Wednesday Forum: October 17, 2018

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  1. None

    Yes pictures are good, Stimpy.

    And totally off topic because I don’t want to make another comment but everything is pointing to Barnaby rolling that jerk Nat leader after Wentworth. The Libs may be going down but the agrarian socialists aren’t going to leave the pig trough without a fight.

  2. Roger

    Right now in Queensland, the only thing between legislation that would legitimatize the indiscriminate slaughter of children in utero and its proponents is Catholic dogmatists.

    And quite a lot of dogmatic Protestants.

    It’s Qld, after all.

  3. thefrolickingmole

    Stimpy will like number 6.

    Zukerberg

  4. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look None, I don’t know if I’m interested in an ethnic immigrant woman’s opinion on Australian politics.
    Especially if she is not willing to learn the language and attempt to assimilate into our glorious culture.

  5. Peter Campion

    And totally off topic because I don’t want to make another comment but everything is pointing to Barnaby rolling that jerk Nat leader after Wentworth.

    Yesss!!! Go, Baanaby, lad. The little grey man means nothing when you have a bloke that, like Madonna, is instantly recognisable by one name.

  6. jupes

    Where are the wamens Peter Jackson?

    That looks fantastic. I’ll be watching that for sure.

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    I mean, I get it.
    You left your sh$thole and you want to make your mark in our wonderful country.
    That’s fine, but you have to understand that you really should be fixing your sh$thole, not telling us how to fix ours.
    It’s just good manners.

  8. jupes

    Australia in trouble again against the Pakis.

    Just a thought. If apartheid South Africa had sentenced a black woman to death for drinking from a white’s only cup, would Australia be playing them in cricket?

  9. DB, I deal in concrete cases and you work from principles. These are two quite different ways of handling reality. We both think the other method.sucks.

    You can’t deal with concrete cases without principles. You can’t identify the relevant act for consideration or what circumstances are relevant or irrelevant in this or that case without recourse to this or that principle.

    There’s not much point in going into it more deeply than that. You cannot conceive of not founding your reasoning on fundamental self-evident principles.

    Not at all. The principles are drawn from experience and reflection. They are then honed by application to relevant cases. And so on.

  10. Speedbox

    why is the AUD still so high?

    You probably won’t have to wait long. The $AUD is already at a 32-month low and looking vulnerable.

    It’s largely due to the fact that the US Federal Reserve has been increasing interest rates, while the RBA has left ours on hold. And while the Fed is predicted to raise rates multiple times (up to 4 times between now and Xmas 2019), the RBA doesn’t look like they’ll be lifting our rates from 1.5% before well into 2019. So, with US rates (currently) at 2.25% and ours at 1.5%, capital will naturally shift to the US (all other things being ‘equal’).

    But, it’s not just the difference in interest rates that have affected the fall in the $AUD. Declining/soft house prices and stagnant wage growth have also played their part.

    Recently, JP Morgan said that they see the Aussie dollar holding steady at around 70 US cents. But, but, but, if the US Fed raises interest rates again as forecast (by .25%) in/by December 2018, the Aussie dollar will slip past the 70c barrier and probably go to around 68-69c. (again, all things being equal). If the Fed follow up with further rises through 2019 to achieve their stated goal of 3.0-3.5% (being the normalised sweet zone) and we don’t lift ours, then low 60 cent range is probable (although this is definitely crystal ball stuff – too many factors).

    Beyond the interest rates, there are also any number of geopolitical factors that can smash our dollar if global capital takes flight and flocks to the USA. We are soooo small on the world stage that the ‘health’ of our dollar is not a consideration. Merely collateral damage.

    A falling dollar has the potential for both positive and negative repercussions for Aussie consumers and the economy.

  11. None

    Despite many years of fly I’ve never seen a sideways landing before

  12. Nob

    17 countries relying on renewable energy?

    How many if you take out hydro and interconnectors?

  13. DrBeauGan

    Gab
    #2842096, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:52 pm
    DB, I deal in concrete cases and you work from principles.

    LOL you don’t even deal in science on this matter.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html List of scientific papers.

    You don’t understand what science is, Gab. You want to use it to bolster your beliefs. Just like lefties.

  14. None

    Not at all. The principles are drawn from experience and reflection. They are then honed by application to relevant cases. And so on.

    I suspect bogan thinks that people of faith reason by opening a book and reading some instructions. This might be more in keeping with some Islamic Fundamentalist and the Quran but it is so fundamentally wrong when it comes to the way Judaism and Christianity have reasoned for thousands of years. There is a whiff of hubris underlying Bee Gees comments. One part ignorance, two parts laziness, another part of stubbornness and top up with pure ego.

  15. Nick

    Given the length of time that [email protected] have occupied Jerusalem before Islam was even thought of, I can’t see why there’s handwringing over what Muslim nations think about embassies in Jerusalem.

  16. egg_

    Anyone have Miranda Devine’s comments on a recent ABC Q&A that Old Ozzie? linked to (DT)?

    This week’s QandA was everything wrong with the ABC. … Jeffrey Sachs appeared on Q&A on Monday night to be fawned over by most of the panel. … Jones, at one point, reverently asked Sachs’ opinion of the UN’s IPCC climate report: “terrifying ….

  17. None

    I’m glad you piped in with your two cents Peter. I wanted to ask your opinion in case you had any inside info but I just didn’t know what the etiquette was with the in law..

  18. Rae

    A bit confused by why David L is trying to become a NSW Upper House member, other than his passion for gun rights.

    8 year term. He likes his snout in the trough.

  19. egg_

    Go, Baanaby, lad.

    +1

    “You can do it!”

  20. DrBeauGan

    Right now in Queensland, the only thing between legislation that would legitimatize the indiscriminate slaughter of children in utero and its proponents is Catholic dogmatists. We are up against both lefty dogmatists and their accomplices, liberal skeptics.

    And I’m with you on the goal, but you are regrettably going to lose.

    You can’t seriously believe that I’m supporting lefty dogmatists. I loathe the buggers. And not just for their views on abortion, although that too.

    I think you haven’t grasped why you are losing.

  21. struth

    We Australians who’s male ancestors fought and died to defend our home and our women and children, are respected by Australian men today.
    And patriotic women who also understand how the freedoms they have enjoyed came to be.

    We do not, as a nation take kindly to people and immigrants who show little respect for what they too, are now enjoying, on the sacrifices those men made.
    Example, Yassmin.

    Last night , None, you claimed ownership of having a vested interest in the welfare of women and children based on your sex, that of a female, therefore above men’s concerns, apparently.

    You obviously believe our forefathers giving their lives for their home and in defence of their wives and offspring, with you owning a pair of tits, is a no brainer.
    Your genitalia , not your deeds, is the deciding factor , and you win.

    Can you not see how wrong and disrespectful that is, especially to Australians who are descendants of these men?

    You crossed a line.
    I’m now pulling you up as an immigrant and asking you to understand how this nation came to be, and the fact that greater love hath no man than to lay down his life…………..it’s what they did, for their women and children.
    Women do not own what they do, and you won’t claim it while I’m around, based on the fact you’ve got a coupla funbags.

    We as humans must be judged on who we are and not what we are.

    Our deeds.

    “I am a woman and therefore have a vested interest in the welfare of women and children”, is a disgraceful thing to say.
    It is an insult to our forefathers and men generally, and I would now ask you to prove it historically.

    Show me the sacrifices equivalent to what men have made for you, children, (and me) by women, or STFU.

  22. None

    The oldies were invited here Stump. And Mr None can can vouch that I’m very well assimilated. He has like five hundred siblings, cousins, aunties, nephews second uncle-cousins brother-in-laws three times removed. No one notices my black eyes among that lot.

  23. Mark from Melbourne

    Actually, there were no end of IT professionals endorsing the NBN as a brilliant idea. Don’t know how many IT people agreed, just that there was numerically a lot.

    The only IT professionals I know (and I know a LOT) who were “endorsing” the NBN were those who could see a buck in it. It was always a very, very stupid idea. And it has not aged well.

  24. None

    jupes

    #2842105, posted on October 17, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    Australia in trouble again against the Pakis.

    Just a thought. If apartheid South Africa had sentenced a black woman to death for drinking from a white’s only cup, would Australia be playing them in cricket?

    Exactly.

  25. Roger

    It’s very strange, but I’m more of a Christian than you are… I’ve been very impressed by [Jesus’] insights into how to live, and I’ve tested them, and crikey, they work…I don’t believe everything Jesus said on the basis that he’s the son of God so I have to.

    I’m happy that you’re finding our Lord’s teachings to be of practical assistance, BeauGan, but I’m afraid faith is necessary to be a Christian. Just about every ethical teaching Jesus set forth can be found repeated somewhere in the world’s treasury of wisdom. It’s who you believe Jesus is that is crucial.

  26. DrBeauGan

    You can’t deal with concrete cases without principles. You can’t identify the relevant act for consideration or what circumstances are relevant or irrelevant in this or that case without recourse to this or that principle.

    Dogs, cats and even to some extent cockroaches manage it. They make quite complicated decisions about what to do, and not an articulated principle in sight. You need to have some idea of how they manage it without recourse to logic and reason.

    Logic and reason are very nice and I love them both, but there has to be something more fundamental or dogs, cats and cockroaches wouldn’t work.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    The oldies were invited here Stump. And Mr None can can vouch that I’m very well assimilated. He has like five hundred siblings, cousins, aunties, nephews second uncle-cousins brother-in-laws three times removed. No one notices my black eyes among that lot.

    Look, you keep talking but it really is just babble at this point. He is not the issue here.
    He’s Australian and Male.
    He’s not the problem.
    Everyone knows this.

  28. Mark from Melbourne

    The Marshes are less cricketers than Warren is an Indian.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Given the length of time that [email protected] have occupied Jerusalem before Islam was even thought of, I can’t see why there’s handwringing over what Muslim nations think about embassies in Jerusalem.

    Given the fact that the Muslim claim to Jeruselum is based on the claim that the Prophet Mohammed had a dream, in which he and the Archangel Gabriel rode to the site of the Temple mount, on w winged horse, met several prophets there, including Jesus, and ascended to Heaven on a ladder, I fail utterly to see why there’s any handwringing on the subject. A DREAM, FFS.

  30. Senile Old Guy

    Despite many years of fly I’ve never seen a sideways landing before

    Routine, especially in small planes. It is weird the first few times but you get used to it. Makes flying even more interesting.

  31. None

    It’s very strange, but I’m more of a Christian than you are… I’ve been very impressed by [Jesus’] insights into how to live, and I’ve tested them, and crikey, they work…I don’t believe everything Jesus said on the basis that he’s the son of God so I have to.

