Monday Forum: October 15, 2018

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  1. John Constantine

    Bright and shiny new.

  2. Hay Stockard

    I’m taking the fifth

  3. Hay Stockard

    Whoops sorry.and six and seven

  4. Hay Stockard

    Whoops sorry. Six and seven too.

  5. Rafe

    Hey i expected this on the hour maybe 12…or 1…or 2.
    Sneaky!

  6. Rafe

    Stop crowding the podium Stockyard☺

  7. Pedro the Ignorant

    Praise the Lord!
    New Fred.

    Old one was clogged worse than a Third World dunny.

  8. Hay Stockard

    What is the “eye of the needle” that a camel would have trouble going through.

  9. Speedbox

    Old one was clogged worse than a Third World dunny.

    As bad as the squat dunny out the back of Ajit’s Indian Temple after ‘All you can eat’ vindaloo night.

  10. Atoms for Peace

    Still wet in SEQ.

  11. thefrollickingmole

    This thread still has the tangy “pine urine cakes*” smell, nice

    *despite the name, these do not taste as good as you might imagine them to.

  12. stackja

    HS – eye needle Gospel Matthew 19:23

  13. Baldrick

    It still has that new car smell.

  14. Carpe Jugulum

    Mainland Tasmania having blackouts

  15. Atoms for Peace

    Hay.Little gate next to big town gate from memory. Big gate closed at night.

  16. Atoms for Peace

    Carpet. Let them burn old forest wood.

  17. None

    Interesting how some of you think discussing the beginning of new life coastrek relevance to legislation before the Queensland Parliament at the moment is analogous to a clogged toilet. I guess we better get back to boobie pics.

  18. Steve trickler

    From the old thread.

    Credit to the bloke who captured this amazing vision and sound. And no commentary. This clip puts you right in the thick of it.

    Battle of Portland: Antifa vs Proud Boys.



  19. I am bespoke

    Just getting in before the histrionics crew comes back.

  20. stackja

    ST – street fight reminds of 1920s Berlin.

  21. struth

    ST – street fight reminds of 1920s Berlin.

    Just how old are you?

  22. Confused Old Misfit

    The Battle of Portland needed a few dwarves with axes to make things really interesting.

  23. Delta A

    Too good to leave on the old fred:

    Peter Campion
    #2839516, posted on October 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    Today’s letters submission…

    The Editor

    When the starting gate clanged open in the most recent running of the Prime Ministerial Stakes ScoMo seemed to stagger out of his stall and get lost in Shorto’s dust.

    He could’ve galloped away from the politics of division by refusing to villainise Christianity, (but not Islam), over “gay rights” in religious schools – but he didn’t.

    He could’ve dumped the twin saddlebag weights of the Paris Climate Accord and Snowy 2.0/Mo’ Windmills – but no.

    He could’ve sprinted to the lead by reining in the out-of-control immigration that is swamping our roads and hospitals – but no again.

    With the punters now calling him “SloMo”, he could still win by the length of the main straight by bucking off his Turnbull MiniMe and getting his 2013-vintage Abbott on.

    The stakes are high, will SloMo Winx it from the back of the field?

    (140 words)
    Peter Campion

  24. Buccaneer

    Just when you think the left has hit peak stupid comes the realisation that every benchmark is just a milestone in their quest for total control

  25. None

    Struth re yourcomments on the old thread about sky and Kenny. I really don’t understand why people think Kenny is a conservative. He’s a wet wet wet live at least in this present incarnation. He worked for Alexander Downer who is more left than Labor; He is a warmie; he only supports changes to climate policy is a vote winner not because he’s convinced the whole f****** thing is based on nonsense and junk science; he’s for a big Australia not even if he is against illegal immigration; in other words he just likes border control for the votes and the immigration ponzi scheme to hide the lack of reform in the economy; he’s pro gay marriage and isn’t exactly committed to staying faithful to his own marriage vows; he was happy to suck up taxpayer money to sue the ABC – and then appear on it while preaching to us how bad it is and yet never once advocating for it to be shut down. He counts people like Kristina Keneally and Natasha Stott Despoja as personal friends; he writes well but after a while he realise his opinion pieces are the same 3 or 4 items recycled over and over and over again.

  26. Leo G

    What is the “eye of the needle” that a camel would have trouble going through.

    The Nazarene was quoted using the expression in Aramaic. The Aramaic “gamla” could mean “camel” or to “rope”- rope made from course camel hair. The needle refers to the oak needle used to thread the cord that hung over a camel’s neck. A heavy rope would not pass through the needle’s eye.

  27. jupes

    Battle of Portland: Antifa vs Proud Boys.

    This is how it goes. The police vacated the field and let Antifa run the joint so the citizens took their streets back. Only then did the police feel the need to do anything.

    Good to see Antifa cop a good whacking.

  28. C.L.

    Sidebar surfing, I got on to this …
    Watch as beauty slowly, sadly disappears and dissolves into contemporary banality:

  29. jupes

    He worked for Alexander Downer who is more left than Labor;

    You mean ‘Clinton associate’ Alexander Downer.

  30. struth

    We haven’t a hope in stopping abortion legislation being changed in QLD.

    Abortion is terrible, but allowed in other states.

    When this country goes down shortly, the ensuing violence and poverty will have it’s effect.
    There will be no medicine on the shelves, or clean functioning hospitals.

    Politics is so important right now because we face the destruction of our civilisation.

    It’s happening right before our eyes.

    People are dying from left wing policies now.
    Not being able to stay warm in winter, cool in summe.
    Aboriginal kids are being raped and murdered and dying of diseases that have the medical profession doing stints in Alice Springs hospital to see sicknesses unknown outside the third world.

    People are dying in unnecessary car accidents on terrible unforgiving death traps called Australian roads.

    People are being pushed out of hospitals near on their death beds to accommodate a blackfella with a sore toe.
    People are being murdered by blacks in the NT and elsewhere because leftists have taught them to hate the white man and the west.

    Abortion is serious.
    But we need to look at where the fight must be fought and won first so we can have any hope of stopping the deaths already seriously occurring and that includes other deaths besides just abortions and the future deaths of maybe millions due to the destruction of our country and civilisation by the left.

  31. Antifa == Brownshirts

    They would do well to look at what happened to the Brownshirts.

  32. notafan

    Something about aborted babies and clogged toilets isn’t there.

  33. .

    I’m trying to look at this with compassion.

    https://www.intersexequality.com/how-common-is-intersex-in-humans/

    1.7%? Come on. There is nothing wrong with the figure being smaller or bigger.

    Do you call a freemartin cow “intersex”? What about anyone who is infertile?

    This is serious stuff; not garbage such as “I identify as non-binary (okay, go for it) and you MUST call me by my pronoun or I’ll sue or call the cops…[no, fuck you snowflake]”

  34. struth

    Peter Campion
    #2839516, posted on October 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    Today’s letters submission…

    Just asking.
    Is it a submission or did it get printed?

  35. I am bespoke

    Some rational talking points.

  36. C.L.

    In the news today:

    This week, the Queensland government will debate a proposed bill to decriminalise abortion in the state.

    According to the Parliamentary Committees report The Termination of Pregnancy Bill 2018 objective was to “enable reasonable and safe access by women to terminations of pregnancy and to regulate conduct of registered health practitioners in relations to terminations”.

    ——–
    Tasmanian man who beat penguins to death has ‘manifestly inadequate’ sentence doubled.

    A Tasmanian man who bludgeoned six penguins to death has had his sentence more than doubled after a successful appeal by prosecutors.

  37. Shy Ted

    I guess we better get back to boobie pics. Not necessarily

  38. Robber Baron

    The stakes are high, will SloMo Winx it from the back of the field?

    No.

    Despite Shorten being equally loathsome as Turnbull, he will be asked by the GG to form a government.

  39. None

    Leo G.
    That’s such conjecture. And it would imply that the Greek speaking authors of the gospels were pretty dumb to translate thick rope as camel. The Eye of the Needle is what everybody understands it to be: the eye of a needle. It is also a metaphor for a very narrow opening. So to talk the impossibility of a camel ( probably the largest animal you will see around Palestine in that time) going through an eye of a needle is just that. A metaphoric expression of impossibility. For the record the Jewish talmud has several expressions relating to things going through the Eye of the Needle:

    They do not show a man a palm tree of gold, nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle.

    Given that’s from the Babylonian talmud you can understand why the biggest thing going around then was an elephant.

  40. None

    Leo G.
    ImHO that’s such conjecture. And it would imply that the Greek speaking authors of the gospels were pretty dumb to translate thick rope as camel. Authors write to be understood not to make things opaque to their audience unless you’re into esoteric gobbledygook.
    The Eye of the Needle is what everybody understands it to be: the eye of a needle. It is also a metaphor for a very narrow opening. So to talk the impossibility of a camel ( probably the largest animal you will see around Palestine in that time) going through an eye of a needle is just that. A metaphoric expression of impossibility. For the record the Jewish talmud has several expressions relating to things going through the Eye of the Needle:

    They do not show a man a palm tree of gold, nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle.

