Memo to the Liberals

I have had a number of conversations with people over the last few days about the next election. They all have told me that they have had a gutful of the government and their shenanigans and while they don’t like Bill Shorten they think the Liberals in government are worse.

The view is how bad could an ALP government be?

Then I’ve mentioned things like the proposed tax changes and modification of negative gearing and the like.

So here is the thing: none of the people I have spoken to actually believe an ALP government will do any of that stuff. I’ve been told things like “They’ll never do that – it’ll destroy the economy”. Or “They’ll never get it through the Parliament”. Or “Just see the backlash if they try that”. Here in Victoria few people actually believed the ALP when they said they would cancel the East-West link. They did. We paid $1 billion to not build a road.

Ironically the current government whinging about an obstructionist Senate is benefiting the opposition. Many voters have come to believe that we have a situation where no laws can be passed. If only that were true.

In addition to my usual advice: cut spending, cut taxes, cut red tape, cut green tape, I would now add, convince the voters that the ALP means what it says.  A tad difficult given that the Liberals seldom mean what they say.

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55 Responses to Memo to the Liberals

  1. RobK

    In WA the ALP also wound back the Roe 8 extention so heavy haulage traffic goes through built up areas to get around a swamp. The project had started but was canned by the new government.

  2. Chris M

    In addition to my usual advice: cut spending, cut taxes, cut red tape, cut green tape

    We knew you’d come around to liking President Trump.

    Big one is boatloads of illegal immigrants again… it will happen. Most here would agree the Liberal party in its present form is grotesque and must be crushed like a bug. Only real discussion is about the best way of achieving this.

  3. jupes

    In addition to my usual advice: cut spending, cut taxes, cut red tape, cut green tape, I would now add, convince the voters that the ALP means what it says. A tad difficult given that the Liberals seldom mean what they say.

    There is no point electing the Liberals to keep Labor out, because the Liberals are Labor – just a few years behind in policy. The current government is more left wing than the Gillard government, with the exception of stopping the boats. But just watch this space, they are on the brink of fucking that up as well.

    No, we need to destroy the Liberals, suffer Labor for a few years and just hope that a conservative opposition can rise from the ashes.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Liberals have to ditch the progressive agenda they’ve become infected with.

    The problem is that as a progressive party they are competing in the same space as the ALP progressive wing and the Greens. So who is going to vote for the Libs when they could vote for the real thing?

    Trump is showing how to do it. Instead of crowding into the centre-left like the Libs have done he has adopted an unabashed classical right wing platform. That has brought prosperity to the country, cheap electricity and low unemployment, especially amongst African-Americans and Hispanics.

    Meanwhile rather than move left he has been focussing on splitting off groups from the Left. First the Howard Battler demographic with coal and industry policy, then the African-Americans championed by Kanye, and now the decent centrists with the #walkaway movement.

    Australians are fed up with the Left’s illegality and promoting special deals for protected groups. We want cheaper electricity, cheaper gas, real jobs and an end to the PC crap that we are being smothered with.

    Unfortunately the current Libs gush SJW crud onto us all like there’s no tomorrow, push green scams, cause horrendous electricity costs and industry closing everywhere, pander to the same minority groups Labor fosters and they aren’t even fiscally responsible. Get a brain Libs.

  5. H B Bear

    The view is how bad could an ALP government be?

    The Liars will be diabolical. This is still no reason to not vote for the Lieborals who have abandoned any semblance they may have of a political philosophy. The Lieborals must be destroyed – either to begin a process of reform in Opposition or, my preference, a split to form a genuinely right wing party.

    Already the ACTU are on the march with CFMMEU puppet Peanut Head threatening to return to pre-Keating pattern bargaining. Indo criminal people smugglers will be getting ready to resume the boat armada – aided and abetted by the Liar Left and cross-benchers.

    Australia’s lost decade of policy will be continued and accelerated until the long overdue crunch destroys the AUD, property prices, unemployment or all three.

  6. Fred

    I’m looking forward to the ALP’s changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax.

