If it misleads, it leads

I wasn’t going to post on this, but then the front page of one of those typically left-wing financial journals, in this case our own AFR, has as a front page story: “Warlike” Trump banishes enemies” with a photo of the above event there as the evidence for all to see. So you will again have to realise, that anyone who depends on the media will be misinformed about the actual facts. So let us look more closely.

The above video begins with the exchange with the reporter from CNN. An incredible lack of respect for the President and of the office of the presidency. And the farther into the media conference you go, the more incredible the rudeness is. But the straightforward and undeniable fact is that the President answered the questions he was asked – two of them in fact from Jim Acosta – but the media were annoyed that the President defended his position without actually giving them anything to report negatively on. And Acosta does indeed hit the young girl on the arm when she reaches for the microphone.

Here for completeness are the two questions Acosta asked:

Why did you characterise it as an invasion?

Do you think you demonise immigrants?

He had his turn and so Trump turned to ask for other questions during a 90 minute press conference. And because of what Acosta did, he has now had his White House pass taken from him at least temporarily. This is the slow motion replay of Acosta hitting the arm of the intern as she reached for the mike.

When you hear this fake scandal discussed, it will only reinforce the fact that we are living in a media-induced news vacuum that can only be corrected through making an effort for yourself. So far as the President goes, the media rule in dealing with him is, “If it misleads, it leads”.

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86 Responses to If it misleads, it leads

  1. Seco

    Acosta is a joke. It should be to the rest of the press gallery’s shame that they haven’t disowned this clown.

  2. H B Bear

    When people are arguing about something you can clearly see with your own eyes we are way down the rabbit hole. Hard to see how this can end well.

  3. stackja

    HBB – Dems/MSM are in denial.

  4. Regardless of whether his treatment of the young woman was appropriate or not, Acostas contemptuous treatment of his fellow journalists, in hogging the microphone and the manner in which he did it, is reason enough to banish him.

  5. mh

    As Larry King said recently, CNN stopped doing news years ago.

  6. 2dogs

    Imagine the hullabaloo that would be raised if a conservative was as out of order with Snowcone on Q&A as Jim Acosta was in the white house press room.

  7. Mother Lode

    Acosta seems to believe that the press briefings are something they give the President, not vice versa, and therefore feel they can lay the ground rules, and the snares and traps for their quarry as they see fit.

    Enough of the press think this already, but CNN seems to be under the impression that if they act imperious enough, they will regain the glory days when they got away with it.

  8. RobK

    As ML said, the press are there at the behest of the president. If the President of the United States says hand over the mic, you hand over the mic. Show some respect to your country, twerp.

  9. Speedbox

    Acosta’s treatment of the Intern (who was just doing her job) in maintaining his grip on the microphone was very poor behavior in that he displayed absolute contempt for her by refusing to let go. His action to deflect her arm (using his) was not ‘hitting’ but it was a nasty ungentlemanly gesture to maintain grip on the microphone.

    Finally, his ‘talking over’ the President was just bloody rude and I thought Trump showed restraint in not asking security to remove Acosta immediately.

  10. Danoz

    At the next presser Trump or Sanders should say something the effect of: these are the rules of engagement from now on. If you are asked to give up the microphone and you do not, and particularly if any of the staff approaches you to take the microphone and you do not hand it to them, your credentials will be revoked and you will be summarily removed from the building.

    Seeing that accoster assaulting a young woman half his age who is just there doing her intern job, which is in part to stop the likes of him being a rude, bellicose fool is just terrible. Failing to show respect to someone who is just doing their customer service job is pathetic. But then going on to assault them? I shake my head in disbelief but it just shows how debased these self-proclaimed moral superiors of the left are. And imagine, there are people who support his behaviour; if not explicitly, then tacitly.
    Thank heavens I am not afflicted with this most grave of ills: leftism.

  11. RobK

    …with Snowcone on Q&A as Jim Acosta ….
    Hardly the President of the United States, but point taken.

  12. RobK

    assaulting a young woman half his age 
    I see the intern as an agent of the president. She was acting on his instruction. The behaviour was rude on a personal level to both the intern and the president. It showed a lack of respect and disipline to the office, which should rightly be acted upon. He got off lightly in my book and it’s good if the POTUS runs a tighter ship.

