Monday Forum: November 5, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    I have to agree with Candy, sorry.
    You don’t refer to Asian people as “slanty-eyed” on a mainstream talk show. It’s just stupid. I have no sympathy for Cameron – a verbose, manic, low wattage imbecile.

  2. cohenite

    That’s another one or at least combination of words: islam and goat-fuckers.

  3. Tel

    How the hell do you illegally import 9.5 million cigarettes?

    Oh THAT’S where they got to! Woha, is my face red?

  4. Snoopy

    Hillel Neuer
    @HillelNeuer
    Pakistan caves in to the mob: as thousands of Islamists call for murder of judges & paralyze the country to protest acquittal of Christian woman accused of blasphemy, Imran Khan’s government bars Asia Bibi from exiting the country. Pakistan sits on the UN Human Rights Council.

    No, they’re not ‘Islamists’. They’re just bog-standard Paki Muslims.

  5. Shy Ted

    Sorry, Q&A average person . Don’t go to the gallery.

  6. Death Giraffe

    They are just words CL.
    No one was hurt.
    Blasphemy and speech codes. Now run by the left.
    That continues to work out swell.
    Meanwhile, children can access online the most degrading shit known to man.
    Meanwhile the art galleries are full of tinned turds and crucifixes in buckets of piss.
    Meanwhile a major clothing brand is named “fuck” but with the middle letters reversed. How daring and clever.
    Meanwhile a rental company spray paints it’s vans with references to sex acts.
    I am not a prude, but I do want my child to have an actual childhood

  7. Death Giraffe

    Not to forget: every day academia and media continue a racist dirge about white men.
    Not in irony or jest. But real actual hate.
    That’s going to end well for everyone.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    SA could do with bit of this energy.

    The first direct observation of gravitational waves captured the merging of 2 black holes

    Two black holes called Labor and Liberal are already orbiting each other in Sth Australia.
    They’ll merge eventually.

  9. Nick

    What a strange world we live in where an airline that promotes gay marriage is applauded, but another that acknowledges service personnel, is roundly mocked. By the same people.

  10. feelthebern

    Niall Ferguson & Stephen Fry both giving it to Australia.
    The Festival of Dangerous Ideas have been a tad quiet on the comments from their two headline speakers.

    https://twitter.com/nfergus/status/1059348569063251969?s=11

  11. Top Ender

    I dunno about that Iran aircraft fightey thing.

    Commentators reckon 1960s F-5 but I reckon there’s a touch of Starfighter there too.

  12. stackja

    November 03, 2018
    Senate Judiciary Committee Releases Summary of Investigation from Supreme Court Confirmation
    414-Page Report Concludes No Evidence to Support Allegations Against Justice Kavanaugh

    WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is releasing a summary report on the committee majority’s investigation of misconduct allegations presented during the confirmation process of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

    “The revelation of last minute allegations tested the committee in many ways. But these investigative efforts rose to the occasion and were critical to helping us obtain the truth. This was a serious and thorough investigation that left no stone unturned in our pursuit of the facts,” Grassley said. “In the end, there was no credible evidence to support the allegations against the nominee.”

    The summary report and its exhibits amount to 414 pages. Committee investigators spoke with 45 individuals and took 25 written statements relating to the various allegations made in the course of the Supreme Court confirmation process. In neither the committee’s investigation nor in the supplemental background investigation conducted by the FBI was there any evidence to substantiate or corroborate any of the allegations.

    The full text of the summary report can be found HERE.

    2018-11-02 Kavanaugh Report.pdf

    Committee Conclusions
    The Committee found no verifiable evidence to support Swetnick’s allegations. Indeed,
    the evidence appears to support the position that Julie Swetnick and Mr. Avenatti criminally conspired to make materially false statements to the Committee and obstruct the Committee’s investigation. Accordingly, the Committee referred both to the Department of Justice and FBI for investigation and potential violations of 18 U.S.C. § 371, § 1001, and § 1505 on October 25, 2018.
    In addition, on October 26, 2018, the Committee made a second criminal referral against Michael Avenatti to the Justice Department and FBI for investigation of potential violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1001 (knowingly providing materially false statements) and 1505 (obstruction of a congressional investigation), based upon the NBC story that evidenced that Mr. Avenatti may have fabricated allegations by a second declarant. 68

  13. Death Giraffe

    It’s a that car again:


  14. Mitch M.

    Two black holes called Labor and Liberal are already orbiting each other in Sth Australia.
    They’ll merge eventually.

    Speaking of which I just watched:

  15. Roger

    Pakistan caves in to Muslim mobs – refuses Asia Bibi permission to leave country

    Imran Khan: once a playboy cricketer, now an appeaser of Muslim mobs.

    Note well how easily the fabled moderate Muslim is brought to heel by his more devout co-religionists.

  16. feelthebern

    PM gives a decent opening monologue.

  17. feelthebern

    Crikey.
    Georgina Downer & Janine Perrett both on PM Live tonight.
    Time to change the channel.

  18. stackja

    The phrase from USA Senate report “In the weeks leading up to Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s Senate confirmation vote on October 6, 2018, investigators from the United States Senate Committee” does not appear in original Google search but later search
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    link to Internet Archive Search which only gives torrent link.
    The phrase appears twice in duckduckgo

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    In the weeks leading up to Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s Senate confirmation vote on October 6, 2018, investigators from the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary (“Committee”) diligently pursued all relevant allegations made against the nominee.
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    Kavanaugh redux: Grassley wants DOJ to investigate Kavanaugh …
    In the weeks leading up to Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s Senate confirmation vote on October 6, 2018, investigators from the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary (“Committee”) diligently pursued all relevant allegations made against the nominee.
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    MSM/Dems covering up? Yes. I know the answer.

  19. Old Lefty

    Is anyone else puzzled that Ms Milligan can still be spreading her poison about the Defendant Who Cannot Be Named, soliciting expressions of heated agreement (anything else will be blocked in best ABC style), and that the Melbourne Prize for Literature (for pulp fiction?) can be promoting it? If that isn’t creating an atmosphere of prejudice, I don’t know what is.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/milliganreports/status/1039682397334171648

    Perhaps Chief Justice Kidd can explain on Four Corners tonight while he’s campaigning for the re-election of the Hunchback.

  20. Hay Stockard

    I look forward to the ARU imploding as did Cricket Australia. The ARU has fucked over its base big time. We have a squad of overpaid easy beats. Grass roots rugby has to pay for these Nancy boys. And that is the players. The administration is an old boys rort andmhas been for some time.
    I’ll,watch club rugby if it is near where I’m passing. Close to the game, encouraged the drink beer, what’s,not to like? The Shute Shield did well on telly.
    Rugby Australia? What a,pack of stinkers.

  21. Bdf

    Two of the Kavanaugh accusers have admitted they were lying. Where is the resident wrongologist who was crowing believe all women now. Got a tip for the race tomorrow?

  22. Van Fatbag is a late ring in on qanda.

  23. zyconoclast

    U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel

    “In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent,” the report stated. “Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching.”

  24. Old School Conservative

    Hay, I wonder if the Alan Jones/Brett Papworth/Bob Dwyer grassroots movement will be the vehicle which precipitates that implosion. Something has to happen and this is the best idea going around.

    Interesting to note that the author of that wonderful and influential coaching manual of many years ago, Dick Marks, is also associated with the insurrection.

  25. Zatara

    The French Quarter has lost its charm in the rain. Hopefully it will regain it tomorrow.

    calli, you have no idea how fortunately timed that rainstorm was for you.

    The bouquet of Bourbon Street in the dead of summer could knock a buzzard off a shit wagon as they say in the south.

    Le Bon Temps Roule!

  26. Shy Ted

    The sage speaks. Surprisingly for The Guardian there are lots of negative comments.

  27. DrBeauGan

    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.

  28. DrBeauGan

    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.

    It should put paid to any idea all dzhws are beyond criticism.

  29. zyconoclast
    #2857390, posted on November 5, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    Zyco, that video is going on seven years old, and was made by the Israeli equivalent of the Chasers, only even less funny. A bunch of unfunny secular atheists. It was soundly condemned by most locals at the time, as it would be there today.

  30. C.L.

    Melbourne University [email protected]
    Congratulations to @Milliganreports —she’s been selected as a finalist in the Best Writing Award for @MelbournePrize for Literature!

    So the Melbourne Prize Trust is ignoring Judge Kidd’s suppression order and openly campaigning for the conviction of George P-ll.

  31. C.L.

    And yes, writing P-ll is now banned at Catallaxy.

  32. DrBeauGan

    , that video is going on seven years old, and was made by the Israeli equivalent of the Chasers, only even less funny.

    That’s not much of an excuse, MV. Sure, it’s a minority view, a tiny minority no doubt. But it shows that there are some nasty shits living in Israel.

    This is hardly a surprise, there are nasty shits everywhere, except to anyone who thinks that doesn’t hold for dzhwz.

  33. That’s not much of an excuse, MV

    I’m not making an excuse, bogan, I’m stating a chronological fact.