    Why? Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  7. Mak Siccar

    I shudder to think about the current ALP mob being in government and the horrendous damage they will cause but is the Liberal Party the least worst option? Hopefully there will be truly conservative candidates to vote for in the next federal election but in my electorate this is unlikely. Unfortunately, optional preferential voting is not possible without spoiling the ballet paper. Also, so-called ‘independents’ should be scrutinised very carefully as many of them are really Labor stooges. BTW, in my Vic electorate, there are only two candidates – ALP and Greenfilth. I despair, and will write on my ballot paper ‘None worth voting for’.

  8. Rafe Champion

    I think that Sinc is correct. I was going to do a post on the kind of things that will happen when Shorten is elected. The power debacle may not be the worst of our worries because it is not Bill Shorten who will be running the country but the CFMEU and the Greens.

    Bigger issues are in play than tax rates and negative gearing, the progressive left agenda that the ALP has adopted is absolute poison for the kind country that we want to live in and the bipartisan policies that are required to generate sustainable policies.

    They have started early because they sense they can get away with murder, backed by the ABC and the MSM. Murder in the form of radical identity politics on every front that is divisive, anti-Semitism, trade union standover tactics, ditching any pretence of protection for traditional Christian beliefs, ramping up the extent of so-called anti discrim and anti hate legislation. And that is before we even start talking about red and green tape.

    Put it this way, there is nothing the matter with this country that the Green CFMEU progressive leftism alliance is going to fix.

    The minor parties can help but only the Coalition can do it, unlikely as that appears to be. Just beware of the alternative.

  9. H B Bear

    The Hunchback of Spring St is the archetypal modern Liar neo-Marxist in Australia. And on track to retain government in Victoriastan.

    Democracy – good and hard.

  10. areff

    Doomlord: This just posted at Quadrant. You should read it.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2018/10/lost-tribe-australian-conservatism/

    Personally, a party led by a man pushed over the top to party room victory by the Photios faction, doesn’t re-ignite my fealty to the nominal “conservatives”.

  11. JohnL

    Here is what a party needs to do to win the government:
    1) Cut the excise on petrol by half.
    2) Cut the excise on alcohol (beer, wine, spirits) by half.
    3) Cut the excise on tobacco by half.
    4) Declare that climate change, global warming is crap.
    5) Pullout of the Paris Agreement
    6) Cut out all subsidies for “renewable.
    7) Abolish the HRC.
    8) Declare that the “multiculturalism” is crap.
    9) Make a rule that any immigrant, legal, illegal, that comes in by boat, by air or on foot, won’t be eligible for any social security benefits until they been in Australia for two years.
    Any party, game enough to do the above would walk-in at the next election by Winks’ margin.

  12. jupes

    From areff’s link above:

    This is worse than Labor-lite. This is capitulation to the enemy, with SloMo no better than the predecessor against whom he will utter not an ill word. I therefore simply do not countenance the argument that the Liberal Party is any sort of worthwhile bulwark against inevitable Labor disaster.

    Brilliant article RTWT

  13. Art Vandelay

    The view is how bad could an ALP government be?

    Given that the Liberals have sold themselves to the electorate with the line “vote for us: we’ll implement Labor’s policies but slightly less incompetently than Labor would”, you can understand why a lot of people don’t see the ALP as a threat.

  14. JohnA

    Bruce of Newcastle #2851505, posted on October 29, 2018, at 1:02 pm

    The Liberals have to ditch the progressive agenda they’ve become infected with.

    The problem is that as a progressive party they are competing in the same space as the ALP progressive wing and the Greens. So who is going to vote for the Libs when they could vote for the real thing?

    Well said, that man!!

    Witness: prime quality evidence of The PDR of Victoria-stan.

  15. Myrddin Seren

    So here is the thing: none of the people I have spoken to actually believe an ALP government will do any of that stuff.

    My God.

    Anecdotes like this posted here in recent times have convinced me about the huge amount of disengagement among ordinary voters.