    Given that’s from the Babylonian talmud you can understand why the biggest thing going around then was an elephant.

  41. None

    Leo G.
    ImHO that’s such conjecture. And it would imply that the Greek speaking authors of the gospels were pretty dumb to translate thick rope as camel. Authors write to be understood not to make things opaque to their audience unless you’re into esoteric gobbledygook.
    The Eye of the Needle is what everybody understands it to be: the eye of a needle. It is also a metaphor for a very narrow opening. So to talk the impossibility of a camel ( probably the largest animal you will see around Palestine in that time) going through an eye of a needle is just that. A metaphoric expression of impossibility. For the record the J–ish talmud has several expressions relating to things going through the Eye of the Needle:

    They do not show a man a palm tree of gold, nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle.

    Given that’s from the Babylonian talmud you can understand why the biggest thing going around then was an elephant.

  42. None

    Lol Ted. I’m so glad that all my settings are set to safe search and my curiosity never leads me to undo it. If I wanted to see tranny boobies I could just go to the local art gallery. (True).

  43. struth

    I may not have followed Kenny as much as you have None, however, he is always bagging “lefties” and considers himself a right wing type.

    But like all of them on sky, and that includes Credlin, they don’t have a bloody clue about the one thing right wing people get.
    How wealth is created.
    Freedom and effort and trade.
    And there is an unlimited supply.
    Wealth is not finite.
    Credlin gets that you need to grow the pie, but they would all be as stuck as Monty when asked if ten people paid the government 100 bucks in tax and five people paid 120 bucks tax, which group does the government receive more revenue from?
    As would the entire Liberal party.
    This basic conservatism, is unknown to them, therefore they are always lost with things like GDP, and that just importing people into socialism will cure socialism, etc.
    They’re about as right wing as my left ….you know what.

  44. Des Deskperson

    Last night’s episode of ‘Pine Gap’ did not disappoint.

    Plodding and obvious, and based on political and strategic assumptions that had all the depth of a TAFE night course in international relations. It also had a particularly bumper crop of sawdust-filled dummies for characters and tinny dialogue, even by the generally hapless standards of ABC drama. Examples of the former included:

    a feisty – she says ‘f**k all the time – Australian Deputy Director miffed because she can’t be the Director, because she’s an ‘Aussie’ and a women:

    an (again) feisty Indigenous young woman tour guide/activist/blogger who tells her customers that Pine Gap has usurped a place that’s been sacred to her people for – of course – 60,000 years;

    a mysterious ethnic ‘Aussie’ team member who makes cutting asides about US/PRC moral equivalence;

    she’s bonking an American colleague who looks like Barrack Obama but whose ol’ Afro-American Pappy – they Skype – looks like Steppin Fetchit;

    a self consciously ‘Aussie’ team leader played by Stephen Curry, an actor who obviously has lots of mates at ABC casting but whose range makes Bryan Brown look positively protean;

    the Director’s trophy wife, getting antsy and neurotic, stuck in the Alice. Will she root the sinister Chinese mining company man, or the cute young doctor who was last night confronted by a nasty case of domestic violence (white, of course), or both of them?

    And Alice Springs is clearly a sort of inland hipster Braddon (ACT), none of the drunkenness and violence we hear about.

  45. None

    I hear you stress and I don’t disagree without analysis. I don’t think we’ve actually had any politician who understands basic economics since Costello. I saw that interview with Craig Kelly which Bolt posted. He choked up talking about his Down’s syndrome son and how he recognises that you need to have a roaring economy to have the wealth to look after people like his kid. I suspect he gets it – and he needs to keep selling that message – and yet the f****** idiots in the Liberal Party want to get rid of him.

  46. None

    Stress? STRUTH.

    Stupid phone.

  47. H B Bear

    Mainland Tasmania having blackouts

    Democracy – good and hard.

  48. stackja

    struth – 1950s television showed many documentaries about 1920s Germany. I was born in late 1940s.

  49. jupes

    Politics is so important right now because we face the destruction of our civilisation.

    Yet the big issue in Australia from last week was the Tampon tax.

  50. .

    the Director’s trophy wife, getting antsy and neurotic, stuck in the Alice. Will she root the sinister Chinese mining company man, or the cute young doctor who was last night confronted by a nasty case of domestic violence (white, of course), or both of them?

    Of course. The whole thing is a doctor’s wives erotic saga put to the small screen.

    And Alice Springs is clearly a sort of inland hipster Braddon (ACT), none of the drunkenness and violence we hear about.

    Well, not so hip; and they do get it knocked out of them quickly. If there were less social problems, many would stay.

  51. .

    Mainland Tasmania?

    Yarra March or Onkaparinga March?

  52. struth

    struth – 1950s television showed many documentaries about 1920s Germany. I was born in late 1940s.

    Oh……………………………………..

    I think I’ll quit trying to be funny.

  53. Purple Heart for Des Deskperson.
    He’s taken on for the team.

  54. struth

    Immigration into a welfare state, grows government spending and departments and services which increases GDP.
    And sends a country broke.

  55. faceache

    The US has uninumerated rights (of the Constitution) such as the right to vote, the right to abortion(!!!), according to the Supreme Court. I presume if the SC under the Democrats will eventually have “the right to bear false witness against your neighbour”. Or anybody you don’t like.

  56. struth

    I used to live in Alice for many years and worked in Pine Gap for some of those years, but there is still no way I’d put myself though watching that shit, so, yeah, goodonya Des Desk person.

    We salute you.

  57. Peter Campion

    None
    Yes, it’s great to see Baanyard shaping up.
    Seb is a delight! They came for a visit a few weeks ago.

    DeltaA
    Thanks, appreciated, so many of these missives hit the circular file that sometimes I’m compelled to blurt them out elsewhere.

    Struth
    The letter that DeltaA reposted on this fred was only submitted today.
    I write to my regional daily paper every day and my region’s weekly papers every week.
    My strike rate with the weeklies is good, but I usually only get one or two a week in the daily paper.
    But, sometimes it’s about red-pilling journos…

  58. max

    Des, thanks for watching. I lasted about two minutes before switching over to the eleventieth viewing of Die Hard. Polar opposites. Die Hard crackles with humour, action, cheekiness and political smarts.

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    And Alice Springs is clearly a sort of inland hipster Braddon (ACT), none of the drunkenness and violence we hear about.

    Patience Des. In a future episode there’s bound to be a band of do-gooders, left-overs from previous demos at Pine Gap, dishing out compassion as they thread their way along the Todd river bed.

  60. Speedbox

    Plodding and obvious, and based on political and strategic assumptions that had all the depth of a TAFE night course in international relations.

    Spot on.

    I too watched the Pine Gap episode last night and thought it was ‘shallow’.

    A few days ago I heard somebody on radio describe it as an Australian version of The West Wing in that there was lots of fast-paced dialogue and rapidly evolving sub-plots in domestic political, foreign affairs and personal arenas.

    Bah, humbug.

    Des’ description above is accurate. From the opening 10 minutes where the Aboriginal ranger makes a snide comment about Pine Gap’s location to the various (un)subtle political comments and the juvenile foreign affairs/geopolitical ‘commentary’, this program was a disappointment.

    All that was missing was the atypical Russian bad guy and the scenery would have been complete. In fairness, the show did have some random Chinese although their degree of malevolence is still unclear.

    And Alice Springs is clearly a sort of inland hipster Braddon (ACT), none of the drunkenness and violence we hear about.

    Hahaha, yeah, I thought the same.

    I gave it a shot but if that is the best we have, I won’t bother with episode 2.

  61. struth

    What’s the conviction rate for rape when men are the victims?

    It seems from those figures, the younger the girl, the more likely they are to regret the deed the next morning, be in trouble with mum and dad, or decide being raped will make her a cooler kid in school, so there is obviously less proof that they have been raped.

    I mean that’s just a conclusion I draw from those stats.
    prove I’m wrong.

  62. Baldrick

    C.L.
    #2839649, posted on October 15, 2018 at 3:34 pm
    In the news today:

    Good get C.L.
    Penguins trump babies.
    Toilet!

  63. Pedro the Ignorant

    I sat through Pine Gap last night, mildly interesting plot, but as usual with their ABC, they couldn’t resist throwing in the odd bit if virtue signalling as Des described above.

    If anyone has been to Alice Springs, they would have laughed at the trendy bar and outdoor cafe scenes depicted. Looked more like downtown Portland Oregon than the junky and pisshead infested streets of the Alice.

    One of the American actors bears a startling resemblance to Barry Obama.

    Coincidence? I think not.

