy,
    There is no glory if you have it achieved something too easy or by default.

    What is an Olympic medal worth if…

  146. Snoopy

    You think this will catch on?

    Mmm. I think it would depend upon the manner of death.

  147. Snoopy

    So very ABC.

    Brett Kavanaugh’s appointment may have undermined the US Supreme Court for years to come

    Wait until RBG karks it. Then you’ll really have something to be outraged about.

  148. classical_hero

    The Snoopy one was good. He had to choose if his dog house was either a house, bed or a plane.

  149. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2838469, posted on October 14, 2018 at 6:11 am

    So very ABC.

    Brett Kavanaugh’s appointment may have undermined the US Supreme Court for years to come

    Wait until RBG karks it. Then you’ll really have something to be outraged about.

    Much as I despise politicians, it’s their job to enact laws, and the judiciary to check if it’s constitutional.
    Not the other way round and fit/interpret the constitution to make the illegal laws legal.

  150. Snoopy

    TheirABC.

    So does Australia have a neo-Marxist problem?
    In short, yes. Look not on the streets but online. Marxism is thriving in the meme-rich world of the internet.

  151. 2dogs

    .
    #2838395, posted on October 13, 2018 at 11:37 pm

    One wonders if these people are actually understand the meaning of their words.

    Take Crowder’s bobcat example in this video. If he identified as bobcat, and one day he was walking through the woods and someone shot him, should his murderer be let off because his killer had a license to hunt bobcats?

    How can one answer “no”, if one has accepted that he is a bobcat?

  152. DrBeauGan

    One wonders if these people are actually understand the meaning of their words.

    No, they don’t. It’s magical thinking; they believe that changing what you call things changes the things. Small children often believe this before they understand how language works, but most of them outgrow it. Not, alas, all.

  153. Death Giraffe

    they believe that changing what you call things changes the things.

    ..
    No.
    They believe, correctly, that changing what you call things persuades some people that good is bad, and the bad is good.

  154. Mark A

    Death Giraffe
    #2838476, posted on October 14, 2018 at 7:00 am

    they believe that changing what you call things changes the things.

    ..
    No.
    They believe, correctly, that changing what you call things persuades some people that good is bad, and the bad is good.

    I think you got it.
    Just look at the word “gay” lost all original meaning and sounds benign, hiding a reprehensible practice.

  155. DrBeauGan

    No.
    They believe, correctly, that changing what you call things persuades some people that good is bad, and the bad is good.

    That only works on other magical thinkers. People too dumb to look beyond associations and recognise meanings.

    I admit there’s a lot of it about.

  156. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2838478, posted on October 14, 2018 at 7:17 am

    No.
    That only works on other magical thinkers. People too dumb to look beyond associations and recognise meanings.

    I admit there’s a lot of it about.

    I think you are too kind.

  157. DrBeauGan

    If you call a dog’s tail a leg, how many ldgs does a dog have?
    Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one.

    If you call a relationship between two blokes a marriage, are they married?
    No, because that isn’t what the word means.

    It’s pretty simple for people who can think. Unfortunately there are a lot of bald chimpanzees around who can’t.

  158. Herodotus

    There are so many signs that the world has gone crazy, it’s hard to pick a winner or see an end to the list.
    The climate scam, Europe committing slow suicide, UK refusing to lower the lifeboat, national broadcasters like the BBC and ABC more inclined to fight heteronormativeness than support national interests, the left in general still not realising that there’s no future in socialism, our government trying to appeal to everyone by staying in Paris agreement while the energy system disintegrates, and last but not least the Victorian government engaging in research to put a price on the unpaid housework that women do.
    Feel free to add further examples. As I say, it’s a list with unlimited potential.

  159. Boambee John

    Snoopy
    #2838469, posted on October 14, 2018 at 6:11 am
    So very ABC.

    Brett Kavanaugh’s appointment may have undermined the US Supreme Court for years to come

    Does this mean that the Demorats will need to rely on being elected on their platform of identity politics, de-industrialisation via tge EPA, and grievance against history rather than stacking the Supreme Court to implement it?

  160. Bushkid

    Yet another reason this government has to be hammered for a straight answer:

    http://morningmail.org/91553-2/

  161. DrBeauGan

    Herodotus
    #2838483, posted on October 14, 2018 at 7:33 am
    There are so many signs that the world has gone crazy, it’s hard to pick a winner or see an end to the list.
    The climate scam, Europe committing slow suicide, UK refusing to lower the lifeboat, national broadcasters like the BBC and ABC more inclined to fight heteronormativeness than support national interests, the left in general still not realising that there’s no future in socialism, our government trying to appeal to everyone by staying in Paris agreement while the energy system disintegrates, and last but not least the Victorian government engaging in research to put a price on the unpaid housework that women do.
    Feel free to add further examples. As I say, it’s a list with unlimited potential.

    This is what it looks like when a civilisation collapses. Ignorance and stupidity rule.

  162. John Constantine

    How their left wins.

    Talking to a mate from a bankrupt commo totalitarian hellhole rural shire last night.

    The unelected CEO is an activist freedom fighter for every purge of stale pale males going, from violence/booze/smoking/owning private cars/dekulakisation/de-electrification/ crippling rate increases/ refugee dispersal areas and welfare plantations.

    The shire office is toxic for everybody not an activist and hysterical commo, workers fleeing the sinking ship as the purges and show trials of the unsound progress.

