Wednesday Forum: October 31, 2018

This entry was posted in Open Forum. Bookmark the permalink.

2,052 Responses to Wednesday Forum: October 31, 2018

1 7 8 9
  1. JC

    I doubt that JC.

    Oh yea? This is how closely related Chinese are to each other for a large proportion of the population.

    DNA Evidence Suggests 300 Million Chinese Men Are Descended From Just Three Stone Age Grandfathers
    More than 40 per cent of the Chinese Han population can trace their family tree back to three ‘super-grandfathers’ who lived during the Neolithic era

    This is truly fucking astonishing.

    https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/dna-evidence-suggests-300-million-chinese-men-are-descended-from-just-three-stone-age-grandfathers-e91d1c313489

  2. max

    Heard a good interview with an Australian woman on the BBC who had just completed a study of the electoral process in the US.

    She talked about the important role of State governors and State assemblies because they get to set electoral boundaries. Some shenanigans occurring there. One electorate she mentioned has a Z shape, another, H. She pointed the finger at the Dems as offenders, countering known Republican areas by gerrymander.

    She also mentioned that voter ID regulations now require voters to turn up with proof of a permanent residential address. PO Box nos. don’t cut it. She was outraged. Poor people, new arrivals, drifters, Indians on reservations who don’t have a normal postal address denied their rights. She seemed to want to blame Pence. Said he’d brought this in. All news to me.

  3. Leo G

    She and her siblings were born in Papua New Guinea to a Papuan mother before the nation achieved independence in 1975 and were granted Australian citizenship as children.

    Can a minor be granted Australian citizenship? And why, if she was an Australian citizen, did John Bird’s daughter Cathy apply for the visa which was granted in 1994?

  4. Tel

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/iq-scores-of-famous-people-76779/

    Bill Gates is reported to have an IQ of 160, which beats out most of the nation.

    Wow that sounds impressive, got any reference for where he took the test, how old, etc?

    Where as President Barack Obama meanwhile is reported to have an IQ of 130,

    Was that with or without teleprompter? More choom or less choom? Hey this is important, science is on the line here.

    … which just beats out former President George W Bush, whose IQ was 125.

    I always thought that guy just pretended to be dopey.

    However, both fall short of former President Bill Clinton whose IQ is reportedly 137.

    Did they measure the big head or the little head?

    On a side note, Hillary Clinton tops all of them, with an IQ of 140.

    Presumably she’s sharper after a few drinks.

    However, all of them fall short of Adolf Hitler; the Nazi leader had an IQ of 141.

    Ahhh you got me … now you are just yanking my crank. You honestly want me to believe someone tested this guy?

    Famous English author Charles Dickens reportedly had an IQ of 180, while fellow Englishman Charles Darwin had an IQ of 165. Staying with the English, Sir Isaac Newton had an astonishing IQ of 190.

    They rewrite history to fill in IQ test results?!? No wonder Obama did so well. Wait, this whole thing is BS. Do I pass??

  5. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Saying “slanty eyed” in these day and times is really puzzling. Why would Ross Cameron do that ?

    I don’t see what is racist about that. It’s not like anyone sighted can’t tell the difference between an asian eye and a western eye.

    I have been in tiananmen square during the national day celebration and was literally the only white person in a vast ocean of many 100s of thousands of black haired, slanty eye, yellow skinned people.

    How is that racist? seems actually referring to the differences is racist. This is just attempting to control what people think by controlling what they can say. We have to pretend the differences simply don’t exist, like pretending males or females who identify with the opposite gender are what they identify as.

    Mass insanity.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    Any suggestions?

    Myself.

    A return to normality would be my guiding light. The freaks and the fringes must and will be cast aside. Anyone who has a twitter account should be banned from all media.

  7. .

    Can a minor be granted Australian citizenship?

    Before 1984 (?), it was granted to the child if the parent was naturalised from another dominion as British subjects.

    And why, if she was an Australian citizen, did John Bird’s daughter Cathy apply for the visa which was granted in 1994?

    Maybe they didn’t have the paperwork to prove it.

    I’m still confused over all of this.

