Monday Forum: October 15, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    “Why should I obey your injunction,” replied the woman; “for I was born not of the earth, but of you? It would be more just if you were to look down upon the earth whence you sprang, while I look upon you, as I was born of you.”

    That doesn’t even make any sense.

  2. None

    Delta A
    #2841725, posted on October 17, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    When the war between the sexes breaks out, I’m going to be on the blokes side

    Absolutely!

    Imagine having to line up with Clemmy Ford et alia. (Shudder!)

    Imagine thinking the definition of women is Clemmy and co. Clearly Clem and co. have already won the war.

  3. None

    “Why should I obey your injunction,” replied the woman; “for I was born not of the earth, but of you? It would be more just if you were to look down upon the earth whence you sprang, while I look upon you, as I was born of you.”

    That doesn’t even make any sense.

    Adam made from the ground. Eve made from Adam’s side. She’s telling him to look towards where he came from.

  4. We should respect the men on this blog because of the sacrifices of previous generations of men?

    Men and women should respect the sacrifices of previous generations. (period, full stop)

    AT a minimum, remember their names.

    This job often falls to the descendants.

  5. Confused Old Misfit

    ” Trust her to make the right decision, trust her to make the decent decision and trust her to make the wise decision.”

    And the father said…?

  6. C.L.

    Yeah, I get the Adam reference. Still doesn’t make sense.
    She’s the wrongdoer, there to do evil. In her mouth, Scriptural rejoinders are serpentine pretense.

  7. None

    Here we go again: Belieb All Women.
    Fuck off. No.

    Actually it’s more like Belieb All Crying Women. I am not Catholic but this is precisely the sort of evil sentimentalist clap trap that Pope B16 warned about. I can’t stand sentimentalism at the best of times. Even cute cat pics on twitter irritate me (I’m a sucker for baby pics though but ) but this utter sentimentalism devoid of any fact or reason is just evil. And more this suggestion that parliamentarians are somehow responsible for some woman who’s knocked up is a bald faced collectivist lie. Benedict was a prophet.

  8. Percy Popinjay

    The construction manager said he had not even noticed the graffiti.

    LOL. Of course he hadn’t.

  9. Rae

    This in reference to Pocahontas’ claims to be Cherokee.

    Someone should tell the PGiC that Pocahontas, the real one, was not a Cherokee.

  10. H B Bear

    ” Trust her to make the right decision, trust her to make the decent decision and trust her to make the wise decision.”

    If she was capable of making the right decision she wouldn’t need an abortion in the first place.

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Imagine thinking the definition of women is Clemmy and co. Clearly Clem and co. have already won the war.

    You just stated that you wanted a biological male to win the World Women’s Cycling Championship.
    You have no business defining Women whatsoever.

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Why should I obey your injunction,” replied the woman; “for I was born not of the earth, but of you? It would be more just if you were to look down upon the earth whence you sprang, while I look upon you, as I was born of you.”

    That doesn’t even make any sense.

    THis chick logic stuff is a universal.

  13. mh

    Cherokees are calling her Pocahonky.

  14. John Constantine

    New ASX rules about suspending minnow companies on a run and purging the buy and sell order queues do advantage those big operators with the fastest links, so when trading reopens it is the big money that gets to the front of the new queues.

    Sulky because i was up near the front of the SUD queue to sell out when it was suspended.

    Who knows, it might be good news coming, not just the usual price and volume mafia rigging.

    Even ANP, antisense, the old medical scan company has risen from the unloved depths.

    Got a couple of biohope and marijuana greenchip cap raise forms on the desk closing this week. Wasn’t really attracted, but might take one more look just because sector momentum.

  15. None

    C.L.

    The Ephrem in the anecdote attempted to put her down merely on the basis of status/authority. Like “I am a male/bishop/etc obey me.” There is no sin in looking at someone.

    (The issue is not her intent “either desirous of tempting him, or who had been bribed for the purpose” How many times were bishops accused of anything from blasphemy to incest. BY OTHER BISHOPS. Purely to get status. Power play. The famous case of Athanasius of Alexandria being accused of murdering someone. So he produced the victim alive and well at the council meeting. This is old school history. Ecclesiastical politics make our secular lot of munchkins look like kindergartners).

  16. Wade

    None is off it’s lithium.

    Sad

  17. calli

    Women have to work long hours and face sexism in the building industry?

    Wow! Who’d have thought it.

    #StrongWomen

  18. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “So Madame Deputy Speaker, and for all of those in the house today my advice is to trust the woman. Trust her to make the right decision, trust her to make the decent decision and trust her to make the wise decision.”

    wamen are generally vain, self centered, selfish and manipulative, that we can trust.