    The kicker is that his contract would bankrupt the shire to pay out, so he is unsackable. He can continue to root every Stalinist hippy chick in the office that sucks for the Cause and it is all ‘ take one for the team’.
    He can approve permits for refugee dispersal areas and contracts for ruinables energy and transform the economy into a welfare decolonialisation shantytown subsidy pit.

    Can’t pay him out, can’t fire him, just watch him pork slappers and bus in voteherds that will be voting for huge rate rises to pay welfare services.

    Socialism works for those unflushable and floating and bobbing around the top of the bowl.

    Comrades.

  163. OldOzzie

    U.S. Edges Toward New Cold-War Era With China – WSJ

    A more hard-nosed stance with Beijing is emerging from the Trump administration as China’s help with North Korea wanes and trade talks stall

    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is moving deliberately to counter what the White House views as years of unbridled Chinese aggression, taking aim at military, political and economic targets in Beijing and signaling a new and potentially much colder era in U.S.-China relations.

    In the first 18 months of the administration, ties between the world’s two biggest powers were defined by negotiations over how to restrain North Korea and ways to rebalance trade. Those high-profile endeavors masked White House preparations for a more hard-nosed stance with Beijing—a strategy now surfacing as China’s help with Pyongyang wanes and trade talks stall.

    Interviews with senior White House officials and others in government make clear that recent volleys in what appears a new Cold War aren’t the exception to President Trump’s China policy. They are exactly what the administration wants—putting the spotlight on a meeting between Mr. Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping at a multilateral summit planned for November.

    Vice President Mike Pence last week gave a blistering speech on U.S.-China relations, saying “the United States has adopted a new approach to China” with the message to China: “This president will not back down.”

    On Wednesday, the Treasury Department announced new rules targeting China that tighten national security reviews of foreign investment. On the same day, the Justice Department said it had brought a Chinese intelligence operative arrested in Belgium to the U.S. to face charges he conspired to steal trade secrets from GE Aviation and others. It was the first time prosecutors publicly identified someone in custody as a Chinese intelligence officer.

    The Energy Department announced Thursday heightened controls on nuclear technology exports to China. The administration also signed off recently on Justice Department directives that force a pair of Chinese state media outlets to register as foreign agents.

    The speed of the U.S. shift to a more confrontational China strategy has surprised many Chinese officials and sent Beijing scrambling to stabilize the relationship, with Washington the disrupter, analysts said.

    “The U.S. is getting tougher and tougher, confronting China on all fronts,” said Zhu Feng, an expert on China-U.S. relations and international security at Nanjing University. “Beijing should be very coolheaded because does a new Cold War serve China’s interests? No.”

    The U.S. moves represent an emphatic shift from a “constructive engagement” strategy that dates to the establishment of diplomatic ties in 1979. It was based on hopes China would slowly liberalize economically and politically.

    Underpinning the change is the view that China has reversed course since Mr. Xi took over in 2012 and began recentralizing political and economic controls, pledging to build his nation into a great world power.

    The more aggressive U.S. approach was forecast last December in the National Security Strategy that put China on par with North Korea, Iran and jihadist terrorist groups as the biggest U.S. threats. At the time, the strategy contrasted with Mr. Trump’s personal diplomacy.

    Early in his term, Mr. Trump flattered Mr. Xi, talking up a holiday card he received before taking office and sharing “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake” at their Mar-a-Lago dinner in the spring of 2017. He scotched a campaign promise to label China a currency manipulator, saying he didn’t want to jeopardize a potential ally against the threat from North Korea.

    Since then, White House advisers have changed to a more hawkish crew. And Mr. Trump has seen that his personal and controversial gambits—extending a lifeline to China’s ZTE Corp., for instance—haven’t yielded enough in return. After a dozen phone calls with Mr. Xi, an exchange of letters and several face-to-face meetings, the tepid response from China has irritated the president, one senior administration official described, like death from a thousand cuts.

    Beijing was infuriated by the U.S. decision last month to impose sanctions on a Chinese military agency—and its chief—for purchasing Russian SU-35 jet fighters and equipment related to its S-400 antiaircraft missile system, U.S. officials said.

    China responded to the sanctions by lodging a formal complaint with the U.S. ambassador, ordering the return of its navy chief from a visit to Washington, and refusing permission for a U.S. Navy ship to port in Hong Kong.

    Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, speaking recently at the Council on Foreign Relations, said growing U.S. fears that China would seek global hegemony was a serious strategic misjudgment.

    “Where this ends is a trade deal,” a senior administration official said. “Xi is starting to look at this and say, ‘Wow, Trump is doing the things he said he’s going to do,’ and realize that he has to get to work.’”

    Hard lessons

    The November meeting between Messrs. Trump and Xi may help soothe tensions on trade but there appears little prospect the new U.S. stance will soften. There is a souring on China across Washington, even in groups that have long promoted stronger U.S.-China relations.

    Many in the business community, for instance, have favored a “grow-together” policy with China, with the hope it would open the world’s second-biggest economy to American companies. That optimism has turned to distrust, largely over China’s aggressive focus on acquiring U.S. technology.

    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has criticized China’s theft of intellectual property from American businesses, including with a scathing report on Beijing’s Made in China 2025 policy, a blueprint for turning China into a global manufacturing leader.

    At the Pentagon, military brass have historically sought a relationship with their Chinese counterparts that would survive political mood swings. Even there, senior officials say they have reached their limit.

    Efforts to build the U.S.-China military relationship by showing off American capabilities have been exploited by the Chinese. Gen. Joe Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, came away even more clear-eyed about that after a trip to Beijing last year to establish a formal military communication mechanism: An aide’s tablet, left in a hotel room, had been tampered with, souring the U.S. military establishment on doing business with China.