  8. Muddy

    Top Ender
    #2855351, posted on November 2, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    I have spent some time in debate over the last five years with a few chaps who insist the Armidale raft survivors were finished off by a Japanese submarine.

    Their argument is they were spotted by a Catalina, which couldn’t land due to the sea conditions. By the time a ship reached the datum point the survivors had vanished.

    Interestingly enough, sea battle survivors were sometimes treated more humanely than those Allied personnel captured on land.

    That photo is haunting. A childhood friend of my paternal grandmother was on the raft, and I’ve spent many minutes squinting, trying to discern faces, imagining the despair.

  9. JC

    Forgive me, SDFC. Correct me if I’m wrong. Don’t Chinese Asians have straight black hair, yellowish pigmented skin and distinguishing eyelids? Seriously, what’s the big deal.

    I saw and still maintain…. I saw the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen getting out of a Rolls at the entrance of a Shanghai hotel about a decade or so ago. She had black hair, a yellowish pigment…. etc. I haven’t change my mind on that one. Stop being a fusspot.

  10. .

    Famous English author Charles Dickens reportedly had an IQ of 180, while fellow Englishman Charles Darwin had an IQ of 165. Staying with the English, Sir Isaac Newton had an astonishing IQ of 190.

    ???

    IQ tests (Binet) were invented 34 years after Dickens carked it.

    As Leibniz invented calculus with better notation and had a better grasp of integrals, can we say he had an IQ of 220?

  11. Tel

    John D was pretty freaking smart. Oil aside, I worked with a dude whose great grandpa or grandpa used to play poker with John D one night most weeks. John D was always up by the end of each year.

    Poker is an interesting game and in some ways closely tied with the USA, but do you think IQ tests measure the same thing?

  12. .

    By the time a ship reached the datum point the survivors had vanished.

    They were probably eaten by sharks. Bloody hell the blokes in the Navy are brave. Not my friggin’ cup of tea.

  13. JC

    I think it does, Tel. Poker and IQ tests are essentially puzzle solving tasks.

    Look, I think anyone with an IQ of say 120 can do any job in the world.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pakistan paralysed amid blasphemy protests

    Associated Press
    18 minutes ago November 2, 2018

    Life has been at a standstill across Pakistan as Islamist groups protest against a Supreme Court decision to free a Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy.

    Schools, offices and shops were closed and traffic was thin as protesters blocked highways and railway tracks in major cities on Friday, the third day of protests.

    Pakistan suspended mobile phone networks in major cities, as it often does in the hopes of disrupting the organisation of protests.

    The government’s efforts to negotiate with the leaders of Tehreek-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) – the Islamist group responsible for the protests – to defuse the situation ended in a stalemate overnight to Friday.

    Three of the four entrances into the capital Islamabad were being controlled by the TLP and activists were preventing vehicles from passing through. They also burned cars and ransacked shops.

    The protests broke out on Wednesday after a three-judge tribunal ordered the release of Asia Bibi, a Christian woman who had been on death row since 2010.

    There was no official word on the whereabouts of Bibi, but reports in local media suggested she might have been flown out of Pakistan due to safety concerns.

    Breaking news. Coming soon, to a mosque near you.

  15. JC

    She thinks she’s as valuable as a big time player. I bet she won’t be cheer leading after this caper.

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/1058262757525471232

  16. Roger

    There was no official word on the whereabouts of Bibi, but reports in local media suggested she might have been flown out of Pakistan due to safety concerns.

    To their credit, France & Spain reportedly offered asylum (why not Australia?).

    I hope she chose Spain.

  17. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    They rewrite history to fill in IQ test results?!? No wonder Obama did so well. Wait, this whole thing is BS. Do I pass??

    Tel you are overly fond of downplaying the importance of IQ, the issue with IQ isn’t so much the smart people it’s the dumb people.

    Driving the average IQ up was a necessary ingredient in the success of the western world, if we still had an average IQ of 65 we would still be 3rd world. You can’t argue against that proposition.

  18. sdfc

    This is truly fucking astonishing.

    That is astonishing JC, but we are all inbred to some extent.

    For you to not be inbred you would have over 1 billion ancestors going back just 20 generations.

