Après Donald le déluge

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I can see many advantages to the Democrats from the fake bomb business. It changes the subject from how well PDT and the American economy is doing as the US heads into the last week before its mid-term elections. They get to pretend they are victims, which is an important leftist meme. The party of Antifa gets to harangue on the importance of civility in politics. All of the media can go off on another set of rants about Republicans. Best of all, no Democrat was ever in the slightest danger of harm since none of the ones on the target list open their own mail.

And no matter how I look at it, I cannot see this as anything other than a very sophisticated Democrat operation. All these bombs and not an arrest in sight. The kind of deep knowledge one would need to pull off even one of these without detection is quite intense, never mind eight or nine, with the numbers still rising. And if they do pin it on someone eventually, I suspect it will be along the lines of the chap Hilary stitched up for the murders in Benghazi because of some video he had produced. Not only liars to the core, but presenting their lies to some of the most willingly gullible people who have ever lived. Just the kinds of people who will take global warming and Keynesian economics as valid reflections of reality.

In my view, but who knows, we are never going to know who really sent these fake bombs to this almost perfectly concocted target list. And I can only say there must be some really irritated lefties who feel genuinely affronted by not having been included in the A list of targets. Meanwhile, GOP candidate received letter threatening his 7 children.

That one looks a lot more genuine than the rest. And for the record, I am also as cynical about the fall in share markets around the world. How hard would it be for George Soros and his mates to sell off a parcel of shares all by themselves just to depress the market for a week or two even while the Fed starts to raise rates?

Meanwhile, there are all those people who are voting for a living, and they enter the US by the caravan full: Half America Gets More In Welfare Than Pays In Taxes…

Donald Trump has been a respite from this relentless effort to undermine the values and integrity of the West and our way of life. Enjoy it while you can for après Donald le déluge.

PROVIDING BALANCE: There is, of course, the possibility that whomever has been sending these phoney bombs through the mail is actually a Republican. How can this be denied, since we have zero idea of who has done it or why. To provide us with the additional certainty such moments require is what CNN is for: Debunking the despicable ‘false flag’ theory on the mail bombs. Summarising:

Campaign politics tends to be a lowest-common-denominator business. If something works — no matter how loathsome or even untrue — then it gets used. The end always justifies the means — and the end is always and only winning.

And yet, even by that incredibly low bar, what some right-wing pundits have done in the wake of 10 mail pipe bombs being sent to prominent prominent Trump critics, Democratic politicians, party donors and CNN’s New York office is astonishing. In short: They have suggested — with zero evidence — that is all one big hoax designed to help Democrats in the 2018 midterms, a classic “false flag” operation….

This is both hugely cynical and incredibly logistically difficult. The cynical part is self-explanatory. But consider what Limbaugh and his ilk are suggesting — from a purely logistical perspective. Here’s what would have had to happen for the events of Wednesday to be a false flag:

1. Someone or someones who wanted to help Democrats — and the media, I guess, somehow? — would send a series of pipe bombs to prominent Democrats around the country.

2. Then Democrats or the media or, again, someone, would have to have coordinated with the state and local police — not to mention federal authorities — so that law enforcement said that these were functional bombs (even though, again, according to this theory, they weren’t).

Which, um, is not what happened. As any reasonable person — regardless of your political affiliation — can recognize that that sort of broad conspiracy not only stretches the bounds of the possible but snaps them in two.

It is all so obvious, I am amazed such clarity has only occurred within the Democrat media and to no one else.

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197 Responses to Après Donald le déluge

  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    MSM is still pushing the notion the bombs are real. The left love to play victim, even though they are fascists.

  2. Craig Mc

    It’s pretty obvious all the “bombs” are fake. What’s the point of a timer on a letter bomb, other than to make it *really* look like a bomb to the average Joe. So their purpose isn’t to maim or kill, just scare, or more likely, sew (even more) dissension.

    I wouldn’t put it past the Russians. Low cost, high turmoil and trivial for them to run. Just before an election, and they’ve got form. Anything that keeps the USA divided is good for them.

  3. jupes

    And no matter how I look at it, I cannot see this as anything other than a NOT very sophisticated Democrat operation.

    FIFY

    Where’s the sophistication? Get Clock Boy or similar to post a “bomb” (that isn’t) then leave the country before they are delivered.

  4. MPH

    The Dems would never lie about fake bombs, just like no woman ever makes a fake rape accusation… Honestly after Kavanaugh who would ever believe a word out of a Dems mouth.

    Everything was too perfect – they all arrived the same day, even one that supposedly couldn’t be delivered, and the hashtag #MAGAbomber was ready to go as well as the big news pieces – featuring photos of these ‘live devices’ no less. Not sure who blessed it but the fake martyrdom is classic leftism.

  5. sdfc

    Just the kinds of people who will take global warming and Keynesian economics as valid reflections of reality.

    Trumpy’s bitching about rate hikes suggests he’s a believer in Keynesian economics.

  6. wozzup

    Remember the burning of Germany’s Reichstag in February 1933 which allowed Hitler to introduce a raft of repressive laws.
    In March 1933 Germany went to the polls again, Hitler having previously been sworn in as head of a coalition government on 30 January 1933 and thereby, the Nazis came to fully to power with the support of their allies, the German National People’s Party while Germany’s fake media of the day (yes they existed even then) beat up the story to support “their” party much as the fake media still does today in USA. The Nazis never released their hold on power until 60 million people were dead and half the world was in ruins.
    This may yet turn out to be a crazed Rightist, but why would anyone – even a crazed person do this now when it is beginning to look as if the Left is about to take a drubbing at the forthcoming election? It s\does not smell right, And so I fear that America’s Left has learnt their lesson well from history, and that is where a sensible investigator should look for blame. Remember the old Roman adage in law which enjoins investigators to ask “who benefits?”

  7. Jo Smyth

    I reckon Hollywood has a hand in this. Someone who makes these kind of things for a living, to make them look real for the film industry. Very strange that Robert De Niro, who happens to hate Trump, should receive one.

  8. Oh come on

    I can see many advantages to the Democrats from the fake bomb business. It changes the subject from how well PDT and the American economy is doing as the US heads into the last week before its mid-term elections.

    I cannot see many advantages. The Dems were already red-hot in terms of their motivation to vote. The Kavanaugh confirmation was a colossal Dem own-goal that fired up previously lethargic GOP voters. The Dem enthusiasm advantage has been lost.

    The critical distinction lies in the impression all this is having on independent voters. I don’t think these bombs – or cosmetic bombs – will shift the needle much against the GOP, unless it is convincingly proven that it was a GOP tactic. The obvious explanation is that it’s the work of some crazy person and I don’t think that will have much impact on the race.

  9. jupes

    Jupes’ betting market on who is responsible for the #fakebombs:

    Democrat supporter: $1.01

    Loon: $1.10

    Trump supporter: $100

  10. Oh come on

    The obvious explanation is that it’s the work of some crazy person

    Bingo!

  11. Herodotus

    Again it will be Trump who is blamed rather than the Dems – whose behaviour has been appalling and provocative in the extreme – and calls for civility will all go one way.
    And the lone wolf meme won’t get a run from the NYT and WaPo.

  12. There goes your false flag theories, up in smoke. #magabomber

    Honestly, you people sound insane.

  13. Oh come on

    Although Jupes is bankrupt.

  14. Oh no OCO, you don’t get off that lightly. You lot have been mumbling about false flags for days, and now it turns out this guy is a real, genuine regular Republican with a MAGA van. You better believe I am here for this thread.