    This month, a Beijing trip by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, already stalled over a failure to agree on goals for the meeting, was canceled after a Chinese destroyer nearly clipped a U.S. Navy vessel in the South China Sea.

    Mr. Trump first displayed an antagonistic posture toward China on the presidential campaign trail, referring to it as the enemy.

    “I beat the people from China—I win against China,” Mr. Trump said at a campaign rally in 2015 in Bluffton, S.C. “You can win against China if you’re smart. But our people don’t have a clue. We give state dinners to the heads of China. I said, ‘Why are you doing state dinners for them? They’re ripping us left and right. Just take them to McDonald’s and go back to the negotiating table.’ Seriously. It’s true.”

    The view caught on with his voters. Among Republicans who identify as Trump supporters, just 4% agreed that China was an ally, while 86% said it was an adversary, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in April.

    Plans for a tough approach to China were contemplated by the Trump administration shortly after the inauguration. Then came the diversions: North Korea launched missiles and tested rocket engines five times in the first 100 days. Trade disputes erupted not just with China, but also with the European Union, Canada and Mexico.

    There also were calls for a more conciliatory approach to Beijing in those early days. Then-Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad asked Mr. Trump to tone down heated rhetoric because of significant trade between China and the farmers in his state. Mr. Branstad was selected to be the U.S. ambassador to China.

    Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state, met with Mr. Xi after the presidential election and returned saying that Mr. Trump shouldn’t be held to his campaign promises. Mr. Kissinger delivered a warm message from China’s leader to the president-elect.

    Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, helped set up Mr. Trump’s trip to Beijing last year, and emphasized the importance of the relationship between the two countries. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin portrayed himself to the president and the Chinese as someone who could bridge the divide. Gary Cohn, the top national economic adviser, argued against imposing tariffs on China.

    Mr. Mnuchin’s efforts to act as a mediator have since yielded few results, reducing his influence over China policy and showing that negotiations with Beijing would be tougher than anticipated, people familiar with the matter said. Mr. Cohn is now gone, and Mr. Kushner has turned his focus elsewhere.

    That has given way to more hawkish aides, including White House chief of staff John Kelly, a military veteran. His view of China, like Gen. Dunford’s, was hardened by experience, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    During Mr. Trump’s visit to Beijing last fall, Mr. Kelly got into a physical altercation with a Chinese official who was seeking access to the nuclear football, the briefcase that includes the president’s mobile nuclear-missile command center. Mr. Kelly told colleagues that he refused to accept an apology, and he would accept one only if a senior Chinese official came to Washington and offered contrition while standing under a U.S. flag.

    Peter Navarro, the president’s trade adviser, is a longtime China hawk and compiled a report this summer for Mr. Trump that showed how China’s economic aggression threatens the U.S. technology sector. He has been distributing a book to administration officials titled, “The Hundred-Year Marathon: China’s Secret Strategy to Replace America as the Global Superpower.”

    John Bolton, the new national security adviser, has long advocated for a tough approach to China. According to a senior administration official, Mr. Bolton has “unleashed” Matthew Pottinger, chief Asia adviser for the White House, to push for stronger China policies.

    The views of Mr. Pottinger, a former U.S. Marine and former reporter for The Wall Street Journal, were reflected in the National Security Strategy that last year put China in the same threat category as North Korea and Iran. He helped oversee a research project detailing ways Beijing uses money to influence U.S. think tanks, universities and local governments.

    Mr. Pottinger said at an event last month at the Chinese Embassy in Washington that the White House had updated its China policy to clearly acknowledge the rivalry between the two nations. “For us in the United States,” he said, “competition is not a four-letter word.”

    Looking ahead, U.S. officials expect continued pressure on China. A plan to punish private companies that help Beijing’s expansion in the South China Sea was discussed early in the administration but shelved. That type of sanction is being reviewed again.

    White House officials said they expected more information would be declassified from the intelligence community’s study on China’s influence on U.S. elections and cyberspace. And the Commerce Department is set to tighten export controls, aimed at preventing U.S. surveillance technology from being used to suppress China’s Muslim Uighur minority.

    The White House also expects to release a report in about a month reviewing U.S. foreign assistance. It will take aim at China and, at least indirectly, the country’s so-called Belt and Road infrastructure development program, a senior administration official said.

    Mr. Pence has criticized some of the related projects in the program, saying they leave nations buried in debt. “We seek a relationship grounded in fairness, reciprocity, and respect for sovereignty,” he said in his speech last week. “And we have taken strong and swift action to achieve that goal.”

  164. Armadillo

    Oh, I’d let him go to 99 no worries.

    Noted.

  165. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is moving deliberately to counter what the White House views as years of unbridled Chinese aggression, taking aim at military, political and economic targets in Beijing and signaling a new and potentially much colder era in U.S.-China relations.

    China needs to be made to suffer and pay compensation for the trillions of IP it has stolen.

    Odd how no one is talking about regime change, because it sure as hell deserves it.

  166. OldOzzie

    Democrats Are Blowing It, Again – New Tork Times

    Liberals have become Donald Trump’s unwitting allies.
    Bret Stephens

    Michael Kelly, the legendary journalist who died covering the invasion of Iraq in 2003, once wrote that the “animating impulse” of modern liberalism was to “marginalize itself and then enjoy its own company. And to make itself as unattractive to as many as possible.”

    “If it were a person,” he added, “it would pierce its tongue.”

    And yet it is. Predictably. Once again, American liberalism has pierced its own tongue.