  19. JC

    The admixture is very narrow for this broad population, SDFC. Stop being oppositional for its own sake.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pamela Anderson urges Scott Morrison to ban live exports
    Maria Bervanakis, News Corp Australia Network
    November 2, 2018 5:34pm

    FORMER Baywatch babe Pamela Anderson has urged Scott Morrison to ban live animal exports.

    In a letter sent to the Prime Minister today, the Hollywood star and one-time Playboy Playmate congratulates Mr Morrison on his appointment and says they share something in common.

    “Congratulations on your appointment as Prime Minister! Australia is one of my favourite places to visit. I read your maiden speech and was glad to see that we share the same strong principles of justice and compassion,” writes Anderson.

    Anderson, an honorary director of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals who famously posed nude to support various PETA campaigns, then calls on ScoMo to act on live animal exports.

    “Today, I’m writing to ask that you put your compassion into action by ending the live-animal export industry.”

    The US-Canadian starlet says a petition signed by 238,000 people calling for an end to the practise was recently sent to “your parliament”. Yet, she adds, a livestock export license has just been issued to a subsidiary of a company linked to the Emanuel Exports disaster (in which she claims more than 2400 sheep died in transit last year).

  21. Leo G

    I don’t see what is racist about that.

    Journalists apply the “racist” tag without much thought. Ross Cameron used a racial stereotype in a Disneyland socio-cultural context. The comment wasn’t about race, but what seemed to him a cultural incongruity – normally the stuff of humour.
    Naturally, it triggered a different Pavlovian response amongst the PC police.
    Ross should have known better than to broadcast the comment.

  22. sdfc

    I’m not being opposition anything. The Han Chinese are the dominant, but not the only ethnic group in China. We are all inbred. How many generations to the neolithic do you reckon?

  23. Viva

    I seem to remember Prince Philip telling British students studying in China they might get “slitty eyed” earning himself the moniker The Great Wally of China. I note he didn’t get the sack.

  24. JC

    around 500 generations.

    SDFC
    Han Chinese are over 90% of the population. It’s a very narrow breeding group. They look broadly similar because they are.

  25. Myself.

    A return to normality would be my guiding light. The freaks and the fringes must and will be cast aside. Anyone who has a twitter account should be banned from all media.

    Yeah nah IT, I am not sure anyone would survive your rules of behaviour to actually appear on the show.

  26. sdfc

    2^500 is a fucking big number.

    300 million isn’t 90% of the Chinese population.

  27. JC

    I didn’t say 300 is 90%. I said 300 million can trace their beginnings to three grandfathers. That doesn’t invalidate the subsequent comments.

  28. Oh come on

    Cameron’s sacking was a complete no-brainer. You can’t say what he said as a host on mainstream TV and expect to keep your job. Cameron is done – let him go. The more insidious phenomenon that is worth resisting is the ABC-led claim that ‘growing demands Rowan Dean also be sacked’ is a thing. That is straight-out bullshit.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    Yeah nah IT, I am not sure anyone would survive your rules of behaviour to actually appear on the show.

    All guests would have to wear a suit and tie iland behave like normal people. Sheilas would have to dress nice too. We would discuss normal middle class concerns in a pleasant and respectful manner. No lunacy would be allowed. Anyone lying would be punched in the genitals.

    Also, If you can’t refrain from calling someone a gook for 30 mins, you’re out.

  30. Leo G

    More than 40 per cent of the Chinese Han population can trace their family tree back to three ‘super-grandfathers’ who lived during the Neolithic era

    Not strictly true- they can only be referring to ancestors solely along the paternal line of ancestry.

  31. Oh come on

    Zippy continues to be a dopey racist xunt, I see.

    Your Tiananmen Square story no doubt contains a kernel of truth, Zippy, as most lies do.

  32. All guests would have to wear a suit and tie iland behave like normal people. Sheilas would have to dress nice too. We would discuss normal middle class concerns in a pleasant and respectful manner. No lunacy would be allowed. Anyone lying would be punched in the genitals.

    Show name: The Squirrel.

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Did I ever tell you how I discovered a rare colony of squirrels in the Fitzroy Gardens one evening?