    Anyone who still blames Soros for this is an anti-Semitic racist loon.

  15. Oh come on

    I do think that some people jumped the gun here. As I wrote above.

    now it turns out this guy is a real, genuine regular Republican with a MAGA van

    That’s a lie. He is not a “real, genuine regular Republican”. How do we know he is not a “real, genuine regular Republican? Because he has a MAGA van!!

    You’re so full of shit, m0nty.

  16. Oh come on

    He is a nutbag. That’s it. This kind of craziness happens on both sides.

  17. That’s a lie. He is not a “real, genuine regular Republican”. How do we know he is not a “real, genuine regular Republican? Because he has a MAGA van!!

    Regular Republicans believe all the things that the #MAGAbomber believes. He is one of them. He is just a little more active about it, with a few more stickers than the average.

  18. Clam Chowdah

    This guy absolutely represents all republicans, just like the dick that shot up the political ball game represents all Democrats.

    Simples.

  19. Oh come on

    Applying m0nty’s theory consistently, that guy who shot up the GOP congressional baseball game and almost killed Steve Scalise was a “real, genuine regular” Democrat. If not why not, m0nty?

  20. Oh come on

    Regular Democrats believe all the things that the congressional baseball shooter believes. He is one of them. He is just a little more active about it, with a few more casualties than the average.

  21. You may try it on with the “oh he is just a crazy person” schtick but his social media stuff sounds exactly like the average Cat commenter, with the grammar of Fred Lenin. If he is crazy, what does that imply for all of you Cats who have been echoing his posts for months?

  22. Oh come on

    You’re lying, m0nty. Just stop it.

  23. Oh come on

    His social media stuff sounds like that of the average crazy person.

  24. Oh come on

    m0nty’s amazing discovery – people say dumb shit on the internet. Hell, m0nty’s at it right now.

  25. Herodotus

    There’s quite a difference between the entire Democrat hierarchy advocating the sort of behaviour and machinations we saw against Kavanaugh, against Trump, against various Republicans, and some guy who’s obviously an outlier going crackerdog with fake bombs. The exhortations to violence have been legion on the Dem side of the line, and the reaction of voters to Dem “incivility” was predictably in the wrong direction so close to the mid terms.
    Where’s the Republican equivalent to Maxine Waters? Where’s your isolated nutter meme now that it’s appropriate? Was he working from a terrorist handbook promulgated by his religion?

  26. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Anyone who still blames Soros for this is an anti-Semitic racist loon.

    Of course he is to blame, this hoax “bomber” is just a reaction to leftist lunacy.

  27. rickw

    You’re lying, m0nty. Just stop it.

    Monty is a typical lying left wing piece of crap.

  28. Applying m0nty’s theory consistently, that guy who shot up the GOP congressional baseball game and almost killed Steve Scalise was a “real, genuine regular” Democrat. If not why not, m0nty?

    Here we come to the nub of it. You lot pretend that you are the eternal victims, that it’s always exclusively the left who initiate violence. And now comes the #MAGAbomber to expose your hypocrisy. Thanks for playing.

    This is a reminder to midterm voters about who it is who likes to sow chaos and discord in politics. I expect Trump to ramp up the racism to unforeseen levels in the next week. He would be getting fairly desperate.

  29. Oh, and happy October Surprise everyone!

  30. Oh come on

    Here we come to the nub of it. You lot pretend that you are the eternal victims, that it’s always exclusively the left who initiate violence. And now comes the #MAGAbomber to expose your hypocrisy. Thanks for playing.

    You’re such a low-energy loser m0nty. Your double standards are exposed and the above is the best you can do? Pathetic.

  31. Oh come on

    Happy Muellerween, m0nty!

  32. Craig Mc

    Native American, ‘roid-abusing, clapped-out stripper, van-living, veterinarian wannabe.

    Sure sounds like your typical Republican.

  33. Dianeh

    Craig.

    You left out violent criminal who is a nutter.

    A lawyer who had represented Sayoc in prior legal matters, Ronald Scott Lowy, told CBS News that he felt Sayoc “wasn’t always in his right mind.”

    From

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cesar-sayoc-what-we-know-about-the-suspect-in-the-pipe-bomb-case/news-story/c205513267f401e8b11442acd01c1bf1

  34. Oh come on

    You mean the media reports you read suggest he could be Filipino, m0nty. Stop lying. If that’s possible.

  35. Also LOL at Kates using a quote from a member of the French aristocracy. Ready the tumbrels, comrades!

  36. John Constantine

    Has their waleed, their golden calf, come out to provide their abc with the sound-bite declaring van-man to be a lone wolf that is nothing to do with politics yet?.

  37. PB

    Anything stated by CNN can be safely assumed to be a lie.

  38. PB

    “You may try it on with the “oh he is just a crazy person” schtick but his social media stuff sounds exactly like the average Cat commenter…”

    How many Katy Perry followers are here? Lena Dunham?

  39. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2850077, posted on October 27, 2018 at 7:11 am
    Oh, and happy October Surprise everyone!

    So explain to us, reactionary lackey of the fascist left, how Demorats and you knew that there would be an “October Surprise” that would help them weeks before a supposed Republican produced an “October Surprise”?

  40. Hay Stockard

    Yeah. He’s been arrested. Like the film maker responsible for Benghazi. Such an easy target it’s a gift. Let’s wait till the evidence is offered in court. Probably after the mid-terms.

  41. Empire 5:5

    This is a reminder to midterm voters about who it is who likes to sow chaos and discord in politics.

    Yes it is. Jobs, not mobs.

    The DNC ecosystem has been inciting violence against POTUS since he was elected. Earlier this month William Clyde Allen III attempted to kill Mattis and Trump with rincin.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/william-clyde-allen-iii/

    You need a new playbook.

  42. Boambee John

    From Instapundit

    m0nty

    Do all Demorats own this one?

    Justin Tolomeo, Special Agent in Charge of the Milwaukee Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a news release Jeremy Ryan, 30, of the Town of Madison has been charged with attempted possession of radioactive material with intent to cause death.

    Ryan allegedly attempted to buy the lethal dose in March and October of 2018. He was arrested on Tuesday.

    Ryan, who was dubbed “Segway Boy” faced multiple felony drug charges in 2016. He got the nickname after he was seen riding a Segway around the state capitol in 2011 taunting Republican lawmakers.

    He also attempted a congressional run against Paul Ryan in 2012.

  43. calli

    Were the “bombs” live?

  44. lotocoti

    Were the “bombs” live?

    In the same manner as ACME bombs.

  45. calli

    Found my answer.

    Cops also said Thursday that they believed the crudely-built devices, fashioned from a digital clock, wiring and shrapnel, had been designed to scare people rather than kill.

    So not ricin in an envelope then.

    That’s nice.

  46. cohenite

    Once again the little troll sprouts canards like shit from a fly’s arse. From the thread at Breitbart about the capture (sic) of this person:

    The guy’s rap sheet goes back to 1992….he’s a kook! He’s been convicted of Felonies so how could he vote in Florida? His new Van appears to have no damage to it….Imagine living in Broward County, which is thick with leftists, pasting Pro-Trump, Anti-Hillary, and CNN Sucks in your vehicle’s windows and no destruction to your vehicle!

    Maybe he’s Blasey Ford’s cousin and Swetnick’s love-child.

  47. Tel

    James Comey has investigated this matter deeply and explains that the suspect posted in the mail what look a lot like pipe bombs, and this is a crime bordering on terrorism, so therefore no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case against this Native American who had no intent.

  48. calli

    So we have a halfwitted zealot, not a murderous zealot.