    Translation: “I’m not a Christian, I don’t have the first clue about Christianity, I don’t want to be a Christian because it’s just too hard, and probably not very cool the ladies, but hey I know more about what Christianity teaches then you do and I’m better than a Christian than you anyway.”

    Like I said. Hubris.

  32. Mitch M.

    Not at all. The principles are drawn from experience and reflection. They are then honed by application to relevant cases. And so on.

    In science principles are pounded until a revolution occurs. That is now happening in genetics, evolutionary theory(hints of Lamarck’s ideas making a come back), theories of aging, carcinogenesis, CVD, immunology has undergone a complete and ongoing revolution. The Standard Model of physics is under serious assault, thermodynamic theory is bounded, cosmology is ridiculous, the central dogma of biology(Crick) is now laughable, the standard model of the neuron is now a joke, the Hebbian synapse concept is demonstrably wrong. In science principles are honed and very often discarded. Take aging as an example. The current craze is oxidation and telomeres but who considers Hamitonian forces … very few even though the maths and experimentation hold good while oxidation was never well supported.

  33. DrBeauGan

    I’m happy that you’re finding our Lord’s teachings to be of practical assistance, BeauGan, but I’m afraid faith is necessary to be a Christian. Just about every ethical teaching Jesus set forth can be found repeated somewhere in the world’s treasury of wisdom. It’s who you believe Jesus is that is crucial.

    I never claimed to be a Christian, Roger. Just more of one than the dogmatists.

    I believe Jesus was a child of the universe. As are we all. I’ve tried having faith, but my conscience won’t let me. A clear little voice within asks me how do I know I’m not deliberately fooling myself? And I don’t. It looks exactly like buying any other brand of bullshit.

    I want truth. Faith gets in the way. I know you can call it truth, and you do. But I’m not fooled by something so silly and fundamentally dishonest.

  34. JC

    Lol, good. Now go out and make money on currencies with PPP. Like I said, for numpties like you.

    I have actually on a few occasions when the valuation appears to be really really stretched. Last time was coming out of the GFC, so that’s how long it’s been.
    The trouble with you is that you read things but never appear to understand what the other person is saying other that what you’d like to think the other person is saying.

    Stick to digging holes?

    Well yes and ought you do more of it, it seems. You have a lot of time on your hands 🙂

    With your Finance Major, you therefore are the ONLY person here with the right to opine on currencies.

    Except I never have gone close to saying that. It was you who decided to break into a light conversation some of us were having and start throwing beer glasses around because your view must be heard. Frankly, Achmed, I have zero interest in what you think. Zero. I just don’t care what your views are.

    GTFOOH shitforbrains. You are the fking clown who forecasted worldwide depression with Trump and megadeath with Brexit. Buy the AMP falling knife, remember that? It’s worth more!

    As against someone like you who always makes money, right? And again, make up shit about what people have said and continue to because you have a chip on your shoulder and therefore have to prove yourself all the time.
    You dishonest lowrent turd, I’ve said possibly 30 times by now that the first version of Trump would have been a disaster with his initial policies. And yes, it would have caused a depression. If you require an update for the 31st time, I’ll be quite happy to list them again. However, the deal is that if I list them you fuck off back to the Daily Stormer, which is obviously where you came from.

    And yes, economically Brexit has been a disaster for Britain.

    My average cost for AMP is around 3.60ish now. When its trades back over 5 bucks (if they do) I’ll wipe the trading chit in your fucking face, you expert.

    So much for your worthless forecasts, numpty.

    What forecasts would that be, dickhead? That the Yen is basically undervalued? Maybe it is. It’s the first time I’ve looked the index for about 12 months until now. I don’t know what your point is other than trying to start another stoush.

    Again, I don’t care what you think, however if you’re going to join a conversation, it would be good idea not to start acting like an unwelcome drunk tossing around beer glasses.

    By the way, I’m still waiting for your economic model in labor market economics and the rest. So far, I haven’t seen any attempt by you to expand on Scargillian and Kinship economics.

  35. None

    The Muslims’ claim to Jerusalem is relatively new. I can’t remember now if that was another Arafat authored b******* myth or not. But either way they sell it and it’s easy to sell it to Muslims because they only consider the Arabic version of the Quran as inspired and none of them can understand it as most Muslims are illiterate. Those who are literate can’t read Arabic and even the Arabic speakers can’t understand it because it’s a very archaic form of Arabic and even those who recite it off by heart don’t understand it they recite it as a sort of mantra. So they all have to rely on a few emails and basically just about anyone can appoint themselves and Iman and that’s how the cancer metastasizes. I know there will be Muslims in heaven but not because of Islam which is the world’s most repulsive religion.

  36. Rae

    The only IT professionals I know (and I know a LOT) who were “endorsing” the NBN were those who could see a buck in it. It was always a very, very stupid idea. And it has not aged well.

    I know a lot of IT professionals too. Every one of them wanted the NBN in its original form, Fibre to the Home/Premises. Every one of them still does. Almost none of them wants the bastardised versions provided by the Coalition Government.

  37. Baldrick

    Ooh look, lots of Australian Elizabeth Warrens. 1% and less.

    Bwhahahaha, standing infront of a Dreamworld sign.
    Oh the ironing!

  38. Given the fact that the Muslim claim to Jeruselum is based on the claim that the Prophet Mohammed had a dream, in which he and the Archangel Gabriel rode to the site of the Temple mount, on w winged horse, met several prophets there, including Jesus, and ascended to Heaven on a ladder, I fail utterly to see why there’s any handwringing on the subject. A DREAM, FFS.

    Unless, of course, we’re talking about an Australian politician discussing climate change.
    Then handwringing over imaginary things is a prerequisite.

    Evening Zulu.

  39. None

    Good oh Stimpy. What is your problem then? Maybe you’d like to discuss your problem with him?

  40. DrBeauGan

    In science principles are pounded until a revolution occurs. That is now happening in genetics, evolutionary theory(hints of Lamarck’s ideas making a come back), theories of aging, carcinogenesis, CVD, immunology has undergone a complete and ongoing revolution.

    Scientists and philosophers use language differently. Philosophers assign a kind of primacy to natural language, perhaps because they don’t know any other. Scientists often junk huge lumps of it quite cheerfully and then go off and build a different one. The interplay between perception of the world and the language we use to talk about it is complicated.

    Principles frequently do not survive reality. Nor should they.

  41. None

    There are IT professionals in my family. None of them wanted the NBN. We refuse to get connected to the NBN. Obsolete technology.

  42. Stimpson J. Cat

    Good oh Stimpy. What is your problem then? Maybe you’d like to discuss your problem with him?

    I don’t have a problem with him.

    Would you like him to save you from this conversation?

    Men can do that you know.

    Save women from themselves.

    It’s what I am trying to do with you.

  43. Makka

    Being called out for your woeful forecasts and your gutless behavior is upsetting you clearly, numpty.

    Calm down.

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    “I am bespoke
    #2842073, posted on October 17, 2018 at 5:30 pm
    Anyone no why Gary Orsum pulled all his YouTube video’s?”

    His channel has been under attack from the usual suspects. I think that it is okay now however you can watch him on Bitchute.

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/garyorsum/

  45. You don’t understand what science is, Gab.

    There goes the intellectual modesty.

    You want to use it to bolster your beliefs.

    Why shouldn’t a fact bolster one’s belief?

  46. Entropy

    It also is an issue in that aid requiring materials is not sourced through local businesses but shipped in from foreign countries. It destroys the local economy, or what’s left of it.

    This is true. It’s the fastest way to download porn or play Warcraft.

  47. I am bespoke

    None
    #2842136, posted on October 17, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    Don’t take this a as smartass question as I’m agnostic and never read the Bible.

    How does a Christen and a Muslim share the same heaven?

  48. Breaking! Pic of Stormy’ gynaecologist in training.
    Prompted by. Stormy’ tweet is hilarious

    Don’t laugh, Shy Ted. I used to have to do that with pregnant cows with prolapsed wombs.
    Only pushing until my arm was in pretty-much up to my shoulder.
    Yuk!

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    “Some of our best pastoral and farming land lies right on top of the Great Artesian Basin – which holds 6000 trillion litres, 10 times the water we need each year,” he said.

    And how many millions of years did it take to trickle in there, and how quickly could it be depleted? Parts of Mexico city are actually sinking because of over-exploitation of groundwater.

  50. And I’m with you on the goal, but you are regrettably going to lose.

    You can’t seriously believe that I’m supporting lefty dogmatists. I loathe the buggers. And not just for their views on abortion, although that too.

    In what way are you objectively opposed to the legislation given what you’ve said. In your reply to dot you said while prejudiced against it personally you would not presume to interfer in someone else’s affairs.

  51. egg_

    Only pushing until my arm was in pretty-much up to my shoulder.

    “I told you I was tight!”

  52. JC

    Speedbox

    The interest rate spread/differential is factored into the market and the street is aware how many times the Fed wants to raise rates and how we’re basically staying here for a while (according to the RBA).

    The dance floor is filled with people trying to figure out if the China trade war is serious and how far will it impact on their growth rate if any. If it’s resolved the next adjustment would be upward for the Aussie if the Chinese growth rate isn’t slowed. …. commodities.

    That’s my opinion in any event.

  53. DrBeauGan

    There goes the intellectual modesty.

    If intellectual modesty means deferring to ignorance, I haven’t got any.

  54. JC

    Being called out for your woeful forecasts and your gutless behavior is upsetting you clearly, numpty.

    Calm down.

    Fuck off. What’s woeful… in fact ….what’s pathetic is your fucking dishonesty. You can never have a reasonable conversation because you’re walking around with a chip as big as Everest. You big blouse.

  55. Death Giraffe

    New thread eh?
    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

  56. Roger

    I never claimed to be a Christian, Roger. Just more of one than the dogmatists.

    So language can mean whatever you want it to mean?

    Now that’s fundamentally dishonest.

  57. None

    Save women from themselves.

    It’s what I am trying to do with you.

    Thank you for your efforts Stimp. But I can’t recall requesting any help and as I have pointed out I have all the help I need. Plus you know, that saviour of the world? That job’s already been taken.
    Night from me now.

  58. DrBeauGan

    In what way are you objectively opposed to the legislation given what you’ve said. In your reply to dot you said while prejudiced against it personally you would not presume to interfer in someone else’s affairs.

    The key word there is objectively.

    You believe there are real, out there in the universe, reasons for imposing your beliefs on others.

    I believe there are quite different reasons for disapproving of abortion. One of them is the dreadful waste, another is a dislike for meddling with incredibly complex systems I don’t understand.

