Open Forum: October 13, 2018

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  1. A Europe full of Mussie war lords and , don’t forget those bloody Hun.

    Europe was full of neither between the Fall of Rome and 1000 AD.

    If there was civilisation, you would have had records.

    We do have records and there was civilization.

    I think the problem with the re writing of History as far as the dark ages are concerned, is that it is done to white wash the Mussie atrocities and takeover.

    No, the problem is the general trashing of the Christian civilization of Europe in the early middle ages such that what is found elsewhere is considered brighter.

    You can’t ask me to read what you say wasn’t recoded,…

    I never said that. I said that the phrase was coined because there was little historical material available at the time, this being the 14th-15th century AD, not because material was never produced during the early middle ages. You never heard of the Venerable Bede? Isidore of Seville? Alcuin of York? Theodulf of Orleans? I could go on.

  2. C.L.

    The Liberals presided over the attempt to jail Andrew Bolt and Bill Leak.
    Presently, they preside over an attempt to prosecute Ben Roberts-Smith VC.
    Not one Liberal in the country has sought to blow up the corrupt show trial of George Pell.
    Now state school scrubber and Pentecostal phony Scott Morrison announces that Christian school administrators will be jailed if they don’t allow little children to be respect homosexuality.
    The Liberals also trashed marriage – rushing proudly to do so before Labor got the ‘credit.’
    A party of revolting turds that – quite literally – makes Whitlam look like an admirable patrician.

  3. Christianity, after it had reformed, did the opposite. Which is not to say sections of humanity don’t still want to use Christianity to enact fundamentalism.

    Fundamentalism emerges out of the Reformation arising as it does out of the doctrine of sola scriptura.

  4. struth

    Europe was full of neither between the Fall of Rome and 1000 AD.

    Spain was completely controlled by Mussies.

    They were happy just staying put?

  5. C.L.

    don’t allow little children to be [taught to] respect homosexuality

  6. John Constantine

    Saw Woolfe’s post about his dog earlier.

    Had to euthanise my fathers old sheepdog this week, she was born last century and outlived him by a few years.[ one reason i had to buy the ram sedative from the vet, a massive overdose injected into the neck ruffle and her story was all over.]

    She got wrapped up in one of his old shirts as a shroud and i did think as i shovelled the dirt back in the hole that i got to bury the old man, got to bury his dog and like it or not, it damn well looks like i will get to bury his country as well.

    Comrades.

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    “min
    #2838500, posted on October 14, 2018 at 8:48 am
    Herodotus and Dr BG, our philosophy group has been discussing the fall of “empires ” for years , comparing what is happening now and the fall of an earlier one eg Roman . History shows empires only last 400 year,
    Now it is the fall of Western civilisation so what is happening these days that is different . Google, Facebook, Twitter that allows the fight to undermine ,change beliefs etc and a formal army is not necessary. Rome trying to run an Empire that stretched across almost the known world but logistically unable to be managed, with trouble at home, coming of Christianity, invading barbarians etc.
    So will Islam or Cultural Marxism win?”

    Islam will win. Why? Along with a growing resident Muslim population due to immigration from the middle east, I also have a theory that Islam will attract more and more converts (particularly male converts) over the next half a century from the indigenous European populations particularly in places such as Western Europe (I’m not talking about Eastern Europe). I suspect it’s already happening. There are many reasons for my hypothesis…..the collapse of Christianity in Western Europe….Christianity has become so emasculated and is now just another arm of the whole cultural marxist and post modernist movement…you now have the situation where the mainstream Christian churches in the west only preach about “social justice” rather than doctrine. This has caused massive decline in membership and attendance to the point where churches in western Europe are empty. Why bother believing when the mainstream churches don’t believe in anything? Churches in the west now tolerate anything and everything and they are now so cautorized by the left that they can’t muster any strength to fight back. Look at the Catholic church under Francis. You can see the reaction with the rise of evangelical Christianity (a religious movement that is strong on doctrine) which could act as a counterpoint to Islam but the problem in Europe is that indigenous Europeans are not breeding. What will really turn men (and I suspect already is) is the catastrophic rise of second and third wave feminism and the accompanying demonisation of males….particularly white males. Men will search for something, anything, as they become more and more demonised and marginalised. People want strength…..in ideology, in religion, in leadership. I won’t blame men for choosing that path. It’s a natural consequence.

  8. None

    Hey Rae. You’re online. Do your own homework. I’m not your mother.

  9. struth

    I think this argument is about what you perceive the “dark ages” to mean.

    I think it can be well argued after the fall of Rome, Technology declined and civilisation did as well.

    Until the dominance of the Christian faith was re established, you definitely weren’t going to get the renaissance.
    That to me, was the dark ages.

  10. Senile Old Guy

    A party of revolting turds that – quite literally – makes Whitlam look like an admirable patrician.

    Being far too kind.

  11. cohenite

    Fundamentalism emerges out of the Reformation arising as it does out of the doctrine of sola scriptura.

    The reformation reformed Christianity. That pockets of fundamentalism remain is a reaction to the reformation not something emerging from it. Anyway the point is Christianity lives within Western democracy, islam does not and never will.

  12. H B Bear

    Cassie – pretty much what Michel Houellebecq argues in Submission. Houellebecq belled the cat on muzzies and the decline of the West earlier than most.

  13. struth

    Homosexuality is a disorder.

    You shouldn’t discriminate against people with a disorder.
    You should also not lie to them and tell them that it’s not a disorder, as we see, it does much more harm than good.

  14. None

    There is a level of Truth in what you say Cassie. As I keep writing at Bolt’s blog but which his moderators usually refuse to publish, people soon tire of immorality. And all secular philosophies push immorality – for example it is Peter Singer’s utilitarianism that gave us gems like “bestiality is good for you” ( and remember Sunger co wrote the Greens Manifesto with Bob Brown). So this present degeneracy will be overturned in the future; yes I do believe gay marriage will be repealed as well.
    The only question then is: which God will step in to fill the Void. I think Islam is attractive to many people because it has rules for everything even on how to wipe your bum and generations of snowflakes have been taught not to think for themselves so it’s a perfect match.

  15. mh

    OldOzzie
    #2838499, posted on October 14, 2018 at 8:42 am
    Democrats and the liberal media are afraid of Kanye West. What else explains their behavior?

    Well done to Old Ozzie for diving into the MSM sewer and recovering a few interesting articles.

    Don King is a big Trump supporter. I remember King giving a rambling, wild speech back in 2016 while Trump sat back quietly somewhat bewildered by the puzzling narrative.
    I watched 7 mins of the Kanye Oval Office rant, then gave it a miss. Some interesting points, but at times on a different wavelength. But the reaction of the Left exposes their fears.

  16. None

    When people talk of the fall of Rome – and yes there was a fall of Rome which I think was quite traumatic for the pagan psyche – they forget that the Roman Empire spanned the entire Mediterranean Basin and that the east certainly continued to flourish until the rise of Islam and the West still continued to expand as various people groups we’re Christianized. It’s big complex and messy but I would say also one of the most creative periods in human history.

  17. John Constantine

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/26/the-stunning-way-a-catholic-priest-marked-the-deaths-of-refugees-in-the-mediterranean/?utm_term=.07c550c9e02d

    “Woelki also used a seven-meter-long former refugee boat as his altar for the service to celebrate the Feast of Corpus Christi. The boat had previously been recovered by the Maltese military during a search-and-rescue operation.

    The cardinal emphasized the significance of choosing the boat, saying that altars had always symbolized Jesus Christ. “To see those in need and help them is the task the Lord has given to us as Christians,” said Woelki.

    “Their cry for justice, for dignity and peace are also God’s cry,” the archbishop commented, according to a translation by Austria’s Catholic Press Agency.

    Self-critically, Woelki went on to suggest that those saying Islam was being abused as a religion should remember that Christianity had also cost people’s lives in the past.”

    Comrades.

  18. None

    There is a level of truth in what you say Cassie. As I keep writing on other blogs but which moderators usually refuse to publish, people soon tire of immorality. And all secular philosophies push immorality – for example it is Peter Singer’s utilitarianism that gave us gems like “b*stiality is good for you” ( and recall Singer co wrote the Greens Manifesto with Bob Brown). So this present degeneracy will be overturned in the future; yes I do believe gay marriage will be repealed as well.
    The only question then is: which God will step in to fill the Void. I think Islam is attractive to many people because it has rules for everything even on how to wipe your bum and generations of snowflakes have been taught not to think for themselves so it’s a perfect match.

  19. stackja

    Homosexuality was not much discussed. Until leftists made it ‘normal’. Then HIV appeared. Now since SMH schools story we have to accept all schools must accept homosexuals.

  20. .

    How is this even a thing?

    EXECUTE ORDER 66

    4chan trolls tumblr fans of children’s cartoon, Steven Universe.

  21. stackja

    Leftists now pushing hydrogen as replacement energy source. Remember Hindenburg?

  22. .

    Two different things stackja.

    We’re going to keep on using hydrogen, petrochemicals and so on.

    You mightn’t have heard of the MV Dona Paz, but colliding with an oil tanker isn’t great either.

  23. stackja

    Leftists speak of past ‘dark ages’.
    Today not much light on most subjects.

  24. DrBeauGan

    It’s not just ignorant, post-modernism public servants who can prattle on for hours about subjects on which they know bugger all. It seems that hardly anyone these days has even the smallest grasp of the extent of their own ignorance.

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    French hero Arnaud Beltrame, who sacrificed himself to save a hostage from a [Muslim] terrorist, won’t have a place named after him because it may upset Marseille’s huge Muslim community, Valeurs Actuelles reports.

    Staggering dhimmitude. Upset the buggers, see if they go wild and let them suffer the consequences. They might be slow learners; but each time they come out of the woodwork making whoopee, the responding push backs might eventually calm them down.

  26. Andreas

    I think it can be well argued after the fall of Rome, Technology declined and civilisation did as well.

    Trade also. The end of the Pax Romana would have put a big dent in Mediterranean trade. See the constant Muslim attacks on Southern Italy for an idea of how bad it would have been. The loss of access to Egyptian papyrus also meant Europe had to use the much more expensive vellum.

  27. stackja

    Leftists don’t care about far off disasters unless they fit the agenda.

  28. John Constantine

    In December, the united nations Global Compact on Migration is due to be signed.

    Dutton was against it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/dutton-says-australia-wont-surrender-our-sovereignty-by-signing-un-migration-deal

    The new crowd?.

    Pope Francis is heavily invested in opening hearts and borders through the global compact on the human right to move to the richest country.

    Here is Francis’ 20 point plan on regime change and decolonialisation of the West.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J6C31Y-2Bt3l4U80vJfJkmpsVSamEYHH/view

    Will our frankenmunchy foreign minister slip over for a few horses doovers and a bit of capitulation?.

    Turnbull and Bishop should be there with bells on.

    Comrades.

  29. .

    And all secular philosophies push immorality – for example it is Peter Singer’s utilitarianism that gave us gems like “b*stiality is good for you” ( and recall Singer co wrote the Greens Manifesto with Bob Brown).