    Unless he wanted to scare a mail clerk to death.

  49. calli

    We have our quintessential Florida Man.

    Perfect.

  50. Nob

    UK media is still reporting them as “bombs”.

    Are they or aren’t they?

  51. Dr Fred Lenin

    The fact that the accused iiis a “registered republican” is convenient for the fascist left however this has the strong odour of a carefully planned unicorn conspiricy ,a sort of CIA / KGB cunning plan . Why would a trump suppppoorter doo this when everyone in the USA knowss the decromats are in for a flogging in the mid terms it would be counterproductive ,non exploding bombs ? This leaves these conclusions :
    1 ) the guuys is certifiable .
    2) the left have fake news,why not fake bombs?
    3) he has been hit at by an undercover decromat agent ,bribed?
    4). Gilding the lily with all those Trump stickers don’t you think ?
    Still *I suppose it’s a bit sophisticated and clever for the CIA FBI ,the left is not noted for beiclever .

  52. calli

    The guy is a loon who has a history of making threats before.

    A flea in search of a dog?

    Sounds like he found a great big golden retriever and latched on.

  53. Tel

    When asked his opinion on the pipe bomb hoax, Gillum replied, “No one will ever be considered illegal under a Governor Andrew Gillum because Florida will become a sanctuary state.”

    That’s mighty forgiving of you Andrew.

  54. Bruce

    How were ALL of these devices delivered?

    If by “post’, there will be cancelled stamps that clearly indicate at least one post office they went through. Cameras in said initial post office?

    Were the stamps officially cancelled or done “artistically”?

    Being bogus devices, if posted, real metal pipes would be picked up on any “metal-scanning” devices; not so plastic. Airport-grade densitometer scanners will pick up EVERYTHING and lead to “further investigation”. How many mail exchanges are equipped with such equipment, staffed by competent operators on a round-the-clock basis.

    If any actual PROPER investigation of these “devices” does not clearly reveal a functional initiation system, AND a “safety” system, then it will be clear that the whole thing is just another bit of low-rent political theatre. Spreading fear and, more importantly, CONFUSION, is what this is really all about.

  55. Snoopy

    I feel a bit frustrated that the authorities have not revealed the exact nature of the ‘explosive’ material. It seems they want to leave it to people’s overwrought imagination.

  56. calli

    Bruce, you make good points.

    But all that will happen after the mid-terms. When all is forgotten.

  57. MPH

    Read some of the guys Facebook posts and then tell me with a straight face he could conceive of and execute a multi-state psychological-based scare campaign all alone…

  58. Boambee John

    Strange, m0nty was all over this thread like a particularly nasty rash until a few examples of genuine Demorat violence that had been ignored by the MSM were posted. Then silence. Very odd!

  59. Dr Fred Lenin

    Snoopy, the “explosive “ white powder was probably flour , cheap and freely available .
    Bruce’s post office points are really relevant , mail to prominent lefties like these and CNN Pravda would be monitored ,so many people hate them it would be a requirement to protect the criminals from heir victims .
    The timing of this unicorn is impeccable ,two weeks before the decromats are flogged ,it’s the desperation stakes as punters call the last race
    The whole thing has an unnreality about it ,was it writtten in communist holllywood?

  60. LOL at you lot, troofers right to the bitter end. You really would forgive Trump shooting a man dead on Fifth Avenue.

  61. Mr Black

    Only if it was a democrat he shot.

  62. Snoopy

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #2850214, posted on October 27, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Snoopy, the “explosive “ white powder was probably flour , cheap and freely available .

    Yes, Dr Fred, that’s exactly what I was thinking. But it would take the edge off the hysteria if that knowledge was released to the proles.

  63. stackja

    Why was the suspect, given record, not still in custody? Dem official or judge?

  64. cohenite

    LOL at you lot, troofers right to the bitter end. You really would forgive Trump shooting a man dead on Fifth Avenue.

    Projecting troll. Every leftie celebrity from madona to Attenborough to de niro to depp to the NYT to demorat senators has openly advocated killing Trump. That’s your side troll.

  65. JC

    LOL at you lot, troofers right to the bitter end. You really would forgive Trump shooting a man dead on Fifth Avenue.

    We’d have to ascertain the motive, Fatboy. Motive!

  66. calli

    US ABC saying bombs give off heat and energy with the intent “to maim or kill”.

    Huh?

    What is it then? Designed to scare or kill? It’s like squid ink.

  67. bollux

    He should be charged with stupidity at the very least. Who would put a digital timer in a letter bomb? Obviously made in Hollywood.

  68. calli

    Ahhhhh…the media want Trump to “tone down the rhetoric”. In other words Shut Up!

    Curious.

  69. Zatara

    If he had operated that van with those stickers obscuring the windows he wouldn’t have gotten a mile before the Broward cops had him in the back of a patrol car and the van towed to impound. That’s a major motor vehicle infraction there.

    The stickers themselves appear to be very unique, professionally made, vinyl appliques. Not cheap.

    The shelf life of a vehicle with those stickers in Broward County would be nil. The leftists would have beaten it to death had they ever seen it.

    So I guess he only puts the stickers on for special occasions, like when he’s hiding from the FBI.

  70. cohenite

    I generally detest conspiracies but like the Las Vegas shooter this has crap written all over it.

  71. stackja

    calli
    #2850232, posted on October 27, 2018 at 11:41 am

    Will Antifa “tone down the rhetoric”? Yes. I know.

  72. stackja

    No, Stop, No: MSNBC Host Goes Nuts When Confronted With Past Examples Of Violent Left Wing Rhetoric
    Matt Vespa Matt Vespa | @mvespa1 |Posted: Oct 26, 2018 4:25 PM

  73. Another desperate wingnut talking point debunked.

    FBI Director Chris Wray said the devices all had the potential to explode and were not fake.

    “Each device consisted of roughly six inches of PVC pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as ‘energetic material,’ which is essentially potential explosives and material that give off heat and energy through a reaction to heat, shock or friction,” Wray said. “Though we are still analyzing the devices in our laboratory, these are not hoax devices.”

  74. Snoopy

    Imagine the electoral traction Democrats may have received from the #MAGAbomber if they hadn’t spent the last year or so shooting and bashing Republican congressmen, bashing people in the nation’s streets and campuses, posting ricin poison to their perceived enemies, threatening children, exhorting violence on Republicans etc etc ……

  75. Snoopy

    “Each device consisted of roughly six inches of PVC pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as ‘energetic material,’

    Forgetting that no mention is made of an actual timing device capable of triggering a detonater, or indeed a detonator, why would anyone send a real bomb with a clock through the post, Monty?

  76. Snoopy

    He looks a lot like a Filipino doesn’t he Monty?

  77. He looks a lot like a Filipino doesn’t he Monty?

    His given names also suggest Italian lineage. Could be JC’s secret lovechild.

  78. Snoopy

    It’s not necessary to subscribe to theories of a corrupt and partisan FBI to explain why the FBI might play this for all it’s worth. Disasters and crises are windfalls for bureaucracies. Wray will be salivating at the prospect of increased counterterrorism funding, more agents, more laws to enforce etc etc.

  79. Death Giraffe

    Each device consisted of roughly six inches of PVC pipe,

    ..
    Twice as long as Monty’s dick.

  80. Death Giraffe

    and material that give off heat and energy through a reaction to heat, shock or friction

    ..
    Hand warmers?