  34. .

    Not strictly true- they can only be referring to ancestors solely along the paternal line of ancestry.

    That’s my beef with this “seven daughters of eve” nonsense.

    As for evolution, it doesn’t capture transgenic shift.

  35. Mitch M.

    They rewrite history to fill in IQ test results?!? No wonder Obama did so well. Wait, this whole thing is BS. Do I pass??

    Yes it is BS. We have no idea on historical figures and those are just guesses. Gates IQ is based on his SAT results and his performance on various tasks. He taught himself how to code for IBM mainframe just by reading manuals, he was admitted to Harvard(no mean feat), and was a prodigious worker who in the initial years of MS checked all the code. Those who know him attest he is a very smart man. Gates himself though thinks intelligence is over rated and I have considerable sympathy with that. Perseverance and curiousity are very important so even a person in the superior range, up to 125, can produce brilliant work. I’ve had some friends who were brilliant on taking tests but in the real world they weren’t interested in being the smartest person in the room or doing endless degrees. One of those upon completing his honours was offered 3 Ph. D scholarships at leading universities(he didn’t even apply and joked with me how on his honours exams his hair was still wet because he had been skin diving just half an hour beforehand). They were happy. That’s important. As Nietzsche wrote: And learning better to feel joy we learn best not to hurt others or plan hurts for them.

    The Pollie results don’t surprise me but I also don’t trust them because if you go through that much education and are that obsessive you are very highly motivated to maximise your potential intelligence; something which most of us never realise. It is possible to prepare for IQ tests and the examples you mention strike me as the type of people who are obsessive about high scoring. In neuropsych testing they refer to the “practice effect” and so do not allow regular testing on individuals because they become skilled at the particular tests. The Hitler thing strikes me as complete BS.

  36. Did I ever tell you how I discovered a rare colony of squirrels in the Fitzroy Gardens one evening?

    Good times.

  37. sdfc

    Actually JC are right I am being oppositional in a way. But the maths says we all descendant of very small population groups if you back far enough.

  38. Mitch M.

    I didn’t say 300 is 90%. I said 300 million can trace their beginnings to three grandfathers. That doesn’t invalidate the subsequent comments.

    Another reason why I don’t trust ancestral genetics. Look at that earlier post I put up. Originally it was argued by Wilson and many others that all humans descended from one small group. That has now been completely turned on its head.

  39. Top Ender

    They were probably eaten by sharks

    Probably not. Sharks are generally carrion feeders up here.

    The raft blokes probably died from exposure as the raft disintegrated around them. Anyone in the Timor Sea for several days is going to eventually die without shade and water.

  40. Oh come on

    Dear lord stick a fork in this thread, please. We’ve fallen down the IQ/race/genetics rabbit hole again.

  41. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Your Tiananmen Square story no doubt contains a kernel of truth, Zippy, as most lies do.

    blah blah blah.

    I’m completely baffled why you would even think to have an issue with the fact I have been to china, or that I had a chinese gf at the time. Oh yes I remember, because I think that western civilisation is superior to chinese civilisation. Well all I can say about china is it’s a complete f*cking shithole.

  42. Hay Stockard

    OCO,
    Well,there was s a new thread. People don’t seem to care these days. The humanity.

  43. rickw

    It is kind of funny when east Asians describe themselves in English as yellow.

    Particularly the ladies, do you have yellow fever yet?!

  44. rickw

    Nice to be back in the third world, Airport Taxi rank operating with its usual weekend goat market like efficiency, Taxi pretty well rooted, Driver could drive and follow GPS for a change, no credit card facilities in Taxi’s, cash only, apparently something in Telstra has crapped itself.

  45. mh

    I’ve book ended this thread.

  46. Tailgunner

    I was looking at the US mid term markets on Beteasy yesterday and they had GOP 2.75 to keep the house. Now that market has disappeared.

    @Sportsbet has that market, mh – TGOP 3/1.

  47. mh

    Yes, I’m not impressed by Beteasy.

    All they have is one market on the mid terms – which party wins the Senate, GOP $1.20

1 7 8 9

Comments are closed.