  19. zyconoclast

    A New Study Shows White Families Getting Four-Fifths of Trump’s Tax Cut
    Experts warn that last year’s tax law will “supercharge” racial disparities.

    Buried near the end of the report

    The average annual tax cut received by white households, $2,020, is more than double the average cuts black and Latino families will receive. Asian families, who have the highest average income of any group, will receive the highest average tax cut, at $2,560.

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The average annual tax cut received by white households, $2,020, is more than double the average cuts black and Latino families will receive. Asian families, who have the highest average income of any group, will receive the highest average tax cut, at $2,560.

    so the cut is based on how hard you work, the horror.

  21. None

    You just stated that you wanted a biological male to win the World Women’s Cycling Championship.
    You have no business defining Women whatsoever.

    You just said “women” let this guy win. “Women” is inclusive of all women. And on that basis, like all inclusivists, you were wrong.

  22. zyconoclast

    New ‘amnesty’ scheme for 5,500 immigrants

    More than 5,000 undocumented immigrants in Ireland could be eligible to apply for permission to remain in the State under a new scheme to be announced today.

    Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan will announce details of the scheme to allow people from countries outside the European Economic Area (EEA) who have no valid visa to be allowed to stay.

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    None is off it’s lithium.
    Sad

    I’m talking about Jesus and she starts talking about some random ethnic Saint?
    What has a random Saint got to do with Jesus being male?

    Ridiculous.

  24. Mother Lode

    I swear to God, the mad headlong impulse to inject women into government and business on the basis of numbers rather than merit has meant some of the most mediocre specimens (women who were available because they were not busy achieving anything worthwhile elsewhere) into positions of power.

    I hope I don’t get told that is bullying.

  25. Rae

    It is common knowledge that Harvard employed Poco as a “person of colour”

    Yeah? No. My bolding:

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe found “clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools“.

  26. Top Ender

    He’s back!

    Former Labor MP and union official Craig Thomson struck off as a lawyer

    Former federal Labor MP and union official Craig Thomson has been struck off as a lawyer in Australia after three judges on the NSW Court of Appeal declared him “not a person of good fame and character”.

    Justices John Basten and Anthony Meagher and Acting Justice Carolyn Simpson today ruled Thomson, who held the federal seat of Dobell on the NSW Central Coast from 2007 to 2013, did not meet the “fit and proper person” standards for legal practitioners.

    Thomson was in 2014 found guilty in a Victorian court of 12 charges of stealing thousands in cash belonging to the Health Service Union between 2003 and 2007. He had been national secretary of the union. He was convicted and ordered to pay fines of $25,000 and $5650 in compensation to the union.

    “The evidence establishes, and we find, that Mr Thomson engaged in the criminal and contravening conduct … and that he was convicted of the offences and found to have committed the contraventions described in the judgments of the County Court of Victoria and Federal Court of Australia,” the Court of Appeal found.

    The Fair Work Commission, the judges noted, had previously ruled Thomson had contravened sections of the Workplace Relations Act. Between September 2005 and December 2007, the FWC found, he used HSU credit cards to purchase escort services and made cash withdrawals for his own use. He also used HSU funds to pay for part of his election campaign in Dobell.

    In September 2015, he was ordered to pay a penalty of $175,550 for his contraventions.

    Thomson was admitted as a legal practitioner in March 1995, but had never held a practising certificate in any Australian jurisdiction. In October 2016, however, he applied for a certificate, which the Law Society of NSW refused two months later.

    In March this year, the Prothonotary of the Court applied for his name to be removed. Thomson did not contest the move, stating in a letter to the court: “I do not intend to make any statement in this matter. I am not contesting the application and will not be appearing for health and financial reasons that saw me not contest the [Fair Work] application in the civil matter referred to in these proceedings.

    “I accept the position of the Law Society of NSW and do not wish to incur costs to anyone for this matter which is why I volunteered to undertake not to apply for a practice certificate for such time as the Law Society saw fit.”

    The three judges on the Court of Appeal found he had not shown himself to be a reformed man.

    “Mr Thomson has not suggested that the deficiencies of character revealed by that conduct are shown no longer to be present and that he has undergone a reformation of character sufficient to justify the conclusion that he is presently a fit and proper person,” they wrote.

    “To do so would first require that he demonstrate an appreciation of his obligation of candour in relation to that past conduct. Thomson has neither demonstrated that appreciation nor acted consistently with it.”

    Thomson has been ordered to pay the costs of the decision.

    Presumably there will be a televised whiney sniffy speech coming up where he blames everyone else.