  81. None

    Judging by Mr sticker Van’s rap sheet, he’s a few roos short in the top paddock

  82. A reminder from the ADL about the sources of American domestic terrorism:

    Over the past 10 years (2008-17), domestic extremists have been responsible for at least 387 murders; of these, 274 (71%) were committed by right-wing extremists of one type or another.

  83. Zatara

    “Each device consisted of roughly six inches of PVC pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as ‘energetic material,’

    Notice he didn’t mention a detonator, which is an obviously necessary component to any mail bomb. Nor did it have a trigger or initiation method, both of which are also necessary. Without those things what you have is a hand full of junk taped together in such a way as to give the impression of a bomb. In other words, a prop.

    He mentioned a ‘small clock’ but what he didn’t say is that clocks are useless in mail bombs as there is no way to ensure where the bomb is when it goes off. Mail bombs are designed with features to trigger the bomb to explode when opened. This didn’t happen because they were never designed, constructed or intended to do so. Those particular clocks were even more useless than others as they had no alarm feature thus providing no way to trigger anything. They were eye candy to make the props look real.

    …. ‘energetic material,’ which is essentially potential explosives and material that give off heat and energy through a reaction to heat, shock or friction

    I doubt there is a material on earth that won’t react with enough heat, shock, or friction. If there were explosives he would have said so.

    These were props from the word go. Wray is dancing around using weasel words because dancing costs him nothing but admitting it will bring in the wrath of the left for ruining their meme.

  84. Notice he didn’t mention a detonator, which is an obviously necessary component to any mail bomb. Nor did it have a trigger or initiation method, both of which are also necessary. Without those things what you have is a hand full of junk taped together in such a way as to give the impression of a bomb. In other words, a prop.

    Do you think maybe he might not have described it in full so as not to give a too-detailed set of instructions for copycat bomb makers?

  85. woolfe

    Flour and coal dust are explosive with the right concentrations of air and a decent initiator. Underground explosions in coal mines can start as a methane detonation which triggers the coal dust in the air. This is why some mines have walls of lime dust which douse the explosion by diluting the coal dust. Disclaimer I have never worked full time in a coal mine.

    Anyway unlikely to get this type of explosion in a small pipe.

  86. cohenite

    Do you think maybe he might not have described it in full so as not to give a too-detailed set of instructions for copycat bomb makers?

    You’re not described in full troll yet there are thousands of dickheads like you out there.

  87. Snoopy

    What’s this top secret detonator thing of which you speak, Monty?

  88. Tel

    Do you think maybe he might not have described it in full so as not to give a too-detailed set of instructions for copycat bomb makers?

    Yeah, because detonators are available at your local hardware store.

    Look, any “pipe bomb” made with PVC pipe isn’t.

    Any “mail bomb” made with a digital timer (you know to exactly go off right after the mail gets delivered, because we all know mail gets delivered right on time every time) isn’t.

    Nothing about these bombs has the slightest thing do do with bomb making. We are talking about a guy who could not even spell “Schultz”. Yet strangely enough he also knew the private address of every important “Progressive” bigwig … astoundingly clever some of the time and roided up stoopid at other times. This guy might as well have “dumb patsy” stamped on his forehead.

  89. Zatara

    Do you think maybe he might not have described it in full so as not to give a too-detailed set of instructions for copycat bomb makers?

    No, I don’t. Because those were props. Copycat’s could make those all day and not harm a fly.

    If someone wants to make a proper bomb there are instructions all over the internet.

  90. Snoopy

    Don’t bother answering me, Monty. I googled “simple timed detonator” and found heaps of stuff on YouTube.

  91. No, I don’t. Because those were props. Copycat’s could make those all day and not harm a fly.

    You don’t know they were props. You are merely guessing that there wasn’t a detonator. There could have been one but Wray chose not to mention it for security reasons. It is Wray’s duty not to disclose information that enables copycats to kill innocent people.

  92. Wave hello to Five Eyes, Snoopy. You just made their list.

  93. Seco

    Hispanics are rednecks now?

  94. Tel

    Don’t bother answering me, Monty. I googled “simple timed detonator” and found heaps of stuff on YouTube.

    You won’t be flying anywhere in the near future.

  95. JC

    m0nty
    #2850270, posted on October 27, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    A reminder from the ADL about the sources of American domestic terrorism:

    Over the past 10 years (2008-17), domestic extremists have been responsible for at least 387 murders; of these, 274 (71%) were committed by right-wing extremists of one type or another.

    Fatboy,

    The Left was once propagandizing that communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, was a far right loon.

    Anything said by leftwing aligned groups isn’t worth a pinch of shit without evidence and then more corroborating evidence and then some more. The Left lies. STFU.

  96. Bear Necessities

    From Trump in North Carolina tonight:

    “The media’s constant unfair coverage, deep hostility, and negative attacks… only serve to drive people apart and undermine healthy debate,” Trump says. He says “we have seen an effort by the media” to use the “sinister acts by one individuals to score political points against me and the Republican Party.”

    He knows how to push the right button. This will drive the media insane.

  97. Seco

    This guy really covered his tracks well.

  98. Entropy

    m0nty
    #2850292, posted on October 27, 2018 at 1:27 pm
    Wave hello to Five Eyes, Snoopy. You just made their list.

    Pretty sure all of us on this blog, including you Monty, have been looked at more energetically than your run of the mill steroid popping van dweller.

  99. Anything said by leftwing aligned groups isn’t worth a pinch of shit without evidence and then more corroborating evidence and then some more. The Left lies. STFU.

    Wow JC, you’re attacking the ADL? Courageous of you.

  100. Pretty sure all of us on this blog, including you Monty, have been looked at more energetically than your run of the mill steroid popping van dweller.

    Yeah I dunno about that Entropy. I don’t think the Cat matters much. MV would have a file a mile long due to his history elsewhere, most of the rest of us aren’t worth worrying about.

  101. tgs

    This post and thread is a bit unhinged

    Given the population in a very rough sense splits democrat and republican in similar but not exact proportions and there is always a certain amount of batshit insane people is it really so hard to believe a Trump supporter did this?

    Does that mean it’s Trump’s fault? Of course not. But these conspiracy theories are fucking retarded.

  102. mh

    Remember how Monty dismissed the attempted assasination of Republican Steve Scalise?

    Monty brushed it aside as “a graze”.

  103. calli

    There could have been one but Wray chose not to mention it for security reasons.

    Seriously?

    He mentioned the pipe, the contents, the clock and the possible way it could explode but not a detonator because “security”?

  104. Zatara

    You don’t know they were props. You are merely guessing that there wasn’t a detonator. There could have been one but Wray chose not to mention it for security reasons.

    Yeah actually, I do. Because I know what is required for an object to be a “bomb”. They include a trigger of some sort and a detonator, neither of them existed in this case.

    Did any of them explode? No.
    Why? Because they weren’t supposed to.

    Here, let the UN explain it to you in this obviously Top Secret document

  105. Entropy

    Does that mean it’s Trump’s fault? Of course not. But these conspiracy theories are fucking retarded.

    Quite so

  106. Oh come on

    Um, people. Ignore m0nty, he’s an idiot.

    Here’s the thing. The perp is a crazy person. I think everyone can see that. Crazy people do crazy things and crazy people may also have political affiliations which they view through their crazy rubric.

    Is this an October Surprise, as dummy m0nty so desperately hopes? No, no it’s not. Why not? Because the perp is a crazy person. And he’s been crazy for many years prior to Trump coming on the scene. The only people who think this is going to be a factor in the midterms are morons like m0nty, ie. people who desperately wish it to be so and would never vote GOP anyway.