    But this is incredible. Labor is openly declaring a Corbynite class war agenda upfront, so they can’t be accused of false advertising after the election.

    Vote for Shorten if you consciously realise the country is about to be financially clear-felled, and you have some hope of an eventual recovery.

    But to vote for them because you think they are just kidding ??? Isn’t this what people in Germany convinced themselves of in that pivotal election in 1933 ?

    The Lights are Going Out – figuratively and literally.

  16. Roger

    Anecdotes like this posted here in recent times have convinced me about the huge amount of disengagement among ordinary voters.

    Broadcast news ratings and newspaper readerships are in decline.

    Only the over 50s are keeping them viable.

  17. ArthurB

    I have an uncomfortable feeling that after Labor wins the next election, or the one that follows, Australia may never see another non-Labor federal government. There are several reasons for my pessimism. One is that the Liberals are competing not just against Labor, but also against the union movement, which is totally ruthless in its pursuit of power, and against organisations such as Get-up!, which is full of dedicated activists. Labor also has the unwavering support of Their ABC, and on the commercial networks most journalists are supportive of causes such as climate change, feminism, open borders etc. In contrast, the Liberals are lacking in dedication and passion.

    Also, the electorate has become too complacent and, I think, unaware of just how nasty a CFMMEU-Greens-Labor government will be. I note that Victoria has a hard-Left government, and yet Labor is likely to win the next State election

  18. Myrddin Seren

    Labor also has the teachers’ unions, the public service and the universities.

    Look forward to being denounced by your grandkids.

  19. Muddy

    Perhaps some think that those of us advocating for the demise of the Liberal Party are doing so purely as a reactionary cry for attention, that we truly haven’t thought through the potential consequences?

    I can only speak for myself, but my theory, as I’ve advocated previously, is that over a long period, the Liberals have shown no signs of representing the conservative values that many of us yearn for.

    With the party still inhabiting that space on the nominal ‘right’ of the spectrum, however (only because there is no space on the crowded left), the opportunity for a true conservative political representation will be more challenging. Growing pains for the newcomer are inevitable, so ideally, it would be healthier for there to be no competition within that space. The absence of an established ‘bully’ taking out their insecurities on the new kid, will allow the new kid to find their feet, and hopefully develop into a functional, healthy adult.

    When I write THE LIBERAL PARTY IS DEAD. BURY THE CORPSE. MOVE ON, I do so with the aim of providing the best opportunity for a new kid on the block. Perhaps that ‘new kid’ hasn’t even been born yet, but with the playground bully likely to become more unstable, reactive, and anti-social in the future, why wait for the bully to punch out the new kid before we act?

    If you had a pacemaker that wasn’t working properly, would you still stick with it because ‘Magic happens. The universe will provide’? Or maybe ‘This was my first pacemaker, so it’s special to me. I want to keep it as a treasured memory?’

    Apathy emasculates.

  20. classical_hero

    Where was this concern when you’re pal was leading the Liberals far too the left?

  21. stackja

    Kev 07 promised much. Kev delivered chaos. I expect BS to deliver yet more chaos.

  22. Sinclair Davidson

    Where was this concern when you’re pal was leading the Liberals far too the left?

    a. I’m not convinced that he was.
    b. I thought he could win the next election.
    c. I don’t think Morrison can.
    d. Happy to be proven wrong on c.

  23. Leo G

    The view is how bad could an ALP government be?

    Perhaps now that climate catastrophe ennui has set in, a bit more obvious catastrophe of the political variety will be restorative.

  24. Snoopy

    So here is the thing: none of the people I have spoken to actually believe an ALP government will do any of that stuff.

    They’re dopey enough to be academics.

  25. H B Bear

    Kev 07 promised much. Kev delivered chaos. I expect BS to deliver yet more chaos.

    Peanut Head won’t deliver chaos. Like Gillard he will deliver a hard Left union wish list.

  26. stackja

    HBB – To me BS/unions strike/wage job destruction is going to deliver the expected.

  27. John Constantine

    Simply look at shorten’s entire career.