    Complete Oz article – no comments, which is sad.

  27. Mother Lode

    Someone should tell the PGiC that Pocahontas, the real one, was not a Cherokee.

    Neither is Warren.

    Fuck of Semptimus.

  28. None

    I hope I don’t get told that is bullying.

    I am on record both on this blog (and elsewhere) for saying many many times that women should be banned from all political offices – local, state and federal. I have challenged people time and time again to name me one competent and effective female politician. I have never received an answer.

  29. zyconoclast

    With new caravan coming from Honduras, Trump issues fresh threat to cut aid

    President Trump on Tuesday offered a fresh threat to cut off aid to Honduras if a large caravan of migrants continues heading toward the United States.

    “The United States has strongly informed the President of Honduras that if the large Caravan of people heading to the U.S. is not stopped and brought back to Honduras, no more money or aid will be given to Honduras, effective immediately!” Trump said on Twitter.

  30. zyconoclast

    U.S. Has 3.5 Million More Registered Voters Than Live Adults — A Red Flag For Electoral Fraud

    Elections: American democracy has a problem — a voting problem. According to a new study of U.S. Census data, America has more registered voters than actual live voters. It’s a troubling fact that puts our nation’s future in peril.

  31. “There is actually a woman out there right now considering one and that woman’s decision will be made in the context of her own complex and possibly conflicting social, moral, religious, political and economic values.

    “We can try to put ourselves in her shoes but she doesn’t have our lives, our problems, our options or values or our experiences, so her decision is bound to offend or confound some of us, whatever decision she reaches.

    “So Madame Deputy Speaker, and for all of those in the house today my advice is to trust the woman. Trust her to make the right decision, trust her to make the decent decision and trust her to make the wise decision.”

    This makes no sense. Trust her in what? What moral criteria have you put forward that could help us determine that she acted ‘rightly’ or ‘decently’ or ‘wisely’? Nor do we see the same said re domestic violence, “Trust in the abuser to make the right decision”, or, “We can try to put ourselves in the abuser’s shoes but they don’t have our lives, our problems, our options or values or experiences,…”
    Joan Pease’s entire argument is a mixture of nonsense and feelz. How infantile can you get?

  32. notafan

    Sillier and sillier

    I submit that respect (for opinions) is earned not by right because of gender or anything else but for logic and reason.

    I have plenty of respect for the opinions of many of the people on this blog, yours however is not not of them, particularly because of your habit of putting people in boxes, and making stuff up.

    As far as general ‘respect’ that ought to go without saying

  33. struth

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe found “clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools“.

    Just recently, in the states, the left have gone from attack to defence.

    We here, still learn nothing from this, as the QLD parliament is told by a woman, that half the population of the world are virtuous and should be trusted because vagina.

    Seriously.

  34. calli

    Trust her to make the right decision, trust her to make the decent decision and trust her to make the wise decision.

    I don’t need do do any “trusting”. The right, decent and wise decision is to continue the pregnancy.

  35. Stimpson J. Cat

    You just said “women” let this guy win. “Women” is inclusive of all women. And on that basis, like all inclusivists, you were wrong.

    Why are you so f$cking stupid?
    Of course women let him win.
    Women didn’t have to let him compete, but they did.
    How does this change the fact that you wanted a Male Women’s Cycling Champion, rather than a Female one?

  36. Mark from Melbourne

    New Fred >>>

  37. Mother Lode

    the average cuts black and Latino families will receive.

    Better a tax cut than an increase in welfare.

    Only one of them is a reward for effort and a source of pride.

  38. Top Ender

    Elizabeth Warren’s DNA shows she is as Native American as most whites

    “Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Heritage” is the title of a new campaign video promoting the senior senator from Massachusetts. Ms. Warren, a former Harvard law professor, is claiming vindication after presenting the results of a genetic test which appears to show she likely has more of a claim to Native American heritage — but perhaps less of a claim — than the average white person in the United States.

    The likely 2020 Democratic presidential candidate has been trying to find some way to respond to questions about her longtime claim of Native American heritage given that her family doesn’t belong to a tribe.

    “Warren provided a sample of her DNA to a private lab in Georgia in August, according to one of the senator’s aides,” says a report today by Annie Linskey in the Boston Globe. But the senator sought a judgment on the results from Carlos Bustamante, a professor of biomedical data science at Stanford. Writes Ms Linskey: “Warren didn’t use a commercial service, but Bustamante is on the scientific advisory board for Ancestry, which provides commercial DNA tests. He’s also consulted on a project for 23andMe, another major DNA testing company”.

