No wonder Tony lost his job

No wonder Tony Abbott lost his job. No one can any longer follow straightforward common sense.

There will always be some Liberals who want the party to go further on climate change or be more compassionate on boatpeople. There will always be others to question turning the economy upside down when it won’t make any difference to emissions, and to caution against anything that might embolden the people-smugglers. It’s not a question of decency versus hardness of heart but of what really is the most ­humane thing to do. The leader’s job is to get the balance right.

There are people who actually believe that global warming is the greatest moral challenge of our time, and other who think it’s not. There are people who actually believe that open borders are morally just, and others who do not. And both sides are found in the Liberal Party.

I am with Tony on both of these. I am disgusted by the deceitfulness of the global warmists, and cannot believe the shallow arguments associated with bringing in boatloads of migrants. You can think of this as ideological if you like, but it just seems obvious, with plenty of evidence of a downside to both – see the fall – kinda – of Mrs Merkel and the turmoil in German society that has come from her pursuit of both green energy and open borders.

All of this, to me, are conclusions from an overwhelming pile of evidence. Same goes for free markets capitalism.

Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump. But he was a Prime Minister not a President isolated from a need for cabinet solidarity. He was brought low by one of the most deceitful and duplicitous politicians in Australian history – fully supported by our ABC. But if you think things are bad now, wait till after Labor takes over.

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67 Responses to No wonder Tony lost his job

  1. Confused Old Misfit

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    Surely you jest!

  2. Art Vandelay

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    Trump takes his opportunities.

    Abbott didn’t.

  3. zyconoclast

    Abbott is a dud. A craven cuck who will take envoy jobs for some extra spending money and the adulation of none.

    He either needs to go full anti-green everything, anti-immigration or go home.

  4. Mother Lode

    Abbott didn’t.

    Honest question – what should he have done differently? And take into account the team he had to work with.

  5. Confused Old Misfit

    Comparing Abbott to Trump is silly. Abbott has not level of commitment to an objective that Trump has. Because Trump has a single objective and after eight years (or four) he will have to set it aside and pursue other avenues.
    Abbott’s only commitment is to maintaining his position in parliament. Yes, he’s basically a “good man”. And that is his weakness. Unlike Trump he is not really capable either of running an organization or being a complete and utter bastard when required.
    Every derogatory thing you can cite about Trump is a quality necessary for him to achieve what I think he is trying to achieve. None of those qualities are particular to him as opposed to other politicians. Trump knows better how to use them than many others.

  6. H B Bear

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    Bwahahaaa. Are you here all week? How’s the veal?

  7. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray

    It was under Tony’s rule that the Liberal Government dragged in the opinion polls. Turnbull was installed in the hope of improving the votes, or at least stopping the rot. Both of them undermined others in their careers. Neither of them were saints. I think the anti-socialists deserved better! How do we inspire people to support the cause of less government? Anyone?

  8. Mark A

    Mother Lode
    #2852495, posted on October 30, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Abbott didn’t.

    Honest question – what should he have done differently? And take into account the team he had to work with.

    If he had the ‘B alls’ and been serious about his convictions, he could’ve come out publicly and state: I want to do this and that, but the craven cowards in my party won’t let me do it.

    Believe me, shaming the recalcitrant members like that would work, the first priority of any polly is to be reelected, without that they are nothing, no matter what noble ideas they may have.

  9. Oh come on

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump

    LOL seriously???

  10. JC

    Honest question – what should he have done differently? And take into account the team he had to work with.

    Okay, let me have a shot.

    Not signing up to every single Liars party big spending pledge and simultaneously countering this with a so called budget emergency.

    Firing that useless fat dope Joe Hockey when it was obvious he was incompetent.

    Not raising taxes on high income earners when he said he wasn’t.

    Cut spending like he promised.

    Gut 18C

    Not hiring Scott The Spoiler as one of his first executive picks.

    Not sticking turnbull in his cabinet.

    Not putting the anorexic in charge of the foreign affairs.

    Removing the carbonation tax and then signing up to the RET.

    Showing is face around the traps in the first six months and letting us know he was still alive.

    He was a shocker and worse then Turnbull because the electorate was ready for spending cuts and he refused to go that route.

    Enough of this fucking clown.

  11. Sinclair Davidson

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    Nah.