    Every career boost he has grasped was because more powerful people felt shorten was a laughingstock that could be easily swayed and controlled, so could be safely elevated.

    Then shorten survives the purges, his old backers are history and the little grey man scuttles onwards and upwards.

    No organisation that shorten has used as a stepping stone upwards has been left behind stronger than when he used it.

    The Australian economy does not need to survive shorten, just offer the looting cartel the same things that rudd/Gillard/hawke/keating/alex turnbull took from it.

    No franking

    No fracking

    No super

    No roundup

    No greyhounds

    No steeplechasing
    No cage chickens

    No shedded pigs

    No dissent

    No owner driver trucks

    Shortencare

    NDIS

    Gonski

    No coal

    No fishing

    No people using parkland

    No metal smelters

    No Kidding.

  28. H B Bear

    HBB – To me BS/unions strike/wage job destruction is going to deliver the expected.

    Exactly. It won’t be chaos.

  29. stackja

    HBB – Depends on definition of chaos.

  30. stackja

    John C – BS mine rescue?

  31. H B Bear

    Chaos is unplanned disorder. Peanut Head and the Liars know exactly what they are going to do. They are setting it out for anyone who wants to listen.

  32. John Constantine

    Shortens next rescue will be saving the animals of Australia from being eaten.

    Safe animals, Comrades.

  33. One Kakistocracy coming up.
    Hang on, it’s already here – just the faces change.

  34. JC

    People are looking at this from a very narrow perspective. Punishing the Libs is not the same as punishing ourselves. We would be severely punishing ourselves with a Corbynist Liars Party government. I take them at their word they would attempt to enact everything they stand for.

  35. Iampeter

    It doesn’t matter if ALP means what it says since its still not as bad as what the Coalition has actually done.
    Everyone keeps talking about our politics as if the Libs aren’t responsible for the environmentalist bureaucracy and middle class welfare, among many other far-left policies.

    ALP at Federal level has a long way to go before they top the disaster that the Coalition has been since the late 90’s.

    So, I think the best thing that can happen is an ALP government that has it as hard to govern as possible.

  36. Ellen of Tasmania

    I’ve been told things like “They’ll never do that – it’ll destroy the economy”

    They completely miss the point of the leftist agenda, don’t they?

    Of course they’ll destroy the economy.

  37. John Constantine

    The dekulakisation of regional Australia has been slow and subtle under the turnbullites team with a Nat rump.

    Their shorten looting cartel with a green Hinch balance of power will go full on ban roundup live exports using nitrogen fertiliser ban unhappy animals.

    Full on compliance misery, using existing regulations.

    Self interest means voting for slowly being eased out of agriculture, with enough left to flee to Montana.

    Not put in a cattle car for the gulag.

    Comrades..

  38. Robber Baron

    Australia is ready for a Shorten Reich. The Turnbull fake right wing fascist government made it inevitable.

    After the Shorten Reich has decimated the middle class, a new country shall emerge from the ashes. The economy will be smaller, the unemployment lines will be longer, the majority peasant population will be desperate and hungry for freedom. It may even turn to a red head from Queensland…that’s just how desperate we might get. But rest assured, the Liberal party will no longer exist because it does not deserve to exist.

  39. Speedbox

    Peanut Head won’t deliver chaos. Like Gillard he will deliver a hard Left union wish list.

    Spot on.

    The Labor Party, including the Unions and assorted hangers-on, will feast on Australia like starving hyenas. There will be no tax they won’t like, no intrusion into our privacy that is out-of-bounds, no re-structuring of the social fabric, tearing down or re-writing of our shared history that will be too brazen. Everything will be on the table. If you think ‘climate change’ is like a cult now, just wait until Shorten is PM and the Unions/Greens have their collective hands up him and he operates like a puppet. (tip: look to buy kero heaters now – before the winter rush).