    No, tell us how Ayn Rand’s philosophy pushes immorality.

    yes I do believe gay marriage will be repealed as well.

    That will never happen.

    I think Islam is attractive to many

    No.

    people because it has rules for everything even on how to wipe your bum and generations of snowflakes have been taught not to think for themselves so it’s a perfect match.

    You’re saying they want to live in East Germany. There are already the Greens and atheist progressivism has a large following with a strong dislike and even hatred of Islam.

  30. It seems that hardly anyone these days has even the smallest grasp of the extent of their own ignorance.

    I get regular feedback of how stupid I am.
    It happens every time I learn something new.

  31. John Constantine

    Their transnational regime change cartel will do whatever it takes to sink the West into a quagmire that exhausts it.

    Comrades.

  32. None

    C.L.

    #2838576, posted on October 14, 2018 at 11:00 am

    The Liberals presided over the attempt to jail Andrew Bolt and Bill Leak.
    Presently, they preside over an attempt to prosecute Ben Roberts-Smith VC.
    Not one Liberal in the country has sought to blow up the corrupt show trial of George Pell.
    Now state school scrubber and Pentecostal phony Scott Morrison announces that Christian school administrators will be jailed if they don’t allow little children to be respect homosexuality.
    The Liberals also trashed marriage – rushing proudly to do so before Labor got the ‘credit.’
    A party of revolting turds that – quite literally – makes Whitlam look like an admirable patrician.

    I’ll mark that down as post of the week.

  33. John Constantine

    “Australia’s key interventions across the GCM negotiations have skewed towards reinforcing the state’s sovereign right to control its borders, secure return of migrants as an option for states, and determine migrants’ levels of access to fundamental rights and services. Australia’s positions have contrasted with the positions of other member states that have advocated for a rights based compact — including the constructive interventions of the Holy See (Vatican), which has been one of the movers and shakers of the Compact, pursuing an agenda to welcome, protect, promote and integrate migrants and refugees in accordance to the Pope’s 20 points of action. If Australia decides not to adopt the GCM it will be out of step with the vast majority of the world’s governments, which are very supportive of the GCM.”

    http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=56160

  34. DrBeauGan

    Trade also. The end of the Pax Romana would have put a big dent in Mediterranean trade. See the constant Muslim attacks on Southern Italy for an idea of how bad it would have been

    Social organisation generally. But it had been failing steadily for centuries before the crunch of Alaric. Have a close look at Trajan’s column.

  35. DrBeauGan

    I get regular feedback of how stupid I am.
    It happens every time I learn something new.

    You get used to feeling ignorant and stupid. After a while you can even enjoy it. 😁

  36. What have the Romans done for us?

    There are plenty of Roman built roads still in use.
    In AU they don’t last one season.

  37. None

    I’m totally ignorant about art, chemical engineering, surgical procedures, growing vegetables and the whereabouts of my car keys at any given point in time.

  38. None

    As one of my Latin teachers used to say the Romans were very good at building things and killing people.

  39. Senile Old Guy

    Australia’s key interventions across the GCM negotiations have skewed towards reinforcing the state’s sovereign right to control its borders, secure return of migrants as an option for states, and determine migrants’ levels of access to fundamental rights and services.

    Good. Let’s keep it that way. Illegal immigrants – which is who we are talking about – do not have “fundamental rights” to our money.

  40. Delta A

    It seems that hardly anyone these days has even the smallest grasp of the extent of their own ignorance.

    I certainly do, Beaugy. Every day on the Cat I learn something new, google an unfamiliar word and get hit with a concept entirely foreign and therefore requiring investigation.

    I used to think I was pretty smart until I came to the Cat.

  41. None

    Ayn Rand was a half wit demented f-tard who had the morals of a sewer rat and was upset no-one wanted to bonk her. She points out in this interview she hated judeo-christianity and she hated the West.

    https://youtu.be/7ukJiBZ8_4k

  42. None

    And to think we came up with double entry bookkeeping and free market economics in the so called Dark Ages.

  43. .

    Maybe human civilisation/the age of humanity is older than we think, and our ancestors (“ancestor species”) were simply a different phenotype (racial appearance to us) and are the exact same species.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-mussel-shell-oldest-art/

    540,000 years old.

    Only recently we found that Europeans have Neanderthal ancestry.

    A trite article but basically we can throw out a lot of anthropology and archeology up to this point.

    https://www.today.com/health/how-much-neanderthal-dna-do-humans-have-what-does-it-t126372

    Add to this studies that show Neanderthals made cave art, wore and traded jewelry and used plants as medicine, and you get a picture of sensitive humans who were not very different from the modern Homo sapiens who took over from them.

  44. Delta A

    Woolfe, sorry to hear about your poor doggy.

    It hurts to lose a beloved old dog and it’s very sad that you couldn’t say goodbye. But I assume that your wife loved Billy as much as you did and she would have suffered a lot watching him deteriorate.

    I hope you can comfort each other at this sad time.

  45. Spain was completely controlled by Mussies.

    They were happy just staying put?

    No, they never controlled the north of Spain. And out of the North they managed to drive the Moors from the entire peninsula.

  46. .

    This spam filter is ridiculous.

    I’ll post the links.

    My view is that human history and civilisation so much older than what is generally known or accepted. Perhaps the idea of old or modern homo sapiens is bunk in itself.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-mussel-shell-oldest-art/

    540,000 year old carvings.

    Okay, next one, can’t seem to post it.

    Add to this studies that show Knee under tarls made cave art, wore and traded jewelry and used plants as medicine, and you get a picture of sensitive humans who were not very different from the modern Homo sapiens who took over from them.

    Out of (Africa?) 350,000 years ago. Remember whitey has knee under tarl Deanna.

  47. Boambee John

    cohenite
    #2838573, posted on October 14, 2018 at 10:50 am
    Islam is a disease, or at least an infection which brings out the very worst in humanity. Christianity, after it had reformed, did the opposite. Which is not to say sections of humanity don’t still want to use Christianity to enact fundamentalism. History is important to understanding islam because islam has not changed one iota since it started. Islam can’t be reasoned with. It can be beaten or quarantined or given in to but it can’t be reasoned with; and it will never fit in with Western democracy. People who say otherwise are fools, cowards or quislings.

    People who say otherwise are fools, cowards AND Quislings.

    Fixed that for you. The categories are not mutually exclusive.

  48. .

    This spam filter is ridiculous. Either knee under tarl or bivalve “muscles” is a banned word, or both.

    I’ll post the links.

    My view is that human history and civilisation so much older than what is generally known or accepted. Perhaps the idea of old or modern homo sapiens is bunk in itself.

    From nartional gee-O pgrahic.

    540,000 year old carvings, dated in 2014..

    Okay, next one, can’t seem to post it either.

    Add to this studies that show Knee under tarls made cave art, wore and traded jewelry and used plants as medicine, and you get a picture of sensitive humans who were not very different from the modern Homo sapiens who took over from them.

    Out of (Africa?) 350,000 years ago. Remember whitey has knee under tarl Deanna.

  49. twostix

    The ABC wants you to know that Henry Lawson was a Neo-Nasi.

  50. .

    This spam filter is ridiculous. Either knee under tarl or bivalve “muscles” is a banned word, or both.

    Must be hoe mau.

    I’ll post the links. (No, you won’t you filthy meat bag hoe mau sapien).

    My view is that human history and civilisation so much older than what is generally known or accepted. Perhaps the idea of old or modern hoe mau sapiens is bunk in itself.

    From nartional gee-O graphic.

    540,000 year old carvings, dated in 2014…

    Okay, next one, can’t seem to post it either.

    Add to this studies that show Knee under tarls made cave art, wore and traded jewelry and used plants as medicine, and you get a picture of sensitive humans who were not very different from the modern hoe mau sapiens who took over from them.

    Out of (Africa?) 350,000 years ago. Remember whitey has knee under tarl Deanna.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Comment in moderation – the Daily Mail is running the story about how some passengers on an aircraft were preventing the deportation of a Somali – it’s since emerged he was a convicted gang [email protected] Looks like the social justice warriors got that one wrong.

  52. .

    I tried. About five times. The spam filter has gone loco.

    Please read the links. I think human history is much older than we think. It is really cool stuff.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141203-mussel-shell-oldest-art/

    https://www.today.com/health/how-much-neanderthal-dna-do-humans-have-what-does-it-t126372

  53. Lots of neanderthal DNA in federal parliament.

  54. Geriatric Mayfly

    Had a string of beagles woolfe each one still remembered well. For one, the time had come, as with you, but she was having none of it. She breathed her last on the floor- well en route to the vet’s. Another great fishing companion, was also getting to that stage where decisions might have to be made. On her final afternoon, she followed me around the lake, wearily falling behind betimes, but determined to embrace the challenge. That night on the floor of the hut, she vented a few heavy breaths and was gone. I wrapped her in a produce bag, drove to the highest point overlooking the lake, stood on top of the 4×4 and placed her the the hollow of an old snow gum. I am sure her indefatigable spirit and nose for the scent is still there, keeping tabs on the rabbits, feral cats and kangas, which in life gave her so much exhilaration in the chase.

  55. Boambee John

    . If Australia decides not to adopt the GCM it will be out of step with the vast majority of the world’s governments, which are very supportive of the GCM.”

    Particularly those governments which see the GCM as a way of dumping their unwanted problem populatiin on someone else.

  56. C.L.

    The Reformation reformed Christianity.

    In the same way that Osama bin Laden reformed Islam.

  57. .

    None
    #2838620, posted on October 14, 2018 at 11:54 am

    Hi.

    Ayn Rand was a half wit demented f-tard

    Not at all.

    She was a very accomplished writer who earned money by writing several plays before she wrote politically inspired novels or non-fiction work, some of which are the best layperson’s explanation of laissez-faire and also gives it a very strong moral grounding.

    She certainly was not a “feminist – tard”. The idea of her saying that a woman is exactly the same as a man is absurd. She flatly explained that it was nonsense.

    who had the morals of a sewer rat and was upset no-one wanted to bonk her.

    This is just smearing and it is mutually exclusive. Her husband is buried next to her. No one is perfect and you’ve sought criticism of the source, not the validity of her claims.

    She points out in this interview she hated judeo-christianity and she hated the West.

    She certainly did not hate the West, she is the greatest proponent of the West, ever, I’d argue. She did not like any religion. She was a materialist. Even Christ had his own doubting Thomas.

    Mike Wallace was a left wing shill and the chances of him walking around wearing that crucifix any time other than talking to an atheist on TV in the 1950s were laughably non-existent.

    You cannot come up with any argument against Ayn Rand’s philosophy or her well written and robust apologetics and defence of capitalism.

    Like the left wing university philosophers, you cannot win the debate. You choose not to fight the battle.

    Ayn Rand is not mentioned in university philosophy courses, not because she has ever been “debunked” by those sloppy thinking klutzes, but because they cannot make a good argument for their ideology (essentially, communism) in light of Rand’s criticism.

  58. twostix

    The great thing about the death of the old globalist left establishment is that like all walking-dead establishments before it, its attempts to ‘expose’ the rebels and dissidents that seek to demolish and replace invariably make them look cool and itself look retarded.