    Warren said she was committed to releasing the report regardless of the results. However, Warren’s aides would not say whether she or any of her three siblings had previously done a commercial DNA test that would have provided them with some assurance about Bustamante’s analysis.

    This column doesn’t find it odd that the senator didn’t want to rely on analysis performed by a commercial firm given her hostility to commerce generally. In any case here’s Professor Bustamante’s conclusion after studying the Warren test results: “While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago”.

    This suggests that the senator is somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. A 2014 news account seems to provide useful context. “In recent years geneticists have been uncovering new evidence about our shared heritage, and last week a team of scientists published the biggest genetic profile of the United States to date, based on a study of 160,000 people,” reported Carl Zimmer in the New York Times. Mr Zimmer added: “The researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 per cent European, .19 per cent African, and .18 Native American”.

    These broad estimates masked wide variation among individuals. Based on their sample, the researchers estimated that over six million European-Americans have some African ancestry. As many as five million have genomes that are at least 1 per cent Native American in origin.

    At least according to the report from Professor Bustamante, it’s possible that Sen. Warren has far less than one per cent Native American ancestry, and that her genetic makeup is perhaps similar to that of the average white person in the US. Could this create a problem for the senator both among those who have never claimed minority status and those who believe they clearly deserve it? Ms Warren’s Senate re-election campaign is now rolling out testimonials from academic colleagues who say she never benefited from her identification as a Native American. The Boston Globe’s Ms Linskey has previously reported on Ms Warren’s various racial claims:

    • In 1984, she contributed five recipes to a Native American cookbook entitled “Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes From Families of the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.” In the book, which was edited by her cousin and unearthed during her 2012 campaign by the Boston Herald, her name is listed as “Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee.”

    • Ms Warren also listed herself as a minority in a legal directory published by the Association of American Law Schools from 1986 to 1995. She’s never provided a clear answer on why she stopped self-identifying.

    • She was also listed as a Native American in federal forms filed by the law schools at Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania where she worked.

    • And in 1996, as Harvard Law School was being criticised for lacking diversity, a spokesman for the law school told the Harvard Crimson that Ms Warren was Native American.

    Given the Bustamante analysis, Ms Warren might have chosen to acknowledge that her claims of minority status were a stretch. But she’s instead decided to present it as vindication, even demanding on Twitter that the President donate $1 million to something called the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center.

    At a speech in July, Mr Trump discussed the possibility of debating Senator Warren in the 2020 campaign. Mr Trump said that “in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage“ he would toss a DNA testing kit her way and say: “I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favourite charity if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”

    One could argue that the President didn’t actually make the offer but instead described a hypothetical scenario. Yet by demanding a Trump payment Senator Warren clearly seems to be asserting that she is “an Indian.”

    Before facing President Trump in a 2020 debate, Sen. Warren will first need to win over the Democrats who vote in presidential primaries. If these voters accept her as a Native American then logically it suggests that most if not all Americans can also claim to be members of groups that have historically suffered discrimination. We’re all minorities now?

    It would be wonderful if politicians decided to stop separating Americans by race but doubts Ms Warren can sell this to Democratic party activists.

    The Wall St Journal

    I’m an American Indian and so is my wife.

    Also Latvian.

    And an Apache if it means I can get a share of their casino money.

    Oz with comments open.

  39. Confused Old Misfit

    The average annual tax cut received by white households, $2,020, is more than double the average cuts black and Latino families will receive. Asian families, who have the highest average income of any group, will receive the highest average tax cut, at $2,560.

    That’s what happens when you create a culture of single mothers living on government handouts impregnated by multiple drug dealing “baby-daddies” with unreported incomes.

  40. calli

    wamen people are generally vain, self centered, selfish and manipulative, that we can trust.

    Fixed.

  41. notafan

    Name me one competent and effective male politician

    also Margaret Thatcher Golda Meir

    by the by I am on record as being happy to abandon the vote if the ninny balance is predominately female

    I am not in a competition to say women are better than men at men things

    not in the five years I have been active here could that claim be levelled at me.

  42. jupes

    Fuck off Rae you pathetic fuckwit.

    Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

    As I noted yesterday afternoon, back in 1997, Harvard Law School was touting Elizabeth Warren as their first “woman of color” law professor.

    But hey, President Trump provided no proof of his claims according to the ABC and Rae just continued beclowning himself.

  43. jupes

    Name me one competent and effective male politician

    President Donald J Trump.

  44. Mother Lode

    I am on record both on this blog (and elsewhere) for saying many many times that women should be banned from all political offices – local, state and federal.

    I don’t think women should be banned, but in order to make up the numbers so they can achieve outcomes faster than a considered effective process they have scooped up all manner of gunk from the bottom of the sewers.