  34. zyconoclast

    And there are more Muslims now running for office, hoping to be part of a “blue wave.” In Minnesota, nine Muslims are on the ballot for state, federal and local offices.

    “Many candidates running for office are using Islamophobia as a means to get to political power. That is absolutely un-American,” Zaman said. “The community is under assault. Fortunately, most of us are beginning to wake up.”

  35. DrBeauGan

    I’m not making an excuse, bogan, I’m stating a chronological fact.

    Unless you are claiming that there has been a massive change in those people’s attitudes in seven years, MV, it’s a chronological fact that is totally irrelevant.

  36. JC

    Oh, Look who’s back. The culler.

  37. Unless you are claiming that there has been a massive change in those people’s attitudes

    So you agree with Zyco.
    Fair enough.
    Duly noted.

  38. Top Ender

    U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel

    What a future.

    If you’re white (and better-off) that some country with non-whites then you must pay.

    And pay.

    Forever.

  39. Oh, Look who’s back. The culler.

    Oh, look who’s still here – like a bad smell.
    The arrogant, pig-ignorant little prick who was too gutlesss to take what he reckoned was sure-fire bet for $10,000, and instead wanted to change it to a bet on the thickness of orange peel or some such. Been quoting from a mag put out by an affiliate group of Socialist International ever since.

  40. Oh, look who’s still here – like a bad smell.

    Of course, that’s in between claiming I reckoned the moon landings were faked. All total BS, of course, but who knows, somebody might eventually believe it.

  41. Zatara

    U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel

    So what does that UN panel say about the approximately 40 million slaves being kept today around the world?

    Come to think of it, how many members on that panel are from slave keeping states?

  42. JC

    There’s really no adequate response to someone like you, Faultfuck. It’s bad people have to share to same oxygen as you. You should be in a fucking circus, behind bars.

  43. Oh come on

    I wrote a comment and I have no idea why it went into moderation.

  44. Oh come on

    Sinc: can I respectfully opine that the cure is worse than the disease.

  45. Death Giraffe

    Has everyone made an official prediction on the US election?
    I will put myself down as predicting Republicans hold both Senate and Reps with increased majorities.
    Not as sure as I was before brexit and 2016, but think it most likely outcome.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel

    Cost of fighting the American Civil War to be deducted from any reparations?

  47. JC

    Has everyone made an official prediction on the US election?

    GOP senate and House goes to the D’rats by a small margin.

    It’s not a prediction as such in reference to the house as most of the seats are virtual toss ups according to various articles. It’s just a rough stab.

    Having said that, if the house goes to the GOP, the stock market could be up massively.

  48. Oh come on

    MV, you do believe a Kentucky Derby load of horseshit so it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if you thought the moon landings were faked. It’s exactly the kind of garbage you’d merrily espouse.

    Now maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you think the moon landings actually happened. On the moon.

    The truth of the matter is in the fact that everyone here – if they’re being honest, so even your allies – could fully envisage you pushing some fake moon landing agenda.

    That’s who you are. You are that crank who spouts that sort of shit. To put it in as kindly a way as possible; you have a lot of charming alternative perspectives on reality.

    Either way, own it because that’s who you are.

  49. JC

    That comment illustrates perfectly why you shouldn’t be here, Ronery. That you’re too stupid.

    A close analogy would be people against their will such as a kidnapping situation. Has anyone in their right mind ever suggested the cost of policing should be charged to the victims of a kidnapping or other criminal activities. My fucking dog has more smarts than you, imbecile.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    OCO I have a comment in moderation on another thread. I have no idea why as it contains no banned words nor concepts that could offend or be illegal.

    It doesn’t swem to break any of Sinc’s rules either.

    Why have things suddenly gone haywire here?

  51. .

    Cost of fighting the American Civil War to be deducted from any reparations?

    Why? It began over State’s rights and the South initiated by foolishly attacking the North.

    It’s even worse than what JC made an analogy to.

  52. Zatara

    Has everyone made an official prediction on the US election?

    Republicans add 4-5 seats in the Senate, win the House in a close run thing.

    Agree with JC regarding the market results, I made a heap last election. Just not sure I have the cojones to bet on it this time (yet).

  53. DrBeauGan

    memoryvault
    #2857518, posted on November 5, 2018 at 10:22 pm
    Unless you are claiming that there has been a massive change in those people’s attitudes

    So you agree with Zyco.
    Fair enough.
    Duly noted.

    MV, I don’t have the faintest idea what zyco thinks about anything. I know only that he puts up some interesting links.

  54. JC

    OCO

    It was reported in the Journal of Social Studies, the nutball was writing about a conspiracy organized by the global dental profession to take over world government and it would be headquartered in Canberra (of all places). This fucker was doing ice before it was even invented, by the bucket-load. He was way past fake moon landings. Pluto past.

  55. feelthebern

    Tom are you around?
    Usually Cup day means crap racing every where else.
    Some good racing all around the country tomorrow.

  56. feelthebern

    The moon landing was real.
    The audio was real.
    The footage was faked.

  57. JC

    Zat

    There’s plenty of time to make the bets after the result. 🙂
    I think though any rally because of say a GOP win would be short lived as markets are quite focused on both the trade issue with China and Fed moves.

  58. .

    Well

    Truth is stranger than fiction. I’ve heard of MK Ultra but not MK Often.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKOFTEN

    I’d go so far to say this is also the deep state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    “Alleged”…?

  59. Old School Conservative

    JC
    #2857578, posted on November 5, 2018 at 10:54 pm
    A close analogy would be people against their will such as a kidnapping situation. Has anyone in their right mind ever suggested the cost of policing should be charged to the victims of a kidnapping or other criminal activities.

    JC, I assume you are arguing with Zulu.
    In that case, you are so blinded by hatred for him that you can’t see his logic.
    If the case case for reparations to blacks for the terrible things done to them has merit, then so too must the human sacrifice and monetary cost of bringing them out of slavery be calculated.

    I don’t see any merit in either argument, but those who loudly push for reparations must have their own thesis challenged. Costs of the American Civil War are just one aspect to challenge the reparations argument.

  60. Old School Conservative

    Why? It began over State’s rights

    …to uphold slavery.

  61. Oh come on

    The Saffas had some great ideas for crowd control that they trialled, ie blasting out MDMA dust over rioting mobs of protesters. Which would – presumably? – dissolve the malcontents into a pool of temporary love shortly after.

    Shit. EDM festivals would pay serious bucks for that kind of service these days.

  62. JC

    Old School

    No, I don’t hate the doofus.. I genuinely think he’s as thick as granite and it’s annoying reading his lowbrow crap. Having said all that. Yes, there was much bloodshed with 600,000 dead as a result of the civil war that was fought ostensibly to free the blacks.

    The US Federal government had not just a moral duty to free blacks, but also a very real legal one under their constitution.

    I don’t believe the present generations have any right to even a cent of reparations because, obviously they weren’t they weren’t the ones enslaved. But by fuck the slaves most certainly were owed reps and lots of of it at the time. They were owed by those states with laws to hold them as slaves and they were owed by the slave owners.

    Those people are gone now and of course there’s no redress.

    The civil war was to right an evil and the US government was duty bound to fight that war to the end.

  63. .

    If the case case for reparations to blacks for the terrible things done to them has merit, then so too must the human sacrifice and monetary cost of bringing them out of slavery be calculated.

    No.

    The States seceded over State’s rights. Lincoln didn’t free the slaves immediately and the South actually started the war as a war of aggression.

    How should that downgrade reparations?

    There are many other better arguments against reparations.

  64. DrBeauGan

    Any reparations to black Americans should include a one way ticket to Africa.

    Jesse Lee Peterson has commented intelligently on this.

  65. JC

    Old School..

    Also read my reply to the asshat. The analogy holds true. The blacks were essentially victims of a crime and the civil war was like a policing action. Victims have a right to be compensated in order to monetarily redress a wrong done to them, such as slavery. Slavery was one huge swindle. Leaving all that aside, Slavery has been and will continue to be the curse of the United States. It can’t ever get away from that evil deed.

  66. Tel

    Has anyone in their right mind ever suggested the cost of policing should be charged to the victims of a kidnapping or other criminal activities.

    I believe that’s normally called “taxation”.

    It’s not like the criminals are gonna pay to be arrested.

  67. JC

    Any reparations to black Americans should include a one way ticket to Africa.

    Jesse Lee Peterson has commented intelligently on this.

    Yes, a version of that was the creation of Liberia.. although who Liberia was taken from was another matter.

    There was also a pledge by the the US government of some acreage in the western regions for freed slaves, but I think it ended up as an empty pledge. That was a recognition of reparations, but nothing came out of it.

  68. Tel

    The blacks were essentially victims of a crime and the civil war was like a policing action.

    Conquest and slavery are as old as humanity … so I demand reparations for when the Romans invaded the Celts.

    The Catholic Church isn’t short a quid, so reach deep and pay me.

  69. JC

    Tel

    The one big difference in all this is that the US had a constitution guaranteeing the positive rights. That has consequences. In the end, a civil war was fought over this issue. Victims of wrongs had a right to be compensated.

  70. JC

    Conquest and slavery are as old as humanity … so I demand reparations for when the Romans invaded the Celts.