    “Oh, so this ‘alt-right’ are animated by the spirit of Australian national treasure Henry Lawson you say, and was he a nasi too…hmmm, weird”

    And they also end up doing hilarious things like posting long censored (by them) nationalist Henry Lawson poems on their vast taxpayer funded national website. Violating their own mode of operation which has been to carefully banned all of that so as not to give the proles any ideas – to make them feel like they’re cutoff from history.

  59. Boambee John

    welcome, protect, promote and integrate migrants and refugees in accordance to the Pope’s 20 points of action.

    I suspect that Eureka Street is big on multiculti, so the bit about “integrate” will not last beyond the signing ceremony.

  60. .

    I’ve seen a claim that double entry accounting was invented earlier in Korea. There is a tendency for Confucianism to be laissez-faire, but not in the systematic way that the Salamanca School made out.

  61. C.L.

    The defining exemplar of fake new: ABC environment reporter Nick Kilvert invents fictional person – “Casey” – and ‘reports’ on her future life …
    This is real:

    Under IPCC forecasts babies born today will be 22 when warming hits 1.5C. What will life be like?.

    Too much crazy and hilarity to blockquote. RTWT.

  62. twostix

    That Henry Lawson poem was so very prescient:

    Who shall aid and protect us when the blood-streaked dawn we meet?
    Will England, the hated of nations, whose existence depends on her fleet?
    Who, because of the deer-parks and game-runs where her wheat-fields and pastures should be,
    Must bring food for her herded thousands and shepherd it over the sea?

    He wrote that in 1905.

    35 years later when war came to Australia, England, having been utterly humiliated by the Japs and the Germans did abandon us.

    And they did nearly starve, having to collectivise every square mm of land and all food production and consumption to feed themselves.

    If he was right about all that, what else was he right about? I better investigate more, thanks ABC!

  63. DrBeauGan

    None
    #2838613, posted on October 14, 2018 at 11:45 am
    I’m totally ignorant about art, chemical engineering, surgical procedures, growing vegetables and the whereabouts of my car keys at any given point in time.

    You are however full bottle on algebraic topology, differential geometry, Clifford algebas, quantum field theory, plate tectonics, the archaeology of gobekli tepe and T’ang dynasty ceramics.

  64. Senile Old Guy

    That ABC piece has this:

    To save on power, she only cranks her aircon when it gets over 35C.

    Why does she need to save on power? Because of insane green policies on fossil fuels.

  65. .

    I wonder how many schools ever have their pupils study the poetry of Dame Mary Gilmore, particularly; “No Foe Shall Gather Our Harvest”.

    No no, they’d be better off reading dreck such as Cloudstreet, apparently.

  66. The reformation reformed Christianity. That pockets of fundamentalism remain is a reaction to the reformation not something emerging from it. Anyway the point is Christianity lives within Western democracy, islam does not and never will.

    No, it didn’t. Fundamentalism is basically sola scriptura. There was no sola scriptura prior to the Reformation. You need to free yourself from Whiggish history. It survives in popular culture (including academic circles) but no knowledgeable historian has taken it seriously since the mid-19th century. I would also not try to read Islam using this erroneous lens. The Reformation of Islam would involve you shouting, The Koran alone! Politically, it would mean: The Shiek is Muslim. The Realm is Muslim. It is very amusing that this would be the result, cohenite, but please don’t tell any Muslims. Please!

  67. twostix

    Meet Casey X. She was born in Alice Springs Hospital on October 13, 2018.

    She came into the world screaming, before projectile-vomiting over the hospital floor and falling asleep.

    lol this bugman has never even seen a baby. But he definitely knows everything about Science!(tm)

  68. None

    And rain in her own words hated judeo-christianity and hated the waist that is not the only interview in which she says this. She also hated love so openly stated that no one deserves to be loved. She was just Singer with bad breath and really saggy tits and equally a misanthropist. Hardly surprising she’s beta male’s wet dream. *pukes*

  69. C.L.

    I see where you’re going with this, Twostix.
    We also need the ABC to denounce Enoch Powell as a Nazi.
    Enoch Powell, you say. Hey, let’s Google him!

    Here is a decent, ordinary fellow Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre…

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions.

    Mmm.
    Mmm.

  70. twostix

    I’ve been missing out on the ABC. I’m going to start reading it it’s wonderfully hilarious and enlightening.

  71. None

    There was no sola scriptura prior to the Reformation.

    show us the scripture it was all the church fathers had.

  72. None

    You are however full bottle on algebraic topology, differential geometry, Clifford algebas, quantum field theory, plate tectonics, the archaeology of gobekli tepe and T’ang dynasty ceramics.

    I am? Who knew.

  73. md:

    The way Sweden has proposed to deal with returning fighters has been widely regarded as controversial, with senior politicians like Alice Bah Kunkhe saying that the country should reintegrate the jihadis back into Swedish society.

    I don’t get it.
    Why don’t the Kurds just the lot?

  74. Why don’t the Kurds just shoot the lot?

  75. John Constantine

    “Despite employment rates for non-EU migrants languishing significantly below those of citizens born in the bloc across Europe, the IMF’s claim that mass migration is good for the continent echoes remarks made by Spanish socialists this month, as the country overtook Italy and became the number one destination for migrant arrivals in the Mediterranean.

    As Breitbart London previously reported, authorities estimate more than 50,000 sub-Saharan Africans are waiting in Morocco to travel to Spain after a series of pro-open borders moves by the government, which went out of its way to welcome boats of illegal immigrants refused permission to disembark in Italy.

    Secretary of State for Social Security, Octavio Granado, declared “immigrants are more of an opportunity than a threat”, assuring voters that only by welcoming newcomers from Africa can the nation “maintain our lifestyle”.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/08/15/imf-spain-5-5-million-migrants-unemployment/

    Socialist Spain declares the expulsion of the Moors to be a mistake.

    A mistake that will be fixed by a few years of open borders, mass importation of a Moorish voteherd and signing the united nations compact on migration and regime change.

    Ole’

    Comrades.

  76. twostix

    Someone tell bugman Science!(tm) follower Nick Kilver that babies don’t usually come out of the womb projectile vomiting.

  77. H B Bear

    The ALPBC telling Australian stories unless it happens to be going to the races. Ol’ Wonky Eye comes across rather one eyed reading this. Another staff co-op member from JJJ kindergarten firmly attached to Aunty’s bosom till he gets the Quentin Dumpster long goodbye.

  78. stackja

    Spain has forgotten its past? Inviting Moors?

  79. Black Ball

    Good afternoon. After reading this article, I believe a long lunch might be in order. A depressing read but important in the case of Kermit Gosnell.
    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/13/just-accurate-gosnell-trial-americas-biggest-serial-killer/

  80. rickw

    If he was right about all that, what else was he right about? I better investigate more, thanks ABC!

    Box of cartridges and rifle at hand.

  81. twostix

    The ALPBC telling Australian stories unless it happens to be going to the races. Ol’ Wonky Eye comes across rather one eyed reading this. Another staff co-op member from JJJ kindergarten firmly attached to Aunty’s bosom till he gets the Quentin Dumpster long goodbye.

    Wonderful. For the second time today I’m enlightened by the ABC. I learned the word “brogan”, what an excellent word.

    Thanks ABC!

  82. struth

    We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents

    England, even back then, had a much larger population than we do now, and of course we would dare to dream that our very own thirld worlds invasion could be brought down to those low numbers.

  83. twostix

    Little noted that on this day 2018, the ABC posted the word ‘ni*ger’ uncensored on its vast tax payer funded state run website.

    Do you see what you made them do australian nasi henry lawson bigots.

  84. Tel

    And they did nearly starve, having to collectivise every square mm of land and all food production and consumption to feed themselves.

    Odd how collectivization of farming and starvation go hand in hand wherever you look.

  85. Myrddin Seren

    Spain has forgotten its past? Inviting Moors?

    Socialists. May or not be the same thing as the national identity.

    Basically, have never forgiven the Working Class for lack of revolutionary zeal, and decided that a replacement demos more amenable to everything within the State – nothing outside the State was the preferred option.

    See quote from Enoch Powell back in the 1960s. Clearly been a very long term project by the UK Left.

    If Theresa May leads the Torys to glorious Turnbull-like, Crosby-Textor inspired ruin, Jihad Jeremy Corbyn will pick up the hammer-and-sickle and shehada flags and go full bore. Watch for how quick Tommy Robinson gets banged up in prison after the next UK election.

  86. None:

    I think Islam is attractive to many people because it has rules for everything even on how to wipe your bum and generations of snowflakes have been taught not to think for themselves so it’s a perfect match.

    It’s attractive to males because when you get out of bed in the morning, you know that even if the missuses has an IQ of 140 and yours is in the double digits, the system says you are the superior being.
    It’s as simple as that.

  87. Powell really was prophetic, in the truest sense.

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think Islam is attractive to many people because it has rules for everything even on how to wipe your bum and generations of snowflakes have been taught not to think for themselves so it’s a perfect match.

    Three being the number of stones you may use, not two, not four, but three…

  89. Black Ball
    #2838661, posted on October 14, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Good afternoon. After reading this article, I believe a long lunch might be in order. A depressing read but important in the case of Kermit Gosnell.
    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/13/just-accurate-gosnell-trial-americas-biggest-serial-killer/

    Jesus H Christ that is a horror story.

  90. .

    None
    #2838649, posted on October 14, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    And rain in her own words hated judeo-christianity and hated the waist that is not the only interview in which she says this. She also hated love so openly stated that no one deserves to be loved. She was just Singer with bad breath and really saggy tits and equally a misanthropist. Hardly surprising she’s beta male’s wet dream. *pukes*

    She wasn’t attractive, okay, – are you?

    She didn’t die an old spinster. She was a widow.

    No, no one deserves love. It’s not how love works. No one (normal) ever says “I love my kids because they deserve it…” or “I married my husband because he deserved it”.

    You are totally unable to attack her philosophy, her apologetics for laissez-faire & individual rights and characterising her as “hating the West” is just nonsense.

    Amazing that you’re attacking someone for not looking like Emily DiDonato or Hannah Jeter as a way to delegitimise their argument from ‘Christian’ angle.

  91. JC

    The Reformation reformed Christianity.

    Cronkite, you idiot!

  92. If any of you have grandkids that want to know stuff, here’s a video on how street light poles are made.
    https://youtu.be/hI2fMD-_i2M

  93. Tom

    First sign that something is OK: zombie arts website dailyreview.com.au’s house dyke Helen Razer says the ABC-Netflix co-production Pine Gap is a stinker.

    Well, it’s probably still junk as Their ABC hasn’t produced a drama that wasn’t total crap for 20 years (except for Rake, even though it was a lefty wet dream). But it’s fun watching the left shitcanning the ABC taxpayer money tree, without which the left in Australia would be living in a mud hut in central Australia.

  94. stackja

    Telegraph story, young woman played footsies with footballers. Now unhappy.

  95. .

    Just a reminder:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#5610cd4d7aef

    Has Our Government Spent $21 Trillion Of Our Money Without Telling Us?