  64. thefrollickingmole

    a self consciously ‘Aussie’ team leader played by Stephen Curry, an actor who obviously has lots of mates at ABC casting but whose range makes Bryan Brown look positively protean

    Possibly the cruelest thing ever said about anyone, anywhere, anytime.

  65. .

    Did they show the Alice Springs K Mart tyre change – you know, if you get a flat, you get rid of the tyre and whack an old garden hose on the rims?

  66. Boambee John

    From the old thread, slightly amended.

    Reviewing tbe debate so far, I suspect that most here would agree that there is an unbroken line of potentiality from zygote to embryo to foetus to unborn child. There is also an unbroken line of potentiality from newborn baby to tot to toddler to child to adolescent to adult.

    I believe (hope?) that no-one would agree that it should be acceptable to break deliberately the line of potentiality from newborn baby to tot to toddler to child to adolescent to adult, without good reason (law enforcement and time of war come to mind), but simply for convenience. Why, then, would anyone accept that we could break deliberately the line of potentiality from zygote to embryo to foetus to unborn child without good reason (to save the life of the mother when otherwise both mother and child would die comes to mind), but simply for convenience? And even if some do accept the latter, at what point does it cease to be acceptable?

  67. stackja

    1956 Finch movie showed Alice.
    Gough had yet to change NT.

  68. None

    Peter – I’m so glad to hear that you are enjoying getting to know Seb! Such a cutie. I reckon you two will probably be just best mates. Best wishes to you, Peter.

  69. Mark A

    Boambee John
    #2839683, posted on October 15, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    From the old thread, slightly amended.

    Reviewing tbe debate so far, I suspect that most here would agree that there is an unbroken line of potentiality from zygote to embryo to foetus to unborn child. There is also an unbroken line of potentiality from newborn baby to tot to toddler to child to adolescent to adult.

    John, the way I saw it, the debate got bogged down and had been sidetracked on the issue and definition of what it means being “human” which is more of a philosophical question.

    I am against abortion bar a few circumstances.
    But I agree with Dr BG, I do not consider 4 or 8 or 2 mil cells as a human being, heck I don’t consider some alive adults as ‘human’.

  70. None

    I am against abortion bar a few circumstances.

    I am against murder bar a few circumstances.
    I am against rape bar a few circumstances.
    I’m against adultery bar a few circumstances.
    .
    .
    .

  71. struth

    I am against murder bar a few circumstances.
    I am against rape bar a few circumstances.
    I’m against adultery bar a few circumstances.
    .

    So am I.

  72. I am bespoke

    None

    No amount of kissing up will help you if you keep that up.

  73. .

    heck I don’t consider some alive adults as ‘human’.

    NPCs?

  74. stackja

    Leftists want to destroy non-state schools.

  75. None

    None

    No amount of kissing up will help you if you keep that up.

    English is not my first language so I often have some difficulty with idioms. You’re going to have to explain that one to me because I don’t have a f****** clue what you’re on about.☺

  76. Speedbox

    According to AEMO, Wind and other is producing 12% of demand. Must be blowing a gale in SA, Vic and NSW producing about 900+MW each of Wind and other.

  77. I am bespoke

    .
    #2839692, posted on October 15, 2018 at 4:49 pm
    heck I don’t consider some alive adults as ‘human’.
    NPCs?

    Non-player character’s is what gamers call SJW’s

  78. jupes

    Wentworth candidate Dave Sharma ‘appalled’ by treatment dished out to Malcolm Turnbull

    Yet remains strangely silent about the treatment dished out to Tony Abbott.

  79. None

    Huge wind storm in South Australia this morning well at least in metro areas. I am informed that the neighbour’s tree and half the street’s wheely bin contents are in our backyard.

  80. notafan

    But I agree with Dr BG, I do not consider 4 or 8 or 2 mil cells as a human being, heck I don’t consider some alive adults as ‘human’.

    Okay then, at what point are they human 4 million cells 8 million 16 million?

  81. I am bespoke

    None
    #2839694, posted on October 15, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    None
    No amount of kissing up will help you if you keep that up.
    English is not my first language so I often have some difficulty with idioms. You’re going to have to explain that one to me because I don’t have a f****** clue what you’re on about.☺

    You’ve been +1ing so many people I figured your seeking allies. It wont work.

  82. jupes

    From the link above:

    Action on climate change and the establishment of a national integrity commission were the key focus of a candidate forum for the seat of Wentworth.

    Two pointless issues that distract from the real issues facing the country.

  83. at what point are they…

    At what point does murder become mass murder?
    At what point does mass murder become genocide?

    Come on, numbers, I want the numbers!

    Qualitative concepts are usually not quantifiable.

  84. stackja

    BS says ALP schools policy outdated.

  85. But I agree with Dr BG, I do not consider 4 or 8 or 2 mil cells as a human being

    But no one ever argued that the number of cells was relevant. As I said in response to Mitch, All that matters is that we have a living human [organism] at whatever stage of human development. To have that is to have a human being. All that the DNA provides is a marker of an individuated human being distinguishable from other species, and, in most instances, other human beings.
    And to make an important clarification re Boambee John’s statement,

    Reviewing tbe debate so far, I suspect that most here would agree that there is an unbroken line of potentiality from zygote to embryo to foetus to unborn child. There is also an unbroken line of potentiality from newborn baby to tot to toddler to child to adolescent to adult.

    The only potentiality therein is only whether each subsequent stage of development comes to pass, since at all stages the zygote or embryo or fetus or newborn or toddler and so on is always a human being.

  86. Myrddin Seren

    In the background while The Donald is being interviewed by 60 MyNewts.

    That popping sound calli is hearing over in Colorado is more Lefty head explosions.

  87. JC

    Tacky, it’s not tacky, it’s a lighthearted attempt at joshing around and it’s a nice feel good painting too.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hangs-tacky-fantasy-painting-of-himself-with-gop-presidents-in-white-house

  88. None

    Thanks for the explanation bespoke. I can’t help it if you live in fantasy land.

  89. Delta A

    English is not my first language so I often have some difficulty with idioms.

    But you’ve certainly mastered profanity.

  90. Mark A

    I am against murder bar a few circumstances.
    I am against rape bar a few circumstances.
    I’m against adultery bar a few circumstances.

    And that’s why I tried to keep out of this, you make mockery out, for the sake of pure stubbornness, may I say stupidity?

    How can you equate, saving a woman’s life by aborting a fetus as a valid circumstance with murder or rape?

    The mind truly boggles.

  91. bundyrum

    H B Bear, i let you off with the 3 digits, now come on name these good ones.
    Jumping freds cannot save you.
    No chopping off any more digits either.

  92. cohenite

    Space chook and its alien owner should be broken up and prosecuted:

    Mark Zuckerberg Just Stole $315,000 From A Triple-Amputee

    Jeff Rainforth Right Wing News October 14, 2018

    Mark Zuckerberg must need money because he just robbed a triple-amputee Iraq War vet blind. Brian Kolfage joined the Air Force just before 3000 Americans were killed in the September 11, 2001 terror attacks that also destroyed the Twin Towers in New York City. He wanted to serve. He wanted to keep what had happened to thousands of his fellow Americans from happening again. It was his duty, he believed.

    During Brian’s second tour in the Middle East, he volunteered for a dangerous mission in Iraq.

    On September 11th, 2004, exactly 3 years to the day since the 9/11/01 attacks, a 107 mm rocket landed feet from Airman Kolfage. Instantly, he lost both of his legs just below the hip and his right hand.

    After almost a year recovering at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Kolfage walked out of the facility.

    Airman Kolfage continued overcoming the odds by going back to work for the Air Force as a base security manager. He also served on Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford’s Veterans Advisory Committee. Brian went on to enroll at the University of Arizona’s School of Architecture. He learned to draw with his left hand as his dominant right was gone. Kolfage graduated from university and was also awarded the prestigious Pat Tillman Scholar award.

    In 2014 Brian was bestowed the George C. Lang Award for Courage, for his fearlessness and also his selfless actions taking care of other wounded veterans.

    Today, Brian makes trips to Walter Reed Medical Center and travels the country motivating veterans & others.

    In the midst of all this, Senior Airman Kolfage got married & has two wonderful kids.

    Even with all of that, Kolfage wasn’t done. He became interested in news publishing and began managing pages on Facebook for news websites. He also co-founded a coffee company, Military Grade Coffee, which donates 10% of all profits back to veteran organizations.

    You might not have known it, but Airman Kolfage ran the Right Wing News Facebook page and had been involved with the brand for several years among starting others. That is, until a few days ago when Facebook decided they didn’t agree with Brian’s conservative views. The page had 3.6 million fans, and Brian was a major factor behind its new growth and revitalization.