    You are as much committed to meddling as the lefties are. You just meddle in different ways.

    They copied your methods and are doing it better. They have all your terrible certainty.

    And you still don’t understand why you are losing.

  59. None

    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    Already underway.

  60. Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    Or we could discuss the pros and cons of ritual sacrifice of giraffes that introduce the subject to yet another thread.

  61. Makka

    Looks like China growth rate still hitting forecasts;

    China in line to meet 6.5% growth target: PBOC
    Officials say the central bank has sufficient monetary policy tools to deal with uncertainties
    By ASIA TIMES STAFF OCTOBER 15, 2018 5:50 AM (UTC+8)

    And yet AUD has still declined.

  62. bundyrum

    Makka, you are being unfair, did you miss out on the Sydney Airport tip?

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Plus you know, that saviour of the world? That job’s already been taken.

    Yes, again by a Man.

    There is nothing we can’t do.

    Women, on the other hand have had one major insurmountable issue since the Garden of Eden.

    An inability to know when to shut the f$ck up.

    Good night.

    😁

  64. thefrolickingmole

    Nearly finished reading a misery book ” The road to Jonestown” by Jeff Guinn.

    There is a surprizing number of current and has been famous “names” who were associated with the Jim Jones temple, pretty well all leftists.

    Dianne Feinstein San Francisco acting mayor at the time) dropped in to offer commiserations and offer to take surviving members to breakfast after the mass suicide.
    Jane Fonda& her husband thought they were just fab and showing a nice truely socialist way of living.
    Jerry “moonbeam” Brown, Cali politician.

    Yet somehow all the people on the “right” side of politics who promoted and supported a death cult walked away from it , can you imagine if similar had occurred with a Republican bent?

    Book is well written and researched, copious footnotes etc, and a great insight into how socialism always seems to end in death and squalor.

    Theres a transcript & tape of a fair chunk of his suicide sermon, if you want to hear/read real chilling stuff this is it.
    http://employees.oneonta.edu/downinll/mass_suicide.htm
    MILLER: I said I’m not ready to die.

    JONES: I don’t think you are.

    MILLER: But, ah, I look about at the babies and I think they deserve to live, you know?

    JONES: I agree. But also they deserve much more; they deserve peace.

    MILLER: We all came here for peace.

    JONES: And we’ve–have we had it?

    MILLER: No.

    JONES: I tried to give it to you. I’ve laid down my life, practically. I’ve practically died every day to give you peace. And you still not have any peace. You look better than I’ve seen you in a long while, but it’s still not the kind of peace that I want to give you.

  65. Tel

    And how many millions of years did it take to trickle in there, and how quickly could it be depleted? Parts of Mexico city are actually sinking because of over-exploitation of groundwater.

    Fair question, but could we deliberately funnel a lot more into the basin?

    Thing is most of the rain that lands in Australia (and there’s a lot) ends up in the ocean just a few days after it lands. If we could move that to some underground cave where it has time to soak in, then very quickly groundwater levels come back up. There’s heaps of caves in Australia (and we could tunnel out a few more if that’s useful) so redirecting rainwater should be a no-brainer. Something for nothing. The only question is where to send it (hint: not the ocean).

  66. Makka

    Makka, you are being unfair, did you miss out on the Sydney Airport tip?

    I have a shitload of their bonds. I’m never unfair bundy. As fair as Solomon I am.

  67. max

    Can one be ‘a Christian’ ?

    Surely you must choose: Catholic or not. If not, why not ?

  68. Peter Campion

    New thread eh?
    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    I tried that Arky…

    Peter Campion
    #2841799, posted on October 17, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    Yep, this smells better.

    Is it too soon to say “cluster of cells”?

    Got nary a bite.

  69. JC

    And yet AUD has still declined.

    Sure because, as I said, people are dancing around trying to figure out if there is going to be a concerted trade war or not. It’s risk off trading and the Aussie always takes it up the rear when it’s risk off.

    But let’s see you answer the first question ever, instead of pretending you have to inspect the hole. What hasn’t the market discounted so far with respect to the direction of US interest rates between now and 2019? What’s been stated by the Fed and for that matter by the RBA , that you think has been missed?

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope a few Cats read a piece I put up in dead of night on the last thread about a memorial in Milford Haven to working men who contributed to the town by years of hard yakka in the oil refineries. (one woman included for contemporary sensibilities).

    The families of all the men praised the men as good providers for their families and as worthwhile human beings.

    There should be more of this sort of recognition.

  71. JC

    Thing is most of the rain that lands in Australia (and there’s a lot)

    Obviously helped by what happens up north, Australia is supposed to receive more precipitation than North America. I read that once, but I’m really skeptical.

  72. DrBeauGan

    So language can mean whatever you want it to mean?

    Now that’s fundamentally dishonest.

    No. If you have trouble understanding my comparative statement, I can explain it to you. The problem is that for you, someone is either a Christian or they are not, depending on whether they believe Jesus is the son of God or not. Simple binary job.

    It’s possible to see it differently. It’s possible to consider that accepting that Jesus had some profound insights into how to live means that one may be more or less a follower of Jesus depending on how many of his insights one accepts. Using this perspective isn’t dishonest, it just isn’t yours.

    For you it’s about being in the right gang. I don’t work that way. I want truth.

  73. Stimpson J. Cat

    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    It is legal for Women to drive, it is legal for Women to vote, and it is legal for Women to have abortions.
    Which of the three is most dangerous?

    Discuss.

  74. rickw

    Only pushing until my arm was in pretty-much up to my shoulder.

    “I told you I was tight!”

    Trump / stormy twitter exchange or did I miss something?

  75. JC

    bundyrum
    #2842171, posted on October 17, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    Makka, you are being unfair, did you miss out on the Sydney Airport tip?

    George, serious cancer has a direct link to the the worst of the deadly sins – envy. Get yourself checked out.

    While you’re here. What fucking use are you at the Cat? Seriously.

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In my current upside down world I mostly post at night here, 3am to 6am for you, or while Hairy slumbers, as now, while I have woken earlier than he intends. OMG, it is now 9.30am and we have to make Cambridge today from Shrewsbury. Better get him up for brekkie now!

  77. Roger

    Can one be ‘a Christian’ ? Surely you must choose: Catholic or not. If not, why not ?

    The Catholic Church acknowledges non-Catholic Christians are Christians, max.

    Ever since the Reformation the

  78. Roger

    confession of the creeds has been the external badge of orthodoxy within the Holy Roman empire and its successor states.

  79. Mark A

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2842184, posted on October 17, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    It is legal for Women to drive, it is legal for Women to vote, and it is legal for Women to have abortions.
    Which of the three is most dangerous?

    Discuss.

    That’s a tricky one.

  80. Shy Ted

    When you marry a porn star and it doesn’t work out… adultery!!! Seriously!!!

  81. jo

    None
    #2842108, posted on October 17, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Despite many years of fly I’ve never seen a sideways landing before

    Paddy is landing at Dublin airport for the first time, the plane touches down, paddy is on with the reverse thrust and hard on the brakes. Just manages to pull it up before crashing. He turns to mick and says “that is the shortest runway i’ve ever seen”. To be sure paddy, but its also the widest. Enjoying some Ishiro’s malt wine wood reserve.

  82. Tel

    I know a lot of IT professionals too. Every one of them wanted the NBN in its original form, Fibre to the Home/Premises. Every one of them still does.

    And not one of them wants to be the guy who pays for it. How do I know? Because plenty of (expensive) fiber was available BEFORE the NBN came along and if your guys had forked out for that, they wouldn’t be NBN enthusiasts.

    To be fair, if government turned up tomorrow and offered me (and only me) a free Ferrari, no strings attached, I’d probably take it. If government came up with a moronic plan that every car must be a Ferrari I’d tell em they are a bunch of numpties, because I know eventually the bill will come back to me.

    I think that’s the essence of being able to live with other people… understanding that ideas that seem attractive when you get something paid for by everyone else, are really dumb when applied broadly and everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else.

  83. Makka

    Sure because, as I said, people are dancing around trying to figure out if there is going to be a concerted trade war or not. It’s risk off trading and the Aussie always takes it up the rear when it’s risk off.

    Oh ffs blowhard, do cut the crap. First it’s PPP and Big Macs, then it’s China growth, now it’s dancing people in a trade war determining AUD. Are you seriously saying you make real money trading AUD from all that bullshit? Pull the other one, numpty. I don’t have to answer your silly obtuse questions. You’re a Finance Major, you can go divine the Fed’s entrails if you want. You’re the only person here licensed to trade currencies, right? Markets are like witch doctoring or dentistry and only licensed learned and qualified people like you can participate, right? Lol.

  84. Dogs, cats and even to some extent cockroaches manage it. They make quite complicated decisions about what to do, and not an articulated principle in sight. You need to have some idea of how they manage it without recourse to logic and reason.

    We aren’t talking about any sort of action, we are talking about moral action. The above invites the conclusion that you would have no problem with parents abandoning a child if it meant its siblings having more for themselves. In other words, you’ve simply abandoned the moral plane.

  85. When you marry a porn star and it doesn’t work out… adultery!!! Seriously!!!

    Which raises the age old question of who has more fun –
    Infants in infancy, or adults in adultery?

  86. egg_

    I know a lot of IT professionals too. Every one of them wanted the NBN in its original form, Fibre to the Home/Premises. Every one of them still does.

    Obviously, they’re not ICT Telco professionals.

  87. Monst if its not TMI are you one of these unlucky buggers who harbors Staph in their body somewhere (nose being the usual reserve)?

    Yeah mole, for me it’s on my feet. Good point about the nose though, maybe that is related to my chronic sinusitis, which has so far been blamed on allergies? I have too many items on my medical rap sheet.

  88. cohenite

    Tim flannery is disgusting.

  89. Snoopy

    Monty, are you going to make a contribution to Stormy’s court costs?

  90. Stimpson J. Cat

    chronic sinusitis

    I’ve missed you Monty, hope you are well.
    Have you tried reducing your soy intake, I have heard that can cause problems?

  91. Neil

    And not one of them wants to be the guy who pays for it. How do I know? Because plenty of (expensive) fiber was available BEFORE the NBN came along and if your guys had forked out for that, they wouldn’t be NBN enthusiasts.