    The July 2016 report is not the only such report of unsubstantiated adjustments. Mark Skidmore and Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, conducted a search of government websites and found similar reports dating back to 1998. While the documents are incomplete, original government sources indicate $21 trillion in unsupported adjustments have been reported for the Department of Defense and the Department of Housing and Urban Development for the years 1998-2015.

  96. JC

    Ginnie

    Who were the heroes in Atlas Shrugged… just out of curiosity.

  97. John Constantine

    Victoria University bans an ex-head of the China analysis for the Australian department of defence from speaking on campus.

    The Tyrant for life of all the chicoms is not the most dangerous man in the world, and anybody that says he is must be silenced.

    The arm can even reach out to sullen yarragrad and silence dissent.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/victoria-university-vice-chancellor-i-personally-am-a-big-defender-of-freedom-of-speech_2684328.html

    Who cares how many days fuel reserve Australia has, when the chicoms have their bought and paid for creatures scuttling in all the dark places already?.

    Comrade Maaaaaates.

  98. Myrddin Seren

    ..original government sources indicate $21 trillion in unsupported adjustments have been reported for the Department of Defense and the Department of Housing and Urban Development for the years 1998-2015.

    The Truth is out there !

    Those hidden moon bases aren’t going to build themselves.

  99. min

    Well None, as I tell my grandkids, I know a bit about lots of things, fortunately still have a good memory, and not brilliant at anything but always been curious and seeking answers .
    One of the things I cannot do is take comments from others and put them in front of my new post.
    I hope someone picks up now on bits of info that need attention.
    The polling figures Marr quoted on Insiders this morning were quoted to me by a senior liberal on Thursday night as to why we cannot get out of Paris Agreement. Who did the polling and what was asked ,a lefty organisation and nothing about energy costs.? It is not what I hear from conservative voters on talkback or in person. Also no one points out Germany energy problems now as in Audit of Energiewende.
    I did read No 1 and 2 Paris Agreement and get frustrated at the misinformation put out as propaganda by usual suspects. No one picking up on what was said that is countries can leave after 3 years , that is on the 12th December. Perhaps what Barry Battler wants is the government to think for him and is happy to follow orders as long as money is put in his pocket.

  100. cohenite

    No, it didn’t. Fundamentalism is basically sola scriptura. There was no sola scriptura prior to the Reformation. You need to free yourself from Whiggish history. It survives in popular culture (including academic circles) but no knowledgeable historian has taken it seriously since the mid-19th century. I would also not try to read Islam using this erroneous lens. The Reformation of Islam would involve you shouting, The Koran alone! Politically, it would mean: The Shiek is Muslim. The Realm is Muslim. It is very amusing that this would be the result, cohenite, but please don’t tell any Muslims. Please!

    I know I’m missing something profound because the head prefect has weighed in.

    We may be talking about 2 different things. Your knowledge of the esoterica of Christianity is far greater than mine. The reformation for me is Henry VIII breaking away from the Catholics and thereby setting in train the development of the English parliament, the New Testament and ultimately separation of church and state. Christianity fits within that essential aspect of Western society. Islam doesn’t. It would take islam to concede religious belief is a private matter between the individual and God. Islam does not work that way and has insurmountable qualities preventing it from doing so such as the lack of a central authority. The old Testament was pretty rough and also previously stopped the separation of church and state. I’m not interested in the minutiae of theology, I just want the state to keep religious impulse under control and to leave me alone.

  101. None

    Are you talking to me JC? F*** knows only read part of it 100 years ago. Dead set boring. John Galt I think was one. ‘Going John Galt” was all the rage as a phrase among a group of people I used to hang out with in my youth and I thought to read Atlas Shrugged to find out what it was all about except as I said I never finished it, it was such a god. damn. yawn. Everything about Rand and her whole objectivist schtick is a yawn. I then realised that I was hanging out with where a bunch of losers, misfits, anti social tossers who hid behind Rand and similar schtick because it was easier than f****** cleaning their room as Jordan Petersen might say. and confronting the messy reality of life. I realised that if I continue to hang out with them I would be just like them. Thank God I woke up. Every single a Rand fan I have met since and fortunately they have not been many have been the same. Demented cultists fellating their Idol. Next to Greenies the next most pathetic people on the planet are Rand groupies. I’d rather join a Jonestown cult. Yeah and before you all go on about her lofty philosophy I have to disclose that yes I have read Plato. In Greek. And Boethius. In Latin.

  102. Leo G

    Has Our Government Spent $21 Trillion Of Our Money Without Telling Us?

    Is that like our sub sinking fund provision.

  103. JC

    Cronkite

    You pretend you have scientific knowledge of gerbil warming , but that bald toad, shiny lambert beat the shit out of you. You’re now pushing the line that you’re some religious historian. Don’t make me laugh.

    You’re a conveyancing clerk and should be thankful.

  104. cohenite

    I am thankful head prefect although I don’t know when lambert beat the shit out of me.

  105. .

    I then realised that I was hanging out with where a bunch of losers, misfits, anti-social tossers

    That reflects on you.

    You refuse to refute any of Rand’s arguments or withdraw your fatuous comments about Rand being “anti-western”.

    “I don’t like these people, they’re losers and not good looking who can’t read Greek or latin”

    This is your “Christian” and Aristotlean critique of Rand?

    Really?

  106. None

    One of the things I cannot do is take comments from others and put them in front of my new post.

    Min do you use a mouse? There are quite a few videos on YouTube that show you how you can copy some text and paste it somewhere else using your mouse. This is just one random one https://youtu.be/mXRT2YH8EDM. If it doesn’t help just search for others. Once you work that out you can just copy some text from somebody’s comment and then paste it into the new comment box.

  107. H B Bear

    Blot gives SloMo a tummy tickle for rolling over in the face of the Gaystapo. Blot claims to be a libertarian and adopts the same position on school funding as Hunch.

  108. JC

    What are thankful about, Cronkite? I really had high hopes for you before then. I thought you were the great white hope… all scienced up and ready to rumble. You then appeared on that little toad’s blog and received a beating. I’ve told you before, you imbecile. The way to beat the gerbilers is to attack them on the economics of gerbiling, but of course you never listen to good advice.
    I’ll try and find the beating and post it later on. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And you’re now peddling the idea that chriistianity was reformed… reformed by whom? Cromwell the book burner? Luther the real father of the Nazi movement? The Puritans- the communist arm of the reformation? The Quakers- morons?
    STFU and stop talking?

  109. calli

    Greetings from Boulder, Co.

    Someone upthread said that voting Conservative should be made fashionable.

    It should be made necessary.

  110. twostix

    lol Bolt is pretending to be libertarian now. What a weird thing, very 2009.

    In ten years he’ll be alt-righting.

  111. .

    Maybe cohenite meant the Church was reformed.

    I’m saying it needed it, after all, there would not have been a counter-reformation.

    It saw a focus on rooting out corruption and better educating parish priests in apologetics.

  112. calli

    On the Airtrain from Denver airport over to the baggage drop, the mayor started spruiking the city’s environmental credentials at length.

    I couldnae help meself. “Look out! Low flying Virtue Signalling!” The guy next to me exploded in laughter.

    There is hope.

  113. cohenite

    Calm down head prefect, you know getting over wrought is not good for you. The economics of renewables is of course important inasmuch as there are none but the science still has to be done so the media and the pollies can be brought into order.

    Now tell me again about greenhouses. I like it when you do that.

  114. None

    Dot – perhaps now is the time to remind you that I once told you I was very glad never to have met you. I find you to be a very dishonest person. One of the reasons is because you made false accusations about me, accuse me of saying things I never said and never provided one scerrick of evidence to back your claims, and did so not just on this block that off blog to third parties like Sinclair. Those are the actions of a lying coward and a dog. But that was not the only occasion. You consistently make stuff up just as you just have done so again in your last comment about me. I never offered a Christian or Aristotelian critique of Rand. JC asked me a question about characters in a fictional book. I also don’t waste my life refuting every f****** absurdity I read on the internet, especially your comments. And finally and to repeat myself: You’re a dishonest man, a cry baby bully, an insufferable bore and you should be very thankful that I never want to come across you in real life. Now f*** off.

  115. JC

    Why would I pretend to know about green house gases more than a non-scientist? 🙂

    Stop changing the subject. Stick to you area of expertise – Religious history.

  116. Tel

    Blot claims to be a libertarian and adopts the same position on school funding as Hunch.

    Yup, same way Paul Murray claims to be a libertarian.

    Sad thing is in Australia we don’t have much else.

  117. H B Bear

    People who call themselves libertarian are like the smartest men in the room – they inevitably aren’t.

  118. .

    cohenite

    Most mainline Christian churches still have very similar rites of a weekly service and the liturgy varies a little.

    I’ve seen this in Anglican, Catholic, Lutheran services (funerals weddings, baptisms and memorials).

    A wedding and two baptisms I went to in the same Uniting Church were virtually the same as a Catholic service (the baptisms were done in a regular Sunday service). The minister was like an old Congregationalist (one of the churches that formed the UC). He couldn’t hide his High-Anglican/Anglo-Roman roots.

    They really are in one church as the religion says so.

  119. None

    Anyway min, are you saying that the Liberals won’t get out of Paris because they fear the numbers in the polls? And too bad if it sends the economy down the toilet? Yes I have been reading around the place that we can get out of Paris come December but from what you’re saying is the Liberals won’t, regardless?

  120. cohenite

    Stick to you area of expertise – Religious history.

    Ok. I think Name of the Rose is a better cinematic rendering of religious social imposition than The Devils; but oddly I think the Devils of Loudun is a better novel the Name of the Rose. Go figure.

  121. None

    I thought Bolt was a self identified conservative. This after having worked for Labor, twice. He also claims to be an agnostic despite having his kids baptised. He claims he never the less respect Christianity which is probably why he made a gay man godfather to one of his kids ….

  122. Senile Old Guy

    Anyway min, are you saying that the Liberals won’t get out of Paris because they fear the numbers in the polls?

    A large part of the LNP is leftist.

  123. Helen

    Woolfe, I am sorry you didn’t get to tell him good dog one last time in person. Even though you must have said it ten thousand times, it was this special time for you and maybe for him. It can be a deep bond between man and dog as yours was. Think about the times he made you proud, or laugh. Billy was so lucky to have you both for all of his living, even if you werent there for the last little bit of it. It must have been distressing for your wife dealng with Billy’s ditress. She knew your dog for 16 years. Trust her that she made the right call.

  124. Des Deskperson

    ‘Well, it’s probably still junk as Their ABC hasn’t produced a drama that wasn’t total crap for 20 years (except for Rake, even though it was a lefty wet dream)’

    The only ABC drama that I have watched in last 20 years that might have been conceived, written and directed by adults was Barracuda, and even that was marred by a cardboard cut-out working class dad. Mystery Road showed promise, but its conclusion was predictable, formulaic and PC.

    Generally, ABC drama has no idea about ordinary Australians,the way that they behave and even talk.

    I have never watched Rake, mainly because I suspected that it was intended, as you suggest, to feed the sex and power fantasies of your typical ABC watching late middle age gamma male.