    Over the years, Kolfage invested $315,000 to grow brands on Facebook. Facebook requested admins of pages to invest tons of money to grow and reach larger audiences for the brands he managed. Zuckerberg had no problem taking Brian’s money. But now Zuckerberg & Facebook decided they couldn’t allow the popular conservative page to get in the way of the 2018 mid term elections after it became a pivotal part of President Trumps 2016 upset to Hillary Clinton. Facebook headed up by Zuckerberg used a well planned opportunity to take out actual bad pages and lumped in Airman Kolfage’s conservative network.

    They robbed him blind, they did him dirty. They took $315,000 from his company rolled it up and laughed at his sacrifice. This was purely political, they attacked his personally. But Facebook made one fatal flaw, they underestimated the power of a triple amputee veteran. The underestimated the huge PR mess they are about to be slapped with when trump has Airman Kolfage in his oval office in front of the media, they underestimated the will power of veteran who lost so much.

    Airman Kolfage wrote that because of Facebook’s actions:

    “My income as a father and husband is threatened.

    This isn’t the right to free speech I gave my legs and arm to defend. Three limbs wasn’t enough for some … now my livelihood is gone with it.

    It is true: I have been managing the Right Wing News Facebook page, and have been involved with the brand for many years.

    And just today, Facebook took down our Facebook page, cutting off all contact we had with the millions of people who signed up to follow us, the millions of people who liked what we were sharing online.

    I took over managing the page when John Hawkins decided to step aside to pursue other endeavors. John and I have a great relationship and I was honored to have the torch passed down to me. We had a coveted, verified blue check mark 3.5 Million fans, and I invested over $300,000 in ads at Facebook’s own request, nearly begging us to spend spend spend just to reach our fans … whom they kept making more difficult to reach with every passing year.

    Never once did Facebook come to us to say there was any issue with Right Wing News or our other pages. Never. But they sure loved taking our money.

    We did run multiple Facebook pages; Facebook allows businesses to have more than one page, and we did own them and had them for years. We were not “spamming,” we were not using fake accounts, we were not doing anything “wrong” … except we supported President Trump, and apparently that’s not allowed.

    Facebook also deleted my other business page. I own a coffee company called Military Grade Coffee company. We don’t post politics, we sell coffee and support veteran charities.

    Facebook is maliciously attacking my way of life because of my beliefs, and they don’t care.

    What Facebook has done is illegal. It’s a malicious coordinated attacked on everything I fought for and everything generations of Americans fought for. And this is exactly why a Facebook Engineer making 6 figures a year walked out and quit his job today, over the assault on conservative beliefs within his former company.

    The New York Times even stated that Facebook made this calculated move to silence thousands of voices (and millions of forwarded messages) because of the upcoming midterm elections.”

    I’ve known Brian for years and had the pleasure of working with him on several projects. As the editor of Right Wing News, I saw how hard he worked to manage the Facebook page, and to ensure it grew in popularity. He is a tireless worker, and extremely proud of what he has accomplished for others on social media. And now Zuckerberg & his company, Facebook, have robbed him of it & his investments. I mean, they even took down his coffee company page. That’s some serious hatred for the man right there. Facebook is literally stripping him of his means to provide for his family. Didn’t he give enough for his country, not to mention, to Facebook? He overcame odds most in this world will never experience, only to be ripped off by Zuckerberg????

    That’s a GD shame.

  93. notafan

    At what point does murder become mass murder?
    At what point does mass murder become genocide?

    That simply isn’t analogous

    If a human isn’t human at conception it must be something else and the person making the argument must be able to pinpoint when exactly that ‘clump of cells’ becomes human.

    I want facts not feelz

  94. cohenite

    Forgot to attach a photo of the vet being prosecuted by suckerberg: with his family:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156007716054370&set=a.10150149146444370&type=3&theater

    Amazing guy.

  95. notafan

    How can you equate, saving a woman’s life by aborting a fetus as a valid circumstance with murder or rape?

    How many times have we discussed the doctrine of double effect?

    as a purported Catholic I would expect you to know something about it

  96. JC

    West Texas crude is selling at just under US$72 in the futures market. Last Friday, crude selling in continental western Canada was going for 20 buck a barrel. The pipelines are full and there’s not enough capacity to get it out of there.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-11/canadian-crude-slumps-below-20-as-pipeline-bottlenecks-bite?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social

  97. How can you equate, saving a woman’s life by aborting a fetus as a valid circumstance with murder or rape?

    It’s not that hard. X is taken hostage. The kidnapper, Y, demands that Z is to be murdered in order to ensure the safety of X. Both X and Z are innocent. What you are saying is that it is morally licit to murder Z in order to save X. That is what makes None’s statement on point. Your example either requires the child in utero to be guilty of something or considered something other than a human being.

  98. thefrollickingmole

    Left find a “new” old respected institution to plagiarize and diminish..

    St John Ambulance to let volunteers wear white remembrance poppy
    Move by first-aid organisation to change dress code welcomed by pacifist groups

    St John Ambulance is allowing its volunteers to wear the pacifist white poppy for the first time.

    The 141-year-old first-aid organisation’s dress code change, a month before the centenary of the first world war armistice, was welcomed by the Peace Pledge Union (PPU), which distributes the alternative to the Royal British Legion’s red poppy.

    The history of St John Ambulance is tightly bound up with the Battle of the Somme, the horrors of which inspired the red poppy tradition. Its volunteers died trying to save lives in the trenches.

    The PPU is hoping more than 100,000 white poppies will be sold from Monday. It believes the red poppy symbolises remembrance of British armed forces and its allies, rather than enemies and civilians who also died in wars.

    At least 30 schools have said they will offer white poppies despite previous accusations by Col Richard Kemp, an Afghanistan veteran, that the union was “indoctrinating children with a leftwing political agenda”.

  99. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2839720, posted on October 15, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    How can you equate, saving a woman’s life by aborting a fetus as a valid circumstance with murder or rape?

    It’s not that hard. X is taken hostage. The kidnapper, Y, demands that Z is to be murdered in order to ensure the safety of X. Both X and Z are innocent. What you are saying is that it is morally licit to murder Z in order to save X. That is what makes None’s statement on point. Your example either requires the child in utero to be guilty of something or considered something other than a human being.

    You are a master of sophistry, I know that, but it gets you nowhere with me.

    What you are saying and what I did say, have nothing in common.
    Do you prefer both, the mother and child to die? There are some complications in pregnancy that will/can cause that.

  100. .

    That Trump painting – it is okay and Lincoln is really the centre of attention.

  101. .

    Peace Pledge Union

    I bet that the Sovs. funded them until 1989.

  102. None

    Boambee, Dover has given one response to you but here is another.

    The potential argument is very common amongst people who want to argue against abortion. But it is easily shot down by philosophers and pro-abortionists because it argues that X has the potential to be Y and therefore X must be treated as if it is actually Y. Nowhere but nowhere except in the Twisted World of abortion politics is such an argument ever made that we treat a potential as an actual. You might be a potential dementia sufferer but I’m not going to treat you like an actual dementia sufferer now and lock you up in a home. (There are other philosophical arguments against it as well but I won’t bore you with that).

    Moreover the same argument about potentiality is actually used by pro abortionists to argue for abortion in that people say : well, if you’re not actually a human being but just a potential human being then it is ok if I kill you. So it’s pretty weak overall.

    Dover is right in pointing out that at every single stage of human development from conception to death you are actually human not potentially human; in fact your bodily remains remain recognisably human even after your death. Your body may go through different stages of maturation such as zygote, foetus infant etc. But you’re always and everywhere a human.

    If however, like Beaugan, and the potential is you want to argue that at one point you were not actually human but just potentially human, you have to explain to us what you actually were instead.

    Still if you want to make the potential argument to work you’re going to have to d demonstrate number of things first sinclufing dentity. A lot of people then we faults into personal identity but I just stick to basics. You can only be potentially something if your constitution enables you to be that something. In other words you can only potentially be a human if your constitution is human in the first place. A dog can’t potentially there assuming any more than a human can potentially be a rock lobster. And if you are human in the first place that you don’t need to get your knickers in a knot about potentiality, personhood or whatever. The intentional killing of an innocent human being is wrong ( and both pro and anti abortion people agree than an unborn child is innocent).

    I’ve over simplified this a bit for the sake of brevity and also because it’s a pain in the butt to type on a phone.

  103. thefrollickingmole

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/oct/15/coalition-morrison-joyce-coal-polls-politics-live
    Coalition supports Pauline Hanson’s ‘It’s OK to be white’ motion – politics live
    ‘Anti-white racism’ motion defeated 31 to 28 – but gets that many votes because government supports it. All the days events, live

    Derrn Hinchs liver burps forth some more bile from the bag its attached to.

    Derryn Hinch:

    With the federal election looming I’m starting to think that Senator Hanson and her former colleague Senator Anning are now locked in a race to see who can be the biggest, the loudest, racist bigot in their contest to see who can get to the bottom of the sewer first. That’s what this obscene motion is all about. It could have been written on a piece of toilet paper, which reminds me of that old story about a toilet cleaner. People were nicknamed Harpic because they would clean around the bend.