  13. FelixKruell

    The only person assaulting anyone there was the ‘intern’ – we teach our children not to snatch.

    As for rudeness, Acosta asks his questions politely. Trump obfuscated. Which is fine, his choice. Then tore into Acosta personally. He was the only person being rude.

  14. v_maet

    He touched her, it’s assault.
    Normally people would just let it slide but this is the rules the left want to push for so they have to play by them.

  15. Confused Old Misfit

    we teach our children not to snatch.

    “WE” are so full of virtue it shines out of our fundament!
    Angels and Ministers of Grace defend us! Acosta doesn’t ask questions. He’s there to instruct, to direct, to lead America on the path of righteousness in HIS name forever!

  16. Rossini

    How’s the kool aid Felix

  17. Tintarella di Luna

    She was Acosta-ed – what scoundrel.

  18. FelixKruell

    I see you live up to your name, Confused Old Misfit.

    See the transcript below, which shows Acosta asked his questions respectfully. Trump answered in part, then obfuscated. As I said, his choice.

    Acosta: I wanted to challenge you on one of the statements that you made in the tail end of the campaign in the midterms that …
    Trump: Here we go.
    Acosta: Well, I — if you don’t mind, Mr. President …
    Trump: Let’s go. Let’s go. Come on.
    Acosta: … that this caravan was an invasion. As you know, Mr. President …
    Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. And …
    Trump: Thank you for telling me that. I appreciate it.
    Acosta: … why did you characterize it as such?
    Trump: Because I consider it an invasion. You and I have a difference of opinion.
    Acosta: But do you think that you demonized immigrants in this election to try to keep …
    Trump: Not at all. No, not at all. I want them to come into the country, but they have to come in legally. You know, they have to come in, Jim, through a process. I want it to be a process. And I want people to come in. And we need the people here …
    Acosta: Right. But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on …
    Trump: Well, that’s true. … They weren’t actors.
    Acosta: They’re not going to be doing that.
    Trump: They weren’t actors. Well, no, it was true. Do you think they were actors? They weren’t actors. They didn’t come from Hollywood. … This was an actual — you know, it happened a few days ago and …
    Acosta: They’re hundreds of miles away, though. They’re hundreds and hundreds of miles away.
    Trump: You know what?
    Acosta: That’s not an invasion.
    Trump: I think you should — honestly — I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN. And if you did it well, your ratings would be much better.
    Acosta: But let me ask … if I may ask one other question …
    Trump: OK, that’s enough.

  19. 2dogs

    No, this was out of order:

    Acosta: Right. But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on …

  20. FelixKruell

    2dogs – was it incorrect?

  21. duncanm

    FelixKruell
    #2860257, posted on November 9, 2018 at 2:56 pm
    See the transcript below, which shows Acosta asked his questions respectfully. Trump answered in part, then obfuscated. As I said, his choice.

    Acosta: I wanted to challenge you

    up is down

  22. Harken Now

    Hark! In May 2017 we in Heaven were reading The Guardian, of which we approve, except for the sex bits, and noticed this:

    Fox News reporter Alicia Acuna, field producer Faith Mangan and photographer Keith Railey witnessed the incident at Gianforte’s campaign headquarters in Montana, according to an account published on the Fox News website. After Jacobs asked Gianforte his question, Acuna wrote: “Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him.

    “Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the man, as he moved on top the reporter and began yelling something to the effect of ‘I’m sick and tired of this!’ … To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff’s deputies.”

    Gianforte pleaded guilty to assault – no one imagined it.

    Fast forward to Oct 2018 and we heard Herr Trump getting big yucks at a rally by joking about it:

    Trump had praised Gianforte for assaulting a reporter during his campaign last May, saying “any guy who can do a body slam … he’s my guy” and made a gesture mimicking a body slam.
    At a Montana rally Thursday night, Trump admitted, “I shouldn’t say this,” but continued and said, “there’s nothing to be embarrassed about.”

    And then to yesterday, where the same gigglers at the story of an actual, real, criminal Republican punching up a reporter are saying they are distraught at the sight of a reporter’s wrist making brief contact with a young, grabby woman’s inner arm!