    It pierced its tongue on CNN this week, when Hillary Clinton told Christiane Amanpour that “you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.” And when former Attorney General Eric Holder said Sunday, “When they go low, we kick ’em.”

    It pierced its tongue last week when New York’s Representative Jerrold Nadler pledged to use a Democratic House majority to open an investigation into Kavanaugh’s alleged perjury and the “whitewash” investigation by the F.B.I. A party that can’t change its mind and won’t change the subject meets the classic definition of a fanatic.

    It pierced its tongue when Minority Leader Chuck Schumer chose to make Kavanaugh’s confirmation the year’s decisive political test, rather than run a broad referendum on Trump’s inglorious tenure. As I wrote in July, the political strategy was guaranteed to hurt red-state Democrats, as they were put “to the choice of looking like political sellouts if they vote for Kavanaugh, or moral cowards if they don’t.”

    More exam[les are given

  167. Herodotus

    It’s difficult to pierce a forked tongue.

  168. Tintarella di Luna

    this is the headline by some dopey, leftist sub-editor with the emphasis on the ‘sub’ –

    The Everest racing chiefs vindicated after Opera House backlash

    The headline writer must be a leftie and has got it wrong – there was NO backlash get it? the opposite of backlash is a BONANZA, because that’s what the Everest organisers scored.

    The crowds and joyful celebration of a fun day is the opposite of the headliner’s attempt to confect a backlash out of torchlight and phonelight. – so the whingers boosted, as always by the ever-eager po-faced mainstream media to ‘rain on the parade’ of funsters, again indicate just how much the elites, the killjoys and the media dislike seeing the working class having a good time.

  169. OldOzzie

    Trump Wins the Kavanaugh Poker Match
    By Conrad Black

    It was a fateful and disastrous tactical and strategic mistake by the Democrats. Their more aggressive spokespeople are doubling down and threatening to investigate and impeach Kavanaugh. Collins and others are being deluged with threats and abuse. Booker and Maxine Waters and other elected Democrats are urging physical intimidation of dissenters. There were screaming mobs of anti-Kavanaugh surging through the halls of the United States Capitol.

    The Democrats are a party tainted by extremism. They gambled and they lost and they will pay for it.

  170. egg_

    Victorian government engaging in research to put a price on the unpaid housework that women do.

    There’s yer problem right there – ROWM* bending to every whim.

    *’Rich Old White Men’

  171. This is what it looks like when a civilisation collapses. Ignorance and stupidity rule.

    + ∞

    What might slow things up is a US/PRC coolish (warmer than cold) war.
    It will start in the Spratlys.

    Again. How big are our fuel reserves?

  172. pete m

    Arma you could post from 2 devices for the last two 😇

  173. OldOzzie

    Democrats and the liberal media are afraid of Kanye West. What else explains their behavior?

    Has the bizarre relationship between President Trump and Kanye West struck a nerve or what? Rather than have the discipline to ignore this bromance, the tiresome Democrats and their phony leftist allies in the media have overreacted and given credibility where very little is due. I’ve never been much of a West fan but the reaction to West befriending Trump has certainly got my attention. Democrats and their allies are quite literally having a fit that is making them tremble and sputter and say things that are inexcusable.

    When thinking about why the left has reacted the way it did, it is important to remember that practically nothing West says is particularly insightful.

  174. min

    Herodotus and Dr BG, our philosophy group has been discussing the fall of “empires ” for years , comparing what is happening now and the fall of an earlier one eg Roman . History shows empires only last 400 year,
    Now it is the fall of Western civilisation so what is happening these days that is different . Google, Facebook, Twitter that allows the fight to undermine ,change beliefs etc and a formal army is not necessary. Rome trying to run an Empire that stretched across almost the known world but logistically unable to be managed, with trouble at home, coming of Christianity, invading barbarians etc.
    So will Islam or Cultural Marxism win?

  175. woolfe

    My wife put our nearly 16 year old Beagle, Billy down on Friday. OK doddering, staggering from arthritis, and old he was starting to wet inside as he could not make it through the flap so we were leaving doors open. We knew it was going to happen. But she put him down when I was away (i still am) because she had a bad night with him. I asked if she could wait till I got back but she said she could not have another night like that. I don’t think he was in pain just panting. He was a real pain and used to wake us early in the morning to be fed. He was fine during the day and used to follow her around everywhere even scratching at the toilet door when she was in there.

    I wanted to be there but she could not wait till i got back on Wednesday.

    I am a total fucking wreck. Probably heading towards the anger stage.

    Good dog Billy, good dog.

  176. OldOzzie

    Spygate: The True Story of Collusion

    How America’s most powerful agencies were weaponized against President Donald Trump


    Although the details remain complex, the structure underlying Spygate—the creation of the false narrative that candidate Donald Trump colluded with Russia, and the spying on his presidential campaign—remains surprisingly simple:

    1. CIA Director John Brennan, with some assistance from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, gathered foreign intelligence and fed it throughout our domestic Intelligence Community.

    2. The FBI became the handler of Brennan’s intelligence and engaged in the more practical elements of surveillance.

    3. The Department of Justice facilitated investigations by the FBI and legal maneuverings, while providing a crucial shield of nondisclosure.

    4. The Department of State became a mechanism of information dissemination and leaks.

    5. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee provided funding, support, and media collusion.

    6. Obama administration officials were complicit, and engaged in unmasking and intelligence gathering and dissemination.

    7. The media was the most corrosive element in many respects. None of these events could have transpired without their willing participation. Stories were pushed, facts were ignored, and narratives were promoted.