    There are all sorts of things behind this latest stunt by Senator Hanson. She’s using this chamber as a conduit for her headline-grabbing stunts. Remember the burqa? Senator Hanson knew or knows that this motion will not pass, so she even pre-empted the Senate during the last session when this didn’t get up. Senator Hanson tweeted a very clever line, dreamed up by I imagine a giggling cohort in the backroom, her line about ‘it’s okay to be white’, and then went public with it before most of the senators in this chamber had even heard about it. She tweeted it and went on Sky that night and published it before it was even tabled here in the Senate. I would say this sort of racism is not only wrong, it could be dangerous— (he runs out of time)

    Greens leader just offered to step aside and let a blind African albino esikmo with scabies and a bad lisp take his position?

    Richard Di Natale:

    It’s not just okay to be white in Australia, it’s actually a ticket to winning the lotto. It’s a ticket to winning the lotto. Just look around this chamber and see how many faces you see that aren’t white. Have a look in the privileged positions of Australian society, people who occupy these seats of the rich and powerful. How many of them are not white? Last time I checked it’s the privileged white Anglo community that are the ones occupying the seats of influence.

    The reality is this ‘it’s okay to be white’ slogan has got a long history in the white supremacist movement where both these clowns get most of their material from. You know what it’s not okay to be in this country? It’s not okay to be Aboriginal, because you’re more likely to die younger, to be locked up. It’s not okay to be an African person, because you’re more likely to experience racism. It’s not okay to be a Muslim, because you’re more subject to— (he runs out of time)

    exploding?

  104. I am bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2839720, posted on October 15, 2018 at 5:24 pm
    How can you equate, saving a woman’s life by aborting a fetus as a valid circumstance with murder or rape?
    It’s not that hard. X is taken hostage. The kidnapper, Y, demands that Z is to be murdered in order to ensure the safety of X. Both X and Z are innocent. What you are saying is that it is morally licit to murder Z in order to save X. That is what makes None’s statement on point. Your example either requires the child in utero to be guilty of something or considered something other than a human being.

    What that leads to both dying at least None will sleep well.

  105. JC

    Whatever happened with graphene?

  106. struth

    I reckon you can cut a finger off to save a hand.

    The finger has more than four cells and is human.
    It’s not a complete human.
    Neither are four cells.
    they are part of a human.
    I go with as soon as possible in circumstances where the mother will definitely die if the pregnancy is carried full term, but before there is a heart beat, which occurs fairly early on in the piece and way before a brain develops, I admit I could be wrong there.
    However other than the eminent death of the mother absolutely no to an abortion and absolutely no after there is a heart beat.
    With a heart beat there is a full circulatory system and therefore is not just in the stage of parts assembly which we often get rid of to save lives.
    Legs amputated are legs killed.

    That’s just the way I look at it and am open to be persuaded accordingly.

  107. Myrddin Seren

    Mark Zuckerberg Just Stole $315,000 From A Triple-Amputee

    I suspect that The Zuke, #Jack and the Indian dude from Google are sitting atop barely controlled declarations of revolution by the Soviets of techos, programmers and HR people that make up the staff and who will go full-bore Antifa and shut the whole show down in protest with the slightest provocation.

    Which could be really, really bad for the share price if the market works out they are mad millennial Marxists who will kill the cash flows for the sake of the Revolution.

    Something about riding the back of the crocodile across a river, I think ?

  108. You are a master of sophistry, I know that, but it gets you nowhere with me.

    How is this analogy sophistical? What part of the analogy doesn’t hold? Rather than making baseless accusations present an argument.

    What you are saying and what I did say, have nothing in common.
    Do you prefer both, the mother and child to die? There are some complications in pregnancy that will/can cause that.

    Where do I say anything of the sort? All I’ve argued is that we cannot deliberately kill the child in utero. I’ve never said that a pregnant women in serious ill health cannot avail herself of procedures and/ or treatments whose effects may incidentally endanger the child.

  109. .

    Wow.

    Maybe di Natale can tell me when Lotto is sending me the cheque.

    I’ll also make sure to tan up a bit, Stan Grant style if I meet the human liver eater.

  110. JC

    Maybe di Natale can tell me when Lotto is sending me the cheque.

    There should be generational deportation. Di Natale would be one of the first on the queue.

  111. Gab

    And Col Richard Kemp is right on the money.

  112. None

    Mark A
    Thanks for being concerned about the life of a mother. I hope that you are equally concerned about the life of any child she is carrying.
    Thanks to Western medicine there are very few cases where a woman’s life is endangered by a pregnancy.
    A coomon albeit still rare one occurs with ectopic pregnancy. Many doctors will advise you to get an abortion. Search intervention is drastic and can often result in loss of fertility. A pro life option would be to monitor the woman very losely because most ectopic pregnancies resolve themselves naturally ( and in some rare occasions a woman can even carry an ectopic pregnancy to the point where a child can be born). If complications to develop then and only then a doctor would intervene and the principle of double effect comes into play.

    This scenario actually occurred for a woman I know when her fallopian tube burst as a result of an ectopic pregnancy. The doctors intervened and an unintended consequence of treating her was the death of the child. They didn’t intentionally seek an abortion. One always intervenes in those cases to save both mother and child but that is not always possible (My friend was able to recover and go on to have other children ).

    A former treasurer Peter Costello can also tell you the situation with one of his kids where his pregnant wife was left unconscious with doctors telling me they had to abort her child. He directed them to attempt to save both and in fact they did.

  113. The finger has more than four cells and is human.
    It’s not a complete human.
    Neither are four cells.
    they are part of a human.

    A finger is not a whole human organism but only a part, as you say.
    A zygote may be four or more cells but it is not a part, it is a whole human organism. It may not be fully mature, but it is not a part, but a whole.

  114. thefrollickingmole

    He may be an old scumbag, but his hearts in the right place.

    Johnny Rotten.

  115. Gab

    Correct, Dover. Those four cells, which last for a nanosecond before dividing again over and over into more cells, contain the DNA for a human being. Not an aardvark. Those four cells – and nothing else – produce that great big lump of cells we know and love as Dr BG.

  116. Baldrick

    Jane thinks journalists deserve government protection to spread fake news, or something …

    ABC The Drum ✔ @ABCthedrum
    “Some of the rhetoric by people like Donald Trump, about fake news and threatening journalists and it’s spreading much more widely. It’s really important that western governments stand up in defence of journalists and freedom of speech.” @JaneCaro

  117. Mark A

    You are a master of sophistry, I know that, but it gets you nowhere with me.

    How is this analogy sophistical? What part of the analogy doesn’t hold? Rather than making baseless accusations present an argument.

    You made up a fictitious situation, against a real situations women facing every day somewhere in the world and made it sound as they were the same.

    They are not and twist and turn all you like , with zygote this and that, the end result of your argument is death to both.

    How is that going to help the potential human being? Not everything cut and fry, black and white in life.
    It’s fine to argue at the keyboard, quite different for the persons affected.

  118. struth

    So a whole human organism is four cells?

    I understand the miracle of conception and the splitting and multiplying.

    I take no personal issue with anyone regarding when life starts and when it has full human rights, so to speak, as technology and the modern world has thrown this conundrum up to our generations.
    I definitely am against abortion in all circumstances except when the mother is going to surely die, and there are nought but a few human cells dividing in her uterus, understanding it is the start of a human.
    To me, no brain no heart and to save the woman’s life yes.
    But as soon as the baby has a heart beat, then they are both in the hands of god.
    We can’t let our hands become god

    I often ask what god would think.
    Have you done right or wrong by killing off a few human cells to save a life?
    What would god ask us to do, when he put us on this earth with free will?

  119. Mark A

    PS and I stated, that in general I’m against abortion, not that it’s anyone’s business but mine.

  120. None

    What that leads to both dying at least None will sleep well.

    I’m a woman Bespoke I have a vested interest in seeing both women and children survive. And the women in my family and not petals to be patronized by ignorant fuckwits like you float around blogs like moralising drones.

  121. None

    monitor the woman very *closely 

  122. lotocoti

    like moralising drones.

    Says an absolutist.

  123. None

    The finger has more than four cells and is human.

    A finger will never grow up to be a whole human being. The finger is just part of a whole.

  124. struth

    I’m a woman Bespoke I have a vested interest in seeing both women and children survive.

    And men don’t?

    Now that’s completely sexist.
    Men have died in thei millions in was so that their women and offspring could survive, and it has been western men that have developed western medicine to the point we can have this discussion.

    Don’t spout that shit None, you don’t own this conversation because yyou are female.
    Far from it.

    Continue.

  125. struth

    in wars… I have a dicky R button.