    Turnbull had his problems but he said this about the NBN

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/turnbulls-address-to-the-national-press-club-20110803-1wtes.html

    Lower prices and wider take-up were not an objective of Labor’s policy, even though Australians on lower incomes are less likely to have broadband. The NBN will increase retail prices because it ties up so much capital, and cost of capital plus opex for NBN are forecast to be double what they are for Telstra’s copper.
    The NBN will also increase prices above their level in a competitive market (and constrain supply) because that is how monopolies operate, public or private.
    More Bandwidth – Always Valuable?
    Reflecting on the Government’s argument for more and more bandwidth regardless of the cost or consumer demand, I am reminded of a farmer who lives 50 km out of town on a dirt road.
    Whenever it rains it washes out, so frustrated by the local council’s failure to seal it, he mobilizes his friends and relations and gets the numbers on the Council. In a fit of madness the Council then builds a six lane freeway to his farm.

    This bankrupts the Council but worse still it does not get the farmer into town any faster than a single sealed lane would have done. As the Councillors are bundled out by the Administrators, they are heard to say to the angry ratepayers: “You Luddites, you don’t have any vision. We were futureproofing that road so that it could handle the traffic if a city of a million people is built at the end of it.”

  92. max

    Thanks, Roger. Yes, the creeds would be ground zero.

    I also found Beaugy’s point helpful: believing Jesus to be the son of god.

    ‘Christian’ is a bit amorphous though for anyone who gives it a moment’s thought.

    You have to decide and you have to have reasons: real presence or not ? infant baptism ? predestination ? etc.

  93. JC

    Oh ffs blowhard, do cut the crap. First it’s PPP and Big Macs,

    This is why I keep saying you should head back to Daily Stormer. You don’t know shit and you jump in head first into a sewer thinking it’s clean water.

    Dot and I were talking about a valuation for the Aussie. When people, that is knowledgeable people- discuss valuation for a currency, they generally jump to PPP* and the Big Mac Index is a very decent marker for PPP
    You nimrod.

    PPP is purchasing power parity. You should read up on it. 🙂

    then it’s China growth, now it’s dancing people in a trade war determining AUD.

    Sure, fundamentally the known unknown is China growth going forward. That’s why we’ve seen a large unwinding of risk around the world.

    Are you seriously saying you make real money trading AUD from all that bullshit?

    I didn’t trade much for this year… was breakeven for some of the year and now started to make some money in currencies. I’m not sure if you know, Achmed, but it’s an uncertain way to make money. 🙂

    Pull the other one, numpty. I don’t have to answer your silly obtuse questions.

    I’m sure you don’t because you’re a fathmouth with Everest on his shoulder. But that’s okay, because I forgive you.

    You’re a Finance Major, you can go divine the Fed’s entrails if you want.

    The Fed has outlined what they would like to do. That’s pretty much been discounted. They may change what they do, but that’s not what’s baked into the market. The fed’s statement said we’ll have one more hike this year and four more next year (forget if it’s 3 or 4). That’s baked in.

    You’re the only person here licensed to trade currencies, right?

    Not at all, however if we went in your direction I would be because you support licensing for every single job in the country. That’s the Kinship Economics theory I wanted you to discuss. You know, what’s good for your family is good for the country.

    Markets are like witch doctoring or dentistry and only licensed learned and qualified people like you can participate, right? Lol.

    Dude, participate all you want. Use charts or tea leaves (same thing) to divine the next move. I really don’t care.

    Just to repeat, you were the foulmouthed moron who broke into our conversation and for some reason believed we wanted to hear what you had to say. However, we didn’t. We weren’t talking about trading views, we were discussing potential valuation and PPP is what is generally used as an okay marker.

  94. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2842184, posted on October 17, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    Shall I kick off the abortion debate or do one of you want to?

    It is legal for Women to drive, it is legal for Women to vote, and it is legal for Women to have abortions.
    Which of the three is most dangerous?

    Discuss.

    Voting.

    That was easy, ask me another one.

  95. Rae

    To be fair, if government turned up tomorrow and offered me (and only me) a free Ferrari, no strings attached, I’d probably take it. If government came up with a moronic plan that every car must be a Ferrari I’d tell em they are a bunch of numpties, because I know eventually the bill will come back to me.

    I think that’s the essence of being able to live with other people… understanding that ideas that seem attractive when you get something paid for by everyone else, are really dumb when applied broadly and everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else.

    Same old hackneyed BS. Maybe you even believe it.

  96. Death Giraffe

    It’s possible to see it differently. It’s possible to consider that accepting that Jesus had some profound insights into how to live

    ..
    Look.
    You atheists should live the consequences of what you believe.
    An immoral universe that cares not one tiniest bit if you are good or evil.
    One in which the terms “good” and “evil” are ultimately meaningless.
    Jesus has no “insights” for you.
    If what you believe is true, then there is no reason you should not profit from killing babies, espeacially if there is a market of those who want their babies killed. If doing so gives you even a 0.001% advantage over those who won’t kill babies, that is how your universe is set up.
    For sure the appearance of “good” may be of use to you when dealing with saps and mugs. But the actual real thing? It cannot exist in your world
    ..

    3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

    5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

    6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

    7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

    8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

    9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.

    10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    ..
    Nothing there for you.
    Give it up.

  97. DrBeauGan

    We aren’t talking about any sort of action, we are talking about moral action. The above invites the conclusion that you would have no problem with parents abandoning a child if it meant its siblings having more for themselves. In other words, you’ve simply abandoned the moral plane.

    I was never on your moral plane, DB. It never looked safe to me.

  98. Roger

    I also found Beaugy’s point helpful: believing Jesus to be the son of god.

    That was my point. BeauGan opined that he was a “more of a Christian” than dover without that belief.

    It’s a common misconception when Christianity is regarded purely from the ethical pov without reference to the claims of Jesus to divinity and our acceptance or rejection of those claims.

  99. Gab

    Give it up, Dover. He’s not interested in serious discussion and has resorted to chinese fortune cookie retorts.

  100. The key word there is objectively.

    You believe there are real, out there in the universe, reasons for imposing your beliefs on others.

    I believe there are quite different reasons for disapproving of abortion. One of them is the dreadful waste, another is a dislike for meddling with incredibly complex systems I don’t understand.

    You need to step back from your incessant bullshitting. What you are saying above is simply that there is no moral fact of the matter, and therefore that there can be no in principle objection to murder. That what we should be hearing on floor of the House in Qld is not anything about the moral status of the child in utero but about the terrible ‘waste’ involved and/ or because it involves ‘meddling in systems we don’t understand’. Considerations, in other words, that might arise when wondering about whether we should throw out an old computer or the like.

  101. Snoopy

    5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

    If that’s okay with everybody else.

  102. Tel

    You atheists should live the consequences of what you believe.
    An immoral universe that cares not one tiniest bit if you are good or evil.

    I thought we were.

    Oddly enough, there’s still plenty of religious people around alongside me. You guys seem to be stuck in a similar situation to what I am.

    Nothing to stop you having your own preferences, regarding good, evil, chocolate, strawberry, vanilla or anything else for that matter. This business of the universe having similar preferences to you … ahhh good luck with that. If you do ever make contact with “the universe” and get some kind of meaningful dialog happening then please take some notes on how you did it, could be interesting.

  103. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    National carrier happy to fly in face of activist call on refugees

    Robyn Ironside
    Aviation Writer
    @ironsider
    2 minutes ago October 17, 2018
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    Qantas says it is not up to airlines to play “adjudicator” on asylum-seekers, despite pressure from ­corporate activists for them to stop carrying refugees being deported from Australia.

    The Australian Centre for ­Corporate Responsibility, the ­SumOfUs, and the Refugee Advice and Casework Service are targeting Qantas and Virgin Australia, who have contracts with the federal government to transport refugees and asylum-seekers.

    Protests outside a Qantas-sponsored event in Sydney today accused the national carrier of “carrying our national shame”.

    SumOfUs senior campaigner Nick Haines said the federal government “relied on Qantas to help carry out its cruel and legally questionable deportation policy”.

    “Qantas is under no obligation to help Peter Dutton,” said Mr Haines. “It can say no.”

    Further protests are expected at the Qantas annual general meeting in Brisbane next Friday, which will hear a resolution brought by 122 of the airline’s 93,000 shareholders, sponsored by ACCR.

    I’m remembering the recent case where the activists prevented an aircraft carrying a refugee, being deported, from taking off – it subsequently emerged that said refugee was a convicted g##g r###ist..

  104. notafan

    Isn’t having a law against murder ‘imposing your beliefs on others’

  105. DrBeauGan

    You atheists should live the consequences of what you believe.
    An immoral universe that cares not one tiniest bit if you are good or evil.
    One in which the terms “good” and “evil” are ultimately meaningless.
    Jesus has no “insights” for you.

    That’s garbage, Death.

    I don’t believe the universe at large cares a damn about my morals. But I do.

    I have discovered that I have a conscience. It is as real as toothache, and just as you can’t see my toothache, you can’t see my conscience. Both are capable of giving me hell.

    I’m prepared to believe you have one too, but this is a theory. I’ve got lots of them.

    Now the reason I don’t steal money from beggars is that I know that if did, my conscience would give me gyp. It would point out, endlessly, that I am a despicable shit. I don’t like the state of despising myself, I have a good opinion of myself and intend to keep it. I find this makes me happy, and experience has shown I can’t be happy when I despise myself.

    Your reasoning has a number of suppressed premmises that need more thought than you have given them. Get on with it. I know you can do it if you try.

  106. Death Giraffe

    I believe there are quite different reasons for disapproving of abortion. One of them is the dreadful waste,

    ..
    This is a recurring theme of yours.
    First it was that there was too many galaxies for such a modest species to enjoy without conceit, now we should preserve every possible concieved human from an efficiency point of view.

  107. Roger

    Isn’t having a law against murder ‘imposing your beliefs on others’

    Well said, nota.

  108. bundyrum

    Scooby, i am just happy being here annoying you, you know it all tosspot :))

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Even agnostics or aethiests can find a moral plane for their existence. Christianity draws on and adds to a wealth of prior human experience in such things.

    Communality and a sense of righteousness (altruism?) may be part of our evolutionary heritage, on which, in the transmission og human culture, some fundamentals have been established. Currentlt, Hairy and I are both reading Matt Ridley on ‘The Evolution of Everything’. Works on analogies with human cultural stuff, but often convincing, certainly thought provoking.

  110. Snoopy

    Isn’t having a law against murder ‘imposing your beliefs on others’

    No.

  111. .

    LOL

    There is a KFC index just for Africa.

  112. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you do ever make contact with “the universe” and get some kind of meaningful dialog happening then please take some notes on how you did it, could be interesting.

    I did and I posted them on this very site.
    My serious experiences with dieties were dismissed as the ravings of a mentally ill man.
    It was very rude.

    Very rude, guys.