    Let’s start with a simple premise: The candidacy of Trump presented both an opportunity and a threat.

    Initially not viewed with any real seriousness, Trump’s campaign was seen as an opportunistic wedge in the election process. At the same time, and particularly as the viability of his candidacy increased, Trump was seen as an existential threat to the established political system.

    An interesting read

  177. Empire 5:5

    John Bolton, the new national security adviser, has long advocated for a tough approach to China. According to a senior administration official, Mr. Bolton has “unleashed” Matthew Pottinger, chief Asia adviser for the White House, to push for stronger China policies.

    If POTUS keeps him on a tight leash, Bolton could be an inspired choice to repair the damage done by failed presidential candidate Krooked Killary Klinton (sold secrets to China) and Traitor44 Bath House Barry (shipped four plane loads of cash to Iran).

    Peace through strength.

    https://youtu.be/m5eKrGY7tL4

  178. rickw

    WASHINGTON—The Trump administration is moving deliberately to counter what the White House views as years of unbridled Chinese aggression, taking aim at military, political and economic targets in Beijing and signaling a new and potentially much colder era in U.S.-China relations.

    The Chinese are also releasing unbridled aggression on their own people. Christianity had experienced a huge expansion in China. The communists are now heavily engaged in Bible burning, locking up Christians, demolishing Churches.

    Of course we never hear anything about this because our media love communists.

  179. 2dogs

    nothing West says is particularly insightful

    A bit harsh. West brings things down to a human level to such a degree it obfuscates the message. e.g. Hillary didn’t make him “feel like a guy that could play catch with his son”.

    He’s talking about the destruction of the family, particularly black families, with so many absent fathers.

  180. Twostix

    None was in fine form yesterday.

    Poor memory vault.

  181. Speers is interviewing David Finkel (chief scientist) who’s pushing export hydrogen derived from brown coal.
    To export hydrogen you need to liquefy it to a temp below -250c. Power derived from solar and wind he suggests.
    He thinks that new nuclear technology should be considered.
    A question that the ABC would not ask.
    Finkel blithely suggests radical transformations of our energy sector without even a basic “back of the envelope” costing that business would face and falls back to the safety of government intervention in the market.
    Are we not paying enough thanks to bright ideas?

  182. struth

    Good Moaning.

    Bloody dogs, Woolfe……………………..They get you right in the heart.

    The buggers truly are man’s best friend.

  183. Twostix

    nothing West says is particularly insightful

    His take on the 13th ammendment allowing a modern slave trade to flourish in american prisons was insightful and interesting.

  184. OldOzzie

    Hurricane Cost May Skyrocket As Billions In Stealth Fighter Jets Unaccounted For; Tyndall AFB “Complete Loss”

    After Hurricane Michael rendered Tyndall Air Force Base a “complete loss” from “widespread, catastrophic damage” – questions remain over nearly two-dozen F-22 Stealth Fighters which are unaccounted for.

    According to the New York Times, Tyndall is home to 55 stealth fighters, “which cost a dizzying $339 million each.” Before Michael hit, the Air Force evacuated at least 33 of the planes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, however they would not comment on the status of the remaining 22 fighters.

    F-22s are notoriously finicky and, as the Times puts it “not always flight-worthy.” The Air Force reported earlier this year that just 49% of F-22s were mission ready at any given time – the lowest rate of any fighter in the Air Force. The total value of the unaccounted-for fighters is arouind $7.5 billion.

  185. John Constantine

    Fuel reserves are one thing, but Big Decolonialised Australia no longer has the discipline or coherence to be able to operate under fuel rationing.

    As soon as the public is advised fuel will run short, it will be a hysterical panic to ‘Get mine first’.

    Vehicles running out of fuel everywhere and massive gridlock on the streets.

    Australia would last days before quagmiring up into hysteria and gridlock.

    Exactly as our elites have promised their paymasters.

    Comrade Maaaaaaates.

  186. Tel

    Hotel.
    1:30am.
    Fire alarm. Just spent half an hour in the car park with fifty strangers in their PJs.

    Some guy invented a new kind of smoke alarm that goes off when it sees steam (the old sort used radioactive material and were more sensitive to smoke but not so much to steam). These photoelectric alarms were made compulsory by government boneheads and apparently hotels are required to put them into the bathrooms.

    You come home late after being out all night, then have a hot shower before bed and BOOM the firemen turn up and the hotel bills you extra for the inconvenience.

    And they wonder why the customers are booking AirBNB instead.

  187. C.L.

    A Tasmanian academic woman (LOL) at ABC Online says all opponents of leftism in Australia are actual Nazis.

  188. Rae

    None was in fine form yesterday.

    None is a nong.

    Hey None. How about naming those church businesses and para-church organisations that you reckon the churches pay tax on?

  189. struth

    Only lefties could be so absolutely hypocritical as to be complaining about a lack of insightful speech.

  190. John Constantine

    Once there is a couple of million strong diaspora in australia, that chicom high command can reach out and select operatives from, australian ability to oppose the Tyrant for life of all the chicoms is effectively zero.

    Plug a handful of usb sticks loaded with ‘Thunderstruck’ style virus into government and business computer systems, get a handful of passwords, get links clicked, the whole economy becomes de-industrialised over a long weekend.

    The end of Australian military activity in support of the West is the whole point of fashionable decolonialisation theory.

    Peace in our Time, if only we capitulate unconditionally.

    For a brown paper bag full of fivers.

    Comrade Maaaaaates.