    We in Heaven can tell when outrage is faux, and hypocritical, and ridiculous. And here it is.

  23. Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. And …

    Female Accoster (his new name) thinks he can dictate what the President believes and knows. What a rude, arrogant, typical leftist, fascist piece of garbage Female Accoster is.

    Normally people would just let it slide but this is the rules the left want to push for so they have to play by them.

    Tommy Tooright. Alinksy the fuckers with their own rules. In fact as inventors and arbiters of their shitty rules they should be held to an even higher standard. Thus, adopting their rules and tactics; in the last few days we have learnt that Female Accoster brutally assaulted a female intern and Luke Foley viciously gang raped every female at the ABC and the survivors were silenced for years.
    There, that about fixes it.

  24. Mother Lode

    See the transcript below, which shows Acosta asked his questions respectfully.

    The transcript does not include the offensive act – the rough handling of the intern. Nor the tone. It glosses over the part where the person running the press conference tells him that he has answered his questions and he is going to go to someone else, and the instruction to the intern to take the White House’s microphone from the mouthy toe rag.

    Then there is this bit of respect:

    Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S.

    After Trump has said he considered it an invasion, Accosta declares that he knows it is no such thing. He is calling him a liar.

    (Makes you wander how he can declare them to be migrants before they have crossed the border, when he seems to insist they can’t be invaders until they have crossed the border. Is intent relevant or not?)

    Accosta was rude and wanted to change the press conference into a gotcha game. More people would rather hear what the President has to say than Accosta – other wise he should be doing his own shows or penning columns in the newspaper.

    Accosta was rude, aggressive, entitled, ignorant, intellectually compromised, and petulant.

    And Felix wants to bring up his drooling little urchins to be like him.

  25. Tom

    Acosta has his head so far up his arse he has no idea that, virtually singlehandedly, he has destroyed CNN’s credibility — and its business model. CNN’s ratings had already tanked; now they’ll go into a death-dive. CNN has become the embodiment of the US public’s distrust of the news media.

    The reason that the admonishing of “fake news” plays so well at Trump rallies is that it resonates with the public because it’s true. Eighty per cent of the US news media abandoned any pretence of being the public’s eyes and ears in 2016. Those who have stopped reporting the news to become an extension of the Democratic Party have no future. And they have zero awareness of what they have done to themselves and their future.

  26. rickw

    Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. And …

    Acosta is as dumb and as rude as monkey shit.

    For his physical treatment of the intern, Trump should have had security physically remove the fucker and banned him from future press conferences.

  27. Old School Conservative

    Hoisted on your own petard Felix.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S.
    …is not a question. It is a debating point from a partisan hack, or a Democrat operative.

  28. FelixKruell

    Duncan:

    Saying ‘I want to challenge you on a statement you made’ is perfectly respectful. Even if you’re a dainty snowflake.

  29. FelixKruell

    Motherload:

    Accosta was rude, aggressive, entitled, ignorant, intellectually compromised, and petulant.

    Acosta was a little full of himself at best. His job was to get the President to expand on why he thought it was an invasion. He half succeeded. And his questions were about the policy and Trump’s statements. Not about Trump himself.

    Trump on the other hand was actually rude. He made it personal, about Acosta.

  30. FelixKruell

    Old School:

    It was not a question because Trump cut him off. When he continued, he finished the statement with a question:

    As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S. And …… why did you characterize it as such?

    It’s a perfectly legitimate question. Something about half the population would want an answer to.

    And Trump’s answer was perfectly legitimate (even if it would have been nice if he’d given his reasoning):

    Trump: Because I consider it an invasion. You and I have a difference of opinion.

    Neither Acosta nor Trump were being rude in this part of the exchange.

  31. Dr Fred Lenin

    I aprove of acostas thuggish behaviour ,he is doing a great job in destroying the credibility of the communist media ,exposing them as ignorant biased indoctrinated scum ,most people now know the media is rotten with leftist fascist lies and rubbish. The death of newspapers cannot be far off ,and tv commentators not far behind . Self destruction is a strong habit of extremists and the ignorant ,long may it prosper. The great balanced journalists of the past who actually never went to university but learned their trade the hard way ,must be spinning in their graves at this filth .