  107. You don’t know they were props. You are merely guessing that there wasn’t a detonator. There could have been one but Wray chose not to mention it for security reasons.

    Yeah actually, I do. Because I know what is required for an object to be a “bomb”. They include a trigger of some sort and a detonator, neither of them existed in this case.

    How do you know they didn’t exist? You are going entirely on Wray’s word. Which means you don’t have any way of disproving my point. Wray could have deliberately omitted to mention them.

  108. I’m just curious about the van.
    It doesn’t seem to fit in the story, somehow.

  109. Snoopy

    You’re a wanker, Monty.

  110. I’m just curious about the van.
    It doesn’t seem to fit in the story, somehow.

    There was talk that he was living in it, because his house got foreclosed on in 2009 by a bank chaired by Steve Mnuchin. But those are the sort of details that tend to be wrong on the first day of a story like this.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the dude had planned to culminate his terrorist plan by running down pedestrians at a leftist rally like in Charlottesville.

  111. Boambee John


    “Each device consisted of roughly six inches of PVC pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as ‘energetic material,’ which is essentially potential explosives and material that give off heat and energy through a reaction to heat, shock or friction,”

    Dust (and flour) will explode in the right circumstances city boy. Ask some of the farmers who post here.

  112. Zatara

    How do you know they didn’t exist? You are going entirely on Wray’s word. Which means you don’t have any way of disproving my point. Wray could have deliberately omitted to mention them.

    There are pictures of the props all over the internet. They contain neither a detonator nor (more importantly) any means to trigger a detonator, nor (even more importantly) any explosives.

    10 minutes ago you didn’t know what a detonator was. You thought ‘energetic material’ = explosives. You still don’t have a clue as to how a mail bomb is triggered.

    You accepted without question an article that sounded like it confirmed what you wanted to hear and then made a nana-nana-nah-na post about it thinking it proved something.

    It didn’t.

  113. Snoopy

    How many counts of attempted murder will Sayoc be charged with?

  114. Snoopy

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the dude had planned to culminate his terrorist plan by running down pedestrians at a leftist rally like in Charlottesville.

    Getting inside information from Christopher Wray isn’t playing fair, Monty.

  115. Boambee John

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the dude had planned to culminate his terrorist plan by running down pedestrians at a leftist rally like in Charlottesville.

    He’s a Muslim?

  116. There are pictures of the props all over the internet. They contain neither a detonator nor (more importantly) any means to trigger a detonator, nor (even more importantly) any explosives.

    Uh huh. So why does a search of Sayoc detonator return multiple news stories where detonators are mentioned based on off-the-record interviews with cops? For example.

    The bombs were made from PVC pipe with a digital timer attached to set off the detonator and contained powder from either a low explosive or pyrotechnic, as in fireworks, law enforcement officials told NBC News on Wednesday. X-rays of the devices showed there could be pieces of shrapnel inside the pipes.

    And again.

    On Monday night, an explosive device was found at the suburban New York home of billionaire philanthropist and Democratic donor George Soros . The pipe bomb, affixed with a detonator, was reportedly hand-delivered, not sent through the mail, and discovered by a caretaker, who then called the police.

    Wray’s comments are not conclusive, Zatara.

  117. Snoopy

    Uh huh. So why does a search of Sayoc detonator return multiple news stories where detonators are mentioned based on off-the-record interviews with cops?

    So who are you going to believe, Monty: a clueless journalist (BIRM) or your lyin’ eyes?

  118. So who are you going to believe, Monty: a clueless journalist (BIRM) or your lyin’ eyes?/blockquote>

    I am certainly not going to believe some rando on Reddit or the chans, as Zatara seems to be doing.

  119. .

    monty

    What you did to JC in this thread is reprehensible. Don’t be a prick.

  120. Oh come on

    FFS. This is insane. I don’t know what the chances are that the guy who’s been arrested did it, but its gotta be very high. I don’t understand the desperate need for the perp to not be a Trump supporter. Crazy people happen and every well-known politician has crazy supporters. This guy’s actions are the actions of a crazy person. They are not remotely characteristic of a Trump supporter. They’re actually far more characteristic of the activist left.

    And of course the left (ie. dim bulbs like m0nty) is going to try and tie this man’s actions to Trump and the GOP. It isn’t going to work outside of people were never going to vote GOP anyway, because it’s very obvious this guy is a nutter who isn’t representative of any mainstream political figure on the right.

    You can make the argument that this kind of thing happening is symptomatic of the heightened political rhetoric that’s commonplace these days, but the fact is that ‘thought leaders’ on all sides are responsible for this.

  121. What you did to JC in this thread is reprehensible.

    Haha, and as he told me once: it all hurts. 😀

  122. They’re actually far more characteristic of the activist left.

    No. Historically – according to that ADL link above and others of its yearly reviews on that site – murders from domestic terrorism in the US are over two-thirds committed by white supremacists on the extreme right. Most of the rest of it is Islamic, with a relatively tiny amount by leftist extremists.

    The right is far, far more violent than the left. This is a matter of fact. Hacks like CL can squeal until they’re blue in the face about it, but the statistics don’t lie.

  123. jupes

    No. Historically – according to that ADL link above and others of its yearly reviews on that site – murders from domestic terrorism in the US are over two-thirds committed by white supremacists on the extreme right. Most of the rest of it is Islamic, with a relatively tiny amount by leftist extremists.

    Bollocks on stilts. Only an idiot would believe such obvious propaganda.

    Here is an article which easily debunks that bullshit. Some key points:

    Every time one of these articles crops up, a cursory glance at the source data it relies on reveals a myriad of flaws in its methods and therefore in its conclusions. It is highly likely that the next time you are confronted by someone claiming that “far-right terrorism” (or some variation of) is a greater threat than Islamic terrorism, they will be citing a report or article that contains most, if not all, of the below errors:

    A tally which starts after the biggest terror attack committed on U.S. soil.
    A tally which ends before the deadliest mass shooting on U.S. soil. (Both of these attacks were committed by jihadists.)
    A tally which fails to include certain other jihadist and right-wing attacks.
    A tally which misreports certain attacks as “right-wing” or “far-right”.
    A report which fails to include figures for Americans killed abroad.
    A report which ignores foiled plots.
    A report which ignores the number of non-fatal casualties.
    A report which is not calibrated to consider the disproportionate focus of counter-terror analysis on Islamic terrorism.
    A report which is not calibrated to consider the disproportionate number of attacks by Muslim extremists in relation to their lack of prevalence as a minority group.
    A report which conflates several disparate ideological motivations for non-Islamic terrorism by lumping them all into the “far-right” bracket.
    A report which ignores all terror attacks outside of the United States.

  124. I am bespoke

    m0nty
    #2850306, posted on October 27, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    Yeah I dunno about that Entropy. I don’t think the Cat matters much. MV would have a file a mile long due to his history elsewhere, most of the rest of us aren’t worth worrying about.

    If spooks are reading the Cat. Only one stands out who consistently cheers political harassment and violence. Ill give you a hint, monty….”you lot” is next level brake from reality. Go outside but stay away from vans and fire crackers.

  125. Bollocks on stilts. Only an idiot would believe such obvious propaganda.

    Here is an article which easily debunks that bullshit.

    That article was written in 2016 right after the Orlando nightclub incident. It’s true that for that year, Islamic terrorists murdered more Americans on home soil than right-wingers. But every year either side of that for the past decade, the murder numbers have been strongly towards right-wing terrorism. In other words, stop picking that one cherry.