  12. stackja

    Usual comments on TA.
    Never satisfied?
    Oh, well. Perfect BS, soon?

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Trump makes no effort to be liked by morons. Abbott on the other hand did.

  14. Confused Old Misfit

    Of course a comparison is not really fair.
    Abbott did have to work, not with what one could call a team, they all considered themselves to be the smartest people in the room, but with a herd of grandiose egos.
    Trump IS the grandiose ego and if you want to work with him you will acknowledge that. If you can’t then you’re out!
    Abbott did not have that kind of authority.

  15. RobK

    Usual comments on TA.

    Paid parental leave as IR policy in austere times was difficult to understand.

  16. Mother Lode

    If he had the ‘B alls’ and been serious about his convictions, he could’ve come out publicly and state: I want to do this and that, but the craven cowards in my party won’t let me do it.

    Believe me, shaming the recalcitrant members like that would work, the first priority of any polly is to be reelected, without that they are nothing, no matter what noble ideas they may have.

    Actually, I doubt that would have achieved much. I understand the appeal of clamouring like a champion and dying a romantically heroic death, but look what they did every time – they smothered any positive story with silly ABC press and leaks. Look what happened when he talked about s18C? Brandis came out and furnished Fauxfacts with the line that removing s18C was to protect raaaaacists.

    He was outnumbered and outgunned.

    I think he was aiming to be pragmatic – getting part of something done is better than nothing. What undid him was whittling away at his plans by demands until there was but a small nub left. He was never going to be allowed to succeed because success would have prevented Turnbull from taking over.

  17. candy

    They can’t get the authority while the party can overthrow the leader overnight because of bad polling or perceived unpopularity, a trend Ms Gillard started. It may be the LNP will institute some kind of system similar to Labor to prevent it.
    Even now Scott Morrison may be formulating that.

  18. JC

    Paid parental leave as IR policy in austere times was difficult to understand.

    Oh yes add that in to his spending program that even the Left opposed.

    To be fair on this one, he believed there was an IQ imbalance being caused by government welfare where low IQers were vastly out breading high IQers. However, Tony being Tony, instead of nixing welfare or reducing its reach, he decided to counter it with even more government spending. What could go wrong.

  19. stackja

    DT didn’t have MT in his cabinet.

  20. A Lurker

    I actually think Mark Latham is far more like Trump than Abbott.
    Abbott meant well, but simply put he lacked the courage and fortitude to face down the termites in his own party and the media and thus squandered the opportunity that he was given.

  21. Dr Fred Lenin

    Trump and Abbott Trump worked very hard in a tough industry and succeeded ,making billions so he is beyond bribing and knows where he is going . Abbott was a true blur DLP follower strongly catholic with strong socialist leanings ,that’s why he failed as a priest , he lacked the bottle to dominate as priests do to keep the faithful in line ,bit like the pollie apparatchiki party whips . (Always have visions of a BDSM party to me that name , )not far off it is it ?

  22. H B Bear

    Oh, well. Perfect BS, soon?

    Nothing perfect about Peanut Head. But he will deliver on what he says he is going to do. Together with the usual Liar incompetence and malfeasance.

  23. stackja

    ALP lies spread by compliant MSM.

  24. stackja

    HBB – BS will deliver it!

  25. Mother Lode

    I don’t reckon anyone could succeed in what the Liberals had become. The full extent of the decline was not apparent at first – they looked good in opposition but then they only had to do lip service and they had the preposterous Rudd and the grating Gillard against them.

    It is one of the weaknesses of our system that to become PM means you must percolate your way through a sack of spivs, mediocrities, ambitious nobodies etc. Not really a system for allowing the outstanding to succeed – jealousy and the desire to hold onto what they have will precipitate a vile alliance to stop them.

  26. stackja

    AL – TA had tolerate disloyalty in the name of party unity. MT was there

  27. tgs

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    Jeez, not sure about that one.

  28. egg_

    Nothing perfect about Peanut Head. But he will deliver on what he says he is going to do.

    I don’t know what Short Willy said, but I’m sure he’ll deliver it.