  32. Tim Neilson

    In May 2017 we in Heaven were reading The Guardian,

    There’s your first mistake right there.
    As I understand it, the reporter was asked several times to leave Gianforte’s premises and refused to do so, and it was only after several such requests had been ignored that Gianforte body slammed him.
    In the circumstances Gianforte’s actions were justified.
    Conversely, refusing to hand over White House property (the microphone) when asked, and then chopping down on the arm of a White House employee attempting to retrieve it, should result in a jail sentence for Accoster.

  33. Tim Neilson

    Then there is this bit of respect:

    Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion. It’s a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S.

    After Trump has said he considered it an invasion, Accosta declares that he knows it is no such thing. He is calling him a liar.

    100% correct.
    Take your head out of your arse Felix.

  34. JohnA

    FelixKruell #2860292, posted on November 9, 2018, at 3:51 pm

    Duncan:

    Saying ‘I want to challenge you on a statement you made’ is perfectly respectful. Even if you’re a dainty snowflake.

    Except that you conveniently skip over the fact that the challenge was accepted and then beaten. Then the President chose to move to another question but the Acosta wanted to go further. He just plain lost it – as have you.

  35. TBH

    Reading that transcript I would say that Trump got testy with Acosta, but he also outlined his view on the matter quite articulately. The journo then started badgering him and wouldn’t take no for an answer, like some of them do. He got a deserved smackdown for mine and he was also out of order in brushing that young woman’s arm away when she was just doing her job. Keep your hands to yourself mate.

  36. FelixKruell

    JohnA:

    Except that you conveniently skip over the fact that the challenge was accepted and then beaten. Then the President chose to move to another question but the Acosta wanted to go further. He just plain lost it – as have you.

    Haven’t skipped over it at all – just responding to Duncan’s assertion that the use of the word ‘challenge’ is somehow rude in itself.

    Reporters always want to go further and ask another question. That’s not unusual. Trump’s reaction to it was.

  37. jupes

    This is the slow motion replay of Acosta hitting the arm of the intern as she reached for the mike.

    The appalling media have now made this into a fake #fakenews story. They say the clip was “doctored” by “conspiracy theorist” Paul Joseph Watson. Bollocks of course.

    You just know the ABC would be all over the fake #fakenews.

  38. Confused Old Misfit

    Acosta was a little full of himself at best.

    Come Felix! Crawl, grovel! You KNOW you want to!
    Contrition is good for the soul!

  39. Confused Old Misfit

    @JackPosobiec
    To be clear:

    The entire left claimed Lewandowski beat a woman, but is now claiming Acosta never touched any intern

    Let that sink in

  40. jupes

    Play the comparison video I’ve linked to above.

    There is fuck-all difference. The original still shows Acosta arm chopping the intern.

    What you are watching is the ABC making #fakenews in real time. Despicable.

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    Intern Accoster knows he’s a bully and he should apologise to the President and to the intern.

  42. Percy Popinjay

    Acosta to the President:

    “Fatty Trump, you incredibly evil Hitler like figure who has no redeeming features whatsoever, how are you able to take a break from endlessly butchering kittens and puppies with a golf club to demonise these poor saintly huddled masses fleeing the most evil of tyrannies and who are only seeking entry to this country to feast on its bounteous welfare benefits provided by those incredibly caring and compassionate legislators in the mighty Democratic Party?”

  43. Tom

    Reporters always want to go further and ask another question. That’s not unusual. Trump’s reaction to it was.

    Give us a spell, Felix. You haven’t a clue what’s “unusual”, especially for the current rabble of political activists who have disgraced the White House round since 2015.

    What IS unusual is how tolerant the White House has been of buffoons like Acosta. There is barely a handful of real reporters covering the round. Believe it or not, Acosta isn’t the worst of the loonies in that room. The number of frightbats trying to weaponise their vaginas against the alphamale president (and the White House media matriarch Sarah Sanders) is hilarious and tragic.

  44. Tom

    Reporters always want to go further and ask another question. That’s not unusual. Trump’s reaction to it was.

    Give us a spell, Felix. You haven’t a clue what’s “unusual”, especially for the current rabble of political activists who have disgraced the White House round since 2015.