    Also, Islamic terrorists are not leftists, which is why we were having this discussion in the first place. The goalposts are right versus left, not Islamic versus white. By any measure, right-wingers are far, far more violent than leftists on US soil.

  126. Also, LOL at the talking point of “hey if the government cracked down on right-wing terrorism there wouldn’t be as many murders”. Well DUH! So do you support a crack down on fringe right wing groups? Hell no you don’t. You lot screamed blue murder when right wing groups were held to regular tax law by the IRS, you sure wouldn’t support anything more than that.

  127. Iampeter

    The right is far, far more violent than the left. This is a matter of fact. Hacks like CL can squeal until they’re blue in the face about it, but the statistics don’t lie.

    White supremacists are on the far-left, not the right.
    Racists are the most primitive type of collectivists and like all collectivists, they are leftists.

    Right-wingers are individualists and you’re not going to find any violent ones.
    You’re also not going to find any at the Cat to argue with you since most posters here are pretty left wing and want rights-violating government as much as you do, Monty.
    Don’t make the mistake that most people make, of confusing the religious, traditionalist, collectivists of the conservative movement with right wingers.

    All we have in mainstream politics today are different types of dumb-ass leftists in a race to the bottom.

  128. I am bespoke

    m0nty your using an unrelated group that’s been largely disowned to bump up numbers for politicly motivated attacks.

    Apples/carrots

  129. rickw

    I haven’t seen Munty so energetic since Left wing nutcases were shooting Republicans at baseball games.

    Oh wait a minute…

  130. A Lurker

    I haven’t seen Munty so energetic since Left wing nutcases were shooting Republicans at baseball games.

    Oh wait a minute…

    Or that time in 2017 when a homosexual activist attempted to blow up the ACL HQ in Canberra with a van packed full of gas canisters.
    What was Monty’s excuse then? I can’t recollect but I’m sure that at the time he unleashed an entire herd of distraction unicorns onto catallaxy.

    p.s. This US bomber must be the most hopeless sod around – my takeaway understanding is that the ‘bombs’ were never intended to work, only to make the Dems appear as victims leading up to the mid-term elections. Really they are lower than a snake’s belly.

  131. The name suggest he is Filipino.

    Which name, Muttley? He has at least 9 identified so far.

  132. jupes

    That article was written in 2016 right after the Orlando nightclub incident. It’s true that for that year, Islamic terrorists murdered more Americans on home soil than right-wingers. But every year either side of that for the past decade, the murder numbers have been strongly towards right-wing terrorism. In other words, stop picking that one cherry.

    Projection on your part. The article applies to this century.

    By any measure, right-wingers are far, far more violent than leftists on US soil.

    Again, bollocks on stilts.

    Let’s go by the measure of murdering policeman or the attempted murders of politicians from one party over the last two years. What about the measure of killing babies in the womb? Or the measure of mass-murdering babies already born.

    You idiot.

  133. jupes

    I haven’t seen Munty so energetic since Left wing nutcases were shooting Republicans at baseball games.

    After the last couple of years the twit’s had, it’s no surprise he’s going off. He thinks he’s had a win with the #fake bomber looking like he’s a Trump supporter.

    Of course it doesn’t stop the rakemiester continuing to beclown himself though.

  134. Herodotus

    The name suggest he is Filipino.
    On Fox they were saying he identifies as a Semiknowall Indian.
    Or possibly Seminole.

  135. Let’s go by the measure of murdering policeman or the attempted murders of politicians from one party over the last two years. What about the measure of killing babies in the womb? Or the measure of mass-murdering babies already born.

    The goalposts are where they are, jupes, not where you want them to be.

  136. Herodotus

    The goalposts are where footy fantasists put them and then say that’s where they always were.

  137. jupes

    The goalposts are where they are, jupes, not where you want them to be.

    The goalposts as articulated by you:

    By any measure, right-wingers are far, far more violent than leftists on US soil.

    Measure 1: murdering policeman,
    Measure 2: attempted murders of politicians from one party over the last two years,
    Measure 3: killing babies in the womb, and
    Measure 4: mass-murdering babies already born.

    How many whacks with the clue-bat do you want?

  138. LOL at you lot, troofers right to the bitter end. You really would forgive Trump shooting a man dead on Fifth Avenue.

    No, no, we won’t be lectured to by those that actually, not only forgave the man that left a women to drown alone at the foot of a bridge while retiring to bed, but had the temerity to call this moral cretin the Lion of the Senate.

  139. stackja

    Democrats/MSM rhetoric.

  140. Hay Stockard

    Please stop responding to the leftard. The smell of Pooh reminds me of a stack yard. It’s not the diseased fat a rite thrives on attention. Ignore it. It will go away.

  141. jupes

    Ignore it. It will go away.

    Beclowning the idiot is more fun.

  142. None

    So Monty why do you hang out here ar the Cat which is populated by right wingers and pro Trumpers who are prone to sending pipe bombs?

  143. None

    So Monty why do you hang out here at the Cat which is populated by right wingers and pro Trumpers who are prone to sending pipe bombs?

  144. Hay Stockard

    Monty and numbers. Pigs lie with pigs.

  145. mh

    ALLEGED ‘MAGA BOMBER’ CESAR SAYOC ONLY FOLLOWS LEFT-WING PEOPLE ON TWITTER

    ……However, the alleged bomber’s Twitter follower activity seems a little at odds with the image of him being a Trump voter.
    Out of the 32 people Sayoc follows on Twitter, none of them are Republicans or conservatives. He doesn’t even follow Trump himself.

    Instead, Sayoc follows outspoken Democrats like Lena Dunham, Jimmy Kimmel, Barack Obama, Taylor Swift, John Oliver, Ellen DeGeneres and Seth Myers….

    https://www.infowars.com/alleged-maga-bomber-cesar-sayoc-only-follows-left-wing-people-on-twitter/

  146. Candy

    I blame the vicious American left media for this state of affairs. In the beginning they slurred Mrs Trump as a prostitute who married for money and now revere Stormy Daniels, and called Baron Trump autistic implying the child was deficient.
    Many many cruel things their Left media say about President and all his family. I blame Hillary Clinton, CNN and Alec Baldwin for inciting mentally ill homeless desperate people.

  147. Measure 1: murdering policeman,
    Measure 2: attempted murders of politicians from one party over the last two years,
    Measure 3: killing babies in the womb, and
    Measure 4: mass-murdering babies already born.

    We were talking about terrorism, jupes. You can’t win on that one so you try to change the subject. Not going to work.

  148. Oh come on

    No. Historically – according to that ADL link above and others of its yearly reviews on that site – murders from domestic terrorism in the US are over two-thirds committed by white supremacists on the extreme right. Most of the rest of it is Islamic, with a relatively tiny amount by leftist extremists.

    You are looking at one narrow and relatively insignificant measure – murders from domestic terrorism. Of which there were 387, in a country of 320 million. Our MAGA bomber wouldn’t be counted in this measure for 2018, as his devices have caused zero deaths.

    No, the activist left is far larger and perpetrates far more violence than anything on the right. Antifa exists to ‘bash the fash’ – and who are the fascists? Anyone who disagrees with Antifa’s agenda. You have leftist leaders like Maxine Waters and Eric Holder urging their supporters to engage in direct physical confrontation with their political opponents. You have Hillary Clinton and others declaring the suspension of civility. And you see leftist mobs doing exactly what they’ve been exhorted to do. This is not a problem on the right. It is a problem on the left.

  149. Oh come on

    Instead, Sayoc follows outspoken Democrats like Lena Dunham, Jimmy Kimmel, Barack Obama, Taylor Swift, John Oliver, Ellen DeGeneres and Seth Myers….

