Wednesday Forum: October 31, 2018

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  1. Mark M

    Annastacia Palaszczuk 29 October 2018:

    “Every single candidate that stands for election at the next federal election should state very clearly for the Australian public, do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”

    https://twitter.com/AnnastaciaMP/status/1057110624197521408

    2015: The Queensland Leader of the Opposition Annastacia Palaszczuk has spoken of her desire to triple the number of Queenslanders with solar … (0.17) “I can’t control the weather.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezbhVrb7zMs

    Ya just gotta ‘believe’.

  2. Perfidious Albino

    Wait, top 10?

  3. Mak Siccar

    Good morning one and all.

    The Oz reports that some migrants from Nauru have been moved to Adelaide. If true then the Liberals are as weak as …..

  4. Robber Baron

    VCE English exams on today. Good luck to everyone. Remember….Universities are not the places of ideas and elite learning they once were.

    My advice to you is forget uni and start your own business and be a capitalist. You will learn more from being in business than you ever will from lecturers.

  5. calli

    Lurkation pays.

    Greetings from Route 66.

  6. C.L.

    Annastacia Palaszczuk 29 October 2018:

    “Every single candidate that stands for election at the next federal election should state very clearly for the Australian public, do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”

    Twice-divorced by 40.

  7. C.L.

    Associated Press:
    Taliban: 5 freed from US military prison by President Obama rejoin terrorist group.

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Five members of the Afghan Taliban who were freed from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for captured American army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl have joined the insurgent group’s political office in Qatar, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said Tuesday.

    Ace notes:

    You built that, you stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

    Of course, Obama didn’t really fail; he did exactly what he set out to do.

    Undermine, subvert, destroy.

  8. mh

    This time next week we will be watching the mid term results coming in.

    Predictions: Anyone here apart from Monty predicting a blue wave?

    I’m predicting GOP to defy the historical norms and hold both Senate and Congress. Then it’s 🍿 time as the Dems eat each other – not a pretty sight.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    Flee, flee!

    Barbra Streisand ‘thinking’ about moving to Canada if GOP wins the House

    Barbra Streisand is once again thinking about leaving the United States for political reasons.

    In a Tuesday interview with The New York Times, the 76-year-old star admitted that she’s considering moving to Canada if the Democrats don’t win a majority in the House of Representatives in the midterm elections next week

    “It’s making me fat,” she continued. “I hear what he said now, and I have to go eat pancakes now, and pancakes are very fattening. We make them with healthy flour, though — almond flour, coconut flour.”

    “He has no facts. I don’t know, I can’t believe it. I’m either coming to your country [Australia], if you’ll let me in, or Canada,” she said according to The Hollywood Reporter.

    Someone please tell her that all our recent lefty Prime Ministers have decamped to New York. Maybe they know something that she doesn’t.

  10. do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.

    Yes! Yes! I have seen the light!
    Profits be upon me!

    It is a religion.

    A death cult.

  11. Muddy

    Thanks for the link, C.L. There are some funny memes there.

  12. Muddy

    The Twatter link, I mean.

  13. Jo Smyth

    Always suspected Kanye West was a fair weather friend. Just before the midterms he pulls out of politics. He could have waited until next week. Very strange he makes his move now.

  14. Muddy

    do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”

    Do they believe in the state-sanctioned killing of poor people who cannot afford electricity?
    Should we just kill poor white people, or poor black or brown people too?
    Should we televise those executions to recoup the money the state spends on the execution itself?
    Yes, or no.
    These are simple questions.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nauru families ‘secretly moved to Adelaide’

    AAP
    14 minutes ago October 31, 2018
    15 Comments

    Asylum-seeker families on Nauru are secretly being moved to Adelaide as the federal government bows to public pressure to remove children from immigration detention.

    Up to seven families have reportedly been resettled from the island’s immigration detention centre in the past two weeks, according to refugee advocates.

    But the federal government has refused to confirm if a Nauru Airlines flight into Adelaide on Monday was carrying asylum seekers, even though the airline only flies into Adelaide on contract by the Home Affairs Department, The Advertiser reports.

    Defence Minister and senior SA MP Christopher Pyne said he was not aware of the specific details.

    “I don’t know if that’s to Adelaide, I haven’t made those inquiries, I’ve only seen that story myself this morning, but if that’s the case I think most people would welcome that outcome,” he told 5AA radio on Wednesday. However, he added that it was important people smugglers did not think they had a green light to resume their “hideous trade”.

    From the Oz. The first boats will be arriving soon.

  16. Hay Stockard

    Top twenty. Remember those days? When we bought vynil?

  17. Muddy

    I think most people would welcome that outcome

    And people here are still, STILL, going to vote for these deceitful, puss-filled corpses – hey, there’s liquid in my pocket, it must be raining! – because ‘it could be worse.’

    FONDLE.MY.DONKEY.

  18. H B Bear

    The Father of Middle Class Welfare was the master of resettlement of country shoppers by midnight flights to Australia.

  19. Elle

    Bespoke,
    Elle intrigues me to be honest. I think our paths will cross soon if they haven’t already. I hope she likes old fat cripples. Some ladies have a predililiction that way. At least I have all my hair. It’s in the Dyson.

    Hey Hay, I missed your comment from the last thread.
    Chuckles.

  20. Hay Stockard

    Hmmm. Lying to your base on what is one of the few policies they support? It’s a feature not a bug sez bugman.

  21. JC

    “Every single candidate that stands for election at the next federal election should state very clearly for the Australian public, do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”

    It religious. It’s like a form of Islam.

  22. Snoopy

    What the hell is Rush’s accuser wearing?If I was on the jury I’d vote against just for that clown outfit

    She’s obviously lost a lot of weight recently. It must be the stress.

  23. Death Giraffe

    Did we ever find out who waved their penis in Debbie’s face?

  24. Death Giraffe

    No.
    I gots to know.

  25. It is a religion.

    Stop slandering religion. BTW, I don’t actually see a problem with such a question. Would anyone be opposed to asking political candidates: Do you believe in free speech? Do you believe in religious freedom? No, then what is the problem re climate change?

  26. Today’s news is full of Roger Stone types trying to smear Mueller. And it is all blowing up in their faces in spectacular fashion. So much for that October surprise, LOL.

  27. Helen

    In response to the Oz article that said kids and their families are being snuck off Nauru and relocated in Adelaide, I posted the following

    So all the illegal boat people have to do is bring a kid with them and they will be given residence in Australia. You utter utter weak fools. You will kill more children this way. More children will be placed in danger. More boat breakdowns, more photos of perishing starving children – they do not care what happens to them, they are merely props in a theatre where the outcome is a ticket to the welfare of Australia.

    The only way to stop it now is to deny welfare of any kind to any migrant. All migrants must be self supporting for ten years before applying for citizenship.

    Just like my ancestors had to be.

    I was flying along at 17 likes and rising when they pulled it, and rejected it, after accepting it. I don’t know why.

  28. calli

    Full Metal Trump Derangement on CNN.

    Apparently Trump shouldn’t have gone to Pittsburg but he should have gone to Pittsburg.

    He spoke. He shouldn’t have spoken. He’s toxic. We need National Healing. He was alone. But he was with Melania.

    No one wanted him there. The rabbi greeted him.

    Do these idiots ever listen to themselves?

  29. Tom

    The Australian government has instructed all of its employees and sub-contractors not to fly with Lion Air [Indonesia’s biggest domestic airline] until further notice.

    The ban takes effect immediately following Monday’s fatal crash in the Java Sea which claimed 189 lives.

    “Following the fatal crash of a Lion Air plane on 29 October 2018, Australian government officials and contractors have been instructed not to fly on Lion Air or their subsidiary airlines. This decision will be reviewed when the findings of the crash investigation are clear,” the Department Of Foreign Affairs and Trade said in a message posted to its website.

    Lion Air Group also operates regional airline Wings Air and full-service Batik Air which flies to Perth from Bali.

    It is the first time the Australian Government has issued such a ban on an airline.

  30. Tel

    … do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no

    Yes I believe the climate does change (a little bit) where “climate” is defined by a 30 year moving average. I’m not freaked out about it.

  31. calli

    In other news, I had delicious pumpkin pie and a shake at the Route 66 Diner today.

    Lots of laminex, chrome and tiles. Cheap as chips and fun. Bucket List.

    More Main Street fun tomorrow at Amarillo.

  32. Big_Nambas

    Predictions: Anyone here apart from Monty predicting a blue wave?

    I predict roughly a draw in the House and the Senate to the Republicans.

    I hope for a win in both for Trump.

  33. EJ.

    Should be more like…
    “Every single candidate that stands for election at the next federal election should state very clearly for the Australian public, are they eligible to sit in Parliament. Yes, or no.”
    There are still weeds that need removing!

  34. monty, are the walls closing in, closing in, beginning of the end, third quarter,…

  35. C.L.

    I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar:

    Actress ‘panicked’ by panting tongue emoji from Geoffrey Rush

  36. C.L.

    It’s always amusing when American journalists pretend to care about the J-ws.

  37. mh

    Annastacia Palaszczuk 29 October 2018:

    “Every single candidate that stands for election at the next federal election should state very clearly for the Australian public, do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”

    Daughter of Heinrich – yes climate changes. For example, the climate would have changed during the little ice age.
    And – shock horrror – the climate would have changed during the Medieval Warm Period.

  38. RobK

    do they believe in climate change. Yes, or no.”
    Political shenanigans. My comment on a previous thread, outlining the two definitions used by the UN.
    Quote;
    RobK

    #2849755, posted on October 26, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    Tony,
    To complicate things the UNFCCC has a different definition to the IPCC. Link;https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/mains1.html

    Definitions of climate change

    Climate change in IPCC usage refers to a change in the state of the climate that can be identified (e.g. using statistical tests) by changes in the mean and/or the variability of its properties, and that persists for an extended period, typically decades or longer. It refers to any change in climate over time, whether due to natural variability or as a result of human activity. This usage differs from that in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), where climate change refers to a change of climate that is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity that alters the composition of the global atmosphere and that is in addition to natural climate variability observed over comparable time periods.