  29. Texas Jack

    The fundamental problem confronting any aspiring Australian Donald Trump is that the Liberal Party has been found incapable of resisting the infestation of weakling wet f-wits in its branches and the inner city members of its parliamentary ranks. Heavens, the Federal President is a fan of big government action. The reality is – Miranda is wrong. The party needs to be burned to a cinder in an electoral massacre so big it has no choice but to rebuild or die out. The broad church palaver is failed rhetoric. It delivers ALP government in all but name, validates the positions of the Left, then makes it impossible to hold any lines on principles because they are so easily pissed away in favour of favourable Newspoll “evidence”. Morrison can pander to Pyne and Zimmerman all he wants. That will only hasten their demise.

  30. Buccaneer

    A couple of things, Abbott was before Trump changed the game, Abbott’s straight talking was ahead of it’s time but at heart he’s still an insider. Abbott did not have the power of a president and he had to keep his cabinet on side and the party room in general. Turnbull white anted him from day one, as did Bishop. Abbott supported party reform, this is what actually brought him down, not the rest of the bs posted here. The ruling Lib faction wanted him out and that was that. All the so called indiscretions posted here were to try to stave off the fact that the wets had the numbers. A US president does not have to worry about numbers until the next election. Anyone that says Abbott was worse than Turnbull ignores that Abbott did good things too. The only good things Turnbull did was fire Hockey and resign. Turnbull should be expelled from the liberal party.

  31. mem

    If my memory serves me, it was when TA moved off track from his main agenda that he opened up a gap for the ABC media left to exploit eg Nanny Leave, Royalty awards. Politically Abbott should have steered clear of both issues but he and his advisers misread his adversaries and their ability to whip up the voting public.

  32. rickw

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    A career politician cannot be a Donald Trump.

    The only thing that varies with career politicians is how far their head is up their own arse.

    Tony’s is not as far up as most, but that’s still where it is.

    Trump in contrast has a clarity of vision that only an outsider can have. It doesn’t mean that he’s always right. But it means he isn’t confounded and confused by apparently simple issues.

  33. Neenee

    Tony was a Prophet of Trumpism. Before Trump even announced his candidacy, Tony had already stopped the boats and announced that climate science was a fraud.

  34. H B Bear

    Article by Peter Smith over on Quadrant on why compulsory preferential voting will never deliver a Trump or a Thatcher in Oz.

  35. Dr Fred Lenin

    Dead right Rick, Trump has ever been a part of the eelight aparat and doesn’t follow the sendero luminosa or shining path of the eelghts they are predictable as they never stray from the path . The path of course leads directly into the swamp of political correctness and dogma the one Trump is draining in the USA ,it will never be drained in a Westminster system too many careers involved ,it wiling take a serious revolution with blood spilt ,like the French did to the aristocrats the only way out .

  36. Marcus

    Honest question – what should he have done differently? And take into account the team he had to work with.

    He could have picked a better team. Can you honestly say, for example, that the 18C attempted reform would have gone as badly if Eric Abetz had been Attorney General instead of George Brandis? And he should have moved Joe Hockey from Treasury at the first opportunity.

  37. Marcus

    Not to mention keeping Turnbull in his cabinet was a fatal mistake. As a single backbencher with limited executive experience, he wouldn’t have been a threat and could have carped on to his heart’s content with no serious consequences for the Abbott government. As a senior minister, however …

  38. Speedbox

    However, I hold out no hope of Morrison having the mettle to adopt the kind of policies espoused by conservatives, which would undoubtedly benefit Australia. ………If we want a Mrs Thatcher we need to reform the voting system (which won’t happen) or, perhaps, to get into such deep doo-doo that a conservative leader and conservative policies are seen as the only resort by most of the people. With Shorten in the wings, that might well happen in coming years. Take some meagre hope from that.

    Depressing, isn’t it. Our best hope is that after a wrecking Shorten term as PM, the electorate may be sooo desperate for fiscal stability and sense, that a conservative Government may be seen as the only resort.

    My concern is that the people actually ‘want’ the quasi-socialist life and if Shorten is elected, (as seems certain) the people of this country deserve everything that is going to happen.

    But again, I don’t think many/most are actually concerned at the prospect. They are low information drones who get their periodic news fix from the big media organisations. They just don’t know another world exists and are entirely disengaged from politics. They will parrot “Trump is insane” without a single idea about America or her politics but have heard the comment ‘on the TV’ so it must be true. How many times have you heard the refrain that “It’s just politics. Nothing I can do about it. Did you watch Neighbors last night?” (or similar).