    So? What does that prove?

    Doubling down on the conspiracy theory angle doesn’t help your cause. The bomber is a lunatic. Isn’t that explanation enough?

  150. There needs to be a Godwin’s Law equivalent for “oh yeah, sez you, but your side murders millions of babies so nyah”, which is the last refuge of the conservative moral scold.

  151. rickw

    ……However, the alleged bomber’s Twitter follower activity seems a little at odds with the image of him being a Trump voter.
    Out of the 32 people Sayoc follows on Twitter, none of them are Republicans or conservatives. He doesn’t even follow Trump himself.

    Trouble in patsy land.

  152. You are looking at one narrow and relatively insignificant measure – murders from domestic terrorism.

    So your thesis is that right-wingers are more efficient at murders due to being…. what… better armed? Whereas Antifa use less lethal weapons? Right wing murders are the tip of the iceberg, but the iceberg is all BLM dudes with knobkerries?

    Listen to yourself OCO, you sound like a crazy person.

  153. mh

    OCO, it doesn’t prove anything. It just adds to the profile of someone who clearly feels aligned with liberals.

  154. rickw

    Measure 1: murdering policeman,
    Measure 2: attempted murders of politicians from one party over the last two years,
    Measure 3: killing babies in the womb, and
    Measure 4: mass-murdering babies already born.

    We were talking about terrorism, jupes. You can’t win on that one so you try to change the subject. Not going to work.

    Munty doesn’t think items 1 and 2 are acts of terrorism?! Jupes, why bother with this evil imbecile?

  155. JC

    Fatboy;

    You really seem to get off on political killings, don’t you?
    If a Right winger is killed by a leftist you’re doing cartwheels, because another is dead. If a Right winger murders someone for political reasons you’re also doing cartwheels because you can claim victim status and shows up the Right as bad. You’ve got this all sorted out.

  156. Oh come on

    So your thesis is that right-wingers are more efficient at murders due to being…. what… better armed?

    No, that is an utterly moronic characterisation of my position.

    Whereas Antifa use less lethal weapons?

    No, m0nty. You really are very dim. My point is that, in your claim that domestic political violence is an overwhelmingly right wing problem, you have seized upon one very narrow aspect of domestic political violence to prove your point, rather than examining domestic political violence in its entirety. It’s blatant cherry-picking and you ought to be embarrassed to put forward such a dopey and easily refuted argument.

  157. Oh come on

    It just adds to the profile of someone who clearly feels aligned with liberals.

    Or he wants to target them?

  158. Oh come on

    It is not imperative that one side is made to ‘own’ the bomber. The mainstream right is not responsible for this crazy person’s actions any more than centre leftists were for the actions of that nutter who shot up the Congressional baseball game and almost killed Steve Scalise.

  159. Hay Stockard

    Why are seemingly bright people engaging the diseased walking donut? My scroll finger is getting sore.

  160. Oh come on

    Does anyone blame Jodie Foster for the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan? No, of course not. Why not? Because crazy people do crazy things for their own crazy reasons.

    This bomber is a nutter.

  161. My point is that, in your claim that domestic political violence is an overwhelmingly right wing problem, you have seized upon one very narrow aspect of domestic political violence to prove your point, rather than examining domestic political violence in its entirety.

    Murder is a narrow cherrypicking aspect of violence? That’s a new one. Very stupid, but new.

    What aspects of domestic political violence do leftists lead in? Please quote figures if you can. And if you say abortion then you lose bigly.

  162. Oh come on

    Murder is a narrow cherrypicking aspect of violence? That’s a new one. Very stupid, but new.

    Yes, because there are many other types of violence apart from murder. Duh.

  163. Leo G

    However, the alleged bomber’s Twitter follower activity seems a little at odds with the image of him being a Trump voter.

    The media reports are contradictory.
    He was reported to have felony convictions which rendered him ineligible to register as a voter, but is also reported to have been registered as a Democrat before 2016 and a Republican thereafter. He was reported to be a Seminole, but the Florida tribe have stated he is not registered as a tribe member.
    So it looks like a case of fake news reporting of a fake Indian, fake Republican, fake bomb-mailing, fake terrorist, imbecile. Maybe fake imbecile.

  164. mh

    From Breitbart:

    Sayoc would fixate on a particular topic for several dozen uploads before his attention shifted. He was a fan of veterans, Native American culture, Brazil, scantily-clad Brazilian women, bodybuilding, MMA, and soccer.

  165. Oh come on

    I don’t even trust the ADL’s assertions of what constitutes ‘right wing’ terror. Timothy McVeigh, for example, is classified as a right wing extremist but many of his justifications for doing what he did wouldn’t be out of place in a Michael Moore documentary. McVeigh was a nutter who was motivated by values commonly associated with the right as well as values commonly associated with the left.

  166. Oh come on

    The media reports are contradictory.

    Not so much in a sinister way. There is a lot of fevered speculation taking place that’s being passed off as fact. A pretty typical media feeding frenzy – haven’t seen malevolent misreporting of news so far.

    He was reported to be a Seminole, but the Florida tribe have stated he is not registered as a tribe member.

    He claimed to be a Seminole, probably falsely. You can see his claims on the posters he made.

  167. There needs to be a Godwin’s Law equivalent for “oh yeah, sez you, but your side murders millions of babies so nyah”, which is the last refuge of the conservative moral scold.

    There goes monty whistling by Gosnell’s house of horrors, trying to come up with an internet meme.

  168. rickw

    There goes monty whistling by Gosnell’s house of horrors, trying to come up with an internet meme.

    Monty loves Moloch.

  169. None

    And M0nty still can’t explain why he hangs out here with all these murderous right wingers.

  170. calli

    Having slept on all this and woken to a beautiful, clear Arizona day…

    I see you guys are still trying to make sense of evil. Good luck with that.

  171. I am bespoke

    Commendable job OCO, This was a political attack and nothing to do with race.

  172. Snoopy

    Calli, are you self-driving? A hire car?

  173. mh

    Mail ‘Bomber’ Aftermath: Arrest of Cesar Sayoc Brings Up Several Unanswered Questions

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/mail-bomber-conspiracy-or-another-left-wing-hoax-like-benghazi-coverup-russia-collusion-or-kavanaugh-gang-rapes/

    Was the Soros ‘bomb’ hand delivered? By someone driving a van immaculately decorated in Trump stickers.

  174. Empire 5:5

    And so on and so forth..

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told a gathering at the 92nd Street Y in New York on Sunday that there may have to be “collateral damage” to those Americans who do not agree with the Democratic Party agenda.
    ___
    “If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them! And you tell them that they are not welcome, anymore, anywhere,” Waters said last month.
    ___
    ASHINGTON, D.C.-Kelly Paul, the wife of Senator Rand Paul on Wednesday charged New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for inciting violence against her and her family after an attack by liberal protestors in an airport. Paul said Booker’s vitriolic rhetoric is responsible for acts of aggression and violence against Republican senators. Booker in July suggested upset Americans should “Get up in the face” of their opponents.

    This week, contaminated letters were sent to the Pentagon. Former Navy sailor William Clyde Allen III was arrested for sending castor seeds, the base component for making the deadly toxin ricin.

    Also, tonight, Jackson Cosko, a former staffer for New Hampshire Democrat Maggie Hassan was charged for publishing personal information about government officials, including their phone numbers and home addresses in order to provoke attacks on those individuals.