  113. DrBeauGan

    notafan
    #2842223, posted on October 17, 2018 at 8:22 pm
    Isn’t having a law against murder ‘imposing your beliefs on others’

    Indeed it is. In this case, I believe that a world in which I would have to go armed and treat the rest of the population as my enemies would limit my options excessively. Fortunately, lots of other folk feel the same way. So the only people I’m imposing my belief on are the small minority who think murder is OK. Sod them.

  114. John Constantine

    Marnus Labuschagne, that run out at the non strikers end is symbolic of australias future.

    A little bit of awareness and disaster is averted, but the connections just cannot be made. so it all gets embarrassingly bemused and befuddled.

  115. Delta A

    5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

    If that’s okay with everybody else.

    I hope there’s a special Beautitude for people like you, Snoopy:

    Blessed are those who make us laugh, for they shall be invited to the very best gigs in Heaven.

  116. Death Giraffe

    I have discovered that I have a conscience. It is as real as toothache,

    ..
    If you truly believe there is no God and the universe cares not one whit what you do, then the correct, most advantageous action for you is to train your conscience not to bite.
    After all, it is just some residual siperstitious nonsense from a dying religion.
    What kind of a fool are you to hang onto it, when letting go could give you a marked advantage over others?
    At most, if not cultural, it is something in your genes designed to help groups related to you.
    Fuck them.
    Genes are just a machine too.
    Overcome that, like you would any other lie. Riches and delights await.
    What setious work are you doing to overcome your obsolete moral quibbles in order to succeed?

  117. Snoopy

    There is a KFC index just for Africa.

    It’s a fairly useful metric too. KFC Zimbabwe stores shut down last week.

  118. I have discovered that I have a conscience. It is as real as toothache, and just as you can’t see my toothache, you can’t see my conscience

    If you haven’t developed a ‘toothache’ in the last two days your conscience is in grave disrepair.

  119. Geriatric Mayfly

    I used to be ambivalent about abortion. But as soon as the feminazis captured the entire debate and the legislative process, I began to recoil. Now that these repellent hags have taken their ugly machinations to full term infanticide, I am left in little doubt. Which leads me to wonder about the legal basis for this so called partial birth abomination. (Sorry. ‘Procedure.’) Is the fine point amongst our learn’d friends in cahoots with the slaughter-persons in white coats; the fact that the cord has not been cut, or the notion that this fully formed human has yet to take its first breath?

  120. .

    Shit’s hitting the fan.

    Do you reckon there will be a revolution soon, Snoopy?

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Of course abortuon is a ‘moral’ issue, at every stage of human development. But a perfect morality is often hard to achieve. Contraception is also a moral issue regarding sexual congress in its truly moral form, but few comply. We are always faced with sliding scales and differing levels of moral perfection. Pragmatically, I would be very pleased to see termination at more than twelve weeks strongly resisted in a moral sense and a legal sense too. That would pragmatically make a huge difference and save many babies. It is also far more achievable as an aim, especially given cloudy areas that have much public support, such as IVF.

  122. Death Giraffe

    Now the reason I don’t steal money from beggars is that I know that if did, my conscience would give me gyp

    ..
    Weak as shit. Overcome that shit and roll those bums.

  123. DrBeauGan

    This is a recurring theme of yours.
    First it was that there was too many galaxies for such a modest species to enjoy without conceit, now we should preserve every possible concieved human from an efficiency point of view.

    I am in favour of the human race. I think it has a silly face, but I like it anyway. And in some respects, as JC said, we kick arse. So as well as admiring the awesome beauty of the process of producing us, I like it when it works. I like people in the main. Ilike children, I particularly like little girls, especially blondes. They are chock-full of cute.

    I have been programmed to feel this way.

  124. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    Elizabeth Warren is being hammered, even by the Left. Her false claim of Indian heritage is only selling to VERY LOW I.Q. individuals!

    The Australian Broadcasting Corporation believe it.

    Oh…

  125. Indeed it is…. Sod them.

    Then you have no problem imposing beliefs on others.

  126. DrBeauGan

    If you truly believe there is no God and the universe cares not one whit what you do, then the correct, most advantageous action for you is to train your conscience not to bite.

    Don’t think I haven’t tried.

    It didn’t work. It’s tougher than I am.

  127. None

    Bespoke
    Idid ask you not to address me yet you have slagged me off consistently for the last couple of days. I would ignore you again but if it’s a serious question then I’ll give you a short answer with an illustration (theologians turn away now because I’m going to over simplify I may not be 100% theologically precise And Cass I know you would disagree with some of this.)

    Christianitiy teaches God is love and that he created the world in love and for love, that is for every creature to be in a loving relationship with him and with each other. Nothing you can do or say can earn God’s favour or love. His love amd favor is already towards you and all of creation, and he offers his love (himself!) freely as a gift. But for it to be a gift you have to freely receive it.
    It only takes two seconds to realise that if God is love (careful! this is different from “love is god”) then world is pretty anti god. But for things to be set right again all you need to do is repent -that is turn away from your ungodly an anti-God life-, and believe -recognise god as your creator, your loving heavenly Father and trust him and live in relationship with him. And living in relationship with your creator means recognising that he possibly knows how the world should be and how we were meant to live. And so there’s an element of obedience there as well. But it’s all possible because of God’s gracious favour. There’s no room for self pity (oh poor me I deserve love) and there’s no room for ego (I’ve done good works I deserve God’s favour). But you have to freely accept by faith ( like falling in love).
    One of the reasons why Christian’s can say that God is love is because he has revealed himself to be Trinity that is three persons, father son and holy spirit, in a mutually indwelling relationship. And it is possible for us to know God is so because he has revealed himself through creation and also through the prophets and fathers in Judaism and finally in Jesus Christ his son. Jesuswas not only just an ordinary human being but also God in human flesh, or God incarnate as the theologians say. Jesus explains the ineffable God in human terms that we can understand. Jesus is God stooping down to our level and making himself known in a way that we find a human beings can understand. Jesus death was an earthly demonstration of God’s love and willingness to take upon himself the punishment that we truly deserve for turning away from him. And Jesus resurrection was the demonstration of God’s power to enact that. Dead things don’t become alive again. Only God can raise the Dead. And we can be united with him by faith, by taking Jesus word (in word and action) that he is who he said he was and that his testimony of God was true and that he was indeed raised from the dead. And because we weren’t there amongst the first who were witnesses we take the word of those Witnesses who wrote down what happened and also passed it on to the next generation and the next generation and the Next Generation until today. And we are enabled to exercise this faith with the help of the Holy Spirit.

    There’s another element to this in that because God is love that is his essential nature everything he does is out of love and for love, he can’t act contrary to that and it is he not some gay marriage bill that actually defines love.

    Yeah it’s a mystery and mind bending but in order for there to be love there needs to be One and there needs to be an Other and a relational bond between them. Father son and holy spirit. So father loves the son who loves the father who swnds the son who gives the spirit who unites us with the son and through him the father…. just catch the drift for now.

    Islam teaches something completely different. They teach God is great or god is the greatest. Their God is a unity. ( is this different again from the J*wish statement of faith that God is One which is also quite profound) In a unity there is no other and so there is no relational idea in their idea of God and they cannot say that God is love. Their God is sheer will. Their God is totally transcendantt and has never reveal himself to anyone except maybe Muhammad who then took dictation and that was it. As their whole system of belief is dependent on the will of an unknowable unreachable God, they can only hope that God might be favourable towards them. In other words even the most famous and most pious of Muslims can never know for sure and has never expressed any certainty that God favors them either in this life or the next. And whether Allah does or doesn’t, it doesn’t matter because he’s just sheer will and he can do what he likes. This is why traditional Muslim societies can be very fatalistic and this is how also the extremist work by guaranteeing Paradise if you go and kill infidels and get martyred.

    So that’s the basic difference: love and grace vs sheer indeterminate will; Trinity and Incarnation V Unity and Muhammad. Security of God’s grace and love V the insecurity of Allah’s will.

    How do Christians and Muslims share the same Heaven?. Through Jesus Christ.

    When that horrible Grenfell Tower fire in London was underway there was one Muslim woman who was trapped in her apartment and at one stage she was on the balcony ringing for help. The recording of her last words as the inevitable approached were to call out to Allah ( which just means God) for help. She actually did not submit to Allah as you would expect a Muslim to do and just kneel down and say inshallah whatever your will is God, or even shriek in terror but from the depths of her being she called out to her maker and she asked for help from him, thereby recognising that God could be near – this is the way the spirit works in our hearts making Christ present to us – and trusting him to answer her in the way that he saw fit, and among her last words were to cry out ‘forgive me everyone’ that is she recognised her obligation to live as a creature of God in harmony with him and everybody else and repented. She repented as well as trusted God. She repented and tirned to God and I know she will be forgiven because as Jesus said god does not turn away anyone who turns to him and because Jesus took on the punishment for her sins as he did for all the sins of the world.
    Now of course I don’t know exactly what was going on in her heart and I certainly do not know the mysteries of God but when I heard a snippet of that harrowing phone call – and I really didn’t want to listen to more than just a snippet – I recognised Jesus saved my sister.

  128. .

    Consciences are a social construct!

  129. Death Giraffe

    Don’t think I haven’t tried.

    It didn’t work. It’s tougher than I am.

    ..
    Loser.

  130. DrBeauGan

    Then you have no problem imposing beliefs on others.

    Depends on the others. And the beliefs.

  131. Geriatric Mayfly

    Obviously helped by what happens up north, Australia is supposed to receive more precipitation than North America. I read that once, but I’m really skeptical.

    On reading one of those touristy information boards out in the boondocks, I was struck by the suggestion that some of the water in the artesian basin actually seeps its way down from New Guinea. Now, it does rain up there betimes.

  132. DrBeauGan

    Death Giraffe
    #2842257, posted on October 17, 2018 at 8:41 pm
    Don’t think I haven’t tried.

    It didn’t work. It’s tougher than I am.

    ..
    Loser.

    Fraid so. But when you’re beaten, better to admit it and fight where you can win.

  133. DrBeauGan

    .
    #2842256, posted on October 17, 2018 at 8:40 pm
    Consciences are a social construct!

    Yeah. Like sex and toothache.

  134. Blessed are those who make us laugh, for they shall be invited to the very best gigs in Heaven.

    Heaven and Hell are the same place, Delta.

  135. hzhousewife

    Geez, Richo “has to vote Labor because his father would roll in his grave of he didn’t.” (Sky just now)
    On of my co-workers votes whatever her mother tells her, and that is whatever her father tells her mother.
    Spare me.
    I used to think compulsory voting was good, but am coming to realise that I may have to adjust my outlook.

    For a scientist ( Medical Doctor) Kerryn Phelps is pretty stupid re climate change (imho).