  191. rickw

    I reckon the next century belongs to the Chinese.

    It could have, but seeing as it’s run by retarded communists, they’ve screwed it. They are on the brink of war with every neighbor and are at war with large chunks of their own population.

    Xi Ping and his mates will get to do the lamp post and piano wire dance.

  192. Nick

    Woolfe, sorry to hear that. It would have been nice to at least said goodbye.

  193. struth

    become a confusing term, with some even believing that Nazis were actually socialists (for what it’s worth, they weren’t).

    That is the argument from the writer of your link, C.L.

    For what it’s worth , they weren’t!

    Her lecturer told her so.

    FMD

    National Socialist weren’t socialists, do you know why?

    They didn’t do it right, no socialist ever has.
    But if they had just done the socialism I am promoting…………………………..

    The greatest lie that needs to be fought constantly is that National socialists weren’t socialists.

    It’s quite a hard thing to argue, because it being of course so f….ing obvious that they were, the people you are going up against have been so brainwashed as to believe women can be men, men can be women, black is white and white is black, and socialism isn’t socialism when you don’t want it to be.

  194. DrBeauGan

    min
    #2838500, posted on October 14, 2018 at 8:48 am
    Herodotus and Dr BG, our philosophy group has been discussing the fall of “empires ” for years , comparing what is happening now and the fall of an earlier one eg Roman . History shows empires only last 400 year,
    Now it is the fall of Western civilisation so what is happening these days that is different . Google, Facebook, Twitter that allows the fight to undermine ,change beliefs etc and a formal army is not necessary. Rome trying to run an Empire that stretched across almost the known world but logistically unable to be managed, with trouble at home, coming of Christianity, invading barbarians etc.
    So will Islam or Cultural Marxism win?

    Neither, min. Both are barbarous cults that don’t know how to make things that work. Neither have anything to offer beyond destruction.

    The main cause of the decline and fall of the West is the gulf between the two cultures, as Snow put it. We have a political class that understands nothing of the science, engineering and mathematics which is what distinguishes our civilisation. They are happy with magical thinking, they buy into post-modernist idiocy which nobody with a sense of reality would take seriously. Hence the various lunacies catalogued.

    It may be that something will rise from the ashes, but it may take centuries. China might be where it happens. But it won’t look anything like what we had before we let ignorant fools smash it.

  195. Nick

    It could have, but seeing as it’s run by retarded communists, they’ve screwed it. They are on the brink of war with every neighbor and are at war with large chunks of their own population.

    In China’s history, I don’t think there has been a period longer than 100 years that hasn’t had a revolution or schism of some sort. China could have been top of the tree, though they are their own worst enemy.

  196. struth

    We have also reached a stage where the ABC realise their right wing audience have left, leaving them free to radicalise the left luvvies still tuning in.

    They are now out of control completely, and soon will be free of all the once necessary façade.
    It’ll be as if they were in the education department, with zero responsibility for their actions.

    The ABC must be closed down.
    They are a taxpayer funded enemy of Australian sovereignty and democracy.

  197. None

    The Gibbons model of the fall of the Roman Empire was debunked 40 years ago. The myth of the Dark Ages was also debunked which is why they’re not called the Dark Ages anymore and hasn’t been for decades. Even if you acceot the idea of the decline of the west more recently, the West still beats anything else on offer by a country mile.

  198. OldOzzie

    In national profile after national profile, Beto O’Rourke kept getting labeled “Kennedyesque,”

    but the adjective was never applied where the comparison is most accurate, his driving record.

  199. Tom

    The Everest racing chiefs vindicated after Opera House backlash

    Tinta, that Paywallian headline gives the dopey leftist who wrote it (90% of the journos in the Holt Street, Surry Hills, building are dopey leftists) the warm inner glow that activism works, when the opposite is true.

    The headline is literally correct — the vindication followed the backlash — but the vindication was not the result of the backlash. A more accurate headline:

    Record racing crowd follows Opera House protests

    Always remember leftists are the masters of unintended consequences. Alan Jones’s commentary tomorrow morning will be worth tuning in for.

  200. DrBeauGan

    Even if you acceot the idea of the decline of the west more recently, the West still beats anything else on offer by a country mile.

    If you haven’t noticed any decline in critical thinking with Derrida, Lacan et aliis you really haven’t been paying attention.

  201. Cormann on Insiders is fighting back a coprophagic grin as he tells Barry that the LNP all along wanted to outflank the ALP from the Left on religious freedom. These people are filth. BTW, Marr is on the couch. Get ready for some anti-Christian bile to spew forth.

  202. Perfidious Albino

    John Constantine – sounds like your unelected activist CEO is leaving himself wide open to a genuine #metoo imbroglio, just need to find the trigger to start the pile on…

  203. Peter Castieau

    David Marr insists that ALL Australians want action on climate change but ignores that every single leader who backed such a proposal was booted out.
    Turnbull
    Rudd
    Gillard
    Turnbull
    …….Shorten?

  204. None

    John Constantine

    #2838488, posted on October 14, 2018 at 7:57 am

    What your mate needs to do his pass on all those juicy stories to the press. It sounds like full scale entrenched corruption like that deputy mayor lebanese guy who is now bankrupt and in jail or wherever. That is also bonking anything that moves is guaranteed to sell papers. People love sex scandals.

  205. H B Bear

    Mincing Marr loves a bit of sodomy and Sodom on a Sunday morning.

  206. DrBeauGan
    #2838523, posted on October 14, 2018 at 9:23 am

    Beau is on fire to today.