  126. None

    Yes lotocoti. Abortion is always and everywhere wrong. Even an arch feminist like Camille Paglia who supports abortion on demand at any time right up until the time of birth, openly concedes that abortion is killing and that there is no moral justification for abortion. At least she’s honest about what abortion really is.

  127. Delta A

    I’ve eaten – and enjoyed – pineapple on a pizza.

    Feel free to discuss.

  128. Geriatric Mayfly

    What that leads to both dying at least None will sleep well.

    Not last night she didn’t. Went hammer and tongs until this morning and then vanished. Nevertheless, the querulous one reappears, getting steamed up again for the night-shift .

  129. None

    Settle down struth. If you read the old thread you would know that I argue that abortion is a people problem, one that involves men, women as well as the child who gets to end up dead. I was just flicking off the f***wit Bespoke who thinks I want dead women and children.
    By the way if anyone has his email please check that Cohenite’s ok.

  130. Gab

    I’ve eaten – and enjoyed – pineapple on a pizza.

    Next you’ll be telling us you’re going to vote for Labor!

    Slippery slope, Delta. Slippery slope.

  131. Delta A

    Saw a suited man sans socks today. Oh, my goodness! What do the Cats think?

  132. I am bespoke

    None
    #2839746, posted on October 15, 2018 at 6:04 pm
    What that leads to both dying at least None will sleep well.
    I’m a woman Bespoke moralising And the women in my family and not petals to be patronized by ignorant fuckwits like you float around blogs like moralising drones.

    Me moralising? Your projecting.

    I’m a Dad with just as much interest in seeing both women and children survival. Not that it has anything to do with the discussion.

  133. Gab

    1 in 3 pregnancies end in abortion. 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce.

    What a fabulous society.

  134. Snoopy

    Jane thinks journalists deserve government protection to spread fake news, or something …

    The most pernicious fake news is deliberate silence. Has Caro seen fit to let her many readers know that Jamal Khashoggi wasn’t merely a simple journalist but was a Muslim Brotherhood Islamist pal of Bin Laden, a supporter of the 9/11 attacks and a proponent of media censorship?

  135. Armadillo

    I’ve eaten – and enjoyed – pineapple on a pizza.

    Im on that boat.

  136. H B Bear

    H B Bear, i let you off with the 3 digits, now come on name these good ones.
    Jumping freds cannot save you.
    No chopping off any more digits either.

    OK let’s go : Dan Tehan education (certainly an improvement on Birmingham), Dutton still keeping the country shoppers out and … and … I’m out. If Taylor goes medieval in energy after the Waffleworth by-election he can still make the team.

  137. Derrn Hinchs liver burps forth some more bile from the bag its attached to.

    Derryn Hinch is a bought and paid-for grub. Even more so than “cash for comments” Jones and Laws. Always was, always has been, and always will be.

  138. Geriatric Mayfly

    His barrister Kieran Snark SC said the treatment was set up to restore their energy. But Ms Rockett told the jury he had subjected her The Oz

    Dickens redux.

  139. Bruce of Newcastle

    ABC The Drum @ABCthedrum
    “Some of the rhetoric by people like Donald Trump, about fake news and threatening journalists and it’s spreading much more widely. It’s really important that western governments stand up in defence of journalists and freedom of speech.” @JaneCaro

    So has Jane loudly condemned the incitements to violence against Trump voters by several MSM journalists, Hillary, Maxine and others?

    Steve Scalise and Rand Paul might be interested to know her views.

  140. struth

    I’m a woman Bespoke I have a vested interest in seeing both women and children survive.

    This is sexist bullshit that is highly disrespectful to the sex that over the centuries of humanity has laid down his life a billion times to protect his women and children more than women have laid down theirs for men.
    And worked hard to provide medicine, comfort and shelter for his women and offspring.
    It’s really what we are put on this earth to do, and have been doing throughout history until you all thought you didn’t need it anymore.

    It’s absolutely feminine hysteria on show with that statement, and an undeserved virtue signal, and you should be one of the female cats above it.

    Don’t think you wont be told.

  141. I’ve eaten – and enjoyed – pineapple on a pizza.

    You mean there people who don’t have pineapple on their pizza?

  142. Speedbox

    Wearing shoes (particularly leather brogue style) sans socks is weird. Also, your feet will usually perspire excessively (creating other issues).

  143. cohenite

    By the way if anyone has his email please check that Cohenite’s ok.

    Thanks but what’s wrong with me?

  144. Delta A

    Next you’ll be telling us you’re going to vote for Labor!

    No, Gab, haven’t sunk that low.

    I’m merely trying to steer this exhausted conversation towards another of our favourite, four-day-arguments.

    Or we could go with watches for C.L. Jimmy Choos for you…anything!

    This topic has, yet again, ground to an inconclusive halt.

  145. None

    Instead of addressing my arguments Bespoke, you made false assumptions and pretended to know what was going on in my head. You chose to abuse and insult me by inferring that I take pleasure in the death of women and children. Who the f*** do you think you are? Do you treat your wife and daughter like that ? Not even caring too inform yourself of their opinion but just accusing them of the vilest of things? God protect your children from ever following your example.

  146. Gab

    Yes, I knew what you were up to, Delta and why. I was playing along.

  147. lotocoti

    I’ve eaten – and enjoyed – pineapple on a pizza.

    The remnants of the domestic pineapple industry thank you.
    (Having grown up on a pineapple farm, I can assure you that pineapple can be eaten with everything.)

  148. Pete of Perth

    Nice day in Hobart. Wearing a T shirt even.

  149. struth

    Women and children first they said on the Titanic, but apparently only women have a vested interest in seeing women and children live!!

  150. JC

    Gab
    #2839759, posted on October 15, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    1 in 3 pregnancies end in abortion. 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce.

    Jeez, 1/3 of kids are hoovered!

    This Ted talk puts into a sort of perspective as why human life is precious and should be protected at all costs. We might/likely be alone. The odds of the universe creating intelligent life ( sure, I use this sparingly with some of the noggins here) are virtually insurmountable.

    All TED talks are to a large extent feel good bullshit fed to lefties, but sometimes and inadvertently there is a spec of knowledge being imparted – even when it’s unintended like in this talk.

    The bald little doofus makes a decent case why we are alone , which I tend to agree with. But as usual he doesn’t make the point that it’s fucking humans who are so special. He goes virtual signaling about how the earth is special and why we should protect it. No it’s fucking not. The only thing special on earth is humanity which can now direct probes to the stars and receive feedback. An elephant or an octopus can’t do that. It’s humans and it’s humans that ought to have a sticker saying “protected species”.

  151. Senile Old Guy

    You mean there people who don’t have pineapple on their pizza?

    An abomination, like beetroot on a hamburger.

  152. None

    Nothing’s wrong with you, Cohenite. Just putting on the mother hat on and checking because I do things like that. Thanks for answering.

  153. Speedbox;

    Wearing shoes (particularly leather brogue style) sans socks is weird.

    It’s just another stupid affectation that idiots choose to do to say “Look at moi! I’m different! I don’t wear socks!”
    Well, bloody whoopee, dickhead.

  154. JC

    Thanks but what’s wrong with me?

    Where do I start and how long do I have, you idiot.

  155. I’m merely trying to steer this exhausted conversation towards another of our favourite, four-day-arguments.

    A bridge too far, I’m afraid, Delta.
    But it’s what happens when people confuse law and politics with morality and ethics.

  156. None

    Relax struth I was just calling out Bespoke for being a fuckwit. If you read my comments on the old thread you would know that I see abortion as a people issue and advocate that fathers should definitely have a say.

  157. Gab

    NO one should ever eat a hamburger without beetroot!

  158. Gab

    JC, link to the TED Talk is a no-show.

  159. struth

    An abomination, like beetroot on a hamburger

    I mean we can talk about abortion all night, but please, let’s not get started on no beetroot on a hamburger.
    let’s try to keep the other conversations light.

    And there is nothing light about no beetroot on a hamburger.
    It’s pure sacrilege.

  160. Bruce of Newcastle

    You mean there people who don’t have pineapple on their pizza?

    This guy.

    Hackensack man has eaten pizza every day for over 30 years (via Drudge)

    Mike Roman has only eaten pizza for dinner since he was 4 years old. He’s now 41.
    … Even stranger, Roman, who works as a teacher, only eats plain pizza with no toppings. He also typically goes out for pizza instead of cooking it at home.

    That’s true devotion to not having pineapple on pizza.

  161. Delta A

    Just putting on the mother hat on and checking because I do things like that.

    ..in between doing things like
    flicking off the f***wit Bespoke

    What a gem.

  162. struth

    Relax struth I was just calling out Bespoke for being a fuckwit. If you read my comments on the old thread you would know that I see abortion as a people issue and advocate that fathers should definitely have a say.

  163. Senile Old Guy

    What would god ask us to do, when he put us on this earth with free will?