    We use one, lefties use the other as agitprop. It is a real barrier to civil discussion.

  39. Ragu

    JC
    #2852872, posted on October 30, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    Cronkite

    Whatever the intention, the amendment seems pretty clear:

    . All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    If you’re born in the US, you are automatically both a US citizen and of the state where you are born.
    The winnable argument of course is that, this doesn’t mean parents of the child are conferred any rights to live in the US – only the kid has that right, I believe also expires at either 18 or 21, or so I believe. If this is correct I can’t see how the right to US citizenship, recognized by the Constitution, can have an age limit., but there you go.

    I think it’s pretty clear. If you are there illegally, then you have no rights to citizenship.

  40. Death Giraffe

    Yes I believe the climate does change (a little bit) where “climate” is defined by a 30 year moving average. I’m not freaked out about it.

    ..
    Climate change takes centuries.
    There is no decernable difference in climate from when you were born to now.
    There will be no discernable changes in temperature, sea levels, rainfall etc etc between now and when your great grandchildren die.
    It is the stupidest worry ever concocted ever.

  41. Ragu

    JC
    #2852872, posted on October 30, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    Cronkite

    Whatever the intention, the amendment seems pretty clear:

    . All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    If you’re born in the US, you are automatically both a US citizen and of the state where you are born.
    The winnable argument of course is that, this doesn’t mean parents of the child are conferred any rights to live in the US – only the kid has that right, I believe also expires at either 18 or 21, or so I believe. If this is correct I can’t see how the right to US citizenship, recognized by the Constitution, can have an age limit., but there you go.

    I think it’s pretty clear. If you are there illegally, then you have no rights to citizenship.

  42. candy

    Geoffrey Rush sounds to have acted a bit of an idiot really with his pretend gropy moves, and maybe a definite sly grope. Acting like a dumb teenager, to be smart or funny in front of his mates.
    He’s 67 so living in a bit of time warp. Maybe because of his age and his standing, the other cast members, the director and so just put up with his dumb nonsense. Not the biggest deal in the world, sounds stupid more than anything.

  43. Peter Castieau

    I had this PS who works at the ATO come into the sales yard on Friday (what a f-wit)

    Anyway he sent me a reply to an email overnight and this is his title at the ATO

    Senior Technical Advisor
    GST Technical Product Leadership
    Indirect Tax
    Australian Taxation Office

    FMD

  44. Helen

    Do any of you using brave have a problem with linking in the comment box?

    I tried to link the Oz story for my refugee comment but it would not paste it.

    Frustrating

  45. C.L.

    Somebody named Alice Walker at ABC Online celebrates the Islamic chador as a symbol of freedom, passion and life.

    It was also Ali’s alter ego; both a costume and a character that the Cambodian-born US-based artist created in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, which saw 17 people killed by Islamic extremists over three days in January 2015.

    To Ali, the Red Chador was a symbol of “passion and life” that allowed her to be bolder, and braver. This alter-ego was defiant in the face of Islamophobia, willing onlookers to see her and to acknowledge her humanity.</em

  46. Ragu

    JC
    #2852872, posted on October 30, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    Cronkite

    Whatever the intention, the amendment seems pretty clear:

    . All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    If you’re born in the US, you are automatically both a US citizen and of the state where you are born.
    The winnable argument of course is that, this doesn’t mean parents of the child are conferred any rights to live in the US – only the kid has that right, I believe also expires at either 18 or 21, or so I believe. If this is correct I can’t see how the right to US citizenship, recognized by the Constitution, can have an age limit., but there you go.

    I think it’s pretty clear. If you are there illegally, then you have no rights to citizenship.

  47. Hay Stockard

    Death Girraffe,
    That’s what I tell people. Then I point them at the SouthSea Bubble, the Tulip thing, year 2000 virus, New Ice Age and other mass hysterics.
    Perhaps the Barious witch trials would be a better example.

  48. calli

    The Beloved was accosted by a woman at the servo this afternoon re Trump. He was minding his own business putting petrol in the car and enquiring after an ATM.

    What do you think of our President? sez she. Why she thought it important was beyond him, and his sixth sense alerted him to Clear and Present TDS.

    Americans voted him in, they need to accept him and get over it, he answered. Life is too short for a four year whinge.

    Silence.

    Observation – Trump supporters are vewy, vewy quiet. The moment you make the slightest positive comment, they’re out of the woodwork. And there are a lot of them. The Dems – unbelievable loudmouths. Don’t mistake volume for votes.

  49. H B Bear

    Personally I would encourage all politicians to fly with Lion Air, especially Lieboral ministers.

  50. Hay Stockard

    Calli,
    do you know the way to Amarillo ?

  51. jupes

    Asylum-seeker families on Nauru are secretly being moved to Adelaide as the federal government bows to public pressure to remove children from immigration detention.

    SloMo – worse than Turnbull.

    He is so weak and stupid that his first real decision in office is to destroy the one success he has ever had in politics.

  52. monty, are the walls closing in, closing in, beginning of the end, third quarter,…

    End of the second act.

  53. .

    GST Technical Product Leadership

    Thanks, guys. What a great product. Keep on innovating.

  54. jupes

    End of the second act.

    Oh so when is Trump going down? 2024?

  55. Ragu

    From last nights meagre stoush

    JC
    #2852872, posted on October 30, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    Cronkite

    Whatever the intention, the amendment seems pretty clear:

    . All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    If you’re born in the US, you are automatically both a US citizen and of the state where you are born.
    The winnable argument of course is that, this doesn’t mean parents of the child are conferred any rights to live in the US – only the kid has that right, I believe also expires at either 18 or 21, or so I believe. If this is correct I can’t see how the right to US citizenship, recognized by the Constitution, can have an age limit., but there you go.

    I think the intention is fairly clear. If your parents are there illegally, then you have no rights to citizenship.

  56. Hay Stockard

    Helen,
    Well said. Would have sent a panting emoji as a like, but in this day and age, you know…

  57. Oh so when is Trump going down?

    I don’t know, but it’s going to be a fun ride.

  58. H B Bear

    Senior Technical Advisor
    GST Technical Product Leadership
    Indirect Tax
    Australian Taxation Office

    How could you get out of bed knowing that was your day job? Worse than being a dentist.

  59. H B Bear

    Good to see mUnty’s repeated failures aren’t getting him down.

  60. calli

    I do. On account of hugging my pillow each and every night.

  61. Boambee John

    I am shocked that m0nty has again demonstrated that he is a lackey of the fascist left by refusing to believe all women, just because the latest accusation harms the fascist left.

    He was hot to believe the most outlandish tales when they affected Republicans.

    Hypocrite.

  62. RobK

    Calli, say hello to sweet Marie.

  63. calli

    King Lear had a troubled relationship with all his daughters.

    How did she know he wasn’t bringing a new and rather unpleasant slant to the character? It was rehearsals.

    The woman is a twit. But believe her! Because her eyes were shut but she just…knew.

  64. Confused Old Misfit

    Any candidate that does not believe in climate change should be incarcerated in an institution for the care of the intellectually impaired. (NO! They should not be placed as administrators at a university! Although I will concede the institutional similarities)

    Any candidate who believes that human activity has caused, is now causing or will, in the future cause catastrophic climate change and/or that Carbon and/or CO2 controls the mythical global temperature should also be confined to a place where their hallucinations cannot harm the general populace or frighten the horses!

  65. lotocoti

    End of the second act.

    Perhaps it’s the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end.

  66. calli

    Which “panting” emoji? This 😛

  67. thefrolickingmole

    Shy Ted over at the dead thread has some massively valuable life advice complete with pictures.

  68. calli

    I’m trying to trigger the Sensitive Spaminator.

  69. Has there been a real live woman accuse Mueller of anything yet? The only women quoted so far that I can see are those who rejected the GOP cash to lie about him.

  70. Rae

    Geoffrey Rush sounds to have acted a bit of an idiot really with his pretend gropy moves, and maybe a definite sly grope. Acting like a dumb teenager, to be smart or funny in front of his mates.
    He’s 67 so living in a bit of time warp. Maybe because of his age and his standing, the other cast members, the director and so just put up with his dumb nonsense. Not the biggest deal in the world, sounds stupid more than anything.

    Sums it up very well.

  71. Roger

    Senior Technical Advisor
    GST Technical Product Leadership
    Indirect Tax
    Australian Taxation Office

    How could you get out of bed knowing that was your day job?

    I imagine the generous salary package with regular rounds of pay rises would help motivate the occupant to get up each day and devise new ways to shove the government’s hand in the long suffering tax payer’s emptying pocket.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    ScoMo strikes a blow for gender-neutral language The Oz

    Behind the paywall, but if this is to be taken at face value, then that adds up to two grave blunders in one day. He is degenerating at an alarming rate.

  73. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2853189, posted on October 31, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Oh so when is Trump going down?

    I don’t know, but it’s going to be a fun ride.

    So we have moved from imminent (Muellerween, ThanksMueller, in 2017) through “any day now” to “I don’t know”.

    Do you think it will be before 2024?

  74. .

    He’s 67 so living in a bit of time warp. Maybe because of his age and his standing, the other cast members, the director and so just put up with his dumb nonsense. Not the biggest deal in the world, sounds stupid more than anything.

    Let me guess, Candy wrote this nonsense?

    YEP!