    Yet, I am not at all convinced that a new conservative Australia party will emerge to vanquish the Left. If the Libs are decimated in 2019, Shorten & Co are virtually assured of 2 terms during which the structure of this country will change forever. Perhaps we conservatives are too few in number to fight back; maybe the sheeple don’t really care, or worse, actually want a quasi-socialist type Govt; we older conservative Australians are dying out – are we being replaced in sufficient numbers just to maintain the status quo? How long, if ever, before our “Trump” emerges? Do we have time to wait?

    I don’t know the answers but I fear for this country and her future. Leftism is firmly entrenched and a slide further left will be unavoidable under Shorten. God help us.

  40. Squirrel

    “The view is how bad could an ALP government be?”

    Yes, it’s starting to feel like 2007, and in some respects, even more like the latter part of 1982 (in spite of the supposedly rosy economic stats at present).

    The only major policy I can see a Labor Government dropping or delaying is the negative gearing/CGT stuff – but only in the event of a major economic downturn, driven by external events. There’s also the possibility that it gets stalled in the Senate if the Greens insist on full abolition of negative gearing, with no grandfathering, but if Labor has a big enough win, they could probably get it through with Senate cross-bench support.

  41. H B Bear

    What a country. We are now relying on the lunatic absolutism of the Greens as a defence against bad policy from the UniParty.

  42. TBH

    I have no doubt that the ALP will win government next year and that the consequences will be very bad for this country. That said, the LNP have been so utterly incompetent that most people won’t notice much difference. I’m not letting Australian businesses off the hook either. They have spectacularly failed to advance the case against the lunacy that is official ALP policy. The big end of town they would see it as entrenching their cosy arrangements to raise the barriers for competition anyway.

    I’m presently trying to work out ways to insulate my family from the worst of the damage financially.

  43. Crossie

    But rest assured, the Liberal party will no longer exist because it does not deserve to exist.

    The Liberal Party carked it when Turnbull talked ScoMo to support him in the original coup. The remnant is now the carpetbagger wing of the Greens set up solely to benefit the renewables robber barons like Turnbull the Younger and Hewson.

  44. Crossie

    How long, if ever, before our “Trump” emerges? Do we have time to wait?

    We already had him but he lost his nerve and got rolled Turnbull and ScoMo. We are done.

  45. None

    I have no doubt that Labor means what it says but the argument that “we’re going to be marginally less worse than that lot” is not enough for me to vote for the Liberals. It is just rewarding bad behaviour.

  46. Percy Popinjay

    none of the people I have spoken to actually believe an ALP government will do any of that stuff.

    I’m far more concerned about what Teats Peanuthead hasn’t been yammering about – policy disasters such as 50% CGT rates on principal residences, death duties, massively increased marginal income tax rates and wholesale government appropriation of superannuation funds.

    All of the above will be introduced, especially if a labor/greenfilth goat rodeo remains in government for more than one term.

  47. Howard Hill

    50% CGT rates on principal residences.
    wholesale government appropriation of superannuation funds.

    That would have to be civil war, surely?

  48. Percy Popinjay

    That would have to be civil war, surely?

    Nah, she’ll be right, comrade.

  49. .

    “The view is how bad could an ALP government be?”

    Let me tell you.

    Hold my beer.

    I’ll order us a bottle of spirits to swig for the each of us. We’ll be here for a while!

  50. kae

    We will be rooned under the ALP.

    If we’re up shit creek now, we’ll be further up without a paddle or a rudder with the ALP/Greens.

    They’ll have their hands in our pockets, particularly people like me on the brink of retirement whose super isn’t so super.

    Watch them lie to get in. Watch them, if they do get in, open the floodgates to unscreened country shoppers. See the price of unreliable power go up and up.

  51. kae

    PS
    I just bought a new car this year.
    Are we still paying tariffs on imported motor cars?
    If yes, why?

  52. kae:

    Watch them lie to get in. Watch them, if they do get in, open the floodgates to unscreened country shoppers. See the price of unreliable power go up and up.

    Morrison has been quietly bringing the Nauru illegal immigrants in for the last week.
    If you want to see what treason is, vote for Lib/Lab.

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