    As the left is driven deeper into madness over the impending confirmation vote of Brett Kavanaugh, many fear leftist attacks against opposing political figures will continue to rise, which could lead to real blood soon being on the hands of “Spartacus”, who Booker identifies himself with.

    Then there’s atomic level pschopathy:

    Left-wing billionaire Tom Steyer said perhaps there could be a “nuclear war” that would provide a “real course correction” to Donald Trump’s presidency during an interview published by Rolling Stone.

    She was never supposed to lose:

    Happy Birthday to Hillary Clinton–the twice-failed presidential hopeful who lost the 2016 election to a guy who picked up politics as a hobby.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/happy-birthday-hillary-twice-failed-presidential-hopeful-who-lost-the-2016-election-to-the-guy-who-picked-up-politics-as-a-hobby/

  175. Dr Fred Lenin

    So 10 decromat/cnn (fake) bombs are delivered in one day,now the recipients live in different areas and US mail delivers them at the same time ? Check the age of the Trump stickers ,al new? They are on the passenger window obscuring vision ,US cops do t gworry about that ? What does this guy live on ? Any recent financial windfalls? cNN receives the parcel opensit displays and films the bomb before the cops arrive ? Who discovered the other bombs?
    More questions than answers here.warrants fulll investigation use the secret service or ncis they dom the seem political like doj,fbi,cia This reeks of a “cunning plan “by the totally inept deep staters has their signature alll over it ,/I mean Hoover and the CIA weren’t all that good were they,KGB ran rings around them for years .

  176. Alan

    The packages were so sophisticated, they eluded a US Federal Biohazard Detection System (BDS) that has been operating since 2006? Incident Command System (ICS) software was deployed to detect suspicious substances (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive) in all mail packages?
    Read the US Federal Postal Service 2006 Statement on Postal Operations [p.17-18]
    A BDS Safety update was released in 2013.
    And on top of that, we have real postage restrictions?

  177. Bruce

    Boambee John:

    “Dust (and flour) will explode in the right circumstances city boy. Ask some of the farmers who post here.”

    Yes, it is a well-known phenomenon called a “fuel-air explosion”.

    However, the fuel-air mix has to be in the correct ratios and the dispersal has to be just right or all you get is a short flare-up, if, indeed anything happens. Having watched professionals demonstrate the technique, I was impressed by the experience.

    If there were flour or a similar potentially flammable material inside these dinky plastic pipes, it would have settled under the influence of gravity and thus have totally failed to form the required dispersion.

    As for having a theatrical “clock” as an initiator; pure fantasy stuff, never mind a current source for the actual??? detonators. Did someone actually describe “wires going into each end of the “tubes? VERY odd: too much TV / “Lose-Tube”?

    How am I familiar with this stuff? Some of us have led HUMAN lives among REAL PEOPLE, “uniformed” and otherwise and have tried to learn as much about everything as we can in our short spans. Knowing how stuff works, (and just as importantly, how it DOESN’T) will help you avoid a Darwin Award. As the “Notebook of Lazarus Long” wisely observes: “Specialization is for insects”.

  178. Snoopy

    However, the fuel-air mix has to be in the correct ratios and the dispersal has to be just right or all you get is a short flare-up, if, indeed anything happens.

    This is easily overcome by sticking a helpful notice on the outside of the pipe “Please shake vigorously at … (5 secs before boom time)

  179. Hay Stockard

    Hmmm. Think about this. Old Hickory, also known as President Andrew Jackson, founded the Democrats. It all fits now, him being a Seminole and all.

  180. Zatara

    Bruce

    Absolutely right, especially about fellow Cats having prior lives. The amount of knowledge and experience resident in the posters here is mind boggling and is the greatest resource of the forum.

  181. Zatara

    Uh huh. So why does a search of Sayoc detonator return multiple news stories where detonators are mentioned based on off-the-record interviews with cops?

    Because there are people out there, particularly reporters, who are just as ignorant as you are.

    Wray’s comments are not conclusive, Zatara.

    Odd, you certainly thought they were when you posted what you thought was a snarky gotcha based entirely on his statement.

    m0nty
    #2850244, posted on October 27, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Another desperate wingnut talking point debunked.

    FBI Director Chris Wray said the devices all had the potential to explode and were not fake.

  182. rickw

    However, the fuel-air mix has to be in the correct ratios and the dispersal has to be just right or all you get is a short flare-up, if, indeed anything happens.

    The other issue is ensuring that the velocity of detonation is reached. I’m not sure that PVC can withstand the pressure long enough, particularly given that you are starting with far from optimal explosive materials.

    This may be the explanation for the lack of man slaughter charges, less than adequate explosives, less than adequate means of detonation, or none, less than adequate containment = it’s not even a cracker.

  183. Snoopy

    Back in the olden days when science teachers were allowed to perform interesting demonstrations our science teacher destroyed a 5 US gallon drum with just aerated flour dust and a spark.

  184. Tel

    If there were flour or a similar potentially flammable material inside these dinky plastic pipes, it would have settled under the influence of gravity and thus have totally failed to form the required dispersion.

    It takes significant power to create the necessary dust dispersion, something like primer cord if the powder is in a small package or maybe heavy mill machinery in production environments. Settling under gravity in a tiny volume is irrelevant.

    You simply don’t get fuel/air explosions in tiny matchbox-size volumes, you need a big volume like a house or a factory hall with extensive dispersion throughout the air space.

    This is easily overcome by sticking a helpful notice on the outside of the pipe “Please shake vigorously at … (5 secs before boom time)

    That would be insufficient. The whole concept is ridiculous.

  185. Alan

    Another point – These packages also needed to elude a US Federal Biohazard Detection System (BDS) that has been operative since 2006. Incident Command System (ICS) software was deployed to detect suspicious substances (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive) in all mail packages.
    Read the US Federal Postal Service 2006 Statement on Postal Operations [p.17-18]
    Also see Updated BDS Bio-hazard Safety alert 2013:
    Current parcel restrictions: See “Publication 52: Hazardous, Restricted, & Perishable Mail”

  186. Zatara:

    FBI Director Chris Wray said the devices all had the potential to explode and were not fake.

    My farts have the potential to explode. Prolly take out a city block.
    The resultant fallout and contamination would make Barcaldine uninhabitable for twenty years or more…
    Should I register my arse with the local Sergeant of Policing?
    (You were just waiting for teenage male humour to arrive, weren’t you?)

  187. Dr Fred Lenin

    I am surprised the “bombs”weren’t round black balls with a long fuse smouldering and BOMB written irked on the side ,that’s the usual cartoon bomb .
    Again the “heroes “ at CNN Latin out a bomb and filming it before the bomb squad arrives ? The only way they would do that would be if they knew it was harmless,and how would they know that ? Only if they had been informed . Wonder if the FBI had people on standby to coir it was aTrump s fault ,after mid term he might start investigating their Obama / Clinton gang links .
    Where’s comrade mueller ? Taking refuge in Venezuela before it hits the fan ?

  188. Garry

    Truck covered in pro Trump stickers driving around for a while and not one bit of damage or graffiti. Trucks have been fire bombed for less. All packages delivered at the same time, east coast and west coast (Soros early). No post marks. Plastic pipes. No alarm on “detonator”. Some hand delivered. Soros home to Florida where he lived is about 19/20 hour drive each way if he delivered to Soros. Used electrical tape a magnet for fingerprints. Who benefits as victim?

  189. PB

    I assume the Van was registered and in use on the road, despite all those stickers obscuring visibility, and making the Van unroadworthy. It looks clean and current.

    The deep State actively seeks out idiots like this for purposes like this.

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