  207. Nick

    Just reading the comments at the SMH regarding the part that Leftists plays in its success. It’s interesting to see the slur ‘bogans’ used by the ones who want no judgement of colour, gender or race, unless of course you’re a white male.

  208. struth

    So will Islam or Cultural Marxism win?

    Which ever one will send us back to the dark ages, so they’ll win nothing.

    However, although as stated earlier, Trump is of Limited benefit to us, (as we are too lazy and stupid to get out of our own way, and have let the screaming banshees takeover, with their feelings over thinking policies), this pressure on China could be the greatest thing for the world overall.

    They are only powerful and a huge market due to corruption.
    Surely in the short term for us, bringing China to heal will be painful to some, but not doing so is civilizational death in the long run.
    The commos have been playing pretendies all along, sucking in the gullible and delighting western socialists, all by having huge advantages corruptly put in place.
    The world isn’t better off with a strong China.
    Not while it’s communist.
    We are better off with a strong democratic China.

    But as we now see, the enemies of the west are to be found in every bureaucracy from the UN to you local council, helping China by stifling and shackling the west.

    Has a booming Chinese Market been good for Australia?
    What have we sacrificed to supply China and put all our eggs in this communist Basket?

    I don’t feel Australia is any better off for selling to the Chinese while their socialist troops deny us electricity that we once had a cheap supply of, enabling us to compete on the world stage and export over the entire world.

    The world is a bigger market than China.
    The costs are too high, in only looking to China for our exporting.
    It only appears good if you don’t take in the entire picture.

  209. None

    If you haven’t noticed any decline in critical thinking with Derrida, Lacan et aliis you really haven’t been paying attention.

    That just represents the decline of humanities departments in universities but even so MVs relatives still buy houses in the west “just in case”. They don’t buy them in Chad.

  210. Methinks the biggest PRC problem is keeping a cap on its own populaces expectations.
    Some very wealthy people in PRC and lots of very poor peasants (who are getting poorer)*.
    And peasants once having had a taste of the good life are not going to easily give it up. (Never show a pit pony the light)
    Managing 300 million don’t haves is not easy.

    *Dannograd is small scale example

  211. None

    David Marr is a liar. I don’t want action on climate change and since I am an Australian that makes him a liar.

  212. Empire 5:5

    I reckon the next century belongs to the Chinese.

    An empire with a political history firmly rooted in despotism and a demographic time bomb courtesy of the OCP?

    Only as a proxy facilitated by theft and subterfuge.

  213. egg_

    Speers is interviewing David Finkel (chief scientist) who’s pushing export hydrogen derived from brown coal.
    To export hydrogen you need to liquefy it to a temp below -250c. Power derived from solar and wind he suggests.

    Wedding a possibly good idea to ruinables to get under the radar?

  214. egg_

    David Marr is a liar.

    Fact check: True!

  215. struth

    The myth of the Dark Ages was also debunked which is why they’re not called the Dark Ages anymore and hasn’t been for decades.

    I just called them the dark ages.

    How can you say they’re not called it anymore?

    When Roman empire collapsed, much technology was lost, like cementing etc, and the struggle for power between those left, caused much violence and extreme violence, degradation and poverty.
    War lords and feudalism.
    Although this was the case in many areas during the Roman empire, generally there was what may in the standard of the times, be considered trade and civilisation.

    The Mussies were a big part of the dark ages and until they were booted out of Europe, it was bloody dark.
    There was a dark age alright, and the mussies are trying to recreate it as I type.

  216. Marr and the Insiders declare Christian institutions will not behave as Christians.
    There are and have always been plenty of gay students and teachers in Christian/Catholic schools and few if any were kicked out.
    The ABC performing fake exorcisms.

  217. So we learn today from Marr and the others on the couch that this is not just about sexual ‘orientation’, it is about eliminating any sort of discrimination in any religious institution whether school, nursing home, and the like, of student, staff, whathaveyou, such that excluding anyone acting in a public manner that brings the institution’s teaching into disrepute is simply banned.

    And the LNP is planting that premise. Filth.

  218. Nick

    Imagine we had a US style Supreme Court set up here. I can envisage the utter wets that a Liberal Government would appoint to counter previous Labor appointees. Someone like Dee Madigan perhaps.

  219. struth

    David Marr hasn’t got off his knees long enough to know what Australia thinks outside his local public toilets.

  220. H B Bear

    SloMo has been completely outplayed on homos. Another Lieboral own goal.

    Peanut Head must be pissing himself.

  221. egg_

    It’s interesting to see the slur ‘bogans’ used by the ones who want no judgement of colour, gender or race, unless of course you’re a white male.

    Aunty’s demographic to a tee.

  222. Imagine we had a US style Supreme Court set up here.

    I could live with it. IF we also got their constitution (or that of Texas) and amendments .

  223. struth

    Nick, if we had a supreme court here, Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford would be ASKED to be on it.
    They wouldn’t even have to put their hands up.

  224. egg_

    SloMo has been completely outplayed on homos.

    KRuddy had far more nous.

  225. egg_

    Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford

    If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive?

  226. Struth, the only reason they were called the Dark Ages is because there was little historical material about the period between the Fall of the Empire and Charlemagne. You should read Regine Pernoud’s Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths.

  227. None

    dover_beach

    #2838548, posted on October 14, 2018 at 9:58 am

    you have to remember Dover at the Liberals are the homosexual party. I have a disproportionate number of homosexuals in their ranks and they’re all fifth columners. They’re also sexist because they hate lesbians.