  75. Dr Fred Lenin

    Whatever happened to turnbulls magic cure for the Nauru criminals ,shunting them off to Trumpland and taking central americam gangsters in return to join our imported african gangsters and muslim terrorists , ,too bloody quiet here before the globalists thought we were getting it too easy ,all men are equal except for most and the aparatchiki and cronies are more equal than anyone . You can see the Nomenklatura grow richer. And richer.

  76. Pedro the Ignorant

    Calli,
    do you know the way to Amarillo ?

    Somebody had to ask after Calli was found standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona. 🙂

  77. .

    Has there been a real live woman accuse Mueller of anything yet?

    Wow!

    All of those witches hanged, drowned or burnt solely on the accusation of another woman MUST have been guilty.

    In one fell swoop, monty validates the wisest fool in Europe and Thomas Putnam.

  78. harrys on the boat

    This video clip sums up m0nty’s last 18 months

    Bombshell

  79. Rae

    What do you think of our President? sez she …
    … Observation – Trump supporters are vewy, vewy quiet. The moment you make the slightest positive comment, they’re out of the woodwork. And there are a lot of them. The Dems – unbelievable loudmouths. Don’t mistake volume for votes.

    It’s an American thing. Definitely not restricted to one or other side of their politics. They hear your foreign (to them) accent and have to know what your views are. Almost invariably, once they engage you they will try to hit you with a “gotcha’.

  80. .

    Full Metal Trump Derangement on CNN.

    Why I bet you think Don Lemon is a real live journalist!

    WHACK! BANG! GROAN!

    NOW DROP AND GIVE ME 20, SCUMBAG!

  81. Tom

    Observation – Trump supporters are vewy, vewy quiet. The moment you make the slightest positive comment, they’re out of the woodwork. And there are a lot of them. The Dems – unbelievable loudmouths. Don’t mistake volume for votes.

    I’ve just realised: the Cat has its own Senior Foreign Correspondent (Calli) on the ground in smalltown USA for next Tuesday’s mid-terms. The media wrongology should be epic (comedy classics a la 2016). Five hundred words by 10pm on polling day would be just fine, Calli. Ta.

  82. Roger

    Asylum-seeker families on Nauru are secretly being moved to Adelaide as the federal government bows to public pressure to remove children from immigration detention.

    Another boat required for his parliamentary office:

    “I started these again.”

  83. .

    Death Giraffe
    #2853149, posted on October 31, 2018 at 11:15 am

    Did we ever find out who waved their penis in Debbie’s face?

    It was a cock made out of cash. Senator Feinstein stripped down and jiggled about like the villain of a made for TV movie with reapy conservatives.

  84. All of those witches hanged, drowned or burnt solely on the accusation of another woman MUST have been guilty.

    Lookimg at our parliaments make me think we didn’t get them all.

  85. thefrolickingmole

    Some researchers are getting shit for Christmas this year….
    RTWT
    https://www.city-journal.org/wind-power-is-not-the-answer

    Four days earlier, to much less fanfare, two Harvard researchers published a paper showing that trying to fuel our energy-intensive society solely with renewables would require cartoonish amounts of land. How cartoonish? Consider: meeting America’s current demand for electricity alone—not including gasoline or jet fuel, or the natural gas required for things like space heating and fertilizer production—would require covering a territory twice the size of California with wind turbines.


    “We found that the average power density—meaning the rate of energy generation divided by the encompassing area of the wind plant—was up to 100 times lower than estimates by some leading energy experts,”
    ….
    but their work demands attention for two other reasons: first, it uses real-world data, not models, to reach its conclusions, and second, it shows that wind energy’s power density is far lower than the Department of Energy, the IPCC, and numerous academics have claimed.

    Why the hardball tactics? Simple: rural residents stand between Big Wind and tens of billions of dollars in subsidies available through the Production Tax Credit. In September, Lisa Linowes, cofounder and executive director of the Industrial Wind Action Group, a New Hampshire-based nonprofit that tracks the wind industry, published an article on MasterResource.org. “The US Treasury estimates the PTC will cost taxpayers $40.12 billion in the period from 2018 to 2027,” Linowes wrote, “making it, by far, the most expensive energy subsidy under current tax law.

  86. calli

    Next Tuesday I’m in N’orleans. Looking at gators and ante-bellum plantations.

    I will interview the reptiles for all the good it will do.

  87. Ragu

    Full Metal Trump Derangement on CNN.

    Fuck that. If I’m gunna get my balls blown off for a word, that word is Poontang

  88. Dr Faustus

    Asylum-seeker families on Nauru are secretly being moved to Adelaide as the federal government bows to public pressure to remove children from immigration detention.

    Probably less ‘public pressure’ than the certain knowledge that the ALP/Greens are going to storm their Kerryn Phelps into a parliamentary motion that will be supported by Sharkie – and likely a few terrified Liberal waverers.

    The SloMo Government is floundering in its own blood and vomit with exactly the same desperation as the Gillard Last Days.

  89. Observation – Trump supporters are vewy, vewy quiet. The moment you make the slightest positive comment, they’re out of the woodwork. And there are a lot of them. The Dems – unbelievable loudmouths.

    So true.

  90. Ragu

    Full Metal Trump Derangement on CNN.

    F*ck that. If I’m getting my balls blown off for a word. That word is poontang

  91. jupes

    I don’t know, but it’s going to be a fun ride.

    You mean fun like the last two years?

    Excellent.

  92. dot, I responded to your reply on the OOT. Please post any reply here.

  93. Baldrick

    What the hell is Rush’s accuser wearing?If I was on the jury I’d vote against just for that clown outfit

    Notice in all the pics, attached to that piece, the only one’s smiling are the legal eagles. ☺$☺

  94. Ragu

    Full Metal Trump Derangement on CNN.

    Fuck that. If I’m going to get my [email protected] blown off for a word. That word is poontang.

  95. I would be prepared to listen to and believe a credible woman who accused Mueller of committing a Kavanaugh. But all there is to see is a couple of bumbling idiot males who tried to create a Kavanaugh situation with wads of cash and rank incompetence. They failed miserably.

  96. feelthebern

    monty, you’ve blown your load too soon.
    You need to wait for this new to be in the msm before your smother kicks in.
    Patience, young bull, says the old bull.

  97. thefrolickingmole

    I don’t know, but it’s going to be a fun ride.

    You are going to be so proud of your country. Because we’re gonna turn it around, and we’re gonna start winning again! We’re gonna win so much! We’re going to win at every level. We’re going to win economically. We’re going to win with the economy. We’re gonna win with military. We’re gonna win with healthcare and for our veterans. We’re gonna with every single facet.

    We’re gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you’ll say, “Please, please. It’s too much winning. We can’t take it anymore. Mr. President, it’s too much.” And I’ll say, “No, it isn’t!”

    We have to keep winning We have to win more! We’re gonna win more. We’re gonna win so much. I love you, Albany! Get out and vote. You will be so happy. I love you. Thank you. Thank you!

  98. Bruce of Newcastle

    Predictions: Anyone here apart from Monty predicting a blue wave?

    Prediction is hard, especially about elections. There’s a reason for it too.

    Hey pollsters, don’t call us, we’ll call you (29 Oct)

    A reader pointed out this line from a Power Line post: “I find it interesting that the Times/Siena had to call nearly 38,000 people to get 737 respondents.”

    The post was about the latest Senate polls in Arizona, Florida and Indiana.

    But the number that stood out was the number of calls they had to make to reach 737 people.

    I can see why 98% of the people called either didn’t answer or turned down the offer to answer a bunch of personal questions.

    Polls have slightly more credibility than New York Times but then again, so does Joe Isuzu. And this was a Times poll done by Siena. That would be a deal breaker for me.

    They had to ring almost 38,000 people to get just 737 respondents? And typically the balance of raw responders seems to be about 60:40 Democrat, which means pollsters have to make pretzel-like adjustments to the raw data.

    This is utter statistical fantasy. No wonder polls are all over the place.

  99. meeting America’s current demand for electricity alone—not including gasoline or jet fuel, or the natural gas required for things like space heating and fertilizer production—would require covering a territory twice the size of California with wind turbines.

    We have lotsa National Parks that we could cover with turbines and panels.

    Without any downsides we could cover all of South Australia!

  100. feelthebern

    Reading a trade rag.
    The ATO interrogated 2600 new SMSF applicants last financial year.
    Exactly what right does the ATO have to do that?
    Only was uncovered by Mr Bernardi at senate hearings last week.
    This should be the stuff the Libs should be fighting for.
    That is, of course if they weren’t a pack of statists like the ALP.

  101. Dr Faustus

    The only women quoted so far that I can see are those who rejected the GOP cash to lie about him.

    It’s still October.
    All over the US, men in MAGA caps and Mar-a-Lago tees are offering kitchen appliances and free cash to every woman who has ever known Bob Mueller to “just make up some weird shit about him – you know how it’s done“.

  102. thefrolickingmole

    Care to comment rakemeister grand flash?
    https://thehornnews.com/kavanaugh-accuser-cashes-out-nearly-1-million-payday/

    Ford is set to cash out nearly $1 million from crowd-funding efforts. In fact, Ford is still actively soliciting donations.

    She is also reportedly shopping around for a lucrative book deal with major publishers, Real Clear Investigations reported Monday.

  103. Tom

    I will interview the reptiles for all the good it will do.

    Don’t worry, Calli. It will be pointless interviewing the reptiles at New Orleans City Hall to get the story of the mid-terms. (PS: I bet there is plenty of Blexit going on in New Orleans’ downtown bars).

  104. Tailgunner

    If Mueller gets taken down by #metoo then this will surely be the most epic timeline we’ll ever see!
    Monty BTFO. Again.
    😀 😀

  105. pbw

    Last chance today to see Locke on SBS On Demand movies. It’s an extraordinary movie. I tried to interest Sinc in posting my rave about it, but he wasn’t interested. Maybe it was because my theme came from Camille Paglia: if it had been up to women, we’d still be living in grass huts.