    They have vaguely heard about Saudi Arabia killing some guy but don’t know much about it. Most of them couldn’t find the South China Sea (or Afghanistan, or Syria etc) on a map. They think Tony Abbott was bad but can’t say why and the dropping of Malcolm Turnbull is a complete mystery. Those and a hundred other issues are met with the response of – huh?

    I think were fucked.

  39. Tony Abbot is the best of those in the Liberal and National (and LNP). He has learnt a lot. He was wrong to have Turnbull in cabinet after the election win against Rudd. Maybe he could not dump Bishop as she was elected deputy but he should have put her into a domestic portfolio. She was a failure in finance but maybe employment to shake up the unions. If she failed that then he could have persuaded the party to dump her. Abbot would have won the election that Turnbull nearly lost. Turnbull rates the worst PM other than the failures in the Labour party (Whitlam, Rudd, Gillard, Forde and maybe some others)

  40. Robber Baron

    Australia is ready for Stalinist Labor. After experiencing Bill Stalin, Australia will beg for anyone else.

  41. Leo G

    Turnbull should be expelled from the liberal party.

    Too late- Turnbull has effectively expelled the Liberal Party.

  42. Iampeter

    I am with Tony on both of these.

    But holding those positions on both issues is incoherent. Politics is about rights and right wingers (individualists) would oppose regulating both energy companies and immigration. To hold one view on the one issue but not the other, makes no sense and speaks to the total political illiteracy of the people discussing the issues.

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump. But he was a Prime Minister not a President isolated from a need for cabinet solidarity.

    What does that even mean? Abbott and Trump are both total collectivists and therefore leftists.
    Look, I know I’m probably wasting my time, but you really need to learn to integrate your ideas.
    This is why I laugh at you when you make posts “booing” socialism.
    When you support collectivists, statists, who pass trillion dollar spending bills, regulate trade, immigration, expand the welfare and regulatory state, don’t you see that you ARE a socialist?

  43. JohnL

    Here is what should have done in the government:
    1) Cut the excise on petrol by half.
    2) Cut the excise on alcohol (beer, wine, spirits) by half.
    3) Cut the excise on tobacco by half.
    4) Declare that climate change, global warming is crap.
    5) Pull out of the Paris Agreement
    6) Cut out all subsidies for “renewable.
    7) Abolish the HRC.
    8) Declare that the “multiculturalism” is crap.
    9) Make a rule that any immigrant, legal, illegal, that comes in by boat, by air or on foot, won’t be eligible for any social security benefits until they been in Australia for two years.

  44. Roger

    The full extent of the decline was not apparent at first – they looked good in opposition but then they only had to do lip service and they had the preposterous Rudd and the grating Gillard against them.

    The parliamentary Liberals gave Abbott free rein as Opposition leader because he was their surest route to ministerial leather. Once they arrived at the desired destination they got off the Abbott train.

  45. candy

    trillion dollar spending bills, regulate trade, immigration, expand the welfare and regulatory state, don’t you see that you ARE a socialist?

    Iampeter, there are no trillion dollar spending bills, free trade agreements were made by TA, welfare he tried to cut down on (Medicare co-payment), and tried to reduce green regulations, stopped illegal immigration.

    I just can’t see how you say TA is a socialist, you know, I just can’t make that out.

  46. JC

    Iam

    Friedman believed a welfare state and open door immigration could not work. In your book then he’s a socialist. Get off your soap box and stop abusing people, you ignoramus. STFU.

  47. .

    JohnL
    #2852713, posted on October 30, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    Here is what should have done in the government:
    1) Cut the excise on petrol by half.
    2) Cut the excise on alcohol (beer, wine, spirits) by half.
    3) Cut the excise on tobacco by half.
    4) Declare that climate change, global warming is crap.
    5) Pull out of the Paris Agreement
    6) Cut out all subsidies for “renewable.
    7) Abolish the HRC.
    8) Declare that the “multiculturalism” is crap.
    9) Make a rule that any immigrant, legal, illegal, that comes in by boat, by air or on foot, won’t be eligible for any social security benefits until they been in Australia for two years.

    Excellent, great, low hanging fruit that a centrist government could have gone for, and also badly needed.

    We couldn’t even get “badly needed”.

    Sad!

  48. Tel

    Iampeter is rights about everything, it’s all part of his rights wing political system.

    Agreements, negotiation, contracts, understanding how business operates, working with other people… totally not the rights approach.