    The Catholic Church isn’t short a quid, so reach deep and pay me.

    Read what I said carefully. There may be a gram or spell error or two, but I think you will get the drift. The present generations of blacks aren’t owed a cent. Zilch.

  71. JC

    Conquest and slavery are as old as humanity … so I demand reparations for when the Romans invaded the Celts.

    The Catholic Church isn’t short a quid, so reach deep and pay me.

    Read what I said carefully. There may be a gram or spell error or two, but I think you will get the drift. The present generations aren’t owed a cent.

  72. JC

    Tel
    Read what I said carefully. There may be a gram or spell error or two, but I think you will get the drift. The present generations aren’t owed a cent.

  73. DrBeauGan

    so I demand reparations for when the Romans invaded the Celts.

    Yup. Also the Angles, the Saxons and the Normans. Just for a start. I am sure I can think of plenty of people who’ve oppressed my ancestors. Hey, how about sueing the Africans? They kicked my ancestors out of Africa around seventy thousand years ago.

  74. RobK

    Has anyone in their right mind ever suggested the cost of policing should be charged to the victims of a kidnapping or other criminal activities.
    State invoiced security for speakers to be protected against civil unrest.

  75. JC

    State invoiced security for speakers to be protected against civil unrest.

    That’s the left trying on that bullshit as a way of trying to prevent people from speaking. It’s entirely different. 🙂

  76. Steve trickler

    A rough day for ATC ground at JFK. 8 years ago.

    I thought this bloke was going to lose it. Flip out!



    Good laugh.

  77. mh

    feelthebern
    #2857588, posted on November 5, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    Tom are you around?
    Usually Cup day means crap racing every where else.
    Some good racing all around the country tomorrow.

    Only ever one good race on Cup day – the Cup.

    The rest is horse 💩💩💩

  78. RobK

     It’s entirely different. 
    Like the pimp leaning on your car after the show, saying he wants 50 bucks for looking after your car while you were away.☺

  79. JC

    Tickler

    Was the ground control guy fucking up, or it was it just the regular zoo at JFK that day?

  80. mh

    Has everyone made an official prediction on the US election?

    I had $300 on GOP majority in Senate @ 1.20

    There was only one bet type for the mid terms. Beteasy = Betshite

    And remember tomorrow….bullshit responsibly.

  81. JC

    I read somewhere there’s a record number of early voters in numbers never seen before. Who would that favor? That also portends to a red wave, no?

  82. mh

    zyconoclast
    #2857390, posted on November 5, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    George Soros, now this!

    What’s wrong with these people?

  83. RobK

    That also portends to a red wave, no?
    I hope so but I’m not game to call because I dont know the pull of social media, especially with Trump working the crowds. It’s that verses the Hollywood celebs. Hollywood hasn’t faced a Trump since McCarthy.

  84. RobK

    Im not suggesting Trump =McCarthy, but its rare they get push back.

  85. Zatara

    JC – yeah JFK is always a zoo, but that controller was also having a bad morning. Must have picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

  86. JC

    Lol CNN is so debased.

    Gillum, I think, is the D’rat gubernatorial candidate in Florida

    THIS IS CNN: CNN Interviews ‘Random’ Gillum Rally Person — His Mother.

  87. Zatara

    Florida had ~ 3 mil early voters last year. They have ~ 4 mil this year. Early voters in Florida tend to be Republican.

    But who knows? It’ll all be over about 40 hours from now.

  88. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    12m
    If
    @AndrewGillum
    did the same job with Florida that he has done in Tallahassee as Mayor, the State will be a crime ridden, overtaxed mess.
    @RonDeSantisFL
    will be a great Governor. VOTE!!!!!!

  89. Steve trickler

    JC.

    It was the zoo and he fucked it….for a little while.

    It happens.

    The JFK gold standard was this bloke.



  90. mh

    Just listening to Michael Maclaren on 2gb talking about the Christian lady in Pakistan who was on death row for 8 years for drinking from the wrong cup.

    The Left don’t have a problem with Pakistan. Yet they still gloat over their bravery standing up to the evil South African sporting teams. Kevin Rudd praised Pakistan for being “one of the world’s great democracies”.

  91. calli

    Imran Khan fears the assassins’s bullet does he?

    He’s sentenced Bibi and her family to death just like that.

  92. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2857632, posted on November 6, 2018 at 1:54 am
    Imran Khan fears the assassins’s bullet does he?

    He’s sentenced Bibi and her family to death just like that.

    He’s a politician, Calli. What do you expect?

  93. I am bespoke

    So many people making so much money in creating resentment.

  94. None

    zyconoclast

    #2857390, posted on November 5, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    What the hell was that obscenity?

  95. None

    Zanetti draws a good Turnbull even though he’s not very funny today.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tom Stiglich. Brilliant.

    Alec Baldwin should run for President with Tina Fey.
    That would totally confuse lefty voters.

  97. DrBeauGan

    Yes,thanks Tom. The Garrison was good too.

  98. Just Interested

    I thought Zanetti was pretty spot on.

  99. Elle

    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.

    I thought it was so disgusting I couldn’t watch it all the way through. I have many Christian friends and attend a Christian church whose Minister is a Jew who converted to Christianity.

  100. Elle

    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.

    I thought it was so disgusting I couldn’t watch it all the way through. I have many Christian friends I and attend a Christian church whose Minister is a J*w who converted to Christianity.

  101. egg_

    Will Trumble be wearing the leather jacket on Q&A?
    Why not a Trumble & KRuddy double act of deposed narcissists?

  102. egg_

    I thought Zanetti was pretty spot on.

    +1

    Why not Bananaby & Trumble on Q&A?

  103. RobK

    From
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/blackmail-from-italy-could-create-next-euro-crisis-a-1235928.html

    Weaponized DebtItaly Doubles Down on Threat to Euro Stability

    Fears are growing that the euro crisis may soon return. Italy could spark a chain reaction if it doesn’t yield to the European Union’s demand that it rein in its planned deficit spending. Concern is rising in Brussels and on the financial markets. By DER SPIEGEL Staff

    Photos

    Filippo Monteforte/ AFP

     

    November 01, 2018  03:25 PMPrintFeedbackComment

    It was apparently important to him to show that it was a brand-name shoe — quality, made in Italy. On a recent Tuesday afternoon, Angelo Ciocca, an Italian member of European Parliament, held up the sole of his shoe for all to see before trampling on the report produced by “euro idiots,” this “mountain of lies” which claimed Italy’s draft budget violates eurozone rules on deficit spending.

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    The gesture came right after Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Pierre Moscovici had announced that the budget submitted by Italy must be revised within three weeks — a rebuke that was unprecedented in the history of the European Union and a humiliation for Italy. That, at least, is how Ciocca saw it — and he acted accordingly. He is a member of the right-wing nationalist Lega party, whose leader Matteo Salvini, as deputy prime minister in Rome, sets the tone.

    In fact, this alleged humiliation plays right into the hands of Italy’s new leaders. It serves to affirm their fight against Europe, against the euro and against anything that supposedly prevents their nation from being free and great.

    The European Commission last week criticizedthe Italian government’s budget, saying it “represents a clear and intentional deviation from the commitments made by Italy last July” by seeking to increase new borrowing by three times more than originally planned. But that doesn’t seem to bother the boisterous Salvini in Rome any more than it does his coalition partner Luigi Di Maio of the Five Star Movement (M5S) or Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Since swearing fidelity on the issue at a meeting at Rome’s Trattoria Sabatino early last week, the three have demonstrated their determination to stand up to the political heavyweights in Europe and to the financial markets.

    ‘This Europe Will Be Finished’

    “The lords of the spread should step aside” Salvini has demanded. Prime Minister Conte, meanwhile, says: “The more I study the draft budget, the more I like it” — a plan which earmarks tens of billions of euros to fulfill election promises. Protests from Brussels over the budget? No problem, claims Di Maio. “This Europe will be finished in six months anyway.”

    He is referring to the European Parliament elections, whose May 2019 date is determining Italy’s collision course, a plan which threatens to rock all of Europe, and the common currency area in particular. Lega and M5S hope to perform well enough that they can join forces with populists from other EU member states and subsequently reverse the balance of power in the EU’s only elected body. Salvini recently even announced that he is considering putting himself in the running to succeed his arch-nemesis Jean-Claude Juncker as president of the European Commission, the EU’s highest office.

    That’s why the Italian budget, together with the country’s debts, represents more than just a provocation against Brussels: The Italians have turned their budget into a weapon in their fight against the hated system.

    Populists from all over Europe are crossing their fingers for Salvini, including the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party. AfD co-leader Jörg Meuthen is fond of stirring up fears about the stability of the euro in Germany while celebrating the uninhibited course adopted by the Italians – the very path that could in fact cause problems for the euro. “Salvini is teaching the establishment that Italy is a sovereign state,” he says.

    National sovereignty is the only thing that matters, says Salvini, and the government is bound only to the people. Though that statement is less than truthful, to put it mildly.

  104. Cassie of Sydney

    “DrBeauGan
    #2857428, posted on November 5, 2018 at 9:48 pm
    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.”