    What IS unusual is how tolerant the White House has been of buffoons like Acosta. There is barely a handful of real reporters covering the round. Believe it or not, Acosta isn’t the worst of the loonies in that room. The number of frightbats trying to weaponise their p*****s against the alphamale president (and rage against the White House matriarch Sarah Sanders) is hilarious and tragic.

  45. Tom

    Stupid spastic spaminator.

  46. NuThink

    The caravan was not yet an invasion, but it was an invasion force as they stated that they wanted to get into the US of A. Trump said he wanted migrants but they had to come the legal way.

    How does Acosta know that the migrants were not going to be climbing over walls – either they were going to approach where there were no walls to climb over – or Acosta knew the plans of the migrants.

    Acosta: Right. But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on …
    Trump: Well, that’s true. … They weren’t actors.
    Acosta: They’re not going to be doing that.

    Correct Acosta, Hollywood actors were not going to be climbing over walls, they would just be virtue signalling from their walled compounds.

    Knowing a little of history, Operation Sea Lion was not an invasion but an invasion force preparing for an invasion. Trump seeks to prevent an invasion force becoming an invasion. The invasion force a.k.a migrants to CNN (Continuously No News) marching thousands of miles for a few weeks stroll.
    The main reason that Sea Lion Invasion Force did not become an invasion was the brave RAF pilots of the Battle of Britain .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Can you imagine if Churchill was told that Operation Sea Lion was not an invasion force but just a bunch of German migrants moving up to Britain.
    A rewrite by CNN.
    Operation Sea Lion was a group of German migrants moving to the beaches of Britain.

    BTW if someone is climbing over the wall to get into a Hollywood actor’s walled house are they migrants or trespassers, or burglars or both?
    They would set off a migrant alarm or a burglar alarm?

  47. Jumpnmcar

    That caravan mob is not even in Mexico legally.
    Trump should offer US military assistance to the Mexican Government for help in enforcing Mexican Law.

  48. NuThink

    Can anyone imagine the result if Churchill had listened to a CNN style reporter/interrogator regarding Operation Sea Lion.
    The wall needs to be complete else the “migrants” will do as Hitler did to the Maginot line and just go around it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

  49. J.H.

    LOL at Felix… I don’t need to read your Transcript mate… I watched the full exchange and Acosta was hogging the microphone, rude and had already had his quota of questions answered… He then caused a scene with the Microphone and pushed a young intern’s arm away who was only doing her job.

    We have our own eyes and ears Felix… Don’t need your Orwellian interpretation of Acosta’s rudeness and belligerence.

  50. 2dogs

    2dogs – was it incorrect?

    I believe the question at hand was whether it was respectful, not whether it was correct.

    If CNN wants to make that point, it has its own TV channel to do that on.

    It does not need to disrupt a press conference in which there are many journalists from many TV channels who all have questions they want to ask. Many of them have very real questions that the public wants Trump to answer, not just political pointscoring like Acosta was doing. Acosta had his turn, and he owed it to his fellow journalists to allow them to have theirs.

  51. Nob

    Zippy posted the full video yesterday.

    Trump answered the question and then some.
    As much as or more than you’ll get from any politician these days.

    The only bits I saw on any news media were edited to the bit where he was telling the reporter he’s had his turn.

    Like Bob Hawke used to do.

    The news made it look like he was refusing to answer, and totally left out the bit where he said,

    “I want them to come into the country, but they have to come in legally. You know, they have to come in, Jim, through a process. I want it to be a process. And I want people to come in. And we need the people here”

    I don’t mind reporters being combative with politicians but this was a pretty fair exchange up to that point and then the guy was just hogging the mike.

  52. bruce

    Good on you Steve. At least you continue to shine a light on the disgraceful behaviour of
    the media. Despite the trolling and attacks on you, you’ve stayed strong from day one. Always look foward to your contributions.

  53. Howard Hill

    jupes
    #2860331, posted on November 9, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    What you are watching is the ABC making #fakenews in real time. Despicable.

    Yep and why are we paying for these lies. We need to keep hammering this home!

  54. 1-) Acosta has history. Yelling out questions when not called upon has been regular with this selfish SoB

    2-) According to apologist Felix in the comments above, if someone was to slowly and gently slide an 8″ knife into his back, that’s not disrespectful at all because…..well coz it was all so gentle and polite.