    Luke Buckmaster over at the Guardian gave Pine Gap one star:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/oct/12/pine-gap-review-lots-of-yakkety-yak-and-occasional-scenes-of-bonking

  125. None

    I learn many things from Bolt’s blog. I just discovered the identity of yet another one of my cyber stalkers.

  126. Steve trickler

    At 102 years of age, i spotted her young self on screen, before she was highlighted in the clip. You’ve go about 2 seconds to try it yourself.

    She aged well.



    Great story. She passed in 2016.

  127. Tel

    The reformation for me is Henry VIII breaking away from the Catholics and thereby setting in train the development of the English parliament, the New Testament and ultimately separation of church and state.

    I’m pretty sure the New Testament was around long before Henry VIII, but I seem to remember there was an important translation of the Bible into English at around the time of Henry VIII and that became the King James Bible (something the Catholics had previously been very resistant to but KJV was not by any means the first translation attempt, but it probably was the most influential).

    If the UK had remained Catholic then very likely no King James Bible would have been produced, but other translations would have come out.

  128. cohenite

    They really are in one church as the religion says so.

    Maybe but I can’t see much overlap between the current pope, Jensen’s former Diocese of Sydney and that knucklehead in Gosford.

  129. None

    Always amuses me how some guys only decide to respect women when they have daughters.

  130. We may be talking about 2 different things. Your knowledge of the esoterica of Christianity is far greater than mine. The reformation for me is Henry VIII breaking away from the Catholics and thereby setting in train the development of the English parliament, the New Testament and ultimately separation of church and state. Christianity fits within that essential aspect of Western society. Islam doesn’t. It would take islam to concede religious belief is a private matter between the individual and God. Islam does not work that way and has insurmountable qualities preventing it from doing so such as the lack of a central authority. The old Testament was pretty rough and also previously stopped the separation of church and state. I’m not interested in the minutiae of theology, I just want the state to keep religious impulse under control and to leave me alone.

    Firstly, sola scriptura isn’t esoterica, cohenite, when talking about the Reformation and fundamentalism. Secondly, Henry VIII did not ‘set in train’ any seperation of Church and state, but the opposite. That separation already existed, what he did was make himself the Head of the Church of England. Thirdly, ‘separation’ does not mean that religion is merely a private matter. Fourthly, you’re at once complaining about the lack of central authority in Islam while at the same time extolling the Reformation’s erasure of any intermediaries between the individual and God. So this was never about minutiae about theology but about several errors you’ve made in regard to history. Why persist in them?

  131. H B Bear

    I have never watched Rake, mainly because I suspected that it was intended, as you suggest, to feed the sex and power fantasies of your typical ABC watching late middle age gamma male.

    The first series of Rake was good fun. Then, like the ALPBC itself, it disappeared up its own arse. I didn’t bother watching a single episode of the last series at all.

  132. .

    None
    #2838707, posted on October 14, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Dot – perhaps now is the time to remind you that I once told you I was very glad never to have met you. I find you to be a very dishonest person.

    The feeling is mutual.

    One of the reasons is because you made false accusations about me, accuse me of saying things I never said and never provided one scerrick of evidence to back your claims, and did so not just on this block that off blog to third parties like Sinclair.

    No, I’m pretty sure they’re true, which is WHY Sinclair backed me up.

    Those are the actions of a lying coward and a dog. But that was not the only occasion. You consistently make stuff up just as you just have done so again in your last comment about me.

    Nope, this comes up whenever people lose arguments.

    I never offered a Christian or Aristotelian critique of Rand. JC asked me a question about characters in a fictional book.

    Because you can’t. You tried half-heartedly and your arguments were found lacking.

    I also don’t waste my life refuting every f****** absurdity I read on the internet, especially your comments.

    You’ve been doing it all day.

    You’re a dishonest man, a cry baby bully, an insufferable bore and you should be very thankful that I never want to come across you in real life. Now f*** off.

    You don’t have the capacity to threaten anyone, little girl. That was almost endearing.

    The reason why you can’t refute Rand is that she is right and you are wrong.

    You have fallen back on invective (“these people were not pretty”) (somehow this is a “Christian” critique) and personal history (your friends were losers). You interjected making more false claims about Rand, backed up by a left wing media shill from the 1950s and your own tale of woe.

    The idea that you even brought up Jordan Peterson as a foil to Ayn Rand is just silly. His critique is that her characters are not “complex” enough.

    Which is the same nonsense we get in modern movies and literature where every hero HAS to be an antihero as well.

    The idea that Ayn Rand’s philosophy encourages immorality (because it is secular), is patently nonsense.

    Objectivism may not have all of the answers, but focusing on reason and individual rights being called “immoral” is just nonsense. Materialism may be incorrect, but it does not make Objectivism immoral.

    Anyway, for those interested, a great interview with Yaron Brook (President of the Ayn Rand Institute) on the Dave Rubin Show.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The first series of Rake was good fun. Then, like the ALPBC itself, it disappeared up its own arse. I didn’t bother watching a single episode of the last series at all.

    The first two series were good fun, but, as you say, after that it disappeared up it’s own arse. The theme wore thin.

  134. Shy Ted

    C.L. #2838641, posted on October 14, 2018 at 12:28 pm The defining exemplar of fake new: ABC environment reporter Nick Kilvert invents fictional person – “Casey” – and ‘reports’ on her future life …
    This is real: Under IPCC forecasts babies born today will be 22 when warming hits 1.5C. What will life be like?. Too much crazy and hilarity to blockquote. RTWT.

    You know what Nick Kilvert looks like even before I post the link, don’t you?
    Nick saves the environment by not washing.

  135. calli

    The Diocese of Sydney still exists, cohenite. 🙂

    And curiously, it links with the Catholic rite like a hand in a glove. I have been all around the world and on Sundays love to attend a service. Whether in France or Italy or Spain, I can follow the priest and respond in English. That’s how close the liturgy is. And it’s a wonderful thing for me to worship with my brothers and sisters in spirit and truth but lot necessarily language. It turns the curse of Babel on its head.

    Gosfordman is a sad, disobedient, attention seeking aberration.

  136. every hero HAS to be an antihero as well.

    oi dunno.
    John Wick’s method of disposing of lefties and commos is pretty good.

  137. None

    You’re still talking to me dot, you f**wit? I’m still waiting for the proof of your false accusations or else your apology you demented lying dog. I thank God that you’re such a repugnant human being that you are unlikely to ever breed.

  138. .

    Are you married, None?

    Have you ever posted as Correlio or tomix?

    Asking for a friend.

  139. Shy Ted

    I know a woman who dated Ol’ Wonky Eyes (Adam Spencer). She dumped him. Turned out he was seeing someone else the whole time.

  140. Shy Ted

    Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford – If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive? Clem. The boys would kill themselves rather than (insert end of sentence here)

  141. hzhousewife

    The first two series were good fun, but, as you say, after that it disappeared up it’s own arse. The theme wore thin.

    The Arts communty is as susceptable to commercialism as any other, if you think you’re on a good thing, stick to it. Hence repeats. These people are supposed to be “creative”, lol, hence Terminator 27 etc etc. !!!

  142. None

    I know a woman who dated Ol’ Wonky Eyes (Adam Spencer). She dumped him. Turned out he was seeing someone else the whole time.

    She dodged a major bullet then.

  143. .

    “The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, is that her critics must distort everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual’s rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others’ ends. How many critics would dare honestly state these ideas and say, ” . . .and that’s what I reject”? –Barbara Branden

    Yep.

  144. None

    Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford – If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive? 

    The camel jockey. It would be his religious duty.

  145. Catholics had previously been very resistant to [translations]

    Heard of Douai-Rheims? There were also translations into German, Syriac, Slavonic, and so on in the first millenium.

  146. Shy Ted

    None #2838747, posted on October 14, 2018 at 2:55 pm I know a woman who dated Ol’ Wonky Eyes (Adam Spencer). She dumped him. Turned out he was seeing someone else the whole time.
    She dodged a major bullet then

    No None, it was a joke, a wonky eyes joke.

  147. None

    Zyconoclast

    #2838751, posted on October 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull splurges $250,000 on social media

    And note that David Leyonhjelm was up there with Malcolm and Carr as another Big Spender, his snout firmly in the trough, spending taxpayers money telling his sycophants the bill to legalise euthanasia failed. Yep using taxpayers money to tell you sorry folks we fail to kill you.

  148. Just Interested


    They really are in one church as the religion says so.

    Maybe but I can’t see much overlap between the current pope, Jensen’s former Diocese of Sydney and that knucklehead in Gosford.

    Probably because the church is within the Diocese of Newcastle:

    http://newcastleanglican.org.au/your-church/gosford/

    The Diocese’s southern boundary is the Hawkesbury River

  149. None

    LOL sorry Ted. I was totally blind to that.

  150. Shy Ted

    Malcolm Turnbull splurges $250,000 on social media
    Taxpayers splurge $250,000 on social media for Malcolm Turnbull. FIFY.

  151. None

    The Syriac Bible was probably translated before the vulgate and in any case it was not translated from the Latin. It is the Eastern tradition that has always favour translation of both liturgy and scripture into the vernacular and it is they who encouraged many peoples to develop writing systems and alphabets such as the Armenians.
    A lot of people also forget that there are Eastern Rite Catholics who have been treated quite poorly at times by Latin Rite Catholics including attempts at various times in history to Latinize their liturgy and practice. The Eastern Rite Catholics are almost indistinguishable from Eastern Orthodox. I think it was John Paul 2 who tried to redress the maltreatment of Eastern Rite Catholics by Catholics and it was quite moving to see Eastern Rite Catholics also serve at his funeral.

  152. Top Ender

    No Ted, we need to see a lot more of this!

  153. I am bespoke

    No, no one deserves love. It’s not how love works. No one (normal) ever says “I love my kids because they deserve it…” or “I married my husband because he deserved it”.–Dot

    I do and she does.

  154. Des Deskperson

    ‘The Arts communty is as susceptable to commercialism as any other, if you think you’re on a good thing, stick to it. Hence repeats.’

    Indeed, but the apparent absence, at the ABC, of any open, objective and competitive process for assessing and commissioning ‘productions’ particularly encourages cronyism, complacency, mediocrity and insularity.

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No Ted, we need to see a lot more of this!

    What lovely pairs of b-b-b-big b-b-b-b-b-blue eyes those ladies have…

  156. Zyconoclast

    No Ted, we need to see a lot more of this!

    Oh dear!

    I bet they have terrible personalities. 😉

  157. Tel

    dover_beach #2838754,

    The John Wycliffe Bible did not get a good reception from the Catholics. I presume they must have disagreed over some grammatical mistakes.

    Then there was William Tyndale and his followers who also got the Catholics worked up. I understand people do get passionate over punctuation, but that was just over the top.

  158. None

    All humans deserve love because they were created by love, in love and for love.

    Just because Ayn Rand was a screwed up fukwit who hated the world and had no room even for mercy in her fuckwitted souless ethics does not make it true or good.

  159. .

    Sorry I don’t think love works on Good Boy Points, despite what we might quip here and there.

    Bringing this up to “prove” Ayn Rand’s philosophy of Objectivism “encourages immorality” (on the fatuous ground that it is a secular philosophy) is plainly wrong.