    Yes, more that disgusting……utterly unfunny, puerile, stupid and inane.

    If I want to watch something funny about “Yeshu”….I’ll watch “The Life of Brian”.

    And I like to remember that Jesus of Nazareth was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life and died a Jew.

  105. Cassie of Sydney

    “DrBeauGan
    #2857428, posted on November 5, 2018 at 9:48 pm
    Zyco, that clip was disgusting.

    I hope Elle and Cassie think so too.”

    Yes, more that disgusting……utterly unfunny, puerile, stupid and inane.

    If I want to watch something funny about “Yeshu”….I’ll watch “The Life of Brian”.

    And I like to remember that Jesus of Nazareth was born a J*w, lived a J*wish life and died a J*w.

  106. DrBeauGan

    If I want to watch something funny about “Yeshu”….I’ll watch “The Life of Brian”.

    I liked life of Brian. It was funny, but it also made some important points about human nature. In It’s way it was genuinely religious.

  107. Cassie of Sydney

    “And I like to remember that Jesus of Nazareth was born a J*w, lived a J*wish life and died a J*w.”

    I forgot to add that Jesus, being a J*w, probably had a very good sense of humour too.

  108. Caveman

    Why not Bananaby & Trumble on Q&A?

    Barny is doin the first viewer video question.

  109. notafan

    Interesting to see the local mosque has a big election placard up for the nuslim Labor candidate (didn’t bother when Labor had a white male candidate).

    No need to worry about what happens if muslims ever manage to be the majority in this country.

    I think his election slogan is

    Of the muslims, by the muslims, for the muslims.

  110. DrBeauGan

    “And I like to remember that Jesus of Nazareth was born a J*w, lived a J*wish life and died a J*w.”

    I forgot to add that Jesus, being a J*w, probably had a very good sense of humour too.

    Yes, he was obviously very bright and most bright people have a sense of humour. On the other hand he was killed by dzhwz too. The crowd who preferred Barabbas were missing something.

  111. calli

    I forgot to add that Jesus, being a J*w, probably had a very good sense of humour too.

    He thought up armadillos and giraffes, clearly for entertainment purposes.

    I rest my case.

  112. DrBeauGan

    He thought up armadillos and giraffes, clearly for entertainment purposes.

    If we’re identifying Jesus with God, then He also invented sex. Which shows His sense of humour was rather odd.

  113. Peter Campion

    Why not Bananaby & Trumble on Q&A?

    Baanyard would rather meet Trumble in a cage-fight ring than on a chat desk.

  114. John Constantine

    Puerto Rico.

    Their transnational left go to war over decolonialisation and removing the taint of the anglosphere everywhere on earth.

    Except Puerto Rico. No Freedom from the yoke of the Anglosphere for Puerto Rico.

    The votes of the Puerto Rican voteherds imported into Florida are valuable cannon fodder for transnationalism.

    Comrades.

  115. egg_

    Barny is doin the first viewer video question.

    “Is Lucy upgrading to the new carbon fibre strap-on?”

  116. Elle

    Not sure who here have experience attending both church and synagogue. The ones I have attended welcome all faiths. 

    I attend church because, following significant losses this year, I have been questioning things. The fact the Minister is J*wish is incredible. His sermons are speaking to me. It somehow makes sense that Jesus rose from the dead. 

    I find the music very uplifting. Even found myself clapping. Then found myself questionning – have I become a ‘happy clapper’ lol. And all with my Star of David on. 

    The parishioners welcome me. No judgement. In fact they love that J*ws are in their church. I feel very blessed.

  117. Cassie of Sydney

    “National sovereignty is the only thing that matters, says Salvini, and the government is bound only to the people”

    Geez, lucky Italy, they have a leader who will state the bleeding obvious, just like the leaders of the USA, Poland and Hungary. Oh but that’s right, they are waaaacist, they are islamophobes, they are xenophones….all because they believe in borders and don’t want their countries swamped by hundreds of thousands of opportunistic middle eastern and African men from sh*thole countries, most of whom are all economic migrants seeking welfare, many of whom lie about their age and pretend to be 15 when they are actually 30, most of whom follow a maniacal death cult ideology that pretends to be a religion and many of whom, when they are safely ensconced in the various welfare enclaves of Berlin, Cologne, Paris, London and Stockholm, like to go around r*ping European women.

    Can someone please state that to our cretinous leaders…you know the professional filth that inhabit the uniparty in Canberra.

  118. calli

    Bourbon Street is no more charming in the dry daytime. Sleazey and down-at-heel and full of derelicts. Sorry to those Nawlins fanshere. The roadworks exposing the open bowels of the stormwater and sewerage systems don’t help either.

    The area down by the river and Jackson Square is much more interesting, full of artists and musicians. Old Hickory presides over a field of lawns, roses and palm trees just across from the Cafe du Monde. As I was born lucky, a table appeared on the edge of the seething mass of humanity under the verandah (reminiscent of a Paris street cafe), and my first eveh beignet was consumed, washed down by a concotion of coffee and chicory. So many shades of wrong but utterly delicious.

    And I was accosted by an LGBT panhandler, wanting money for “rights”. I declined to donate.

  119. Cassie of Sydney

    “Of the muslims, by the muslims, for the muslims.”

    Sharia. As for us infidels….know your place, Asia Bibi’s lot is a lesson for us all.

    As for Asia Bibi, I haven’t heard any of our gutless filth aka politicians speak up for her…….please correct me if I am wrong. Where is Australian’s offer of refuge? I would regard Asia Bibi and her family as true refugees unlike the welfare seeking scum on Nauru.

  120. Elle

    I haven’t heard any of our gutless filth aka politicians speak up for her
    And where is the feminist movement?

  121. Leigh Lowe

    Don’t exhale whilst chomping on the beignet Calli.
    You will disappear behind a cloud of fine icing sugar.

  122. Old School Conservative

    As for Asia Bibi, I haven’t heard any of our gutless filth aka politicians speak up for her

    If they wouldn’t go in to bat for white males from Seth Efrica, they certainly won’t speak up/act on behalf of a woman of colour.

  123. John Constantine

    OLI olivers real foods

    Doing a cap raise to fund the new management buy quick cook robots and robot ordering tech, so the focus on customers becomes the business, instead of progressively feeding the proles socialism.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20181105/pdf/440089xcwzxb30.pdf

  124. calli

    You will disappear behind a cloud of fine icing sugar.

    I sneezed instead. Covered.

    *warning* do not wear black when eating beignets.

  125. John Constantine

    The take home message from Oliver’s is that even if all the surveys prove that the customers say they want fresh organic vegan health takeaway, and will wait longer and pay Big dollars for it:

    In the real world, the proles drive past the Kale to get to a Maccas cheeseburger.

    Comrades.

  126. John Constantine

    Oliver’s mentions in the cap raise presentation that Australia has half the world’s organic farmland, but I reckon they are counting the tableland wilderness, where ten thousand organic goats graze on a million desolate acres.

    Plus there are a couple million odd meat dodgers in Australia.

    No wonder their left are so enraged and cranky, they are all starving for cheeseburger.

  127. John Constantine

    Rangeland, not tableland.

    Godless commo peoples liberation army slave labour auto-correct.

  128. Sinc, where is the midterms thread?

  129. John Constantine

    Sydney Water has water waste awareness advertising on foxtel.

    We must purge colonialist injustice Nazi Ethnostate privilege like soaking in long hot showers.

    Big Australia has made our water so valuable we can shower with a rag and a bucket every week.

    Comrades.

  130. Eyrie

    How is Stanley, the Bunnings cat doing?

  131. Cassie of Sydney

    “hey certainly won’t speak up/act on behalf of a woman of colour.”

    let me just add a word….” a Christian woman of colour”.

    Asia Bibi is a brown skinned woman (am I allowed to say that here….I wouldn’t be allowed to say that on Sky…I’d lose my job!) who has lived under a cloud of death for almost 10 years for the crime of drinking water from a “Muslim cup”.

    So let’s imagine if Asia Bibi was actually a brown skinned Muslim woman who had lived under a cloud of death for almost a decade in a Christian majority country…..you wouldn’t hear the end of it from their ABC, from Fauxfax, from the Guardian and from all their hypocritical Muslim shills…….speaking of Muslim shills……..

    Why isn’t that perpetual irritant named Weed Ali speaking up about Bibi? SILENCE.

    Why isn’t that irritating Weed’s wife…you know the hypocrite who goes by the name “Susan Carland” speaking up about Bibi….she who is always prattling on about how peaceful and tolerant her adopted religion is. SILENCE.

    Why isn’t that perpetual media tart….aka….YAM……speaking up about Bibi…..you know the hypocrite who stated on national television that “Islam is the most “feminist religion”…who tweets about remembering Manus, Nauru and Pales*tin……yes YAM….I suppose it is terribly inconvenient when a dirt poor Christian woman gets sentenced to death for the crime of having a sip of water. SILENCE.