    3-) None of these SoB’s behaved this way towards The Kenyan. But they were all over Bush W who didn’t do anywhere near as many pressers as Trump does. Now they’re all over Trump. They have been since day one.

    4-) There is a time and a place to debate. Presidential pressers are not debating platforms. You ask your fvcking question, he answers any way he fvcking pleases and you report on it and debate his answer as much as you like with your fellow Democrats with by-lines afterwards. YOU DON’T GET TO MAKE STATEMENTS of opinion.

    5-) If Trump is really “Herr Trump”, then letting him behave as himself would expose him. But operatives like Acosta know this not to be true, so they try to manufacture outrage and build a narrative. Current narrative is Trump is against press freedoms because he challenges them (which W never did) and calls Fake News the enemy of the people. They are. Trying to bring down the duly elected President, by definition, makes you the enemy of the people.

  55. mh

    I watched the whole thing today.

    Trump’s address to the media was interesting, making his case that the midterms were successful when put in the context of history. Trump also argued that there is a possibility that Washington will function better having Dems have the house, rather than Republicans having a very small majority which Trump argued would most likely lead to certain politicians “grandstanding”.
    When Trump took questions it was all very civil, then it was Jimbo’s turn. He went off on a tangent with an attempted ‘gotcha’ about the caravan. Trump answered him, but Acosta wouldn’t let it go. Very embarrassing.

    The question about ‘white nationalism’ was after Trump had answered questions for ages, and had said to the press gallery to stop once it was getting boring. But she was not representing big corporate media. If you watched everything, a fair minded person would only conclude that Jim Acosta soiled himself in public.

  56. Nob

    I doubt anyone anti-Trump will watch the whole thing, since the soundbites have already told them what they already think.

  57. mh

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JIM ACOSTA CONTROVERSY

    The media, with zero fact checking, launched a conspiracy claiming I “sped up” or “doctored” the Jim Acosta video in order to distract from Acosta’s behavior.
    This is false. I did not “doctor” or “speed up” anything. It was all a lie.
    Here’s what really happened….

    https://www.infowars.com/the-truth-about-the-jim-acosta-controversy/

  58. Felix Kruell

    2dogs:

    So you’re saying this was disrespectful?

    Acosta: Right. But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on …

    What kind of snowflake finds that disrespectful?

    The intern got grabby. And stopped Acosta ‘from just doing his job’.

  59. mh

    There was a Lebanese journalist who asked Trump of his opinion on Erdogan’s statement that he would defy US sanctions on Iran.

    Point being that there are serious professional journalists from around the world at these WH press conferences. It should never be about CNN the fake news network.

  60. Felix Kruell

    Baa humbug:

    2-) According to apologist Felix in the comments above, if someone was to slowly and gently slide an 8″ knife into his back, that’s not disrespectful at all because…..well coz it was all so gentle and polite.

    If you can’t see the difference between a question about a relevant topic asked in a normal voice (which politicians all around the world put up with every day), and being stabbed by a knife, I’m afraid you’re a lost cause.

  61. Louis

    What pissed me off and is annoying me more and more is that News.com.au run front page with all these fake stories.
    If that had been a fox reporter doing that to a female intern (let alone arguing with Barry) he would have lost his job before he even made it back to the office. I’ve watched Acosta for a while and he is proud of, and sees himself, as the voice of the opposition, not journalist but a leading member of the opposition. After each one of his stunts he goes on CNN and boast about it.

  62. Louis

    Felix you might want to watch the whole thing.

    The very first thing Jim Acosta says when he is given the microphone is “I just want to challenge you Mr President on what you said during the campaign about…”

    Not, could you tell us how/why/what/where or who.

    He made it very clear in his opening words that he was their to argue with the president not listen to answers to his questions.

  63. Muddy

    Just watched the clip, and I thought that the President was remarkably restrained. If I was in his position, I’d want a collection of tasers under the lecturn, and I’d ask them to step a little closer.

    Technically, the physical contact with the intern’s arm could be classed as assault, but I think it would be difficult to prove an intent to harm. The man needs to be kneed in the face a few times though, just to teach him respect and humility.

    No amount of whining about hypocrisy will change the behaviour of the parasitic media class however. They need to be played.