  49. Jock

    Interesting comments by Steve and Sinc on the Libs. I see the “broad church” of Howard breaking down. The reason for the broad church was to keep as many on the broad conservative side together, pissing out of the tent rather than in. It meant that instead of 3 or 4 parties vying for the centre right vote there was one or 2 (the Nats). Tjhe idea was to first win power then share the ideological ground. That worked reasonably well up to about 15 years ago. Then Climate alarmism and a big government/ move to the left came along. The fissures in the Party became more pronouncved as the distance between various positions became greater. Many Libs became socially progressive rather than conservative or just liberal. Gay and LGBTI support are just one manifestation of this.

    In all this the branches generally are more conservative than the execs and the MPs. Go figure. But the main reason is the way the left of the Party has been able to manipulate its way into positions of power. Photios is an excellent example. The Federal President is of the left.

    How will this end up? Climate alarmism and immigration are key issues where there is little common ground. The laugh is that some on the alarmism side want lower immigration. Others who are sceptical of AGM may be less worried about higher immigration. So the whole thing is fraught and difficult. It may be that the Party is in fact two parties. But given the preferential voting system a Centre Right Liberal Party will give preferences to a left Liberal Party or the Nats or the LDP or One Nation. So in the end it comes down to one side or the other gaining more power wheras together they get to share it. The problem really lies on whether the members feel it is being shared properly.

  50. Sinclair Davidson

    I see the “broad church” of Howard breaking down.

    Yep. It turns out the conservatives define a broad church to mean that small-l liberals are kept around as useful idiots.

  51. mh

    Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump

    No no no no no.

  52. Percy Popinjay

    Get off your soap box and stop abusing people, you ignoramus. STFU.

    Indeed. We’re talking about the kind of monumental dullard that hasn’t even twigged that governments don’t exist to protect rights, they exist to destroy them. Only a complete and utter fuckwit would think otherwise.

  53. .

    Ought and is, PP. A very excellent example.

  54. Dr Fred Lenin

    Looks like another left wing government coming up, the 6th since 2007,same same ,stupidity,greed, avarice ,feminazis. Poofters islamofascists african gangsters rentseekers bribe takers the whole rotten gamut of what,government should not be like . The west is getting as bad as the dysfunctional rest of the world , fortunately the USA is only half crazy thank Allah Clinton was beaten or it would be all crazy .

  55. Mr Black

    We need a constitutional amendment to make only Australian born citizens eligible to vote. Let’s take away the lefts primary motivation in filling the place with unwanted foreigners.

  56. RobK

    Mr Black,
    So would only aussie born citizens be eligible to serve in the ADF. Would a two tier citizenship solve anything other than your fear of vote-heards voting against your view. I know plenty of foreign born Aussies (and perm residents) who arent left leaning.

  57. Iampeter

    I just can’t see how you say TA is a socialist, you know, I just can’t make that out.

    Yes, most people just can’t join the dots between collectivist policies and the fact that collectivism, taken to its logical conclusion, is socialism.
    Why do you think we keep getting socialism despite the epic body count?
    Because as long as you can “stop the boats” it’s worth it!

    Yep. It turns out the conservatives define a broad church to mean that small-l liberals are kept around as useful idiots.

    I think if you have clear principles and a coherent ideology you don’t need a “broad church”. Howard had none of these things, no ideas of his own, so spent his time in office implementing the left’s agenda.
    He then justified this by explaining that he was appealing to a broad church and amazingly instead of being tarred and feathered and thrown out of the movement, this was accepted as a legit explanation.

    Apparently to conservatives, socialism is A-OK, “because broad church”.
    Conservative political movements are super-fantastic!

  58. Jimf

    Abbot first made a tactical error by declaring “no cuts to..” blah blah on the eve of an election the LNP were always going to win. After that brain fart he set himself up to be accused of dishonesty from day one. Dumb. Secondly he thought that being a PM meant he had to walk both sides of the street and in the process set aside all of his convictions in order to be a “ statesman”. The punters respect strength of belief , provided it can be articulated. In the end he lost his purpose, thought he could succeed by being an “everyman”. And Trump broke all the “rules” , but the US system affords him a framework that Westminster democracy doesn’t .

  59. J.H.

    “Tony Abbott was our Donald Trump”. Yep, he certainly was. Definitely as opposition leader.