  106. Speedbox

    If you’re born in the US, you are automatically both a US citizen and of the state where you are born.
    The winnable argument of course is that, this doesn’t mean parents of the child are conferred any rights to live in the US – only the kid has that right, I believe also expires at either 18 or 21, or so I believe.

    Many years ago a friend of mine and his wife (both Australian citizens) were in the US. He had the appropriate Visa and was working legally and his wife gave birth to their daughter whilst there. They all lived there for a further 3-4 years before returning to Australia. In a subsequent conversation I had with him, he mentioned that his daughter was ‘notionally’ a US citizen but she would have to ‘formalise’ her citizenship when she turned 21. Apparently, this was not a particularly difficult process under the circumstances (parents lawfully working in country at the time of her birth).

    Times may have changed but that is the guts of the conversation as I recall it.

  107. I would be prepared to listen to and believe a credible woman who accused Mueller of committing a Kavanaugh. But all there is to see is a couple of bumbling idiot males who tried to create a Kavanaugh situation with wads of cash and rank incompetence. They failed miserably.

    That happened to Kavanaugh’s accusers and their accomplices. They failed miserably. Blasey Ford and her lawyers didn’t even file a complaint with the local police. It was entirely ginned up for one purpose and as soon as that purpose failed she, poof, disappeared faster than Keyser Söze.

  108. C.L.

    Mueller should certainly step down.

  109. candy

    We’re gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you’ll say, “Please, please. It’s too much winning. We can’t take it anymore. Mr. President, it’s too much.” And I’ll say, “No, it isn’t!”

    Trump is charismatic, so witty. Other world leaders must envy him his style and confidence and humour and the fact that his supporters simply love him, as well as their economy looking good with unemployment record lows. Who would have thought Trump could be this.

  110. John Constantine

    Mandatory code of conduct for interactions between dairy processing factories and dairy farmers.

    Announced by federal ag minister today.

    Have the dairy factories been running their business like the banks were before the royal commission?.

  111. Mother Lode

    SloMo – worse than Turnbull.

    Slomo was Trumbles anointed successor – him holding off the spill vote until he could arrange it.

    Anyone who thought he would be an improvement can’t have been paying attention.

    Dutton at least would have been more likely to stoush – if not achieving much else.

  112. I am bespoke

    Elle
    #2853010, posted on October 31, 2018 at 7:45 am
    I should add, bespoke, I have never thought of Lizzie as rude or antagonistic.

    Elle I was being sarcastic but not about Tel, his and others constant logical reasoning is both rude and antagonistic.

  113. Ragu

    Many years ago a friend of mine and his wife (both Australian citizens) were in the US. He had the appropriate Visa and was working legally

    As per the constitution, they were subject to the jurisdiction as both parents were there legally.

    In a subsequent conversation I had with him, he mentioned that his daughter was ‘notionally’ a US citizen but she would have to ‘formalise’ her citizenship when she turned 21

    I thought it was 18, but they definitely have an opt-in system.

  114. Senile Old Guy

    Slomo was Trumbles anointed successor – him holding off the spill vote until he could arrange it. Anyone who thought he would be an improvement can’t have been paying attention.

    Yes. That Slomo is now PM shows how devoid of talent the Liberal Party are.

  115. pbw

    Hi Helen,

    Re: Brave

    I just tried with brave, but the format buttons don’t display at the top of the comment box for me. I’m on Mac High Sierra.

  116. C.L.

    Mark Latham told Alan Jones today that if Malcolm Turnbull had worked as hard for Dave Sharma as he is for the Indonesian foreign ministry, the Liberals might have retained Wentworth.

  117. I am bespoke

    A counter to monty’s earlier talking point. Not that I expect him to respond with anything more then “LOL’s” and “you lot’s”.

    FAKE NEWS ALERT: Correcting the ADL’s False Anti-Semitism Statistic. All reporters would have to do to see that the way the ADL has portrayed its study doesn’t match what the study itself says would to actually read the study, instead of just the press release. But they can’t be bothered to do that. Anti-Semitism, while low overall in the U.S., unites the left and right nutty fringes, from Farrakhan to Richard Spencer. A politically neutral, non-partisan watchdog is needed. The ADL under Abe Foxman, while far from perfect, was at least adequate in that role. Under Greenblatt, it’s become an arm of the Democratic Party.

    David Bernstein

  118. Confused Old Misfit

    Without any downsides we could cover all of South Australia!

    Supercilious eastern despoiler!
    Touch the Fleurieu Peninsula and I’ll unsex you!

  119. Mother Lode

    How did she know he wasn’t bringing a new and rather unpleasant slant to the character? It was rehearsals.

    The woman is a twit. But believe her! Because her eyes were shut but she just…knew.

    The fact the rest of the cast were laughing pretty strongly suggests it didn’t look like him being a pervert but he was acting some such thing.

    From my understanding there is a lot of horseplay in theatrical rehearsals. They can’t spend weeks getting to know each other so they have a way of overcoming barriers and, in spite of the image, actors in a production are very supportive of each other. They have to be. Each actor needs the whole cast to be doing a good job so they can do a good performance – no reviewer is going to write that A would have been good if B wasn’t such a bitch.

    Mind you, theatre people can be a bit loopy – who knows what is going through that woman’s head.

  120. Top Ender

    Indigenous street signs sat in a shed for five years
    EXCLUSIVE
    MICHAEL OWEN
    SA BUREAU CHIEF

    South Australia’s former Labor government spent more than $270,000 to allocate house block numbers and name roads in remot­e Aboriginal lands, but ­failed to install street signs.

    And a separate street-naming exercise in the remote community of Amata, one of the six main communities on the Anangu Pitjantjatj­ara Yankunytjatjara Lands, has descended into farce with signs erected 10 days ago after five years of delays now remove­d by disgruntled elders unhappy with the names.

    Amata, a community of about 500 people 1400km northwest of Adelaide near the Northern Territor­y border, became the first community on APY Lands to have street signs installed earlier this month. Regional Anangu Services Aboriginal Corporation general manager Mark Jackman said yesterday the Amata street signs had been sitting in a garage for at least five years.

    The previous state government had ordered the signs and had them delivered but “the big problem was that no one would put them in and there was no funding to put them in”. The corporat­ion recently took over the Community Development Program, a remote employment and community development service funded by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, which Mr Jackman saw as “a great opportunity to finally get those street signs in”.

    State and federal governments spend hundreds of million­s of dollars a year on the region, home to about 2200 peopl­e. Mr Jackman said yesterday he had become aware some trad­itional owners were unhappy with names on the street signs, despite them being Anangu names, and had removed them.

    “This was separate to the previou­s government’s program from two years ago; the Amata signs were made a number of years before that,” he said.

    “Now it has just surfaced that some of the older ladies are not entirely happy with the names. We’ll have to go and have a talk with them. They are Amata names, but we’re not really sure what the problem is until we have a meeting with them.”

    At the start of 2016, the previou­s Labor government completed a $272,000 program to allocate house block numbers and name 143 roads across all APY communities, covering about 100,000sq km.

    Copies of maps were distributed and red-dirt streets named using local landmarks and sites and also Aboriginal words for Australian animals. Officials and senior ministers said the project was about “ongoing recognition of Aboriginal communities in mainstream Australia”.

    But Mr Jackman said the projec­t stopped short of actually installing street signs on the APY Lands, despite the high cost of the 12-month project. “There was never any funding for the actual street signs,” he said.

    The state Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure did not comment.

    A spokesman for federal Indig­enous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion said the government supported CDP participants engaging in such projects, “delivered in accordance with community wishes”.

    Oz link

  121. A counter to monty’s earlier talking point.

    No it’s not, bespoke. The ADL study I linked to is different to that one.

  122. John Constantine

    Their andrews government will shut down the gippsland lakes net fishery when re elected

    Big Australia has made us so rich we don’t have to fish anymore, we will have our rations given to us instead.

  123. Ford is set to cash out nearly $1 million from crowd-funding efforts. In fact, Ford is still actively soliciting donations.

    She is also reportedly shopping around for a lucrative book deal with major publishers, Real Clear Investigations reported Monday.

    Monetizing a lie but not bothering to pursuing her allegation according to law.

  124. C.L.

    … theatre people can be a bit loopy – who knows what is going through that woman’s head.

    I do.
    It doesn’t look like I’m the next Naomi Watts.

  125. DrBeauGan

    It is a religion.

    Stop slandering religion.

    Of course, all religions are good. Well, maybe the Aztec rip your living heart out had a few unpleasant bits, but I’m sure it had a spiritual side. And sacrificing babies to Moloch was a tad icky, but if you could throw your own children into a furnace, it really, really showed the intensity of your faith, didn’t it? And faith is GOOD, we all know that. Then there were the thuggees in India. Who may be coming back, by the way. Then there was the worship of Cybele, who demanded her true believers castrate themselves. And then there’s Islam.

    No, no, we mustn’t slander religion. Obviously, worshipping the state and being a true believer in global warming is a different thing altogether.

  126. Jim Hoft, the dumbest man on the internet, is not fooled by these idiots trying to frame Mueller. But of course many Cats were.

  127. Rae

    Without any downsides we could cover all of South Australia!

    Supercilious eastern despoiler!
    Touch the Fleurieu Peninsula and I’ll unsex you!

    Too late. The Fleurieu already has windfarms.

  128. It is a religion.

    Stop slandering religion.

    Of course, all religions are good.

    I didn’t say all religions are good. I called out an intellectually lazy smear at a generalized target.