    Pointless with an agnostic or athiest.

  164. jupes

    Saw a suited man sans socks today. Oh, my goodness! What do the Cats think?

    Poofter.

  165. None

    It must be a man for a slow news day because they had the pineapple on pizza discussion on local radio here the other day. Beetroot on hamburgers is 100% Australian and anyone who disagrees should be deported.

  166. An abomination, like beetroot on a hamburger.

    You mean there are Australians who eat hamburgers without beetroot?
    As well as people who eat pizza without pineapple?

    Gee I’m learning something new every few minutes.

  167. struth

    Relax struth I was just calling out Bespoke for being a fuckwit. If you read my comments on the old thread you would know that I see abortion as a people issue and advocate that fathers should definitely have a say.

    oops.
    blockquote fail.

    I’ll take that as the best apology I’m going to get from you.

  168. Pedro the Ignorant

    Saw a suited man sans socks today.

    They are everywhere in Melbourne CBD, Delta.

    Brown shoes, no socks, electric blue suits that look about two sizes too small, scruffy facial hair and *urrgh* a “man bun”.

    Tie? What’s a tie? I even saw a couple carrying handbags slung over their shoulder.

    No wonder the birthrate is dropping.

  169. And now for today’s weather report.
    It has been raining all day.

    Again.

  170. None

    Geez. Who let you out of your safe room today Struth? Get back inside. I don’t owe you an apology.

  171. I’m watching BoM radar as a storm approaches Barcaldine from the NNW.
    I can see the clouds splitting already as they head toward us, so they miss Barky and go north and south.
    Bloody rain.
    Well, someone else will get some, of course.

  172. You made up a fictitious situation, against a real situations women facing every day somewhere in the world and made it sound as they were the same.

    You still haven’t pointed out how my hypothetical is different in the relevant aspect.

    They are not and twist and turn all you like , with zygote this and that, the end result of your argument is death to both.

    Are you saying that we can deliberately kill the child in utero at any month if the mother is suffering from medical complications? Or only that we can remove the child? If it’s morally licit to do so in the child’s third month why not in the seventh? If it’s not licit in the seventh month why is it so in the third?

    How is that going to help the potential human being?

    The child in utero is not a potential human being. It is nothing other than a human being.

    Not everything cut and fry, black and white in life. It’s fine to argue at the keyboard, quite different for the persons affected.

    Which is why I take arguments to the effect that it is morally licit to kill an innocent human being seriously, as is the case re abortion.

  173. DrBeauGan

    If we pull out one of your hairs, Notafan, does that make you bald? If no, then we pull out another . And when we have pulled out the lot, then you are definitely bald.

    What I want to know is, exactly how many hairs do we have to pull out to make you bald? I want numbers, not feelz.

  174. Armadillo

    Sinc, you owe me “big time” for averting another Cat brawl.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/fullpage/americas-top-10-burger-toppings-infographic-23815935

    It’s acceptable to wear no socks with Volleys if you are swimming in a river. Other than that. No.

  175. Snoopy

    You might not have known it, but Airman Kolfage ran the Right Wing News Facebook page and had been involved with the brand for several years among starting others. That is, until a few days ago when Facebook decided they didn’t agree with Brian’s conservative views. The page had 3.6 million fans, and Brian was a major factor behind its new growth and revitalization.

    A guy who lost two legs and an arm in Iraq still has no respect for private property rights.

    Sad.

  176. I’m not going to comment on fashion.
    I wore a powder blue safari suit to my wedding.

  177. Pedro the Ignorant

    Delta A did the dummy handball re metrosexual men without socks.

    Top effort, Delta A.

    The pack ran the other way to the pineapple post. 🙂

  178. Snoopy

    I’m not going to comment on fashion.
    I wore a powder blue safari suit to my wedding.

    With or without shirt?

  179. Senile Old Guy

    Beetroot on hamburgers is 100% Australian and anyone who disagrees should be deported.

    My ancestors were shipped here in chains, so I will eat my burgers how I want. And my pizzas.

  180. Pedro the Ignorant

    I was best man at a wedding in the 70’s and was instructed to wear a chocolate brown suit with thin orange pinstripes and light brown platform shoes.

    I have spent decades attempting to find and burn all copies and the negatives.

  181. Mark A

    Saw a suited man sans socks today.

    many times I saw what I thought was, no socks, but if you look closely, they are wearing very short ones, the top of it just below the shoe-line.

  182. DrBeauGan

    I can understand the compulsion some feel to insist that there has to be a critical point when the foetus is fully human. And I can sympathise with those subject to this bad thinking who want to make it conception. But as with baldness, you are forcing a continuous process into a binary logic and seem heedless of the violence your legalistic obsession is doing to a sane model of the world.

  183. Armadillo

    I wore a powder blue safari suit to my wedding.

    “Fawn” not good enough for you? Attention whore.

  184. Pedro the Ignorant

    -copies of the wedding photos- Doh!

  185. Pickles

    Anyone know if Mike of Marion is still about?

  186. None

    This topic has, yet again, ground to an inconclusive halt

    No, this topic has forced some people to examine and articulate their position more clearly and informed others of alternative positions or critiques so it is not all a waste. Because these same people are the ones who will drive their MPs to vote for against the continual legal sanction and financial support for the Massacre of Australian children.
    Do the maths. About 100000 Australian children are killed by abortion each year. Calculate what that would be in your lifetime.

  187. bundyrum

    H B Bear chop those last three digits off.

  188. struth

    Geez. Who let you out of your safe room today Struth? Get back inside. I don’t owe you an apology.

    No , you owe men an apology.
    I’ll accept on their behalf, although I can’t speak for, or accept an apology for, the billions of men throughout history, now dead , killed defending their women and children, and I wouldn’t dare be so arrogant as to think I should.

    You are a smart woman None, but you are still a women, and prone to hysteria, as you have shown.
    Sexist hysteria no different to that of the femarxists of the left.

    This is exactly why, as even you have shown, we should have never given you girls the vote.
    You can’t quite see the forest for the hysteria trees.
    There are some women here on the cat that you would think deserve to vote, but overall, it’s just not worth letting the rest vote for the few good ones.

  189. With or without shirt?

    A shirt with a safari suit?
    How gauche.

    Mind you, I had a chest back then.
    With lots of hair.

    Height of fashion.

  190. None

    But of course Dr Beauga. So what were you before you were human? You could have the key to the evolutionary process. You seem so certain so tell us what were you. And if at one stage you weren’t human is it possible that you might revert to something non-human in the future?

  191. struth

    I’m watching BoM radar as a storm approaches Barcaldine from the NNW.
    I can see the clouds splitting already as they head toward us, so they miss Barky and go north and south.

    God is angry with the birthplace of the labor party?

  192. DrBeauGan

    On more important matters, I am going with Tel’s advice, but substituting Drambuie.

    I am not parting with even my most putrid organs, Death. Putrid or not, I like them.

  193. Baldrick

    Women and children first they said on the Titanic …

    Interesting aside from 1912
    20% – the percentage of Titanic male passengers who survived.
    75% – the percentage of female passengers who survived.
    22% – the percentage of male crew members who survived.
    87% – the percentage of female crew members who survived.

    In 2018 the cry would be “Check your privilege before entering the lifeboat.”

  194. Armadillo

    About 100000 Australian children are killed by abortion each year.

    Stopping it would solve the aging population and immigration questions immediately. If you don’t want the kid, hand it over to someone who does.

    Uh oh. I’m prelonging the agony here.

  195. Nick

    Trump says climate change scientists have a ‘political agenda’ and casts doubt on whether humans are responsible for earth’s rising temperatures
    U.S. President Donald Trump has backed off his claim that climate change is a hoax but said he does not know if it is manmade
    In an interview with CBS’ 60 Minutes, Trump said he does not want to put the US at a disadvantage in responding to climate change
    ‘I think something’s happening. Something’s changing and it’ll change back again,’ he said
    Trump also expressed doubt in the 60 Minutes interview over scientists’ findings linking the changing climate to more powerful hurricanes
    ‘They (people) say that we had hurricanes that were far worse than what we just had with Michael,’ said Trump

  196. Pedro the Ignorant

    Spot price of gold hits $A1725 per oz.Up from $A1645 on 1 Oct.

    Goldbugs happy.

  197. “Fawn” not good enough for you? Attention whore.

    Don’t blame me.
    I didn’t have anything to do with the choosing of clothes and stuff like that.
    Are there some men who get to make decisions like that?
    I did, however, get to say “I do”.
    And pay for the booze.

  198. None

    Gosh struth, not the hysteria argument again. What next? Are you going to pull out the old wondering womb routine as well? Do you know the actual history behind the whole hysteria thing? (Some of it would make me blush to tell strangers on this blog).

    It took us centuries to get rid of that nonsense. Please put those toys away.