    Where is the utterly repulsive and venal new Greens senator….Mehreen Faruqi (mother of Osman Faruqui….a far left agitator now employed by their ABC and currently suing Mark Latham)…a woman born and bred in Pakistan….she who got up in federal parliament to give her maiden speech and screamed about how evil Isr*el is and how waaacist Australia is. SILENCE.

    The SILENCE is deafening…isn’t it.

  132. Dave in Marybrook

    I was mildly concerned about half a billion spent on the War Memorial- you can’t throw around that much money without someone turning up and demanding to rip up the foundations and start over-

  133. RobK

    Over at Quadrant, a fine, detailed essay on Brazil’s politics by Zimmerman.
    ://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2018/11/brazil-bolsonaros-augean-stable/
    A sampler (RTWT)

    AUGUSTO ZIMMERMANN

    Brazil: Bolsonaro’s Augean Stable.

    Very nearly slain on the campaign trail, the new president is widely depicted by Western media as a fascist intent on tyranny. Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?  The long-suffering citizens who elected him knew better, voting for a new broom to sweep away mayhem, corruption and leftist failure

    Jair Bolsonaro (left) was recently elected the next President of Brazil, finally putting an end to a generation of highly corrupt and incompetent leftist rule.  And yet, when Brazil’s Supreme Electoral Tribunal declared Mr Bolsonaro the next leader of the world’s fourth-largest democracy, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Jose Dias Toffoli made this highly unusual pronouncement: ‘The future president must respect institutions, must respect democracy, the rule of law, the judiciary branch, the national Congress and the legislative branch.’ Those remarks were widely taken to be a rebuke of Bolsonaro’s political views.

    It is ironic that the real threat to democracy in Brazil comes not from Bolsonaro but from a highly anachronistic left. Indeed, Bolsonaro was one of the few Brazilian politicians willing to publicly attack what the communists from the Workers Party (PT) were doing: the destruction of the family through gender ideology and sexualisation of children; the promotion of organized crime as a stylish way of life and counter to the ‘capitalist system’; the promotion of abortion on demand; the deep and unprecedented corruption scandals perpetrated by President Luis Inacio Lula da Silva and his Workers’ Party, and the endemic violence that is claiming tens of thousands of murders every year.

    As Brazil’s most powerful party, the Workers’ Party is structured along Leninist lines, with a central committee and strict rules about adherence to party decisions. It brings under the same banner Trotskyists, Leninists, Maoists, former guerrillas, the Left’s standard issue pseudo-intellectuals and militant trade unionists. The leading group, comments Bernardo Kucinski, a journalist who acted as a special adviser to former President Lula da Silva, ‘is made up of trade union leaders, intellectuals, and members of the old Aliança Libertadora Nacional – ALN [a guerrillas movement], [and] the armed struggle group created by Carlos Marighela’. It has moderate supporters of social democracy, but its radical wing consists of hardliners eager to create a dictatorship of the proletariat.

    It is clear that numerous members of the Workers’ Party consider the use of violence a feasible strategy. They argue that laws must be obeyed only as long as they contribute to radical social changes. The idea comes from the writings of Engels, who argued in a March, 1884, letter: ‘The proletariat needs democratic forms for the seizure of political power but they are … like all political forms, mere means’.  This sort of mentality is opposed to democracy but helps to explain why, in March 2005, Veja, Brazil’s leading current-affairs magazine, published a cover story about the illegal offering of five million dollars by the Revolutionary Army Forces of Colombia (FARC) to the campaign of Workers’ Party candidates in 2003.

    See also Brazil’s Crime

    Lula da Silva, the charismatic leader of the Workers’ Party, was popularly elected President of Brazil in November, 2002, and took office in January 2003. As the party leader who founded the Foro de Sao Paulo (FSP), he was appointed chairman of this umbrella organisation which helps coordinate the program of political extremists. For instance, the July, 2005, conference of the FSP was attended by delegates of Colombia’s FARC guerrillas, Peru’s TUPAC-AMARU guerrillas, Chile’s MIR guerrillas, Basque separatist group ETA, and the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The US State Department considers all of these to be terrorist organizations.

  134. Dave in Marybrook

    Nope, no dice.
    Anyway, it’s Henry Reynolds.

  135. Boambee John

    Henry Reynolds

    Caught fudging references by Keith Windschuttle. Never retracted the relevant documents. Imagined that there “might, could, should” have been a treaty with unspecified terms between col9nists and Tasmanian aborigines, therefore such a treaty should be treated as if it actually existed.

    That Henry Reynolds? I shudder to imagine what he wants included.

  136. Boambee John

    Nothing prevents the aboriginal “industry” taking some of the billions they get each year and building their own memorial to the so-called colonial wars that were in reality minor skirmishes hardly worth noting. Nothing even on the minor scale of Rorke’s Drift occurred, much less the scale of Wellington’s operations in India.

  137. Baldrick

    m0nty
    #2857693, posted on November 6, 2018 at 8:14 am
    Sinc, where is the midterms thread?

    It’s still November 5 in the U.S.A m0nty.

  138. areff

    He thought up armadillos and giraffes, clearly for entertainment purposes.

    And under a rock in NSW he installled Michael Photios.

  139. Tom

    Beignet. I had to look it up, Calli. Nawlins sounds like smelly fun; the Cat is your canvas (especially tomorrow your time, when the locals start a’votin’).

  140. You’ve baited the hook Boambee John.
    Will Testy Bite?

  141. John Constantine

    Really should have cleaned those gutters out.

    Foxtel down in the storm even.

  142. Just when you thought it was all over.
    Then comes the punchline.

    The ultimate sense og humour.

  143. C.L.

    At ABC Online:

    Dating as an Aboriginal woman: here’s how I avoid a racist.

    Yes, tall, dark and handsome still makes me go ‘Mmm…’, but the band Offspring didn’t tell lies when they sang “pretty fly for a white guy”.

    But before I start getting jiggy with a vanilla slice, my thought bubble bursts and I catch myself thinking, is he attracted to black girls?

    Ten paragraphs later …

    These days when I’m considering dating a guy that’s not Aboriginal, I have a shopping list of questions I’d like answered first:

    🔸 Has he dated a black girl before?
    🔸 What if I’m his first black girl?
    🔸 Worse! Does he have a black fetish?
    🔸 What if he gives me a pet names like ‘hot chocolate’ or anything else referring to edibles?
    🔸 Am I just to be ticked off on his smash list?

  144. calli

    When the locals start a votin’ I’ll be in the swamp checking out the wildlife, then off to some antebellum plantations.

    It may get interesting back in town around the dinner hour. We’ll be most likely on Canal Street.

    I saw the plinth at Lee Circle today minus Robert E. They had him removed earlier this year because waaaaaaaacism. One of the plans is to replace the empty plinth with a carousel, so they can go round and round in circles again.

    I thought it apt.

  145. calli

    Thank goodness she doesn’t feel attracted to Asians. Generic descriptors might get her sacked.

  146. C.L.

    Thank goodness she doesn’t feel attracted to Asians.

    “Yellow cake”?

  147. cohenite

    Cassie of Sydney

    #2857697, posted on November 6, 2018 at 8:21 am

    Correct. Stinking hypocrites.

  148. Eyrie

    “Dating as an Aboriginal woman: here’s how I avoid a racist.”
    Sounds as racist as all get out.

  149. Top Ender

    On the Virgin thingie; letter in the Oz:

    As a veteran of World War 11 with 26 years of naval service, I appreciate the gesture of Virgin Airlines to allow veterans to board first. I suggest they be allowed to board last and get off first.

    Frederick Menzies, North Dandenong, Vic

  150. Baldrick

    But before I start getting jiggy with a vanilla slice, my thought bubble bursts and I catch myself thinking, is he attracted to black girls?

    So Molly uses the same edible pet names she condemns.
    Racist!

  151. Zatara

    Top Ender, I wonder how many would recognize what Mr Menzies did there? Very clever.

  152. Pouring rain here too now that the horses are well past the post.
    Good for the town gardens that are on permanent water restrictions and a rest for the elderly from dragging hoses around for the hand watering of lawns, if they are stubborn or wealthy enough to still have one.
    Sprinklers are the devil’s work. No grandkids running through the sprinkler on a hot summer day without the Stasi water police and their informants suppressing joy.

  153. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders – Gerard Henderson

    https://youtu.be/PCDVRKkyjw0

  154. Empire 5:5

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  155. Des Deskperson

    ‘At ABC Online:

    Dating as an Aboriginal woman: here’s how I avoid a racist.’

    What a gem! Thanks, CL. Love this bit:

    “But I’m dating someone who isn’t Aboriginal, I dread other types of conversations because our whole relationship depends on how they pan out.

    For me, they’re things like:

    Does he celebrate Australia Day? Now this is a sensitive subject as I do not, and never have celebrated this day.
    Black face — does he think it’s harmless?
    Tony Abbott as special envoy on Indigenous affairs? Thoughts?
    And what about the closure of remote communities?”

    Surely she doesn’t really ask these questions. They are so obvious, clumsy and silly that even the evilest racist would know to give the ‘right’ answers if he wanted to get into her pants.

    In fact the whole article – like so much on the ABC – has – perhaps unfairly – an air of disconnect from any real experience; it comes across as just a bunch of standard, confected cliches about whitey.