  136. None

    … Their God is a unity (this is different again from the J*wish statement of faith that God is One which is also quite profound) …

  137. DrBeauGan

    Weak as shit. Overcome that shit and roll those bums.

    It’s a simple calculation, Death. It’s just not worth it.

    Presumably the reason you don’t roll those bums is because you believe God doesn’t want you to and you’re one of those obedient conformist creeps.

    I think my reason for not rolling bums is much better.

  138. Death Giraffe

    You are living a lie Beaugan.
    I want you to do one truly evil thing every day for a week and see if that obsolete conscience can be tamed with some of the old cognitive behavioural therapy.

  139. Depends on the others. And the beliefs

    Now you’re adding qualifications. Maybe you should have done so earlier.

  140. Tiny Dancer

    So Nong, Jesus is a construct?

  141. zyconoclast

    If there was a demand for this wouldn’t the car companies fund it themselves?

    Government to fund next-gen automotive engineers

    Engineering students interested in working in the car industry can apply for a slice of $5 million in Federal Government funding.
    A new grant in place for budding automotive engineers aims to foster innovation and maintain the car industry’s place as a desirable field for gifted students.

    Part of a $100 million advanced manufacturing fund announced in the 2017-2018 budget, the grant offers university students between $200,000 and $1 million to explore opportunities offered by new tech.

    While Australia no longer builds cars locally, several brands including Ford, Holden and Toyota maintain engineering staff to develop future vehicles for Australia and abroad.

  142. Death Giraffe

    I don’t roll bums because I am a germophobe.
    If I was an atheist, and could find a hygeinic way, and it was a profitable use of my to time, why shouldn’t I?
    What makes them special in your universe?
    I’ve done worse.
    And am fully capable of much, much, much worse.
    Like almost all of us.

  143. It’s a simple calculation, Death. It’s just not worth it.

    First it was his conscience, now its a simple calculation.

  144. DrBeauGan

    You are living a lie Beaugan.

    Don’t see it, Death.

    I want you to do one truly evil thing every day for a week and see if that obsolete conscience can be tamed with some of the old cognitive behavioural therapy.

    I could try filing my teeth to points and chewing pebbles, but I don’t think I will. Sorry to disappoint you.

    I’m prepared to eat chocolate every day for a week, if that counts.

  145. max

    The existence of the conscience indicates there is a God: or so Newman argued.

  146. None

    I can’t get it to work either Peter. I think it’s because my phone browser automatically opens all bids in YouTube.

  147. DrBeauGan

    First it was his conscience, now its a simple calculation.

    Don’t play dumb, DB. The calculation involves comparison of the very small sums I would get from the bums with the pain of self-contempt that my conscience would provide.

  148. Bear Necessities

    I think it would of been more appropriate to call Stormy a “White Zombie” instead of “Horseface”.

  149. Death Giraffe

    The reason I try not to be evil is because I believe in a moral universe.
    This coincides with both two to three thousand years of my culture, my own tentative ideas on how human society should function and most of my day to day experiences, as well as my conscience.
    As such, everything is in alignment, except my inability to fully livd up to those beliefs.
    It is your atheism that is the single thing that does not line up.

  150. Death Giraffe

    with the pain of self-contempt that my conscience would provide.

    ..
    Those bums not good enough for you, eh?

  151. Roger

    Well, the ABC’s 7:30 manages to profile the Jamal Kashoggi murder case without once mentioning that the victim was an Islamist.

    Not that that justifies his unlawful killing, but it is certainly relevant.

    Why, they presented him as a veritable Wapo liberal.

    No bias. No agenda. Your tax dollars at work, comrades.

  152. DrBeauGan

    I’ve done worse.
    And am fully capable of much, much, much worse.
    Like almost all of us.

    Yes, I can be an arsehole too, Death, although perhaps not on your scale of arseholiness. I’ve discovered experimentally that it’s not a good deal for me. It might work for you, I suppose. I gather that fear of hellfire is all that is stopping you.

    Coward.

  153. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sums From Bums.

    What are you nerds talking about?

    Absolute Degeneracy.

  154. Gab

    It has been decreed that all Australian public buildings will fly the UN (spit) flag next Wednesday.

    Why are Australian politicians such feckless cowards?

  155. None

    I should BG stop at bums DG? He could also roll the local 7-Eleven, the servo on the corner, the Commonwealth Bank. The world would be his oyster. Instead he sits here night after night typing lame excuses on the Cat.

  156. Snoopy

    Do you reckon there will be a revolution soon, Snoopy?

    No. For a number of reasons (in no particular order).

    Zimbabweans are patient to a fault.

    Firearms among the general population are rare.

    The memories of the Rhodesian Bush War / War of Independence, which wasn’t purely a black v white event, are still fresh.

    The government still has the support of about half the population.

    Revolutions generally arise when there is a foreign backer. There is none.

    The armed organs of the State; military, police, prison service, CIO, support the government. The recent ‘coup’ was fundamentally an internal party dispute.

    For the last twenty-five years Zimbabweans have been voting with their feet.

  157. Jesus Christ – leave the bums alone.

  158. DrBeauGan

    Those bums not good enough for you, eh?

    I’d approach the prospect of rolling George Soros on its merits. But no, the bums don’t have enough money.

  159. None

    It has been decreed that all Australian public buildings will fly the UN (spit) flag next Wednesday.

    huh? Why?

  160. Why are Australian politicians such feckless cowards?

    It’s part of the job description, Gab.

  161. Death Giraffe

    It is your cowardice not to take advantage of your brilliant insight that there is no God.
    You should be a billionaire.
    All you need to do is act as if you do believe in God and start an online mission bilking saps.
    What are you scared of?

  162. DrBeauGan

    The reason I try not to be evil is because I believe in a moral universe.

    Does it have moral stars and moral planets and moral galaxies in it?

    This is just fluff.

  163. Top Ender

    An email claiming Independent Kerryn Phelps had been diagnosed with HIV and had withdrawn from the Wentworth byelection has been sent to voters in the electorate, with the candidate describing the online campaign as “shocking” dirty tricks.

    The emergence of the HIV claim was anonymously sent from a fake address on Sunday, and also asked recipients to “divert” their vote to Liberal Party candidate Dave Sharma.

    The email also asks for help in removing Dr Phelps’ campaign posters around the electorate.

    “I think it’s shocking. When I went into this campaign, people warned me that there would be dirty tricks, but this is next level,” Dr Phelps said.

    A spokesman for the Liberal Party told The Australian that their “Wentworth campaign had absolutely no involvement with the sending of this email.

    Oz breaking…

  164. Gab

    If I had a UN flag, I’d burn it.

  165. Tel

    Now the reason I don’t steal money from beggars is that I know that if did, my conscience would give me gyp

    If I was going to steal money for a living, I’d start by finding someone wealthy. Willie Sutton’s law.

  166. DrBeauGan

    Death Giraffe
    #2842293, posted on October 17, 2018 at 9:09 pm
    It is your cowardice not to take advantage of your brilliant insight that there is no God.
    You should be a billionaire.
    All you need to do is act as if you do believe in God and start an online mission bilking saps.
    What are you scared of?

    What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?

    Replace soul by self-respect if you have trouble with the above.

  167. Jesus Christ – leave the bums alone.

    Actually, Monty, I’m partial to a bit of pert bum.
    And Mrs MV’s is particularly pert.
    Even after all these years.
    And nice and firm, too.

  168. Snoopy

    The email also asks for help in removing Dr Phelps’ campaign posters around the electorate.

    That stinks. Of GetUp!

  169. None

    If I can bring in some Barth for a moment (I mean why should Catholics have all the fun), all the voice of your conscience is saying is, God is righteous.

  170. Snoopy

    Gab
    #2842297, posted on October 17, 2018 at 9:10 pm
    If I had a UN flag, I’d burn it.

    Can you wait until Wednesday? They’ll be everywhere.

  171. DrBeauGan

    If I was going to steal money for a living, I’d start by finding someone wealthy. Willie Sutton’s law.

    Quite so. Which is why I am prepared to consider rolling George Soros. I probably wouldn’t, but I feel I ought to consider it.

  172. None

    Thanks Gab. United Nations Day? Where’s antifa when you need them.

  173. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    An email claiming Independent Kerryn Phelps had been diagnosed with HIV and had withdrawn from the Wentworth byelection has been sent to voters in the electorate, with the candidate describing the online campaign as “shocking” dirty tricks.

    I don’t normally go in for conspiracy theories, but Snoopy is on the money.

  174. Death Giraffe

    Look.
    You just have to get more efficient with the bum rolling.
    If your only concern is that each bum isn’t providing enough loot, if that is really your only concern, not, say that as human beings they have intrinsic value, then you could put together a good bum rolling team.
    Take a cut of many bum rolls rather than 100% on just a few.

  175. None

    Yeah it’s particularly stupid. I mean lesbians and AIDS?
    Someone isn’t very bright. So it’s either GetUp or Wayne Swan’s daughter again.

  176. Death Giraffe

    Soros isn’t in your league.
    You are many bum rolls away from even a bum several levels below Soros.

  177. Death Giraffe

    OK.
    At this point I’m just enjoying typing “bum roll”.

  178. Death Giraffe

    Yes.
    You need a crack bum rolling team.

  179. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    One in which the terms “good” and “evil” are ultimately meaningless.

    They are meaningful to things (ie beings) that make meaning based on their values, the most fundamental being survival.

    It’s almost redundant to say that living entities who don’t have survival as a core value or a core program, probably don’t stick around very long. The ones that do and are capable of making meaning, have a natural tendency to define good and evil in relation to the survival value or drive and based on the intention of another entity that is capable of having intentions.

    A rock falling off a cliff and killing someone is neither good nor evil, which implies strongly that the universe has no intrinsic good or evil. But someone pushing the rock with intention to kill another is quite likely viewed as evil depending on the reasons for the intention. An animal killing prey is not considered an act of evil but a man killing someone else’s animal for pleasure is quite possibly considered an act of evil. etc

    The notion that the universe has good or evil independent from people/beings that have these categories is a form of personification.

    One could argue that good and evil exist somewhere as some sort of platonic ideal, but really that just complicates the picture with no additional benefit from the simplest explanation.

  180. None

    I can’t stop laughing at the idea of a CRACK bum rolling team.

  181. DrBeauGan

    Death Giraffe
    #2842308, posted on October 17, 2018 at 9:16 pm
    Look.
    You just have to get more efficient with the bum rolling.
    If your only concern is that each bum isn’t providing enough loot, if that is really your only concern, not, say that as human beings they have intrinsic value, then you could put together a good bum rolling team.
    Take a cut of many bum rolls rather than 100% on just a few.