  129. Des Deskperson

    “Senior Technical Advisor
    GST Technical Product Leadership
    Indirect Tax
    Australian Taxation Office

    How could you get out of bed knowing that was your day job?”

    Maybe because of the pay?

    A ‘Senior Technical Advisor’ is at least an EL1, so at the moment, his annual base salary is at least $114.616. On 3 February, 2019, it will increase to $115,762!

  130. Dianeh

    Hi. Any Herald Sun subscribers?

    Has Andrew Bolt’s blog gone behind the paywall?

    I can see the page but now blogs.

  131. Dianeh

    Now should have been no blogs.

  132. Mitch M.

    Last chance today to see Locke on SBS On Demand movies. It’s an extraordinary movie. I tried to interest Sinc in posting my rave about it, but he wasn’t interested. Maybe it was because my theme came from Camille Paglia: if it had been up to women, we’d still be living in grass huts.

    Excellent movie that demonstrates how a good script, great acting and direction make for wonderful entertainment without all the Hollywood claptrap that we see these days.

  133. mh

    Apparently Kanye is angry about the false endorsement of the Blexit clothing line (Black Exit from Dems)

  134. Ragu

    At the start of 2016, the previou­s Labor government completed a $272,000 program to allocate house block numbers and name 143 roads across all APY communities, covering about 100,000sq km.

    A person in charge and maybe two others to gazette the roads with GPS.

    But Mr Jackman said the projec­t stopped short of actually installing street signs on the APY Lands, despite the high cost of the 12-month project. “There was never any funding for the actual street signs,” he said.

    Ok, fits in with this

    The previous state government had ordered the signs and had them delivered but “the big problem was that no one would put them in and there was no funding to put them in”

    This was separate to the previou­s government’s program from two years ago; the Amata signs were made a number of years before that,” he said.

    “Now it has just surfaced that some of the older ladies are not entirely happy with the names. We’ll have to go and have a talk with them. They are Amata names, but we’re not really sure what the problem is until we have a meeting with them.”

    A cynic might say that they have found a way to ensure that the Gubbermint doesn’t know where anyone lives.

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Ford is set to cash out nearly $1 million from crowd-funding efforts. In fact, Ford is still actively soliciting donations.

    She is also reportedly shopping around for a lucrative book deal with major publishers, Real Clear Investigations reported Monday.

    So she’s going to finish the novel she started? The one about an innocent girl whose whole life was ruined at one teenage party at an unknown time and place where she had one drink and met a man whom no-one could recall being there? That party, that imaginative plotline?

  136. Mitch M.

    Interesting documentary on the history of Israel and the creation of the Hebrew Bible. 2 hours

  137. Atoms for Peace

    I know of a town where the street signs are thin on the ground so as not to give the police an easy run when they are called in to deal with an offence.

  138. Cassie of Sydney

    “Dianeh
    #2853275, posted on October 31, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    Hi. Any Herald Sun subscribers?

    Has Andrew Bolt’s blog gone behind the paywall?

    I can see the page but now blogs.”

    Don’t bother, his blog has been infiltrated by GetUp and co.

  139. DrBeauGan

    I didn’t say all religions are good. I called out an intellectually lazy smear at a generalized target.

    If you haven’t noticed that there are common features of the religions I cited and leftism, you haven’t been paying attention. They have even copied the test of faith by disbelieving the plain evidence of your senses schtick. You believe that drinking something that tastes and smells like a sour red plonk is really the blood of Jesus Christ, and they believe that a man is really a woman because he says so. And inclusiveness.

    It’s all about faith.

  140. Speedbox

    I thought it was 18, but they definitely have an opt-in system.

    Quite possibly 18. The conversation I referred to was many years (20) ago. But you are right about the opt-in. She had to apply for her US citizenship to be recognised – it was not automatic.

  141. areff

    Has Andrew Bolt’s blog gone behind the paywall?

    Bolt’s down too. It’s News Corps Nerd Cadre, at it again. The only thing at which they excel is persuading upper managment they know what they’re doing.

  142. Arrgh.

    You Climate Change Infidels! QLD will be HOT this summer. Hotter than evah!
    Forget thermometers, they lie.

  143. I am bespoke

    Monty, you inferring all [email protected] is right-wing was not just wrong but also dishonest since are aware of Farrakhan.
    That was my point.

    Attaching [email protected] attacks with political attacks to boost numbers is just desperate.

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I had to drive through Balmain and Rozelle this morning. Erk. So many wispy haired old guys with what I call cardigan faces wearing sandals busy renewing their subscriptions to Get Up. There is a particular type, with miserable expressions signifying their loss of manhood and self-respect, driven to testosterone collapse by a diet deficient in meat and vitamin B12, fed on feminism as a toxic brew affecting the thinking processes and clutching at the straws of the climate apocalypse, because with Get Up as your Men’s Shed, you might as well die.

    That’s what it looks like from a drive by, anyway. I fled down the cross city tunnel and back to what is now home territory, where even though there are Balmain-type loonies here too, a liveable proportion of the heterosexual male population wants something else from life but endless bugman misery.

  145. Monty, you inferring all [email protected] is right-wing was not just wrong but also dishonest since are aware of Farrakhan.
    That was my point.

    I did not say all racists are right wing.

    All American racists who shot up synagogues lately are, though.

  146. .

    The ATO interrogated 2600 new SMSF applicants last financial year.
    Exactly what right does the ATO have to do that?

    Was it the ATO or the star chamber Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission?

    ATO? Tell them nothing.

    ACIC? Tell no one you were there besides your lawyer (and spouse) because that can constitute an offence.

  147. .

    Yes yes. A “crime” is what the State defines as a crime if we are talking about the law.

    Obviously telling someone the Australian Stasi interrogated you over a tax bill is not a crime in any moral sense.

  148. Atoms for Peace.

    Lizzie. Keeping up appearances with Getup would turn the good citizens of Balmain into a bunch of Richards. Quite sad.

  149. I’m predicting GOP to defy the historical norms and hold both Senate and Congress. Then it’s 🍿 time as the Dems eat each other – not a pretty sight.

    I disagree. I think it will be beautiful. And I will be cheering on both sides 😈

  150. mh from the old fred – yes, I know. I’m catching up.

    Doris Wise, the founder of “J*ws Can Shoot,” an offshoot of the former Children of J*wish Holocaust Survivors organization, told Breitbart News on Monday that the best response to Saturday’s synagogue shooting is for J*ws to arm themselves.

    Damn straight.
    When people realise that others can shoot back, they will become a damn sight more civil.

  151. Monetizing a lie but not bothering to pursuing her allegation according to law.

    She doesn’t deserve it, but really, neither do the donors.

  152. Rococo Liberal

    A ‘Senior Technical Advisor’ is at least an EL1, so at the moment, his annual base salary is at least $114.616. On 3 February, 2019, it will increase to $115,762!”
    Isn’t good then, that we in the law or accounting who deal with these people earn 2 or 3 times as much.
    That is why so many people leave the ATO and work for the accounting firms.

  153. I did not say all racists are right wing.

    All American racists who shot up synagogues lately are, though.

    Perfect wrongology is no big deal coming from you, Muttley. The shooter was rabidly anti-Trump 🙄

  154. Black Ball

    What odds Smiffy and Warner play the first Test?

  155. H B Bear

    Bolt’s down too. It’s News Corps Nerd Cadre, at it again.

    Rupe’s got his best guys from MySpace working on it.

  156. I am bespoke

    m0nty
    #2853291, posted on October 31, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    Monty, you inferring all [email protected] is right-wing was not just wrong but also dishonest since are aware of Farrakhan.
    That was my point.
    I did not say all racists are right wing.

    I did not say you did.

  157. bespoke, your belief of what I was inferring was incorrect.

  158. Black Ball

    Rupe’s got his best guys from MySpace working on it.
    https://youtu.be/Fdjf4lMmiiI

  159. .

    Good afternoon

    Mr DB

    No. The new QLD abortion laws reflect the continued incoherence of the law with respect to the child in utero. The law even before the current statute treated the child in utero in a manner wholly different from that of the child postpartum. You are not entitled to kill your 5-month-old tot for health or social reasons, but you are allowed to do so to your 5-month-old child in utero for the above. What gives? It’s not the special status of the mother that allows this, but the incoherence of the law relating to the child in utero.

    Like I said before I’m not defending the Queensland law. I disagree that the status of the woman is irrelevant. Remember what I said was if it wasn’t the basis of the law, it was how the law was argued for – the status of women. This is what I fear, having judgments about classes of people as a means to justify laws. It isn’t the new QLD law or even Zoe’s law I’m worried about. It is the trend in terms of legislative drafting, jurisprudence and political discourse. You’re arguing about being right and wrong. I am not; I am worried about a principle we know is right (rule of law) being eroded as I believe a trend is getting stronger.

    Sure, but the relevance of ‘self-awareness’ here is only that the mother might have herself contributed to the death of the child she was carrying, not merely the husband that ran her over. In fact, it might have been entirely her fault. You still haven’t presented anything that presents a complication. If the mother was carrying a tot in her arms when the husband ran her over the principles to be applied are entirely the same ones we would want to be applied in the instance in which she may have been carrying that child in her womb.

    Ipso facto that is a complication. Are you sure you want to literally apply these principles? This feels like a classic battle between the common law and equity. If a woman is run over and it is her fault (very difficult to prove legally as the presumption is that the driver is nearly always at fault) would you seriously prefer that she be charged with manslaughter if she survives and the child doesn’t? I don’t think we should make incompetence a crime. We’d be locking up a lot of doctors. Name your profession. More so, the assumptions in the law try to be rule-based, and authoritarianly-utilitarian. Even if the mother was morally and commonly understood to be at fault, in most cases, the father would still bear the legal liability.