  160. Imin

    Thanks None I use an iPad only will ask grandkids to show me
    Boys on Outsiders interviewed a former member for Wentworth, Minister for Sport in Howard government . He now lives in Japan, speaks Japanese fluently and was describing problems of solar panels in Japan . Blackouts because they produced too much power , they could not shut base load power down lower so transmission, lines burnt out. His comment was that engineers are not.istened to as they would know this would happen . He is predicting a lot of problems for Victoria next, year because they are doing the same, plus gas prices are going up . Perhaps someone who knows more about transmission of power could listen to podcast on whooshkaa outsiders ,that is what I type in, and comment.
    I am hoping Scomo will act on December 12. Liberal who told me about polling backs Craig and Angus.

  161. I am bespoke

    Didn’t no your such a romantic, Dot.

    Unconditional love kills.

  162. stackja

    Howard Roark, an interesting character.

  163. Shy Ted

    You can look at nice young ladies in bikinis all you like. I’ll stick with imgflip. Party and you can’t turn left without getting your arse kicked

  164. None

    Ayn Rand advocated that men should be judged by their character and that one should not withhold contempt. I have judged Dot to be a liar, a bullshitter, a self-centered arrogant prick, a coward, a cry baby bully, and an all together odious human being who deserves nothing but contempt. He has mine, without mercy and with Ayn Rand’s blessing.

  165. None

    Careful fellas some of those girls look under age. You also might want to think about why you fancy women who shave to look like prepubescent girls.

  166. egg_

    To save on power, she only cranks her aircon when it gets over 35C.

    At which point it will be running flat strap for hours – a bunch tards like that would do wonders for the already wobbly SA grid.

  167. .

    Bespoke

    What I’m saying is the concept of someone being loved because they meet a checklist is not how the world works. Someone who treats others like this to me does not really love them at all.

    Parents and infants love each other unconditionally (to begin with anyway) and being a “great guy/gal” does not entitle you to anything.

    Deservingness is not a consideration in either case. Sure, you might make enough transgressions for someone to stop loving you, but that is different.

    The idea that Objectivism is immoral because Ayn Rand agrees with me about this (and that she was an atheist) is completely absurd.

    She was a brilliant promoter of capitalism and individual rights.

  168. jupes

    The ABC finds a genuine threat to Australia: Commies? No. Muslims? No. Sudanese? No. Chinese? No.

    It’s Nazis of course!

  169. Muddy

    woolfe
    #2838501, posted on October 14, 2018 at 8:54 am.

    My commiserations, for what little they are worth. I haven’t had mine for nearly as long, but I have no doubt I’ll be utterly shattered when the moment eventually comes.

  170. jupes

    Amazing that even when Muslims kill people they can’t find a motive or a reason to stop importing the fuckers. Or when Sudanese mobs commit mayhem throughout Melbourne they can’t see any threat posed by third world immigrants. But a few racist cranks posting on line has them reporting that the Fourth Reich is imminent.

  171. JC

    None
    #2838726, posted on October 14, 2018 at 2:24 pm

    Always amuses me how some guys only decide to respect women when they have daughters.

    Naaa, protective maybe, but I wouldn’t say men change their tune with daughters. Daughters just bake in the fact that to some extent all women are varying degrees of crazy. Obviously the level of craziness wobbles around.

  172. Boambee John

    The New Nazis: How the meme-rich world of the internet is a threat in Australia

    As different to how the world of their ABC which is a threat in Australia with its perpetual attempt to push opinion towards the alt-left?

  173. egg_

    Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford – If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive?

    The camel jockey. It would be his religious duty.

    He’d feed Bandanaman to Ford, then top her whilst she’s gorging?

  174. Frank

    Malcolm Turnbull splurges $250,000 on social media

    Odd, I thought it was free.

  175. Muddy

    Huh. I posted a commiserative comment to Woolfe a few minutes ago about his dog, but it doesn’t seem to have made it to the screen.
    Hang in there Woolfe; I’d be shattered in the same situation. I have no advice, sadly. I think that pets – dogs especially – can tell us more about ourselves than interactions with humans can.

  176. egg_

    Malcolm Turnbull splurges $250,000 on social media

    Meeja tart confirmed, Fwank?

  177. Frank

    Meeja tart confirmed, Fwank?

    Huh?

  178. OldOzzie

    Woolfe,

    Grew up in single parent household where my mother had one break from life, showing and raising Sealyham Terriers – at the age of 4, I could separate the next door neighbours Labrador fighting my dumb Sealyham Terrier – over the years I attended many Dog Shows as well as many Royal Easter Show Dog judgings where I looked after other peoples Dogs.

    With my kids, having seen Beagles over the years went with a Male Beagle Pup and at the same time, next door neighbours purchased a Great Dane Bitch Puppy – the two were inseperable – Our Beagle could wander off and always returned – he lived for 15 Great Years

    2nd time around and new location went with 2 male Beagle pups from the same litter – thick as bricks but totally lovable – World’s Greatest Escape Artists — many phone calls early hours to come and pick up escapees.

    Lived to 11 years and 12 years and agreed final parting was hard

    Superb Dogs – Snoopy reigns

  179. Anthony

    When I was a little lad in a blue uniform in the early 50s, the Irish nuns who taught me used always refer to the ‘so-called Reformation’. Still looks the same to me.

  180. None

    Naaa, protective maybe, but I wouldn’t say men change their tune with daughters. 

    I’m just reflecting on today’s headlines in The Daily Telegraph, JC. I actually do think that some men do change their tune with daughters. I saw that with one of my uncles, the only black sheep in my family. Or perhaps he became overprotective of his daughters because he knew there were men like him around? I have sometimes said to men who have been bragging about their misbehaviour that I wish them daughters. They have always understood what I have meant by that. Don’t get me wrong I think on the whole, men or at least Australian men, are decent human beings. And that it always takes two to tango. Just making an observation about a minority.

  181. JC

    Saw First Man last night. I’d say it was better than what I expected although Gosling is always the same non-talking, face pulling character in every movie.

    They showed the landing towards the end and the flag. The flag was shown at a long distance long though.. It’s funny because they appeared to be methodical in the way the” small step for man, giant leap for mankind was done” but putting down the flag wasn’t.
    I’d rate it 2.5 56 out of 5. The special effects though were incredible. If sitting on top of a controlled explosion is as rocky and turbulent as they showed with all sorts of cranking noises… fuck!

    I won’t divulge the plot though 🙂

    In a sense, Faulthead was sort of correct. The moon landing was filmed in Hollywood 🙂

  182. OldOzzie

    Lanzante Is Putting Actual ’80s Formula 1 Engines Into Porsche 930s

    The TAG F1 turbo V6 Porsche 911 reborn.

    Back in the 1980s, Porsche supplied twin-turbo V6 Formula 1 engines to the McLaren Formula 1 team under the TAG brand name. A single Porsche 930 was built with this engine, unmodified from F1 spec as a test mule. That car, mostly stock from the outside save for some Ruf-sourced wheels, remained a one-off, kept in museums and shown at various events throughout the years. Well, it won’t be a one-off for much longer, if Lanzante has anything to say about it.

    he British firm famous for converting McLaren F1 and P1 GTRs into road-legal cars announced at Rennsport Reunion VI it will produce 11 more copies of the TAG V6-powered Porsche 930 using real, actual Porsche-built TAG engines used in F1 races during the 1980s. Yes, that’s right. Lanzante said in an Instagram post it got “permission” from McLaren racing to go ahead with the project, and Engine Swap Depot reports it’s already purchased the engines from McLaren. Each car will come with plaques mounted in the engine bay listing the engine’s 1980s race history and drivers, which is super cool.

  183. JC

    Ginnie

    I’m not sure protective suggests respect. In fact it could actually imply the opposite. Men get to understand crazy females more with having daughters and become protective to save them from themselves. 🙂

    I think the science is settled and debate over on that one.

  184. None

    Sorry to hear about your dog, Woolfe. It really is like losing a member of your family sometimes.

  185. None

    Sorry to hear that you have crazy daughters, JC. Does your wife know that her genes are defective? LOL.

  186. OldOzzie

    Tanya Plibersek says Labor yet to decide on LGBT teachers – Primrose Riordan

    Tanya Plibersek has said Labor have yet to decide their position on allowing schools not to hire homosexual teachers based on their sexuality, but said it is a “good question” as to why such discrimination should continue.

    The comments come as the Coalition and the government have vowed to end discrimination against same-sex attracted students so they cannot be thrown out of school under special exemptions in the federal Sex Discrimination Act.

    The move comes after recommendations from the Ruddock review into religious freedom were leaked to the media, sparking debate about the issue of sexuality-based discrimination.

    Ms Plibersek said Labor was discussing their position on the issue internally at the moment but would like to see the whole Ruddock review publicly released so they can take into account its content.

    The Deputy Labor Leader said she did not like to see sexuality-based discrimination but it was about ‘balancing’ religious concerns.

    “It’s a balance.”

    She said the issue was “absolutely” something Labor wanted to talk to schools about and said she didn’t think schools currently used the power to discriminate against teachers.

    “It’s absolutely something we need to talk to schools about,” Ms Plibersek said.

    Asked about whether other religious-run institutions and services such as childcare and charities should also lose any ability not to hire homosexual staff based on religious beliefs, Ms Plibersek said she did not support discrimination.

    “I do not support discrimination. I think discrimination on the basis of sexuality is wrong. But I also understand that you are talking about organisations that have a particular ethos that they want reflect that ethos in the way they conduct the work of the organisation.”

    Ms Plibersek was also quizzed on why the federal Labor Party allowed for such discrimination to be included in laws when they were last in office, the Labor deputy leader said community attitudes had moved on.

  187. The John Wycliffe Bible did not get a good reception from the Catholics. I presume they must have disagreed over some grammatical mistakes.

    Then there was William Tyndale and his followers who also got the Catholics worked up. I understand people do get passionate over punctuation, but that was just over the top.

    Wycliffe and Tyndale don’t support your claim re translations, Tel. There were a number of English versions of the Gospels, Pentatuch, and individual books available from the 700s to Wycliffe.

  188. Elle

    Haven’t been here for a while. Log-on and None is ranting and raving.

    You must do it by voice and not typing, None. There is something weird about how you string words together. You ain’t Correllio. She is far more articulate.

    And FYI, women don’t shave or wax down there to look like prepubescent girls. That is a myth introduced by the feminazis. Many women do it for reasons, that don’t include pleasing men.

    Woolf, I am so sorry for your loss. The correct decision was made. No more suffering. But we suffer after they are gone – whether we were there at the end or not. ❤

  189. Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford – If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive?

    Wally’s got no chance as he can’t eat pig or boor.
    Bandanaman survives as Clammie likes to be eaten first.

  190. OldOzzie

    Bishop accused of scaremongering over ‘death tax’ claim
    – Matthew Denholm Tasmania Correspondent


    A clash between church and state has erupted in Tasmania, with the Liberal government accusing the Anglican bishop of “scaremongering” by claiming protections for graveyards could create a $20,000 death tax.