    He was a conservative bastion before Trump ever came on the scene. In opposition he was masterful, bringing about the downfall of Rudd within a single term and being effective to win back enough seats to hang the Parliament, and then win it next election with a 15 seat majority.

    At the beginning of Abbott’s PMship his administration was single minded on curbing illegal immigration and stopping the boats despite an utterly hostile media and rabid academia… However, in our system, Tony Abbott was constrained by the Senate. It was hostile to him and he could get nothing done outside his mandate of “Stopping the Boats”… He couldn’t repeal much Ecofascist legislation, but he could mitigate it, and did. He couldn’t do anything about 18c, etc. Any loses he incurred trying to front up to that hostile Senate only gave Turnbull more ammunition to undermine him… etc.

    Tony Abbott confronted Vladimir Putin over the deaths of 38 Australians in the Russian shootdown of MH17 that cost 298 lives…. The media vilified and scorned Abbott for daring to take Putin to task during the G20. It was in my opinion, the lowest most treacherous act of bastardry, that I have ever seen from the Australian media. They sided with Putin over Abbott… Unbelievable.

    The media treatment of Tony Abbott is appalling still. Sometimes I begin to wonder if Australia isn’t just a low IQ Society incapable of higher thought processes or problem solving capabilities…. but then I read the Cat or Quadrant or Bolt and realize that there’s still a few smarties left in the packet.

  60. Seco

    Abbott and Hockey sat on their whilst getting smashed daily by all and sundry because they had the inability to sell a $7 co-payment to see a doctor. Only after months of copping did they crumble and decide to not proceed. Nothing summed up the Abbott era better than that. Sure Labor will be awful but we need only thank the gutless Liberals led by Abbott. He started the rot, Turnbull hastened it and here we are.

  61. Seco

    clair Davidson
    #2852528, posted on October 30, 2018 at 4:30 pm
    Trump makes no effort to be liked by morons. Abbott on the other hand did.

    Turnbull didn’t need to exert himself to be liked by morons but that was an apparent sign of potential greatness.

  62. Seco

    Remember when Trump appointed Natasha Stott-Despoya as the “Ambassador for Women and Children”?

  63. However, in our system, Tony Abbott was constrained by the Senate. It was hostile to him and he could get nothing done outside his mandate of “Stopping the Boats”… He couldn’t repeal much Ecofascist legislation, but he could mitigate it, and did. He couldn’t do anything about 18c, etc. Any loses he incurred trying to front up to that hostile Senate only gave Turnbull more ammunition to undermine him… etc.

    And speaking of the Senate, don’t forget the special WA senate election. If he had come out swinging, there was the possibility that the Senate would have been even more hostile.

  64. Eyrie

    That’s Snott-Despoiler, Seco. Although I heard she was known as Scrote-Destroyer at uni.

  65. Jo Smyth

    The Liberals have got just as much chance to win the next election as Labor, but they won’t. They are weak and ineffectual and will stand in the corner while Labor punch them into submission. Every time Labor comes up with a useless, tax grabbing policy, the Liberals will stay silent and not counter punch. The Liberals could be out there every day shouting down Labor but instead all they do is try to appease the media. The Liberals haven’t got a clue how to be Liberals and deliver what their voters want.

  66. Tony Abbott is our Donald Trump.

    God no. Trump wouldn’t hire Abbott in a million years, he’d see right through him (which isn’t difficult when you’re made of transparent jelly and have no backbone).

    The difference between Abbott and Trump summed up in one quote:
    “I don’t go out of my may to be cordial to enemies.” (DJT – The Art of the Deal)

  67. Mr Black

    RobK, There would not be two tiers of citizenship. There would be one tier, citizenship. There would also be people who moved to Australia during their lifetimes but are not Australian. They are essentially, guests of our nation. And yes, guests of the nation would not be eligible to serve in many important roles that requires loyalty to the culture, people and traditions of Australia. Loyalty to a paycheck is insufficient and as we can see everywhere, government often uses its massive hiring power to warehouse “new arrivals” who have no particular contribution to make or value to provide this once great country. Government employment is only a half step away from welfare if it is used as a way to hide unemployable immigrants. If you moved to China, no one on earth would refer to you as Chinese no matter how long you lived there or if you became a citizen. It works the same everywhere, despite what the open-borders people dream would happen.

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