  64. Mark M

    I’m old enough to remember back to …

    … “Last Sept. 20, the president went on every Sunday news show – except Chris Wallace’s show on FOX.

    And on Thursday, the Treasury Department tried to exclude FOX News from pool coverage of interviews with a key official.

    What gives this dust-up special irony is that FOX News success comes in no small part from its ability to convince its viewers that the “mainstream” media are slanted to the left.

    Now, the White House is arguing that the network is not a real news organization at all, and that has brought some mainstream media voices to its defense.

    “If media is operating basically as a talk radio format, then that’s one thing, and if it’s operating as a news outlet, then that’s another,” Mr. Obama said.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obamas-feud-with-fox-news/

    The sound of tumble weeds tumbling …

  65. Felix Kruell

    Louis:

    Saying ‘I want you challenge your statement’ is pretty benign. Particularly given Trumps rhetoric around the press. I’ve seen worse of Lateline, and somehow our local politicians manage not to lose their shit.

  66. Nob

    Felix – I for one have no issue at reporters challenging the president.
    I wish they’d do this to Dan Andrews.

    He did ask questions, pretty much repeating media spin , for longer than other reporters there got, got direct answers addressing his question, didn’t have much success in getting the soundbite he wanted, and went on for too long in a roomful of media waiting a turn.

  67. Muddy

    somehow our local politicians manage not to lose their shit.

    Our local politicians struggle to come up with half a testicle between them.
    Cowards, buffoons, vermin.
    But enough about the voting public.

  68. mduni

    If you did this at Obama conference, goons would drag you out in 5 seconds flat, and your media ticket would be removed, and your employer would fire you.

    But against Trump… these guys will be getting pay rises.

  69. iain russell

    No thread on yet another Muslim-African atrocity in Melbourne? At least this time Danny Boy’s Keystone Kops shot the geitenneuquer dead.

  70. Felix Kruell

    Nob:

    Agree. A pretty minor transgression for a political reporter. And not worth the hate that’s being spewed here and elsewhere.

  71. Nob

    The hate is for the atrocious media distortion of this event.

  72. Oh come on

    I wanted to challenge you on one of the statements that you made in the tail end of the campaign in the midterms that …

    No, fuck you, Acosta. You don’t challenge, you question. Then you report. Then you let the public decide. That is your job.

    Acosta: Well, I — if you don’t mind, Mr. President …
    Trump: Let’s go. Let’s go. Come on.
    Acosta: … that this caravan was an invasion. As you know, Mr. President …
    Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion.

    “As you know”? So Acosta is a mind-reader now?

    Acosta is a joke who ought to be unemployable as a journalist. The fact that he isn’t – and is instead held up as a hero by most of his colleagues – just goes to show how corrupt and irredeemably rotten the MSM is.

  73. Mak Siccar

    Felix Kruell
    #2860663, posted on November 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    Scroll the Troll

  74. Zatara

    Technically, the physical contact with the intern’s arm could be classed as assault, but I think it would be difficult to prove an intent to harm.

    By Washington DC law General Assault is defined as the unwanted touching of another person. You don’t have to hit or even push them. Merely putting your hands on them can get you charged with this misdemeanor offense, punishable by up to 180 days in jail and $1,000 in fines.

    There is no need to prove an intent to harm. Accoster’s intentions make no difference, the victim’s perception of the situation does. If she presses charges Accoster would be hard pressed to defend himself in a DC court.

    One suspects CNN will be making a quiet cash offer to her.

  75. 2dogs

    So you’re saying this was disrespectful?

    Acosta: Right. But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on …

    What kind of snowflake finds that disrespectful?

    It’s disrepectful when it is an interruption and out of order, as it was in this case. He had already asked his question and was being given an answer. This was not a debate, it was a Q&A session. Others had questions to ask.

  76. The BigBlueCat

    I couldn’t believe it when I saw Jim Acosta basically berate the sitting President of the USA with statements rather than asking questions he wanted answers to. The press corp already knew the POTUS’ position on the immigrants. What the left find hard to understand is that sovereign nations have borders, and those borders need to be respected. Anyone with an asylum claim needs to be tested on their claim – pretty simple really; I mean if someone fronted up to my front door demanding entry, I’d want to know why and how they can justify such a demand.