    And does anyone still use the term ‘boong’ theres days?

  156. .

    🔸 Worse! Does he have a black fetish?

    That’s a good thing you imbecile. Why would you want a partner or spouse who is attracted to you?

    Let me guess, Missy wants a sapiosexual but doesn’t realise how problematically ableist that is.

  157. .

    Tony Abbott as special envoy on Indigenous affairs? Thoughts?

    He’s a respected elder who has deadly skills as halfback but can’t be found in the forward pack as it is a shame job.

  158. Snoopy

    TheirABC’s Michael Rowland and TheirABC’s pet equities analyst Fiona Clark are both in furious agreement that the Republicans holding the House and picking up seats in the Senate would be a disaster for stock markets and the AUD.

    You have been warned.

  159. .

    Yes, he was obviously very bright and most bright people have a sense of humour. On the other hand he was killed by dzhwz too. The crowd who preferred Barabbas were missing something.

    I’m sure that an upper-class noble David Bowie ordered the execution of the ancient New Yorker William Defoe.

  160. .

    How many treaties do we have with the Middle East?

    Let’s say the problem is IQ.

    Why not have an agreement to end consanguine marriages to even a remote degree (4th-7th) as part of any deal?

    You could sell it as a way to boost GDP, thus expanding our market, but really the rules would be to raise IQ and promote critical thinking.

    We probably won’t see the benefits – but ours and their descendants will.

  161. Mother Lode

    Florida had ~ 3 mil early voters last year. They have ~ 4 mil this year. Early voters in Florida tend to be Republican.

    I would think that sending in postal votes pretending to be someone who is not planning to vote (perhaps they are dead) would be Dementocrat tactic – particularly as they are especially desperate this time round.

    Did someone’s staff get busted the other day doing that?

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Gillard ‘slush fund’ saga is back

    Brad Norington
    ASSOCIATE EDITOR
    @BradNorington
    12:00AM November 6, 2018

    An Australian Workers Union slush fund saga that hounded Julia Gillard throughout her political career might not be over, with former Sydney radio broadcaster Michael Smith taking the unusual course of launching a private criminal prosecution against her.

    Smith has lodged a document in Sydney’s Downing Centre Local Court accusing the former Labor prime minister of the ­alleged offence of “intentionally” giving “false or misleading ­evidence” to the royal commission into union governance and corruption in 2014. The alleged offence harks back to Ms Gillard’s appearance as a royal commission witness, when she answered questions under oath about her role helping former boyfriend and union ­official Bruce Wilson set up a “slush fund” called the AWU Workplace Association in the 1990s.

    Royal commissioner Dyson Heydon found in his interim ­report that Ms Gillard committed no wrongdoing legally, and did not recommend her for prosecution. Mr Heydon did, however, ­agree some money from $400,000 accumulated in the slush fund was used by Mr Wilson for renovations on Ms Gillard’s house.

    Smith lost his radio host job at 2UE in 2011 after a dispute with the station’s then owner, Fairfax Media, over his pursuit of Ms Gillard and the slush fund. He has continued to publish related ­material on his website, MichaelSmithNews. A Victoria Police officer and experienced prosecutor before his radio days, Smith has included affidavits from two former senior officials of the West Australian government ­Office of Corporate Affairs

    From the Oz.

  163. Marcus

    Ten paragraphs later …

    These days when I’m considering dating a guy that’s not Aboriginal, I have a shopping list of questions I’d like answered first:

    🔸 Has he dated a black girl before?
    🔸 What if I’m his first black girl?
    🔸 Worse! Does he have a black fetish?
    🔸 What if he gives me a pet names like ‘hot chocolate’ or anything else referring to edibles?
    🔸 Am I just to be ticked off on his smash list?

    Has a might high opinion of herself, doesn’t she, that she wants to get white men to pass a pop quiz to earn the privilege of dating her?

    Here’s a question to ask any Aboriginal woman. How do you feel about this song?

  164. Death Giraffe

    Worse! Does he have a black fetish?

    ..
    The thinking here is the guy should be neutral or mildly repulsed by you but able to see some deep, merit and goodlyness in you on some higher plane that makes the whole thing “pure”.
    These people are full- on religious.
    And by “these people” I mean chicks.

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Here’s a question to ask any Aboriginal woman.

    Does she suffer self diagnosed intergenerational trauma, the same as the silly bint who spat on the copper?

  166. .

    Royal commissioner Dyson Heydon found in his interim ­report that Ms Gillard committed no wrongdoing legally, and did not recommend her for prosecution. Mr Heydon did, however, ­agree some money from $400,000 accumulated in the slush fund was used by Mr Wilson for renovations on Ms Gillard’s house.

    If she sticks to her story, she has a pretty good grounds to have the thing dismissed.

    Doesn’t that point to Wilson being in the shit; but didn’t Smith have Wilson living in his 6′ x 4′ garden shed after Kathy Jackson kicked him out?

    Sorry, I am not up to date on the polyamory of the ALP and unions. My information may not be correct.

  167. Top Ender

    How to ruin reading for your young ones, or grandchildren:

    There are submissions from those whose sexual orientation is fluid and non-binary: Jessica Walton, an amputee and bisexual, writes about being a queer teen, dealing with a crush and embarrassing “parentals”; Kelly Gardiner writes on lesbian subculture in the 1950s, a coming-out tale that’s tender and hopeful.

    How not to. Go to the library or bookshop and choose some books and hand them over.

  168. Tintarella di Luna

    Just received an update on the court action brought by Professor Peter Ridd, formerly of James Cook University

    Dear All,
    Just as we were finishing preparations for the court case next week, we found out today that there has been an organisational glitch at the court in Brisbane so our case has been postponed until February or March 2019. This is quite disappointing but there is nothing we can do but wait. I’ll keep you updated when we get a new date.

    I should add that I have been using my new found spare time working on a book on the Great Barrier Reef, and why it is not as damaged as is often suggested. It will be interesting to see if the book is finished before the court hearing.

    Kind regards

    Peter
    Help spread the word!

  169. lotocoti

    The tragic story of a woman trapped for thirty years in her spring break job.

  170. Death Giraffe

    Chicks ruin everything.
    The Beetles were just some average garage band worth tapping your feet to.
    Until…
    Chicks started screaming and wetting their panties over them. Then we had to put up with 50 years of baby boomers crapping on about a stupid boy band.
    ..
    Jesus rose from the dead and blokes went: “That’s interesting. Quick, lets write down everything you can remember him saying”.
    Until…
    Chicks started crying and wetting their panties over statuettes of Jesus on a stick and: Voila! You have a boring religion. Nuns. Pews. Mind numbingly bad hymns. Do gooding.
    ..
    Hitler was just your average deranged, loser street thug.
    Until…
    Chicks started throwing flowers at him and wetting their panties. Ten years later a whole continent has had the living shit bombed out of it.

  171. Top Ender

    ‘ABC wallowing in money’: Abetz takes swipe at $250,000 bonus
    LILLY VITOROVICH

    Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz has lashed out at the ABC for paying a senior executive a nearly $250,000 bonus last financial year, and demanded answers from the public broadcaster over the use of funds.

    The Australian yesterday revealed an unnamed ABC executive received the $232,500 bonus, on top of a base salary of $388,702. This took the total salary to $692,319 in the year ended June 30, according to the ABC’s 2018 annual report.

    The executive was one of the highest paid executives, coming in behind former managing director Michelle Guthrie’s $918,924 pay cheque in fiscal 2018.

    “It is clear the ABC is wallowing in money when one executive is paid a quarter of a million dollars in bonuses. It is indicative of the ABC’s own deluded sense of self-worth,” Senator Abetz told The Australian yesterday.

    “To be paying mid-level ABC bosses, with taxpayers’ money, significantly more than even what the Prime Minister is paid is inexcusable and must be fully justified.

    “While these exorbitant payments are being made, I never want to hear from the ABC or its supporters that it doesn’t have enough money. It’s clear they have the money, it’s only a matter of priority,” Senator Abetz said.

    The ABC has refused to name the senior executive or give a reason for the bonus payment. “All publicly available information is disclosed in the annual report,” an ABC spokeswoman said.

    Former ABC chairman Justin Milne said he didn’t know the identity of the executive.

    Communications Minister Mitch Fifield’s office was tight-lipped on the matter, referring questions to the ABC.

    The ABC and multicultural public broadcaster SBS have refused to disclose individual staff salaries, citing the Privacy Act.

    The federal government prepared legislation to force the ABC and SBS to reveal the names of staff earning more than $200,000, but failed to gain the support of independents, crossbench senators, Labor or the Greens.

    Remuneration rates for the ABC leadership team are benchmarked using an external, independent provider against market rates.

    Previously, the ABC has fixed remuneration rates for executives on the leadership team in line with market rates.

    The ABC had a $71.2 million loss for the year ended June 30, compared with its forecast of a surplus of $3.09 million. That compares with income of $65.4m in the previous financial year.

    Australia’s biggest media union, the Media Entertainment & Arts Alliance, and a spokeswoman for ABC Friends National, an organisation set up to support the broadcaster, declined to comment on the bonus.