    The vehicle-vehicle accident is different again.
    Different in what relevant sense? You’ve failed up to now to present any substantive difficulty with Zoe’s law.

    My difficulty is in that you wish for each additional life taken to be a separate offence, even in cases of negligence up to the point of reckless indifference. If there was no legislative guidance, a judge ought to rule that each act is an offence up to that point, not each life taken as a separate offence, consistent with the principles of common law on applying harsher sentences where there is no mens rea (take Texan common law [persuasive law for Australia] on the death penalty for vehicular manslaughter – it was deemed invalid). I’m still undecided if there should be a separate crime for a mother and an unborn child in cases of (sometimes criminal) negligence. It seems too harsh and unfair on the tortfeasor.

    It is interesting to think of the dynamics of the incentives created: motorbike riders would be at relatively more risk than families because of such a law, but drivers of cars full of passengers would probably be a little more reckless (on average).

  160. Pedro the Ignorant

    What odds Smiffy and Warner play the first Test?

    Smiff and Bancroft might get a look in. Been suitably penitent, and visiting sick kiddies in hospital etc, so all will be forgiven, and the sandpaper incident will never be spoken of again.

    Warner is a bogan, so he will be stuck in the Shield side at best until Hell freezes over.

  161. candy

    Let me guess, Candy wrote this nonsense?
    YEP!

    Dot, just because some sexism claims are dishonest, like I think the Christine Ford one is and she was just after attention and money, it does not mean they all are.

    That would be illogical, nonsensical. I am truly surprised you would think like that.

  162. .

    I’m not surprised at all candy that you are running interference for unbridled, unjustly vindictive feminism, the criminality of the US Democrats and the cause of progressive socialists.

    Not after all these years.

  163. feelthebern

    It was the ATO dot.
    People need to realise that if you get a call from the ATO, you need to tell them to contact your accountant.
    If you don’t have one, and it isn’t a hoax, you need to get one.
    The ATO is only interested in what they call small-fry, but we call the backbone of the economy.

  164. .

    feelthebern
    #2853312, posted on October 31, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    It was the ATO dot.
    People need to realise that if you get a call from the ATO, you need to tell them to contact your accountant.

    Interview…? For a job?

    No? Can I bring my lawyer?

    No?

    Then fuck off!

  165. feelthebern

    Do any Cats know if public service KPI’s are available to the public?
    Or do they have to be FOI’d?

  166. H B Bear

    What odds Smiffy and Warner play the first Test?

    Nil.

  167. feelthebern

    Dot, it only came out at Senate estimates because Corey Bernardi raised it.
    This should scare the living shit out of Australia.

  168. Bruce in WA

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #2853290, posted on October 31, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    I had to drive through Balmain and Rozelle this morning. Erk. So many wispy haired old guys with what I call cardigan faces wearing sandals busy renewing their subscriptions to Get Up. There is a particular type, with miserable expressions signifying their loss of manhood and self-respect, driven to testosterone collapse by a diet deficient in meat and vitamin B12, fed on feminism as a toxic brew affecting the thinking processes and clutching at the straws of the climate apocalypse, because with Get Up as your Men’s Shed, you might as well die.

    ;-D You go, grrrrrl! Luv it!

  169. feelthebern

    If a public servant is eligible for a bonus due to meeting KPI’s, those KPI’s should be available to the public.

  170. Black Ball

    One would hope Bear although wouldn’t surprise if Smiff was in

  171. iggie

    Maybe the Queensland Premier should have a look at this.
    ‘We have often noticed that in the tabular statements of those compilers of weather records who write to the Times, useful and welcome as their communications are, every season is sure to be “extraordinary,” almost every month one of the driest or wettest, or windiest, coldest or hottest, ever known. Much observation, which ought to correct a tendency to exaggerate, seems in some minds to have rather a tendency to increase it. And many seem now to regard three dry hot years in succession as betokening some general change of climate, as if it was not perfectly certain, in the wide range of the table of what we call chances, that with our existing conditions of climate such a combination must every now and then recur. ‘

    ‘IMAGINARY CHANGES OF CLIMATE.’ Printed on 10th January, 1871 in The Brisbane Courier.
    Things never change , do they?
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1298497/60952

  172. candy

    I don’t see how the shooter is right wing because he hated Joosh people who mostly identify with the right, as in the opposite of Islamic peoples who identify or are understood to be of the Left.
    Besides, some of Trump’s immediate family are Joosh people.

    The shooter would be considered a radical left person, anti Joosh, anti Trump. A psychopath first whose target of hatred was a right wing group.

  173. I am bespoke

    Iv been getting fake recorded calls from the ATO and reported them.

  174. feelthebern

    Iv been getting fake recorded calls from the ATO and reported them.

    If you have an accountant, you should never be called by the ATO.

  175. Diogenes

    A woman has been sentenced to 14 years in prison by a German court for killing four of her babies, which were found wrapped in towels and carrier bags in her attic flat.

    Göppner confessed via her lawyer during the trial to killing some of her babies, but said she could not remember how many. She said she had given birth to each of them at home, unaccompanied, and had wrapped each of them in a towel. As soon as a baby moved or cried, she suffocated it before placing its corpse in a plastic bag or box and hiding it in the flat.

    If only she had been in Qld

  176. jupes

    What odds Smiffy and Warner play the first Test?

    Fuck I hope so.

  177. areff

    I call cardigan faces wearing sandals

    I’m wearing a cardy and sandals this very moment. Lizzie, our relationship is at an end.

  178. C.L.

    Why would you want that pair of crying pansies in the team?

  179. Bruce of Newcastle

    All American racists who shot up synagogues lately are, though.

    Here you go M0nty.

    A Brief History of Leftist Political Violence in 1 Year

    Too many examples for me to reasonably summarize, you’ll have to RTWT. I’ll quote a couple of the final paragraphs though:

    Democrats and their media allies have sanctioned violence against Republicans. They’ve defended harassment and even assaults as activism. They have embraced and celebrated hate groups. The mob culture they have brought forth is fundamentally changing the rules of American politics.

    The mad toll of death threats and assaults, of shootings and harassment was unleashed by the Left. The hectoring media has made millions from it. Fortunes have poured into the war chests of radical Democrats. They can make it stop. Or they can go on feeding the beast while blaming conservatives.

    Written by a J-wish guy.

  180. Helen

    I just tried with brave, but the format buttons don’t display at the top of the comment box for me. I’m on Mac High Sierra.

    Thanks pbw, I have the format buttons, they all work <a href="http://except link.

    on brave

    The popup opens but wont let me paste the link into it. Ill have another scratch around and see what I can find to fix it. Brave is very thin on hints. And very hard to find answers.

  181. calli

    Are you wearing matching socks, areff?

    😜*

    * channels Geoffrey Rush

  182. C.L.

    Just like they denied wanting gay “marriage” a few years ago …

    Labor denies gender plan

    Bill Shorten has shut down reports a government he leads would erase gender from birth certificates and passports.

  183. jupes

    Why would you want that pair of crying pansies in the team?

    They are the two best batsmen in Australia and I like winning.

    I’m prepared to forgive them their pathetic sookiness for victory against India and Sri Lanka.

  184. areff

    Are you wearing matching socks, areff?

    My green socks spawned such adverse some time ago I have spurned them ever since. This makes it easier to keep your toenails trimmed, so it is energy-efficient and I can probably get a grant for that.

  185. I’m prepared to forgive them their pathetic sookiness …

    I’m not.

    When they have served out their ban, consider them for national selection in, say 20 years.

  186. feelthebern

    Maybe it’s time Australians were force fed the ALP at a federal level.
    I like the idea of Sally McManus deciding on what is fair & reasonable on the IR side of things.

  187. .

    This is a great interview, really chilling.

  188. Cassie of Sydney

    “Bruce of Newcastle
    #2853329, posted on October 31, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    All American racists who shot up synagogues lately are, though.

    Here you go M0nty.

    A Brief History of Leftist Political Violence in 1 Year”

    Daniel Greenfield…one of my favourites. Daniel also writes for FrontPage which is the online magazine run by David Horowitz, another of my favourites….Horowitz is also J*wish and knows the left very well, having grown up with communist parents and being very active in the hard left until the early 1970’s….his motto is…

    “INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT”

  189. .

    “INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT”

    Who’s side are you on son? Get with Colonel. Soros for the big win.

  190. Tailgunner

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    The Stock Market is up massively since the Election, but is now taking a little pause – people want to see what happens with the Midterms. If you want your Stocks to go down, I strongly suggest voting Democrat. They like the Venezuela financial model, High Taxes & Open Borders!
    11:33 PM – Oct 30, 2018

  191. Makka

    Seven times, 7 , the FBI has investigated Kavanaugh to find zip, zilch, nothing , zero.

    And like a stupid fkwit leftard you are still trying to spin the BK serial rapist bs. Even after key “witnesses” have since recanted. There are no depths too deep for your idiocy, mOron.

  192. Makka

    Seven times, 7 , the FBI has investigated Kavanaugh to find zip, zilch, nothing , zero.

    And like a stupid fkwit leftard you are still trying to spin the BK serial r*pist bs. Even after key “witnesses” have since recanted. There are no depths too deep for your idiocy, mOron.

  193. I am bespoke

    feelthebern
    #2853324, posted on October 31, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    It was a fake call, recorded and saying it was my last chance but showing the number starting with 02 did trip me up for a few seconds.

  194. Des Deskperson

    ‘Do any Cats know if public service KPI’s are available to the public?
    Or do they have to be FOI’d?’

    In the APS, individual KPI’s would normally be set out in individual performance agreements . These are not made public. I can’t recall whether they are officially staff in confidence, but if you tried FOI, that might be the agency’s first line of response.

    Broader agency wide KPIs could be found in annual reports.