    I don’t dislike the down and outs. I don’t think the sidereal universe believes they have intrinsic value, but I feel kindly towards them. So efficiently taking their pathetic property is still not worth it.

    The fact is, I don’t much care about wealth or money or impressing the neighbours. I’ve got enough for my needs. I’m not like you, Death, I’m one of those spiritual people you read about in books.

    If you want to tempt me into a life of sin, you’ll have to do better than waving a billion dollars at me. I would cross the road for a billion dollars, but not a lot more than that. If you could get a billion dollars for marrying None, would you think that a good deal? I wouldn’t.

  182. Delta A

    Good discussions on the Cat tonight, thanks to Zippy, None, Snoopy, Beaugy, Arky et al.

  183. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Well, the ABC’s 7:30 manages to profile the Jamal Kashoggi murder case without once mentioning that the victim was an Islamist.

    Not that that justifies his unlawful killing,

    well actually it does

  184. DrBeauGan

    One in which the terms “good” and “evil” are ultimately meaningless.

    They are meaningful to things (ie beings) that make meaning based on their values, the most fundamental being survival.

    This is clear to me and Zippy, but not Death. He faffs on about a moral universe whatever that is.

    Some sort of meme designed to stop him forming a crack bum rolling team as far as I can make out.

  185. None

     If you could get a billion dollars for marrying None, would you think that a good deal? I wouldn’t.

    Beaugan – you wrote a poem about me. If you stayed up all night thinking about me and writing a poem. For a billion dollars I won’t tell anyone . For a little more I will make it disappear.

  186. Death Giraffe

    Really, you just seem like a lazy sod without the application to make use of your Godless, evil advantages.

  187. Rae

    An email claiming Independent Kerryn Phelps had been diagnosed with HIV and had withdrawn from the Wentworth byelection has been sent to voters in the electorate, with the candidate describing the online campaign as “shocking” dirty tricks.

    I don’t normally go in for conspiracy theories, but Snoopy is on the money.

    No. I think it’s a safe bet that it originated from the Libs.

  188. DrBeauGan

    Death Giraffe
    #2842323, posted on October 17, 2018 at 9:36 pm
    Really, you just seem like a lazy sod without the application to make use of your Godless, evil advantages.

    You’re obviously jealous of my opportunities and resent my not following them up.

    All you have to do is convert to atheism, Death. What’s stopping you?

  189. Whalehunt fun

    How is it unlawful for a citizen of an absolute monarchy to be killed on the whim of the monarch. If the life of a citizen is not owned by the monarch it is not a monarchy. And how is it that anyone cares. People are routinely killed in the middle east on a daily basis. Why does yhe ABC vare about one amongst thousands. Because he was an idiot leftist islamist lowlife, their favorite type.

  190. Death Giraffe

    All you have to do is convert to atheism, Death. What’s stopping you?

    ..
    The company.

  191. Rae

    How is it unlawful for a citizen of an absolute monarchy to be killed on the whim of the monarch.

    Dunno. How is that relevant? Khashoggi is an American citizen, has been for quite a while.

  192. Don’t play dumb, DB. The calculation involves comparison of the very small sums I would get from the bums with the pain of self-contempt that my conscience would provide.

    Exactly, first conscience, now calculation. You would have no need to engage in calculation if you relied on conscience.

  193. Tel

    Quite so. Which is why I am prepared to consider rolling George Soros. I probably wouldn’t, but I feel I ought to consider it.

    The Bank of England has been trying to figure that one out for years and they have better resources than either you or me. Mind you, the BoE are moronic Keynesians so maybe that puts them at somewhat of a disadvantage, but Soros is a commie, just happens to be a very smart commie.

    Look I have neither the intention to roll Soros, nor any workable plan to do so, but let’s just say if someone did then you wouldn’t find too many people howling about how unfair and immoral the universe is. Indeed the very existence of people like Soros tells you more about how the universe feels than all the scripture you can carry.

  194. No. I think it’s a safe bet that it originated from the Libs.

    Or the Nats.
    Via their God Soldiers, the Assembly of God Church.
    Whatever name they call themselves these days.

  195. Mitch M.

    Pragmatically, I would be very pleased to see termination at more than twelve weeks strongly resisted in a moral sense and a legal sense too.

    It is at a rate of 3/1 but there is no understanding of why so many conceptions don’t go to term.

    Let’s not pretend we are fully comprehensible regarding the causes of behavior. We know that genetics certainly plays a role and may even be the main determinant of personality structure. If that is true and it is at least partially true then we are confronted with the fact that our decision making is to some extent biologically bounded. That is an uncomfortable conclusion.

    Conscience is such an ambiguous concept that to use it as a means for understanding behavior is nonsense.

    The idea of a moral universe is not even wrong.

  196. C.L.

    Just stepped in to see that Queensland has legalised the homicide of children and enacted laws to allow police to arrest little old ladies saying rosaries on the footpath. As always with leftists, they use an evil euphemism to hide their enormities. “Safe zone.”

  197. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Dunno. How is that relevant? Khashoggi is an American citizen, has been for quite a while.

    Irrelevant. Obama droned to death american jihadists. In any case it wasn’t the US that killed him, if he is even dead.

    Let’s define a muslim as someone who believes in the core tenets of jihad and an islamist as someone who actively engages in jihad of some variety. Jihad being active war gives us every right to kill them, regardless of whether it is a direct violent gorilla jihad or a civilisational political jihad. They are still part of the same belligerent force. Muslims not actively funding or providing support for jihad should be interned or deported for security, as they could at any time become active.

  198. Death Giraffe

    The idea of a moral universe is not even wrong.


    Live birth abortion.
    Yes or no?

  199. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Some sort of meme designed to stop him forming a crack bum rolling team as far as I can make out.

    Death might benefit from a bit more introspection. Regardless, history is awash with crack bum rolling teams.

  200. None

    So 3 LNP Mps broke ranks to vote for abortion in Queensland? I bet you they were men because only lettuce leaf Liberal men would want abortion because they’re probably f****** their staff and need an out clause.

  201. DrBeauGan

    The company.

    There’s very little of it.

  202. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    EURO deathwatch

  203. None

    The first and foremost duty of any government, any government anywhere is to protect it’s citizens. It seems that all of our governments be they state or federal, Labor or Liberal I just intent on killing us and our children.

  204. DrBeauGan

    The idea of a moral universe is not even wrong.


    Live birth abortion.
    Yes or no?

    Death, the cold stars don’t care. You do, I do. But the universe at large doesn’t give a stuff.

    Get used to it.

  205. None

    So which one of the papers will have the guts to print a front page tomorrow which shows Queensland voting to kill kids next to a picture of a pregnant Megan with a headline saying right to regicide passed by Queens subjects?
    This is the last year of 100 year commemoration of World War 1. Our diggers died so that our governments could force us to fund the killing of their descendants. Grotesque.

  206. Tel

    … history is awash with crack bum rolling teams.

    The Right Honourable Crack Bum Rolling Team Member for Wentworth.

    Bum rolls off the tongue.

  207. Death Giraffe

    Death might benefit from a bit more introspection.

    ..
    No Beaugan just pulled a stock standard, boring atheist move of accusing Christians of only being good because “scared of God”.
    I saw it coming a mile off, but hoped he was going somewhere different with it.
    Disappointing.

  208. Pedro the Ignorant

    If the Libs, or even rogue members of the party, are found to be guilty of spreading those HIV rumours about Phelps, they can kiss Wentworth goodbye.

    There are tactics and there there are dirty tricks that cross the line.

    Libellous bullshit like that is way out of order.

  209. OldOzzie

    m0nty
    #2842289, posted on October 17, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Jesus Christ – leave the bums alone.

    Monty welcome back

    Hope your Health is OK

    OldOzzie

  210. DrBeauGan

    No Beaugan just pulled a stock standard, boring atheist move of accusing Christians of only being good because “scared of God”.
    I saw it coming a mile off, but hoped he was going somewhere different with it.
    Disappointing.

    I couldn’t make any other explanation of why you don’t let your inner arsehole rip. You still haven’t given anything that looks like an explanation.

    We’re on our own trying to figure it out. Help us.

  211. None

    No Beaugan just pulled a stock standard, boring atheist move of accusing Christians of only being good because “scared of God”.

    I suspect BG has daddy issues. Tell us about your father Beaugan.

  212. Tel

    No Beaugan just pulled a stock standard, boring atheist move of accusing Christians of only being good because “scared of God”.

    So… Death doesn’t fear God?

    Well God doesn’t fear Death either.

    Didn’t see that coming, did ya?

  213. Death Giraffe

    Death, the cold stars don’t care. You do, I do. But the universe at large doesn’t give a stuff.

    Get used to it.

    ..
    If the universe doesn’t care, why should you?
    You are a product of this universe, and have to play it’s game to succeed.
    The atheist universe defines success as surviving and reproducing.
    As such you should fully and fulsomely and warmly celebrate slitting the spines of newborns.
    After all, leaves your progeny as the winners, in every way.

  214. OldOzzie

    Alex Turnbull lists his top five crazy Liberal politicians

    Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s son Alex has called Tony Abbott his top “crazy” Liberal politicians in a radio interview where he again urged voters to “send a message on climate change” at Saturday’s Wentworth by-election.

    Speaking with Triple J radio program Hack on Wednesday evening, the Singapore-based hedge fund manager accused the Liberal Party of “dog whistling to Nazis” and said that “a lot of (his father’s) legacy is fighting the good fight against the crazies”.

    When asked who he meant by the “crazies”, he listed his top five “crazy” Liberal politicians, with Tony Abbott topping his list as “a singularly destructive human being”.

    Peter Dutton ranked second, with newly appointed Energy Minister Angus Taylor ranked third, explaining that “despite being very intelligent he can’t get on the right side of events.”

    Eric Abetz and Kevin Andrews shared fourth place, who were described as hard-right faction leaders.

    He also referred to the “triple A” of “crazies” — “Abbott, Andrews, Abetz”, also adding that “some of the craziest are in the senate where they don’t have to fight for a seat”

    On his thoughts of Scott Morrison, Mr Turnbull described him as having the “same problem my dad had”.

    “He’s got some very, very, crazy people to deal with who are not particularly rational political actors.”

    “I think the Liberals need to have their act together and be viable and be competitive because frankly there are people in the Labor Party who are a bit nuts too. It’s just that they’re not dog-whistling to Nazis.”

    The younger Turnbull has been vocal in his effort to dissuade voters from electing a candidate on Saturday from the party that deposed his father as leader of the nation in August.

    “We need to send a message on climate change.