  172. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If she sticks to her story, she has a pretty good grounds to have the thing dismissed.

    Two affidavits from senior officers in the W.A. Public service that they never wrote certain letters, and allegations of perjury in front of a Royal Commission? Let’s see Flirty Girl giggle her way out of that one.

  173. .

    It will just put Wilson in more shit. At worst so far she could be struck off as a solicitor.

  174. Mother Lode

    For me, they’re things like:

    Does he celebrate Australia Day? Now this is a sensitive subject as I do not, and never have celebrated this day.
    Black face — does he think it’s harmless?
    Tony Abbott as special envoy on Indigenous affairs? Thoughts?
    And what about the closure of remote communities?”

    It reads as if she truly sees herself as curator of the museum that is her race, and that the things that matter to her do so because she considers they are what matter to her race.

    I hope she does ask these questions. Save the poor bloke from being trapped on the other side of a restaurant table while she lectures him and then gets hit with the bill.

  175. Boambee John

    Eyrie
    #2857722, posted on November 6, 2018 at 9:19 am
    “Dating as an Aboriginal woman: here’s how I avoid a racist.”
    Sounds as racist as all get out.

    But how does she avoid herself?

  176. Top Ender

    There is so much that is objectionable or wrong about this article it’s worth posting in full. Strange bits in bold….

    New anthology addresses dearth of diverse voices in Australia’s Young Adult literature
    ABC Arts By Thuy On

    In George Orwell’s Animal Farm, the pigs famously proclaimed: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. That’s how Rebecca Lim feels about the current state of Young Adult (YA) publishing in Australia.

    It’s fine if “you’re the ‘right’ gender or ethnicity, have the ‘right’ cultural or religious affiliations, or you are physically, physiologically or neurologically ‘normal’,” says the Melbourne-based author.

    “But those who aren’t the right’ ones, including those from whom this land was stolen, will struggle to see themselves in our Houses of Parliament, our sporting teams, our movies, TV, plays or books, our public structures and institutions.”

    Lim knows this problem from both sides of the equation: as a child migrant growing up in rural Queensland in the early 1970s, and as an author of 16 books for children and young people.

    She tries to address — or redress — the imbalance in her new anthology Meet Me at the Intersection: a collection of short fiction, memoirs, and poetry that is skewed towards a YA readership, written by Indigenous authors, people of colour, LGBTQIA writers, and those living with a disability — including Alice Pung, Omar Sakr, Ellen van Neerven and Amra Pajalic.

    While the 18 contributions range widely in tone and themes, the overall focus of Meet Me at the Intersection is lived experience.

    In the introduction, Lim, who shares joint editorship with Ambelin Kwaymullina, calls the book a reclamation of “own voices” and says it was born out of her frustration at the dearth of diverse Australian voices in children’s and YA literature.

    It’s a timely topic. In September, a furore erupted over The Saturday Paper’s Horne Prize, following revelations editor-in-chief Erik Jensen changed the prize guidelines so as to disqualify “essays by non-Indigenous writers about the experiences of First Nations Australians. Essays about the LGBTQI community written by people without direct experience of this community. Any other writing that purports to represent the experiences of those in any minority community of which the writer is not a member.”

    Writers David Marr and Anna Funder withdrew as judges of the prize, in protest against the restrictions. Marr wrote: “Men can write about women, gays about straights, blacks about whites. You judge, as always, by quality. That’s likely to be higher when there’s direct experience. But you can’t disqualify for lack of it.”

    Speaking to ABC before that controversy broke out, Lim spoke on the general topic of cultural appropriation, which she described as being “as old as the institutions of war, conquest and colonisation”.

    “When you write outside your lived experience from a position of power into a position that’s disempowered, you’re impacting the lives, cultures, ethics, histories, beliefs and stories of real people who should be given the space to speak for themselves.”

    “Otherwise what can result is pastiche, stereotyping or falsity.”

    “This is especially the case in the children’s and YA space, where many readers are more likely to take representations at simple face value. That duty to get your world, and your people, right is even more crucial, in my view.”

    A younger crop of authors like Nam Le, Pung, Melanie Cheng and Maxine Beneba Clarke are leading the way.

    Lim is cautiously optimistic. “Yes the climate may be changing, in that there’s more awareness and interest from privileged readers, and more activism from non-mainstream writers,” she said.

    “But the time when our literature reflects the richness of the human spectrum and experience is still a long way off.”

    Meet Me At The Intersection begins with the stories of First Nation peoples. Van Neerven, a poet and acclaimed author (and a queer black woman), writes about a young girl playing football and her relationship with her father.

    Graham Akhurst’s poem Dream is informed by the nation’s past:

    “…the earth’s/concealing/shards/form/that slice/the earth drinks bloodied footprints/announcing/the forgotten.”

    The anthology segues to the vernacular with a laconic piece from Kyle Lynch about looking for a job, while the difficulty of words themselves are explored by Kwaymullina in his poem about being Aboriginal and dyslexic.

    Olivia Muscat writes about trying to adjust to her visual impairment while fighting “to not always be an inspiration, a role model, a poster child”; fighting “to never let my frustration show”.

    There are submissions from those whose sexual orientation is fluid and non-binary: Jessica Walton, an amputee and bisexual, writes about being a queer teen, dealing with a crush and embarrassing “parentals”; Kelly Gardiner writes on lesbian subculture in the 1950s, a coming-out tale that’s tender and hopeful.

    Stories about immigration and the migrant experience are also in the mix: Chen imagines Chinatown in 1902, when the Immigration Restriction Act (a frontrunner for the White Australia Policy) had just passed; and Rafeif Ismail, an emerging Muslim writer and refugee from Sudan, and Pajalic, Australian-born of Bosnian heritage, speak of their respective experiences.

    Michelle Aung Thin wonders about the difficulty of figuring out identity when you’re made up of hyphens:

    “If I was being accurate, I would call myself Australo-Anglo-Canadiano-Burmeseo … What does it mean to fit in? What does it mean to be different?”

    Lim contributed to the collection, too. In Border Crossings she articulates “what it feels like to be without privilege, without language, in a new and contested country”:

    “I came to Australia as a migrant child in the early 1970s and we settled in rural Queensland from a relatively ‘cosmopolitan’ life in Singapore. My mum remembers having to drive over a hundred kilometres for a bottle of soya sauce, and crying every day for a long time. Drivers licence application forms in those days required you to insert your skin colour. And somehow, my dad got even that question wrong, because the policeman taking his form deemed him “dark”; crossing out dad’s answer and answering that part of the application for him.”

    If Lim has a guiding principle as a writer, it is “to encourage readers to feel empathy”, she says.

    “My memoir piece is really asking them [readers] to briefly walk in the shoes of people for whom institutions in this country were never originally made or tailored.”

    Meet Me At The Intersection’s vibrant orange cover is co-editor Kwaymullina’s contribution. A reproduction of one of her paintings, it consists of circles of different-coloured nodules.

    Lim says it represents “the strength of diverse voices, the links we make with each other and the world to share our stories”.

    Thuy On is a freelance literary journalist and critic, and books editor for The Big Issue.

  177. Snoopy

    The ABC ….. “All publicly available information is disclosed in the annual report,”

    I can’t fault that logic.

  178. Death Giraffe

    “what it feels like to be without privilege, without language, in a new and contested country”:

    ..
    Understand that.
    Understand what open borders is really about.
    They are not coming for refuge.
    They come to contest new territory.

  179. feelthebern

    As I have posted before, any public servant (that includes the ABC) that receives a bonus should have their KPI’s made public.
    Pretty simple stuff.

  180. Snoopy

    “I came to Australia as a migrant child in the early 1970s and we settled in rural Queensland from a relatively ‘cosmopolitan’ life in Singapore.

    Her father was a doctor or dentist?

  181. feelthebern

    Depending how the punt goes today, Republicans to hold the house @ 2.75 is looking pretty good.

  182. Snoopy

    Drivers licence application forms in those days required you to insert your skin colour.

    It has a certain truthiness.

  183. Thank goodness she doesn’t feel attracted to Asians.

    “Yellow cake”?

    Asian with freckles? Custard Slice

  184. Notafan

    Alice Pung is a successful author, at least two of her books have been included on high school curriculum over the last few years

    Probably the only way most kids would read them, but still.

  185. Snoopy

    New anthology addresses dearth of diverse voices in Australia’s Young Adult literature.

    The stench of government grant is overwhelming.

  186. mh

    C’mon guys. 🏆 day. 🐎

    It will be a rain affected track.

    My tip #10 Avilius

    Cummings!

  187. Snoopy

    feelthebern
    #2857774, posted on November 6, 2018 at 10:40 am
    Depending how the punt goes today, Republicans to hold the house @ 2.75 is looking pretty good.

    Where?

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I liked life of Brian. It was funny, but it also made some important points about human nature. In It’s way it was genuinely religious.