    The extraordinary exchange was sparked by Bishop Richard Condie’s claim that changes to the state Burial and Cremation Act — designed to safeguard public access to graveyards after the sale of 76 churches — would effectively create a “$20,000 death tax”.

    Dr Condie said the new laws would transfer the obligation to maintain tombstones from families to cemetery managers, and extend the obligation to keep a cemetery open from 30 years to 100 years after burial.

    “The only way to manage this liability for the anticipated life of the cemetery would be to charge those funds upfront and keep the monies in trust,” he said.

    “This adds significantly to the cost of burial plots and monuments, as enough money would need to be charged to cover anticipated property and monument maintenance costs for 125 plus years into the future, including ancillary costs such as inflation and account keeping expenses for trust accounts.

    “Our sums indicate that this will cost approximately $140 per plot per year for 125 years, or $17,500. This will effectively function like a de facto ‘death tax’ on the residents of rural and regional Tasmania.”

    However, Attorney-General Elise Archer said the Bishop — whose church sell-off has antagonised many Tasmanians worried about ongoing access to burial sites — was wrong.

    “It is disappointing that such an important issue to communities across Tasmania has now become the subject of scaremongering,” Ms Archer said.

    “There is no tax and the reality is that only the church can decide how they price their plots. The Burial and Cremation Act 2002 already requires cemetery managers to maintain the cemetery, allow public access and honour exclusive rights of burial.

    “The government expects the Anglican Church would have engaged with the consultation process in good faith. We will consider all feedback provided through the consultation process in the coming weeks.”

    Dr Condie said the “death tax” was an “unintended effect” of the government’s attempt to protect Tasmanians’ rights to access local cemeteries, and to be buried with family members, after church land is sold.

    He said the Church would “seek to engage with the government” as well as the state’s upper house and the broader community to “find a way forward … that enables Tasmanians access to their cemeteries without the exorbitant costs of a new death tax”.

  191. JC

    Many women do it for reasons, that don’t include pleasing men.

    What other reason/s then?

  192. None

    There is no federal law that discriminates against anyone on the basis of sexuality not one. There were about 40 something clauses that we’re problematic that Howard moved to remove and which road finished in 2007 or 2008. Those changes were made to satisfy Rodney Croome in the gay lobby so that they couldn’t say glbt were disadvantage for not having access to marriage full stop and we all know how that turned out full stop during the gay marriage debate Tanya Plibersek herself had to admit that no federal law discriminated against anyone on the basis of sexuality and that remains the same even after Labor’s changes under Gillard. So this is just labour and liberal once again trying to virtue signal as to who loves the gay more. They are willing to sacrifice our children and to put labels on them such as gay or else to talk every child parent and teacher involved with a religious school as a bigot in order to school there cheap political points. The contempt I have for them surpasses even the contempt I have for low life like Dot. The media is also complicit in it. They are obsessed with sodomy.

  193. I am bespoke

    What I’m saying is the concept of someone being loved because they meet a checklist is not how the world works. Someone who treats others like this to me does not really love them at all.

    How can you say that when if you ask people in love they will give you a list.

    Parents and infants love each other unconditionally (to begin with anyway) and being a “great guy/gal” does not entitle you to anything.

    Yep but that bond depends on the parent being a “great guy/gal” by not abusing the child.

    Deservingness is not a consideration in either case. Sure, you might make enough transgressions for someone to stop loving you, but that is different.

    I don’t deny the biological just the “all you need is love” that abusers take advantage of.

  194. None

    JC

    #2838827, posted on October 14, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    Many women do it for reasons, that don’t include pleasing men.

    What other reason/s then?

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/porn-agains-meet-the-middle-aged-men-and-women-warped-by-internet-porn/amp/

  195. OlodOzzie

    There’s still a future in coal: Finkel – Primrose Riordan

    Chief Scientist Alan Finkel has said he does not necessarily agree with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report’s call to phase out coal power by 2050, after the report was released last week.

    He also said the government will need a whole of economy emissions reduction strategy in order to meet the set target of reducing emissions to 26 to 28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030.

    The IPCC report was written by over 90 scientists and said global emissions of greenhouse gas pollution must reach zero by about 2050 in order to stop global warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius.

    The scientists recommended that the use of coal for electricity generation would have to drop to between 0 and 2 per cent of current usage.

    [email protected]_Speers: This could mean a future for the brown coal industry?

    Australia’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel: Using brown coal to produce hydrogen gas is the first that seems ‘tangible’.

    Dr Finkel said instead the focus should purely be on emissions, as if carbon capture and storage is possible coal power will not produce emissions.

    “I actually don’t agree on two basics. I’m not sure the report specifically says that. It says that we need to look at things like coal fired power with carbon capture and storage associated with it,” Dr Finkel told Sky News.

    “But the main reason for my statement is I feel we’ve got to focus on outcomes. The outcome is atmospheric emissions.”

    “We should us whatever underlying technology are suitable for that.”

    “People paint themselves into an anti-coal corner or a pro-coal corner but the only question of relevance is to look at the atmospheric emissions.”

    Australia’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel: Brown coal has no other export value. If you use brown coal, you have got a very cheap starting fuel.

    Dr Finkel said Australia should be looking to natural gas as a transition fuel.

    “In the Finkel review we devote a whole chapter and a lot of discussion to the importance of natural gas as a transition fuel. If we use natural gas for the next 20-30 years a lot of it will make it so much easier to use more wind and solar.”

    “But we deny ourselves natural gas it makes it more difficult to use wind and solar, so the pursuit of perfection gets in the way of the very good.”

    Pressed on his argument that Australia could become the world’s biggest exporter of liquefied hydrogen gas — which was combustible and therefore equivalent to natural gas — Dr Finkel said it was because we have “fabulous resources” here.

    Australia’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel: Hydrogen is a gas and it is combustible making it equivalent to a natural gas. However, there is not hydrogen gas naturally available on earth. You have to produce it. There are two pathways to do this.

    The Coalition has struggled with energy policy and has effectively abandoned the emissions reduction component of the national energy guarantee, which was the government’s policy.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said the country will be able to meet its Paris climate agreement targets of reducing emissions by 26 to 28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030 “in a canter”.

    Dr Finkel said the government would need a whole new emissions reduction policy in order for that to happen.

    “If you go back to the Finkel review where 49 out of the 50 recommendations were accepted, if all of that is done then I think there is a good chance,” he said.

    Australia’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel: In order to ship clean hydrogen from a process we have to bury the carbon dioxide. The challenge is to bury it.

    “So one of the recommendations which was accepted by the government was that by the end of 2020 the government should develop a whole of economy emissions reduction strategy. So if you count that as part of the policy development then I think we can.”

    Dr Finkel said small modular reactors might reinvigorate the debate about nuclear power in the future.

    He also restated his interest in hydrogen as an alternative energy source — which can be produced with hardly any emissions.

  196. min

    Up until 1954 women and children were by law ,chattels of men, husbands or fathers. I was around then still a teenager,but do not remember how this was let known that it was removed.
    As well as this ,maybe around the time of early feminism , Betty Frieden,wrote about how easy it was to get a woman committed. This occurred because when Psychiatrists were putting together the original Diagnostic Manual they used the characteristics for “normal” based on male characteristics . When it came to female they made them the opposite. So where as Dominant, Assertive etc were seen as ideal characteristics Passive and submissive were seen as ideal for women. This is why there were so many more women locked up until feminists started to draw attention to this problem . Even the pre 1974 divorce laws were more favourable to a man. In the scheme of things this is only a minute amount of time 2 generations to change beliefs ,attitudes and values. So behaviours from both sexes would have entrenched old beliefs.

  197. jupes

    “But we deny ourselves natural gas it makes it more difficult to use wind and solar, so the pursuit of perfection gets in the way of the very good.”

    Wow. Australia’s “Chief Scientist” reckons that wind and solar are “perfection”.

    If we have to have such a ridiculous position as “Chief Scientist”, why do we have to have such a moron?

  198. Elle

    JC, it’s a personal choice. I won’t go into the detail.

    None, stop viewing porn and being so judgemental. Get out in the real world where some normal, intelligent, well adjusted gals prefer no hair … down there.

  199. .

    Up until 1954 women and children were by law ,chattels of men, husbands or fathers.

    What?

    This is complete and utter bullshit.

    We had a female monarch, Edith Cowan was elected to the WA Parliament in 1921. Enid Lyons entered Federal Parliament in 1943.

    I was around then still a teenager

    So you were born in 1935 – 1941?

    You don’t remember all of this?

  200. Elle

    And all this on a libertarian blog. It is the open fred, I guess. Entertaining and informative, indeed. Off out to do the grocery shopping – baby oil – tick, wax – tick!

  201. The Deputy Labor Leader said she did not like to see sexuality-based discrimination but it was about ‘balancing’ religious concerns.

    “It’s a balance.”

    No, there is no ‘balancing’ involved. Associations are perfectly entitled to govern their operations in accord with their ethos. Someone, whether an existing or potential student or staff member, does not have a right to a position therein if they act in a manner or holds a set of views that undermine or are opposed to that ethos. There simply is no conflict to be resolved.

  202. This is complete and utter bullshit.

    Seconded.

  203. None

    Elle

    #2838835, posted on October 14, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    JCu, it’s a personal choice. I won’t go into the detail.

    None, stop viewing porn and being so judgemental. Get out in the real world where some normal, intelligent, well adjusted gals prefer no hair … down there.

    I don’t view p*** Elle and every internet log in this house over many years will prove that. JC asked a question; I provided an answer. The impact of porn on behaviour and expectations has been well studied and well documented. Moreover, there is increasing evidence that porn changes brain patterns.

  204. Makka

    No, there is no ‘balancing’ involved. Associations are perfectly entitled to govern their operations in accord with their ethos. Someone, whether an existing or potential student or staff member, does not have a right to a position therein if they act in a manner or holds a set of views that undermine or are opposed to that ethos. There simply is no conflict to be resolved.

    Correct but at least the Hag is openly commenting on the consideration of various views.

    Unlike everyone’s BBQ pal Scummo and the jelly backed Libs who again have come out and gutted a very large portion of their base in an instant on this very subject.

    Everything I see and hear of this manyfaced turd reminds me of Turdball. Scummo’s difference is that sometimes he doesn’t wear a tie and can be seen in a baseball cap.

  205. None

    You have to remember that one section of Labor’s roots goes back to the old Catholic right. Well the Catholic vote has certainly bifurcated in recent years and most Catholics are now just Catholic in name only but Labor knows to tread a bit carefully with insulting Catholic schools in particular and perhaps Christian schools more broadly given most mainline Christian denominations also lean left. Remember too, that all these hypocritical politicians send their kids to faith schools as well (yes Shorten and Andrews too) so if they want to label people as bigots, they’ll have to count themselves among them.

  206. Nick

    And FYI, women don’t shave or wax down there to look like prepubescent girls. That is a myth introduced by the feminazis. Many women do it for reasons, that don’t include pleasing men.

    Good for saying that.

  207. None

    I’ve been waiting for you use that Morrison is a policy free zone and that he only plays politics. Well this time he played politics and lost out big time. Get ready for prime minister Shorten and people; it’s going to be really ugly.