    “If you want to send a message you’ve to be strategic about how you do that so I think people should really consider preferencing Kerryn Phelps if you’re not sure.

    “She’s not going to tear apart the government. she’s not going to burn the world down, she’s going to put some heat on them where frankly a lot of Wentworth voters would like to see it.”

  215. None

    I couldn’t make any other explanation of why you don’t let your inner arsehole rip. You still haven’t given anything that looks like an explanation.

    Why should DG any different to you? Doesn’t he have a conscience? And if the voice of our conscience tells that God is righteous, the only difference is that DJ acknowledges god but you are busy plugging your ears and searing your conscience so as to hear him speak. The difference between a Christian and a non Christian really does have a lot to do with free will.

  216. Death Giraffe

    You still haven’t given anything that looks like an explanation.

    ..
    I did. Immediatly after the post you siezed on with the “You good because scared God”.
    You didn’t read it.
    Too excited with the lame, standard “gotcha”.

  217. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If the universe doesn’t care, why should you?

    cooperation, empathy is part of a workable survival strategy.

  218. struth

    It has been decreed that all Australian public buildings will fly the UN (spit) flag next Wednesday.

    Why are Australian politicians such feckless cowards?

    But of course, we are just conspiracy theorists………………………………………………

  219. OldOzzie

    Nauru, our national dilemma, is crying out for a solution

    Graham Richardson

    The policy success of Scott Morrison’s time as immigration minister was stopping the boats.

    The moment I witnessed a rotten old boat breaking up on the rocks off Christmas Island, and saw people drowning, my views changed. I wanted Morrison to succeed. A thousand or more desperates died at sea in leaky vessels which were not seaworthy and the people smugglers just got richer.

    We introduced a thing called offshore detention. It was a good plan. Refugees would be looked after until they could be settled in other countries.

    A year or so ago then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull flew to the US and paid homage to new President, Donald Trump. His reward was an assurance the deal with the Obama administration that a couple of thousand refugees would be allowed into the US was upheld.

    This meant Manus Island could be shut and that was convenient because local resentment to Australia’s refugees was turning violent.

    Then something happened that nobody had been expecting. The collapse of social order in the likes of Libya, where no one was in control and each area had its own war zone as tribes fought each other for every square metre of ground. Syria was even worse. Bashar al-Assad, with the aid of Russian military that had no qualms about slaughtering the innocent along with the enemies, began destroying large chunks of his own country.

    ISIS had come from nowhere and won control of large parts of Iraq and Syria. The Middle East was in chaos and the flood of refugees was unprecedented. Millions have crossed or tried to cross the Mediterranean to Europe. Greece was swamped. The Armenians built fences to keep them out. The Hungarians closed their borders.

    With Europe in turmoil, the refugee crisis had seemingly overwhelmed the First World. The chances of Australia settling anyone anywhere were dashed. The temporary stay on Manus has morphed into permanency. Tiny Nauru, a dot in the Pacific, with no hope after the last ounce of phosphate had been carted away to make our lawns look lovely, saw its chance. It would take billions of dollars a year to provide housing, food, water, healthcare and education for the refugees.

    Now the refugees sit there. They have nothing to do. Theirs must be the most tedious life on earth. The children really suffer as they watch their depressed and worried parents act even more restless and unhappy.

    All this means Australia faces a dilemma. I see Cory Bernadi, with whom I have found myself agreeing too often on Paul Murray Live on Sky News, slaps down anyone who suggests looking to alter any part of our offshore detention program. Yet the world will judge us more and more over the health and wellbeing of the people we put on Nauru. Now that the government of Nauru has expelled the doctors of Medecins Sans Frontieres who were attempting to improve mental health in particular, the situation can only deteriorate.

    I face Australia’s dilemma too. I don’t want the boats to start again. I don’t want to see people die on the rocks of any island or disappear in the open sea. However, I don’t want the suffering on Nauru to be a permanent feature of our immigration policy. I don’t know what to do. I wonder who does?

  220. struth

    I bet you they were men because only lettuce leaf Liberal men would want abortion because they’re probably f****** their staff and need an out clause.

    So it’s left to me again?

    No, well fuck it.

    Somebody else’s go.

    I thought we had moved on……………………………………………..

  221. DrBeauGan

    If the universe doesn’t care, why should you?
    You are a product of this universe, and have to play it’s game to succeed.
    The atheist universe defines success as surviving and reproducing.
    As such you should fully and fulsomely and warmly celebrate slitting the spines of newborns.
    After all, leaves your progeny as the winners, in every way.

    I’m a very, very small bit of the universe, Death. Bits of it work one way, other bits are different.

    You have a curious conviction that you know the rules that govern the behaviour of atheists, and the different rules that govern the behaviour of the God squad. And you whinge that I am breaking your rules for atheists.

    Better get used to it. Sod your rules for atheists.

  222. C.L.

    An email claiming Independent Kerryn Phelps had been diagnosed with HIV and had withdrawn from the Wentworth byelection has been sent to voters in the electorate, with the candidate describing the online campaign as “shocking” dirty tricks.

    The emergence of the HIV claim was anonymously sent from a fake address on Sunday, and also asked recipients to “divert” their vote to Liberal Party candidate Dave Sharma.

    LOL. Probably the most blatantly obvious ALP set-up I can remember.

  223. None

    The conservatives in the Liberals like to say that they may be a small group but very very effective. Judging by Alex Turnbull melt down I think they are right.
    Not surprising that he doesn’t list Morrison among the crazies and glad to see the absence of names like Christian Porter as well because he’s no conservative either.
    The Libs will lose Wentworth and given they are already in full scale panic mode the pants wetters will poop themselves on the weekend.

  224. 132andBush

    Not quite to the standard of the model A resto but this bloke has a lot of equally informative videos on turbine engines and associated components.
    Link

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the Libs, or even rogue members of the party, are found to be guilty of spreading those HIV rumours about Phelps, they can kiss Wentworth goodbye.

    Not even the most rogue elements of the Liberal Party could be so thick as to think they could get away with this one, surely?

  226. Death Giraffe

    cooperation, empathy is part of a workable survival strategy.

    ..
    Abortionists don’t cooperate? Don’t exhibit empathy?
    Even the worst of mass murderers are capable of cooperation and at a bare minimum successfully simulating empathy.

  227. Makka

    The Libs will lose Wentworth and given they are already in full scale panic mode the pants wetters will poop themselves on the weekend.

    And then the Libs will promptly move even further to the left.

  228. OldOzzie

    After cake, can John Hewson tell us why solar power needs our taxes?

    Cut & Paste

    A drubbing will force change. Anne Davies, The Guardian, October 10:

    Former Liberal leader John Hewson … wants voters in his former seat of Wentworth to … give the Liberals “a drubbing” … to force the party … to ­respond to “the urgent challenge” of climate change.


    What change? Solar energy is so cheap. Sophie Vorrath, Renew­Economy.com.au, June 7, 2016:

    The ambitious … $1.2 billion project (for a solar thermal power plant in Port Augusta) was officially launched … on Tuesday by Solastor’s high-profile chairman, John Hewson, who said he was confident the technology could produce the lowest-price 24/7 solar power in the world.

    Cheap? So, why does he need taxpayer money? Michael Owen, The Australian, August 18, 2017:

    The federal government’s $110 million promised for solar thermal technology in South Australia may be shared … Former Liberal leader John Hewson … chairman of Port Augusta Graphite Energy (formerly Solarstor) said his company’s project would seek to access some of the federal money.

    Hewson explains birthday cake GST to Mike Willesee. A Current Affair, Nine Network, March 3, 1993:

    Well, it will depend on whether cakes today in that shop are subject to sales tax … Let’s assume they don’t have a sales tax … then that birthday cake is going to be sales tax free. Then of course you wouldn’t pay — it would be exempt, would, sorry — there would be no GST on it under our system. If it was one with a sales tax … then the difference would be the difference between the two taxes … how it’s decorated, because there will be sales tax perhaps on … decorations

    Hewson explains why GST on birthday cake lost him the 1993 election. Enough Rope with Andrew Denton, ABC TV, August 7, 2006:

    Well, I answered the question honestly … I should have told …(Willesee) to get stuffed!

    Who read the report on the dud aid project? ABC’s Q&A, October 15:

    Senator James Paterson: The questioner (asked), ‘How do we solve poverty?’ and I think it’s Jeffrey’s friend Bono put it best when he said that “Entrepreneurial capitalism has reduced poverty far more than foreign aid ever will” …

    Jeffrey Sachs: It’s fine, entrepreneurship … But let’s not sloganeer when the question is getting kids in school … basic healthcare … basic water …

    Paterson: It’s not a slogan …

    Sachs: Well … (it’s) not going to save those kids next year … so it’s a slogan.

    Paterson: … Lots of things you have recommended haven’t worked either.

    Sachs: … What I have helped to lead has been a massive decline of poverty … what you’re saying is a glib slogan …

    Paterson: Jeffrey, you should know … about what some of the limitations of foreign aid … a UK government review of your recent Millennium Villages Project in Ghana showed that after five years and … £11 million of UK taxpayers’ money … virtually no progress was made on poverty and hunger.

    Sachs: … You read the Daily Mail!

    Paterson: No, I read the report …

    Host Tony Jones: Frankly, I read the report also and it said that multi­dimensional poverty was cut sharply, and that incomes went up, so you read a different report.

    What the report said. Impact Evaluation Millennium Villages Project in Northern Ghana, August:

    The project … did not meet its stated goals … The evaluation observed no impact … on the level of poverty or hunger … child mortality, immunisation rates, antenatal care, access to drinking water … the results could have been achieved at significantly lower costs.

  229. None

    Now the refugees sit there. They have nothing to do. Theirs must be the most tedious life on earth. The children really suffer as they watch their depressed and worried parents act even more restless and unhappy.

    A load of garbage. Refugees are free to come and go and work in the community and some have actually set up small businesses and are flourishing. The rest of them can always cough up their real identity and go home or agree to be settled elsewhere. If they’re stupid enough to pay tens of thousands get on a boat and attempt illegal entry they are stupid enough to stay on a roof forever.

  230. Death Giraffe

    Better get used to it. Sod your rules for atheists.

    ..
    No.
    I just want you to either give a logical and consistent athiest case against slitting te spinal chords of new born babies, or admit the truth: as an atheist there is no reason for you to give two shits.

  231. DrBeauGan

    I did. Immediatly after the post you siezed on with the “You good because scared God”.
    You didn’t read it.
    Too excited with the lame, standard “gotcha”.

    Link to it. I was probably scrolling past None..

  232. Death Giraffe

    Link to it.

    ..
    Can’t be stuffed.
    Move on.

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