  228. md

    Kurds Call On European Nations to Take Back 900 Captured Islamic State Fighters

    The way Sweden has proposed to deal with returning fighters has been widely regarded as controversial, with senior politicians like Alice Bah Kunkhe saying that the country should reintegrate the jihadis back into Swedish society.
    In some cases, Swedish municipalities have attempted to integrate jihadis by offering them driving lessons, access to housing, and debt forgiveness.

    In Canada, internal government documents were leaked earlier this year revealing that it was unlikely returning fighters would be facing any sort of criminal charges due to the difficulty of conducting investigations into their overseas activities.
    Last year it was revealed that at least 60 radical Islamic extremists had returned to Canada from the Middle East.

  229. struth

    Struth, the only reason they were called the Dark Ages is because there was little historical material about the period between the Fall of the Empire and Charlemagne. You should read Regine Pernoud’s Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths.

    Whadda reckon might be the reason for that?

    A Europe full of Mussie war lords and , don’t forget those bloody Hun.

    If there was civilisation, you would have had records.

    I think the problem with the re writing of History as far as the dark ages are concerned, is that it is done to white wash the Mussie atrocities and takeover.
    You can’t ask me to read what you say wasn’t recoded, as that’s just opinion.

    And opinions are like arseholes…………………………………………..

  230. DrBeauGan

    That just represents the decline of humanities departments in universities.

    Which are producing our pubic serpent masters who are ruining the country. Out of muddle and quite massive ignorance of which they are almost entirely unaware.

  231. Nick

    Nick, if we had a supreme court here, Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford would be ASKED to be on it.
    They wouldn’t even have to put their hands up.

    Lol, there’s the full bench right there.

  232. C.L.

    We have also reached a stage where the ABC realise their right wing audience have left, leaving them free to radicalise the left luvvies still tuning in.

    They are now out of control completely, and soon will be free of all the once necessary façade.
    It’ll be as if they were in the education department, with zero responsibility for their actions.

    The ABC must be closed down.
    They are a taxpayer funded enemy of Australian sovereignty and democracy.

    Exactly. Even the Gardening Australia crowd are now leftist baby-boomers.

  233. min

    True None , I see what is happening as a professional observer of human behaviour. Utopian ideas such as Kumbaya with no evaluation of consequences . In discussions where this is put forward I suggest the only way to get that result is genetic engineering . Everyone can be trained they will say . Ever tried I ask how many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb ? None it has to want to change and have you tried to change a sociopath, narcissists beliefs?
    What is happening with technology we are being subject to constant propaganda and no one questions the rubbish.

  234. struth

    Given it wasn’t just Mussies, although strange how the darkness of the Dark ages seems to see cracks of light after Christian dominance is restored or just founded, in many areas.
    Basically after taking back Spain and the Crusades.

    Whether or not it was Islam or various heathen clans and tribes, the spread of Christianity through Europe brought light to the world, even in it’s fairly corrupted state, as it was then.

    I can see how winners try to re write History, and right now the winners are the leftists, and claiming there was no dark ages would suit the narrative perfectly, so excuse me if I’m a bit cynical.

  235. C.L.

    Hero Catholic policeman and newlywed to be officially forgotten:

    French hero Arnaud Beltrame, who sacrificed himself to save a hostage from a [Muslim] terrorist, won’t have a place named after him because it may upset Marseille’s huge Muslim community, Valeurs Actuelles reports.

    On 24 March 2018, an ISIS terrorist stormed a supermarket in Trèbes, armed with a handgun, a hunting knife and three homemade bombs. He shot two people dead and took others hostage.

    During the negotiation with the police, the terrorist accepted Beltrame’s offer to swap places with the last hostage, a female cashier…

    After a three-hour stand-off with the police, Radouane Lakdim, the 25-year-old terrorist, stabbed (even though rumours circulated that he sliced Beltrame’s throat) and murdered Arnaud Beltrame.

  236. 2dogs

    Kurds Call On European Nations to Take Back 900 Captured Islamic State Fighters

    Have them turned over to Assad to stand trial.

  237. cohenite

    Another beautiful second amendment lady: Brenna Spencer:

  238. 2dogs

    Imagine we had a US style Supreme Court set up here.

    How is the high court not that?

  239. John Constantine

    Outsiders have a south african on.

    He suggests that the ruling class of the African National Congress make up the largest landowning clique in South Africa.

    I don’t know how to search for the factcheck on this, maybe the abc will?.

    Dekulakisation will continue in South Africa.

    The unspoken problem is that modern productive Western agriculture is capital intensive, not manual labour intensive. the economics of making a massive capital investment to make potentially fertile land productive was tried by western investors in the Ukraine, and failed.

    Only the peoples liberation army and the Tyrant of all the chicoms can project the fear and brutality needed to keep foreign capital investment in African farmland productive.

  240. cohenite

    Islam is a disease, or at least an infection which brings out the very worst in humanity. Christianity, after it had reformed, did the opposite. Which is not to say sections of humanity don’t still want to use Christianity to enact fundamentalism. History is important to understanding islam because islam has not changed one iota since it started. Islam can’t be reasoned with. It can be beaten or quarantined or given in to but it can’t be reasoned with; and it will never fit in with Western democracy. People who say otherwise are fools, cowards or quislings.

  241. John Constantine

    Scomo paints a target on the back of Australia all Over and Macca as he lauds the program for being what their abc should be.

    [outsiders]

    also note that lefty activists have deliberately purchased advertising slots on outsiders for lefty causes. There shall be nowhere to turn without lefty indoctrination, nowhere at all.

    Comrades

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