  208. Makka

    I’m aware of that None. The point I’m making is that Scummo and the Libs again rush to slap their Christian base in the face because We Don’t Matter. Rather than a more considered and open response to what essentially is fabricated Outrage! yet again by the Gaystapo meeja.

    Scummo is running scared and knee jerk responding to leftist media bs. Dumb as a bag of rocks.

  209. cohenite

    Thirdly, ‘separation’ does not mean that religion is merely a private matter.

    I can’t imagine what else it means.

    I don’t approach religion from a personal perspective; for me it’s another idea competing with other ideas for consumers in the Western capitalistic model. Christianity accepts that model. Islam doesn’t.

  210. None

    There is no medical or hygienic reason to remove all your pubic hair. In fact pissing all over the toilet seat and floor like a 2 year old boy is really not a good reason for women to do it. It is purely a fad that has been popularised by porn. The people who promote this stuff to make money don’t really give a s*** about how stupid women are. And tjey don’t really give a s*** about the visuals or the impact of men f****** women who look like prepubescent girls and what that does to girls in their teens.

    There is care and respect for your body, but there is also body dysmorphia and body hatred.

  211. rickw

    No, there is no ‘balancing’ involved. Associations are perfectly entitled to govern their operations in accord with their ethos.

    This is the true and original intent of Separation of Church and State. It is not about The State being free of The Churches involvement and influence, but rather, and solely, the right of The Church to be free of influence from The State.

  212. None

    *I’ve been warning for years that Morrison is a policy free zone and that he only plays politics. 

    Gah. Stupid phone.

  213. None

    rickw

    #2838850, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Spot on.

  214. C.L.

    On the eve of this week’s Queensland parliamentary debate on liberalising abortion laws at the behest of the childless, death-obsessed Premier, the state minister wants to prosecute pro-lifers:

    Counselling services run by pro-life groups have been put on notice by Queensland’s Health Minister Steven Miles, who claims they are misleading women.

    The minister has written to the federal health ombudsman, claiming some pro-life organisations give women incorrect information and do not transparently declare their background.

    “In some of the recordings I’ve heard they tell women they risk getting breast cancer from an abortion, which has been proven to be incorrect,” Mr Miles said.

    “They tell women that many women never recover from having an abortion, and they just generally encourage them not to exercise that option.”

    Mr Miles said the organisations often used neutral-sounding names despite strongly advocating a pro-life stance.

    Some of the organisations identified by the minister in his letter to the ombudsman include Priceless House, Rachel’s Vineyard and Pregnancy Help Australia.

    “Look, it’s no secret that Children By Choice offer a counselling service, but they’re honest about it; (these organisations) use front telephone numbers and front names to be dishonest with women.”

    Let’s stop there.
    The pro-abortion lobby calls itself “pro-choice” and denies a foetus is a human being.

    Onward:

    It comes as around a thousand people braved cold and rainy conditions in Brisbane to rally for abortion to be decriminalised on Sunday, ahead of the legislation being debated in parliament this week.

    Mr Miles spokes at the rally, as did Federal Greens Senator Larissa Waters, former federal LNP Senator Sue Boyce, and Deputy Premier Jackie Trad…

    Under the changes, abortion would be allowed after 22 weeks with the approval of two separate doctors.

    They would also enforce safe zones around clinics and medical facilities offering the procedure to stop staff and patients being harassed by anti-abortion activists.

    Labor and the Greens fully support the homicide of children.
    By disembowelment, decapitation and dismemberment.
    They are as morally deranged as Heinrich Himmler.

  215. egg_

    Bandanaman, the camel jockey from the Project, and Clementine Ford – If they were trapped together in a lift – who’d survive?

    The camel jockey. It would be his religious duty.

    He’d feed Bandanaman to Ford, then top her whilst she’s gorging?

    Clem and Squalid would top Bandanaman whilst he’s going down on himself.

  216. Delta A

    None
    #2838849, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    Neither this, nor any relating comments, belong on the Cat.

    Try Facebook.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    I came for the philosophy and stayed for the bush chat.

  218. None

    They tell women that many women never recover from having an abortion, and they just generally encourage them not to exercise that option.”

    This is true although they should point out that the baby never recovers from abortion because it always ends up dead. Abortion is killing. Even feminist like Camille paglia who supports abortion on demand right until birth concedes that abortion is killing and that there is no moral argument for abortion. It is merely a matter of will, one woman and often the man beside her, willing the end of a human life. You can’t undo abortion. You can’t undo killing your own child. You can’t forget that you have had an abortion anymore than you can forget that you had a miscarriage. It stays with you for life and I can attest to many women and also a few men who have confided in me that they regret their abortions 20 or 30 years after the fact. They spend most of their lives trying not to think about it because you can’t think about it if you want to stay sane but inevitably it all catches up with them. What a horrid hell to live in.

  219. Delta A

    Labor and the Greens fully support the homicide of children.

    As I have said previously, all involved in this abomination – including the mothers – are evil.

  220. JC

    Wow. Australia’s “Chief Scientist” reckons that wind and solar are “perfection”.

    That’s Finkelmiester. He lives 200 yards from me and I see him most mornings reading the Age at the cafe where I keep my stash of cigs.. He once gave me a dirty look because I lit up a cig waiting for my coffee. He was stared down and now looks the other way.

    He bought a penthouse in a new building and completely renovated it from head to toe. Everything went. Gerbil warming is just for the little people.

    I often see the prick with young sycophantic doofuses who look like they hang on his every word.

  221. .

    “In some of the recordings I’ve heard they tell women they risk getting breast cancer from an abortion, which has been proven to be incorrect,” Mr Miles said

    Is Mr Miles a doctor or does he have any scientific background?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779758/

    The risk is different depending on circumstance.

  222. None

    If people want to post links to bikini babe sites, Delta I will make any comment I like. I have no beef with men enjoying the view of a beautiful human body, I just suggested that men exercise a little bit of discretion as to what they are viewing and linking to. If Elle wants to advertise her S&M proclivities or accuse me that’s something I’ve never done I will respond. You are free to use the scrolling wheel on your mouse.

  223. C.L.

    This week in political-cultural debates, the federal Liberal Party will legislate to prosecute Christian school administrators on behalf of the homosexual lobby and every Liberal attorney-general in Australia will tell the High Court to ban Christians from praying anywhere near abortion mills.

    That’s your Liberal Party.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    He also restated his interest in hydrogen as an alternative energy source — which can be produced with hardly any emissions.

    So there is now free Hydrogen in the atmosphere ripe for the picking. I had always thought it needed separation from some other element. Energy in (Hardly any emissions.). Energy out. Who wins here?

  225. min

    Dot know About Edith Cowan was at teachers’ college in WA when they opened second college named after her. Suggest you check the law , You sound very angry.

  226. I can’t imagine what else it means.

    It means that the state doesn’t interfere in matters of religion, such as appointments, etc. See RickW above. People are perfectly free to be influenced by their religious background or otherwise, however, when voting on matters of law and policy.

  227. .

    min
    #2838869, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    Dot know About Edith Cowan was at teachers’ college in WA when they opened second college named after her. Suggest you check the law , You sound very angry.

    You sound very stupid and full of shit.

  228. None

    Onya Infidel. Are you cooking damper for tea?

  229. Death Giraffe

    North they managed to drive the Moors from the entire peninsula.

    ..
    Moops.
    They are called Moops.

  230. .

    Suggest you check the law

    What law smart arse?

    I know which Act you are talking about and it means nothing like what you think it does.

    Now, name the act, the year it was passed, what jurisdiction and cite and quote the sections that made women “chattels” in Australia.

    GO!!!

  231. JC

    None
    #2838849, posted on October 14, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    There is no medical or hygienic reason to remove all your pubic hair. In fact pissing all over the toilet seat and floor like a 2 year old boy is really not a good reason for women to do it. It is purely a fad that has been popularised by porn. The people who promote this stuff to make money don’t really give a s*** about how stupid women are. And tjey don’t really give a s*** about the visuals or the impact of men f****** women who look like prepubescent girls and what that does to girls in their teens.

    There is care and respect for your body, but there is also body dysmorphia and body hatred.

    Ginnie, calm down. A map of tassie is perfectly fine whereas the Amazon is a little over the top ( pun intended)

  232. Finkle or Einhorn?

    He didn’t think anyone would notice his nuclear tuck.
    All righty then.

  233. Under the changes, abortion would be allowed after 22 weeks with the approval of two separate doctors.

    No cut-offs? For any reason? What is the point of the second approval?

    Is there no limit to their depravity?

  234. None

    Don’t ask the question JC, if you are not prepared for an answer. And definitely don’t tell me to calm down Just because I answered. You can speak down to your wife and daughter like that, but not to me.

  235. Ivan Denisovich

    An old favourite – playing the equivalency card to punish and smear Christianity.

    School inspectors are so concerned at the level of sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-Western material in Britain’s Islamic schools, they have compiled a dossier of examples.
    The Ofsted document highlights books encouraging domestic violence, marital rape, and Islamic supremacism, as well as sexist homework assignments marked approvingly by British teachers, The Times reports……………………

    Because of the failings of Islamic schools, Dame Louise Casey, the government’s former integration tsar, has been calling for a moratorium on the opening new faith schools — including Christian ones — until problems are addressed.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/11/28/books-islamic-schools-teaching-marital-rape-domestic-violence/

  236. Rae

    Hey Rae. You’re online. Do your own homework. I’m not your mother.

    Hey Nong. I didn’t make the claim. you did. So, you can’t name any, there’s a surprise.

  237. Armadillo

    A discussion about pubic hair at “The Cat”. Meh . Nothing surprises me anymore.

  238. None

    Is there no limit to their depravity?

    I need to find again that article where a person infiltrated and abortionist convention. Among the attendees was an Australian abortionist who if I remember correctly was the only one doing late term abortions here in Australia – people forget that doctor’s on the whole a rather repulsed by the idea of killing babies – and he was apparently swanning around and a cowboy hat and boots. Let me see if I can find it again on the internet. It was an eye opener.

  239. Geriatric Mayfly

    2nd time around and new location went with 2 male Beagle pups from the same litter – thick as bricks but totally lovable – World’s Greatest Escape Artists
    Was walking one of mine on the Reid Estate in Balwyn, which is a plush piece of real estate. A matron was in her garden, and happened to remark that she once had a beagle. He would wander off, and return with fresh bone. Some detective work ensued to solve the mystery. She lowered her tone to inform me with some regret, that he did not even go to our butcher’s.

  240. JC

    I don’t get this requirement to hire homosexuals at religious schools.

    Presumably no potential candidate for a teaching job, either at a government school or religious , is ever asked if they are pillow biters or rug munchers . Quite often of course, you can tell, as the male or female (terms used advisedly) look like they maybe on the other side of the fence. The male is weedy and sounds effeminate while the other one looks like a bull dyke ready to go 12 rounds with Tyson. These can be eliminated during the interview process without any reason given as to why the job wasn’t offered. The rest , where you can’t tell, aren’t exactly going to go to the first teachers meeting and announce they’re batting for the other side, no?

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