    As a WH reporter, Acosta shouldn’t be making the news about himself. And he clearly fended off the intern who was only doing her job. He acted with hostility and intent. His WH credentials were revoked. Cry me a river, Jim. Suck it up CNN.

  77. Andre Lewis

    Its not just the US.

    The bias of many Australian media outlets, not just the ABC, is becoming more obvious by the day. However, the Channel 7 Brisbane 6pm news on Friday evening jumped the shark. Midway in the bulletin was a piece fronted by reporter Patrick Condren (ex ABC) using 3-day old footage of PM Morrison at a press conference in Queensland. He was being repeatedly asked by one reporter whether he was travelling to Townsville on the campaign bus or by plane. It was a to and fro exercise which the PM explained simply as he needed to get to Townsville earlier than the bus and some of his staff would.

    Condren had the footage childishly edited to show the PM getting both and off the bus in reverse with a commentary put together to try and show the PM was being dissembling or obtuse in his response to questions. It was spiteful hit piece founded purely on the reporter’s opinion and most certainly not factual or news. In Trump world this would have been labelled fake news and so it is

  78. Felix Kruell
    #2860568, posted on November 9, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    Baa humbug:

    2-) According to apologist Felix in the comments above, if someone was to slowly and gently slide an 8″ knife into his back, that’s not disrespectful at all because…..well coz it was all so gentle and polite.

    If you can’t see the difference between a question about a relevant topic asked in a normal voice (which politicians all around the world put up with every day), and being stabbed by a knife, I’m afraid you’re a lost cause.

    I considered you to be mentally challenged because you are being obstinate despite video and audio evidence. So I decided on an analogy strong enough to get through your thick head you dick head.

  79. If you can’t see the difference between a question about a relevant topic asked in a normal voice (which politicians all around the world put up with every day),

    Everything in context mate.
    Acosta has a rich history of yelling across rooms at the president, being rude and attempting gotchas at every opportunity (hence Trump’s “here we go” quip), and not just at domestic pressers. There are dozens of videos available, look them up.

    Being mentally challenged, you again fail to see the point. It doesn’t matter how polite you are or how normal your voice is. It’s the content of your question.
    Sometimes the polite digs are the most offensive. Hence my analogy of a polite stabbing.
    But you’ll fail to see this and or refuse to accept it. That’s what dick heads do.

  80. Felix Kruell

    Baa Humbug:

    What’s with all the ad hominem attacks? Are your arguments that weak you feel the need to lash out? Grow up.

    What part of the content of the question did you find disrespectful? He’s challenging the President on a policy point, reflecting the views of about half the population. Abbott got asked every other day why he didn’t accept that stopping the boats doesn’t work. Abbott always responded and gave his view (which was later vindicated). Abbott didn’t throw hissy fits or try and have microphones wrestled away from the journalist asking the question.

  81. 2dogs

    What part of the content of the question did you find disrespectful?

    It isn’t about the content.

    He had his turn, and others were entitled to have theirs.

  82. Felix Kruell

    2dogs:

    Fair enough. But it’s not the others who got upset. It was Trump. Not usually one to care whether everyone gets their turn.

  83. Tator

    Trumps next move, find a female USMC combat vet badass willing to work at the White House and have her do the microphone duties with instructions to put any reporter who tries to manhandle her the same way fair and squarely on his arse. Would have the leftards in a total head spin having a true warrior take down a keyboard one.

  84. Kneel

    “Trump: I consider it to be an invasion.
    Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion.”

    Well Mr Acosta, it matters not what the President thinks or knows it to be, it matters instead what he publicly deems it to be. And there is the President, publicly stating he deems it to be an invasion. Right or wrong, that is the stated public opinion of the President of the USA. And that is what will drive any response to what follows.
    So, it is now fair to say that this group is, or should be, aware that should they seek to cross the border, they will be treated as enemy combatants.
    If they still chose to make the attempt, and they get shot at, bombed, gassed, water cannoned, whatever, they have only themselves to blame. I guarantee no Yellow Stream Media outlet in the USA or here in Oz will take such a stand – they will all, to the last one, lament the supposed misdeeds of Trump.

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