    Performance bonuses are now rare in the APS, but they are not and never have been made public. In the ATO, only the Second Commissioners – the top jobs – are eligible for performance pay under guidelines as determined by the Remuneration Tribunal. Other ATO SES and non SES staff do not receive performance bonuses. The ATO annual report does not provide any information on whom among the Second Commissioners received performance pay, nor how much they received.

    Performance bonuses, like any other element of public spending. ought, of course, to be as transparent as possible. Despite this, when performance pay was more general in the APS, management went to great lengths to keep the performance bonus outcomes secret, both internally and externally. The fact that senior management was unwilling to be open on this issue was one of the reasons why the bonus system became so unpopular.

  195. 2dogs

    I see that Tommy Robinson is scheduled to appear alongside Gavin McInnes on his tour later this year.

    From my understanding of immigration law, it seems highly unlikely that Tommy Robinson will be allowed to join this tour. Those criminal convictions (even though they were mostly stitch-ups) will mean he is likely to fail the character test.

  196. Shy Ted

    Delighted to hear about the Nauru invasion of Adelaide. Another LINO government. So I “Bing”ed “Adelaide where muslims live” and found I am a Pakistani Muslim and migrating to Adelaide. Could you let me know organization and Muslim community in Adelaide and best areas for Muslim to live. in Yahoo Answers. One response is “The best area for a Muslim to live is Afganistan, why are u all coming here to live in Western Culture and with Christians when you dont even like us?”
    So I asked some local cows what they thought of this news

  197. Makka

    I said Scummo would cave.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who has faced unrest from within his own party over the issue, yesterday said the number of asylum seeker children on Nauru had “halved” in the past nine weeks.

    Founder of Welcome to Australia advocacy group pastor Brad Chilcott told ABC Radio Adelaide that several families had arrived in Adelaide in recent weeks.

  198. Myrddin Seren

    Dude from Symantec buys some second-hand voting machines to study, so he can create hacking scenrios for the troops.

    I BOUGHT USED VOTING MACHINES ON EBAY FOR $100 APIECE. WHAT I FOUND WAS ALARMING

    Shorter: First ones he bought – bad security.

    Comes back a couple of years later for newer model:

    To my dismay, I discovered that the newer model machines—those that were used in the 2016 election—are running Windows CE and have USB ports, along with other components, that make them even easier to exploit than the older ones.

    I am guessing this is a feature – not a bug – in certain electoral districts….?

    ( h/t SDA )

  199. The mad toll of death threats and assaults, of shootings and harassment was unleashed by the Left.

    Mmyes Bruce, that totally negates Trump inspiring that dude to shoot up a synagogue and massacre a bunch of praying pensioners.

  200. OldOzzie

    Tasmanian MP Sarah Courtney stripped of ministry over relationship

    Tasmania’s primary industries minister has been stripped of the portfolio after revealing she was in a relationship with her departmental head.

    Liberal MP Sarah Courtney stood down from ministerial responsibilities on October 16 after informing the government of her relationship with John Whittington.

    An independent review released on Wednesday found Ms Courtney should have disclosed the relationship about a month earlier, but described the ministerial code of conduct breach as “minor”.

    “I have counselled Ms Courtney about the need for ministers to apply strict personal responsibility in regards to complying with the code,” Premier Will Hodgman said.

    All of Ms Courtney’s decisions as minister followed appropriate protocols and procedures, the investigation found.

    There was no evidence Mr Whittington breached the state service code of conduct. He will continue as secretary for the Department of Primary Industries, Parks, Water and Environment.

    Ms Courtney has been appointed minister for resources, as well as building and construction.

    Guy Barnett has taken her primary industries portfolio.

  201. Death Giraffe

    Mmyes Bruce, that totally negates Trump inspiring that dude to shoot up a synagogue and massacre a bunch of praying pensioners.

    ..
    Liar, liar pants on fire.

  202. Makka

    mUnty :

    Mmyes Bruce, that totally negates Trump inspiring that dude to shoot up a synagogue and massacre a bunch of praying pensioners.

    Idiot mOron. Wrong again. The killer Bowers was anti-Trump:

    He has been a vocal critic of Donald Trump
    Mr Bowers said on Gab.com that US President Donald Trump was a “globalist” who did nothing to stop the “infestation” of the United States by Joowish people.

    “For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a MAGA hat,” he wrote.

  203. Death Giraffe

    Monty.
    I want you to watch all Trump’s speeches back to back so you can give us your critique of him well informed.
    Get back here once you have.

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    Still waiting for M0nty’s denunciation of leftist violence.

  205. Bowers was ticked off at Trump for not being racist enough. But he sure loved Trump’s embrace of the migrant caravan story, didn’t he? It wouldn’t have been a thing if Trump hadn’t amplified it. Trump is implicated.

  206. Makka

    You’re full of shit mUnty, as usual.

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Founder of Welcome to Australia advocacy group pastor Brad Chilcott told ABC Radio Adelaide that several families had arrived in Adelaide in recent weeks.

    Adelaide? What’s wrong with Wentworth?

  208. Bruce of Newcastle

    While on the topic, following on from Cassie’s recommendation here is David Horowitz’s latest article from FPM.

    A Florida Lynching & A Broken Friendship (30 Oct)

    Obviously “fake news” is much too kind a description of the openly partisan press corps whose one-time journalists are now pursuing careers as professional character assassins. The same politics of personal destruction is also the staple of many campaigns by Democratic Party candidates. None more so than in the state of Florida, where a full-fledged public lynching of Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis is in progress. His opponent, racial demagogue Andrew Gillum, calls every accusation of incompetence and corruption in his tenure as Tallahassee mayor as a “racist attack” because he is black. There could hardly be a more classic example of such demagoguery than this Gillum statement, “Now, I’m not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist. I’m simply saying the racists believe he’s a racist.”

    I am one of those “racists” to whom Gillum is referring, perhaps even the primary one. A poor choice, one would think, since I have a public record stretching over 56-years since the publication of my first book, in which I have promoted equal rights for all Americans regardless of race or national origin.

    The evil unleashed by the Left and championed by the MSM is appalling and disgusting. Horowitz’s description of losing a friend because of leftist insanity is poignant. We live in an age of religious fanaticism – the Green-Left religion is going full jihad. God help us all.

  209. jupes

    Compare and contrast:

    Megyn Kelly sacked for “racism”. These are her exact words:

    “You do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface for Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid, that was okay just as long as you were dressing as a character.”

    And just to show how vile a racist she is, here is what she said five years ago:

    Kelly has a history of making inflammatory comments. In 2013, she went on air declaring that Santa Claus and Jesus were both white men.

    Meanwhile in Indonesia, Malcolm Turnbull says this about the possibility of moving Australia’s Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem:

    “There’s no question that were that move to occur, it would be met with a very negative reaction in Indonesia,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “This is after all the largest majority Muslim country in the world so we have to be very clear-eyed about that.

    Why would Indonesia care where we establish our embassy in a country on the other side of the world? Could it be a rational analysis of the actions of the Israelis compared to the actions of the Palestinians? Or is it that being Muslim, they are just expected to be against J*ws and anything that supports even the existence of Israel?

    On the one hand we accept shame and punishment for a white person for non-racist, utterly benign and truthful remarks. On the other hand we give casual acceptance of genuine, vile racism on a national level.

    What a sick world.

  210. thefrolickingmole

    that totally negates Trump inspiring that dude to shoot up a synagogue and massacre a bunch of praying pensioners.

    Thats a blatant lie.

    The shooter was inspired by what, Trumps daughter marrying and converting to the religion?

    Have you no shame?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/29/donald-trump-robert-bowers-racist-anti-semitic-synagogue-shooting-column/1800755002/

    But actual Nazis disagree. Bowers was explicit in his dislike of the president, saying he did not vote for him and had never “owned, worn or even touched” a Make America Great Again hat. Challenging the news media narrative that President Trump praised Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, Bowers agreed with another extremist that the president had “betrayed” right-wing radical protesters by “comparing them with a violent mob.”
    When Trump said he was a “nationalist” at a Texas rally last week, the left exploded with the usual Hitler-this and dog-whistle-that criticisms. Bowers made clear that from the extremist point of view, the president is not a nationalist but a “globalist” controlled by a Jewish conspiracy.

  211. Ragu

    Tasmania’s primary industries minister has been stripped of the portfolio after revealing she was in a relationship with her departmental head.

    There is a Primary Industry down here?

    As far as I can tell, there is a bunch of hobbyists breeding cattle until someone sez ‘well, you’re a bit over stocked for your land size’

    And all the abbotoirs have gone. It’s all fish pens and over priced whiskey.

  212. Robber Baron

    It’s election time here in the sleepy green sludge electorate of Northcote. The electorate that once graced the economic illiterate and Kirner Treasurer Tony Sheehan, the ABC TV scrag no one ever saw Mary Delahunty, the Labor woman that died last year that was as hard left as Stalin and is now represented by the White Abbo Woman (WAW) Lidia who has taken out all the Australian flags from her office and replaced them with Abbo ones.

    So far, the ALP have done a good job in putting lots of yard boards about with their representative being the daughter of one traditional owners of the ALP here, yes that’s right, she’s a Theophanous. The Green’s WAW has got her green T-shirted brigade in her campaign office every day and night doing stuff plus lots of yard boards about. The beta male from the Socialist Alliance has already done a letter box drop and has a few yard boards out. Nothing from the Liberals or AC so far.

    It’s a battle between fake abbos and nepotism…who will win?

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I’m wearing a cardy and sandals this very moment. Lizzie, our relationship is at an end.

    Oh noes. Is your hair all wispy too? Look, I have a solution.

    1. Off to a restaurant for a quick steak injection.
    2. Off to the barber and ask for a number 2 clip all over head.
    3. If it must be a cardy, get something interesting.