    Clean out the morons and let intelligent mentally balanced women percolate through organisations in their own time .

  45. struth

    I am on record both on this blog (and elsewhere) for saying many many times that women should be banned from all political offices – local, state and federal. I have challenged people time and time again to name me one competent and effective female politician. I have never received an answer.

    Margaret Thatcher.
    However you fail to see that the reason we need to have a good look at what this experiment has generally led to, is because of the same characteristics you are personally exhibiting on this blog.

    That is one where, no matter how intelligent the woman is, and you are intelligent None, your emotions and female hysteria fail you when crunch time comes.
    Margaret Thatcher rose to greatness because she did not succumb to it.

    Notafan can’t stand me, yet I believe she has control of this emotional garbage, from what I have seen.
    She has good men around her.
    And Calli and many right wing women (who obviously have good men around them) can control it.
    Sharri Markson cannot, and neither can Credlin.
    She is trying too hard and would crumble confronted with a real right winger, and somebody who wouldn’t back off.
    Silly girl.
    I observe these things, as men do.
    Just call it men’s intuition.

  46. Dover Beach:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCrJleggrI

    There is little tolerance for those who won’t commit, and part-time, shared or flexible work doesn’t exist. The problem is made worse by the push to complete projects on time and within budget, with no recognition by clients, including government, of the effects of these demands on the workforce or gender equality.

    that is so incredibly laughable

    Beyond parody. Really.

    It’s a continuation of this gem, the utter confusion between cause and effect, goals and methods.

  47. Rae

    Someone should tell the PGiC that Pocahontas, the real one, was not a Cherokee.

    Neither is Warren.

    Fatal collision on Mother Lode Drive.

    a suspected drunk driver arrested following a two-vehicle crash on Mother Lode Drive.

    According to Placerville CHP, at approximately 11:20 p.m. Adam Elias Lara, 35, of Rescue was driving a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee

  48. Shy Ted

    If she wins Wentworth I don’t think Dr Kerryn will stay long in politics. She’d miss the mammograms and pap smears too much.

  49. None

    Struth – if you are as you claim to be, a married man, then you need to consider whether your obsession with me is healthy. You might also be very very grateful that you have never met me and that I have no desire to ever come across you in real life. I send my sympathy to your poor battered wife.

  50. C.L.

    The Ephrem in the anecdote attempted to put her down merely on the basis of status/authority.

    Put her down? I thought you avoided sentimentalist claptrap.
    He reproached her for whoring and attempting to harm his soul.

  51. struth

    Struth – if you are as you claim to be, a married man, then you need to consider whether your obsession with me is healthy. You might also be very very grateful that you have never met me and that I have no desire to ever come across you in real life. I send my sympathy to your poor battered wife.

    It has nothing to do with you, None.
    It has to do with what you said and making an example of you.

    The battered wife comment at the end of your statement, again shows that uncalled for idiocy and bitchyiness of female hysteria.

    You are own goaling everywhere now.

    It is this stuff, ( I am not talking to you here, none, but everyone else) that shows us what we have done regards voting rights.

  52. Shy Ted

    Women in construction: goverment can do more to shake up the ‘boys club’ By Natalie Galea and Abigail Powell
    Do not marry or accidentally impregnate either of these women

  53. Gab

    Yeah, I get the Adam reference. Still doesn’t make sense.
    She’s the wrongdoer, there to do evil. In her mouth, Scriptural rejoinders are serpentine pretense.

    Diabolus non abscondam cauda eius.

  54. JC

    I just figured. Trump is like and talks like regular traders in a trading room. None of the stuff he comes up with is new. It’s funny because it’s going out to the world.

    Just chatting with an old trader buddy in NY and he agrees.

  55. Shy Ted

    No, Stormy! How could you? I thought you were a nice girl, just presidents and stuff…

  56. JC

    I would have stuck Trump in the cable seat. Cable is pounds sterling.

  57. Ted,
    Looking at the first profile I am reminded of the great Mel Brooks & his famous ‘oh a bullshitter’
    sorry no link – youtube is broken.

  58. Boambee John

    A 2018 comprehensive review by The Boston Globe fo

    Not sure who posted this originally, but, The Boston Globe!! LOL!

  59. stackja

    2GB Adam Ant soundbite saying children dying on Nauru. Later withdrew comment. Greens created the problem.

  60. rickw

    Do not marry or accidentally impregnate either of these women

    I’m trying to imagine scenarios under which either of those things might happen, I’ve still got nuthin. Alcohol doesn’t work, you die of alcohol poisoning before you get there.

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