    We thought so too, Dr. BG, watching it on Netflix in Athens after flying in from Israel. ‘Blessed are the Cheesemakers’ can stand for a lot of the misinterpretation of the Christian message, that scenario also satirising the jostling for superior position that is part of our hierarchy-loving genes; which Jesus told us to get over. And there is so much more Christian good sense in the other satires it offers, imho, including putting your faith in false Messiahs.

    Elle – re churchgoing. I love the beautiful linguistic liturgies of the Christian church an wish they hadn’t largely messed them up by ‘modernising’ them. However, I do try to go with the times sometimes, and have attended Churches of all types for weddings, funerals and ‘just calling in’ on occasion over recent years. I also have a good friend who is a Pentecostal Church attender, and in recent (non-leftie) years have made other friends who are still traditionally Christian.

    I’ll always remember how welcome I was made in the Church of Ireland, in Hollywood, a suburb of Belfast; taken there by our friend we were staying with; he’d been converted recently. And the sermon was a good one, about forgiveness and the coming together of the Irish of the North and South.

    We should fly a plane to Pakistan to pick up Bibi and her family. Imran Khan, lover of Saint Diana, could say he was led to it at gunpoint, to save his skin. Point taken too that the moderate Muzzies soon cave in to the ISIS-type crew.

  189. Bushkid

    Ben Garrison says it for me today, thanks Tom.

    Zanetti a very close second, of course.

  190. Brian

    Re the new private case against Gillard, one of the keys are sworn affidavits by key individuals that Gillard presented fraudulent documents to the Royal Commission. In other words Dyson’s conclusion will not count as they were the result of poisoned information.

  191. cohenite

    Royal commissioner Dyson Heydon found in his interim ­report that Ms Gillard committed no wrongdoing legally, and did not recommend her for prosecution. Mr Heydon did, however, ­agree some money from $400,000 accumulated in the slush fund was used by Mr Wilson for renovations on Ms Gillard’s house.

    If she sticks to her story, she has a pretty good grounds to have the thing dismissed.

    Why the slapper should be prosecuted:

    http://onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=14428

  192. mh

    m0nty
    #2857693, posted on November 6, 2018 at 8:14 am
    Sinc, where is the midterms thread?

    Steve Kates

  193. .

    Please post your top six-eight horses for the cup. I’m thinking of a low risk, high return boxed trifecta.

  194. Notafan

    And of course publishers exist to make a profit and rubbish published because minority is not going to be purchased,

    Though it is pretty obvious that whoever picks high school reading lists bend over backwards to include trash because oppressed minority.

    Only in the Anglosphere do we see this demand for grovelling at the foot of multiculti, and the enthusiastic acquiescence by those progressives who love everything but their own heritage

    whatever you might say about the Chinese at home they would laugh in their faces.

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    hahaha – if we took Bibi in our own ‘moderate’ Muzzies would likely show their true colours, because howls of protests from local Imans would be loud and unpleasant. Come on Yammy and you other hypocrites skewered so well by Cassie’s beautifully savage post – welcome Bibi.

  196. .

    My Place is objectively the second worst book I was cajoled to read at high school.

    Nothing was worse than Persuasion.

    Nothing.

  197. Cassie of Sydney

    “moderate Muzzies “…oxymoron!

  198. Notafan

    privileged readers,

    Just wow

  199. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Please post your top six-eight horses for the cup

    We will discuss the form guide when purchasing tickets for the sweep, Dot, and not before.
    Until then, hats, dresses and jools rule. 🙂

  200. C.L.

    Ace names Trump’s biggest problem:

    However, Trump-supporting Republicans vote more like minorities or young people — they might vote, but most of them probably won’t.

    The whole thing: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/377952.php

  201. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Gotta go. Will discuss my winnings here on return. 🙂

  202. Snoopy

    I’m thinking of a low risk, high return boxed trifecta.

    I’m dreaming of a white Christmas. In Brisbane.

  203. C.L.

    I’m on Finche in the Cup.

  204. .

    Until then, hats, dresses and jools rule.

    Dear privileged readers…

  205. Hay Stockard

    Old School Conservative,
    Sorry I missed your post last night.
    I am more than pleased there are some big names fighting back against the ARU. The one thing that ruins Australian sport it is the administration. Why an old boys association of never do wells think they can run anything more than a chook raffle is the Kruger Dunning effect in action. And the screaming belters drive Volvos. Disgusting.

  206. Notafan

    At worst so far she could be struck off as a solicitor.

    She surrendered her practicing certificate when she was constructively dismissed by S&G.

    Nuff said

  207. Snoopy

    Remember when Rudd backed every horse just so he could wave his winning ticket around?

    #Winning

  208. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #2857794, posted on November 6, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Gotta go. Will discuss my winnings here on return. “

    Hope you win big darling Lizzie.

  209. Des Deskperson

    ‘The ABC and multicultural public broadcaster SBS have refused to disclose individual staff salaries, citing the Privacy Act.”

    What section of the Privacy Act FFS.

    It is in the public interest that all budget-funded public sector salaries, bonuses and other payments are made public. Traditionally, all public sector salaries have been openly available available, and the grunts at the ABC have their salaries published in the EA, their privacy obviously doesn’t matter.

    Apart from the public interest, I would have thought that was in the interest of internal ABC cohesion, efficiency and morale that all information on bonuses – who got what and why – be made available to staff. Employees need to know that there has been no patronage or favouritism in the awarding of bonuses and they also need role models of achievement and behaviour. Secrecy here is surely couter-productive.

  210. C.L.

    Trump’s big crowds don’t persuade me of anything, to be honest.
    Mitt Romney also pulled enormous crowds.

  211. .

    Romney also could have had the election stolen from him; Trump probably won the popular vote legitimately.

  212. Tom

    Please post your top six-eight horses for the cup. I’m thinking of a low risk, high return boxed trifecta.

    Bwahahahaha!

    (PS: successful punting is a God-given talent, like a good golf swing. My brother (who used to be a stable hand for racehorses) has it. I don’t.

  213. feelthebern

    Can Victorian Cats tell me what dirt Kimberley Kitching & Andrew Landeryou have on the ALP power brokers?
    I can find no other reason such a pair of morons get treated as ALP royalty.

  214. Snoopy

    I would have thought that was in the interest of internal ABC cohesion, efficiency and morale that all information on bonuses – who got what and why – be made available to staff.

    Surely it would be to the organisation’s advantage if less productive staff knew who to emulate?

  215. It’s still November 5 in the U.S.A m0nty.

    True, but a predictions thread should go up early.

  216. Top Ender

    More of government must do something…

    Public drunkenness and violence in Katherine has spiked dramatically since police withdrew a permanent presence at the town’s bottle shops, with residents reporting “brawling and blueing” on the streets.

  217. Nick:

    Ross should have used some of the offensive terms that the Chinese have for everyone apart from themselves. No one would have dared say a word.

    Perhaps “ungwailo” will fit the terminology due to its 1984 authoritarian viewpoint.

  218. Top Ender

    Re the Katherine story, they don’t like it, but seems police are the only effective measure here. (Short of stopping giving the “problem drinkers” free money…)

    The ABC spoke to a number of itinerant drinkers in Katherine, none of whom were comfortable providing their name.

    However, they said the banned drinker register had not affected their ability to purchase liquor.

    Instead, they said a police presence at bottle shops was the only measure that effectively limited their supply of alcohol, and the higher prices simply meant alcohol was often prioritised over food.

  219. stackja

    C.L.
    #2857807, posted on November 6, 2018 at 11:04 am
    Trump’s big crowds don’t persuade me of anything, to be honest.
    Mitt Romney also pulled enormous crowds.

    Dems always have the dead voting early and often.

  220. .

    higher prices simply meant alcohol was often prioritised over food.

    Excise tax, therefore, cannot be justified on health grounds.

  221. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Can Victorian Cats tell me what dirt Kimberley Kitching & Andrew Landeryou have on the ALP power brokers?

    I’d be interested in any information on the matter – didn’t Kitching get her bottom smacked by the Royal Commission?

  222. Hay Stockard

    Elle and Lizzie,
    I am a regular church goer in so far as every time I’m on a Pacific Island I will attend a service. The singing is fantastic. Otherwise it is just funerals. And then if I can’t dodge them.

  223. C.L.

    Good.

    LEGENDARY Adelaide sports commentator Bruce McAvaney will cover the race that stops the nation for the final time today.

    How easy is it to be “legendary” in Australia nowadays?

  224. Mother Lode

    hahaha – if we took Bibi in our own ‘moderate’ Muzzies would likely show their true colours, because howls of protests from local Imans would be loud and unpleasant

    You realise how much difficult it is for them to accept welfare money that has been polluted by the infidels that produce it?

    They are the people we truly should call ‘hero’ and ‘survivor’.

  225. Top Ender

    every time I’m on a Pacific Island I will attend a service.

    Last year on a trip to Rabaul and various PNG places the cruise liner stopped at an island, where passengers were invited to disembark and view a “service.”

    There was a warning it was “highly sexualised.”

    It certainly was. Left nothing much to the imagination. It looked like the dance was a sort of education for the young as to how to continue the species.

  226. Mindfree

    Cassie @ 8:21am

    Could not have put it better – brilliantly summed up

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