    Nup. Can’t do 3. I’ve looked at NeimanMarcus and you really can’t be seen dead in any of these

    Areff, your shining personality and lovely face will doubtless carry the day when we do that blind date. 🙂

    ps. I am writing a review of Anne de Courcy’s ‘The Husband Hunters: Social Climbing in London and New York’. It relates to the period 1874 to 1905 when British peers sought young American heiresses to redress the family fortunes. Unless memory fails, Lord Cardigan himself might be in there somewhere. I think he got away with one. A cardigan, that is. And probably an heiress too.

  214. Cassie of Sydney

    The Geoffrey Rush defamation trial is getting very interesting…

    “Under cross-examination, Norvill admitted she invited Rush to her 2015 Christmas party. “He asked if he could come and I said yes,’’ she said.

    This contradicts evidence she gave yesterday, when she was asked why she didn’t invite him. She became tearful and replied: “Because I didn’t want him to meet my family. He wasn’t my friend anymore.’’”

    Norvill is pathetic.

    Modern feminism….an absolute joke.

  215. Shy Ted

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.#2853290, posted on October 31, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    I had to drive through Balmain and Rozelle this morning.

    Funny post, Lizzie. 1986 was the year Oz welcomed me from the old country to work at a hospital in Rozelle. Was expecting this. Found this. Can’t think why Oz wanted a blond-haired, blue-eyed single male in 1986.

  216. Ragu

    Don’t get me wrong, Tassie is a great place for primary industry, and done properly we could all make a lot of money.

    Unfortunately jumping through those hurdles will give a person a suicidal migraine.

  217. H B Bear

    The idiocy is strong today.

  218. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ps. I am writing a review of Anne de Courcy’s ‘The Husband Hunters: Social Climbing in London and New York’

    I’d be interested in reading your review, Lizzie B – I did enjoy that book.

    Lord Cardigan was married twice, but I can’t find anything about either of his wives being American.

  219. Snoopy

    m0nty
    #2853366, posted on October 31, 2018 at 3:17 pm
    Bowers was ticked off at Trump for not being racist enough. But he sure loved Trump’s embrace of the migrant caravan story, didn’t he? It wouldn’t have been a thing if Trump hadn’t amplified it. Trump is implicated.

    Faced with the prospect of the much vaunted blue wave, Monty goes full nasty. I’d expect him to be in better humour. Curious.

  220. Robber Baron

    Bill Shorten has shut down reports a government he leads would erase gender from birth certificates and passports.

    Being a man that has a christian name that is used by both men and women, I would like to not be hassled at an airport by border immigration and explain that my name is masculine as well as feminine. I often get emails addressed to Ms Baron.

    I may have to change my name at some stage during the Shorten Reich.

  221. Shy Ted

    Dear Tony Abbott, recently you asked us all to unite behind new PM Scott Morrison. No. The man shall be judged by his actions and so far he’s a F. For Fail. Trumble to Bali? No. $15bn for renewables? No. Secret relocations from Nauru to Adelaide? No. Shall I go on?

  222. Hay Stockard

    Lizzie,
    Bit hard on the boys and girls in blue with their cardies.

  223. pbw

    A rave about Locke
    On SBS On Demand movies until the end of October only.
    Locke is a construction manager on a major project in a city north of London. He is played by Tom Hardy with the vocal caress of a Welsh accent.
    From a construction site at night, Locke drives off. At a red he indicates left. The light changes. He sits. Horns start to blare. Still he sits. Then he switches to right and takes off. Everything flows from that decision. For the rest of the movie he is in the car, heading for London, as the multiple strands of his situation are revealed through his conversations. There is not a moment to relax in this movie. To say any more about the plot would be to give too much away.
    Camille Paglia says that if it had been up to women, we would still be living in grass huts. She would see this film as an illustration of that adage. The women in the movie cannot comprehend Locke. Most women who see it probably will not comprehend him either. Hopefully, most men can and will. If you come to Locke expecting Tom Hardy as a champion, you will not be disappointed. But he is a moral champion, even, or especially, in defeat. While the choreographed violence so common in movies, including Tom’s, appeals to the adolescent fantasies of even old men like me, some of the fictional heroism of Locke is an example that all men are challenged to follow, but that few do.
    Before Jordan Peterson rose to prominence, before Brexit, before Trump, there was Locke. It was made in 2013. It is a film for men, about a man. It is about virtue, commitment, and the building of civilisation. As such, it flies in the face of the seemingly irresistible forces tearing civilisation apart; which makes it another green shoot of the stirring of renewal.
    At one point, he is trying to persuade a colleague to take some important action.

    You do it for the piece of sky we are stealing with our building; you do it for the air that will be displaced; and most of all, you do it for the f’ing concrete, because it’s as delicate as blood.

    You have one viewing night to go. See it. For the concrete.

  224. thefrolickingmole

    bloody birdstrike…

    that totally negates Trump inspiring that dude to shoot up a synagogue and massacre a bunch of praying pensioners.

    Thats a blatant lie.

    The shooter was inspired by what, Trumps daughter marrying and converting to the religion?

    Have you no shame?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/29/donald-trump-robert-bowers-racist-anti-semitic-synagogue-shooting-column/1800755002/

    But actual Nazis disagree. Bowers was explicit in his dislike of the president, saying he did not vote for him and had never “owned, worn or even touched” a Make America Great Again hat. Challenging the news media narrative that President Trump praised Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, Bowers agreed with another extremist that the president had “betrayed” right-wing radical protesters by “comparing them with a violent mob.”
    When Trump said he was a “nationalist” at a Texas rally last week, the left exploded with the usual Hitler-this and dog-whistle-that criticisms. Bowers made clear that from the extremist point of view, the president is not a nationalist but a “globalist” controlled by a J**ish conspiracy.

  225. Confused Old Misfit

    Too late. The Fleurieu already has windfarms.

    One. With about half a dozen turbines.
    Thanks to a$$holes like you.

  226. Bowers made clear that from the extremist point of view, the president is not a nationalist but a “globalist” controlled by a J**ish conspiracy.

    Bowers was directly inspired by Trump’s support for the conspiracy theory that Soros was funding the migrant caravan. This is indisputable.

  227. thefrolickingmole

    Facechooking.

    Attended a chap who has almost certainly fractured his ankle (off work), wrapped him up, pain relief etc and hes going to be driven out.
    As a last thing to do Ive gone to our storage, climber onto the stepladder and grabbed a couple of crutches for him.

    Ive then had the ladder go sideways dropped about 200cm and felt my own ankle go “pop”.
    RICE etc but theres a little hiccup.

    Ive been only medic here for some time, without a medic the place cant operate. Head office has emus flying out their arse trying to find a temp (after dithering for months to find a permanent) so the place stays open while I head out for some scans.

    All fun, and at least we have one of those great “2 thumbs up” 2 injured people pics in the surgery.

    You have to laugh.

  228. If you haven’t noticed that there are common features of the religions I cited and leftism, you haven’t been paying attention. They have even copied the test of faith by disbelieving the plain evidence of your senses schtick. You believe that drinking something that tastes and smells like a sour red plonk is really the blood of Jesus Christ, and they believe that a man is really a woman because he says so.

    LOL. No one believes that that the body and blood of Christ is present in the Eucharist under the appearances of bread and wine without first believing that God exists, that Christ is God and that he told his disciples that whenever they broke bread and drank wine in his name he was with them, literally. Those who first heard this received it as a ‘hard’ saying but they were disabused of their skepticism by their senses in part. The man that said it to them on Thursday and was crucified and died on Friday, appeared to them on the third day. These same men that were doubtful Thursday would later prefer martyrdom rather than deny him. It’s interesting though that the first two disciples should say that they only recognized him at the breaking of the bread, not as he approached, not even as he spoke them, but only as they sat down together to share a meal.

  229. RobK

     This is indisputable
    I dispute that.

  230. Dr Fred Lenin

    Just a suggestion how about we have an RC into the financial status of retired politicians and senior public servants , and the sources of their wealth? I nominate Rafe as commissioner and Dot as counsel assisting the comssioner ,I am sure this idea will gain support from all wings of the national gangrene lieboral psrty and the publi service union n as they are well known for their spirit off altruism and co operation for the public good

  231. Dr Faustus

    QandA Special next Thursday, 8:30. Malcolm Turnbull answers the big questions.

    Shorten in priapic heaven..

  232. DrBeauGan

    Kelly has a history of making inflammatory comments. In 2013, she went on air declaring that Santa Claus and Jesus were both white men.

    Surely not. Santa, maybe, but Jesus was brown.

    Maybe she was thinking that God is an Englishman. So nineteenth century. He’s obviously an Australian.

  233. Fred

    I look forward to ALPs gender plan.

    I’m tipping a a few ‘women’ might start complaining about be sent to ‘male’ prisons.

  234. jupes

    Bowers was directly inspired by Trump’s support for the conspiracy theory that Soros was funding the migrant caravan. This is indisputable.

    Bollocks on stilts. You just made that up.

  235. Confused Old Misfit

    theory that Soros was funding the migrant caravan. This is indisputable.

    Have you spoken to Uncle George about that?

  236. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I was thinking of Lizzie the trouble maker

    Oi! Moi? And here I am offering fashion advice for free.
    How is that trouble making? No gratitude, some of yous.

    As for Lord Cardigan, I am probably mistook.
    Only just decided to review it, read it months ago.
    Light relief from King Arthur.

  237. max

    Morrison gives way to leftist idiots who would rather die than give him their vote and does it secretly so the rest of us don’t find out. Ha ! Way to go, SloMo.

  238. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Malcolm Turnbull answers the big questions.

    Now that is a real termite at work.
    ABC lapping it up, of course.

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