  199. DrBeauGan

    But of course Dr Beauga. So what were you before you were human? You could have the key to the evolutionary process. You seem so certain so tell us what were you. And if at one stage you weren’t human is it possible that you might revert to something non-human in the future?

    I’m with Struth on you, None. People as absolutist and fundamentally dotty as you should never have been given the vote.

  200. JC

    Ginnie

    Pull your head in and calm down.

  201. Pete of Perth

    Was it a Pimp getting married Pedro?

  202. struth

    Do you know the actual history behind the whole hysteria thing?

    The ancient greeks coined the term ………..

    They were so pissed off with female hysteria, they decided to lift up each others skirts.

  203. Tel

    Stopping it would solve the aging population and immigration questions immediately.

    Reducing immigration might mean more young Australian couples can afford to have kids.

    Just putting the idea out there, I don’t know if it really would work, but certainly financial pressure is at least part of what’s holding back our local population growth. Would be interesting if people can check relationship of birth rate to tax, cost of living, etc.

  204. Boambee John

    Mark A at 1629

    But I agree with Dr BG, I do not consider 4 or 8 or 2 mil cells as a human being,

    A child is not an adult either, but as with a zygote, the line of potential development is present in both cases. My thought was that this argues against abortion for a “potential” baby just as much as the argument against infanticide is prohibited for potential adults.

    That said, there are plenty of “grown ups” who do not display an adult level of maturity. 😀😀

  205. Geriatric Mayfly

    She claims Bill´s affair with Lewinski was ´absolutely not´ an abuse of power…so if she wants us to believe the he was just a garden-variety adulterer then she has yet to address the rape charges brought by Juanita Broderick. But she is no common criminal-she violated top secret security protocols and should be in a Fed Supermax for violations under the Espionage Act. Their whelp Chelsea married Soros´s nephew-who managed to lose his investor´s money in a hedge fund betting on the Greek gvt…

    You learn something every day. From a comment at Lucianne.

  206. Tel

    On more important matters, I am going with Tel’s advice, but substituting Drambuie.

    Fascinating! I’ll be wanting detailed case notes for your file.

  207. JC

    This dude would have gone this fucking close to seeing his career go up in smoke.

    A women who interned for a company I worked for flirted with me on multiple occasions. At first I thought of it as her being just nice so did not think anything of it. We frequently had interaction as we worked on many projects together but as time went on I felt the need to tell her I was in a serious relationship. She immediately took the defensive and started telling other staff I had been hitting on her and she felt uncomfortable with me so she could switch departments. This may not sound like a big deal but for someone like me in my company can this can be life altering. Lucky for me I had proof from emails and texts as well as other staffers who were working with us luckily. It just goes to show though how easy it is for someone to allege anything on a person to get their way. Not saying it’s the case for everyone, I know there are real cases of work place misconduct and harassment. But people need to know, it goes both ways. There must be proof.

  208. None

    No Army, those facts need to be exposed. I actually think it is good we can have these stoushes on Catallaxy. People can always scroll past them or start up their own conversations on the same thread about something else. The more places there are where people can nut out their opinions the better. The quality of public debate in Australia over serious issues such as gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia or even taxation and industrial relations has all the depth of formica. Abortion does have an economic cost, a big economic cost on top of the social cost because it is related to fertility rates, population, immigration etc

  209. Armadillo

    Women and children first they said on the Titanic …

    About a hundred also missed the departure for various reasons (sudden illness, too pissed the night before or missed the connecting transport). Mrs A’s grandmother as a young lady was one (illness).

    Her “boarding pass” is still here somewhere, but it’s been misplaced. It simply says “White Star Line” and a number if I recall correctly. It’s pretty non discript. I found her “Certificate of Virginity” that Mrs A’s grandfather made her get before they married (she was 38 by then). Times change.

  210. struth

    Reducing immigration might mean more young Australian couples can afford to have kids.

    This could have the effect of increasing numbers of the old white settler race in Australia.

    This goes directly against UN agenda.

    Although now, all the bloody white kids are raging commos so it doesn’t matter anymore.

  211. Was it a Pimp getting married Pedro?

    You’ve got to be kidding, Pete.
    Being a pimp means lots of contact with lots of women.

    I married a red-headed, Irish Catholic girl.
    With a very short fuse.
    And a somewhat overactive possessive streak.

  212. I can understand the compulsion some feel to insist that there has to be a critical point when the foetus is fully human. And I can sympathise with those subject to this bad thinking who want to make it conception. But as with baldness, you are forcing a continuous process into a binary logic and seem heedless of the violence your legalistic obsession is doing to a sane model of the world.

    What nonsense. This is a terrible argument. It implies that we can never tell where the mother ends and the child begins, leave alone where the human organism begins or ends, because they are continuous process. You would simply never be able to draw a line. You cannot even sustain your original claim that the zygote was not human because if it is a ‘continuous process’, not only can you not exclude the zygote, but neither the sperm or egg. You really ought to walk back this terrible argument, DrBeauGan.

  213. JC

    Women and children first they said on the Titanic …

    Kids sure, but not sheilas any longer. They take get in line too now.

  214. None

    JC – just imagine that you’re wearing your prefect’s uniform and that someone just gave you a wedgie.

  215. Siltstone

    Purple Heart for Des Deskperson.
    He’s taken on for the team.

    Yes, thanks Des for watching Pine Crap so that we don’t need to

  216. .

    “I saw a UFO, but where are the aliens?”

    Okay, let’s say he did. His description defies known aircraft.

    Seems like a very odd sceptical position that invites less prosaic explanations.

  217. Tel;

    Reducing immigration might mean more young Australian couples can afford to have kids.

    Exactly right.
    There are three families in our street who would like more kids, but just cannot afford them.

  218. classical_hero

    Dillo, why are you linking to American sites when they have different tastes? Do you seriously think an American would have beetroot in their burgers?

  219. Gab

    No, Pickles. Haven’t seen Mike of Marion for ages. Hope he’s alright.

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    Anyone know if Mike of Marion is still about?

    No comments or fine music clips for a long time. His last few posts I recall, suggested he was very poorly, which saddened me at the time.

  221. Do you seriously think an American would have beetroot in their burgers?

    Yanks don’t like Vegemite, either.
    There’s no accounting for taste.

  222. hzhousewife

    Hmm – white poppy / white feather ? Pity, there go red poppies forever. Talk about re-writing history.

  223. None

    I haven’t seen Mike, Pickles.

  224. Old School Conservative

    memoryvault
    #2839819, posted on October 15, 2018 at 6:52 pm
    A shirt with a safari suit?
    How gauche.

    True.
    Wouldn’t happen today!

  225. max

    Saw a suited man sans socks today. Oh, my goodness! What do the Cats think?

    For some reason they are in numbers at the track during the Spring carnival.

    I’ve thought of calling the farrier over to give them a bit of attention.

  226. Fat Tony

    They could of at least waited ’til midnight……….

    As an aside, only sickos like pineapple on pizza
    (How about kiwi-fruit, strawberries, bananas….)

  227. None

    Suits sans socks has been a fad for sometime in the Eastern states especially Melbourne Canberra Sydney. It’s just the next step up from hipster.

  228. Boambee John

    struth
    #2839751, posted on October 15, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    in wars… I have a dicky R button.

    Nothing worse than dicky rrrrrs! 😀😀

  229. Hmm – white poppy / white feather ? Pity, there go red poppies forever.

    Yes.
    If Cats do nothing else this week they should take five minutes to send an email, and register their disgust.

  230. hzhousewife

    Their whelp Chelsea married Soros´s nephew-who managed to lose his investor´s money in a hedge fund betting on the Greek gvt…

    Wow, news to me also. More jigsaw pieces fitting together.

  231. None

    What? What’s with this white poppy?

  232. (How about kiwi-fruit, strawberries, bananas….)

    Don’t be silly.
    they are fruit.
    You don’t put fruit on a pizza.

  233. None

    Tomatoes are a fruit but you put them on a pizza.

  234. stackja

    Sussex baby due April.

  235. JC

    hzhousewife
    #2839861, posted on October 15, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Their whelp Chelsea married Soros´s nephew-who managed to lose his investor´s money in a hedge fund betting on the Greek gvt…

    Wow, news to me also. More jigsaw pieces fitting together.

    And they live in a 10 million apartment near the flatiron building. When someone ever talks about white privilege, you couldn’t go past Chelsea Clinton, who got into an Ivy league school because of her parents and has been an oxygen thief her entire life.

  236. hzhousewife

    Interesting aside from 1912 –
    20% – the percentage of Titanic male passengers who survived.
    75% – the percentage of female passengers who survived.
    22% – the percentage of male crew members who survived.
    87% – the percentage of female crew members who survived.

    In 2018 the cry would be “Check your privilege before entering the lifeboat.”

    I so like this, great T-shirt possibilities. Probably go right over the head of most people.

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